1 00:00:11,229 --> 00:00:13,909 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,829 --> 00:00:18,389 Speaker 2: MoMA Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:18,389 --> 00:00:21,189 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on lazy Girls. Before we 4 00:00:21,229 --> 00:00:23,869 Speaker 2: get into it, we know that Elasier don't like doing things. 5 00:00:24,309 --> 00:00:26,869 Speaker 2: Follow this podcast. There's a button and you can click 6 00:00:26,909 --> 00:00:28,949 Speaker 2: follow when it comes up. I never follow things because 7 00:00:28,989 --> 00:00:31,709 Speaker 2: it's a step and I don't like steps. But tap 8 00:00:31,749 --> 00:00:34,349 Speaker 2: it and it'll automatically come up and you can find 9 00:00:34,389 --> 00:00:46,549 Speaker 2: us every week on Tuesday. Hello, and welcome to Canceled, 10 00:00:46,629 --> 00:00:49,589 Speaker 2: the podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigns 11 00:00:49,669 --> 00:00:52,149 Speaker 2: charges and sentences to them so we can all move 12 00:00:52,189 --> 00:00:55,429 Speaker 2: on with our lives. I'm Claire Stephens and I'm Jesse Stevens. 13 00:00:55,869 --> 00:00:58,229 Speaker 2: And Jesse, do you have a lazy Girls story for us? 14 00:00:58,389 --> 00:01:01,149 Speaker 2: I do? I have one that came through our email. 15 00:01:01,269 --> 00:01:03,509 Speaker 2: This is a reminder. You can send lazy Girls stories 16 00:01:03,669 --> 00:01:05,789 Speaker 2: podcast at mummea dot com dot are you and if 17 00:01:05,829 --> 00:01:08,309 Speaker 2: you put in the subject line something along the lines 18 00:01:08,309 --> 00:01:11,949 Speaker 2: of lazy girls then indicates to us it's a lazy 19 00:01:11,989 --> 00:01:14,749 Speaker 2: girl story for the podcast. Yes, okay, this one is 20 00:01:14,789 --> 00:01:19,909 Speaker 2: from Annie my lazy girl story. I hop into bed 21 00:01:19,949 --> 00:01:22,309 Speaker 2: one night, get all cozy and warm reading my book. 22 00:01:22,469 --> 00:01:24,549 Speaker 2: Then I realize I haven't put my phone on charge, 23 00:01:24,549 --> 00:01:26,589 Speaker 2: which sits on my dresser on the other side of 24 00:01:26,629 --> 00:01:28,749 Speaker 2: my room. I really didn't want to get out of 25 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:31,629 Speaker 2: my warm bet, so I text my husband, who's downstairs, 26 00:01:31,989 --> 00:01:34,509 Speaker 2: that I have a bad headache and could he please 27 00:01:34,549 --> 00:01:38,349 Speaker 2: bring me some painkillers. He's upstairs with the goods I 28 00:01:38,389 --> 00:01:41,509 Speaker 2: don't need. Shortly after and I ask him if he 29 00:01:41,509 --> 00:01:44,949 Speaker 2: could put my phone on charge for me while he's here. 30 00:01:45,429 --> 00:01:48,229 Speaker 2: He's on to me. He rolls his eyes and he 31 00:01:48,309 --> 00:01:50,709 Speaker 2: puts it on charge. Anyway. I give him a wink 32 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:53,029 Speaker 2: and a butts lap and send him on his way, 33 00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:55,949 Speaker 2: happily reading my book in bed. She's a lazy girl, 34 00:01:56,189 --> 00:01:59,189 Speaker 2: warm and company, lazy girl for the weird. I love 35 00:01:59,229 --> 00:02:03,229 Speaker 2: it because there's something about asking four panad dol can't 36 00:02:03,349 --> 00:02:05,269 Speaker 2: question you get out of jail. Sometimes I do that, 37 00:02:05,349 --> 00:02:08,109 Speaker 2: Like sometimes I'll just be a mad bitch right and 38 00:02:08,429 --> 00:02:11,229 Speaker 2: be awful yeah, and Y'll be like oh and it's 39 00:02:11,269 --> 00:02:13,749 Speaker 2: clearly like one cutting comment too many, and I'm like, 40 00:02:13,869 --> 00:02:19,309 Speaker 2: I'm not well, I'm fine or period pain don't have mine? 41 00:02:19,309 --> 00:02:21,949 Speaker 2: And then I even at like a cheeky three am 42 00:02:21,989 --> 00:02:25,869 Speaker 2: I've been known to do this. Right, I'm parked. I 43 00:02:25,869 --> 00:02:29,509 Speaker 2: get very parched, right, especially if we've had burgers and 44 00:02:29,629 --> 00:02:31,189 Speaker 2: we'll get to two or three am, and I'll go, 45 00:02:31,269 --> 00:02:33,869 Speaker 2: I really want to water. And also maybe I went 46 00:02:33,909 --> 00:02:35,669 Speaker 2: to hard on the burgers. Maybe I donate a panadole. 47 00:02:35,909 --> 00:02:40,469 Speaker 2: But with panadole inevitably comes or some hydration. And so 48 00:02:40,589 --> 00:02:42,749 Speaker 2: I say, get me, and then you take the two 49 00:02:42,789 --> 00:02:44,909 Speaker 2: panel and then you wash it down and you're like, actually, 50 00:02:44,909 --> 00:02:47,749 Speaker 2: I was just this. I feel like I'm gonna faint. 51 00:02:51,069 --> 00:02:51,269 Speaker 1: Ah. 52 00:02:52,429 --> 00:02:56,909 Speaker 2: You know who's not a lazy girl? Jojo more la 53 00:02:57,069 --> 00:03:00,749 Speaker 2: any lazy girl. So today we are talking about Jojo Siwa. 54 00:03:01,229 --> 00:03:05,589 Speaker 2: Is that a real name? Joel Joni Sewa is an 55 00:03:05,589 --> 00:03:10,229 Speaker 2: American singer, dancer, actress, and media personality. 56 00:03:11,189 --> 00:03:15,829 Speaker 1: I don't really care about what they did. I'm come 57 00:03:15,909 --> 00:03:18,149 Speaker 1: back like a boom of band. And Jojo had a 58 00:03:18,229 --> 00:03:20,269 Speaker 1: well out to my new house. 59 00:03:20,549 --> 00:03:22,469 Speaker 2: Hey, you guys give my dancing because you know it 60 00:03:22,549 --> 00:03:22,749 Speaker 2: was out. 61 00:03:22,869 --> 00:03:23,709 Speaker 1: There's a a little bit. 62 00:03:23,789 --> 00:03:24,629 Speaker 2: What has go to you, guys? 63 00:03:24,909 --> 00:03:25,909 Speaker 1: I'm a human brand? 64 00:03:26,349 --> 00:03:29,509 Speaker 2: Yeah you are? You are a human brand? Yeah? Oh 65 00:03:29,589 --> 00:03:32,389 Speaker 2: I want to be you. She has more energy than 66 00:03:32,469 --> 00:03:35,229 Speaker 2: all the lazy girls put together. Easily. And this is 67 00:03:35,269 --> 00:03:38,389 Speaker 2: why lazy girls aren't celebrated enough, because sometimes you can 68 00:03:38,429 --> 00:03:41,309 Speaker 2: have too much energy. Sometimes you can and you can 69 00:03:41,349 --> 00:03:43,269 Speaker 2: try too hard and do too much. And even like 70 00:03:43,309 --> 00:03:45,429 Speaker 2: you're dancing, I just think could do with less energy. Yeah, 71 00:03:45,709 --> 00:03:49,749 Speaker 2: just less. Just she is twenty one. That actually makes 72 00:03:49,789 --> 00:03:51,869 Speaker 2: me feel a bit bad because can you imagine the 73 00:03:51,989 --> 00:03:55,749 Speaker 2: cringe shit we would have done. Actually no, because we 74 00:03:55,749 --> 00:03:58,589 Speaker 2: were too lazy and too shy. But yeah, you're allowed 75 00:03:58,589 --> 00:04:02,469 Speaker 2: to be cringe at twenty one. Yeah, in fact, you're obliged. Well. 76 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:04,269 Speaker 2: I feel like we should start off by just saying 77 00:04:04,309 --> 00:04:06,549 Speaker 2: Jojo see why is a bit of fun. Yeah, and 78 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:10,509 Speaker 2: this isn't about Jojo see why the person no Joelle 79 00:04:10,549 --> 00:04:12,189 Speaker 2: or whatever you said her name is. It's about Joe 80 00:04:12,229 --> 00:04:14,789 Speaker 2: Josie Well, the idea and with that we can have 81 00:04:14,829 --> 00:04:18,469 Speaker 2: a play. Yes. In twenty thirteen, when she was about ten, 82 00:04:18,829 --> 00:04:21,909 Speaker 2: she appeared as the youngest contestant on the second season 83 00:04:21,949 --> 00:04:25,789 Speaker 2: of Abby's Ultimate Dance Competition, produced by Abby Lee Miller 84 00:04:25,949 --> 00:04:26,909 Speaker 2: of Dance Mum's Fame. 85 00:04:27,669 --> 00:04:32,829 Speaker 3: No New Crane Children, that buck yell, I'm gonna cry. 86 00:04:33,149 --> 00:04:35,109 Speaker 2: She deserves nothing. 87 00:04:36,789 --> 00:04:39,789 Speaker 3: Don't have an attitude that you are entitled in this world. 88 00:04:39,989 --> 00:04:40,549 Speaker 1: You are not. 89 00:04:41,469 --> 00:04:45,989 Speaker 2: You deserve nothing else you earn it. Speaking of people, 90 00:04:46,029 --> 00:04:48,949 Speaker 2: you cancel along the way, we'll get to Abby. Then. 91 00:04:49,109 --> 00:04:52,029 Speaker 2: From twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, so starting when she 92 00:04:52,189 --> 00:04:54,789 Speaker 2: was about twelve, she appeared as a dancer on two 93 00:04:54,869 --> 00:04:58,469 Speaker 2: seasons of Dance Mums with her mum Jessa Lee. Okay, 94 00:04:58,789 --> 00:05:02,349 Speaker 2: I have not seen Dance Mums in full, but I've 95 00:05:02,669 --> 00:05:05,309 Speaker 2: seen it like clips on Yeah. I've seen so many 96 00:05:05,309 --> 00:05:08,069 Speaker 2: clips on TikTok that I think I have actually seen 97 00:05:08,109 --> 00:05:10,989 Speaker 2: the whole thing, and they do give a general sense 98 00:05:11,029 --> 00:05:12,949 Speaker 2: of things. What I need to know is whether Jojo 99 00:05:13,069 --> 00:05:18,669 Speaker 2: Siwa can dance. Can Jojo Seaward dance, Yes, so, she 100 00:05:18,669 --> 00:05:21,629 Speaker 2: can tie her hair back tied, she can put her 101 00:05:21,629 --> 00:05:24,549 Speaker 2: bone air things, she can do the splits are right. 102 00:05:24,909 --> 00:05:29,309 Speaker 2: Can she do tricks? Yes? All right, But I would 103 00:05:29,309 --> 00:05:31,789 Speaker 2: say she's not the best at tricks. I watched a 104 00:05:31,869 --> 00:05:34,269 Speaker 2: Dance Mum's clip where it's her and another hip hop 105 00:05:34,349 --> 00:05:36,989 Speaker 2: dancer and they're like, Jojo, you were out shown by 106 00:05:37,029 --> 00:05:39,669 Speaker 2: the other hip hop dancer who is far better at tricks. 107 00:05:39,829 --> 00:05:41,949 Speaker 2: I don't understand a lot about dance, but I think 108 00:05:41,989 --> 00:05:46,349 Speaker 2: I prefer hip hop because I don't really understand jazz 109 00:05:46,509 --> 00:05:52,069 Speaker 2: or tap, contemporary temporary, but as an outsider, and I 110 00:05:52,069 --> 00:05:54,829 Speaker 2: think this is probably something that all dancers should listen to. 111 00:05:54,949 --> 00:05:57,829 Speaker 2: Lean in, Lean in if you're a dancer. We want tricks, 112 00:05:58,349 --> 00:06:01,069 Speaker 2: more tricks, because when we see movements we think we 113 00:06:01,109 --> 00:06:03,349 Speaker 2: can do that, we know we can't. And this is 114 00:06:03,389 --> 00:06:07,189 Speaker 2: something I've noticed watching the DCC the Cheerleader Show, is 115 00:06:07,869 --> 00:06:09,549 Speaker 2: could I do that? Do I have the rhythm? No? 116 00:06:09,589 --> 00:06:12,549 Speaker 2: But I imagine I could. When you do a trick, 117 00:06:12,789 --> 00:06:15,669 Speaker 2: a trick such as a jump split, that's when I 118 00:06:15,669 --> 00:06:18,389 Speaker 2: know you're better than me. So I never understand when 119 00:06:18,389 --> 00:06:20,589 Speaker 2: I watch a routine why it doesn't go trick trick, 120 00:06:20,589 --> 00:06:22,949 Speaker 2: trick trick, I have only trick. I even think it 121 00:06:22,989 --> 00:06:25,429 Speaker 2: in the Olympics with the floor routine, Yes, with the rhythmic, 122 00:06:25,509 --> 00:06:28,029 Speaker 2: and then they do a thing feedback, more treats. Yes, 123 00:06:28,069 --> 00:06:29,549 Speaker 2: and they do a thing where they just kind of 124 00:06:29,669 --> 00:06:33,269 Speaker 2: do a few actions, do a few actions. I can 125 00:06:33,349 --> 00:06:38,149 Speaker 2: do actions. You can do a front flip. Do that? 126 00:06:38,389 --> 00:06:41,069 Speaker 2: Do the front Why would you do a routine and 127 00:06:41,109 --> 00:06:43,829 Speaker 2: not do a front flip. Ever, if you can do it, 128 00:06:43,869 --> 00:06:45,989 Speaker 2: you need to be doing it. So I did watch 129 00:06:46,029 --> 00:06:47,669 Speaker 2: chick clip where it was the girl who was doing 130 00:06:47,669 --> 00:06:50,909 Speaker 2: all the tricks, and one of the mums was like, well, 131 00:06:50,949 --> 00:06:53,109 Speaker 2: you know, tricks are good when you're young, but then 132 00:06:53,189 --> 00:06:56,029 Speaker 2: you need skill. No, tricks are always good. Tricks are 133 00:06:56,269 --> 00:06:58,749 Speaker 2: One thing I will say about Jojo in terms of 134 00:06:58,749 --> 00:07:02,029 Speaker 2: her dancing, She's no Maddie Zigler, okay, And what Maddie 135 00:07:02,069 --> 00:07:05,389 Speaker 2: Zigler has is and I've learned this from DCC chilias 136 00:07:05,789 --> 00:07:08,829 Speaker 2: present personality. But she has the factor. Oh y race, 137 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:12,429 Speaker 2: some people have the HP factor and people don't like Victoria. 138 00:07:12,549 --> 00:07:15,549 Speaker 2: It's like she's a Victoria is Jojo She's not the 139 00:07:15,629 --> 00:07:20,029 Speaker 2: Victoria because she's actually got all the personality. And I'd 140 00:07:20,069 --> 00:07:23,669 Speaker 2: say they always say Jojo, you're a star, but to me, 141 00:07:24,669 --> 00:07:27,149 Speaker 2: the skill is not as high as Maddie. Okay. Anyway. 142 00:07:27,349 --> 00:07:30,629 Speaker 2: From twenty seventeen onwards, Jojo was signed to Nickelodeon and 143 00:07:30,669 --> 00:07:33,789 Speaker 2: released music and appeared in a bunch of Nickelodeon shows. 144 00:07:34,149 --> 00:07:37,269 Speaker 2: There was an animated show called The Jojo and Bobo 145 00:07:37,469 --> 00:07:40,149 Speaker 2: Show Show because she narrated. 146 00:07:39,909 --> 00:07:45,989 Speaker 1: Pernics Yojo e Bobo and Welcome to the Jojo Babo Show. 147 00:07:46,589 --> 00:07:46,749 Speaker 2: Yo. 148 00:07:46,989 --> 00:07:47,229 Speaker 1: Yeah. 149 00:07:47,509 --> 00:07:51,029 Speaker 2: She has one song Boomerang from that era with a 150 00:07:51,149 --> 00:07:55,069 Speaker 2: music video watched over one billion times. Wow, I've never 151 00:07:55,109 --> 00:07:55,429 Speaker 2: watched her. 152 00:07:57,309 --> 00:07:58,229 Speaker 3: They can keep tugging that. 153 00:07:59,349 --> 00:08:02,669 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep buck mar Block and I want you 154 00:08:02,869 --> 00:08:03,429 Speaker 1: with se. 155 00:08:05,669 --> 00:08:06,789 Speaker 3: Yellowish Chanzy. 156 00:08:08,029 --> 00:08:11,109 Speaker 2: She became iconic for her hair bows and she released 157 00:08:11,109 --> 00:08:13,989 Speaker 2: her own line of hair bows, which we will get to. Recently, 158 00:08:14,189 --> 00:08:16,589 Speaker 2: she went viral for her song Karma and the public 159 00:08:16,749 --> 00:08:21,189 Speaker 2: Arma that match. I should have known better. You know 160 00:08:22,429 --> 00:08:25,589 Speaker 2: that has lived rent free in my head for what 161 00:08:25,829 --> 00:08:28,789 Speaker 2: feels like he is now. She has also appeared on 162 00:08:28,869 --> 00:08:31,669 Speaker 2: the US version of The Masked Singer and Dancing with 163 00:08:31,749 --> 00:08:34,589 Speaker 2: the Stars, where she and her partner came second. I 164 00:08:34,629 --> 00:08:37,749 Speaker 2: think that's cheating. Going on Dancing with the Stars when 165 00:08:37,789 --> 00:08:40,429 Speaker 2: you're on Dance Mums is cheating. She was also a 166 00:08:40,509 --> 00:08:43,109 Speaker 2: judge on So You Think You Can Dance and just 167 00:08:43,149 --> 00:08:45,349 Speaker 2: as a side note, she was listed as one of 168 00:08:45,469 --> 00:08:48,629 Speaker 2: Time's one hundred most Influential People in twenty twenty and 169 00:08:48,749 --> 00:08:54,549 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, where the World's at Also just fun fact, 170 00:08:54,629 --> 00:08:57,589 Speaker 2: JoJo's mum started bleaching her hair when she was a toddler, 171 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:58,629 Speaker 2: like one and a half. 172 00:08:59,029 --> 00:09:01,309 Speaker 3: I have been dyeing my hair since I was like two, 173 00:09:01,589 --> 00:09:04,429 Speaker 3: maybe one and a half. I'm not a natural blonde. 174 00:09:04,509 --> 00:09:07,309 Speaker 3: I'm actually a natural bloud. I get brown loods, so 175 00:09:07,389 --> 00:09:08,989 Speaker 3: I have to diet so it looks like I'm a 176 00:09:09,109 --> 00:09:09,749 Speaker 3: natural blonde. 177 00:09:10,389 --> 00:09:12,069 Speaker 2: So you've got six months to be able to start 178 00:09:12,149 --> 00:09:14,989 Speaker 2: bleaching Luna's hair. I must say, Lona's head does not 179 00:09:15,109 --> 00:09:18,869 Speaker 2: know what color is. It's very mousey. My structure for 180 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:23,269 Speaker 2: today is as follows. Dance Mums, her hairbow range, a 181 00:09:23,389 --> 00:09:28,789 Speaker 2: little girl dressed as a monkey, America's Got Talent controversy Karma. Unrelatedly, 182 00:09:28,989 --> 00:09:32,309 Speaker 2: the promotion of Karma and Jojo. Have you learned nothing? 183 00:09:33,109 --> 00:09:40,589 Speaker 2: Dance Mums Dance Moms deserves its own episode of canceled. 184 00:09:40,629 --> 00:09:43,429 Speaker 2: We have known this for some time, but it's hard 185 00:09:43,549 --> 00:09:46,069 Speaker 2: because how do you be exhaustive? We've got to sit 186 00:09:46,149 --> 00:09:47,829 Speaker 2: down and watch the whole seam. Is this the one 187 00:09:47,869 --> 00:09:50,869 Speaker 2: with the Abbey Lee Yeah? Okay. The show followed the 188 00:09:50,949 --> 00:09:54,629 Speaker 2: training and careers of children in dance under Abby Lee 189 00:09:54,709 --> 00:09:58,109 Speaker 2: Miller and followed them on the Abbey Lee Dance Company 190 00:09:58,309 --> 00:10:03,589 Speaker 2: Junior Elite competition team as they learned and competed. The 191 00:10:03,749 --> 00:10:06,709 Speaker 2: best part was all the mums fighting with each other 192 00:10:06,909 --> 00:10:10,229 Speaker 2: and fighting with Abby and they're like, why did you 193 00:10:10,309 --> 00:10:12,909 Speaker 2: give that solo to that dancer. My kid is better. 194 00:10:13,029 --> 00:10:15,149 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I just want your mother to quit 195 00:10:15,189 --> 00:10:16,669 Speaker 1: speaking for you. You're fifteen years old. 196 00:10:16,749 --> 00:10:18,789 Speaker 2: Grow the hell up. You know what, you shut the 197 00:10:18,869 --> 00:10:21,109 Speaker 2: hell up. No, did you just sit here and say 198 00:10:21,189 --> 00:10:23,229 Speaker 2: that my daughter looks miserable, so maybe we should put 199 00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:25,949 Speaker 2: kilany in her place? Said yes, you most certainly. No, 200 00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:34,069 Speaker 2: I didn't dang that lesson. I said, brook girls out 201 00:10:34,069 --> 00:10:39,829 Speaker 2: the room. In the years since the show, Miller has 202 00:10:39,829 --> 00:10:44,029 Speaker 2: been criticized for her toxic and abusive teaching methods. She 203 00:10:44,229 --> 00:10:47,829 Speaker 2: shamed young girls for their weight. She did things like 204 00:10:47,989 --> 00:10:50,109 Speaker 2: making them dance with the sack of potatoes and then 205 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:52,829 Speaker 2: saying that's how it'll feel if you put on five pounds. 206 00:10:53,429 --> 00:10:57,549 Speaker 2: She named their stomachs like, gave them like nicknames. She 207 00:10:57,749 --> 00:11:00,709 Speaker 2: mocked contestants, and she was generally just very very cruel. 208 00:11:00,829 --> 00:11:03,749 Speaker 2: That was the stick. She's also been accused by past 209 00:11:03,789 --> 00:11:06,509 Speaker 2: contestants of being racist, with a mom from the show 210 00:11:06,669 --> 00:11:10,069 Speaker 2: calling her and her daughter's experience traumatic like she loves 211 00:11:10,309 --> 00:11:13,269 Speaker 2: having like a storyline for a kid who happened to 212 00:11:13,309 --> 00:11:16,749 Speaker 2: be a person of color, where it's like, oh, you're 213 00:11:16,909 --> 00:11:22,669 Speaker 2: from the slums whatever, playing into racist stereotypes. Yeah, she 214 00:11:22,789 --> 00:11:25,669 Speaker 2: made some very poor decisions. One episode of the show 215 00:11:25,869 --> 00:11:30,669 Speaker 2: called Topless show Girls no longer appears on streaming services 216 00:11:30,789 --> 00:11:34,429 Speaker 2: because it made the children, the little girls appear topless 217 00:11:34,789 --> 00:11:38,629 Speaker 2: with like nude tops, and people went, actually, that ain't right. 218 00:11:38,949 --> 00:11:41,229 Speaker 2: I think I was talking to Mum about this recently 219 00:11:41,269 --> 00:11:44,269 Speaker 2: with dancing, because I look at my little girl. We 220 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:47,029 Speaker 2: put the wiggles on and she bounces excitedly, so dancing. 221 00:11:47,589 --> 00:11:49,789 Speaker 2: She's got the music in her right. And I think 222 00:11:50,189 --> 00:11:53,389 Speaker 2: I understand the appeal of dance. It's great exercise and 223 00:11:53,429 --> 00:11:57,349 Speaker 2: it's great expression. Level of that. What I don't understand 224 00:11:57,469 --> 00:12:00,589 Speaker 2: is why we have to hump chairs because it happens 225 00:12:00,749 --> 00:12:05,269 Speaker 2: very quickly, so quickly from wiggles hot Potatoto to humping chairs. 226 00:12:05,989 --> 00:12:10,469 Speaker 2: And then we're in leotards with our bottoms hanging out, 227 00:12:11,069 --> 00:12:12,829 Speaker 2: and we are four years old, and we are four 228 00:12:12,909 --> 00:12:14,989 Speaker 2: years old, and we are wearing lip liner and we 229 00:12:15,189 --> 00:12:17,869 Speaker 2: do have eyelashes on. It's like, how is that related 230 00:12:18,829 --> 00:12:22,389 Speaker 2: to the dance. Why can't we dance to Dorothy the Dinas? Yeah, 231 00:12:22,509 --> 00:12:24,749 Speaker 2: just dressed them all up as dinosaurs. I don't care. 232 00:12:25,069 --> 00:12:28,589 Speaker 2: But it's the humping of the chair line yeah, or 233 00:12:28,669 --> 00:12:31,749 Speaker 2: the topless show girls, or the let's chuck a pole 234 00:12:31,829 --> 00:12:34,349 Speaker 2: in there and get them to gyrate that. I go, 235 00:12:35,069 --> 00:12:39,669 Speaker 2: this feels sexualized. Yeah, it does. In twenty sixteen, Abby 236 00:12:39,829 --> 00:12:43,629 Speaker 2: Lee then pled guilty to concealing her income from her 237 00:12:43,709 --> 00:12:46,229 Speaker 2: performances on the show in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen, 238 00:12:46,589 --> 00:12:52,309 Speaker 2: bankruptcy fraud, concealment of bankruptcy assets, and false bankruptcy declarations. 239 00:12:52,549 --> 00:12:55,149 Speaker 2: So she spent a year and one day in prison. 240 00:12:55,909 --> 00:13:00,189 Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you think she thris she's a 241 00:13:00,349 --> 00:13:03,949 Speaker 2: literal criminal and also like a cultural criminal. But I 242 00:13:03,989 --> 00:13:06,589 Speaker 2: feel like if I was in prison and Abbylee walked in, 243 00:13:07,029 --> 00:13:09,429 Speaker 2: I'd be like, I don't endorse what you did. Can 244 00:13:09,509 --> 00:13:13,589 Speaker 2: you teach me that? I'd be like, take me a trick, 245 00:13:13,749 --> 00:13:16,389 Speaker 2: scream at me like you scream it. Jojo. This year, 246 00:13:16,789 --> 00:13:21,309 Speaker 2: during a Dance Mum's reunion, when past contestants were expressing 247 00:13:21,389 --> 00:13:26,109 Speaker 2: their distress over their experiences under Abby, Jojo defended her. 248 00:13:26,789 --> 00:13:31,149 Speaker 2: She said, to me, Abby was always right. One thing 249 00:13:31,189 --> 00:13:35,429 Speaker 2: I've learned really working insane and Hollywood is that's normal, 250 00:13:36,029 --> 00:13:38,669 Speaker 2: and it's scary that that's normal. But that taught me 251 00:13:38,789 --> 00:13:41,789 Speaker 2: how to survive in the industry. So basically, she was 252 00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:44,309 Speaker 2: saying to all the girls who were saying, oh, my 253 00:13:44,669 --> 00:13:48,669 Speaker 2: self esteem, my life trajectory was negatively affected by this 254 00:13:48,789 --> 00:13:51,789 Speaker 2: woman who relentlessly yelled at me as a child. Jojo 255 00:13:51,989 --> 00:13:55,069 Speaker 2: was saying, Mmm, yeah, but like tough enough, because that's 256 00:13:55,149 --> 00:13:57,989 Speaker 2: what the industry is. Yeah, well that's the problem. 257 00:13:58,149 --> 00:13:58,509 Speaker 3: M M. 258 00:14:00,069 --> 00:14:04,389 Speaker 2: I'd also like to enter into the courtroom JoJo's vibe 259 00:14:04,429 --> 00:14:07,629 Speaker 2: on Dance Moms Okay as a ten year old. In 260 00:14:07,749 --> 00:14:11,629 Speaker 2: one episode, Jojo is a guest performer and she's replacing Maddie. 261 00:14:11,789 --> 00:14:16,949 Speaker 2: Maddie has to do some work with Sea Ah. Yes, yes, 262 00:14:18,309 --> 00:14:23,269 Speaker 2: Abby misses JoJo's performance. So JoJo's performing at a competition. 263 00:14:23,669 --> 00:14:29,349 Speaker 2: Abby is late. Jojo went first. JoJo's mum leans forward 264 00:14:29,469 --> 00:14:31,629 Speaker 2: in the row where she's watching from and says, Abby, 265 00:14:31,789 --> 00:14:33,909 Speaker 2: just so you know, I'm really disappointed that you miss 266 00:14:34,109 --> 00:14:38,469 Speaker 2: JoJo's performance because she worked really hard for that performance. 267 00:14:39,029 --> 00:14:42,069 Speaker 2: Then Abby gives all the dances a talk and says, 268 00:14:42,149 --> 00:14:44,269 Speaker 2: you can't be looking for me in the audience because 269 00:14:44,309 --> 00:14:47,669 Speaker 2: I might not be there. And Jojo I'd say, she yells, 270 00:14:49,309 --> 00:14:51,469 Speaker 2: do you feel bad you miss me? Because I'm your 271 00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:58,469 Speaker 2: special guest. Abby tells JoJo's mom that she's creating a one. 272 00:15:00,349 --> 00:15:04,269 Speaker 2: It's very that, it's very Jojo talking back really and 273 00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:06,389 Speaker 2: then and then she goes she's got her mouth on her. 274 00:15:06,549 --> 00:15:08,629 Speaker 2: She gets sent out and her mom says, you've got 275 00:15:08,709 --> 00:15:10,629 Speaker 2: to go in and apologize so that you can still 276 00:15:10,669 --> 00:15:13,149 Speaker 2: be part of the show. And then she's like, you're 277 00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:16,949 Speaker 2: better than her. Jojo Ah bet ah, Yeah, so Jojo. 278 00:15:17,069 --> 00:15:19,509 Speaker 2: A lot of the feedback for Jojo was you're a star. 279 00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:24,629 Speaker 2: You've got all the energy you need to listen. Okay 280 00:15:24,749 --> 00:15:25,789 Speaker 2: for you're listening as well. 281 00:15:25,909 --> 00:15:26,109 Speaker 1: Yeah. 282 00:15:26,589 --> 00:15:38,469 Speaker 2: Right, there's a lot of talking back her hair bow range. 283 00:15:39,029 --> 00:15:41,829 Speaker 2: When Jojo left Ounce Mums, she got a manager who 284 00:15:41,909 --> 00:15:45,029 Speaker 2: basically said, you are meant to be a star. Whatever 285 00:15:45,109 --> 00:15:47,309 Speaker 2: you want, I will make it happen. And so she 286 00:15:47,389 --> 00:15:50,069 Speaker 2: got her a Nickelodeon deal and then that led to 287 00:15:50,109 --> 00:15:53,269 Speaker 2: a whole lot of merch and an article Informs from 288 00:15:53,309 --> 00:15:57,149 Speaker 2: twenty twenty interviews Jojo and she says there are five 289 00:15:57,269 --> 00:16:02,029 Speaker 2: hundred Nickelodeon employees worldwide that support the Jojo brand. I 290 00:16:02,149 --> 00:16:05,269 Speaker 2: can't be present in every business meeting because they're probably 291 00:16:05,349 --> 00:16:08,669 Speaker 2: having three Jojo meetings right now. People in Hong Kong 292 00:16:08,749 --> 00:16:12,429 Speaker 2: are probably having Jojo met. People in Australia are probably 293 00:16:12,469 --> 00:16:15,909 Speaker 2: having Jojo meeting because it's such a huge franchise. I 294 00:16:15,989 --> 00:16:18,549 Speaker 2: probably spend most of my time with Jojo toys. They 295 00:16:18,589 --> 00:16:20,349 Speaker 2: are the biggest seller. How old was she when she 296 00:16:20,429 --> 00:16:23,829 Speaker 2: was saying this, Like teens? Like seventeen eighteen? Okay, cool. 297 00:16:23,869 --> 00:16:27,349 Speaker 2: They're the biggest seller, followed by accessories, apparel and then bedding. 298 00:16:28,429 --> 00:16:31,909 Speaker 2: Shoes are included in apparel. Walmart just placed their biggest 299 00:16:31,909 --> 00:16:35,109 Speaker 2: shoe by ever. It was for over one million pairs 300 00:16:35,669 --> 00:16:38,189 Speaker 2: of JoJo's shoes. That can't be good. They just can't 301 00:16:38,229 --> 00:16:41,309 Speaker 2: be good for your head. It can't be good for landfill. 302 00:16:42,429 --> 00:16:45,589 Speaker 2: But like for Jojo, as a human who's trying to 303 00:16:45,629 --> 00:16:48,309 Speaker 2: manage an ego, we just need to not be telling 304 00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:51,149 Speaker 2: Jojo there's one million JoJo's shoes with her face on it, 305 00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:53,669 Speaker 2: and little girls are sleeping with Jojo in their bed Like, 306 00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:55,349 Speaker 2: I just don't think it's good for us and out 307 00:16:55,549 --> 00:16:57,909 Speaker 2: speaking of our place in the world. Her biggest seller 308 00:16:58,069 --> 00:17:01,669 Speaker 2: of all time has been her those I think I 309 00:17:01,749 --> 00:17:04,229 Speaker 2: remember the bows, she said in this interview. It all 310 00:17:04,269 --> 00:17:08,349 Speaker 2: started with the bows. So far we've sold over eighty million. 311 00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:12,749 Speaker 2: What I look like I'm going to look it up. 312 00:17:12,749 --> 00:17:16,389 Speaker 2: They're huge and colorful and sometimes bedazzled. I like a bow. 313 00:17:16,749 --> 00:17:21,349 Speaker 2: The pricing ranges from five dollars to sixteen dollars a bow. 314 00:17:22,029 --> 00:17:24,549 Speaker 2: So this In this Forbes article, they did a conservative 315 00:17:24,669 --> 00:17:28,589 Speaker 2: estimate which was four hundred million dollars generated by bow 316 00:17:28,749 --> 00:17:35,109 Speaker 2: sales alone, like multicolored, Yeah yeah, every color? Yeap, got it. 317 00:17:35,309 --> 00:17:37,389 Speaker 2: She's on the record is describing her bows as a 318 00:17:37,509 --> 00:17:40,909 Speaker 2: symbol of power. Confidence. 319 00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:43,469 Speaker 1: This isn't a word but believing. 320 00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:47,309 Speaker 2: This, believing. Sometimes something's just a bow, and it's not 321 00:17:47,389 --> 00:17:50,949 Speaker 2: about believing this. In twenty sixteen, she released a line 322 00:17:50,989 --> 00:17:54,709 Speaker 2: of hair bows in collaboration with Clare's you know that 323 00:17:54,909 --> 00:17:59,229 Speaker 2: fashion and jewelry accessory companies Europe, maybe America too. Yeah yeah. 324 00:17:59,349 --> 00:18:03,309 Speaker 2: The line of hair bows was particularly successful among primary 325 00:18:03,389 --> 00:18:07,469 Speaker 2: school students in the UK yep. So successful that so 326 00:18:07,749 --> 00:18:11,309 Speaker 2: many schools had to actively ban them because they breached 327 00:18:11,349 --> 00:18:14,709 Speaker 2: the uniform policy, too colorful to be and also because, 328 00:18:15,069 --> 00:18:19,189 Speaker 2: as one head teacher told the BBC, they're distracting. Oh 329 00:18:19,229 --> 00:18:23,269 Speaker 2: they are. They're enormous, so practically a hat. Apparently, they 330 00:18:23,389 --> 00:18:28,829 Speaker 2: also caused issues with peer pressure and students' concentration on 331 00:18:29,069 --> 00:18:31,069 Speaker 2: and not being able to see the ball. No, because 332 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:32,749 Speaker 2: you're sitting in the back of the classroom and you're like, 333 00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:35,749 Speaker 2: I can't see over my bows. On a mum's net 334 00:18:35,869 --> 00:18:38,389 Speaker 2: forum discussing the bows, one mum told of how her 335 00:18:38,429 --> 00:18:40,589 Speaker 2: ten year old daughter spent all of her Christmas and 336 00:18:40,629 --> 00:18:44,829 Speaker 2: Birthday money over one hundred pounds on bows. She said, 337 00:18:44,909 --> 00:18:46,749 Speaker 2: I'm tempted to chop them all to pieces in the 338 00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:50,189 Speaker 2: middle of the night and claim ignorance. On the other hand, 339 00:18:50,669 --> 00:18:53,589 Speaker 2: one mum told The Daily Mail she felt the schools 340 00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:57,509 Speaker 2: were treating the bows like guns by banning them. Yeah. 341 00:18:57,669 --> 00:19:01,149 Speaker 2: Another head teacher said, we have a massive curriculum now 342 00:19:01,269 --> 00:19:03,989 Speaker 2: in primary schools and there simply is no time for 343 00:19:04,069 --> 00:19:09,829 Speaker 2: added distractions like this. Then, in twenty nineteen, Claire's recalled 344 00:19:10,349 --> 00:19:17,149 Speaker 2: Jojo Siwa branded makeup kit after the FDA issued a 345 00:19:17,229 --> 00:19:21,989 Speaker 2: warning about it containing dangerous levels of ASBESTA. The practical 346 00:19:22,109 --> 00:19:25,349 Speaker 2: users of asbestos are very numerous, Joji, how did we 347 00:19:25,389 --> 00:19:27,869 Speaker 2: get asbestos now to make up something to do with 348 00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:31,589 Speaker 2: talc I actually went quite far. There were quite a 349 00:19:31,629 --> 00:19:33,869 Speaker 2: lot of products that got recalled, but Jojo had to 350 00:19:33,989 --> 00:19:36,949 Speaker 2: an apology and she said, even if you started to 351 00:19:37,069 --> 00:19:39,229 Speaker 2: use it even whatever you return it, you get your 352 00:19:39,269 --> 00:19:44,469 Speaker 2: money back. Because it has you shouldn't you shouldn't keep 353 00:19:44,589 --> 00:19:47,589 Speaker 2: using it. He's asbestos maker. And that's why I mean, 354 00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:49,509 Speaker 2: I'm not blaming Jojo, but this is why we go 355 00:19:49,589 --> 00:19:52,349 Speaker 2: to our meetings m because when they're like, we're doing 356 00:19:52,389 --> 00:19:54,269 Speaker 2: a vote today on whether we put we sprinkle a 357 00:19:54,269 --> 00:19:56,069 Speaker 2: bit of asbestos in our makeup. Well, I don't know. 358 00:19:56,109 --> 00:19:58,149 Speaker 2: She probably wouldn't have even known that was bad. Yeah, 359 00:19:58,749 --> 00:20:02,429 Speaker 2: she would have been like, does it cost anything? A 360 00:20:02,509 --> 00:20:05,989 Speaker 2: little girl just as a monkey. In twenty twenty, Jojo 361 00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:11,149 Speaker 2: was accused of having white dancer Lilliana Ketchman in blackface 362 00:20:11,589 --> 00:20:14,389 Speaker 2: in her circus themed music video for a song called 363 00:20:14,429 --> 00:20:16,429 Speaker 2: non Stop Stuff. 364 00:20:16,469 --> 00:20:17,629 Speaker 1: In their. 365 00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:24,229 Speaker 2: Naked chat Jesse, here are the stills from that film clip. 366 00:20:24,309 --> 00:20:28,669 Speaker 2: Tell me what you see? Yeah, I mean she's got 367 00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:33,509 Speaker 2: black face. That is a child who has painted their 368 00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:38,269 Speaker 2: face brown. She's doing a trick, but she's very much 369 00:20:38,349 --> 00:20:41,909 Speaker 2: painted her face brown. But she's painted her face brown 370 00:20:42,269 --> 00:20:45,069 Speaker 2: clearly to be a monkey. I don't know if that 371 00:20:45,149 --> 00:20:47,949 Speaker 2: makes it better or worse. No, because the edge is 372 00:20:48,469 --> 00:20:50,909 Speaker 2: going in yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's another one. She's 373 00:20:50,949 --> 00:20:53,309 Speaker 2: also doing a trick. But you can clearly see we 374 00:20:53,469 --> 00:20:58,589 Speaker 2: just don't paint our face brown in George Floyd. Yeah 375 00:20:58,869 --> 00:21:02,149 Speaker 2: yeap no yeah too recent. The video was released on 376 00:21:02,389 --> 00:21:06,109 Speaker 2: June teenth, a holiday commemorating the effective end of slavery 377 00:21:06,189 --> 00:21:10,469 Speaker 2: in the United States. Incredible timing. Great. When people called 378 00:21:10,509 --> 00:21:13,989 Speaker 2: it out, Jojo turned off YouTube comments and posted to Instagram, 379 00:21:14,589 --> 00:21:17,429 Speaker 2: this is for all the people I block today. Peace out, 380 00:21:17,709 --> 00:21:20,429 Speaker 2: girl scout. This is my Instagram and anyone who is 381 00:21:20,509 --> 00:21:22,349 Speaker 2: going to be mean is not going to be allowed 382 00:21:22,389 --> 00:21:25,029 Speaker 2: on here. People are bossing me around, telling me who 383 00:21:25,069 --> 00:21:27,629 Speaker 2: to follow, what to post, what to like, what to say, 384 00:21:27,709 --> 00:21:31,789 Speaker 2: what to do, everything what. So She's like, stuff all 385 00:21:31,829 --> 00:21:35,389 Speaker 2: of you, and it's like, that's what happens when you're 386 00:21:35,429 --> 00:21:38,149 Speaker 2: told you're a star from the age of like eight, 387 00:21:38,469 --> 00:21:40,669 Speaker 2: and the people in Hong Kong are having meetings about Jojo. 388 00:21:40,949 --> 00:21:44,349 Speaker 2: Mm hmm you doing yeah yeah, and people call me 389 00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:47,669 Speaker 2: down take on feedback. We don't take on feedback. Well, no, 390 00:21:48,589 --> 00:21:53,789 Speaker 2: America's got talent. Controversy girl group X. I don't even 391 00:21:53,829 --> 00:21:55,549 Speaker 2: know how to say this, and I was so unaware 392 00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:57,549 Speaker 2: of this and to I researched it for this episode. 393 00:21:58,229 --> 00:22:03,589 Speaker 2: X OMG pop exclamation mark. Yeah They were originally formed 394 00:22:03,629 --> 00:22:07,269 Speaker 2: by Jojo Sewa and her mum, jesse Lynne, on their 395 00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:12,069 Speaker 2: reality TV show Seawards Dance in twenty twenty one. I 396 00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:15,709 Speaker 2: cannot explain how many shows this family have been evolved in. 397 00:22:15,869 --> 00:22:18,629 Speaker 2: Does she have a dad? I've not really heard about dad. Okay, 398 00:22:18,749 --> 00:22:21,989 Speaker 2: So her dad is Tom Okay, happens to be a chiropractor. 399 00:22:22,389 --> 00:22:27,109 Speaker 2: Maybe a lot of her dance moves are adjustments. Yeah. 400 00:22:27,949 --> 00:22:30,389 Speaker 2: So they put together this group and then that group 401 00:22:30,469 --> 00:22:33,709 Speaker 2: go on to compete on America's Got Talent. But in 402 00:22:33,869 --> 00:22:37,229 Speaker 2: March twenty twenty four, an article released by Rolling Stone 403 00:22:37,509 --> 00:22:41,709 Speaker 2: accused the Sea was of creating a hostile work environment. 404 00:22:42,309 --> 00:22:46,149 Speaker 2: Leah Sanderson, who has Spina biffitter, was part of the 405 00:22:46,269 --> 00:22:49,429 Speaker 2: original lineup of the group, and she said she was 406 00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:53,189 Speaker 2: fired after her mum, Angie, raised her concerns about the 407 00:22:53,269 --> 00:22:56,069 Speaker 2: treatment of her daughter and the members of the group. 408 00:22:56,389 --> 00:22:59,029 Speaker 2: With the other mothers as well as a studio teacher. 409 00:22:59,789 --> 00:23:03,029 Speaker 2: Sources said that jesse Lynn was overtly cruel to the 410 00:23:03,109 --> 00:23:06,349 Speaker 2: group and shamed one member for having a disability, and 411 00:23:06,509 --> 00:23:10,869 Speaker 2: accused Jojo of being nasty and domineering, even claiming she 412 00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:14,949 Speaker 2: screamed insults at the girls during a performance, Jojo, We're 413 00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:18,349 Speaker 2: taking after Abby again. It's like I'm controlled energy. Mm. 414 00:23:18,709 --> 00:23:20,069 Speaker 2: She doesn't know where to put it. How she yells 415 00:23:20,069 --> 00:23:25,229 Speaker 2: at random? Yeah. Jojo denied the allegations she would Yeah, 416 00:23:25,429 --> 00:23:27,509 Speaker 2: but she hasn't said anything else. And I guess this 417 00:23:27,709 --> 00:23:33,549 Speaker 2: is kind of herm is that she just totally ignores 418 00:23:33,589 --> 00:23:37,189 Speaker 2: and doesn't say anything because she's like criticism. Huh. I'm 419 00:23:37,309 --> 00:23:40,949 Speaker 2: jo Jos of my bedding, Karma and relatedly, the promotion 420 00:23:41,069 --> 00:23:45,069 Speaker 2: of Karma. In April this year, Jojo released her debut 421 00:23:45,109 --> 00:23:48,309 Speaker 2: single as a grown up artist, Colma, I was a 422 00:23:48,469 --> 00:23:49,189 Speaker 2: bad girl. 423 00:23:49,749 --> 00:23:52,829 Speaker 1: I did some bad thos. I swear I did it 424 00:23:53,069 --> 00:23:56,669 Speaker 1: off for fun and knit nursing it never have. 425 00:23:57,629 --> 00:24:00,189 Speaker 2: Not only is the song appalling, but the film clip 426 00:24:00,229 --> 00:24:03,069 Speaker 2: is hypersexual and just very strange. Yeah all right, so 427 00:24:03,189 --> 00:24:06,589 Speaker 2: let's just ender some vibes, okay, So come as a bitch. 428 00:24:07,309 --> 00:24:13,989 Speaker 2: I should. And the dance is severely lacking in tricks. 429 00:24:14,109 --> 00:24:17,869 Speaker 2: The dance is a series sharp movements that will do 430 00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:22,469 Speaker 2: your neck out too much. It's too much. The dance 431 00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:26,669 Speaker 2: needs to be real back twenty it's too much. It's 432 00:24:26,749 --> 00:24:28,549 Speaker 2: not good on the joints. And then it's kind of 433 00:24:28,629 --> 00:24:32,389 Speaker 2: like there's a jump in there, and it's not hot. 434 00:24:32,749 --> 00:24:35,469 Speaker 2: It doesn't make you look good. It doesn't have any rhythm. 435 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:38,269 Speaker 2: It's just bam bam, bam, bam bam, which brings us 436 00:24:38,309 --> 00:24:44,989 Speaker 2: to the esthetic, which is just kiss the band kiss. 437 00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:47,309 Speaker 2: But it's a lightning thing on her on her face, 438 00:24:47,349 --> 00:24:49,789 Speaker 2: and she's wearing kind of black leather as though she 439 00:24:50,629 --> 00:24:54,989 Speaker 2: vented it. But that's just you just stole it. Promoting 440 00:24:55,069 --> 00:24:58,069 Speaker 2: the single, she said in an interview with Billboard, I 441 00:24:58,189 --> 00:25:01,109 Speaker 2: want to start a new genre of music. It's called 442 00:25:01,149 --> 00:25:05,669 Speaker 2: gay pop. People got really mad. Is she gay? Yes? 443 00:25:05,869 --> 00:25:08,469 Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Have you seen the film clip that 444 00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:11,589 Speaker 2: it starts with her hum being a girl? Yeah? No, 445 00:25:11,709 --> 00:25:14,789 Speaker 2: I did say I didn't know. I didn't know, Okay, Okay, 446 00:25:14,909 --> 00:25:17,349 Speaker 2: something interesting about the film clip is, and people have 447 00:25:17,389 --> 00:25:21,829 Speaker 2: commented on this, she loves to dance about her sexuality. 448 00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:24,909 Speaker 2: She loves humping, humping, dry humping. Well, she went to 449 00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:31,109 Speaker 2: she is, but there's no kissing. Okay, it's like hyper 450 00:25:31,189 --> 00:25:34,309 Speaker 2: sexualized without like the kind of tiny well, I mean 451 00:25:34,349 --> 00:25:35,589 Speaker 2: that's very a dance it is. 452 00:25:35,789 --> 00:25:35,989 Speaker 3: It is. 453 00:25:36,269 --> 00:25:38,429 Speaker 2: It's very a dance school because you kind of learn, 454 00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:42,189 Speaker 2: you learn splits, you learn pirouette and you learn as 455 00:25:42,189 --> 00:25:44,789 Speaker 2: a forementioned tump in a chair, so you've got three 456 00:25:44,869 --> 00:25:47,229 Speaker 2: moves in your epertoire And in order to do her 457 00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:50,869 Speaker 2: film clip, she was like, a hump, I'll do a jump. 458 00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:54,229 Speaker 2: She does this awful jump with like bent legs. It 459 00:25:54,429 --> 00:26:00,269 Speaker 2: just doesn't look right. It looks like it's so bad anyway. 460 00:26:00,989 --> 00:26:03,669 Speaker 2: So there's never been a gay popeye Conboy. People got 461 00:26:03,709 --> 00:26:05,789 Speaker 2: really upset about her saying she was inventing a John 462 00:26:05,829 --> 00:26:10,749 Speaker 2: recalled gay George, Michael, George, Michael, Elton John, just so many. 463 00:26:11,429 --> 00:26:14,549 Speaker 2: Then there was backlash from queer musicians Teagan and Sarah, 464 00:26:14,909 --> 00:26:17,189 Speaker 2: who did a video being like, I don't think they 465 00:26:17,229 --> 00:26:19,469 Speaker 2: even said anything, but it was just that audio, and 466 00:26:19,509 --> 00:26:23,509 Speaker 2: then being like you feel serious because they massive, yeah, 467 00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:28,069 Speaker 2: massive queer pop a while ago. See what said in 468 00:26:28,109 --> 00:26:30,909 Speaker 2: the later interview, I am not the inventor of gay 469 00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:33,989 Speaker 2: pop for sure not I might not be the president, 470 00:26:34,229 --> 00:26:37,629 Speaker 2: but I might be the CEO or the CMO. She 471 00:26:37,709 --> 00:26:40,229 Speaker 2: also then went on a tangent about like what I 472 00:26:40,309 --> 00:26:42,709 Speaker 2: meant was like, gay pop isn't a genre like blues 473 00:26:43,469 --> 00:26:45,869 Speaker 2: or wrap, and it's like, yeah, that's because it's you 474 00:26:45,989 --> 00:26:49,509 Speaker 2: have four hundred people working for you. Why doesn't anyone 475 00:26:49,629 --> 00:26:53,589 Speaker 2: brief you on like a line on what to say 476 00:26:53,709 --> 00:26:56,669 Speaker 2: in an interview, what not to say? We rehearse, you 477 00:26:56,749 --> 00:26:59,149 Speaker 2: know how hard you rehearse those dances? Because I did 478 00:26:59,309 --> 00:27:03,069 Speaker 2: not ask my TikTok algorithm to show me. I've every 479 00:27:03,189 --> 00:27:06,549 Speaker 2: rehearsal of you doing your Karma dance and I must stay. Actually, 480 00:27:06,709 --> 00:27:10,989 Speaker 2: I remember thinking this, this is an incredible launch, like 481 00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:14,829 Speaker 2: in terms of the publicity, in terms it's incredible in 482 00:27:14,949 --> 00:27:19,669 Speaker 2: terms of quantity. Quantity, Yes, the girl goes hard on quantity. 483 00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:24,229 Speaker 2: She was on call her daddy. The song hasn't done 484 00:27:24,989 --> 00:27:27,509 Speaker 2: well in terms of things. I want to cancel Jojo 485 00:27:27,549 --> 00:27:29,429 Speaker 2: Force okay, because this is what I was confused about, 486 00:27:29,629 --> 00:27:31,789 Speaker 2: is according to the world, that song of them performing, 487 00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:36,549 Speaker 2: according to Jojo Si was TikTok. That song was the 488 00:27:36,669 --> 00:27:40,669 Speaker 2: best was performing song ever created, which same with my 489 00:27:40,829 --> 00:27:47,349 Speaker 2: inst with everyone's Instagram. Yes, but when that song came out, 490 00:27:47,429 --> 00:27:50,429 Speaker 2: she said something that sounded like when I wrote Karma, 491 00:27:50,589 --> 00:27:53,189 Speaker 2: but not those exact words, and then everybody got mad 492 00:27:53,549 --> 00:27:56,149 Speaker 2: because they were like, you didn't write it. This other artist, 493 00:27:56,309 --> 00:28:01,349 Speaker 2: brit somebody had already released it. And what happens in 494 00:28:01,429 --> 00:28:04,549 Speaker 2: pop music is like this Brit person never properly released it, 495 00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:06,309 Speaker 2: so it kind of goes back into the pool. And 496 00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:08,709 Speaker 2: then Jojo picked it out and she's like, I never 497 00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:12,269 Speaker 2: said that I wrote it, which her language was careful. Anyway, 498 00:28:12,749 --> 00:28:16,629 Speaker 2: people got so mad at Jojo for saying she wrote 499 00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:21,109 Speaker 2: it that the brit version of Karma was higher in 500 00:28:21,189 --> 00:28:24,669 Speaker 2: the charts than JoJo's version. The internet just trolls her back. Yeah, 501 00:28:24,749 --> 00:28:28,869 Speaker 2: I just troll her back. She also criticized online culture 502 00:28:29,349 --> 00:28:31,029 Speaker 2: when she was getting some of the backlash for this, 503 00:28:31,149 --> 00:28:33,589 Speaker 2: saying I could say I want well peace and everyone 504 00:28:33,589 --> 00:28:35,509 Speaker 2: would be like, how dare you want peace for the world? 505 00:28:35,749 --> 00:28:39,629 Speaker 2: It'll blow up in her defense, yes, that is culture, 506 00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:43,709 Speaker 2: but also you're saying some weird things. You're saying some 507 00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:48,309 Speaker 2: weird things, Jesse. Here are a couple of my favorite 508 00:28:48,829 --> 00:28:52,589 Speaker 2: interview clips from her. I'd call it a promotional tour, 509 00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:55,509 Speaker 2: which let's remember she's not promoting an album, She's promoting 510 00:28:55,629 --> 00:28:58,429 Speaker 2: a single, Okay, And this is what people in the 511 00:28:58,469 --> 00:29:01,629 Speaker 2: music industry will tell you, less making music, more promotion. Yeah, 512 00:29:01,629 --> 00:29:03,229 Speaker 2: and she has heard that message loud and clear. 513 00:29:03,349 --> 00:29:06,589 Speaker 1: No one has made this dramatic of a change yet, 514 00:29:06,869 --> 00:29:11,109 Speaker 1: no one has made in my generation, there's dream of 515 00:29:11,189 --> 00:29:14,109 Speaker 1: a switch and I am the first of the generation. 516 00:29:14,309 --> 00:29:15,669 Speaker 1: It is very scary, but. 517 00:29:16,869 --> 00:29:20,629 Speaker 2: Was gonna do it. She reminds me of my administration 518 00:29:20,829 --> 00:29:26,149 Speaker 2: has accomplished more than almost any administration. She has the same, 519 00:29:26,229 --> 00:29:28,949 Speaker 2: and she has Tom Trumper. I mean it lovingly, which 520 00:29:29,069 --> 00:29:35,349 Speaker 2: is but it's like audacity, audacity and delusion. Miley Cyrus, 521 00:29:35,509 --> 00:29:40,269 Speaker 2: for example, is someone who made an incredible transformation mana. 522 00:29:40,509 --> 00:29:43,789 Speaker 2: She didn't say that. No one says that. No one 523 00:29:43,829 --> 00:29:46,029 Speaker 2: says that. But then she said of my generation, I'm like, oh, 524 00:29:46,229 --> 00:29:50,109 Speaker 2: you are twenty one, like something else is in her generation. Yeah, 525 00:29:50,909 --> 00:29:53,269 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, but it just it's a 526 00:29:53,389 --> 00:29:55,949 Speaker 2: weird thing to say, Honey, we need to again twenty 527 00:29:55,989 --> 00:29:57,349 Speaker 2: five percent less always. 528 00:29:57,989 --> 00:30:01,149 Speaker 1: And I started doing music, and honestly, we started off 529 00:30:01,269 --> 00:30:05,789 Speaker 1: like pretty pretty calm, like nothing like nothing like what's 530 00:30:05,869 --> 00:30:09,189 Speaker 1: up right now? And then I got pitched this song 531 00:30:09,349 --> 00:30:13,069 Speaker 1: Coma and it's the first word is iur was a 532 00:30:13,189 --> 00:30:15,429 Speaker 1: bad girl And I was like, oh fuck, it's a 533 00:30:15,469 --> 00:30:17,109 Speaker 1: good song. I was like, but I can't say that. 534 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,349 Speaker 1: I can't say I'm a bad girl. I'm not. I 535 00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:22,189 Speaker 1: sang every Girl's a super girl last week, like I 536 00:30:22,269 --> 00:30:23,629 Speaker 1: can't sing I was a bad girl this week. 537 00:30:23,629 --> 00:30:26,989 Speaker 2: It doesn't work, Jesse. That's from her her daddy. Yeah, 538 00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:30,949 Speaker 2: I think I listened to the whole thing and she 539 00:30:31,189 --> 00:30:35,789 Speaker 2: was what did she wearing in that interview with the 540 00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:38,469 Speaker 2: friend of that with the Remember when we were in 541 00:30:38,589 --> 00:30:42,909 Speaker 2: high school and you would get doorbeads, doorbeats were disgusting 542 00:30:42,989 --> 00:30:48,869 Speaker 2: by the ways at and it's like this is distracting 543 00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:51,909 Speaker 2: and no one says anything. It's just the whole time. 544 00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:56,149 Speaker 2: But it's the earnestness. She's like, you know the lyrics 545 00:30:56,229 --> 00:31:01,509 Speaker 2: were You think that she's gonna say something outrage but 546 00:31:01,589 --> 00:31:04,309 Speaker 2: she's like, I can't. I wasn't a bad girl. I 547 00:31:04,509 --> 00:31:10,349 Speaker 2: wasn't a bad gral. She's like, I was eighteen, I 548 00:31:10,469 --> 00:31:13,349 Speaker 2: wasn't a bad girl. But now I'm twenty one and 549 00:31:13,429 --> 00:31:16,869 Speaker 2: it's like, whoa jojo? What have you done? Your hair down? 550 00:31:17,589 --> 00:31:21,029 Speaker 2: Taking it at your bones. It's very easy to mark. 551 00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:23,989 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a word in the English language 552 00:31:25,429 --> 00:31:31,869 Speaker 2: for jojo energy. It's such confidence in yourself. 553 00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:33,069 Speaker 1: It is. 554 00:31:33,589 --> 00:31:35,909 Speaker 2: It's a generation that grew up on believe in yourself 555 00:31:36,109 --> 00:31:38,589 Speaker 2: and that's all you need to do. It's like when 556 00:31:38,629 --> 00:31:42,789 Speaker 2: they talk about themselves, tears come to their eyes. They 557 00:31:42,829 --> 00:31:46,349 Speaker 2: are over there come. They're moved by themselves and their 558 00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:49,749 Speaker 2: own talent. Yeah, and brilliant and success. Yeah, cancel, listeners. 559 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:52,189 Speaker 2: Can you help us think of a word? Yeah, we 560 00:31:52,309 --> 00:31:54,789 Speaker 2: need to add a new word to the dictionary. That 561 00:31:55,149 --> 00:31:57,829 Speaker 2: is jojo and also Donald Trump. 562 00:31:57,589 --> 00:31:58,829 Speaker 1: I am the first of the generation. 563 00:31:59,109 --> 00:32:03,629 Speaker 2: Nobody can do it like me? Nobody? Yes, my podcast, 564 00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:05,149 Speaker 2: Oh my. 565 00:32:05,229 --> 00:32:08,229 Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, honestly, let's myst think that one of 566 00:32:08,229 --> 00:32:08,709 Speaker 1: my exes. 567 00:32:09,189 --> 00:32:16,269 Speaker 2: Oh, dream yes on my podcast on my exites all now, 568 00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:22,469 Speaker 2: I have said that sentence so many times. Dream guess 569 00:32:22,589 --> 00:32:26,109 Speaker 2: on my podcast one. Why does she sound like two 570 00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:30,109 Speaker 2: things smoking for fifty years? It's not. It's like Selma 571 00:32:30,429 --> 00:32:34,269 Speaker 2: from the Simpsons. What are their names? Marge's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 572 00:32:34,349 --> 00:32:39,269 Speaker 2: she sounds like them. He's wearing pain, which is interesting 573 00:32:39,309 --> 00:32:42,349 Speaker 2: because her instrument is her voice and she doesn't take 574 00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:45,189 Speaker 2: care of it. The vocal friars out of this world, Yes, 575 00:32:45,869 --> 00:32:48,549 Speaker 2: one of my axes. All. It's a way that she's 576 00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:51,789 Speaker 2: so like can you believe her? And it's like you 577 00:32:51,989 --> 00:32:55,749 Speaker 2: said it and she turns around and she's like, oh 578 00:32:56,189 --> 00:32:58,509 Speaker 2: that's okay. She just thinks she's so cool and chilled 579 00:32:58,549 --> 00:33:01,749 Speaker 2: out and relaxed. Yes, like she's just said something candid. 580 00:33:01,789 --> 00:33:04,869 Speaker 2: It's like she's writing the headline as she says it. Yeah, 581 00:33:05,069 --> 00:33:08,429 Speaker 2: like Joel d said it, and it's like, but what 582 00:33:08,589 --> 00:33:12,549 Speaker 2: you've said isn't even a very unusual thing to say. 583 00:33:12,589 --> 00:33:16,229 Speaker 2: It's not particularly interesting, and you've added too much energy 584 00:33:16,309 --> 00:33:21,029 Speaker 2: to it. You know. People say like it's confidence instead 585 00:33:21,069 --> 00:33:25,389 Speaker 2: of competence or something like it. Your confidence is masking 586 00:33:25,989 --> 00:33:32,269 Speaker 2: a lack of substance. Substance beneath speaking of confidence, did 587 00:33:32,349 --> 00:33:36,029 Speaker 2: you know that she got the eye makeup that she 588 00:33:36,189 --> 00:33:40,909 Speaker 2: had at the iHeart Radio Awards that were fled stop 589 00:33:40,989 --> 00:33:43,869 Speaker 2: it stopid she just werves free there. It's the same 590 00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:46,629 Speaker 2: eye makeup and costume that she wears in the film 591 00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:50,629 Speaker 2: clip for Karma. Anyway, she got that tattooed on her forearm. Oh, 592 00:33:50,749 --> 00:33:53,789 Speaker 2: you're gonna regret that. We're gonna regret that, Jojo. This 593 00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:55,869 Speaker 2: is why we need to do things in arms. Yeah, 594 00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:58,029 Speaker 2: we just need to be a little bit more half 595 00:33:58,109 --> 00:34:09,469 Speaker 2: hearted with what we put out into the world. Jesse. 596 00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:12,069 Speaker 2: Here are some of the reactions to Karma. I want 597 00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:15,109 Speaker 2: you to read them all right, tell me why I 598 00:34:15,309 --> 00:34:18,109 Speaker 2: just watched Jojo Sewa's music video, and she was humping 599 00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:20,469 Speaker 2: the girl so harshly. I have tears. I'm embarrassed in 600 00:34:20,509 --> 00:34:23,269 Speaker 2: this community. That video should have stayed in the drafts. 601 00:34:23,429 --> 00:34:25,949 Speaker 2: Yeah correct, Yeah, okay, here we go. The film clip 602 00:34:26,109 --> 00:34:29,469 Speaker 2: is just I don't think she's very good at cory. Yeah. 603 00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:31,669 Speaker 2: I reckon that. If Abby Lee teaches her a dance, 604 00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:33,949 Speaker 2: I think she can pull it off. I don't think 605 00:34:34,029 --> 00:34:37,309 Speaker 2: she's a choreographer. Okay. I need everyone to know. The 606 00:34:37,429 --> 00:34:40,989 Speaker 2: label told Jojo sewat no on the budget to create 607 00:34:41,069 --> 00:34:43,549 Speaker 2: this music video, so she paid for the entire thing herself, 608 00:34:43,629 --> 00:34:46,309 Speaker 2: co directed it, and co choreographed it. She talks quite 609 00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:48,629 Speaker 2: emotionally about how she had the concept for this video 610 00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:51,509 Speaker 2: two years ago, and then you're like, oh my gosh, 611 00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:53,309 Speaker 2: what is the concept? What's it trying to say? It's 612 00:34:54,429 --> 00:35:00,229 Speaker 2: you are dressed as cussed on an island. Yeah, yeah, 613 00:35:00,349 --> 00:35:03,989 Speaker 2: throwing your neck out. Get that Jojo Sewar video off 614 00:35:04,109 --> 00:35:06,949 Speaker 2: my timeline. I'm begging. I feel exactly the same, because 615 00:35:06,989 --> 00:35:09,949 Speaker 2: it wasn't just the music video. It was then everywhere 616 00:35:10,189 --> 00:35:12,349 Speaker 2: Joe goes, She's like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna 617 00:35:12,389 --> 00:35:15,269 Speaker 2: do it. Everyone's like, please, don't you can surprise she's 618 00:35:15,309 --> 00:35:18,949 Speaker 2: a pride and everyone's like, she's doing it. There's one 619 00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:22,349 Speaker 2: in I think Times Square there's like and I'm just like, Jojo, 620 00:35:23,549 --> 00:35:26,669 Speaker 2: you're gonna hate yourself because she slams too hard. And 621 00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:29,589 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're young now, but your ankles can't handle it. 622 00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:34,029 Speaker 2: Jojo me, that wasn't an earthquake. I was learning, Jojo, 623 00:35:34,109 --> 00:35:37,309 Speaker 2: see while coreography now. That was in response to there 624 00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:39,669 Speaker 2: was actually an earthquake, and there are a bunch of 625 00:35:39,749 --> 00:35:42,829 Speaker 2: tweets being like, not an earthquake, not an earthquake? A 626 00:35:42,869 --> 00:35:44,789 Speaker 2: show an earthquake. That got to Cooda Johnson drawing that 627 00:35:44,869 --> 00:35:49,949 Speaker 2: interview cranically was great. Question. Finally, Jojo, have you learned nothing? 628 00:35:50,709 --> 00:35:54,069 Speaker 2: There's a viral moment from Dance Mums where Jojo asks 629 00:35:54,149 --> 00:35:57,389 Speaker 2: a question and Abby yells at her. This is what 630 00:35:58,229 --> 00:35:59,309 Speaker 2: she says, don't you. 631 00:35:59,349 --> 00:36:00,549 Speaker 1: Know the order officellas? 632 00:36:02,869 --> 00:36:12,309 Speaker 2: Jojo, have you learned nothing? She's like, do you know 633 00:36:12,389 --> 00:36:18,429 Speaker 2: the order of the solos? Do you know the order 634 00:36:18,509 --> 00:36:20,469 Speaker 2: of the solos? The order that we're going in for 635 00:36:20,549 --> 00:36:24,869 Speaker 2: our solo for one? So she asks someone it's just 636 00:36:24,989 --> 00:36:30,189 Speaker 2: furious she wasn't, so she yelled, I have you learned? 637 00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:33,909 Speaker 2: Nothing is angry? It's this way. 638 00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:36,149 Speaker 1: Jojo. 639 00:36:37,429 --> 00:36:42,269 Speaker 2: She's so bad, she's so angry. People say, JoJo's face 640 00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:44,509 Speaker 2: is actually quite cute reaction to that, because she's not 641 00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:49,269 Speaker 2: ske she's just confused. She looks like a puppy. It's 642 00:36:49,309 --> 00:36:51,429 Speaker 2: the kind of scream you would do if your child 643 00:36:51,549 --> 00:36:56,389 Speaker 2: ran onto a highway and was really like their life 644 00:36:56,469 --> 00:36:58,229 Speaker 2: was in danger and you just had a second to 645 00:36:58,269 --> 00:37:03,829 Speaker 2: get them back. Jo asked the stupid question all the time. 646 00:37:04,469 --> 00:37:07,069 Speaker 2: But my point is now the internet is yelling the 647 00:37:07,149 --> 00:37:11,109 Speaker 2: same thing at Jojo because she's released other song. Oh 648 00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:14,229 Speaker 2: has she called Guilty Pleasure? Why have I not heard this? 649 00:37:14,309 --> 00:37:27,389 Speaker 2: Where's the publicity? Well, where's the publicity? Bit psure, it's 650 00:37:27,469 --> 00:37:31,469 Speaker 2: not different, it's not different, it's just sid on. What 651 00:37:31,669 --> 00:37:34,069 Speaker 2: she's done is she's re oriented the Karma dance to 652 00:37:34,189 --> 00:37:37,709 Speaker 2: face the side, and what it has is a lot 653 00:37:37,749 --> 00:37:39,509 Speaker 2: of what I'm going to term a stomp and clump, 654 00:37:40,389 --> 00:37:43,709 Speaker 2: which is when we're just stumping really, really hard, which 655 00:37:43,749 --> 00:37:46,349 Speaker 2: is I think what dances do when they're making up 656 00:37:46,429 --> 00:37:48,469 Speaker 2: for a lack of excitement in their routine is they 657 00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:51,149 Speaker 2: just stamp really hard. And I guess if you're Jojo. 658 00:37:51,229 --> 00:37:53,789 Speaker 2: You're known for your energy. You're known for your energy, 659 00:37:53,989 --> 00:37:59,109 Speaker 2: but we're lacking flips bridges, high kit. It's not enough, Jesse. 660 00:37:59,389 --> 00:38:02,789 Speaker 2: Here are the reactions. There needs to be like a 661 00:38:02,909 --> 00:38:06,109 Speaker 2: three year break between each song so we can recover mentally. 662 00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:09,229 Speaker 2: I think my for You page knew that I needed 663 00:38:09,269 --> 00:38:12,749 Speaker 2: a Jojo brak go No, it's okay, we won't. Someone's 664 00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:17,869 Speaker 2: written in capitals, Jojo, what's this? That's me? I think 665 00:38:17,989 --> 00:38:21,509 Speaker 2: my pleasure piece just shriveled up and died. True, yeah, sorry, 666 00:38:21,629 --> 00:38:25,869 Speaker 2: pleasure piece is part of the levy Okay. JoJo's biggest 667 00:38:25,989 --> 00:38:29,549 Speaker 2: fan is Jojo, and I do agree with that number. 668 00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:32,069 Speaker 2: Worry taken by that dance, and she's the one who 669 00:38:32,109 --> 00:38:33,509 Speaker 2: you know we need to make up of TikTok dance. 670 00:38:33,549 --> 00:38:35,189 Speaker 2: The idea is that it goes viral and them people 671 00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:37,549 Speaker 2: do it. I've not seen a single person catch on. 672 00:38:37,909 --> 00:38:41,269 Speaker 2: The only person I see do JoJo's dance is Jojo. 673 00:38:41,949 --> 00:38:45,269 Speaker 2: Poor people mocking. Nobody has been like all in earnest 674 00:38:45,549 --> 00:38:48,149 Speaker 2: learn this dance to look like Jojo, which could be 675 00:38:48,269 --> 00:38:50,789 Speaker 2: a genius PR strategy. Yeah, because a lot of people 676 00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:53,749 Speaker 2: have recreated it to laugh at it. It's hilarious. This 677 00:38:53,949 --> 00:38:56,909 Speaker 2: sounds like it would be in the Trolls franchise. I 678 00:38:57,069 --> 00:39:00,549 Speaker 2: quite like that. I think her songs generally do sound 679 00:39:00,869 --> 00:39:03,829 Speaker 2: like they'd be in the Trolls. I agree. There's something 680 00:39:03,869 --> 00:39:08,189 Speaker 2: you've missed, and I've realized actually worried because there's so 681 00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,829 Speaker 2: much with Jojo that I did worry i'd miss something. 682 00:39:10,949 --> 00:39:15,749 Speaker 2: And it's one of the most viral Jojo Siwa videos ever. 683 00:39:16,189 --> 00:39:18,029 Speaker 2: And there's a counselble offense like it could be a 684 00:39:18,309 --> 00:39:20,789 Speaker 2: complete segment on its own. Okay, you need to watch 685 00:39:20,829 --> 00:39:23,069 Speaker 2: it at the same time because it's Jojo singing in 686 00:39:23,149 --> 00:39:26,589 Speaker 2: her car. Oh you know the video, right? Okay, I 687 00:39:26,749 --> 00:39:29,589 Speaker 2: have an issue in that I deleted TikTok recently for 688 00:39:29,709 --> 00:39:33,829 Speaker 2: my mental health and it is making my career difficult. Continue, 689 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:34,349 Speaker 2: all right, here we. 690 00:39:34,389 --> 00:39:37,349 Speaker 1: Go your sildrit. 691 00:39:43,309 --> 00:39:45,429 Speaker 2: I want you to describe what JoJo's face looks like. 692 00:39:45,949 --> 00:39:49,869 Speaker 2: It's so rad it's so red, she looks like she's 693 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:52,989 Speaker 2: gonna pass out. And what's the caption? So I think 694 00:39:53,029 --> 00:39:54,749 Speaker 2: she put this on Snapchat and she said, I know 695 00:39:54,869 --> 00:39:57,669 Speaker 2: it's not perfect, but it's much better than how it 696 00:39:57,749 --> 00:40:00,189 Speaker 2: started exclamation mark. So she shared this to be like 697 00:40:00,309 --> 00:40:02,069 Speaker 2: come on give me, because the thing is she does 698 00:40:02,149 --> 00:40:04,709 Speaker 2: get criticized because people say she doesn't sing, she yells 699 00:40:05,149 --> 00:40:07,829 Speaker 2: and it's all been auto tuned, yes, And then when 700 00:40:07,869 --> 00:40:09,429 Speaker 2: people bring that up to her, she's like, I never 701 00:40:09,469 --> 00:40:11,509 Speaker 2: said I could sing, and it's like you released Carmak. 702 00:40:12,709 --> 00:40:14,469 Speaker 2: And then she did this in her car because she 703 00:40:14,589 --> 00:40:16,109 Speaker 2: was like trying to learn how to sing, and she's 704 00:40:16,269 --> 00:40:19,109 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say she's tone deaf, but like she can't 705 00:40:20,029 --> 00:40:22,269 Speaker 2: hit yeah, no, no, no, she's missing the note. And 706 00:40:22,349 --> 00:40:25,829 Speaker 2: then she shared it and she's clearly she's pushing it 707 00:40:25,869 --> 00:40:28,189 Speaker 2: too hard. Yeah, which she can tell. She's not looking 708 00:40:28,229 --> 00:40:31,029 Speaker 2: after her vocals no at all, Jesse is time charges 709 00:40:31,029 --> 00:40:39,989 Speaker 2: and sentences my charge, Jess. The thing is that the 710 00:40:40,109 --> 00:40:43,989 Speaker 2: judges on Dance Mums they had it right when she 711 00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:48,189 Speaker 2: was ten, and it's simply that she's got too much 712 00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:52,789 Speaker 2: energy and there's not enough listening. What's funny about that 713 00:40:52,989 --> 00:40:56,229 Speaker 2: is I didn't know before Jojo came along. They're inner 714 00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:59,629 Speaker 2: dance context. You could have too much energy. What you 715 00:40:59,709 --> 00:41:01,989 Speaker 2: often get is there's not enough energy. Push it harder, 716 00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:03,429 Speaker 2: push it, push it, push it. Give her a one 717 00:41:03,509 --> 00:41:07,469 Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent. I don't think we had ever 718 00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:10,589 Speaker 2: seen a hundred and ten percent until Jojo came along 719 00:41:10,669 --> 00:41:13,069 Speaker 2: and we went wind it too much. Wind it back 720 00:41:13,269 --> 00:41:16,269 Speaker 2: one hundred is enough. The other interesting thing about Jojo 721 00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:20,149 Speaker 2: is so abby. Lee said, she's a star when she's 722 00:41:20,189 --> 00:41:24,909 Speaker 2: on her own, when she dances with other people, she's 723 00:41:24,909 --> 00:41:29,669 Speaker 2: out at time. She's out of time. She is what 724 00:41:29,789 --> 00:41:32,189 Speaker 2: you say about her being out of time when she 725 00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:35,269 Speaker 2: performs karma on her own in times square, she's out 726 00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:38,149 Speaker 2: of time. Yeah, she's also out of time with her 727 00:41:38,189 --> 00:41:41,069 Speaker 2: own dance. Yes, it's just not quite right. So my 728 00:41:41,189 --> 00:41:43,709 Speaker 2: sentence is quite clear. We've said it a few times, 729 00:41:43,869 --> 00:41:47,789 Speaker 2: and it's just so incredibly obvious. Jojo, under one of 730 00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:51,669 Speaker 2: your bows, you've got a dial right of your levels 731 00:41:52,429 --> 00:41:54,389 Speaker 2: we need to wind and it is on the top 732 00:41:54,389 --> 00:41:57,269 Speaker 2: of her head. Yeah, under her ponytail. She's got the 733 00:41:57,309 --> 00:41:59,429 Speaker 2: look of someone who's tied her hair back tight for 734 00:41:59,509 --> 00:42:02,469 Speaker 2: a lot of diet yea to hide the dial. And 735 00:42:02,549 --> 00:42:05,349 Speaker 2: we're going to need to wind that dial back a 736 00:42:05,549 --> 00:42:08,829 Speaker 2: full twenty five percent, Jojo, h and not twenty four percent, 737 00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:12,389 Speaker 2: because we're still to be stomping if we need to 738 00:42:12,469 --> 00:42:15,949 Speaker 2: wind it twenty five percent and just some feedback more tricks. 739 00:42:16,509 --> 00:42:18,149 Speaker 2: Great Yeah, because there are some that need to be 740 00:42:18,189 --> 00:42:21,709 Speaker 2: wound up. We've said this about say Megan Markle could 741 00:42:21,749 --> 00:42:25,229 Speaker 2: probably up it a little, Yeah, we need I'm caring 742 00:42:25,269 --> 00:42:27,709 Speaker 2: midway through a New York and New Year's a performance 743 00:42:27,749 --> 00:42:28,869 Speaker 2: when she said I don't want to be here, I 744 00:42:28,909 --> 00:42:31,269 Speaker 2: want to be on holiday. Just wind it up a little, Okay. 745 00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:33,869 Speaker 2: The other thing with Jojo is she did a performance 746 00:42:33,909 --> 00:42:36,189 Speaker 2: a Pride that I saw, and she does a trick. 747 00:42:36,669 --> 00:42:40,109 Speaker 2: She jumps splits and then lands in the splits fabulous. 748 00:42:40,109 --> 00:42:41,629 Speaker 2: And then she's like, oh my god, can't believe I 749 00:42:41,709 --> 00:42:44,109 Speaker 2: did this. I can't even do the splits anymore. And 750 00:42:44,189 --> 00:42:47,229 Speaker 2: I'm like, One, you just did it, so that would 751 00:42:47,229 --> 00:42:50,389 Speaker 2: have hurt if you can't do it anymore. Two, Jojo, 752 00:42:50,469 --> 00:42:54,469 Speaker 2: why can't you do the slits anymore? Professional dancer? Spending 753 00:42:54,509 --> 00:42:56,549 Speaker 2: too much time on your bows and not enough time 754 00:42:56,589 --> 00:42:58,389 Speaker 2: on your dancing, and that's why there are enough tricks 755 00:42:58,389 --> 00:43:00,149 Speaker 2: because you can't do them anymore. Well, my charge is 756 00:43:00,229 --> 00:43:04,389 Speaker 2: related spending too much time on promotion, in fact, only promoting, 757 00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:08,309 Speaker 2: exclusively promoting. Yeah, so what she did is she sat 758 00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:12,109 Speaker 2: in the room with the Hong Kong office, the Australian office, 759 00:43:12,269 --> 00:43:15,149 Speaker 2: all the four hundred people at Nickelodeon. Question remark, question remark, 760 00:43:15,229 --> 00:43:18,629 Speaker 2: working for Jojo Sieber, and she went, we've done betting, 761 00:43:18,749 --> 00:43:22,589 Speaker 2: we've done bows. Now let's talk about the promotion for 762 00:43:22,709 --> 00:43:25,629 Speaker 2: my song Karma. And they went, what song Carma? And 763 00:43:25,749 --> 00:43:28,429 Speaker 2: she said, we'll get that's the n's meeting. Yeah, yea, 764 00:43:28,749 --> 00:43:30,949 Speaker 2: Now we're going to talk about the promotion. Yeah, because 765 00:43:30,989 --> 00:43:36,549 Speaker 2: I'm thinking this and then a blitz. Blitz is the 766 00:43:36,629 --> 00:43:39,149 Speaker 2: only way I can describe it. In fact, you know 767 00:43:39,189 --> 00:43:43,549 Speaker 2: how we are looking for the word that describes her personality, blitz. 768 00:43:44,349 --> 00:43:48,389 Speaker 2: She is a blitz. Oh blitz you yeah, yeah, So 769 00:43:48,709 --> 00:43:51,109 Speaker 2: thinking of blitz, this is my mood board and it's 770 00:43:51,229 --> 00:43:55,029 Speaker 2: just kiss the band and I've already got the touch masked. 771 00:43:55,669 --> 00:43:57,669 Speaker 2: And then they say, why don't we rethink this look 772 00:43:57,829 --> 00:44:00,549 Speaker 2: and she's like, can't already got the touch? And then 773 00:44:01,309 --> 00:44:04,989 Speaker 2: she does the dance that she's made up, which really 774 00:44:05,069 --> 00:44:08,789 Speaker 2: doesn't lyrically or rhythmically with Karma at all. So that's 775 00:44:08,829 --> 00:44:12,749 Speaker 2: in the aftermath. Now my sentence is different, and in fact, 776 00:44:12,869 --> 00:44:16,189 Speaker 2: I think Jojo will like this because of the aforementioned charge. 777 00:44:16,669 --> 00:44:18,229 Speaker 2: If you want to promote something, if you want to 778 00:44:18,269 --> 00:44:21,269 Speaker 2: sell something, Karma's not working. Guilty pleasure is not working. 779 00:44:21,789 --> 00:44:25,349 Speaker 2: I think bows have had their day. Bottle it. Mm, 780 00:44:26,149 --> 00:44:28,869 Speaker 2: whatever's going on. I don't think she's on drugs. No 781 00:44:29,709 --> 00:44:34,549 Speaker 2: imagine would take that drug. Yeah, whatever's happening. Take it 782 00:44:34,629 --> 00:44:36,949 Speaker 2: from JoJo's blood and sell it to people like us. 783 00:44:37,189 --> 00:44:41,869 Speaker 2: Go to your local blood mag give some of the blitz. 784 00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:47,029 Speaker 2: Call it blitz to others, call it JoJo's blood. I 785 00:44:47,269 --> 00:44:50,549 Speaker 2: will insert some because I need twenty five percent more. 786 00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:55,149 Speaker 2: Great idea, that's actually a great health initiative. Bottle Jojo 787 00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:59,909 Speaker 2: and sell Jojo to people who need it. Jesse, that 788 00:45:00,069 --> 00:45:02,909 Speaker 2: is all we've got time for on today's episode of Canceled. 789 00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:07,389 Speaker 2: Canceled is produced by Telissa Bazaz with audio editing by 790 00:45:07,509 --> 00:45:09,749 Speaker 2: Tom Lyon. If you have a lazy girl story, you 791 00:45:09,789 --> 00:45:12,429 Speaker 2: can see end it to us at the Twins, Underscore 792 00:45:12,469 --> 00:45:15,509 Speaker 2: Thoughts or podcasts at momeya dot com dot au. We 793 00:45:15,669 --> 00:45:18,189 Speaker 2: will share the receipts on our Instagram as well, and 794 00:45:18,229 --> 00:45:20,349 Speaker 2: we'll ch out to you next week. Bye Byeye