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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. If you, like me, can't look away from

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Speaker 2: what's happening right now in the United States, then.

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Speaker 3: This is the episode for you.

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Speaker 2: Here are some of the major questions floating around my

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Speaker 2: brain in regards to the biggest stories out of Trump's America.

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Speaker 2: What does Charlie Kirk's death tell us about people's attitudes

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Speaker 2: towards politics? Is the US about to overturn same sex marriage?

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Speaker 2: I've courts the last line of defense in Trump's America?

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Speaker 2: And what's on the cards for the president's social diary

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Speaker 2: in the coming weeks. You know, normal stuff to be

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Speaker 2: in your brain. All of that and more in Today's

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Speaker 2: at Trump Date with Amelia Lester. But before we get there,

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Speaker 2: here's Claire Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI news

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Speaker 2: room for Tuesday, September sixteenth.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor, you tag Governor Spencer Cox, says Tyler Robinson,

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Speaker 1: the man arrested over the killing of right wing activist

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk is not cooperating with authorities. Investigators are working

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Speaker 1: to establish a motive for the shooting by talking to

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Speaker 1: Robinson's friends and family, but they're yet to piece together

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Speaker 1: why Robinson allegedly scaled a rooftop at Utah Valley University

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Speaker 1: during an outdoor event and shot Kirk in the neck

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Speaker 1: at long range. On Wednesday, Cox told the American ABC

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Speaker 1: network that Robinson has not confessed, saying he's not cooperating,

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Speaker 1: but all the people around him are. Cox also claimed

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Speaker 1: who was also allegedly his romantic partner. Cox describing him

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Speaker 1: roommate or representatives for the roommate to seek comment. The

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Speaker 1: guidelines for social media platforms to comply with the age

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Speaker 1: restriction laws will be released by Communications Minister Annika Wells

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Speaker 1: and a Safety Commissioner, Julian mart Today, platforms will be

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Speaker 1: expected to find and deactivate or remove underage accounts, in

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Speaker 1: the rules. Reliance on self declaration alone will not be

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Speaker 1: also considered principles based, meaning platforms are not required to

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Speaker 1: use specific technologies, including those tested in the age assurance trial.

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Speaker 1: Under the laws, social media companies are also prohibited from

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Speaker 1: US officials say the United States and China have reached

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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump is set to speak with Chinese President

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Speaker 1: Jijiping on Friday, after trade talks in Europe between the

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, buckle up, it's time for another Trump date.

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Speaker 2: As always, there's something to talk about when it comes

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Speaker 2: to the United States. Most recently, the assassination of right

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Speaker 4: For years, those on the Radica left have compared wonderful

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Speaker 4: for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today,

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Speaker 4: and it must stop right now. My administration will find

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Speaker 2: Now. During that same address, Trump listed off a bunch

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Speaker 2: attacks actually reshaping how Washington operates. Trump's administration now reportedly

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Speaker 2: a minute. And finally, the President's social agenda. After a

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Speaker 3: Later this week.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi will get some quality FaceTime with

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Speaker 2: when we put this conversation on the books last week,

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Speaker 2: The thing that I keep seeing when people are reporting

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Speaker 2: in general, is that this event was an act of

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Speaker 2: political violence. When we talk about political violence, it's when

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Speaker 3: Is that correct? That's correct, and that's why people are

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Speaker 3: also calling it assassination because he was on a college campus.

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Speaker 3: think that he's the reason why Trump won a second

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And in addition to their voting, they really

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, there's been a lot of comparison that's been drawn

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Speaker 2: House of Representative Speaker Melissa Hortman. She and her husband

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Speaker 2: Why has Kirk's death drawn as much attention and outpouring

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Speaker 3: So really good question. It's when I've been wondering about too.

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Speaker 3: the first reason why it's really broken through in the

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Speaker 3: by all accounts, was very close with Charlie Kirk. They

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Speaker 3: They were friends. Trump doesn't have many friends, but I

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Speaker 3: So when Trump came out, I mean he was the

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Speaker 3: one who announced Kirk had died. Yes, he was playing

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Speaker 2: Another response to the death of Kirk is that of

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Speaker 2: Trump officials reportedly asking Congress for an additional fifty eight

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Speaker 2: While we're in the court's Amelia, I want to very

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Speaker 2: Now, these petitions go across the court bench so often,

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Speaker 2: What concerned me while researching this Amelia is that people

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Speaker 3: Wow. I hadn't heard that. It's pretty shocking to hear.

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Speaker 2: So I've been pondering that question of our courts the

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm not a lawyer. Hillary Clinton is, and I

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Speaker 2: Just a few quick notes on the president's social calendar.

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Speaker 2: He's headed to the UK for state visit later this week.

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Speaker 2: Is Trump going to stop ghosting him? Will he finally

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Table Strano

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Speaker 2: and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.