WEBVTT - JoJo "Get Your Ex On Your Podcast" Siwa

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<v Speaker 2>from Annie my lazy girl story. I hop into bed

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<v Speaker 2>one night, get all cozy and warm reading my book.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I realize I haven't put my phone on charge,

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<v Speaker 2>which sits on my dresser on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>my room. I really didn't want to get out of

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<v Speaker 2>my warm bet, so I text my husband, who's downstairs,

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<v Speaker 2>that I have a bad headache and could he please

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<v Speaker 2>bring me some painkillers. He's upstairs with the goods I

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<v Speaker 2>don't need. Shortly after and I ask him if he

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<v Speaker 2>could put my phone on charge for me while he's here.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on to me. He rolls his eyes and he

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<v Speaker 2>puts it on charge. Anyway. I give him a wink

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<v Speaker 2>and a butts lap and send him on his way,

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<v Speaker 2>happily reading my book in bed. She's a lazy girl,

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<v Speaker 2>warm and company, lazy girl for the weird. I love

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<v Speaker 2>it because there's something about asking four panad dol can't

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<v Speaker 2>question you get out of jail. Sometimes I do that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like sometimes I'll just be a mad bitch right and

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<v Speaker 2>be awful yeah, and Y'll be like oh and it's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly like one cutting comment too many, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not well, I'm fine or period pain don't have mine?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I even at like a cheeky three am

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<v Speaker 2>I've been known to do this. Right, I'm parked. I

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<v Speaker 2>get very parched, right, especially if we've had burgers and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to two or three am, and I'll go,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to water. And also maybe I went

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<v Speaker 2>to hard on the burgers. Maybe I donate a panadole.

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<v Speaker 2>But with panadole inevitably comes or some hydration. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I say, get me, and then you take the two

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<v Speaker 2>panel and then you wash it down and you're like, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just this. I feel like I'm gonna faint.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who's not a lazy girl? Jojo more la

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<v Speaker 2>any lazy girl. So today we are talking about Jojo Siwa.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a real name? Joel Joni Sewa is an

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<v Speaker 2>American singer, dancer, actress, and media personality.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really care about what they did. I'm come

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<v Speaker 1>back like a boom of band. And Jojo had a

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<v Speaker 1>well out to my new house.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you guys give my dancing because you know it

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<v Speaker 2>was out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>What has go to you, guys?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a human brand?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you are? You are a human brand? Yeah? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be you. She has more energy than

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<v Speaker 2>all the lazy girls put together. Easily. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>why lazy girls aren't celebrated enough, because sometimes you can

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<v Speaker 2>have too much energy. Sometimes you can and you can

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<v Speaker 2>try too hard and do too much. And even like

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<v Speaker 2>you're dancing, I just think could do with less energy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just less. Just she is twenty one. That actually makes

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<v Speaker 2>me feel a bit bad because can you imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>cringe shit we would have done. Actually no, because we

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<v Speaker 2>were too lazy and too shy. But yeah, you're allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to be cringe at twenty one. Yeah, in fact, you're obliged. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we should start off by just saying

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo see why is a bit of fun. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't about Jojo see why the person no Joelle

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever you said her name is. It's about Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Josie Well, the idea and with that we can have

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<v Speaker 2>a play. Yes. In twenty thirteen, when she was about ten,

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<v Speaker 2>she appeared as the youngest contestant on the second season

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<v Speaker 2>of Abby's Ultimate Dance Competition, produced by Abby Lee Miller

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<v Speaker 2>of Dance Mum's Fame.

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<v Speaker 3>No New Crane Children, that buck yell, I'm gonna cry.

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<v Speaker 2>She deserves nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't have an attitude that you are entitled in this world.

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<v Speaker 1>You are not.

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<v Speaker 2>You deserve nothing else you earn it. Speaking of people,

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<v Speaker 2>you cancel along the way, we'll get to Abby. Then.

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<v Speaker 2>From twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, so starting when she

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<v Speaker 2>was about twelve, she appeared as a dancer on two

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<v Speaker 2>seasons of Dance Mums with her mum Jessa Lee. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I have not seen Dance Mums in full, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it like clips on Yeah. I've seen so many

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<v Speaker 2>clips on TikTok that I think I have actually seen

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing, and they do give a general sense

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<v Speaker 2>of things. What I need to know is whether Jojo

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<v Speaker 2>Siwa can dance. Can Jojo Seaward dance, Yes, so, she

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<v Speaker 2>can tie her hair back tied, she can put her

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<v Speaker 2>bone air things, she can do the splits are right.

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<v Speaker 2>Can she do tricks? Yes? All right, But I would

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<v Speaker 2>say she's not the best at tricks. I watched a

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<v Speaker 2>Dance Mum's clip where it's her and another hip hop

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<v Speaker 2>dancer and they're like, Jojo, you were out shown by

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<v Speaker 2>the other hip hop dancer who is far better at tricks.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand a lot about dance, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer hip hop because I don't really understand jazz

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<v Speaker 2>or tap, contemporary temporary, but as an outsider, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is probably something that all dancers should listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>Lean in, Lean in if you're a dancer. We want tricks,

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<v Speaker 2>more tricks, because when we see movements we think we

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<v Speaker 2>can do that, we know we can't. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>something I've noticed watching the DCC the Cheerleader Show, is

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<v Speaker 2>could I do that? Do I have the rhythm? No?

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<v Speaker 2>But I imagine I could. When you do a trick,

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<v Speaker 2>a trick such as a jump split, that's when I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're better than me. So I never understand when

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<v Speaker 2>I watch a routine why it doesn't go trick trick,

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<v Speaker 2>trick trick, I have only trick. I even think it

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<v Speaker 2>in the Olympics with the floor routine, Yes, with the rhythmic,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they do a thing feedback, more treats. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do a thing where they just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>do a few actions, do a few actions. I can

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<v Speaker 2>do actions. You can do a front flip. Do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Do the front Why would you do a routine and

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<v Speaker 2>not do a front flip. Ever, if you can do it,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to be doing it. So I did watch

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<v Speaker 2>chick clip where it was the girl who was doing

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<v Speaker 2>all the tricks, and one of the mums was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tricks are good when you're young, but then

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<v Speaker 2>you need skill. No, tricks are always good. Tricks are

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I will say about Jojo in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>her dancing, She's no Maddie Zigler, okay, And what Maddie

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<v Speaker 2>Zigler has is and I've learned this from DCC chilias

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<v Speaker 2>present personality. But she has the factor. Oh y race,

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<v Speaker 2>some people have the HP factor and people don't like Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like she's a Victoria is Jojo She's not the

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria because she's actually got all the personality. And I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say they always say Jojo, you're a star, but to me,

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<v Speaker 2>the skill is not as high as Maddie. Okay. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>From twenty seventeen onwards, Jojo was signed to Nickelodeon and

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<v Speaker 2>released music and appeared in a bunch of Nickelodeon shows.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an animated show called The Jojo and Bobo

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<v Speaker 2>Show Show because she narrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Pernics Yojo e Bobo and Welcome to the Jojo Babo Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She has one song Boomerang from that era with a

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<v Speaker 2>music video watched over one billion times. Wow, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>watched her.

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<v Speaker 3>They can keep tugging that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna keep buck mar Block and I want you

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<v Speaker 1>with se.

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<v Speaker 3>Yellowish Chanzy.

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<v Speaker 2>She became iconic for her hair bows and she released

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<v Speaker 2>her own line of hair bows, which we will get to. Recently,

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<v Speaker 2>she went viral for her song Karma and the public

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<v Speaker 2>Arma that match. I should have known better. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that has lived rent free in my head for what

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<v Speaker 2>feels like he is now. She has also appeared on

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<v Speaker 2>the US version of The Masked Singer and Dancing with

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<v Speaker 2>the Stars, where she and her partner came second. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's cheating. Going on Dancing with the Stars when

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<v Speaker 2>you're on Dance Mums is cheating. She was also a

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<v Speaker 2>judge on So You Think You Can Dance and just

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<v Speaker 2>as a side note, she was listed as one of

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<v Speaker 2>Time's one hundred most Influential People in twenty twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, where the World's at Also just fun fact,

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<v Speaker 2>JoJo's mum started bleaching her hair when she was a toddler,

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<v Speaker 2>like one and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>I have been dyeing my hair since I was like two,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe one and a half. I'm not a natural blonde.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually a natural bloud. I get brown loods, so

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<v Speaker 3>I have to diet so it looks like I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>natural blonde.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got six months to be able to start

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<v Speaker 2>bleaching Luna's hair. I must say, Lona's head does not

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<v Speaker 2>know what color is. It's very mousey. My structure for

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<v Speaker 2>today is as follows. Dance Mums, her hairbow range, a

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<v Speaker 2>little girl dressed as a monkey, America's Got Talent controversy Karma. Unrelatedly,

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<v Speaker 2>the promotion of Karma and Jojo. Have you learned nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>Dance Mums Dance Moms deserves its own episode of canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>We have known this for some time, but it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>because how do you be exhaustive? We've got to sit

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<v Speaker 2>down and watch the whole seam. Is this the one

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<v Speaker 2>with the Abbey Lee Yeah? Okay. The show followed the

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<v Speaker 2>training and careers of children in dance under Abby Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Miller and followed them on the Abbey Lee Dance Company

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<v Speaker 2>Junior Elite competition team as they learned and competed. The

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<v Speaker 2>best part was all the mums fighting with each other

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<v Speaker 2>and fighting with Abby and they're like, why did you

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<v Speaker 2>give that solo to that dancer. My kid is better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so I just want your mother to quit

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<v Speaker 1>speaking for you. You're fifteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Grow the hell up. You know what, you shut the

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<v Speaker 2>hell up. No, did you just sit here and say

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<v Speaker 2>that my daughter looks miserable, so maybe we should put

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<v Speaker 2>kilany in her place? Said yes, you most certainly. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't dang that lesson. I said, brook girls out

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<v Speaker 2>the room. In the years since the show, Miller has

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<v Speaker 2>been criticized for her toxic and abusive teaching methods. She

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<v Speaker 2>shamed young girls for their weight. She did things like

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<v Speaker 2>making them dance with the sack of potatoes and then

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<v Speaker 2>saying that's how it'll feel if you put on five pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>She named their stomachs like, gave them like nicknames. She

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<v Speaker 2>mocked contestants, and she was generally just very very cruel.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the stick. She's also been accused by past

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<v Speaker 2>contestants of being racist, with a mom from the show

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<v Speaker 2>calling her and her daughter's experience traumatic like she loves

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<v Speaker 2>having like a storyline for a kid who happened to

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<v Speaker 2>be a person of color, where it's like, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>from the slums whatever, playing into racist stereotypes. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>made some very poor decisions. One episode of the show

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<v Speaker 2>called Topless show Girls no longer appears on streaming services

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<v Speaker 2>because it made the children, the little girls appear topless

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<v Speaker 2>with like nude tops, and people went, actually, that ain't right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was talking to Mum about this recently

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<v Speaker 2>with dancing, because I look at my little girl. We

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<v Speaker 2>put the wiggles on and she bounces excitedly, so dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>She's got the music in her right. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the appeal of dance. It's great exercise and

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<v Speaker 2>it's great expression. Level of that. What I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>is why we have to hump chairs because it happens

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly, so quickly from wiggles hot Potatoto to humping chairs.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we're in leotards with our bottoms hanging out,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are four years old, and we are four

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<v Speaker 2>years old, and we are wearing lip liner and we

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<v Speaker 2>do have eyelashes on. It's like, how is that related

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<v Speaker 2>to the dance. Why can't we dance to Dorothy the Dinas? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just dressed them all up as dinosaurs. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the humping of the chair line yeah, or

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<v Speaker 2>the topless show girls, or the let's chuck a pole

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<v Speaker 2>in there and get them to gyrate that. I go,

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<v Speaker 2>this feels sexualized. Yeah, it does. In twenty sixteen, Abby

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<v Speaker 2>Lee then pled guilty to concealing her income from her

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<v Speaker 2>performances on the show in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>bankruptcy fraud, concealment of bankruptcy assets, and false bankruptcy declarations.

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<v Speaker 2>So she spent a year and one day in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, do you think she thris she's a

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<v Speaker 2>literal criminal and also like a cultural criminal. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like if I was in prison and Abbylee walked in,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, I don't endorse what you did. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you teach me that? I'd be like, take me a trick,

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<v Speaker 2>scream at me like you scream it. Jojo. This year,

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<v Speaker 2>during a Dance Mum's reunion, when past contestants were expressing

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<v Speaker 2>their distress over their experiences under Abby, Jojo defended her.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, to me, Abby was always right. One thing

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned really working insane and Hollywood is that's normal,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's scary that that's normal. But that taught me

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<v Speaker 2>how to survive in the industry. So basically, she was

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<v Speaker 2>saying to all the girls who were saying, oh, my

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<v Speaker 2>self esteem, my life trajectory was negatively affected by this

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<v Speaker 2>woman who relentlessly yelled at me as a child. Jojo

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, Mmm, yeah, but like tough enough, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what the industry is. Yeah, well that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>M M.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd also like to enter into the courtroom JoJo's vibe

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<v Speaker 2>on Dance Moms Okay as a ten year old. In

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<v Speaker 2>one episode, Jojo is a guest performer and she's replacing Maddie.

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<v Speaker 2>Maddie has to do some work with Sea Ah. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Abby misses JoJo's performance. So JoJo's performing at a competition.

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<v Speaker 2>Abby is late. Jojo went first. JoJo's mum leans forward

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<v Speaker 2>in the row where she's watching from and says, Abby,

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<v Speaker 2>just so you know, I'm really disappointed that you miss

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<v Speaker 2>JoJo's performance because she worked really hard for that performance.

0:14:39.029 --> 0:14:42.069
<v Speaker 2>Then Abby gives all the dances a talk and says,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't be looking for me in the audience because

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<v Speaker 2>I might not be there. And Jojo I'd say, she yells,

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel bad you miss me? Because I'm your

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<v Speaker 2>special guest. Abby tells JoJo's mom that she's creating a one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very that, it's very Jojo talking back really and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then she goes she's got her mouth on her.

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<v Speaker 2>She gets sent out and her mom says, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go in and apologize so that you can still

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<v Speaker 2>be part of the show. And then she's like, you're

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<v Speaker 2>better than her. Jojo Ah bet ah, Yeah, so Jojo.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the feedback for Jojo was you're a star.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got all the energy you need to listen. Okay

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<v Speaker 2>for you're listening as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there's a lot of talking back her hair bow range.

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<v Speaker 2>When Jojo left Ounce Mums, she got a manager who

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<v Speaker 2>basically said, you are meant to be a star. Whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you want, I will make it happen. And so she

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<v Speaker 2>got her a Nickelodeon deal and then that led to

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of merch and an article Informs from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty interviews Jojo and she says there are five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred Nickelodeon employees worldwide that support the Jojo brand. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't be present in every business meeting because they're probably

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<v Speaker 2>having three Jojo meetings right now. People in Hong Kong

0:16:08.749 --> 0:16:12.429
<v Speaker 2>are probably having Jojo met. People in Australia are probably

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<v Speaker 2>having Jojo meeting because it's such a huge franchise. I

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<v Speaker 2>probably spend most of my time with Jojo toys. They

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<v Speaker 2>are the biggest seller. How old was she when she

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<v Speaker 2>was saying this, Like teens? Like seventeen eighteen? Okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the biggest seller, followed by accessories, apparel and then bedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoes are included in apparel. Walmart just placed their biggest

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<v Speaker 2>shoe by ever. It was for over one million pairs

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<v Speaker 2>of JoJo's shoes. That can't be good. They just can't

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<v Speaker 2>be good for your head. It can't be good for landfill.

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<v Speaker 2>But like for Jojo, as a human who's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>manage an ego, we just need to not be telling

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo there's one million JoJo's shoes with her face on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and little girls are sleeping with Jojo in their bed Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it's good for us and out

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of our place in the world. Her biggest seller

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<v Speaker 2>of all time has been her those I think I

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<v Speaker 2>remember the bows, she said in this interview. It all

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<v Speaker 2>started with the bows. So far we've sold over eighty million.

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<v Speaker 2>What I look like I'm going to look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>They're huge and colorful and sometimes bedazzled. I like a bow.

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<v Speaker 2>The pricing ranges from five dollars to sixteen dollars a bow.

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<v Speaker 2>So this In this Forbes article, they did a conservative

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<v Speaker 2>estimate which was four hundred million dollars generated by bow

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<v Speaker 2>sales alone, like multicolored, Yeah yeah, every color? Yeap, got it.

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<v Speaker 2>She's on the record is describing her bows as a

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<v Speaker 2>symbol of power. Confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't a word but believing.

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<v Speaker 2>This, believing. Sometimes something's just a bow, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>about believing this. In twenty sixteen, she released a line

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<v Speaker 2>of hair bows in collaboration with Clare's you know that

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<v Speaker 2>fashion and jewelry accessory companies Europe, maybe America too. Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The line of hair bows was particularly successful among primary

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<v Speaker 2>school students in the UK yep. So successful that so

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<v Speaker 2>many schools had to actively ban them because they breached

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<v Speaker 2>the uniform policy, too colorful to be and also because,

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<v Speaker 2>as one head teacher told the BBC, they're distracting. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>they are. They're enormous, so practically a hat. Apparently, they

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<v Speaker 2>also caused issues with peer pressure and students' concentration on

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<v Speaker 2>and not being able to see the ball. No, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're sitting in the back of the classroom and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't see over my bows. On a mum's net

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<v Speaker 2>forum discussing the bows, one mum told of how her

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<v Speaker 2>ten year old daughter spent all of her Christmas and

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<v Speaker 2>Birthday money over one hundred pounds on bows. She said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tempted to chop them all to pieces in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the night and claim ignorance. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>one mum told The Daily Mail she felt the schools

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<v Speaker 2>were treating the bows like guns by banning them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Another head teacher said, we have a massive curriculum now

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<v Speaker 2>in primary schools and there simply is no time for

0:19:04.069 --> 0:19:09.829
<v Speaker 2>added distractions like this. Then, in twenty nineteen, Claire's recalled

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo Siwa branded makeup kit after the FDA issued a

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<v Speaker 2>warning about it containing dangerous levels of ASBESTA. The practical

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<v Speaker 2>users of asbestos are very numerous, Joji, how did we

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<v Speaker 2>get asbestos now to make up something to do with

0:19:28.789 --> 0:19:31.589
<v Speaker 2>talc I actually went quite far. There were quite a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of products that got recalled, but Jojo had to

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<v Speaker 2>an apology and she said, even if you started to

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<v Speaker 2>use it even whatever you return it, you get your

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<v Speaker 2>money back. Because it has you shouldn't you shouldn't keep

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<v Speaker 2>using it. He's asbestos maker. And that's why I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not blaming Jojo, but this is why we go

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<v Speaker 2>to our meetings m because when they're like, we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>a vote today on whether we put we sprinkle a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of asbestos in our makeup. Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably wouldn't have even known that was bad. Yeah,

0:19:58.749 --> 0:20:02.429
<v Speaker 2>she would have been like, does it cost anything? A

0:20:02.509 --> 0:20:05.989
<v Speaker 2>little girl just as a monkey. In twenty twenty, Jojo

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<v Speaker 2>was accused of having white dancer Lilliana Ketchman in blackface

0:20:11.589 --> 0:20:14.389
<v Speaker 2>in her circus themed music video for a song called

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<v Speaker 2>non Stop Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>In their.

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<v Speaker 2>Naked chat Jesse, here are the stills from that film clip.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me what you see? Yeah, I mean she's got

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<v Speaker 2>black face. That is a child who has painted their

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<v Speaker 2>face brown. She's doing a trick, but she's very much

0:20:38.349 --> 0:20:41.909
<v Speaker 2>painted her face brown. But she's painted her face brown

0:20:42.269 --> 0:20:45.069
<v Speaker 2>clearly to be a monkey. I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>makes it better or worse. No, because the edge is

0:20:48.469 --> 0:20:50.909
<v Speaker 2>going in yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's another one. She's

0:20:50.949 --> 0:20:53.309
<v Speaker 2>also doing a trick. But you can clearly see we

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<v Speaker 2>just don't paint our face brown in George Floyd. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>yeap no yeah too recent. The video was released on

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<v Speaker 2>June teenth, a holiday commemorating the effective end of slavery

0:21:06.189 --> 0:21:10.469
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. Incredible timing. Great. When people called

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<v Speaker 2>it out, Jojo turned off YouTube comments and posted to Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>this is for all the people I block today. Peace out,

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<v Speaker 2>girl scout. This is my Instagram and anyone who is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be mean is not going to be allowed

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<v Speaker 2>on here. People are bossing me around, telling me who

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<v Speaker 2>to follow, what to post, what to like, what to say,

0:21:27.709 --> 0:21:31.789
<v Speaker 2>what to do, everything what. So She's like, stuff all

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<v Speaker 2>of you, and it's like, that's what happens when you're

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<v Speaker 2>told you're a star from the age of like eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and the people in Hong Kong are having meetings about Jojo.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm you doing yeah yeah, and people call me

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<v Speaker 2>down take on feedback. We don't take on feedback. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>America's got talent. Controversy girl group X. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know how to say this, and I was so unaware

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<v Speaker 2>of this and to I researched it for this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>X OMG pop exclamation mark. Yeah They were originally formed

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<v Speaker 2>by Jojo Sewa and her mum, jesse Lynne, on their

0:22:07.549 --> 0:22:12.069
<v Speaker 2>reality TV show Seawards Dance in twenty twenty one. I

0:22:12.149 --> 0:22:15.709
<v Speaker 2>cannot explain how many shows this family have been evolved in.

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<v Speaker 2>Does she have a dad? I've not really heard about dad. Okay,

0:22:18.749 --> 0:22:21.989
<v Speaker 2>So her dad is Tom Okay, happens to be a chiropractor.

0:22:22.389 --> 0:22:27.109
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a lot of her dance moves are adjustments. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So they put together this group and then that group

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<v Speaker 2>go on to compete on America's Got Talent. But in

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<v Speaker 2>March twenty twenty four, an article released by Rolling Stone

0:22:37.509 --> 0:22:41.709
<v Speaker 2>accused the Sea was of creating a hostile work environment.

0:22:42.309 --> 0:22:46.149
<v Speaker 2>Leah Sanderson, who has Spina biffitter, was part of the

0:22:46.269 --> 0:22:49.429
<v Speaker 2>original lineup of the group, and she said she was

0:22:49.549 --> 0:22:53.189
<v Speaker 2>fired after her mum, Angie, raised her concerns about the

0:22:53.269 --> 0:22:56.069
<v Speaker 2>treatment of her daughter and the members of the group.

0:22:56.389 --> 0:22:59.029
<v Speaker 2>With the other mothers as well as a studio teacher.

0:22:59.789 --> 0:23:03.029
<v Speaker 2>Sources said that jesse Lynn was overtly cruel to the

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<v Speaker 2>group and shamed one member for having a disability, and

0:23:06.509 --> 0:23:10.869
<v Speaker 2>accused Jojo of being nasty and domineering, even claiming she

0:23:11.029 --> 0:23:14.949
<v Speaker 2>screamed insults at the girls during a performance, Jojo, We're

0:23:15.029 --> 0:23:18.349
<v Speaker 2>taking after Abby again. It's like I'm controlled energy. Mm.

0:23:18.709 --> 0:23:20.069
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't know where to put it. How she yells

0:23:20.069 --> 0:23:25.229
<v Speaker 2>at random? Yeah. Jojo denied the allegations she would Yeah,

0:23:25.429 --> 0:23:27.509
<v Speaker 2>but she hasn't said anything else. And I guess this

0:23:27.709 --> 0:23:33.549
<v Speaker 2>is kind of herm is that she just totally ignores

0:23:33.589 --> 0:23:37.189
<v Speaker 2>and doesn't say anything because she's like criticism. Huh. I'm

0:23:37.309 --> 0:23:40.949
<v Speaker 2>jo Jos of my bedding, Karma and relatedly, the promotion

0:23:41.069 --> 0:23:45.069
<v Speaker 2>of Karma. In April this year, Jojo released her debut

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<v Speaker 2>single as a grown up artist, Colma, I was a

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<v Speaker 2>bad girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I did some bad thos. I swear I did it

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<v Speaker 1>off for fun and knit nursing it never have.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only is the song appalling, but the film clip

0:24:00.229 --> 0:24:03.069
<v Speaker 2>is hypersexual and just very strange. Yeah all right, so

0:24:03.189 --> 0:24:06.589
<v Speaker 2>let's just ender some vibes, okay, So come as a bitch.

0:24:07.309 --> 0:24:13.989
<v Speaker 2>I should. And the dance is severely lacking in tricks.

0:24:14.109 --> 0:24:17.869
<v Speaker 2>The dance is a series sharp movements that will do

0:24:18.149 --> 0:24:22.469
<v Speaker 2>your neck out too much. It's too much. The dance

0:24:22.549 --> 0:24:26.669
<v Speaker 2>needs to be real back twenty it's too much. It's

0:24:26.749 --> 0:24:28.549
<v Speaker 2>not good on the joints. And then it's kind of

0:24:28.629 --> 0:24:32.389
<v Speaker 2>like there's a jump in there, and it's not hot.

0:24:32.749 --> 0:24:35.469
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make you look good. It doesn't have any rhythm.

0:24:35.909 --> 0:24:38.269
<v Speaker 2>It's just bam bam, bam, bam bam, which brings us

0:24:38.309 --> 0:24:44.989
<v Speaker 2>to the esthetic, which is just kiss the band kiss.

0:24:45.029 --> 0:24:47.309
<v Speaker 2>But it's a lightning thing on her on her face,

0:24:47.349 --> 0:24:49.789
<v Speaker 2>and she's wearing kind of black leather as though she

0:24:50.629 --> 0:24:54.989
<v Speaker 2>vented it. But that's just you just stole it. Promoting

0:24:55.069 --> 0:24:58.069
<v Speaker 2>the single, she said in an interview with Billboard, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to start a new genre of music. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>gay pop. People got really mad. Is she gay? Yes?

0:25:05.869 --> 0:25:08.469
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding? Have you seen the film clip that

0:25:08.549 --> 0:25:11.589
<v Speaker 2>it starts with her hum being a girl? Yeah? No,

0:25:11.709 --> 0:25:14.789
<v Speaker 2>I did say I didn't know. I didn't know, Okay, Okay,

0:25:14.909 --> 0:25:17.349
<v Speaker 2>something interesting about the film clip is, and people have

0:25:17.389 --> 0:25:21.829
<v Speaker 2>commented on this, she loves to dance about her sexuality.

0:25:22.149 --> 0:25:24.909
<v Speaker 2>She loves humping, humping, dry humping. Well, she went to

0:25:26.269 --> 0:25:31.109
<v Speaker 2>she is, but there's no kissing. Okay, it's like hyper

0:25:31.189 --> 0:25:34.309
<v Speaker 2>sexualized without like the kind of tiny well, I mean

0:25:34.349 --> 0:25:35.589
<v Speaker 2>that's very a dance it is.

0:25:35.789 --> 0:25:35.989
<v Speaker 3>It is.

0:25:36.269 --> 0:25:38.429
<v Speaker 2>It's very a dance school because you kind of learn,

0:25:39.189 --> 0:25:42.189
<v Speaker 2>you learn splits, you learn pirouette and you learn as

0:25:42.189 --> 0:25:44.789
<v Speaker 2>a forementioned tump in a chair, so you've got three

0:25:44.869 --> 0:25:47.229
<v Speaker 2>moves in your epertoire And in order to do her

0:25:47.269 --> 0:25:50.869
<v Speaker 2>film clip, she was like, a hump, I'll do a jump.

0:25:51.029 --> 0:25:54.229
<v Speaker 2>She does this awful jump with like bent legs. It

0:25:54.429 --> 0:26:00.269
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't look right. It looks like it's so bad anyway.

0:26:00.989 --> 0:26:03.669
<v Speaker 2>So there's never been a gay popeye Conboy. People got

0:26:03.709 --> 0:26:05.789
<v Speaker 2>really upset about her saying she was inventing a John

0:26:05.829 --> 0:26:10.749
<v Speaker 2>recalled gay George, Michael, George, Michael, Elton John, just so many.

0:26:11.429 --> 0:26:14.549
<v Speaker 2>Then there was backlash from queer musicians Teagan and Sarah,

0:26:14.909 --> 0:26:17.189
<v Speaker 2>who did a video being like, I don't think they

0:26:17.229 --> 0:26:19.469
<v Speaker 2>even said anything, but it was just that audio, and

0:26:19.509 --> 0:26:23.509
<v Speaker 2>then being like you feel serious because they massive, yeah,

0:26:23.749 --> 0:26:28.069
<v Speaker 2>massive queer pop a while ago. See what said in

0:26:28.109 --> 0:26:30.909
<v Speaker 2>the later interview, I am not the inventor of gay

0:26:31.029 --> 0:26:33.989
<v Speaker 2>pop for sure not I might not be the president,

0:26:34.229 --> 0:26:37.629
<v Speaker 2>but I might be the CEO or the CMO. She

0:26:37.709 --> 0:26:40.229
<v Speaker 2>also then went on a tangent about like what I

0:26:40.309 --> 0:26:42.709
<v Speaker 2>meant was like, gay pop isn't a genre like blues

0:26:43.469 --> 0:26:45.869
<v Speaker 2>or wrap, and it's like, yeah, that's because it's you

0:26:45.989 --> 0:26:49.509
<v Speaker 2>have four hundred people working for you. Why doesn't anyone

0:26:49.629 --> 0:26:53.589
<v Speaker 2>brief you on like a line on what to say

0:26:53.709 --> 0:26:56.669
<v Speaker 2>in an interview, what not to say? We rehearse, you

0:26:56.749 --> 0:26:59.149
<v Speaker 2>know how hard you rehearse those dances? Because I did

0:26:59.309 --> 0:27:03.069
<v Speaker 2>not ask my TikTok algorithm to show me. I've every

0:27:03.189 --> 0:27:06.549
<v Speaker 2>rehearsal of you doing your Karma dance and I must stay. Actually,

0:27:06.709 --> 0:27:10.989
<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking this, this is an incredible launch, like

0:27:11.149 --> 0:27:14.829
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the publicity, in terms it's incredible in

0:27:14.949 --> 0:27:19.669
<v Speaker 2>terms of quantity. Quantity, Yes, the girl goes hard on quantity.

0:27:19.909 --> 0:27:24.229
<v Speaker 2>She was on call her daddy. The song hasn't done

0:27:24.989 --> 0:27:27.509
<v Speaker 2>well in terms of things. I want to cancel Jojo

0:27:27.549 --> 0:27:29.429
<v Speaker 2>Force okay, because this is what I was confused about,

0:27:29.629 --> 0:27:31.789
<v Speaker 2>is according to the world, that song of them performing,

0:27:31.909 --> 0:27:36.549
<v Speaker 2>according to Jojo Si was TikTok. That song was the

0:27:36.669 --> 0:27:40.669
<v Speaker 2>best was performing song ever created, which same with my

0:27:40.829 --> 0:27:47.349
<v Speaker 2>inst with everyone's Instagram. Yes, but when that song came out,

0:27:47.429 --> 0:27:50.429
<v Speaker 2>she said something that sounded like when I wrote Karma,

0:27:50.589 --> 0:27:53.189
<v Speaker 2>but not those exact words, and then everybody got mad

0:27:53.549 --> 0:27:56.149
<v Speaker 2>because they were like, you didn't write it. This other artist,

0:27:56.309 --> 0:28:01.349
<v Speaker 2>brit somebody had already released it. And what happens in

0:28:01.429 --> 0:28:04.549
<v Speaker 2>pop music is like this Brit person never properly released it,

0:28:04.669 --> 0:28:06.309
<v Speaker 2>so it kind of goes back into the pool. And

0:28:06.389 --> 0:28:08.709
<v Speaker 2>then Jojo picked it out and she's like, I never

0:28:08.789 --> 0:28:12.269
<v Speaker 2>said that I wrote it, which her language was careful. Anyway,

0:28:12.749 --> 0:28:16.629
<v Speaker 2>people got so mad at Jojo for saying she wrote

0:28:16.669 --> 0:28:21.109
<v Speaker 2>it that the brit version of Karma was higher in

0:28:21.189 --> 0:28:24.669
<v Speaker 2>the charts than JoJo's version. The internet just trolls her back. Yeah,

0:28:24.749 --> 0:28:28.869
<v Speaker 2>I just troll her back. She also criticized online culture

0:28:29.349 --> 0:28:31.029
<v Speaker 2>when she was getting some of the backlash for this,

0:28:31.149 --> 0:28:33.589
<v Speaker 2>saying I could say I want well peace and everyone

0:28:33.589 --> 0:28:35.509
<v Speaker 2>would be like, how dare you want peace for the world?

0:28:35.749 --> 0:28:39.629
<v Speaker 2>It'll blow up in her defense, yes, that is culture,

0:28:40.469 --> 0:28:43.709
<v Speaker 2>but also you're saying some weird things. You're saying some

0:28:43.789 --> 0:28:48.309
<v Speaker 2>weird things, Jesse. Here are a couple of my favorite

0:28:48.829 --> 0:28:52.589
<v Speaker 2>interview clips from her. I'd call it a promotional tour,

0:28:52.669 --> 0:28:55.509
<v Speaker 2>which let's remember she's not promoting an album, She's promoting

0:28:55.629 --> 0:28:58.429
<v Speaker 2>a single, Okay, And this is what people in the

0:28:58.469 --> 0:29:01.629
<v Speaker 2>music industry will tell you, less making music, more promotion. Yeah,

0:29:01.629 --> 0:29:03.229
<v Speaker 2>and she has heard that message loud and clear.

0:29:03.349 --> 0:29:06.589
<v Speaker 1>No one has made this dramatic of a change yet,

0:29:06.869 --> 0:29:11.109
<v Speaker 1>no one has made in my generation, there's dream of

0:29:11.189 --> 0:29:14.109
<v Speaker 1>a switch and I am the first of the generation.

0:29:14.309 --> 0:29:15.669
<v Speaker 1>It is very scary, but.

0:29:16.869 --> 0:29:20.629
<v Speaker 2>Was gonna do it. She reminds me of my administration

0:29:20.829 --> 0:29:26.149
<v Speaker 2>has accomplished more than almost any administration. She has the same,

0:29:26.229 --> 0:29:28.949
<v Speaker 2>and she has Tom Trumper. I mean it lovingly, which

0:29:29.069 --> 0:29:35.349
<v Speaker 2>is but it's like audacity, audacity and delusion. Miley Cyrus,

0:29:35.509 --> 0:29:40.269
<v Speaker 2>for example, is someone who made an incredible transformation mana.

0:29:40.509 --> 0:29:43.789
<v Speaker 2>She didn't say that. No one says that. No one

0:29:43.829 --> 0:29:46.029
<v Speaker 2>says that. But then she said of my generation, I'm like, oh,

0:29:46.229 --> 0:29:50.109
<v Speaker 2>you are twenty one, like something else is in her generation. Yeah,

0:29:50.909 --> 0:29:53.269
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know, but it just it's a

0:29:53.389 --> 0:29:55.949
<v Speaker 2>weird thing to say, Honey, we need to again twenty

0:29:55.989 --> 0:29:57.349
<v Speaker 2>five percent less always.

0:29:57.989 --> 0:30:01.149
<v Speaker 1>And I started doing music, and honestly, we started off

0:30:01.269 --> 0:30:05.789
<v Speaker 1>like pretty pretty calm, like nothing like nothing like what's

0:30:05.869 --> 0:30:09.189
<v Speaker 1>up right now? And then I got pitched this song

0:30:09.349 --> 0:30:13.069
<v Speaker 1>Coma and it's the first word is iur was a

0:30:13.189 --> 0:30:15.429
<v Speaker 1>bad girl And I was like, oh fuck, it's a

0:30:15.469 --> 0:30:17.109
<v Speaker 1>good song. I was like, but I can't say that.

0:30:17.349 --> 0:30:19.349
<v Speaker 1>I can't say I'm a bad girl. I'm not. I

0:30:19.469 --> 0:30:22.189
<v Speaker 1>sang every Girl's a super girl last week, like I

0:30:22.269 --> 0:30:23.629
<v Speaker 1>can't sing I was a bad girl this week.

0:30:23.629 --> 0:30:26.989
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work, Jesse. That's from her her daddy. Yeah,

0:30:27.389 --> 0:30:30.949
<v Speaker 2>I think I listened to the whole thing and she

0:30:31.189 --> 0:30:35.789
<v Speaker 2>was what did she wearing in that interview with the

0:30:35.909 --> 0:30:38.469
<v Speaker 2>friend of that with the Remember when we were in

0:30:38.589 --> 0:30:42.909
<v Speaker 2>high school and you would get doorbeads, doorbeats were disgusting

0:30:42.989 --> 0:30:48.869
<v Speaker 2>by the ways at and it's like this is distracting

0:30:49.029 --> 0:30:51.909
<v Speaker 2>and no one says anything. It's just the whole time.

0:30:52.669 --> 0:30:56.149
<v Speaker 2>But it's the earnestness. She's like, you know the lyrics

0:30:56.229 --> 0:31:01.509
<v Speaker 2>were You think that she's gonna say something outrage but

0:31:01.589 --> 0:31:04.309
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I can't. I wasn't a bad girl. I

0:31:04.509 --> 0:31:10.349
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a bad gral. She's like, I was eighteen, I

0:31:10.469 --> 0:31:13.349
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a bad girl. But now I'm twenty one and

0:31:13.429 --> 0:31:16.869
<v Speaker 2>it's like, whoa jojo? What have you done? Your hair down?

0:31:17.589 --> 0:31:21.029
<v Speaker 2>Taking it at your bones. It's very easy to mark.

0:31:21.909 --> 0:31:23.989
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's a word in the English language

0:31:25.429 --> 0:31:31.869
<v Speaker 2>for jojo energy. It's such confidence in yourself.

0:31:32.789 --> 0:31:33.069
<v Speaker 1>It is.

0:31:33.589 --> 0:31:35.909
<v Speaker 2>It's a generation that grew up on believe in yourself

0:31:36.109 --> 0:31:38.589
<v Speaker 2>and that's all you need to do. It's like when

0:31:38.629 --> 0:31:42.789
<v Speaker 2>they talk about themselves, tears come to their eyes. They

0:31:42.829 --> 0:31:46.349
<v Speaker 2>are over there come. They're moved by themselves and their

0:31:46.389 --> 0:31:49.749
<v Speaker 2>own talent. Yeah, and brilliant and success. Yeah, cancel, listeners.

0:31:49.789 --> 0:31:52.189
<v Speaker 2>Can you help us think of a word? Yeah, we

0:31:52.309 --> 0:31:54.789
<v Speaker 2>need to add a new word to the dictionary. That

0:31:55.149 --> 0:31:57.829
<v Speaker 2>is jojo and also Donald Trump.

0:31:57.589 --> 0:31:58.829
<v Speaker 1>I am the first of the generation.

0:31:59.109 --> 0:32:03.629
<v Speaker 2>Nobody can do it like me? Nobody? Yes, my podcast,

0:32:04.909 --> 0:32:05.149
<v Speaker 2>Oh my.

0:32:05.229 --> 0:32:08.229
<v Speaker 1>Gosh, I mean, honestly, let's myst think that one of

0:32:08.229 --> 0:32:08.709
<v Speaker 1>my exes.

0:32:09.189 --> 0:32:16.269
<v Speaker 2>Oh, dream yes on my podcast on my exites all now,

0:32:16.389 --> 0:32:22.469
<v Speaker 2>I have said that sentence so many times. Dream guess

0:32:22.589 --> 0:32:26.109
<v Speaker 2>on my podcast one. Why does she sound like two

0:32:26.149 --> 0:32:30.109
<v Speaker 2>things smoking for fifty years? It's not. It's like Selma

0:32:30.429 --> 0:32:34.269
<v Speaker 2>from the Simpsons. What are their names? Marge's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:32:34.349 --> 0:32:39.269
<v Speaker 2>she sounds like them. He's wearing pain, which is interesting

0:32:39.309 --> 0:32:42.349
<v Speaker 2>because her instrument is her voice and she doesn't take

0:32:42.389 --> 0:32:45.189
<v Speaker 2>care of it. The vocal friars out of this world, Yes,

0:32:45.869 --> 0:32:48.549
<v Speaker 2>one of my axes. All. It's a way that she's

0:32:48.749 --> 0:32:51.789
<v Speaker 2>so like can you believe her? And it's like you

0:32:51.989 --> 0:32:55.749
<v Speaker 2>said it and she turns around and she's like, oh

0:32:56.189 --> 0:32:58.509
<v Speaker 2>that's okay. She just thinks she's so cool and chilled

0:32:58.549 --> 0:33:01.749
<v Speaker 2>out and relaxed. Yes, like she's just said something candid.

0:33:01.789 --> 0:33:04.869
<v Speaker 2>It's like she's writing the headline as she says it. Yeah,

0:33:05.069 --> 0:33:08.429
<v Speaker 2>like Joel d said it, and it's like, but what

0:33:08.589 --> 0:33:12.549
<v Speaker 2>you've said isn't even a very unusual thing to say.

0:33:12.589 --> 0:33:16.229
<v Speaker 2>It's not particularly interesting, and you've added too much energy

0:33:16.309 --> 0:33:21.029
<v Speaker 2>to it. You know. People say like it's confidence instead

0:33:21.069 --> 0:33:25.389
<v Speaker 2>of competence or something like it. Your confidence is masking

0:33:25.989 --> 0:33:32.269
<v Speaker 2>a lack of substance. Substance beneath speaking of confidence, did

0:33:32.349 --> 0:33:36.029
<v Speaker 2>you know that she got the eye makeup that she

0:33:36.189 --> 0:33:40.909
<v Speaker 2>had at the iHeart Radio Awards that were fled stop

0:33:40.989 --> 0:33:43.869
<v Speaker 2>it stopid she just werves free there. It's the same

0:33:43.909 --> 0:33:46.629
<v Speaker 2>eye makeup and costume that she wears in the film

0:33:46.669 --> 0:33:50.629
<v Speaker 2>clip for Karma. Anyway, she got that tattooed on her forearm. Oh,

0:33:50.749 --> 0:33:53.789
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna regret that. We're gonna regret that, Jojo. This

0:33:53.949 --> 0:33:55.869
<v Speaker 2>is why we need to do things in arms. Yeah,

0:33:56.269 --> 0:33:58.029
<v Speaker 2>we just need to be a little bit more half

0:33:58.109 --> 0:34:09.469
<v Speaker 2>hearted with what we put out into the world. Jesse.

0:34:09.629 --> 0:34:12.069
<v Speaker 2>Here are some of the reactions to Karma. I want

0:34:12.149 --> 0:34:15.109
<v Speaker 2>you to read them all right, tell me why I

0:34:15.309 --> 0:34:18.109
<v Speaker 2>just watched Jojo Sewa's music video, and she was humping

0:34:18.149 --> 0:34:20.469
<v Speaker 2>the girl so harshly. I have tears. I'm embarrassed in

0:34:20.509 --> 0:34:23.269
<v Speaker 2>this community. That video should have stayed in the drafts.

0:34:23.429 --> 0:34:25.949
<v Speaker 2>Yeah correct, Yeah, okay, here we go. The film clip

0:34:26.109 --> 0:34:29.469
<v Speaker 2>is just I don't think she's very good at cory. Yeah.

0:34:29.629 --> 0:34:31.669
<v Speaker 2>I reckon that. If Abby Lee teaches her a dance,

0:34:31.669 --> 0:34:33.949
<v Speaker 2>I think she can pull it off. I don't think

0:34:34.029 --> 0:34:37.309
<v Speaker 2>she's a choreographer. Okay. I need everyone to know. The

0:34:37.429 --> 0:34:40.989
<v Speaker 2>label told Jojo sewat no on the budget to create

0:34:41.069 --> 0:34:43.549
<v Speaker 2>this music video, so she paid for the entire thing herself,

0:34:43.629 --> 0:34:46.309
<v Speaker 2>co directed it, and co choreographed it. She talks quite

0:34:46.349 --> 0:34:48.629
<v Speaker 2>emotionally about how she had the concept for this video

0:34:49.349 --> 0:34:51.509
<v Speaker 2>two years ago, and then you're like, oh my gosh,

0:34:51.589 --> 0:34:53.309
<v Speaker 2>what is the concept? What's it trying to say? It's

0:34:54.429 --> 0:35:00.229
<v Speaker 2>you are dressed as cussed on an island. Yeah, yeah,

0:35:00.349 --> 0:35:03.989
<v Speaker 2>throwing your neck out. Get that Jojo Sewar video off

0:35:04.109 --> 0:35:06.949
<v Speaker 2>my timeline. I'm begging. I feel exactly the same, because

0:35:06.989 --> 0:35:09.949
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just the music video. It was then everywhere

0:35:10.189 --> 0:35:12.349
<v Speaker 2>Joe goes, She's like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna

0:35:12.389 --> 0:35:15.269
<v Speaker 2>do it. Everyone's like, please, don't you can surprise she's

0:35:15.309 --> 0:35:18.949
<v Speaker 2>a pride and everyone's like, she's doing it. There's one

0:35:19.029 --> 0:35:22.349
<v Speaker 2>in I think Times Square there's like and I'm just like, Jojo,

0:35:23.549 --> 0:35:26.669
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna hate yourself because she slams too hard. And

0:35:26.749 --> 0:35:29.589
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're young now, but your ankles can't handle it.

0:35:29.669 --> 0:35:34.029
<v Speaker 2>Jojo me, that wasn't an earthquake. I was learning, Jojo,

0:35:34.109 --> 0:35:37.309
<v Speaker 2>see while coreography now. That was in response to there

0:35:37.469 --> 0:35:39.669
<v Speaker 2>was actually an earthquake, and there are a bunch of

0:35:39.749 --> 0:35:42.829
<v Speaker 2>tweets being like, not an earthquake, not an earthquake? A

0:35:42.869 --> 0:35:44.789
<v Speaker 2>show an earthquake. That got to Cooda Johnson drawing that

0:35:44.869 --> 0:35:49.949
<v Speaker 2>interview cranically was great. Question. Finally, Jojo, have you learned nothing?

0:35:50.709 --> 0:35:54.069
<v Speaker 2>There's a viral moment from Dance Mums where Jojo asks

0:35:54.149 --> 0:35:57.389
<v Speaker 2>a question and Abby yells at her. This is what

0:35:58.229 --> 0:35:59.309
<v Speaker 2>she says, don't you.

0:35:59.349 --> 0:36:00.549
<v Speaker 1>Know the order officellas?

0:36:02.869 --> 0:36:12.309
<v Speaker 2>Jojo, have you learned nothing? She's like, do you know

0:36:12.389 --> 0:36:18.429
<v Speaker 2>the order of the solos? Do you know the order

0:36:18.509 --> 0:36:20.469
<v Speaker 2>of the solos? The order that we're going in for

0:36:20.549 --> 0:36:24.869
<v Speaker 2>our solo for one? So she asks someone it's just

0:36:24.989 --> 0:36:30.189
<v Speaker 2>furious she wasn't, so she yelled, I have you learned?

0:36:30.229 --> 0:36:33.909
<v Speaker 2>Nothing is angry? It's this way.

0:36:35.829 --> 0:36:36.149
<v Speaker 1>Jojo.

0:36:37.429 --> 0:36:42.269
<v Speaker 2>She's so bad, she's so angry. People say, JoJo's face

0:36:42.349 --> 0:36:44.509
<v Speaker 2>is actually quite cute reaction to that, because she's not

0:36:44.669 --> 0:36:49.269
<v Speaker 2>ske she's just confused. She looks like a puppy. It's

0:36:49.309 --> 0:36:51.429
<v Speaker 2>the kind of scream you would do if your child

0:36:51.549 --> 0:36:56.389
<v Speaker 2>ran onto a highway and was really like their life

0:36:56.469 --> 0:36:58.229
<v Speaker 2>was in danger and you just had a second to

0:36:58.269 --> 0:37:03.829
<v Speaker 2>get them back. Jo asked the stupid question all the time.

0:37:04.469 --> 0:37:07.069
<v Speaker 2>But my point is now the internet is yelling the

0:37:07.149 --> 0:37:11.109
<v Speaker 2>same thing at Jojo because she's released other song. Oh

0:37:11.349 --> 0:37:14.229
<v Speaker 2>has she called Guilty Pleasure? Why have I not heard this?

0:37:14.309 --> 0:37:27.389
<v Speaker 2>Where's the publicity? Well, where's the publicity? Bit psure, it's

0:37:27.469 --> 0:37:31.469
<v Speaker 2>not different, it's not different, it's just sid on. What

0:37:31.669 --> 0:37:34.069
<v Speaker 2>she's done is she's re oriented the Karma dance to

0:37:34.189 --> 0:37:37.709
<v Speaker 2>face the side, and what it has is a lot

0:37:37.749 --> 0:37:39.509
<v Speaker 2>of what I'm going to term a stomp and clump,

0:37:40.389 --> 0:37:43.709
<v Speaker 2>which is when we're just stumping really, really hard, which

0:37:43.749 --> 0:37:46.349
<v Speaker 2>is I think what dances do when they're making up

0:37:46.429 --> 0:37:48.469
<v Speaker 2>for a lack of excitement in their routine is they

0:37:48.589 --> 0:37:51.149
<v Speaker 2>just stamp really hard. And I guess if you're Jojo.

0:37:51.229 --> 0:37:53.789
<v Speaker 2>You're known for your energy. You're known for your energy,

0:37:53.989 --> 0:37:59.109
<v Speaker 2>but we're lacking flips bridges, high kit. It's not enough, Jesse.

0:37:59.389 --> 0:38:02.789
<v Speaker 2>Here are the reactions. There needs to be like a

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<v Speaker 2>three year break between each song so we can recover mentally.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my for You page knew that I needed

0:38:09.269 --> 0:38:12.749
<v Speaker 2>a Jojo brak go No, it's okay, we won't. Someone's

0:38:12.749 --> 0:38:17.869
<v Speaker 2>written in capitals, Jojo, what's this? That's me? I think

0:38:17.989 --> 0:38:21.509
<v Speaker 2>my pleasure piece just shriveled up and died. True, yeah, sorry,

0:38:21.629 --> 0:38:25.869
<v Speaker 2>pleasure piece is part of the levy Okay. JoJo's biggest

0:38:25.989 --> 0:38:29.549
<v Speaker 2>fan is Jojo, and I do agree with that number.

0:38:29.589 --> 0:38:32.069
<v Speaker 2>Worry taken by that dance, and she's the one who

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<v Speaker 2>you know we need to make up of TikTok dance.

0:38:33.549 --> 0:38:35.189
<v Speaker 2>The idea is that it goes viral and them people

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<v Speaker 2>do it. I've not seen a single person catch on.

0:38:37.909 --> 0:38:41.269
<v Speaker 2>The only person I see do JoJo's dance is Jojo.

0:38:41.949 --> 0:38:45.269
<v Speaker 2>Poor people mocking. Nobody has been like all in earnest

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<v Speaker 2>learn this dance to look like Jojo, which could be

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<v Speaker 2>a genius PR strategy. Yeah, because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>have recreated it to laugh at it. It's hilarious. This

0:38:53.949 --> 0:38:56.909
<v Speaker 2>sounds like it would be in the Trolls franchise. I

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<v Speaker 2>quite like that. I think her songs generally do sound

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<v Speaker 2>like they'd be in the Trolls. I agree. There's something

0:39:03.869 --> 0:39:08.189
<v Speaker 2>you've missed, and I've realized actually worried because there's so

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<v Speaker 2>much with Jojo that I did worry i'd miss something.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one of the most viral Jojo Siwa videos ever.

0:39:16.189 --> 0:39:18.029
<v Speaker 2>And there's a counselble offense like it could be a

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<v Speaker 2>complete segment on its own. Okay, you need to watch

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<v Speaker 2>it at the same time because it's Jojo singing in

0:39:23.149 --> 0:39:26.589
<v Speaker 2>her car. Oh you know the video, right? Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>have an issue in that I deleted TikTok recently for

0:39:29.709 --> 0:39:33.829
<v Speaker 2>my mental health and it is making my career difficult. Continue,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, here we.

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<v Speaker 1>Go your sildrit.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to describe what JoJo's face looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so rad it's so red, she looks like she's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna pass out. And what's the caption? So I think

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<v Speaker 2>she put this on Snapchat and she said, I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's not perfect, but it's much better than how it

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<v Speaker 2>started exclamation mark. So she shared this to be like

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<v Speaker 2>come on give me, because the thing is she does

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<v Speaker 2>get criticized because people say she doesn't sing, she yells

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all been auto tuned, yes, And then when

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<v Speaker 2>people bring that up to her, she's like, I never

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<v Speaker 2>said I could sing, and it's like you released Carmak.

0:40:12.709 --> 0:40:14.469
<v Speaker 2>And then she did this in her car because she

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<v Speaker 2>was like trying to learn how to sing, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say she's tone deaf, but like she can't

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<v Speaker 2>hit yeah, no, no, no, she's missing the note. And

0:40:22.349 --> 0:40:25.829
<v Speaker 2>then she shared it and she's clearly she's pushing it

0:40:25.869 --> 0:40:28.189
<v Speaker 2>too hard. Yeah, which she can tell. She's not looking

0:40:28.229 --> 0:40:31.029
<v Speaker 2>after her vocals no at all, Jesse is time charges

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<v Speaker 2>and sentences my charge, Jess. The thing is that the

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<v Speaker 2>judges on Dance Mums they had it right when she

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<v Speaker 2>was ten, and it's simply that she's got too much

0:40:48.349 --> 0:40:52.789
<v Speaker 2>energy and there's not enough listening. What's funny about that

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<v Speaker 2>is I didn't know before Jojo came along. They're inner

0:40:56.309 --> 0:40:59.629
<v Speaker 2>dance context. You could have too much energy. What you

0:40:59.709 --> 0:41:01.989
<v Speaker 2>often get is there's not enough energy. Push it harder,

0:41:02.069 --> 0:41:03.429
<v Speaker 2>push it, push it, push it. Give her a one

0:41:03.509 --> 0:41:07.469
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten percent. I don't think we had ever

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<v Speaker 2>seen a hundred and ten percent until Jojo came along

0:41:10.669 --> 0:41:13.069
<v Speaker 2>and we went wind it too much. Wind it back

0:41:13.269 --> 0:41:16.269
<v Speaker 2>one hundred is enough. The other interesting thing about Jojo

0:41:16.549 --> 0:41:20.149
<v Speaker 2>is so abby. Lee said, she's a star when she's

0:41:20.189 --> 0:41:24.909
<v Speaker 2>on her own, when she dances with other people, she's

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<v Speaker 2>out at time. She's out of time. She is what

0:41:29.789 --> 0:41:32.189
<v Speaker 2>you say about her being out of time when she

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<v Speaker 2>performs karma on her own in times square, she's out

0:41:35.309 --> 0:41:38.149
<v Speaker 2>of time. Yeah, she's also out of time with her

0:41:38.189 --> 0:41:41.069
<v Speaker 2>own dance. Yes, it's just not quite right. So my

0:41:41.189 --> 0:41:43.709
<v Speaker 2>sentence is quite clear. We've said it a few times,

0:41:43.869 --> 0:41:47.789
<v Speaker 2>and it's just so incredibly obvious. Jojo, under one of

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<v Speaker 2>your bows, you've got a dial right of your levels

0:41:52.429 --> 0:41:54.389
<v Speaker 2>we need to wind and it is on the top

0:41:54.389 --> 0:41:57.269
<v Speaker 2>of her head. Yeah, under her ponytail. She's got the

0:41:57.309 --> 0:41:59.429
<v Speaker 2>look of someone who's tied her hair back tight for

0:41:59.509 --> 0:42:02.469
<v Speaker 2>a lot of diet yea to hide the dial. And

0:42:02.549 --> 0:42:05.349
<v Speaker 2>we're going to need to wind that dial back a

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<v Speaker 2>full twenty five percent, Jojo, h and not twenty four percent,

0:42:09.349 --> 0:42:12.389
<v Speaker 2>because we're still to be stomping if we need to

0:42:12.469 --> 0:42:15.949
<v Speaker 2>wind it twenty five percent and just some feedback more tricks.

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<v Speaker 2>Great Yeah, because there are some that need to be

0:42:18.189 --> 0:42:21.709
<v Speaker 2>wound up. We've said this about say Megan Markle could

0:42:21.749 --> 0:42:25.229
<v Speaker 2>probably up it a little, Yeah, we need I'm caring

0:42:25.269 --> 0:42:27.709
<v Speaker 2>midway through a New York and New Year's a performance

0:42:27.749 --> 0:42:28.869
<v Speaker 2>when she said I don't want to be here, I

0:42:28.909 --> 0:42:31.269
<v Speaker 2>want to be on holiday. Just wind it up a little, Okay.

0:42:31.349 --> 0:42:33.869
<v Speaker 2>The other thing with Jojo is she did a performance

0:42:33.909 --> 0:42:36.189
<v Speaker 2>a Pride that I saw, and she does a trick.

0:42:36.669 --> 0:42:40.109
<v Speaker 2>She jumps splits and then lands in the splits fabulous.

0:42:40.109 --> 0:42:41.629
<v Speaker 2>And then she's like, oh my god, can't believe I

0:42:41.709 --> 0:42:44.109
<v Speaker 2>did this. I can't even do the splits anymore. And

0:42:44.189 --> 0:42:47.229
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, One, you just did it, so that would

0:42:47.229 --> 0:42:50.389
<v Speaker 2>have hurt if you can't do it anymore. Two, Jojo,

0:42:50.469 --> 0:42:54.469
<v Speaker 2>why can't you do the slits anymore? Professional dancer? Spending

0:42:54.509 --> 0:42:56.549
<v Speaker 2>too much time on your bows and not enough time

0:42:56.589 --> 0:42:58.389
<v Speaker 2>on your dancing, and that's why there are enough tricks

0:42:58.389 --> 0:43:00.149
<v Speaker 2>because you can't do them anymore. Well, my charge is

0:43:00.229 --> 0:43:04.389
<v Speaker 2>related spending too much time on promotion, in fact, only promoting,

0:43:05.589 --> 0:43:08.309
<v Speaker 2>exclusively promoting. Yeah, so what she did is she sat

0:43:08.309 --> 0:43:12.109
<v Speaker 2>in the room with the Hong Kong office, the Australian office,

0:43:12.269 --> 0:43:15.149
<v Speaker 2>all the four hundred people at Nickelodeon. Question remark, question remark,

0:43:15.229 --> 0:43:18.629
<v Speaker 2>working for Jojo Sieber, and she went, we've done betting,

0:43:18.749 --> 0:43:22.589
<v Speaker 2>we've done bows. Now let's talk about the promotion for

0:43:22.709 --> 0:43:25.629
<v Speaker 2>my song Karma. And they went, what song Carma? And

0:43:25.749 --> 0:43:28.429
<v Speaker 2>she said, we'll get that's the n's meeting. Yeah, yea,

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're going to talk about the promotion. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking this and then a blitz. Blitz is the

0:43:36.629 --> 0:43:39.149
<v Speaker 2>only way I can describe it. In fact, you know

0:43:39.189 --> 0:43:43.549
<v Speaker 2>how we are looking for the word that describes her personality, blitz.

0:43:44.349 --> 0:43:48.389
<v Speaker 2>She is a blitz. Oh blitz you yeah, yeah, So

0:43:48.709 --> 0:43:51.109
<v Speaker 2>thinking of blitz, this is my mood board and it's

0:43:51.229 --> 0:43:55.029
<v Speaker 2>just kiss the band and I've already got the touch masked.

0:43:55.669 --> 0:43:57.669
<v Speaker 2>And then they say, why don't we rethink this look

0:43:57.829 --> 0:44:00.549
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, can't already got the touch? And then

0:44:01.309 --> 0:44:04.989
<v Speaker 2>she does the dance that she's made up, which really

0:44:05.069 --> 0:44:08.789
<v Speaker 2>doesn't lyrically or rhythmically with Karma at all. So that's

0:44:08.829 --> 0:44:12.749
<v Speaker 2>in the aftermath. Now my sentence is different, and in fact,

0:44:12.869 --> 0:44:16.189
<v Speaker 2>I think Jojo will like this because of the aforementioned charge.

0:44:16.669 --> 0:44:18.229
<v Speaker 2>If you want to promote something, if you want to

0:44:18.269 --> 0:44:21.269
<v Speaker 2>sell something, Karma's not working. Guilty pleasure is not working.

0:44:21.789 --> 0:44:25.349
<v Speaker 2>I think bows have had their day. Bottle it. Mm,

0:44:26.149 --> 0:44:28.869
<v Speaker 2>whatever's going on. I don't think she's on drugs. No

0:44:29.709 --> 0:44:34.549
<v Speaker 2>imagine would take that drug. Yeah, whatever's happening. Take it

0:44:34.629 --> 0:44:36.949
<v Speaker 2>from JoJo's blood and sell it to people like us.

0:44:37.189 --> 0:44:41.869
<v Speaker 2>Go to your local blood mag give some of the blitz.

0:44:42.589 --> 0:44:47.029
<v Speaker 2>Call it blitz to others, call it JoJo's blood. I

0:44:47.269 --> 0:44:50.549
<v Speaker 2>will insert some because I need twenty five percent more.

0:44:51.789 --> 0:44:55.149
<v Speaker 2>Great idea, that's actually a great health initiative. Bottle Jojo

0:44:55.829 --> 0:44:59.909
<v Speaker 2>and sell Jojo to people who need it. Jesse, that

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<v Speaker 2>is all we've got time for on today's episode of Canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>Canceled is produced by Telissa Bazaz with audio editing by

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