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Speaker 1: And this week's brutally honest review is on the new

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Speaker 1: it's a documentary about Alexandra Cooper, the most successful female

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Speaker 1: public figures, and I've been looking at the different podcast

433
00:19:46,544 --> 00:19:50,544
Speaker 1: host feeds and tiktoks recently and apparently there's a lot

434
00:19:50,544 --> 00:19:53,264
Speaker 1: more to the kind of Alex Cooper's story than we

435
00:19:53,344 --> 00:19:54,464
Speaker 1: see in the documentary.

436
00:19:56,504 --> 00:19:59,144
Speaker 4: So Alex came to Alex Cooper came to the Barstool

437
00:19:59,144 --> 00:20:02,264
Speaker 4: office like a year ago. She was filming her documentary

438
00:20:02,624 --> 00:20:04,384
Speaker 4: that I think is like on the verge of coming out,

439
00:20:05,464 --> 00:20:07,744
Speaker 4: and it was very like, you know, Alex has gone

440
00:20:07,784 --> 00:20:10,824
Speaker 4: on to become this like superstar, but never really like

441
00:20:11,264 --> 00:20:13,944
Speaker 4: she's been kind about Dave and Barstool, but it was

442
00:20:13,984 --> 00:20:16,544
Speaker 4: not like she was like I came from barstool or

443
00:20:16,584 --> 00:20:18,864
Speaker 4: you know, bar school proud, right, And when she came

444
00:20:18,864 --> 00:20:21,864
Speaker 4: back in, it was like with the cameras and everything,

445
00:20:21,864 --> 00:20:22,624
Speaker 4: it was very like.

446
00:20:22,944 --> 00:20:24,264
Speaker 2: I'm home, I'm back.

447
00:20:25,064 --> 00:20:27,424
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people were like, uh,

448
00:20:27,544 --> 00:20:28,824
Speaker 4: you do never even like talk to me when you

449
00:20:28,824 --> 00:20:30,904
Speaker 4: were here, you know. But I ended up I don't

450
00:20:30,904 --> 00:20:32,184
Speaker 4: know if it's gonna make it at all, but I

451
00:20:32,224 --> 00:20:35,264
Speaker 4: did like it. They interviewed me for the documentary and

452
00:20:36,184 --> 00:20:38,624
Speaker 4: they were kind of going an angle like almost like

453
00:20:38,624 --> 00:20:40,824
Speaker 4: a feminist angle where it was hard for her to

454
00:20:40,864 --> 00:20:43,184
Speaker 4: be like a girl at barstool, right, And I was like, no,

455
00:20:43,584 --> 00:20:47,504
Speaker 4: not at all, Like she clearly thrived, like nothing was hard,

456
00:20:47,544 --> 00:20:49,024
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And they were like, but

457
00:20:49,024 --> 00:20:51,184
Speaker 4: but it was different, and you know, they were hammering that.

458
00:20:51,264 --> 00:20:53,024
Speaker 4: So I'm a little bit nervous if that comes out,

459
00:20:53,024 --> 00:20:55,424
Speaker 4: like how that's gonna, uh, you know, appear.

460
00:20:55,584 --> 00:20:58,344
Speaker 2: But but that was talk to the other women at barstool.

461
00:20:58,904 --> 00:21:01,064
Speaker 3: Now safe to say that did not make it in

462
00:21:01,104 --> 00:21:02,864
Speaker 3: the spoiler alert.

463
00:21:02,944 --> 00:21:04,584
Speaker 1: That did not make it into the documentary.

464
00:21:04,744 --> 00:21:07,624
Speaker 2: That's so fascinating. So who was that guy.

465
00:21:07,664 --> 00:21:09,744
Speaker 1: One of the hosts from Barstool Spot. Oh okay, so

466
00:21:09,824 --> 00:21:12,304
Speaker 1: I should say I don't know if that's the big

467
00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:16,384
Speaker 1: kind of gotcha moment that he thought it was when

468
00:21:16,384 --> 00:21:19,184
Speaker 1: he shared that, I think in a way it's obviously

469
00:21:19,264 --> 00:21:23,024
Speaker 1: watching the documentary, it really is painting Alex Cooper as

470
00:21:23,024 --> 00:21:26,024
Speaker 1: this like feminist hero, which to be fair, she is

471
00:21:26,024 --> 00:21:27,664
Speaker 1: in many respects, and we'll get to that when we

472
00:21:27,664 --> 00:21:30,704
Speaker 1: talk about her live tour, but kind of painting her

473
00:21:30,704 --> 00:21:33,024
Speaker 1: as this like underdog with this like beloved part of

474
00:21:33,104 --> 00:21:36,384
Speaker 1: Barstool Sports and like you know, and and the fact

475
00:21:36,424 --> 00:21:39,224
Speaker 1: that she found it really difficult there being a woman.

476
00:21:39,864 --> 00:21:42,744
Speaker 1: And I actually do believe that's probably true. I reckon,

477
00:21:42,944 --> 00:21:45,304
Speaker 1: I don't think this man saying no, she didn't have

478
00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:47,664
Speaker 1: a hard time because she was successful. I'm sure like

479
00:21:47,744 --> 00:21:49,344
Speaker 1: being in an office full of men who were making

480
00:21:49,384 --> 00:21:52,584
Speaker 1: like Broie podcasts was difficult, and we've like.

481
00:21:52,664 --> 00:21:56,824
Speaker 3: Walked into offices of just men and sorry but like

482
00:21:57,624 --> 00:21:59,704
Speaker 3: you all kind of blur into one, like I'm not

483
00:21:59,784 --> 00:22:03,584
Speaker 3: like individually signaling each one of you out. But like

484
00:22:03,624 --> 00:22:06,544
Speaker 3: I think, I think what's funny is when he said,

485
00:22:06,544 --> 00:22:07,504
Speaker 3: like you didn't even talk to.

486
00:22:07,464 --> 00:22:08,464
Speaker 1: Me when I was here.

487
00:22:09,784 --> 00:22:12,424
Speaker 3: I think that funny because also like I wouldn't have

488
00:22:12,544 --> 00:22:13,504
Speaker 3: either neither.

489
00:22:14,784 --> 00:22:17,424
Speaker 1: I was making a documentary about how successful I was.

490
00:22:17,744 --> 00:22:19,064
Speaker 1: I would have walked back in the office.

491
00:22:19,104 --> 00:22:19,304
Speaker 4: Hey.

492
00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:25,504
Speaker 2: Friends, it's very mindical, it's very the mind project.

493
00:22:25,584 --> 00:22:25,784
Speaker 4: Yeah.

494
00:22:25,824 --> 00:22:27,864
Speaker 1: In this moment, Alex Cooper is a caricature, and I

495
00:22:27,904 --> 00:22:31,584
Speaker 1: love her because she's just like and she's successful enough

496
00:22:31,624 --> 00:22:32,224
Speaker 1: to pull it off.

497
00:22:32,304 --> 00:22:33,744
Speaker 3: And it's like an act that she has to do

498
00:22:33,864 --> 00:22:35,744
Speaker 3: for the documentary. And we saw it in the scene

499
00:22:35,744 --> 00:22:38,184
Speaker 3: when she goes back to her first apartment that she

500
00:22:38,224 --> 00:22:40,504
Speaker 3: lived in with the fear and she meets those like

501
00:22:40,544 --> 00:22:42,824
Speaker 3: that bunch of girls who lives in her old apartment,

502
00:22:42,864 --> 00:22:45,544
Speaker 3: and she like reacted in a way no normal person

503
00:22:45,544 --> 00:22:47,424
Speaker 3: would react it, and even to the point where the.

504
00:22:47,424 --> 00:22:50,784
Speaker 2: Girls were like whoa. She was crying and she was.

505
00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:53,304
Speaker 3: Like, I love what you've done with this place. No,

506
00:22:53,504 --> 00:22:55,184
Speaker 3: you guys, can I please come in? I need to

507
00:22:55,184 --> 00:22:57,264
Speaker 3: see this place And they were like okay, sorry.

508
00:22:56,984 --> 00:23:00,344
Speaker 1: Messy, which I had such secondhand stress with them, because

509
00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:03,944
Speaker 1: my worst fear is a random stranger with a camera

510
00:23:04,024 --> 00:23:06,504
Speaker 1: crew turning into your apartment when you're living in a

511
00:23:06,544 --> 00:23:11,104
Speaker 1: twenties share apartment and it is just a rubbish heap, and.

512
00:23:11,544 --> 00:23:14,144
Speaker 3: Like she just like opens doors and walks into their

513
00:23:14,144 --> 00:23:15,464
Speaker 3: bed taking photos.

514
00:23:16,024 --> 00:23:17,344
Speaker 2: She had my vibrated.

515
00:23:18,824 --> 00:23:20,304
Speaker 1: No, but I understand because she was trying to be

516
00:23:20,344 --> 00:23:22,384
Speaker 1: like this is where I started call her daddy, Like

517
00:23:22,464 --> 00:23:24,584
Speaker 1: this is where I recorded the first episode. I sat here,

518
00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:25,904
Speaker 1: I did this, I did that, and.

519
00:23:25,864 --> 00:23:27,624
Speaker 2: They were like, okay, can we get a photo?

520
00:23:28,384 --> 00:23:31,144
Speaker 1: The funny. I mean, I was half like really emotional

521
00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:33,024
Speaker 1: for her because I think having those moments where you

522
00:23:33,024 --> 00:23:34,464
Speaker 1: go back to something you began, you think of how

523
00:23:34,504 --> 00:23:37,184
Speaker 1: far you've calmed on what's happened, and like the hope

524
00:23:37,184 --> 00:23:39,544
Speaker 1: you had setting up the podcast, and I understand they'd

525
00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:42,544
Speaker 1: be really emotional. But also these poor girls were just like,

526
00:23:43,064 --> 00:23:45,944
Speaker 1: you know, completely different, like wavelengths because she's like there's

527
00:23:46,064 --> 00:23:48,824
Speaker 1: magic in these walls and they're just like nodding as

528
00:23:49,024 --> 00:23:51,184
Speaker 1: you can just be like they're like we can't afeel, like.

529
00:23:51,104 --> 00:23:53,544
Speaker 2: We can't pay our dentist, bit we're dying.

530
00:23:56,784 --> 00:23:58,744
Speaker 1: Statistically, things aren't gonna get me.

531
00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:06,504
Speaker 3: Better, Like you're so luckier in this shitty part because

532
00:24:06,544 --> 00:24:07,384
Speaker 3: great things happened.

533
00:24:07,504 --> 00:24:09,504
Speaker 1: She's like touching the walls like there's magic in these

534
00:24:09,504 --> 00:24:11,144
Speaker 1: walls and the wall like all the part.

535
00:24:11,184 --> 00:24:12,944
Speaker 2: Also like it was just her to be a living

536
00:24:12,944 --> 00:24:15,944
Speaker 2: then I'm pretty sure they're like, fine, girl, she went

537
00:24:16,064 --> 00:24:17,904
Speaker 2: back to that apartment.

538
00:24:19,864 --> 00:24:22,544
Speaker 1: Situation. They're like they're like, yeah, we're all sleeping on

539
00:24:22,584 --> 00:24:25,784
Speaker 1: the floor of this one bedroom apartment. But still magic

540
00:24:27,144 --> 00:24:31,304
Speaker 1: to be successful, to be successful. So yeah, that part

541
00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:33,544
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, the Sophia Franklin of it all, it

542
00:24:33,704 --> 00:24:36,904
Speaker 1: was super interesting, glossed over, skated over. But I do

543
00:24:37,024 --> 00:24:40,104
Speaker 1: understand why because she's spoken about that so much before.

544
00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:42,824
Speaker 1: It's been such a defining part of her story, and

545
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:45,584
Speaker 1: this documentary was really highlighting her as more of like

546
00:24:45,904 --> 00:24:48,864
Speaker 1: a successful business woman and a feminist icon. And a

547
00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:51,344
Speaker 1: lot of that was tied to the Unwell Tool, which

548
00:24:51,344 --> 00:24:53,744
Speaker 1: we got like a really behind the scenes look at

549
00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,144
Speaker 1: what did you think of that? I do wish I

550
00:24:55,144 --> 00:24:56,504
Speaker 1: had been able to go watching it.

551
00:24:57,704 --> 00:25:02,544
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually quite impressed by how big it

552
00:25:02,744 --> 00:25:05,224
Speaker 3: was because I didn't hear much about the tool, Like

553
00:25:05,264 --> 00:25:07,504
Speaker 3: I remember when the tickets went on sale because that

554
00:25:07,624 --> 00:25:09,784
Speaker 3: was everywhere. It was the first ever time she did

555
00:25:10,464 --> 00:25:12,304
Speaker 3: live tour, was the first time she did like a

556
00:25:12,384 --> 00:25:14,904
Speaker 3: kind of stage production, and she's never done one before,

557
00:25:15,224 --> 00:25:17,664
Speaker 3: and when I looked at the archival footage of the

558
00:25:17,704 --> 00:25:20,504
Speaker 3: actual tour, I was like, Oh, she's taken it to

559
00:25:20,584 --> 00:25:23,864
Speaker 3: a whole new level. Like we both attended live podcasts,

560
00:25:23,864 --> 00:25:26,944
Speaker 3: events and stuff, and usually it will be like a

561
00:25:26,984 --> 00:25:29,304
Speaker 3: live podcast on a stage where you're just like watching

562
00:25:29,304 --> 00:25:32,584
Speaker 3: people talking on a stage, and this was a performance.

563
00:25:32,864 --> 00:25:35,944
Speaker 1: It was the best bit watching the just the video

564
00:25:35,944 --> 00:25:37,984
Speaker 1: of it, how it looks like there's security.

565
00:25:37,544 --> 00:25:39,944
Speaker 3: Guards at the front of the stage and they just

566
00:25:39,984 --> 00:25:41,464
Speaker 3: felt like a magic mic moment.

567
00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:43,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all of these security guards stating the

568
00:25:43,224 --> 00:25:45,504
Speaker 1: front of stage well before she comes out, and they're

569
00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:46,904
Speaker 1: just looking there and they're looking like they're there to

570
00:25:46,944 --> 00:25:49,064
Speaker 1: stop anyone rushing the stage, and all of a sudden,

571
00:25:49,064 --> 00:25:51,184
Speaker 1: the music starts and they all start stripping because they're

572
00:25:51,184 --> 00:25:54,624
Speaker 1: part of the show. Security guards. Brilliant. Yeah, they really

573
00:25:54,664 --> 00:25:57,104
Speaker 1: went hard on the audience shots of that, and they

574
00:25:57,104 --> 00:25:59,384
Speaker 1: were doing vox pops at in front of the theater

575
00:25:59,424 --> 00:26:02,464
Speaker 1: before people went in, and you could tell they'd either

576
00:26:02,584 --> 00:26:06,464
Speaker 1: selected like a certain type of answer or they'd asked

577
00:26:06,464 --> 00:26:10,144
Speaker 1: a question that answer because pretty much every single woman

578
00:26:10,384 --> 00:26:12,944
Speaker 1: and there were hundreds and hundreds of women at every

579
00:26:13,024 --> 00:26:15,944
Speaker 1: show that were all sold out, people were lying the streets,

580
00:26:15,984 --> 00:26:18,464
Speaker 1: people were flying in, people flying in, they were traveling,

581
00:26:18,504 --> 00:26:20,384
Speaker 1: people were sobbing when she came out. She still got

582
00:26:20,424 --> 00:26:23,144
Speaker 1: footage people sobbing and screaming when she came out, and

583
00:26:23,184 --> 00:26:24,984
Speaker 1: like they were all being asked outside the theater, why

584
00:26:24,984 --> 00:26:26,704
Speaker 1: are you here? Why do you listen to call her daddy?

585
00:26:26,704 --> 00:26:28,824
Speaker 1: Why did you come to the unwel tour? And they're

586
00:26:28,824 --> 00:26:32,064
Speaker 1: all saying, it's all about empowerment, it's all about women

587
00:26:32,144 --> 00:26:34,544
Speaker 1: coming together, it's about women standing up for each other,

588
00:26:34,544 --> 00:26:36,464
Speaker 1: which I'm sure there's an element of that, but I

589
00:26:36,464 --> 00:26:39,064
Speaker 1: just thought that was very interesting to like really frame

590
00:26:39,104 --> 00:26:41,864
Speaker 1: it as like like it wasn't enough for anyone to say,

591
00:26:42,024 --> 00:26:44,184
Speaker 1: we're just here to see a podcaster that I love

592
00:26:44,344 --> 00:26:46,904
Speaker 1: who says wild things and talks about sex and it's

593
00:26:47,024 --> 00:26:49,544
Speaker 1: very entertaining. Yeah, and we're not just here to see

594
00:26:49,544 --> 00:26:53,464
Speaker 1: her show, like I'm here to make a political societal statement.

595
00:26:53,744 --> 00:26:54,024
Speaker 4: Yeah.

596
00:26:54,184 --> 00:26:57,784
Speaker 3: That's such a good pointing because when I was watching

597
00:26:58,304 --> 00:27:01,304
Speaker 3: like the footage of the live show, and I don't

598
00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:03,184
Speaker 3: mean to say like it looked like a brilliant show,

599
00:27:03,224 --> 00:27:04,504
Speaker 3: and I looked like you'd have so much money you

600
00:27:04,544 --> 00:27:07,104
Speaker 3: want to set like a party, but it was also

601
00:27:07,384 --> 00:27:08,784
Speaker 3: like deeply scripted.

602
00:27:09,104 --> 00:27:11,064
Speaker 2: Oh and everything from what I.

603
00:27:10,944 --> 00:27:13,384
Speaker 3: Saw from the footage of the live show was nothing new.

604
00:27:14,064 --> 00:27:17,744
Speaker 3: And the fact that she has an audience where like

605
00:27:17,944 --> 00:27:20,824
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of women can come to a production

606
00:27:20,984 --> 00:27:24,624
Speaker 3: like that and just watch her repeat things that they already.

607
00:27:24,384 --> 00:27:27,344
Speaker 2: Knew, like the gluckluck nine thousand and the.

608
00:27:27,504 --> 00:27:29,224
Speaker 1: Just her tell the people techniques.

609
00:27:29,264 --> 00:27:31,704
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a famous blowjob technique that I

610
00:27:31,784 --> 00:27:33,824
Speaker 3: listened to when I think I was like eighteen years old,

611
00:27:33,904 --> 00:27:36,664
Speaker 3: and I changed my life and the life of all

612
00:27:36,664 --> 00:27:37,424
Speaker 3: the men I've dated.

613
00:27:37,944 --> 00:27:39,784
Speaker 1: And I mean, that is exactly what women in the

614
00:27:39,824 --> 00:27:42,224
Speaker 1: audience were saying. So like maybe there was no setup.

615
00:27:42,224 --> 00:27:44,744
Speaker 1: Maybe that was exactly because what you said is exactly

616
00:27:44,744 --> 00:27:45,664
Speaker 1: what's in the documentary.

617
00:27:45,704 --> 00:27:48,264
Speaker 2: It's so funny. Maybe I am a you are her.

618
00:27:48,824 --> 00:27:51,024
Speaker 3: But what I found really interesting is that she could

619
00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:54,904
Speaker 3: just like repeat this information in a really slow, ted

620
00:27:54,984 --> 00:27:58,144
Speaker 3: talkie way and they were just lapping it up.

621
00:27:58,184 --> 00:28:02,424
Speaker 1: The behind the scenes is so interesting. So it takes

622
00:28:02,464 --> 00:28:05,024
Speaker 1: you a few days before the first show and they

623
00:28:05,104 --> 00:28:08,024
Speaker 1: in rehearsal and you see Alex on stage, and this

624
00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:09,784
Speaker 1: is I think where you start to realize just how

625
00:28:09,904 --> 00:28:12,824
Speaker 1: script it is because she's on stage and she's completely

626
00:28:12,864 --> 00:28:16,384
Speaker 1: memorizing her lines, and then she's in the rehearsal space,

627
00:28:16,464 --> 00:28:18,224
Speaker 1: and all of the producers and all the people who

628
00:28:18,304 --> 00:28:20,344
Speaker 1: have written the show worked on the show in the audience,

629
00:28:20,624 --> 00:28:24,424
Speaker 1: including her husband and business partner Matt Kaplan. We'll get

630
00:28:24,424 --> 00:28:29,304
Speaker 1: to him things about that is in the audience, and

631
00:28:29,384 --> 00:28:31,664
Speaker 1: Matt Caplan in particular, her husband is giving her a

632
00:28:31,664 --> 00:28:34,704
Speaker 1: lot of feedback of like slow down, pause there, lean

633
00:28:34,744 --> 00:28:36,264
Speaker 1: into this part of the story, say it like this,

634
00:28:36,384 --> 00:28:38,624
Speaker 1: like she is almost rehearsing a play on stage, and

635
00:28:38,664 --> 00:28:41,064
Speaker 1: then you see like the dancers come in for rehearsal,

636
00:28:41,144 --> 00:28:43,184
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. It's also revealed, which I

637
00:28:43,184 --> 00:28:45,344
Speaker 1: thought was quite cute and interesting, that her very best

638
00:28:45,344 --> 00:28:49,184
Speaker 1: friend from childhood, Lauren, who has been a big part

639
00:28:49,224 --> 00:28:51,904
Speaker 1: of the Caller Daddy universe since the early days of Sophia,

640
00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:54,184
Speaker 1: has always kind of like been in her stories. She

641
00:28:54,224 --> 00:28:56,664
Speaker 1: has come on the podcast many times. I feel like

642
00:28:56,664 --> 00:28:58,704
Speaker 1: I know so much about her story from being Alex

643
00:28:58,784 --> 00:29:01,904
Speaker 1: Cooper's childhood best friend. But all they've ever said is

644
00:29:01,944 --> 00:29:05,784
Speaker 1: like Lauren is like a psychology student and then they

645
00:29:06,064 --> 00:29:07,784
Speaker 1: grew up together. But that's all we've ever heard, and

646
00:29:07,824 --> 00:29:09,944
Speaker 1: then it was revealed on the documentary she's actually the

647
00:29:09,944 --> 00:29:12,864
Speaker 1: producer of Call Her Daddy, and they deliberately have kept

648
00:29:12,904 --> 00:29:15,584
Speaker 1: it a secret for a long time because they didn't

649
00:29:15,624 --> 00:29:18,384
Speaker 1: want Well, she actually says why they didn't say why.

650
00:29:18,784 --> 00:29:19,904
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you.

651
00:29:19,824 --> 00:29:20,984
Speaker 2: Because I was like, did they miss it?

652
00:29:21,304 --> 00:29:22,944
Speaker 1: No? No, No, I thought that too. I like paused

653
00:29:22,984 --> 00:29:24,704
Speaker 1: it and I was like, she's like, because Alex says

654
00:29:24,704 --> 00:29:27,184
Speaker 1: like Lauren is the producer of Call Her Daddy, She's

655
00:29:27,224 --> 00:29:28,784
Speaker 1: the head, she's the beating heart of it. And I

656
00:29:28,824 --> 00:29:31,584
Speaker 1: was like, wow, is that new. That's really interesting. You

657
00:29:31,584 --> 00:29:33,184
Speaker 1: guys have never seen that before. And then she goes,

658
00:29:33,304 --> 00:29:35,824
Speaker 1: we've deliberately never said this before. Yeah, and then it

659
00:29:35,864 --> 00:29:36,344
Speaker 1: just stops.

660
00:29:36,704 --> 00:29:40,064
Speaker 3: I think it's something to do with like the nepotism

661
00:29:40,184 --> 00:29:44,024
Speaker 3: aspect of the podcast, because she obviously has become and

662
00:29:44,144 --> 00:29:46,584
Speaker 3: she says it in the podcast, she's become this such

663
00:29:46,624 --> 00:29:49,264
Speaker 3: a big thing to almost like a list celebrity level.

664
00:29:49,264 --> 00:29:51,944
Speaker 1: Well, she comes out during the live show, yeah yeah,

665
00:29:51,984 --> 00:29:54,784
Speaker 1: and everyone knows her and loves her and cheers for

666
00:29:54,824 --> 00:29:58,104
Speaker 1: her Lauren, but now Alex is so so big that

667
00:29:58,184 --> 00:30:00,744
Speaker 1: which I'm sure every celebrity does only has a handful

668
00:30:00,784 --> 00:30:02,744
Speaker 1: of people who they can really trust and have close

669
00:30:02,824 --> 00:30:03,184
Speaker 1: to them.

670
00:30:03,744 --> 00:30:07,104
Speaker 3: And I think having Lauren there because she was such

671
00:30:07,104 --> 00:30:09,384
Speaker 3: a big part of the content of Call Her Daddy,

672
00:30:09,424 --> 00:30:11,664
Speaker 3: like going on dates and stuff like that, like providing

673
00:30:11,704 --> 00:30:14,384
Speaker 3: content that I think it might have been hard for

674
00:30:14,504 --> 00:30:17,624
Speaker 3: audience to take all of that in while also knowing

675
00:30:17,664 --> 00:30:19,104
Speaker 3: she's a producer on the show.

676
00:30:19,224 --> 00:30:21,304
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think maybe it was to really protect

677
00:30:21,344 --> 00:30:23,864
Speaker 1: the storytelling part of their friendship, which has become such

678
00:30:23,904 --> 00:30:25,144
Speaker 1: a big show part of the show.

679
00:30:25,304 --> 00:30:27,744
Speaker 3: And it would be immediately like if she announced Lauren,

680
00:30:27,864 --> 00:30:29,944
Speaker 3: everyone would be like, oh, Sophia's replacement.

681
00:30:30,064 --> 00:30:30,424
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

682
00:30:30,864 --> 00:30:32,464
Speaker 2: And the fact that Lauren.

683
00:30:32,224 --> 00:30:35,464
Speaker 3: Was there even from Sophia's days is also really interesting

684
00:30:35,504 --> 00:30:38,624
Speaker 3: to me because she hits Sophia's replexments.

685
00:30:38,984 --> 00:30:40,624
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's still ever be like

686
00:30:40,624 --> 00:30:42,464
Speaker 1: a co host or anything like that. She's very much

687
00:30:42,504 --> 00:30:45,024
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But yeah, I think it's interesting that

688
00:30:44,984 --> 00:30:47,704
Speaker 1: they're so aware of the perception of like friendship and

689
00:30:47,784 --> 00:30:50,464
Speaker 1: business and what their audience wants that they thought it

690
00:30:50,664 --> 00:30:52,344
Speaker 1: wasn't the right time to introduce that.

691
00:30:52,504 --> 00:30:52,704
Speaker 4: Yeah.

692
00:30:52,704 --> 00:30:55,224
Speaker 3: And also because it like that exact formula failed the

693
00:30:55,264 --> 00:30:57,744
Speaker 3: first time. Yeah, so they probably just want to keep

694
00:30:57,784 --> 00:30:58,544
Speaker 3: it chill.

695
00:30:58,784 --> 00:31:00,664
Speaker 1: Seeing only a reveal that only a few of us

696
00:31:00,744 --> 00:31:04,544
Speaker 1: cared about, like huge, Everyone's like, Okay, there's one part

697
00:31:04,584 --> 00:31:06,384
Speaker 1: of this, the behind the scenes tour, that I actually

698
00:31:06,384 --> 00:31:08,464
Speaker 1: didn't think they'd show, And I think it's really interesting

699
00:31:08,464 --> 00:31:10,704
Speaker 1: that they did. And I think it's probably only showing

700
00:31:10,784 --> 00:31:13,424
Speaker 1: us the side of Alex Cooper that they alluded to.

701
00:31:13,544 --> 00:31:15,504
Speaker 1: But I think it's probably like quite a big part

702
00:31:15,544 --> 00:31:19,904
Speaker 1: of her personality because if you watch her content and

703
00:31:19,944 --> 00:31:23,184
Speaker 1: you listen to her podcast, especially like her solo episodes,

704
00:31:23,584 --> 00:31:25,944
Speaker 1: which I actually think I like a lot of her

705
00:31:25,944 --> 00:31:27,264
Speaker 1: solo episodes better than me.

706
00:31:27,664 --> 00:31:30,224
Speaker 2: Show, it feels like the og call her dad.

707
00:31:30,224 --> 00:31:32,704
Speaker 1: That's a great storyteller. Yeah, I've listened to that girl

708
00:31:32,784 --> 00:31:34,544
Speaker 1: talk for an hour about a train trip. She went on.

709
00:31:34,904 --> 00:31:38,544
Speaker 1: Excellent content, top tier. So if she always paints herself

710
00:31:38,544 --> 00:31:40,224
Speaker 1: in a way of like and I wonder if this

711
00:31:40,304 --> 00:31:43,024
Speaker 1: is like an overflow from like Sophia branding her like

712
00:31:43,024 --> 00:31:44,544
Speaker 1: a devil to work with kind of thing in a

713
00:31:44,584 --> 00:31:48,144
Speaker 1: backstat but she always really brands herself as like easy.

714
00:31:47,864 --> 00:31:48,424
Speaker 2: To work with.

715
00:31:48,744 --> 00:31:50,944
Speaker 1: I do this, people hear this, but very much like

716
00:31:51,184 --> 00:31:54,064
Speaker 1: I do everything myself. But I'm really understanding. I'm easy

717
00:31:54,064 --> 00:31:56,024
Speaker 1: to work with, I'm a girl's girl, all these things,

718
00:31:56,024 --> 00:31:59,264
Speaker 1: which is which is also potentially all true. But then

719
00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:02,264
Speaker 1: when you see her in that moment, be like almost

720
00:32:02,264 --> 00:32:04,144
Speaker 1: like the star of the show. And what happens to

721
00:32:04,184 --> 00:32:05,904
Speaker 1: the star of the show, not the boss or the

722
00:32:05,904 --> 00:32:09,384
Speaker 1: creator when things go to shit pretty much because there's

723
00:32:09,424 --> 00:32:11,464
Speaker 1: a scene where it's a few days out from the

724
00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:13,184
Speaker 1: live show. They haven't been able to run it all

725
00:32:13,224 --> 00:32:15,904
Speaker 1: the way through yet, all the text breaking down, she

726
00:32:15,944 --> 00:32:18,424
Speaker 1: can't do a full rehearsal, no one knows what's going on,

727
00:32:18,504 --> 00:32:21,024
Speaker 1: but things are falling apart. Yeah, and you see her

728
00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:24,304
Speaker 1: sitting with her like little gang backstage away from like

729
00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,904
Speaker 1: the full time production stuff, and she just kind of

730
00:32:26,944 --> 00:32:29,224
Speaker 1: loses it a bit, which also fair enough at that

731
00:32:29,264 --> 00:32:32,744
Speaker 1: stage of the game, I would be screaming at people. Yeah,

732
00:32:32,744 --> 00:32:34,704
Speaker 1: like I hate that about myself, but I would have

733
00:32:34,744 --> 00:32:37,264
Speaker 1: lost it much earlier because you hear her saying like,

734
00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:39,584
Speaker 1: I have to be able to run this show once

735
00:32:39,664 --> 00:32:41,984
Speaker 1: at least before we go to stage. What is everyone doing?

736
00:32:41,984 --> 00:32:44,064
Speaker 1: Why is it broken? Why is it like this? And

737
00:32:44,104 --> 00:32:45,864
Speaker 1: that's just the side of her we haven't seen before.

738
00:32:46,064 --> 00:32:49,424
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then when her stage production manager.

739
00:32:49,784 --> 00:32:51,344
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what was Brad?

740
00:32:51,984 --> 00:32:52,504
Speaker 2: Wasn't Prad?

741
00:32:52,624 --> 00:32:57,104
Speaker 3: John John John John John, who is literally the person

742
00:32:57,144 --> 00:32:58,944
Speaker 3: which I'm like, surely there should be at least two

743
00:32:58,944 --> 00:33:01,784
Speaker 3: people doing this job. But he is like the stage

744
00:33:01,824 --> 00:33:05,104
Speaker 3: production manager, as in like he's the one that if

745
00:33:05,104 --> 00:33:07,504
Speaker 3: he's not there, the show can't go ahead. He's the

746
00:33:07,504 --> 00:33:09,784
Speaker 3: one who gives everyone their cues. He's like in charge

747
00:33:09,784 --> 00:33:12,584
Speaker 3: of like the lightning, the music, Like he's the one

748
00:33:12,624 --> 00:33:16,104
Speaker 3: on the microphone telling lights go, music go. Alex Goes

749
00:33:16,264 --> 00:33:19,704
Speaker 3: is keeping everything, keeping everything together on the timeline and

750
00:33:19,784 --> 00:33:24,704
Speaker 3: he has a burnout moment and he wants to quit again.

751
00:33:26,664 --> 00:33:28,984
Speaker 1: We are all we are all John in that moment,

752
00:33:29,144 --> 00:33:32,584
Speaker 1: and he wants to quit the day before I know

753
00:33:32,584 --> 00:33:35,024
Speaker 1: the show's going on the day and he's just like

754
00:33:36,744 --> 00:33:39,904
Speaker 1: again relatable. Actually, I just want to hold Jockey series

755
00:33:39,944 --> 00:33:41,744
Speaker 1: on John because I've never related to anyone so much.

756
00:33:41,864 --> 00:33:44,744
Speaker 3: The storyline for that was so funny to me because

757
00:33:44,744 --> 00:33:48,224
Speaker 3: it was obviously John is going through it, obviously, but

758
00:33:48,304 --> 00:33:52,264
Speaker 3: the way they made it like this dramatic storytelling.

759
00:33:51,504 --> 00:33:53,344
Speaker 1: I benefited Alex Coopery.

760
00:33:53,064 --> 00:33:56,904
Speaker 2: That Ben made her look so good.

761
00:33:56,984 --> 00:33:59,304
Speaker 3: If this happened to any other person, they'd end up

762
00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:01,544
Speaker 3: seeing of some company like it made.

763
00:34:01,424 --> 00:34:05,664
Speaker 2: Her look so good. So basically John is like telling people.

764
00:34:05,504 --> 00:34:07,584
Speaker 3: He's going to burn out, blah blah blah. Alex wasn't

765
00:34:07,584 --> 00:34:08,744
Speaker 3: here for the original conversation.

766
00:34:08,824 --> 00:34:10,744
Speaker 2: She's somewhere else. She's heard it through the grape.

767
00:34:10,904 --> 00:34:13,024
Speaker 1: She goes, it's such a funny things, like where's John.

768
00:34:13,024 --> 00:34:16,184
Speaker 1: They're like, but I'm sure he's here. They're like, and

769
00:34:16,224 --> 00:34:17,064
Speaker 1: she's like, no, but where is?

770
00:34:17,064 --> 00:34:18,144
Speaker 2: It turns into a horror movie.

771
00:34:18,144 --> 00:34:20,384
Speaker 1: She's like, where the fuck is Where's John? Where's John?

772
00:34:20,424 --> 00:34:23,064
Speaker 1: And then someone's like, so he's actually leaving and she's like,

773
00:34:23,144 --> 00:34:25,504
Speaker 1: just tell me, just tell me, And then she goes fine,

774
00:34:25,504 --> 00:34:26,464
Speaker 1: and she's like, I need to find Matt.

775
00:34:26,504 --> 00:34:27,984
Speaker 3: I need to find Matt because he's having like a

776
00:34:27,984 --> 00:34:30,744
Speaker 3: big boy talk. She finds John, he's having this big womaning.

777
00:34:30,824 --> 00:34:32,984
Speaker 3: She storms into the meetings. She's like, what's going on?

778
00:34:33,024 --> 00:34:35,224
Speaker 3: And they're trying not to tell her because I also think, also,

779
00:34:35,424 --> 00:34:37,904
Speaker 3: like you said, being the talent, like if I was

780
00:34:37,904 --> 00:34:40,784
Speaker 3: in that situation, I would also probably try not to

781
00:34:40,784 --> 00:34:43,344
Speaker 3: tell her because like she has to go on stage tomorrow.

782
00:34:43,504 --> 00:34:45,144
Speaker 1: They're trying to sort of keep her calms, yeah, and

783
00:34:45,224 --> 00:34:45,944
Speaker 1: fix the problem.

784
00:34:46,024 --> 00:34:47,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's like, I already know about John. What

785
00:34:47,824 --> 00:34:48,704
Speaker 2: do I do? What do I do?

786
00:34:48,784 --> 00:34:50,304
Speaker 3: And she's like should I talk to him? And they're like, yeah,

787
00:34:50,344 --> 00:34:52,384
Speaker 3: go talk to him? But it's felt like something that

788
00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:53,544
Speaker 3: you would tell a little kid.

789
00:34:54,064 --> 00:34:55,864
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, go try talk, Like would you

790
00:34:55,944 --> 00:34:58,304
Speaker 1: ever talk to John? And she's like yes, like and

791
00:34:58,424 --> 00:35:00,304
Speaker 1: also preferably before he leaves, and then.

792
00:35:00,184 --> 00:35:01,104
Speaker 2: She like talks to John.

793
00:35:01,144 --> 00:35:04,184
Speaker 3: She's like, no cameras, no cameras, but the camera's obviously there.

794
00:35:04,184 --> 00:35:06,584
Speaker 1: The cameras, Oh no, you can't see them. So it's

795
00:35:06,584 --> 00:35:09,304
Speaker 1: like John and alex a behind audio and they went.

796
00:35:09,184 --> 00:35:12,144
Speaker 2: To the camera. John, you actually went into a podcast studio.

797
00:35:13,864 --> 00:35:16,344
Speaker 1: It's all perfectly miked, but it's really what I was

798
00:35:16,384 --> 00:35:19,144
Speaker 1: coming around. And then she he's saying to her like

799
00:35:19,184 --> 00:35:21,264
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore, like I'm burnt it, I

800
00:35:21,304 --> 00:35:24,024
Speaker 1: can't do it. This place is basically saying, not only

801
00:35:24,064 --> 00:35:26,304
Speaker 1: am I stressed and busy and I can't do this,

802
00:35:26,304 --> 00:35:28,624
Speaker 1: this place is toxic and some stuff has happened, and

803
00:35:28,664 --> 00:35:31,224
Speaker 1: she's going to him, I'm so sorry, we need you.

804
00:35:31,304 --> 00:35:33,264
Speaker 1: What can we do? I didn't know this was happening.

805
00:35:33,264 --> 00:35:36,824
Speaker 1: If I'd known, I would have done something like really intense.

806
00:35:36,744 --> 00:35:39,944
Speaker 3: Really intense, And the whole thing was that like she

807
00:35:40,264 --> 00:35:42,464
Speaker 3: was saying I can't do this without you. I can't

808
00:35:42,504 --> 00:35:45,184
Speaker 3: do this without you, which I believe, which high one

809
00:35:45,224 --> 00:35:48,664
Speaker 3: hundred percent believe, but the way it said, it sounds

810
00:35:48,704 --> 00:35:50,584
Speaker 3: like that you are so important that we can't do

811
00:35:50,624 --> 00:35:51,504
Speaker 3: it without you, when it.

812
00:35:51,504 --> 00:35:52,984
Speaker 2: Was actually a literal statement.

813
00:35:53,264 --> 00:35:56,064
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was literally like like the actual show wouldn't

814
00:35:56,104 --> 00:35:56,944
Speaker 3: go on without you.

815
00:35:57,944 --> 00:35:59,144
Speaker 2: And I think it was just.

816
00:35:59,104 --> 00:36:00,944
Speaker 3: Like one of those moments and even like that little

817
00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:03,384
Speaker 3: bit at the end where he was like, Okay, I'll

818
00:36:03,384 --> 00:36:05,384
Speaker 3: continue doing it, like I'm going to continue working here,

819
00:36:05,904 --> 00:36:09,024
Speaker 3: and then someone like yells on stage, hey John, where's

820
00:36:09,064 --> 00:36:10,744
Speaker 3: the tape? And she's like, Nope, don't ask on, I'll

821
00:36:10,744 --> 00:36:11,024
Speaker 3: do it.

822
00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:13,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they basically want him to want him John

823
00:36:13,824 --> 00:36:16,024
Speaker 1: to like move furniture and she's like, don't ask John,

824
00:36:16,064 --> 00:36:17,984
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'm like, he watched his back and

825
00:36:18,064 --> 00:36:18,784
Speaker 1: that's not his name.

826
00:36:21,864 --> 00:36:26,944
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry John, he does Oh my god.

827
00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:30,424
Speaker 1: And I don't even care about today because next time

828
00:36:30,424 --> 00:36:32,944
Speaker 1: I'm in a tough situation, I'm gonna be like, what

829
00:36:32,944 --> 00:36:38,664
Speaker 1: would would John do? Exactly make a T shirt? I'm

830
00:36:38,664 --> 00:36:40,464
Speaker 1: gonna go cry in the cupboard and get upset, and

831
00:36:40,464 --> 00:36:41,864
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna come out and do my job, which

832
00:36:41,864 --> 00:36:42,784
Speaker 1: is what we do here. Everything.

833
00:36:42,864 --> 00:36:44,864
Speaker 3: We're going to tell everyone we're quitting the day before

834
00:36:44,904 --> 00:36:46,544
Speaker 3: and then come out and be like I'm going.

835
00:36:46,504 --> 00:36:48,464
Speaker 1: To stay a get meet every time the school gets

836
00:36:50,784 --> 00:36:52,544
Speaker 1: we see her come out on stage, and you see

837
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,824
Speaker 1: the tour and everything and that the tour is super successful,

838
00:36:55,104 --> 00:36:57,544
Speaker 1: very epic. And on the tour, she goes to Boston

839
00:36:57,944 --> 00:37:00,464
Speaker 1: and she goes back to Boston University, which was the

840
00:37:00,504 --> 00:37:03,624
Speaker 1: college she went to, and this is where a story

841
00:37:03,664 --> 00:37:06,984
Speaker 1: comes out, probably the only story that's in the documentary

842
00:37:07,024 --> 00:37:09,544
Speaker 1: that she's never told on her podcast before.

843
00:37:09,704 --> 00:37:12,904
Speaker 3: She went to university on a soccer scholarship because she

844
00:37:12,984 --> 00:37:16,864
Speaker 3: was a brilliant player all throughout childhood. She was like

845
00:37:16,904 --> 00:37:19,824
Speaker 3: representing the US in different countries. So she got this

846
00:37:20,064 --> 00:37:23,984
Speaker 3: massive scholarship, which is very rare to get for sport,

847
00:37:24,104 --> 00:37:26,384
Speaker 3: and she went to play on the soccer team for

848
00:37:26,504 --> 00:37:29,384
Speaker 3: Boston And what she really liked about she was saying

849
00:37:29,464 --> 00:37:31,904
Speaker 3: the soccer team was that the coach was a woman. Yes,

850
00:37:32,024 --> 00:37:34,344
Speaker 3: and she's had so much experience with different coaches, but

851
00:37:34,384 --> 00:37:36,904
Speaker 3: she's like, rarely worked with women, and she found that

852
00:37:37,024 --> 00:37:38,144
Speaker 3: really really exciting to do.

853
00:37:38,904 --> 00:37:41,704
Speaker 1: Yes. She alleges in the documentary that the coach of

854
00:37:41,704 --> 00:37:45,944
Speaker 1: her soccer team, this woman, sexually harassed her for years.

855
00:37:45,744 --> 00:37:49,784
Speaker 3: For years, to the point where Alex was calling up

856
00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:53,184
Speaker 3: her mom and telling her mom all the awful things

857
00:37:53,184 --> 00:37:55,544
Speaker 3: that were happening, the point that she didn't even want

858
00:37:55,544 --> 00:37:57,344
Speaker 3: to play anymore, that she was trying to avoid the

859
00:37:57,384 --> 00:38:00,224
Speaker 3: coach as much as possible. One of her teammates, who

860
00:38:00,304 --> 00:38:02,624
Speaker 3: was also really good friends with her, got kicked off

861
00:38:02,664 --> 00:38:05,464
Speaker 3: the team, and it was alleged that the coach told

862
00:38:05,504 --> 00:38:07,984
Speaker 3: Alex that this is what happens when you don't listen

863
00:38:08,024 --> 00:38:11,904
Speaker 3: to me, absolutely awful things. Then her parents, who I

864
00:38:11,904 --> 00:38:14,744
Speaker 3: think are like literally the best parents. Yeah, her mom

865
00:38:14,824 --> 00:38:17,384
Speaker 3: said that she wrote down every single thing Alex told

866
00:38:17,384 --> 00:38:19,104
Speaker 3: her every time she called her up crying, and she

867
00:38:19,184 --> 00:38:23,464
Speaker 3: had like this full book of notes, every allegation, every allegation.

868
00:38:23,944 --> 00:38:25,664
Speaker 2: And they went to I think it was.

869
00:38:25,904 --> 00:38:29,384
Speaker 1: The sporting director. They went to the hire you were

870
00:38:29,464 --> 00:38:32,024
Speaker 1: running a sporting program with the scholarships and everything.

871
00:38:31,744 --> 00:38:33,464
Speaker 2: And they went into the meeting room.

872
00:38:33,504 --> 00:38:35,984
Speaker 3: It was like her mom, her dad and Alex and

873
00:38:36,064 --> 00:38:37,864
Speaker 3: her mom gave them the book and was like, this

874
00:38:37,944 --> 00:38:40,424
Speaker 3: is everything that my daughter has said that has happened

875
00:38:40,424 --> 00:38:40,784
Speaker 3: to her.

876
00:38:41,304 --> 00:38:42,984
Speaker 2: What are you going to do about it? And they

877
00:38:43,104 --> 00:38:44,304
Speaker 2: just said, what do you want?

878
00:38:44,704 --> 00:38:46,744
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they pretty much said, this is what she

879
00:38:46,784 --> 00:38:50,024
Speaker 3: alleged in the documentary that they told her that they

880
00:38:50,024 --> 00:38:53,104
Speaker 3: were not going to fire the coach but she could

881
00:38:53,224 --> 00:38:54,264
Speaker 3: keep her scholarship.

882
00:38:54,744 --> 00:38:57,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is and there's just watching the build up

883
00:38:57,304 --> 00:38:59,584
Speaker 1: to that moment, you kind of know watching it how

884
00:38:59,624 --> 00:39:01,424
Speaker 1: it's going to end up, because we know that she

885
00:39:01,504 --> 00:39:04,744
Speaker 1: didn't graduate playing soccer. But it is very devastating, and

886
00:39:04,824 --> 00:39:07,264
Speaker 1: especially when she sets up the story as you're saying

887
00:39:07,264 --> 00:39:08,984
Speaker 1: of like I was part of this team and I

888
00:39:09,024 --> 00:39:10,104
Speaker 1: love them, and I was so excited to have a

889
00:39:10,104 --> 00:39:12,184
Speaker 1: feene male coach, and then when she talked at the

890
00:39:12,224 --> 00:39:14,624
Speaker 1: coach sexually harassing her, I've got to say, this is

891
00:39:14,664 --> 00:39:17,024
Speaker 1: where like my own bias shows because I was really

892
00:39:17,024 --> 00:39:19,024
Speaker 1: surprised when she said it was the female coach, Like

893
00:39:19,184 --> 00:39:21,104
Speaker 1: I immediately when I first heard this is part of

894
00:39:21,144 --> 00:39:23,984
Speaker 1: the documentary, I just assumed it was a male coach

895
00:39:24,264 --> 00:39:27,584
Speaker 1: who sexually harassed her, which statistically is more likely, but

896
00:39:27,584 --> 00:39:30,264
Speaker 1: it can one hundred percent happen with a man or

897
00:39:30,304 --> 00:39:32,784
Speaker 1: a woman, and she also says that it was almost

898
00:39:32,864 --> 00:39:36,824
Speaker 1: hard to pinpoint her allegations of sexual harassment at the time,

899
00:39:36,864 --> 00:39:39,184
Speaker 1: because she alleges that and again they say all this

900
00:39:39,224 --> 00:39:41,344
Speaker 1: in the documentary, but we're saying alleged because that's the

901
00:39:41,384 --> 00:39:42,944
Speaker 1: correct time to use when you're talking about this sort

902
00:39:42,944 --> 00:39:45,504
Speaker 1: of stuff. She alleges in the documentary that the when

903
00:39:45,504 --> 00:39:47,944
Speaker 1: they were watching training and playing videos back, which is

904
00:39:48,064 --> 00:39:50,024
Speaker 1: very common thing with athletes to fill them and watch

905
00:39:50,104 --> 00:39:52,984
Speaker 1: back later like go through technique, that there'd be so

906
00:39:53,104 --> 00:39:55,544
Speaker 1: much close up footage of Alex and that the coach

907
00:39:55,544 --> 00:39:57,224
Speaker 1: would be like, look at her legs, look at her hair,

908
00:39:57,264 --> 00:40:00,544
Speaker 1: like how she moves She yeah, all that sort of stuff,

909
00:40:00,704 --> 00:40:02,784
Speaker 1: she alleges, and that as time went on, her coach

910
00:40:02,824 --> 00:40:05,344
Speaker 1: would like really drill her about her dating and her

911
00:40:05,384 --> 00:40:07,544
Speaker 1: sex life and also try and make rules about who

912
00:40:07,544 --> 00:40:09,664
Speaker 1: she could have sex with, but also wanting the information.

913
00:40:10,144 --> 00:40:12,864
Speaker 1: She alledges that her coach would say inappropriate things to her,

914
00:40:13,264 --> 00:40:18,024
Speaker 1: touch her really horrific allegations, and she was just so

915
00:40:18,144 --> 00:40:20,504
Speaker 1: kind of torn because she loved playing soccer so much,

916
00:40:20,944 --> 00:40:22,304
Speaker 1: and at the same time, she was like, if I

917
00:40:22,304 --> 00:40:24,864
Speaker 1: say anything about this behavior, which is also it's one

918
00:40:24,864 --> 00:40:27,104
Speaker 1: of those things where like it sounds so awful as

919
00:40:27,144 --> 00:40:29,024
Speaker 1: I'm listening it like that it is awful, but I

920
00:40:29,024 --> 00:40:31,704
Speaker 1: could also imagine if you're that person, it's hard to

921
00:40:31,784 --> 00:40:34,504
Speaker 1: prove it's what had happened, Like I'm sure of This

922
00:40:34,584 --> 00:40:36,624
Speaker 1: young girl in college is also like, but if I

923
00:40:36,704 --> 00:40:39,144
Speaker 1: tell the people who in charge, are they gonna believe me?

924
00:40:39,504 --> 00:40:42,104
Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting hearing Alex sort of

925
00:40:42,104 --> 00:40:44,064
Speaker 1: recount what happened in that meeting. So, yeah, she's saying

926
00:40:44,104 --> 00:40:46,584
Speaker 1: her mum has written everything down. She's saying her dad

927
00:40:46,624 --> 00:40:48,264
Speaker 1: was yelling at them, like what are you going to do?

928
00:40:48,264 --> 00:40:50,544
Speaker 1: You have to do something, do something, And she said

929
00:40:50,544 --> 00:40:52,624
Speaker 1: that she just at that point she realized that things

930
00:40:52,664 --> 00:40:54,944
Speaker 1: were escalating and they were never gonna get any better.

931
00:40:55,184 --> 00:40:56,944
Speaker 1: So she just said to them, like, what's the bottom

932
00:40:56,984 --> 00:40:58,944
Speaker 1: line deal? What can you give us? And I thought

933
00:40:58,984 --> 00:41:01,304
Speaker 1: that was a really interesting nodche like the business woman

934
00:41:01,344 --> 00:41:03,464
Speaker 1: that she's become, Like she cut through it all and

935
00:41:03,584 --> 00:41:06,144
Speaker 1: was just like, we're going around in circles like you

936
00:41:06,184 --> 00:41:08,344
Speaker 1: want something, I want something. What's your bottom line deal?

937
00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:11,384
Speaker 1: And it was keep the scholarship and leave the soccer team,

938
00:41:11,384 --> 00:41:13,304
Speaker 1: which is the deal they took and then they say

939
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:14,664
Speaker 1: that when they got out to the car, she just

940
00:41:15,024 --> 00:41:15,984
Speaker 1: burst into tears.

941
00:41:16,064 --> 00:41:17,264
Speaker 2: Yeah over it.

942
00:41:17,384 --> 00:41:22,064
Speaker 1: And I was also really shocked of how blatant it

943
00:41:22,344 --> 00:41:26,624
Speaker 1: was that she says in the documentary, this woman sexually

944
00:41:26,624 --> 00:41:29,304
Speaker 1: harassed me. She says her name, and then she shows

945
00:41:29,344 --> 00:41:32,144
Speaker 1: all these video photos of her and says, this is her,

946
00:41:32,304 --> 00:41:34,784
Speaker 1: this is what she did. She did that Noel allegedly

947
00:41:34,864 --> 00:41:37,024
Speaker 1: know nothing, And like that's a big swing.

948
00:41:37,144 --> 00:41:40,744
Speaker 3: It's a big swing, and it's like telling right, Like

949
00:41:40,784 --> 00:41:43,664
Speaker 3: it's telling that what she's saying is the truth because

950
00:41:44,944 --> 00:41:46,144
Speaker 3: she's we have.

951
00:41:46,104 --> 00:41:48,344
Speaker 2: To say, allegedly, it's in the documentary.

952
00:41:48,344 --> 00:41:50,544
Speaker 3: It's in the documentary, and there's so strong and it's

953
00:41:50,584 --> 00:41:55,464
Speaker 3: such a big storyline in the documentary, and it's like

954
00:41:55,624 --> 00:41:58,424
Speaker 3: it's also the one story that everyone's writing about.

955
00:41:58,624 --> 00:42:00,504
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I guess it was the big reveil that

956
00:42:00,544 --> 00:42:03,744
Speaker 1: we didn't know and the other interesting thing. So the

957
00:42:03,784 --> 00:42:05,664
Speaker 1: documentary came out this week. I watched it the night

958
00:42:05,704 --> 00:42:08,464
Speaker 1: it came out, like glued to the screen. The next morning,

959
00:42:08,664 --> 00:42:10,984
Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy popped up in my pocast feed and

960
00:42:11,024 --> 00:42:13,064
Speaker 1: it was an episode from Alex, a really quick solo

961
00:42:13,184 --> 00:42:16,864
Speaker 1: episode explaining why she had finally decided to tell that

962
00:42:16,984 --> 00:42:19,384
Speaker 1: story and why she decided to put it in the documentary,

963
00:42:19,864 --> 00:42:22,344
Speaker 1: and the reveal is pretty heartbreaking.

964
00:42:22,944 --> 00:42:25,184
Speaker 5: I kept going back and forth, back and forth to

965
00:42:25,264 --> 00:42:28,624
Speaker 5: tell the world would happen, to not talk about it?

966
00:42:28,664 --> 00:42:29,304
Speaker 1: What do I do?

967
00:42:30,424 --> 00:42:35,064
Speaker 5: But then something happened where I immediately knew, without a doubt,

968
00:42:35,504 --> 00:42:39,144
Speaker 5: that it was time for me to speak up. Towards

969
00:42:39,144 --> 00:42:43,144
Speaker 5: the end of filming this documentary, new information came to light.

970
00:42:44,144 --> 00:42:50,144
Speaker 5: I found out that other women had stepped onto that

971
00:42:50,184 --> 00:42:55,904
Speaker 5: same field and experienced the same harassment I did. I

972
00:42:55,944 --> 00:42:59,784
Speaker 5: discovered that the abuse and trauma I had been subjected

973
00:42:59,824 --> 00:43:06,624
Speaker 5: to at Boston University was still actively happening on that

974
00:43:06,824 --> 00:43:11,424
Speaker 5: campus in twenty twenty five after I left.

975
00:43:11,944 --> 00:43:16,344
Speaker 2: That is so messed up? Is that sobering? It's so heartbreaking.

976
00:43:16,424 --> 00:43:19,424
Speaker 3: Like even that scene when she goes back to Boston

977
00:43:19,504 --> 00:43:22,304
Speaker 3: University and is like looking at the football field and

978
00:43:22,304 --> 00:43:25,264
Speaker 3: she starts crying and she literally said, like this was

979
00:43:25,304 --> 00:43:26,544
Speaker 3: all taken away from me.

980
00:43:26,944 --> 00:43:27,544
Speaker 2: This is true.

981
00:43:27,584 --> 00:43:30,224
Speaker 3: It was literally taken away from me. And she wasn't

982
00:43:30,304 --> 00:43:31,864
Speaker 3: just like a player, like she was one of the

983
00:43:31,904 --> 00:43:34,504
Speaker 3: star players. And I don't know heaps about soccer, but

984
00:43:34,544 --> 00:43:36,024
Speaker 3: I know a little bit, but she was like kicking,

985
00:43:36,024 --> 00:43:39,424
Speaker 3: like David Beckham strikes and it's like she was making

986
00:43:39,464 --> 00:43:41,864
Speaker 3: goals and she was like striking, and like she would

987
00:43:41,904 --> 00:43:43,584
Speaker 3: do like press interviews for this, like she.

988
00:43:43,544 --> 00:43:44,704
Speaker 2: Was so so good.

989
00:43:45,304 --> 00:43:48,224
Speaker 3: And when a kid, especially in the US, is on

990
00:43:48,264 --> 00:43:51,744
Speaker 3: like a sporting scholarship, it's like that's their future made, yeah,

991
00:43:51,744 --> 00:43:53,464
Speaker 3: like because then they get into the big leagues and

992
00:43:53,504 --> 00:43:56,144
Speaker 3: then they just have this massive, massive career. And the

993
00:43:56,224 --> 00:43:59,384
Speaker 3: fact that like that was pulled from her over something

994
00:43:59,424 --> 00:44:02,984
Speaker 3: that was completely not her fault at all is so

995
00:44:03,064 --> 00:44:03,504
Speaker 3: messed up.

996
00:44:03,584 --> 00:44:05,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of respect for her for

997
00:44:05,224 --> 00:44:07,584
Speaker 1: sharing that, but it also, you know, a lot of

998
00:44:07,664 --> 00:44:10,264
Speaker 1: what she wanted to show in this documentary was her

999
00:44:10,504 --> 00:44:14,024
Speaker 1: advocacy for women, and you see her go and like

1000
00:44:14,304 --> 00:44:16,864
Speaker 1: talk to people who are like protesting against abortion, and

1001
00:44:16,944 --> 00:44:21,424
Speaker 1: you hear the mechanics of why she decided to interview

1002
00:44:21,504 --> 00:44:23,784
Speaker 1: Karma House and why she decided to go into that

1003
00:44:23,864 --> 00:44:25,864
Speaker 1: knowing she would get backlash, and she was just like,

1004
00:44:26,144 --> 00:44:28,744
Speaker 1: it's not a political issue now, It's become an issue

1005
00:44:28,744 --> 00:44:30,584
Speaker 1: for women and what they want to vote for and

1006
00:44:30,864 --> 00:44:32,664
Speaker 1: all of these different things. So I thought it was

1007
00:44:32,664 --> 00:44:34,824
Speaker 1: definitely a time and the story she wanted to tell,

1008
00:44:34,864 --> 00:44:39,624
Speaker 1: but very difficult in terms of talking about building her empire.

1009
00:44:41,624 --> 00:44:43,944
Speaker 1: The other interesting thing that we hadn't seen before, I mean,

1010
00:44:43,944 --> 00:44:46,184
Speaker 1: we'd seen she did a whole episode on it, We

1011
00:44:46,224 --> 00:44:49,024
Speaker 1: saw the Vogue stories, we saw the videos and photos,

1012
00:44:49,144 --> 00:44:54,664
Speaker 1: was her wedding to Matt Kaplan. But we okay, maybe

1013
00:44:54,704 --> 00:44:57,184
Speaker 1: I've led you astray with like something. Do you hate

1014
00:44:57,224 --> 00:44:58,544
Speaker 1: this man because of what I've said to you?

1015
00:44:58,664 --> 00:44:58,864
Speaker 2: Yes?

1016
00:44:59,024 --> 00:45:02,744
Speaker 1: Oh? No, okay, Okay, well this is how rumors start. Okay,

1017
00:45:03,144 --> 00:45:06,824
Speaker 1: let me caveat this. So you see a video from

1018
00:45:06,864 --> 00:45:08,544
Speaker 1: their wedding and you see their vows and all these

1019
00:45:08,664 --> 00:45:10,944
Speaker 1: a bit more intimate than we saw in the profile,

1020
00:45:10,944 --> 00:45:12,944
Speaker 1: all the podcasts that she did about her wedding, and

1021
00:45:12,984 --> 00:45:15,544
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about her even being married that she's

1022
00:45:15,584 --> 00:45:18,184
Speaker 1: talked about too, is that for such a long time,

1023
00:45:18,544 --> 00:45:21,384
Speaker 1: her whole shtick was like the wild single sex girl,

1024
00:45:21,784 --> 00:45:23,584
Speaker 1: Like she was out in the world and she had

1025
00:45:23,624 --> 00:45:26,184
Speaker 1: all these different like men that she'd have these like

1026
00:45:26,344 --> 00:45:29,984
Speaker 1: torrid relationships and affairs with who all went by like covenanmes,

1027
00:45:29,984 --> 00:45:32,344
Speaker 1: like some shady and stuff, and you hear her sex stories,

1028
00:45:32,344 --> 00:45:35,304
Speaker 1: and that was like the basis for her online persona

1029
00:45:35,344 --> 00:45:37,744
Speaker 1: for the podcast all those things, and then so it

1030
00:45:37,784 --> 00:45:39,784
Speaker 1: was quite shocking for her audience a couple of years

1031
00:45:39,784 --> 00:45:42,504
Speaker 1: ago when she admitted and I say admitted because it

1032
00:45:42,544 --> 00:45:44,624
Speaker 1: did sound like she was admitting something. And I was like,

1033
00:45:44,624 --> 00:45:46,304
Speaker 1: because I was listening a podcast, like what does this

1034
00:45:46,344 --> 00:45:48,304
Speaker 1: girl killed someone? Like, she's really like being like, I

1035
00:45:48,344 --> 00:45:50,664
Speaker 1: have to tell you guys something, and it's she was

1036
00:45:50,664 --> 00:45:53,104
Speaker 1: in a serious relationship and she had essentially moved from

1037
00:45:53,144 --> 00:45:55,064
Speaker 1: New York to Los Angeles to be with this man

1038
00:45:55,384 --> 00:45:58,544
Speaker 1: who she'd met on a business call and had called

1039
00:45:58,584 --> 00:46:00,104
Speaker 1: and for a long time, we didn't know his name,

1040
00:46:00,144 --> 00:46:02,144
Speaker 1: didn't see his face or anything. He was just mister

1041
00:46:02,184 --> 00:46:03,064
Speaker 1: sexy zoom Man.

1042
00:46:03,184 --> 00:46:06,624
Speaker 3: Yes, missus sexy zoom Man. And then it came out

1043
00:46:06,704 --> 00:46:08,424
Speaker 3: that he was actually well known.

1044
00:46:09,064 --> 00:46:10,864
Speaker 1: Okay, this is all you want to talk about. Okay.

1045
00:46:10,984 --> 00:46:13,504
Speaker 1: They met on the zoom they fell in love. Basically,

1046
00:46:13,544 --> 00:46:15,424
Speaker 1: she was shopping around like call her Daddy's like a

1047
00:46:15,464 --> 00:46:17,864
Speaker 1: TV show and stuff. And the way she frames it

1048
00:46:17,904 --> 00:46:20,904
Speaker 1: is really interesting because there's obviously a very specific way

1049
00:46:20,904 --> 00:46:23,064
Speaker 1: that she wants us to see their love story, which

1050
00:46:23,064 --> 00:46:24,864
Speaker 1: I get. It's like your story, You're like, this is

1051
00:46:24,864 --> 00:46:26,424
Speaker 1: how it happened, this is how I want you to sit.

1052
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:28,424
Speaker 1: And so she talks to them going out to a

1053
00:46:28,424 --> 00:46:31,904
Speaker 1: business dinner and they're sitting at the table and she's

1054
00:46:31,944 --> 00:46:35,344
Speaker 1: being Alex Cooper call her daddy. She's like flirting and

1055
00:46:35,384 --> 00:46:37,344
Speaker 1: being silly and she's being like and this is my

1056
00:46:37,424 --> 00:46:39,384
Speaker 1: wildest story and this is that, and she's doing all

1057
00:46:39,384 --> 00:46:42,464
Speaker 1: this stuff. This is how she recounts it. And he

1058
00:46:42,504 --> 00:46:45,064
Speaker 1: said to her like, basically, they've heard some advice, and

1059
00:46:45,144 --> 00:46:46,784
Speaker 1: is like, I don't think that this like big. I

1060
00:46:46,784 --> 00:46:48,664
Speaker 1: think it's a reality TV show. I don't think this

1061
00:46:48,744 --> 00:46:50,704
Speaker 1: is the way for you to go. And I don't

1062
00:46:50,704 --> 00:46:52,304
Speaker 1: think our company is going to pick this up. I

1063
00:46:52,304 --> 00:46:54,184
Speaker 1: would just do your podcast, do this and that, and

1064
00:46:54,224 --> 00:46:56,584
Speaker 1: she said the moment he said that, she was like okay,

1065
00:46:56,584 --> 00:46:58,864
Speaker 1: and she just flipped back into being like her normal self.

1066
00:46:59,264 --> 00:47:02,504
Speaker 1: And he was like, what just happened? Well, where did

1067
00:47:02,504 --> 00:47:04,984
Speaker 1: that person again? I wasn't at this fancy dinner. This

1068
00:47:05,024 --> 00:47:07,104
Speaker 1: is the way she tells it. And he was like

1069
00:47:07,144 --> 00:47:09,064
Speaker 1: what just happened? And she was like, well, you're not

1070
00:47:09,064 --> 00:47:10,704
Speaker 1: going to buy it, so I don't have to be

1071
00:47:11,104 --> 00:47:13,504
Speaker 1: like a podcast host, like I'm just being myself now.

1072
00:47:13,744 --> 00:47:15,184
Speaker 1: And then they fell in love and like had a while,

1073
00:47:15,224 --> 00:47:17,304
Speaker 1: look up that night, and they've been together ever since.

1074
00:47:17,784 --> 00:47:20,704
Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting because she went from being

1075
00:47:20,784 --> 00:47:23,984
Speaker 1: like the ultimate kind of single girl to being like

1076
00:47:24,144 --> 00:47:29,904
Speaker 1: in the most at least forward facing, beautiful home, two dogs,

1077
00:47:30,664 --> 00:47:35,664
Speaker 1: loving marriage, very very homey, very homey and traditional and

1078
00:47:35,704 --> 00:47:38,584
Speaker 1: stuff and everything, and like, I don't think it's alien

1079
00:47:38,624 --> 00:47:40,984
Speaker 1: in her audience at all, but it's definitely not.

1080
00:47:41,344 --> 00:47:43,544
Speaker 2: She had to be strategic with it, yeah, which she was,

1081
00:47:43,664 --> 00:47:44,064
Speaker 2: I think.

1082
00:47:44,264 --> 00:47:46,024
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about the documentary is that, like

1083
00:47:46,224 --> 00:47:48,184
Speaker 1: I always knew that were business partners. They have a

1084
00:47:48,224 --> 00:47:51,384
Speaker 1: company together, and their company has produced like TV shows

1085
00:47:51,384 --> 00:47:53,224
Speaker 1: and things like Separate to Call Her Daddy, which is

1086
00:47:53,264 --> 00:47:55,784
Speaker 1: a whole other franchise that I think she really runs.

1087
00:47:56,264 --> 00:47:58,144
Speaker 1: But their business, I don't know, you kind of see

1088
00:47:58,184 --> 00:48:00,464
Speaker 1: him behind the scenes, like it's like he's running it.

1089
00:48:00,864 --> 00:48:03,424
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like when they talk about their business,

1090
00:48:03,744 --> 00:48:06,784
Speaker 3: you can almost see like some sort of like regret

1091
00:48:06,904 --> 00:48:10,544
Speaker 3: or embarrassment about the early Call Her Daddy date, like

1092
00:48:10,584 --> 00:48:12,464
Speaker 3: in ways where she was like I used to like

1093
00:48:12,464 --> 00:48:14,544
Speaker 3: talk about sex and blah blah blah, and now I

1094
00:48:14,584 --> 00:48:17,304
Speaker 3: want to like have like actual interviews and things like that.

1095
00:48:17,704 --> 00:48:20,144
Speaker 2: And I'm like, there was a purpose for that pot like.

1096
00:48:20,224 --> 00:48:22,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't bad. Yeah, I don't know.

1097
00:48:22,464 --> 00:48:24,544
Speaker 2: I mean like, I'm embarrassed about my first podcast, but

1098
00:48:24,584 --> 00:48:24,864
Speaker 2: that's me.

1099
00:48:26,504 --> 00:48:28,864
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe that's just the thing. Every it's like your

1100
00:48:28,864 --> 00:48:30,344
Speaker 1: first pancake, your first podcast.

1101
00:48:30,744 --> 00:48:32,424
Speaker 3: But I'm like, if she didn't have that, she wouldn't

1102
00:48:32,424 --> 00:48:36,104
Speaker 3: have this. And I think and I think just obviously

1103
00:48:36,224 --> 00:48:39,464
Speaker 3: she has a husband now, and even like in certain

1104
00:48:39,504 --> 00:48:41,704
Speaker 3: times where she's like talking to a friend or to

1105
00:48:41,784 --> 00:48:43,904
Speaker 3: the camera saying like, oh my voice hers, I'll just

1106
00:48:43,904 --> 00:48:45,784
Speaker 3: tell everyone that I just gave like a really crazy

1107
00:48:45,784 --> 00:48:47,944
Speaker 3: blow job last night, and she didn't realize that Matt

1108
00:48:48,024 --> 00:48:49,104
Speaker 3: was standing right behind.

1109
00:48:48,864 --> 00:48:51,024
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh my god, yeah, and then he

1110
00:48:51,184 --> 00:48:53,424
Speaker 1: like tries to make her. I don't know, it's fine.

1111
00:48:53,464 --> 00:48:57,104
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't know anything.

1112
00:48:57,184 --> 00:48:58,464
Speaker 2: How does it give me the eck?

1113
00:48:58,744 --> 00:49:03,744
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe because she's so gushy about him,

1114
00:49:04,104 --> 00:49:07,624
Speaker 1: which is she loves, loves, She's so gushy about him

1115
00:49:07,624 --> 00:49:10,224
Speaker 1: on the podcast that it makes me suspicious because I

1116
00:49:10,264 --> 00:49:14,304
Speaker 1: was like, he's like a perfect man in the way

1117
00:49:14,384 --> 00:49:18,624
Speaker 1: she talks about him. She is ideal loving, He's a unicorn.

1118
00:49:18,704 --> 00:49:20,784
Speaker 1: To go back to the materialist, he is the most

1119
00:49:20,824 --> 00:49:24,064
Speaker 1: loving man. He is so supportive, he is so emotionally

1120
00:49:24,064 --> 00:49:26,784
Speaker 1: evolved and tuned. He only cares about her. She can

1121
00:49:26,784 --> 00:49:29,624
Speaker 1: tell him anything. And maybe that's all true, but it

1122
00:49:29,744 --> 00:49:30,384
Speaker 1: just it's.

1123
00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:32,984
Speaker 3: So to the point, like girls were coming to her

1124
00:49:33,024 --> 00:49:35,864
Speaker 3: shows with signs going I want to find my math,

1125
00:49:36,024 --> 00:49:38,024
Speaker 3: like I want to find my mister sexy Zoom.

1126
00:49:38,064 --> 00:49:40,464
Speaker 1: But she was so worried about letting her audience down,

1127
00:49:40,504 --> 00:49:42,344
Speaker 1: about not being a single girl anymore, she had to

1128
00:49:42,384 --> 00:49:45,144
Speaker 1: almost create this man who sounds like too good to

1129
00:49:45,184 --> 00:49:48,584
Speaker 1: be true to justify walking away from that audience in

1130
00:49:48,624 --> 00:49:49,504
Speaker 1: a way.

1131
00:49:49,424 --> 00:49:50,664
Speaker 2: I didn't even put that together.

1132
00:49:50,864 --> 00:49:53,304
Speaker 1: And she's mate, I mean, he sounds like a freaking robot,

1133
00:49:53,544 --> 00:49:54,424
Speaker 1: that's what he sounds like.

1134
00:49:54,664 --> 00:49:58,304
Speaker 2: But we also know he's not that he's not the

1135
00:49:58,344 --> 00:49:58,984
Speaker 2: perfect man.

1136
00:49:59,264 --> 00:50:01,904
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean we don't know that, Emily. Here's what

1137
00:50:01,944 --> 00:50:04,664
Speaker 1: we do know. We just know on what you're saying.

1138
00:50:04,664 --> 00:50:06,624
Speaker 1: Like she Hearsn'm saying the thing about he hears her

1139
00:50:06,664 --> 00:50:08,464
Speaker 1: saying thing about the blowjob, and he was like, oh,

1140
00:50:08,544 --> 00:50:11,224
Speaker 1: everyone thinks I'm getting all these blowjobs, Like that's not

1141
00:50:11,304 --> 00:50:13,424
Speaker 1: what's happening. And it's kind of a joke about like

1142
00:50:13,464 --> 00:50:15,824
Speaker 1: everyone thinks I'm married to this sex goddess, but we're

1143
00:50:15,864 --> 00:50:19,664
Speaker 1: actually we're just mostly business partners. We're a wholesome, celibate

1144
00:50:20,984 --> 00:50:22,744
Speaker 1: well who are like working around the clock to like

1145
00:50:22,824 --> 00:50:26,584
Speaker 1: make money and stuff. They I mean, how would you

1146
00:50:26,664 --> 00:50:28,464
Speaker 1: kind of say that he's been married before and that

1147
00:50:28,584 --> 00:50:29,304
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.

1148
00:50:29,744 --> 00:50:32,184
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that he's married before.

1149
00:50:32,584 --> 00:50:35,784
Speaker 1: It's more the type of woman this man goes for,

1150
00:50:36,104 --> 00:50:39,264
Speaker 1: which is fine, Emily, everyone has a type. I feel

1151
00:50:39,264 --> 00:50:42,264
Speaker 1: like I've accidentally demonized this man with my gossip and

1152
00:50:42,464 --> 00:50:45,504
Speaker 1: that you've taken this the wrong way, okay, because we

1153
00:50:45,664 --> 00:50:47,744
Speaker 1: just know that he's a Hollywood you know man, he's

1154
00:50:47,744 --> 00:50:49,744
Speaker 1: a Hollywood executive. He comes from what I can tell

1155
00:50:49,784 --> 00:50:52,544
Speaker 1: like a very very wealthy family. And he also has

1156
00:50:52,624 --> 00:50:58,624
Speaker 1: a very specific type, which is blue eyed, fair blonde

1157
00:50:58,624 --> 00:51:04,304
Speaker 1: women with a very specific face structure. Fine, everyone has

1158
00:51:04,304 --> 00:51:07,904
Speaker 1: a type. So he dated Ashley Olson. Yeah, he stated

1159
00:51:07,904 --> 00:51:09,584
Speaker 1: a few of the blondes that are not even Mary

1160
00:51:09,664 --> 00:51:13,664
Speaker 1: Kay Mary Kayette. He saw the awesome twins and he's

1161
00:51:13,704 --> 00:51:16,744
Speaker 1: like that one, that's my one. He was also married

1162
00:51:16,784 --> 00:51:20,304
Speaker 1: to Claire Holt. He was married actress Claire hold who

1163
00:51:20,344 --> 00:51:23,984
Speaker 1: would know from H two O just but more importantly

1164
00:51:24,064 --> 00:51:27,904
Speaker 1: as Rebecca from both The Vampire Diaries and the Original Originals.

1165
00:51:28,024 --> 00:51:31,184
Speaker 1: Love Claire Hope Holt, great actress, Love her. They were

1166
00:51:31,184 --> 00:51:33,904
Speaker 1: married and I don't know what happened, but it ended

1167
00:51:33,944 --> 00:51:37,064
Speaker 1: in divorce. I've heard whispers that didn't end well. I

1168
00:51:37,064 --> 00:51:40,784
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not going to speculate, but we sometimes

1169
00:51:40,784 --> 00:51:43,704
Speaker 1: do take the woman's side, just because history teaches us

1170
00:51:43,744 --> 00:51:45,624
Speaker 1: that that's what we should do. It was just so

1171
00:51:45,624 --> 00:51:47,864
Speaker 1: funny looking at their wedding and just being like that

1172
00:51:47,904 --> 00:51:52,144
Speaker 1: she's such like a mirror image of Claire. Hole is

1173
00:51:52,144 --> 00:51:52,424
Speaker 1: that what you.

1174
00:51:52,384 --> 00:51:54,944
Speaker 2: Woreman were saying, Yes, Yes, that's exactly what I wanted

1175
00:51:54,944 --> 00:51:55,304
Speaker 2: to say.

1176
00:51:55,424 --> 00:51:57,624
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just again, I don't think it makes

1177
00:51:57,664 --> 00:52:00,864
Speaker 1: their marriage any less romantic and lovely that he was

1178
00:52:00,904 --> 00:52:01,584
Speaker 1: married before.

1179
00:52:02,024 --> 00:52:04,544
Speaker 3: It's just really interesting because it's one of those things

1180
00:52:04,584 --> 00:52:08,384
Speaker 3: where I feel like if we didn't say it, and

1181
00:52:08,424 --> 00:52:10,904
Speaker 3: we don't say it, then it's just something that never

1182
00:52:10,944 --> 00:52:13,184
Speaker 3: get said because it's always And I hate to bring

1183
00:52:13,224 --> 00:52:15,264
Speaker 3: this like down to race because I know I'm gonna

1184
00:52:15,264 --> 00:52:16,464
Speaker 3: get so many hate comments.

1185
00:52:16,504 --> 00:52:18,464
Speaker 1: Fine, but from the spillers, not some of who listen

1186
00:52:18,544 --> 00:52:21,224
Speaker 1: to this pot the outside outside world is evil.

1187
00:52:21,264 --> 00:52:25,064
Speaker 3: But like we never ever talk about like white people

1188
00:52:25,104 --> 00:52:27,624
Speaker 3: who only ever date white people who look the same.

1189
00:52:27,984 --> 00:52:30,384
Speaker 3: But like if I were to date, like if I

1190
00:52:30,424 --> 00:52:33,184
Speaker 3: were to marry a man who's all previous girlfriends had

1191
00:52:33,224 --> 00:52:36,104
Speaker 3: been like Indian brown skin, that would be something everyone's

1192
00:52:36,144 --> 00:52:36,544
Speaker 3: talking about.

1193
00:52:36,864 --> 00:52:39,544
Speaker 1: D And so just a caviat I only know of

1194
00:52:39,624 --> 00:52:42,064
Speaker 1: his blond girlfriends. Maybe there's others. I actually don't know

1195
00:52:42,144 --> 00:52:44,744
Speaker 1: every woman this man has dated. I just know like

1196
00:52:44,784 --> 00:52:45,784
Speaker 1: the big public ones.

1197
00:52:45,864 --> 00:52:48,264
Speaker 3: I just found it really interesting, like the whole way,

1198
00:52:48,304 --> 00:52:49,984
Speaker 3: Like it just felt very business y to me.

1199
00:52:50,184 --> 00:52:51,624
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of why I found it

1200
00:52:51,664 --> 00:52:52,504
Speaker 1: because of like.

1201
00:52:52,384 --> 00:52:56,104
Speaker 2: They're not very cuddly or like cutie or like together.

1202
00:52:55,944 --> 00:52:58,104
Speaker 1: But again they're very private, like she didn't even show

1203
00:52:58,144 --> 00:53:00,384
Speaker 1: his face for like such long time they were dating.

1204
00:53:00,584 --> 00:53:03,824
Speaker 1: I try and think about why I'm suspicious of this situation.

1205
00:53:04,144 --> 00:53:06,904
Speaker 1: And I think I'm suspicious of it because again it's

1206
00:53:06,944 --> 00:53:09,224
Speaker 1: been framed as such a fairy tale and I'm sure

1207
00:53:09,264 --> 00:53:12,744
Speaker 1: it's all fine, But I think it's because she is

1208
00:53:12,784 --> 00:53:15,744
Speaker 1: such an open book on so many things, and I

1209
00:53:15,784 --> 00:53:17,864
Speaker 1: feel like I know so much about her life and

1210
00:53:17,944 --> 00:53:20,704
Speaker 1: so much about her history and what she thinks and things,

1211
00:53:20,744 --> 00:53:23,624
Speaker 1: and she really prides herself on talking about the really

1212
00:53:23,704 --> 00:53:27,224
Speaker 1: uncomfortable things. Maybe it's a respect thing for his past marriage.

1213
00:53:27,304 --> 00:53:28,984
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just like she's like, it's not my story

1214
00:53:29,024 --> 00:53:30,544
Speaker 1: to tell, and I don't expect her to come on

1215
00:53:30,624 --> 00:53:32,224
Speaker 1: and be like, here's what my ex husband and his

1216
00:53:32,264 --> 00:53:34,344
Speaker 1: wife broke up. But I just think it's interesting of

1217
00:53:34,424 --> 00:53:37,864
Speaker 1: like talking about I found my forever person and we

1218
00:53:37,904 --> 00:53:39,784
Speaker 1: waited so long for each other and this and I

1219
00:53:40,904 --> 00:53:42,664
Speaker 1: even hate myself for the way I'm talking now, like

1220
00:53:42,704 --> 00:53:44,784
Speaker 1: I know this sounds bad, just to say I just

1221
00:53:44,824 --> 00:53:46,944
Speaker 1: think it's interesting. That would be such a rich I'm

1222
00:53:46,944 --> 00:53:48,904
Speaker 1: just gonna say it. It would be such a rich

1223
00:53:48,944 --> 00:53:53,544
Speaker 1: podcast topic to have her discuss the fact that she's

1224
00:53:53,544 --> 00:53:55,264
Speaker 1: full and head over heels in love with this man

1225
00:53:55,344 --> 00:53:58,064
Speaker 1: and they are so in love and they're so together,

1226
00:53:58,104 --> 00:54:00,464
Speaker 1: to the fact that they spend all their time together

1227
00:54:00,504 --> 00:54:02,584
Speaker 1: because they live together, they're in love, they spend all

1228
00:54:02,584 --> 00:54:05,344
Speaker 1: their time together, they have a business together. And to

1229
00:54:05,464 --> 00:54:08,104
Speaker 1: know what it's like that he was in that high

1230
00:54:08,144 --> 00:54:12,424
Speaker 1: profile relationship in a way where everyone saw him do

1231
00:54:12,544 --> 00:54:15,784
Speaker 1: this with someone else, and what is that like to

1232
00:54:15,864 --> 00:54:17,944
Speaker 1: have even just to have the public scrutiny of that

1233
00:54:17,984 --> 00:54:20,744
Speaker 1: out there and people looking at your wedding photos, being like, oh, well,

1234
00:54:20,784 --> 00:54:23,024
Speaker 1: Clar's dressers like this, or this person was like this,

1235
00:54:23,144 --> 00:54:26,024
Speaker 1: or like his vows the same as he said to

1236
00:54:26,064 --> 00:54:27,544
Speaker 1: her when they had their big wedding. Do you know

1237
00:54:27,544 --> 00:54:31,264
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just yeah, it's an interesting choice.

1238
00:54:31,304 --> 00:54:33,344
Speaker 3: It's an interesting choice, and I feel like he is

1239
00:54:33,384 --> 00:54:37,384
Speaker 3: more involved now since the podcast has moved so drastically

1240
00:54:37,504 --> 00:54:41,304
Speaker 3: from the original Call Her Daddy to a more interview based,

1241
00:54:41,344 --> 00:54:45,104
Speaker 3: like polished version of Call a Day, I do kind

1242
00:54:45,144 --> 00:54:48,024
Speaker 3: of like I'm not enjoying the new version of Call

1243
00:54:48,104 --> 00:54:49,184
Speaker 3: Her Daddy as.

1244
00:54:49,144 --> 00:54:51,184
Speaker 1: Much like I feel you blame Matt Kaplan.

1245
00:54:51,344 --> 00:54:53,784
Speaker 3: No, I don't blame Matt Kaplan. I'm like removing Matt

1246
00:54:53,864 --> 00:54:57,424
Speaker 3: Chaplin from this conversation. But I wanted to quickly touch

1247
00:54:57,464 --> 00:55:00,344
Speaker 3: on like the biggest change, which is like moving to

1248
00:55:00,424 --> 00:55:03,944
Speaker 3: the interview base, because I think she has like a huge,

1249
00:55:04,024 --> 00:55:08,064
Speaker 3: huge platform, which is the reason why so many massive

1250
00:55:08,104 --> 00:55:10,824
Speaker 3: celebrities want to be interviewed by her pig. I could

1251
00:55:10,864 --> 00:55:14,624
Speaker 3: literally propel their career, especially for such a young generation,

1252
00:55:14,824 --> 00:55:17,784
Speaker 3: a young generation of women that so many other media

1253
00:55:17,864 --> 00:55:21,224
Speaker 3: organizations and interviewers aren't able to hone into. And I

1254
00:55:21,264 --> 00:55:24,424
Speaker 3: think that's the main reason why, Like she's got Kamala Harris,

1255
00:55:24,464 --> 00:55:26,544
Speaker 3: she's got Hayley Bieber, She's got like all of these

1256
00:55:26,584 --> 00:55:29,864
Speaker 3: like massive celebrities. But I actually think she should have

1257
00:55:29,904 --> 00:55:34,024
Speaker 3: had someone else interviewing them. Not because I think it's

1258
00:55:34,064 --> 00:55:36,144
Speaker 3: it's a whole podcast, but I think it's exactly what

1259
00:55:36,184 --> 00:55:38,944
Speaker 3: you said. She's a great talker, she's a great storyteller,

1260
00:55:39,144 --> 00:55:41,024
Speaker 3: but I do think now that she's in that role,

1261
00:55:41,064 --> 00:55:44,184
Speaker 3: she does have a level of responsibility that she hasn't undertaken,

1262
00:55:44,504 --> 00:55:47,504
Speaker 3: especially with choosing the guests that she talks about and

1263
00:55:47,544 --> 00:55:50,184
Speaker 3: the guest that she interviews. I read this sub stec

1264
00:55:50,304 --> 00:55:53,424
Speaker 3: recently written by Shanda Daniels, and the headline like just

1265
00:55:53,464 --> 00:55:56,504
Speaker 3: completely pulled me in. It was Alex Cooper, please interview

1266
00:55:56,504 --> 00:55:59,384
Speaker 3: one Black Girl. And in it she did, like this

1267
00:55:59,504 --> 00:56:02,904
Speaker 3: full analysis of every guest Alex has had in the

1268
00:56:02,944 --> 00:56:06,264
Speaker 3: past year based on demographics, and she said, I tracked

1269
00:56:06,304 --> 00:56:09,144
Speaker 3: every guest called her Daddy has had over the last

1270
00:56:09,144 --> 00:56:12,144
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty three episodes and the results aren't

1271
00:56:12,144 --> 00:56:15,064
Speaker 3: what I expected. There worse so, in one hundred and

1272
00:56:15,064 --> 00:56:18,064
Speaker 3: fifty three episodes, she had one hundred and sixty four guests,

1273
00:56:18,344 --> 00:56:19,064
Speaker 3: sixty eight.

1274
00:56:18,944 --> 00:56:21,904
Speaker 2: Percent of the guests were white women. The second most

1275
00:56:21,984 --> 00:56:25,504
Speaker 2: interviewed demographic is white men. Yes, there were more white

1276
00:56:25,544 --> 00:56:27,664
Speaker 2: women interviewed. There were more white men.

1277
00:56:27,624 --> 00:56:30,904
Speaker 3: Interviewed for a podcast centering women than black women or

1278
00:56:30,944 --> 00:56:34,384
Speaker 3: women of color. Both these demographics represent only eight percent

1279
00:56:34,424 --> 00:56:34,944
Speaker 3: of guests.

1280
00:56:35,264 --> 00:56:36,024
Speaker 1: That's quite bad.

1281
00:56:36,344 --> 00:56:37,624
Speaker 2: It is so bad.

1282
00:56:37,744 --> 00:56:41,344
Speaker 3: Are just so bad to position yourself as a woman,

1283
00:56:41,424 --> 00:56:44,624
Speaker 3: like for other women in charge of like female empowerment,

1284
00:56:44,824 --> 00:56:47,864
Speaker 3: like breaking glass ceilings, like being like that old school

1285
00:56:47,864 --> 00:56:50,544
Speaker 3: girl boss, like actually making out in the world, and

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Speaker 3: yet you are profiling more white men than you are

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Speaker 3: of women of color as a fuller demographic. It's just

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Speaker 3: so disheartening to see.

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Speaker 1: That's just such an incredible take from that writer, because

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Speaker 1: it's something that with all eyes being on call her daddy,

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Speaker 1: and all eyes being on Alice Cooper and the legacy

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Speaker 1: that she's built and her spot deal and her Serious

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Speaker 1: deal and how much money she's made and she's been

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Speaker 1: in all these huge publications have profiled her. There's an

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Speaker 1: entire documentary about her that's been in production for years,

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Speaker 1: and that not one person has pointed that out until now,

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Speaker 1: or they if they have, it hasn't like kind of

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Speaker 1: it hasn't escalated to like the higher media realms where

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Speaker 1: it's been covered.

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Speaker 3: It's just one of those things where like, whenever I

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Speaker 3: see something like this, you do kind of like get

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Speaker 3: snapped back into reality. And yes, she is super brilliant

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Speaker 3: and super talented, but she's also extremely beautiful, she's extremely successful,

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Speaker 3: she has a lot of money, she had an amazing childhood,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's really hard to take all of

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Speaker 3: that away and just say that this person was just

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Speaker 3: really smart, which is how they got there.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting. It's like she's taken a page from

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Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift's playbook, where she is this ideal that

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Speaker 1: you could hate, this white, blonde, beautiful, thin, rich woman,

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Speaker 1: the same as Taylor Swift, who has got this legion

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Speaker 1: of fans world wide to fall so completely in love

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Speaker 1: with their messaging and to take their personal wins as

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Speaker 1: a global win for women when it's just personal. It's

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Speaker 1: like a tailor slips and again, these women are doing

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Speaker 1: business like that's totally fine, that's what you should be

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Speaker 1: doing in that area. But like when Taylor's We've got

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Speaker 1: her Master's back, so many women celebrated like they had won.

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Speaker 1: They're like this is a win for women, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: it's a win for this.

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Speaker 2: It's a win for one woman.

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Speaker 1: It's a win for one very very rich woman, which

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, artist rights and all that very important.

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Speaker 1: It's good to shine a light on that. But like,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, a lot of Taylor slips,

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Speaker 1: wins are for her. Yeah, it's for her money and

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Speaker 1: her success. And Alex Cooper has somehow managed to harness

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Speaker 1: that same way of thinking, where all of those women

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Speaker 1: who are like, oh my god, she got a boulty

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Speaker 1: million dollar Spotify deal. That's a win for women, and

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Speaker 1: she's bought this huge house a win for women, and

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Speaker 1: she's released this and she's making this much money. It's like,

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Speaker 1: that's for us. Yeah, It's like it's not it's just a.

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Speaker 2: It's just a win. It's because of a man. Did

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Speaker 2: It's not like a win for men. It's like, it's

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Speaker 2: just a win.

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Speaker 1: And it's hard because I do respect these women, and

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Speaker 1: I do think they are really interesting and I think

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Speaker 1: there is something to celebrate about the fact that a

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Speaker 1: female podcast host has been this successful. I think it

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Speaker 1: is something to celebrate and I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: respect for her, But It is that kind of underlying

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Speaker 1: thing of like, it's only this one type of woman, woman,

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Speaker 1: this rich, white, blonde, thin woman who rises to these

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Speaker 1: ranks and gets all these other women. There's so much

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Speaker 1: power in that getting other women to think that your

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00:59:35,784 --> 00:59:40,944
Speaker 1: personal gain is their personal gain. Yeah it's not wow wow,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll link that substack in our show notes.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important to read. And I would say, like, again,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of wine and shade here, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of good moments. Call her Alex is an incredible documentary.

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Speaker 2: I was hooked to that TV.

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Speaker 1: I would go watch It's on Disney. It's two episodes.

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Speaker 1: It's so worth watching.

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Speaker 2: It's so well produced and created.

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Speaker 1: And this is sort of documentary. This is what it's

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Speaker 1: meant to do. You're meant to watch it and then

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Speaker 1: have these conversations and see different things and question things

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Speaker 1: and dislike some things and cheer for other things. Like

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Speaker 1: that's what a good documentary is. It's not meant to

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Speaker 1: be like a girl.

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Speaker 3: I want to watch it again, watching rays and be like,

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Speaker 3: we know what's going on here. But also, if you're great,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for listening to the spill today.

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Speaker 3: your podcast feed at three pm on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye