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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mummy's twice daily news podcast.

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Speaker 2: The Quickie Australia is focusing a dangerous moment as extremists

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Speaker 2: voices push anti social behaviors from the fringe to the

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Speaker 2: front page. This week it's sovereign citizens and neo Nazis

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Speaker 3: But are these really just the vocal minority or.

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Speaker 2: Signs of a larger uptick in radicalization. Will break down

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Speaker 2: what's behind their rise and what's changing in our communities. Plus,

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Speaker 2: some bad news climate change and something called botanical sexism.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do promise that is a real thing.

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Speaker 3: A little bit worse before you get there.

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Speaker 2: He is Claim Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI

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Speaker 2: news room for Thursday, September.

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Speaker 1: Four, Thanks Taylor. Police believe accused gunman Desi Freeman is

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Speaker 1: still alive and that they possibly know where he's hiding.

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Speaker 1: Freeman remains at large in Victoria's high Country after allegedly

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Speaker 1: gunning down Senior Constable Vadim de wart hot Ut and

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Speaker 1: leading Senior Constable Neil Thompson on August twenty six. There

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Speaker 1: year old since he fled into Denz Bushland near his

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Speaker 1: Poor Punker property, where officers were serving a search warrant.

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Speaker 1: Victoria Police Chief Mike Bush yesterday called for Freeman to

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Speaker 1: hand himself in and that the end to this what

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Speaker 4: I do appeal for the person responsible to hand themselves

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Speaker 1: More than one hundred properties in the Alpine area, around

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Speaker 1: three hundred kilometers northeast of Melbourne, have been searched. The

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Speaker 1: Housing affordability has dropped to a twenty year low, but

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Speaker 1: But despite the challenging conditions, more first home buyers are

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Speaker 1: that killed The Friends star. Jasvin Sanger pleaded guilty to

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Speaker 1: The medical examiner ruled that ketamine, typically used as a

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Speaker 1: impacts of US President Donald Trump's policies on the region.

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Speaker 1: Authorities in Florida have announced that they're working to become

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Speaker 1: she said, having to tiptoe around him. She explained that

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Speaker 1: her book, saying, the truth is that the opinions are

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Speaker 3: Thanks Claire.

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Speaker 2: Next, what's pushing this rise of extremist groups? Almost a

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Speaker 2: week on from anti immigration marches across Australia, we're still

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Speaker 5: We're talking about the immigration marchers. It's important nonstance a

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Speaker 5: But then there are many other actors and a wide

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Speaker 5: we're seeing a particular uptick in their activities and critically

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Speaker 2: The hijacked these anti immigration rallies, waving extremists flags and

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Speaker 2: thousand signatures just hours after being posted online. As Josh says,

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Speaker 2: the difference between extremism and violent extremism is an important one.

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Speaker 5: In any democracy. Extremism is a part and parcel or

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Speaker 5: political discourse, even if we vehemently oppose it, it's not

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Speaker 5: necessarily illegal, and so hatefield speech absolutely is. And they're

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Speaker 5: breaking serious laws or anything like. That's extremism. And on

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Speaker 5: the flip side, extremism can be a positive for democracy.

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Speaker 5: Arguing radical human rights clauses in the sixties and seventies,

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Speaker 5: did they unmask, but they arm themselves and they stormed

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Speaker 5: legality right through to public violence, public dispace of violence.

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Speaker 5: And that is deeply concerning.

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Speaker 2: So are these people are growing majority or still just

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Speaker 2: He put it down to many factors sparking the uptick

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Speaker 2: economic challenges, the cost of living crisis, other recent global events,

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Speaker 2: We've not seen an uptick like this in a long time,

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Speaker 5: There is a little of desperation out there for people,

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Speaker 5: got to take that seriously and do more. It's certainly

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Speaker 5: on an upward pattern the trajectory at the moment. We're

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Speaker 5: seeing more and I mean the violence from the Sovereign

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Speaker 5: we haven't seen that before. Hybrid extremisms. We're seeing younger

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Speaker 5: political protests and movements as well. You know, there is

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Speaker 5: certainly an increase, and I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 2: Another story bubbling away is that of the manhunt, now

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Speaker 2: in its tenth day, for a man who allegedly shot

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Speaker 2: dead two police officers in the.

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Speaker 3: Regional Victorian town of Poorpunker. Desi.

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Speaker 2: Freeman is accused of shooting dead detective Leading Senior Constable

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Speaker 2: They were serving a warrant in the state's Alpine region.

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Speaker 2: DESI is also accused of injuring a third officer. Freeman

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Speaker 2: identifies as a sovereign citizen, but what does that actually

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Speaker 2: mean and why? Are their concerns over the growing attraction

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Speaker 2: by from tax resistance, micronation creation, and anti government protest.

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Speaker 2: Sovereign citizens believe the government is fundamentally illegitimate.

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Speaker 2: Examples of this include often refusing to pay taxes, get

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Speaker 2: the movement simmered on the fringe for years, but the

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Speaker 3: Now today, solve CITs aren't just loners.

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Speaker 2: They're highly networked, using encrypted messaging, organizing rallies, overlapping with

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Speaker 3: Is your nose running and are your eyes itchin?

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Speaker 2: Hay fever season has officially landed, and I'm sorry to

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Speaker 2: blast out heaps more pollen, making it a sneezy nightmare

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. In case you missed it, we're celebrating Women's

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Speaker 2: Health Week with our mates over on the Well podcast.

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Speaker 2: Here's Clare Murphy with another women's health act.

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Speaker 1: If you want to identify with someone who has ADHD,

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Speaker 1: think about the week before your period, when you believe

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Speaker 1: with your entire being that all your friends actually hate you,

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Speaker 1: even though nothing has happened to make that true. Those

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Speaker 1: with ADHD can often suffer from something called rejection sensitive dysphoria,

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Speaker 1: which means you feel intense emotions from either very real

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Speaker 1: or even perceived rejection, criticism, or failure. With more women

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Speaker 1: being diagnosed later with ADHD here in Australia. Spare thought

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Speaker 1: for your friend who may be feeling like they're alone

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Speaker 1: in the world, but really it's their ADHD telling them that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire, I've popped a link to check out well

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Speaker 2: in our show notes if you want to hear more

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Speaker 2: from Claire and her brilliant co host, doctor Mariam. The

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Speaker 2: Quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy,

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Speaker 2: with audio production by Lou Hill.