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Speaker 2: from Annie my lazy girl story. I hop into bed
Speaker 2: one night, get all cozy and warm reading my book.
Speaker 2: Then I realize I haven't put my phone on charge,
Speaker 2: which sits on my dresser on the other side of
Speaker 2: my room. I really didn't want to get out of
Speaker 2: my warm bet, so I text my husband, who's downstairs,
Speaker 2: that I have a bad headache and could he please
Speaker 2: bring me some painkillers. He's upstairs with the goods I
Speaker 2: don't need. Shortly after and I ask him if he
Speaker 2: could put my phone on charge for me while he's here.
Speaker 2: He's on to me. He rolls his eyes and he
Speaker 2: puts it on charge. Anyway. I give him a wink
Speaker 2: and a butts lap and send him on his way,
Speaker 2: happily reading my book in bed. She's a lazy girl,
Speaker 2: warm and company, lazy girl for the weird. I love
Speaker 2: it because there's something about asking four panad dol can't
Speaker 2: question you get out of jail. Sometimes I do that,
Speaker 2: Like sometimes I'll just be a mad bitch right and
Speaker 2: be awful yeah, and Y'll be like oh and it's
Speaker 2: clearly like one cutting comment too many, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not well, I'm fine or period pain don't have mine?
Speaker 2: And then I even at like a cheeky three am
Speaker 2: I've been known to do this. Right, I'm parked. I
Speaker 2: get very parched, right, especially if we've had burgers and
Speaker 2: we'll get to two or three am, and I'll go,
Speaker 2: I really want to water. And also maybe I went
Speaker 2: to hard on the burgers. Maybe I donate a panadole.
Speaker 2: But with panadole inevitably comes or some hydration. And so
Speaker 2: I say, get me, and then you take the two
Speaker 2: panel and then you wash it down and you're like, actually,
Speaker 2: I was just this. I feel like I'm gonna faint.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: You know who's not a lazy girl? Jojo more la
Speaker 2: any lazy girl. So today we are talking about Jojo Siwa.
Speaker 2: Is that a real name? Joel Joni Sewa is an
Speaker 2: American singer, dancer, actress, and media personality.
Speaker 1: I don't really care about what they did. I'm come
Speaker 1: back like a boom of band. And Jojo had a
Speaker 1: well out to my new house.
Speaker 2: Hey, you guys give my dancing because you know it
Speaker 2: was out.
Speaker 1: There's a a little bit.
Speaker 2: What has go to you, guys?
Speaker 1: I'm a human brand?
Speaker 2: Yeah you are? You are a human brand? Yeah? Oh
Speaker 2: I want to be you. She has more energy than
Speaker 2: all the lazy girls put together. Easily. And this is
Speaker 2: why lazy girls aren't celebrated enough, because sometimes you can
Speaker 2: have too much energy. Sometimes you can and you can
Speaker 2: try too hard and do too much. And even like
Speaker 2: you're dancing, I just think could do with less energy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just less. Just she is twenty one. That actually makes
Speaker 2: me feel a bit bad because can you imagine the
Speaker 2: cringe shit we would have done. Actually no, because we
Speaker 2: were too lazy and too shy. But yeah, you're allowed
Speaker 2: to be cringe at twenty one. Yeah, in fact, you're obliged. Well.
Speaker 2: I feel like we should start off by just saying
Speaker 2: Jojo see why is a bit of fun. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: this isn't about Jojo see why the person no Joelle
Speaker 2: or whatever you said her name is. It's about Joe
Speaker 2: Josie Well, the idea and with that we can have
Speaker 2: a play. Yes. In twenty thirteen, when she was about ten,
Speaker 2: she appeared as the youngest contestant on the second season
Speaker 2: of Abby's Ultimate Dance Competition, produced by Abby Lee Miller
Speaker 2: of Dance Mum's Fame.
Speaker 3: No New Crane Children, that buck yell, I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 2: She deserves nothing.
Speaker 3: Don't have an attitude that you are entitled in this world.
Speaker 1: You are not.
Speaker 2: You deserve nothing else you earn it. Speaking of people,
Speaker 2: you cancel along the way, we'll get to Abby. Then.
Speaker 2: From twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, so starting when she
Speaker 2: was about twelve, she appeared as a dancer on two
Speaker 2: seasons of Dance Mums with her mum Jessa Lee. Okay,
Speaker 2: I have not seen Dance Mums in full, but I've
Speaker 2: seen it like clips on Yeah. I've seen so many
Speaker 2: clips on TikTok that I think I have actually seen
Speaker 2: the whole thing, and they do give a general sense
Speaker 2: of things. What I need to know is whether Jojo
Speaker 2: Siwa can dance. Can Jojo Seaward dance, Yes, so, she
Speaker 2: can tie her hair back tied, she can put her
Speaker 2: bone air things, she can do the splits are right.
Speaker 2: Can she do tricks? Yes? All right, But I would
Speaker 2: say she's not the best at tricks. I watched a
Speaker 2: Dance Mum's clip where it's her and another hip hop
Speaker 2: dancer and they're like, Jojo, you were out shown by
Speaker 2: the other hip hop dancer who is far better at tricks.
Speaker 2: I don't understand a lot about dance, but I think
Speaker 2: I prefer hip hop because I don't really understand jazz
Speaker 2: or tap, contemporary temporary, but as an outsider, and I
Speaker 2: think this is probably something that all dancers should listen to.
Speaker 2: Lean in, Lean in if you're a dancer. We want tricks,
Speaker 2: more tricks, because when we see movements we think we
Speaker 2: can do that, we know we can't. And this is
Speaker 2: something I've noticed watching the DCC the Cheerleader Show, is
Speaker 2: could I do that? Do I have the rhythm? No?
Speaker 2: But I imagine I could. When you do a trick,
Speaker 2: a trick such as a jump split, that's when I
Speaker 2: know you're better than me. So I never understand when
Speaker 2: I watch a routine why it doesn't go trick trick,
Speaker 2: trick trick, I have only trick. I even think it
Speaker 2: in the Olympics with the floor routine, Yes, with the rhythmic,
Speaker 2: and then they do a thing feedback, more treats. Yes,
Speaker 2: and they do a thing where they just kind of
Speaker 2: do a few actions, do a few actions. I can
Speaker 2: do actions. You can do a front flip. Do that?
Speaker 2: Do the front Why would you do a routine and
Speaker 2: not do a front flip. Ever, if you can do it,
Speaker 2: you need to be doing it. So I did watch
Speaker 2: chick clip where it was the girl who was doing
Speaker 2: all the tricks, and one of the mums was like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, tricks are good when you're young, but then
Speaker 2: you need skill. No, tricks are always good. Tricks are
Speaker 2: One thing I will say about Jojo in terms of
Speaker 2: her dancing, She's no Maddie Zigler, okay, And what Maddie
Speaker 2: Zigler has is and I've learned this from DCC chilias
Speaker 2: present personality. But she has the factor. Oh y race,
Speaker 2: some people have the HP factor and people don't like Victoria.
Speaker 2: It's like she's a Victoria is Jojo She's not the
Speaker 2: Victoria because she's actually got all the personality. And I'd
Speaker 2: say they always say Jojo, you're a star, but to me,
Speaker 2: the skill is not as high as Maddie. Okay. Anyway.
Speaker 2: From twenty seventeen onwards, Jojo was signed to Nickelodeon and
Speaker 2: released music and appeared in a bunch of Nickelodeon shows.
Speaker 2: There was an animated show called The Jojo and Bobo
Speaker 2: Show Show because she narrated.
Speaker 1: Pernics Yojo e Bobo and Welcome to the Jojo Babo Show.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She has one song Boomerang from that era with a
Speaker 2: music video watched over one billion times. Wow, I've never
Speaker 2: watched her.
Speaker 3: They can keep tugging that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep buck mar Block and I want you
Speaker 1: with se.
Speaker 3: Yellowish Chanzy.
Speaker 2: She became iconic for her hair bows and she released
Speaker 2: her own line of hair bows, which we will get to. Recently,
Speaker 2: she went viral for her song Karma and the public
Speaker 2: Arma that match. I should have known better. You know
Speaker 2: that has lived rent free in my head for what
Speaker 2: feels like he is now. She has also appeared on
Speaker 2: the US version of The Masked Singer and Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars, where she and her partner came second. I
Speaker 2: think that's cheating. Going on Dancing with the Stars when
Speaker 2: you're on Dance Mums is cheating. She was also a
Speaker 2: judge on So You Think You Can Dance and just
Speaker 2: as a side note, she was listed as one of
Speaker 2: Time's one hundred most Influential People in twenty twenty and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, where the World's at Also just fun fact,
Speaker 2: JoJo's mum started bleaching her hair when she was a toddler,
Speaker 2: like one and a half.
Speaker 3: I have been dyeing my hair since I was like two,
Speaker 3: maybe one and a half. I'm not a natural blonde.
Speaker 3: I'm actually a natural bloud. I get brown loods, so
Speaker 3: I have to diet so it looks like I'm a
Speaker 3: natural blonde.
Speaker 2: So you've got six months to be able to start
Speaker 2: bleaching Luna's hair. I must say, Lona's head does not
Speaker 2: know what color is. It's very mousey. My structure for
Speaker 2: today is as follows. Dance Mums, her hairbow range, a
Speaker 2: little girl dressed as a monkey, America's Got Talent controversy Karma. Unrelatedly,
Speaker 2: the promotion of Karma and Jojo. Have you learned nothing?
Speaker 2: Dance Mums Dance Moms deserves its own episode of canceled.
Speaker 2: We have known this for some time, but it's hard
Speaker 2: because how do you be exhaustive? We've got to sit
Speaker 2: down and watch the whole seam. Is this the one
Speaker 2: with the Abbey Lee Yeah? Okay. The show followed the
Speaker 2: training and careers of children in dance under Abby Lee
Speaker 2: Miller and followed them on the Abbey Lee Dance Company
Speaker 2: Junior Elite competition team as they learned and competed. The
Speaker 2: best part was all the mums fighting with each other
Speaker 2: and fighting with Abby and they're like, why did you
Speaker 2: give that solo to that dancer. My kid is better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I just want your mother to quit
Speaker 1: speaking for you. You're fifteen years old.
Speaker 2: Grow the hell up. You know what, you shut the
Speaker 2: hell up. No, did you just sit here and say
Speaker 2: that my daughter looks miserable, so maybe we should put
Speaker 2: kilany in her place? Said yes, you most certainly. No,
Speaker 2: I didn't dang that lesson. I said, brook girls out
Speaker 2: the room. In the years since the show, Miller has
Speaker 2: been criticized for her toxic and abusive teaching methods. She
Speaker 2: shamed young girls for their weight. She did things like
Speaker 2: making them dance with the sack of potatoes and then
Speaker 2: saying that's how it'll feel if you put on five pounds.
Speaker 2: She named their stomachs like, gave them like nicknames. She
Speaker 2: mocked contestants, and she was generally just very very cruel.
Speaker 2: That was the stick. She's also been accused by past
Speaker 2: contestants of being racist, with a mom from the show
Speaker 2: calling her and her daughter's experience traumatic like she loves
Speaker 2: having like a storyline for a kid who happened to
Speaker 2: be a person of color, where it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: from the slums whatever, playing into racist stereotypes. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: made some very poor decisions. One episode of the show
Speaker 2: called Topless show Girls no longer appears on streaming services
Speaker 2: because it made the children, the little girls appear topless
Speaker 2: with like nude tops, and people went, actually, that ain't right.
Speaker 2: I think I was talking to Mum about this recently
Speaker 2: with dancing, because I look at my little girl. We
Speaker 2: put the wiggles on and she bounces excitedly, so dancing.
Speaker 2: She's got the music in her right. And I think
Speaker 2: I understand the appeal of dance. It's great exercise and
Speaker 2: it's great expression. Level of that. What I don't understand
Speaker 2: is why we have to hump chairs because it happens
Speaker 2: very quickly, so quickly from wiggles hot Potatoto to humping chairs.
Speaker 2: And then we're in leotards with our bottoms hanging out,
Speaker 2: and we are four years old, and we are four
Speaker 2: years old, and we are wearing lip liner and we
Speaker 2: do have eyelashes on. It's like, how is that related
Speaker 2: to the dance. Why can't we dance to Dorothy the Dinas? Yeah,
Speaker 2: just dressed them all up as dinosaurs. I don't care.
Speaker 2: But it's the humping of the chair line yeah, or
Speaker 2: the topless show girls, or the let's chuck a pole
Speaker 2: in there and get them to gyrate that. I go,
Speaker 2: this feels sexualized. Yeah, it does. In twenty sixteen, Abby
Speaker 2: Lee then pled guilty to concealing her income from her
Speaker 2: performances on the show in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: bankruptcy fraud, concealment of bankruptcy assets, and false bankruptcy declarations.
Speaker 2: So she spent a year and one day in prison.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you think she thris she's a
Speaker 2: literal criminal and also like a cultural criminal. But I
Speaker 2: feel like if I was in prison and Abbylee walked in,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I don't endorse what you did. Can
Speaker 2: you teach me that? I'd be like, take me a trick,
Speaker 2: scream at me like you scream it. Jojo. This year,
Speaker 2: during a Dance Mum's reunion, when past contestants were expressing
Speaker 2: their distress over their experiences under Abby, Jojo defended her.
Speaker 2: She said, to me, Abby was always right. One thing
Speaker 2: I've learned really working insane and Hollywood is that's normal,
Speaker 2: and it's scary that that's normal. But that taught me
Speaker 2: how to survive in the industry. So basically, she was
Speaker 2: saying to all the girls who were saying, oh, my
Speaker 2: self esteem, my life trajectory was negatively affected by this
Speaker 2: woman who relentlessly yelled at me as a child. Jojo
Speaker 2: was saying, Mmm, yeah, but like tough enough, because that's
Speaker 2: what the industry is. Yeah, well that's the problem.
Speaker 3: M M.
Speaker 2: I'd also like to enter into the courtroom JoJo's vibe
Speaker 2: on Dance Moms Okay as a ten year old. In
Speaker 2: one episode, Jojo is a guest performer and she's replacing Maddie.
Speaker 2: Maddie has to do some work with Sea Ah. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: Abby misses JoJo's performance. So JoJo's performing at a competition.
Speaker 2: Abby is late. Jojo went first. JoJo's mum leans forward
Speaker 2: in the row where she's watching from and says, Abby,
Speaker 2: just so you know, I'm really disappointed that you miss
Speaker 2: JoJo's performance because she worked really hard for that performance.
Speaker 2: Then Abby gives all the dances a talk and says,
Speaker 2: you can't be looking for me in the audience because
Speaker 2: I might not be there. And Jojo I'd say, she yells,
Speaker 2: do you feel bad you miss me? Because I'm your
Speaker 2: special guest. Abby tells JoJo's mom that she's creating a one.
Speaker 2: It's very that, it's very Jojo talking back really and
Speaker 2: then and then she goes she's got her mouth on her.
Speaker 2: She gets sent out and her mom says, you've got
Speaker 2: to go in and apologize so that you can still
Speaker 2: be part of the show. And then she's like, you're
Speaker 2: better than her. Jojo Ah bet ah, Yeah, so Jojo.
Speaker 2: A lot of the feedback for Jojo was you're a star.
Speaker 2: You've got all the energy you need to listen. Okay
Speaker 2: for you're listening as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a lot of talking back her hair bow range.
Speaker 2: When Jojo left Ounce Mums, she got a manager who
Speaker 2: basically said, you are meant to be a star. Whatever
Speaker 2: you want, I will make it happen. And so she
Speaker 2: got her a Nickelodeon deal and then that led to
Speaker 2: a whole lot of merch and an article Informs from
Speaker 2: twenty twenty interviews Jojo and she says there are five
Speaker 2: hundred Nickelodeon employees worldwide that support the Jojo brand. I
Speaker 2: can't be present in every business meeting because they're probably
Speaker 2: having three Jojo meetings right now. People in Hong Kong
Speaker 2: are probably having Jojo met. People in Australia are probably
Speaker 2: having Jojo meeting because it's such a huge franchise. I
Speaker 2: probably spend most of my time with Jojo toys. They
Speaker 2: are the biggest seller. How old was she when she
Speaker 2: was saying this, Like teens? Like seventeen eighteen? Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: They're the biggest seller, followed by accessories, apparel and then bedding.
Speaker 2: Shoes are included in apparel. Walmart just placed their biggest
Speaker 2: shoe by ever. It was for over one million pairs
Speaker 2: of JoJo's shoes. That can't be good. They just can't
Speaker 2: be good for your head. It can't be good for landfill.
Speaker 2: But like for Jojo, as a human who's trying to
Speaker 2: manage an ego, we just need to not be telling
Speaker 2: Jojo there's one million JoJo's shoes with her face on it,
Speaker 2: and little girls are sleeping with Jojo in their bed Like,
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's good for us and out
Speaker 2: speaking of our place in the world. Her biggest seller
Speaker 2: of all time has been her those I think I
Speaker 2: remember the bows, she said in this interview. It all
Speaker 2: started with the bows. So far we've sold over eighty million.
Speaker 2: What I look like I'm going to look it up.
Speaker 2: They're huge and colorful and sometimes bedazzled. I like a bow.
Speaker 2: The pricing ranges from five dollars to sixteen dollars a bow.
Speaker 2: So this In this Forbes article, they did a conservative
Speaker 2: estimate which was four hundred million dollars generated by bow
Speaker 2: sales alone, like multicolored, Yeah yeah, every color? Yeap, got it.
Speaker 2: She's on the record is describing her bows as a
Speaker 2: symbol of power. Confidence.
Speaker 1: This isn't a word but believing.
Speaker 2: This, believing. Sometimes something's just a bow, and it's not
Speaker 2: about believing this. In twenty sixteen, she released a line
Speaker 2: of hair bows in collaboration with Clare's you know that
Speaker 2: fashion and jewelry accessory companies Europe, maybe America too. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: The line of hair bows was particularly successful among primary
Speaker 2: school students in the UK yep. So successful that so
Speaker 2: many schools had to actively ban them because they breached
Speaker 2: the uniform policy, too colorful to be and also because,
Speaker 2: as one head teacher told the BBC, they're distracting. Oh
Speaker 2: they are. They're enormous, so practically a hat. Apparently, they
Speaker 2: also caused issues with peer pressure and students' concentration on
Speaker 2: and not being able to see the ball. No, because
Speaker 2: you're sitting in the back of the classroom and you're like,
Speaker 2: I can't see over my bows. On a mum's net
Speaker 2: forum discussing the bows, one mum told of how her
Speaker 2: ten year old daughter spent all of her Christmas and
Speaker 2: Birthday money over one hundred pounds on bows. She said,
Speaker 2: I'm tempted to chop them all to pieces in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night and claim ignorance. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: one mum told The Daily Mail she felt the schools
Speaker 2: were treating the bows like guns by banning them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Another head teacher said, we have a massive curriculum now
Speaker 2: in primary schools and there simply is no time for
Speaker 2: added distractions like this. Then, in twenty nineteen, Claire's recalled
Speaker 2: Jojo Siwa branded makeup kit after the FDA issued a
Speaker 2: warning about it containing dangerous levels of ASBESTA. The practical
Speaker 2: users of asbestos are very numerous, Joji, how did we
Speaker 2: get asbestos now to make up something to do with
Speaker 2: talc I actually went quite far. There were quite a
Speaker 2: lot of products that got recalled, but Jojo had to
Speaker 2: an apology and she said, even if you started to
Speaker 2: use it even whatever you return it, you get your
Speaker 2: money back. Because it has you shouldn't you shouldn't keep
Speaker 2: using it. He's asbestos maker. And that's why I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming Jojo, but this is why we go
Speaker 2: to our meetings m because when they're like, we're doing
Speaker 2: a vote today on whether we put we sprinkle a
Speaker 2: bit of asbestos in our makeup. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: She probably wouldn't have even known that was bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she would have been like, does it cost anything? A
Speaker 2: little girl just as a monkey. In twenty twenty, Jojo
Speaker 2: was accused of having white dancer Lilliana Ketchman in blackface
Speaker 2: in her circus themed music video for a song called
Speaker 2: non Stop Stuff.
Speaker 1: In their.
Speaker 2: Naked chat Jesse, here are the stills from that film clip.
Speaker 2: Tell me what you see? Yeah, I mean she's got
Speaker 2: black face. That is a child who has painted their
Speaker 2: face brown. She's doing a trick, but she's very much
Speaker 2: painted her face brown. But she's painted her face brown
Speaker 2: clearly to be a monkey. I don't know if that
Speaker 2: makes it better or worse. No, because the edge is
Speaker 2: going in yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's another one. She's
Speaker 2: also doing a trick. But you can clearly see we
Speaker 2: just don't paint our face brown in George Floyd. Yeah
Speaker 2: yeap no yeah too recent. The video was released on
Speaker 2: June teenth, a holiday commemorating the effective end of slavery
Speaker 2: in the United States. Incredible timing. Great. When people called
Speaker 2: it out, Jojo turned off YouTube comments and posted to Instagram,
Speaker 2: this is for all the people I block today. Peace out,
Speaker 2: girl scout. This is my Instagram and anyone who is
Speaker 2: going to be mean is not going to be allowed
Speaker 2: on here. People are bossing me around, telling me who
Speaker 2: to follow, what to post, what to like, what to say,
Speaker 2: what to do, everything what. So She's like, stuff all
Speaker 2: of you, and it's like, that's what happens when you're
Speaker 2: told you're a star from the age of like eight,
Speaker 2: and the people in Hong Kong are having meetings about Jojo.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm you doing yeah yeah, and people call me
Speaker 2: down take on feedback. We don't take on feedback. Well, no,
Speaker 2: America's got talent. Controversy girl group X. I don't even
Speaker 2: know how to say this, and I was so unaware
Speaker 2: of this and to I researched it for this episode.
Speaker 2: X OMG pop exclamation mark. Yeah They were originally formed
Speaker 2: by Jojo Sewa and her mum, jesse Lynne, on their
Speaker 2: reality TV show Seawards Dance in twenty twenty one. I
Speaker 2: cannot explain how many shows this family have been evolved in.
Speaker 2: Does she have a dad? I've not really heard about dad. Okay,
Speaker 2: So her dad is Tom Okay, happens to be a chiropractor.
Speaker 2: Maybe a lot of her dance moves are adjustments. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they put together this group and then that group
Speaker 2: go on to compete on America's Got Talent. But in
Speaker 2: March twenty twenty four, an article released by Rolling Stone
Speaker 2: accused the Sea was of creating a hostile work environment.
Speaker 2: Leah Sanderson, who has Spina biffitter, was part of the
Speaker 2: original lineup of the group, and she said she was
Speaker 2: fired after her mum, Angie, raised her concerns about the
Speaker 2: treatment of her daughter and the members of the group.
Speaker 2: With the other mothers as well as a studio teacher.
Speaker 2: Sources said that jesse Lynn was overtly cruel to the
Speaker 2: group and shamed one member for having a disability, and
Speaker 2: accused Jojo of being nasty and domineering, even claiming she
Speaker 2: screamed insults at the girls during a performance, Jojo, We're
Speaker 2: taking after Abby again. It's like I'm controlled energy. Mm.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know where to put it. How she yells
Speaker 2: at random? Yeah. Jojo denied the allegations she would Yeah,
Speaker 2: but she hasn't said anything else. And I guess this
Speaker 2: is kind of herm is that she just totally ignores
Speaker 2: and doesn't say anything because she's like criticism. Huh. I'm
Speaker 2: jo Jos of my bedding, Karma and relatedly, the promotion
Speaker 2: of Karma. In April this year, Jojo released her debut
Speaker 2: single as a grown up artist, Colma, I was a
Speaker 2: bad girl.
Speaker 1: I did some bad thos. I swear I did it
Speaker 1: off for fun and knit nursing it never have.
Speaker 2: Not only is the song appalling, but the film clip
Speaker 2: is hypersexual and just very strange. Yeah all right, so
Speaker 2: let's just ender some vibes, okay, So come as a bitch.
Speaker 2: I should. And the dance is severely lacking in tricks.
Speaker 2: The dance is a series sharp movements that will do
Speaker 2: your neck out too much. It's too much. The dance
Speaker 2: needs to be real back twenty it's too much. It's
Speaker 2: not good on the joints. And then it's kind of
Speaker 2: like there's a jump in there, and it's not hot.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make you look good. It doesn't have any rhythm.
Speaker 2: It's just bam bam, bam, bam bam, which brings us
Speaker 2: to the esthetic, which is just kiss the band kiss.
Speaker 2: But it's a lightning thing on her on her face,
Speaker 2: and she's wearing kind of black leather as though she
Speaker 2: vented it. But that's just you just stole it. Promoting
Speaker 2: the single, she said in an interview with Billboard, I
Speaker 2: want to start a new genre of music. It's called
Speaker 2: gay pop. People got really mad. Is she gay? Yes?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Have you seen the film clip that
Speaker 2: it starts with her hum being a girl? Yeah? No,
Speaker 2: I did say I didn't know. I didn't know, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: something interesting about the film clip is, and people have
Speaker 2: commented on this, she loves to dance about her sexuality.
Speaker 2: She loves humping, humping, dry humping. Well, she went to
Speaker 2: she is, but there's no kissing. Okay, it's like hyper
Speaker 2: sexualized without like the kind of tiny well, I mean
Speaker 2: that's very a dance it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It's very a dance school because you kind of learn,
Speaker 2: you learn splits, you learn pirouette and you learn as
Speaker 2: a forementioned tump in a chair, so you've got three
Speaker 2: moves in your epertoire And in order to do her
Speaker 2: film clip, she was like, a hump, I'll do a jump.
Speaker 2: She does this awful jump with like bent legs. It
Speaker 2: just doesn't look right. It looks like it's so bad anyway.
Speaker 2: So there's never been a gay popeye Conboy. People got
Speaker 2: really upset about her saying she was inventing a John
Speaker 2: recalled gay George, Michael, George, Michael, Elton John, just so many.
Speaker 2: Then there was backlash from queer musicians Teagan and Sarah,
Speaker 2: who did a video being like, I don't think they
Speaker 2: even said anything, but it was just that audio, and
Speaker 2: then being like you feel serious because they massive, yeah,
Speaker 2: massive queer pop a while ago. See what said in
Speaker 2: the later interview, I am not the inventor of gay
Speaker 2: pop for sure not I might not be the president,
Speaker 2: but I might be the CEO or the CMO. She
Speaker 2: also then went on a tangent about like what I
Speaker 2: meant was like, gay pop isn't a genre like blues
Speaker 2: or wrap, and it's like, yeah, that's because it's you
Speaker 2: have four hundred people working for you. Why doesn't anyone
Speaker 2: brief you on like a line on what to say
Speaker 2: in an interview, what not to say? We rehearse, you
Speaker 2: know how hard you rehearse those dances? Because I did
Speaker 2: not ask my TikTok algorithm to show me. I've every
Speaker 2: rehearsal of you doing your Karma dance and I must stay. Actually,
Speaker 2: I remember thinking this, this is an incredible launch, like
Speaker 2: in terms of the publicity, in terms it's incredible in
Speaker 2: terms of quantity. Quantity, Yes, the girl goes hard on quantity.
Speaker 2: She was on call her daddy. The song hasn't done
Speaker 2: well in terms of things. I want to cancel Jojo
Speaker 2: Force okay, because this is what I was confused about,
Speaker 2: is according to the world, that song of them performing,
Speaker 2: according to Jojo Si was TikTok. That song was the
Speaker 2: best was performing song ever created, which same with my
Speaker 2: inst with everyone's Instagram. Yes, but when that song came out,
Speaker 2: she said something that sounded like when I wrote Karma,
Speaker 2: but not those exact words, and then everybody got mad
Speaker 2: because they were like, you didn't write it. This other artist,
Speaker 2: brit somebody had already released it. And what happens in
Speaker 2: pop music is like this Brit person never properly released it,
Speaker 2: so it kind of goes back into the pool. And
Speaker 2: then Jojo picked it out and she's like, I never
Speaker 2: said that I wrote it, which her language was careful. Anyway,
Speaker 2: people got so mad at Jojo for saying she wrote
Speaker 2: it that the brit version of Karma was higher in
Speaker 2: the charts than JoJo's version. The internet just trolls her back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just troll her back. She also criticized online culture
Speaker 2: when she was getting some of the backlash for this,
Speaker 2: saying I could say I want well peace and everyone
Speaker 2: would be like, how dare you want peace for the world?
Speaker 2: It'll blow up in her defense, yes, that is culture,
Speaker 2: but also you're saying some weird things. You're saying some
Speaker 2: weird things, Jesse. Here are a couple of my favorite
Speaker 2: interview clips from her. I'd call it a promotional tour,
Speaker 2: which let's remember she's not promoting an album, She's promoting
Speaker 2: a single, Okay, And this is what people in the
Speaker 2: music industry will tell you, less making music, more promotion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she has heard that message loud and clear.
Speaker 1: No one has made this dramatic of a change yet,
Speaker 1: no one has made in my generation, there's dream of
Speaker 1: a switch and I am the first of the generation.
Speaker 1: It is very scary, but.
Speaker 2: Was gonna do it. She reminds me of my administration
Speaker 2: has accomplished more than almost any administration. She has the same,
Speaker 2: and she has Tom Trumper. I mean it lovingly, which
Speaker 2: is but it's like audacity, audacity and delusion. Miley Cyrus,
Speaker 2: for example, is someone who made an incredible transformation mana.
Speaker 2: She didn't say that. No one says that. No one
Speaker 2: says that. But then she said of my generation, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you are twenty one, like something else is in her generation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, but it just it's a
Speaker 2: weird thing to say, Honey, we need to again twenty
Speaker 2: five percent less always.
Speaker 1: And I started doing music, and honestly, we started off
Speaker 1: like pretty pretty calm, like nothing like nothing like what's
Speaker 1: up right now? And then I got pitched this song
Speaker 1: Coma and it's the first word is iur was a
Speaker 1: bad girl And I was like, oh fuck, it's a
Speaker 1: good song. I was like, but I can't say that.
Speaker 1: I can't say I'm a bad girl. I'm not. I
Speaker 1: sang every Girl's a super girl last week, like I
Speaker 1: can't sing I was a bad girl this week.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work, Jesse. That's from her her daddy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I listened to the whole thing and she
Speaker 2: was what did she wearing in that interview with the
Speaker 2: friend of that with the Remember when we were in
Speaker 2: high school and you would get doorbeads, doorbeats were disgusting
Speaker 2: by the ways at and it's like this is distracting
Speaker 2: and no one says anything. It's just the whole time.
Speaker 2: But it's the earnestness. She's like, you know the lyrics
Speaker 2: were You think that she's gonna say something outrage but
Speaker 2: she's like, I can't. I wasn't a bad girl. I
Speaker 2: wasn't a bad gral. She's like, I was eighteen, I
Speaker 2: wasn't a bad girl. But now I'm twenty one and
Speaker 2: it's like, whoa jojo? What have you done? Your hair down?
Speaker 2: Taking it at your bones. It's very easy to mark.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a word in the English language
Speaker 2: for jojo energy. It's such confidence in yourself.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's a generation that grew up on believe in yourself
Speaker 2: and that's all you need to do. It's like when
Speaker 2: they talk about themselves, tears come to their eyes. They
Speaker 2: are over there come. They're moved by themselves and their
Speaker 2: own talent. Yeah, and brilliant and success. Yeah, cancel, listeners.
Speaker 2: Can you help us think of a word? Yeah, we
Speaker 2: need to add a new word to the dictionary. That
Speaker 2: is jojo and also Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I am the first of the generation.
Speaker 2: Nobody can do it like me? Nobody? Yes, my podcast,
Speaker 2: Oh my.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, honestly, let's myst think that one of
Speaker 1: my exes.
Speaker 2: Oh, dream yes on my podcast on my exites all now,
Speaker 2: I have said that sentence so many times. Dream guess
Speaker 2: on my podcast one. Why does she sound like two
Speaker 2: things smoking for fifty years? It's not. It's like Selma
Speaker 2: from the Simpsons. What are their names? Marge's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she sounds like them. He's wearing pain, which is interesting
Speaker 2: because her instrument is her voice and she doesn't take
Speaker 2: care of it. The vocal friars out of this world, Yes,
Speaker 2: one of my axes. All. It's a way that she's
Speaker 2: so like can you believe her? And it's like you
Speaker 2: said it and she turns around and she's like, oh
Speaker 2: that's okay. She just thinks she's so cool and chilled
Speaker 2: out and relaxed. Yes, like she's just said something candid.
Speaker 2: It's like she's writing the headline as she says it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like Joel d said it, and it's like, but what
Speaker 2: you've said isn't even a very unusual thing to say.
Speaker 2: It's not particularly interesting, and you've added too much energy
Speaker 2: to it. You know. People say like it's confidence instead
Speaker 2: of competence or something like it. Your confidence is masking
Speaker 2: a lack of substance. Substance beneath speaking of confidence, did
Speaker 2: you know that she got the eye makeup that she
Speaker 2: had at the iHeart Radio Awards that were fled stop
Speaker 2: it stopid she just werves free there. It's the same
Speaker 2: eye makeup and costume that she wears in the film
Speaker 2: clip for Karma. Anyway, she got that tattooed on her forearm. Oh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna regret that. We're gonna regret that, Jojo. This
Speaker 2: is why we need to do things in arms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we just need to be a little bit more half
Speaker 2: hearted with what we put out into the world. Jesse.
Speaker 2: Here are some of the reactions to Karma. I want
Speaker 2: you to read them all right, tell me why I
Speaker 2: just watched Jojo Sewa's music video, and she was humping
Speaker 2: the girl so harshly. I have tears. I'm embarrassed in
Speaker 2: this community. That video should have stayed in the drafts.
Speaker 2: Yeah correct, Yeah, okay, here we go. The film clip
Speaker 2: is just I don't think she's very good at cory. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I reckon that. If Abby Lee teaches her a dance,
Speaker 2: I think she can pull it off. I don't think
Speaker 2: she's a choreographer. Okay. I need everyone to know. The
Speaker 2: label told Jojo sewat no on the budget to create
Speaker 2: this music video, so she paid for the entire thing herself,
Speaker 2: co directed it, and co choreographed it. She talks quite
Speaker 2: emotionally about how she had the concept for this video
Speaker 2: two years ago, and then you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: what is the concept? What's it trying to say? It's
Speaker 2: you are dressed as cussed on an island. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: throwing your neck out. Get that Jojo Sewar video off
Speaker 2: my timeline. I'm begging. I feel exactly the same, because
Speaker 2: it wasn't just the music video. It was then everywhere
Speaker 2: Joe goes, She's like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it. Everyone's like, please, don't you can surprise she's
Speaker 2: a pride and everyone's like, she's doing it. There's one
Speaker 2: in I think Times Square there's like and I'm just like, Jojo,
Speaker 2: you're gonna hate yourself because she slams too hard. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're young now, but your ankles can't handle it.
Speaker 2: Jojo me, that wasn't an earthquake. I was learning, Jojo,
Speaker 2: see while coreography now. That was in response to there
Speaker 2: was actually an earthquake, and there are a bunch of
Speaker 2: tweets being like, not an earthquake, not an earthquake? A
Speaker 2: show an earthquake. That got to Cooda Johnson drawing that
Speaker 2: interview cranically was great. Question. Finally, Jojo, have you learned nothing?
Speaker 2: There's a viral moment from Dance Mums where Jojo asks
Speaker 2: a question and Abby yells at her. This is what
Speaker 2: she says, don't you.
Speaker 1: Know the order officellas?
Speaker 2: Jojo, have you learned nothing? She's like, do you know
Speaker 2: the order of the solos? Do you know the order
Speaker 2: of the solos? The order that we're going in for
Speaker 2: our solo for one? So she asks someone it's just
Speaker 2: furious she wasn't, so she yelled, I have you learned?
Speaker 2: Nothing is angry? It's this way.
Speaker 1: Jojo.
Speaker 2: She's so bad, she's so angry. People say, JoJo's face
Speaker 2: is actually quite cute reaction to that, because she's not
Speaker 2: ske she's just confused. She looks like a puppy. It's
Speaker 2: the kind of scream you would do if your child
Speaker 2: ran onto a highway and was really like their life
Speaker 2: was in danger and you just had a second to
Speaker 2: get them back. Jo asked the stupid question all the time.
Speaker 2: But my point is now the internet is yelling the
Speaker 2: same thing at Jojo because she's released other song. Oh
Speaker 2: has she called Guilty Pleasure? Why have I not heard this?
Speaker 2: Where's the publicity? Well, where's the publicity? Bit psure, it's
Speaker 2: not different, it's not different, it's just sid on. What
Speaker 2: she's done is she's re oriented the Karma dance to
Speaker 2: face the side, and what it has is a lot
Speaker 2: of what I'm going to term a stomp and clump,
Speaker 2: which is when we're just stumping really, really hard, which
Speaker 2: is I think what dances do when they're making up
Speaker 2: for a lack of excitement in their routine is they
Speaker 2: just stamp really hard. And I guess if you're Jojo.
Speaker 2: You're known for your energy. You're known for your energy,
Speaker 2: but we're lacking flips bridges, high kit. It's not enough, Jesse.
Speaker 2: Here are the reactions. There needs to be like a
Speaker 2: three year break between each song so we can recover mentally.
Speaker 2: I think my for You page knew that I needed
Speaker 2: a Jojo brak go No, it's okay, we won't. Someone's
Speaker 2: written in capitals, Jojo, what's this? That's me? I think
Speaker 2: my pleasure piece just shriveled up and died. True, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: pleasure piece is part of the levy Okay. JoJo's biggest
Speaker 2: fan is Jojo, and I do agree with that number.
Speaker 2: Worry taken by that dance, and she's the one who
Speaker 2: you know we need to make up of TikTok dance.
Speaker 2: The idea is that it goes viral and them people
Speaker 2: do it. I've not seen a single person catch on.
Speaker 2: The only person I see do JoJo's dance is Jojo.
Speaker 2: Poor people mocking. Nobody has been like all in earnest
Speaker 2: learn this dance to look like Jojo, which could be
Speaker 2: a genius PR strategy. Yeah, because a lot of people
Speaker 2: have recreated it to laugh at it. It's hilarious. This
Speaker 2: sounds like it would be in the Trolls franchise. I
Speaker 2: quite like that. I think her songs generally do sound
Speaker 2: like they'd be in the Trolls. I agree. There's something
Speaker 2: you've missed, and I've realized actually worried because there's so
Speaker 2: much with Jojo that I did worry i'd miss something.
Speaker 2: And it's one of the most viral Jojo Siwa videos ever.
Speaker 2: And there's a counselble offense like it could be a
Speaker 2: complete segment on its own. Okay, you need to watch
Speaker 2: it at the same time because it's Jojo singing in
Speaker 2: her car. Oh you know the video, right? Okay, I
Speaker 2: have an issue in that I deleted TikTok recently for
Speaker 2: my mental health and it is making my career difficult. Continue,
Speaker 2: all right, here we.
Speaker 1: Go your sildrit.
Speaker 2: I want you to describe what JoJo's face looks like.
Speaker 2: It's so rad it's so red, she looks like she's
Speaker 2: gonna pass out. And what's the caption? So I think
Speaker 2: she put this on Snapchat and she said, I know
Speaker 2: it's not perfect, but it's much better than how it
Speaker 2: started exclamation mark. So she shared this to be like
Speaker 2: come on give me, because the thing is she does
Speaker 2: get criticized because people say she doesn't sing, she yells
Speaker 2: and it's all been auto tuned, yes, And then when
Speaker 2: people bring that up to her, she's like, I never
Speaker 2: said I could sing, and it's like you released Carmak.
Speaker 2: And then she did this in her car because she
Speaker 2: was like trying to learn how to sing, and she's
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say she's tone deaf, but like she can't
Speaker 2: hit yeah, no, no, no, she's missing the note. And
Speaker 2: then she shared it and she's clearly she's pushing it
Speaker 2: too hard. Yeah, which she can tell. She's not looking
Speaker 2: after her vocals no at all, Jesse is time charges
Speaker 2: and sentences my charge, Jess. The thing is that the
Speaker 2: judges on Dance Mums they had it right when she
Speaker 2: was ten, and it's simply that she's got too much
Speaker 2: energy and there's not enough listening. What's funny about that
Speaker 2: is I didn't know before Jojo came along. They're inner
Speaker 2: dance context. You could have too much energy. What you
Speaker 2: often get is there's not enough energy. Push it harder,
Speaker 2: push it, push it, push it. Give her a one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent. I don't think we had ever
Speaker 2: seen a hundred and ten percent until Jojo came along
Speaker 2: and we went wind it too much. Wind it back
Speaker 2: one hundred is enough. The other interesting thing about Jojo
Speaker 2: is so abby. Lee said, she's a star when she's
Speaker 2: on her own, when she dances with other people, she's
Speaker 2: out at time. She's out of time. She is what
Speaker 2: you say about her being out of time when she
Speaker 2: performs karma on her own in times square, she's out
Speaker 2: of time. Yeah, she's also out of time with her
Speaker 2: own dance. Yes, it's just not quite right. So my
Speaker 2: sentence is quite clear. We've said it a few times,
Speaker 2: and it's just so incredibly obvious. Jojo, under one of
Speaker 2: your bows, you've got a dial right of your levels
Speaker 2: we need to wind and it is on the top
Speaker 2: of her head. Yeah, under her ponytail. She's got the
Speaker 2: look of someone who's tied her hair back tight for
Speaker 2: a lot of diet yea to hide the dial. And
Speaker 2: we're going to need to wind that dial back a
Speaker 2: full twenty five percent, Jojo, h and not twenty four percent,
Speaker 2: because we're still to be stomping if we need to
Speaker 2: wind it twenty five percent and just some feedback more tricks.
Speaker 2: Great Yeah, because there are some that need to be
Speaker 2: wound up. We've said this about say Megan Markle could
Speaker 2: probably up it a little, Yeah, we need I'm caring
Speaker 2: midway through a New York and New Year's a performance
Speaker 2: when she said I don't want to be here, I
Speaker 2: want to be on holiday. Just wind it up a little, Okay.
Speaker 2: The other thing with Jojo is she did a performance
Speaker 2: a Pride that I saw, and she does a trick.
Speaker 2: She jumps splits and then lands in the splits fabulous.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, oh my god, can't believe I
Speaker 2: did this. I can't even do the splits anymore. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, One, you just did it, so that would
Speaker 2: have hurt if you can't do it anymore. Two, Jojo,
Speaker 2: why can't you do the slits anymore? Professional dancer? Spending
Speaker 2: too much time on your bows and not enough time
Speaker 2: on your dancing, and that's why there are enough tricks
Speaker 2: because you can't do them anymore. Well, my charge is
Speaker 2: related spending too much time on promotion, in fact, only promoting,
Speaker 2: exclusively promoting. Yeah, so what she did is she sat
Speaker 2: in the room with the Hong Kong office, the Australian office,
Speaker 2: all the four hundred people at Nickelodeon. Question remark, question remark,
Speaker 2: working for Jojo Sieber, and she went, we've done betting,
Speaker 2: we've done bows. Now let's talk about the promotion for
Speaker 2: my song Karma. And they went, what song Carma? And
Speaker 2: she said, we'll get that's the n's meeting. Yeah, yea,
Speaker 2: Now we're going to talk about the promotion. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I'm thinking this and then a blitz. Blitz is the
Speaker 2: only way I can describe it. In fact, you know
Speaker 2: how we are looking for the word that describes her personality, blitz.
Speaker 2: She is a blitz. Oh blitz you yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: thinking of blitz, this is my mood board and it's
Speaker 2: just kiss the band and I've already got the touch masked.
Speaker 2: And then they say, why don't we rethink this look
Speaker 2: and she's like, can't already got the touch? And then
Speaker 2: she does the dance that she's made up, which really
Speaker 2: doesn't lyrically or rhythmically with Karma at all. So that's
Speaker 2: in the aftermath. Now my sentence is different, and in fact,
Speaker 2: I think Jojo will like this because of the aforementioned charge.
Speaker 2: If you want to promote something, if you want to
Speaker 2: sell something, Karma's not working. Guilty pleasure is not working.
Speaker 2: I think bows have had their day. Bottle it. Mm,
Speaker 2: whatever's going on. I don't think she's on drugs. No
Speaker 2: imagine would take that drug. Yeah, whatever's happening. Take it
Speaker 2: from JoJo's blood and sell it to people like us.
Speaker 2: Go to your local blood mag give some of the blitz.
Speaker 2: Call it blitz to others, call it JoJo's blood. I
Speaker 2: will insert some because I need twenty five percent more.
Speaker 2: Great idea, that's actually a great health initiative. Bottle Jojo
Speaker 2: and sell Jojo to people who need it. Jesse, that
Speaker 2: is all we've got time for on today's episode of Canceled.
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