1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:23,874 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:18,834 --> 00:00:21,674 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 3 00:00:21,714 --> 00:00:24,634 Speaker 2: culture Fixed. I'm Laura Bretney and I'm Cassemi Lukitch and 4 00:00:24,794 --> 00:00:27,354 Speaker 2: coming up on the show today. Look, the Oscar nominations 5 00:00:27,354 --> 00:00:30,394 Speaker 2: happened last week, but we must talk about them now 6 00:00:30,474 --> 00:00:34,074 Speaker 2: because there have been some huge shocks, some huge surprises, 7 00:00:34,354 --> 00:00:35,714 Speaker 2: and it's shaping up to be one of the most 8 00:00:35,754 --> 00:00:40,074 Speaker 2: exciting Oscar races in years. Plus, if you can believe it, 9 00:00:40,114 --> 00:00:43,193 Speaker 2: we have an update on the Beckham family feud. Everything 10 00:00:43,273 --> 00:00:45,434 Speaker 2: about what Victoria Beckham is doing this week is going 11 00:00:45,473 --> 00:00:48,633 Speaker 2: to cement her reputation going forward. Plus we've had some 12 00:00:48,793 --> 00:00:51,993 Speaker 2: interesting posts from Nikola and Brooklyn. Plus people from the 13 00:00:52,034 --> 00:00:54,754 Speaker 2: wedding have actually come forward under their own names to 14 00:00:54,834 --> 00:00:58,514 Speaker 2: confirm what happened in that now infamous bridal dance. There 15 00:00:58,554 --> 00:01:01,874 Speaker 2: is so much to say, but first some other breaking news. 16 00:01:02,314 --> 00:01:07,514 Speaker 1: So Netflix have announced a new three part documentary on 17 00:01:07,594 --> 00:01:11,834 Speaker 1: America's Next Top Model. It's called Reality Check Inside America's 18 00:01:11,874 --> 00:01:14,514 Speaker 1: Next Top Model, and we got a preview of it. 19 00:01:14,554 --> 00:01:15,874 Speaker 1: We're not gonna be able to see it yet, but 20 00:01:15,954 --> 00:01:20,714 Speaker 1: the trailer itself really really excited me. Now, if you 21 00:01:20,754 --> 00:01:23,313 Speaker 1: are a millennial in the two thousands, this show started 22 00:01:23,314 --> 00:01:26,554 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, so that was like my 23 00:01:26,874 --> 00:01:30,474 Speaker 1: teenage years. This show was such a huge part of 24 00:01:30,514 --> 00:01:36,034 Speaker 1: my upbringing and I was obsessed with it. And over 25 00:01:36,114 --> 00:01:40,074 Speaker 1: recent years people have really criticized some of the challenges 26 00:01:40,114 --> 00:01:42,074 Speaker 1: of the show, the way that some of these women 27 00:01:42,274 --> 00:01:45,914 Speaker 1: were treated, the make covis, the crazy things, the weight, 28 00:01:46,234 --> 00:01:49,434 Speaker 1: all of that has been sort of discussed. The thing is, 29 00:01:49,514 --> 00:01:53,794 Speaker 1: though Tyra has never really addressed it properly. 30 00:01:53,874 --> 00:01:56,274 Speaker 3: She's spoken a few times about it. 31 00:01:56,874 --> 00:02:00,754 Speaker 1: Very lightly, but generally she's tried to sort of stay 32 00:02:00,794 --> 00:02:03,674 Speaker 1: out of it. In the trailer, Tyra says, I knew 33 00:02:03,674 --> 00:02:06,074 Speaker 1: I went too far, and then a few sentences later 34 00:02:06,354 --> 00:02:08,754 Speaker 1: it goes but that's what you asked for for me there. 35 00:02:08,794 --> 00:02:10,394 Speaker 1: I've got so much to say about that. I feel 36 00:02:10,434 --> 00:02:13,274 Speaker 1: like we should unpack it when this show actually comes out, 37 00:02:13,353 --> 00:02:16,874 Speaker 1: But there's so much here. We also see j Manuel, 38 00:02:16,994 --> 00:02:19,514 Speaker 1: who was, you know, their sidekick to Tyra. 39 00:02:19,674 --> 00:02:21,234 Speaker 3: He used to be her makeup artist. 40 00:02:21,834 --> 00:02:24,754 Speaker 1: Nigel Barker is also in a Miss Jay the Runway 41 00:02:24,794 --> 00:02:27,394 Speaker 1: coach is also there, so it's just a bit of 42 00:02:27,394 --> 00:02:27,994 Speaker 1: a sneak. 43 00:02:27,754 --> 00:02:30,194 Speaker 3: Peek, but I'm really really excited about this one. 44 00:02:30,514 --> 00:02:32,314 Speaker 2: Yeah, the trailer to give us a lot of inside 45 00:02:32,394 --> 00:02:34,474 Speaker 2: what to expect, and so yeah, we've got a lot 46 00:02:34,474 --> 00:02:37,434 Speaker 2: of the judges kind of recounting their experiences. What we've 47 00:02:37,434 --> 00:02:39,994 Speaker 2: seen from the teaser. It's a lot of them caveating 48 00:02:40,034 --> 00:02:42,394 Speaker 2: what they did or giving behind the scenes stories to 49 00:02:42,594 --> 00:02:46,714 Speaker 2: excuse their behavior, or them looking quite shocked at what happened, 50 00:02:47,154 --> 00:02:49,754 Speaker 2: or even them sort of saying like they were not 51 00:02:50,194 --> 00:02:52,514 Speaker 2: happy with how the women were treated on set or 52 00:02:52,514 --> 00:02:54,794 Speaker 2: how they were treated. We're kind of getting like that idea, 53 00:02:54,834 --> 00:02:56,754 Speaker 2: there'll be a lot of stories to sort of come 54 00:02:56,794 --> 00:02:58,874 Speaker 2: out on that side. Plus then there's a lot of 55 00:02:59,074 --> 00:03:02,034 Speaker 2: former contestants who are being interviewed about their time in 56 00:03:02,074 --> 00:03:04,034 Speaker 2: the show, and a lot of them have spoken up before, 57 00:03:04,074 --> 00:03:07,034 Speaker 2: but we're seeing them break down in tears because of treatment. 58 00:03:07,154 --> 00:03:10,394 Speaker 2: They're talking about medical procedures that were performed on them 59 00:03:10,434 --> 00:03:12,714 Speaker 2: as part of makeovers on the show, and they're breaking 60 00:03:12,714 --> 00:03:15,914 Speaker 2: down in tears because there were like bad health effects 61 00:03:15,954 --> 00:03:18,354 Speaker 2: after that. Like it's this kind of melting pot of 62 00:03:18,394 --> 00:03:21,474 Speaker 2: all these people essentially talking about trauma. Like it's very 63 00:03:21,594 --> 00:03:24,754 Speaker 2: for a show that was so glamorous and so like 64 00:03:24,794 --> 00:03:27,394 Speaker 2: and it was meant to be almost aspirational in a way. 65 00:03:27,754 --> 00:03:30,233 Speaker 2: For a show that was so glamorous and aspirational, it's 66 00:03:30,434 --> 00:03:33,034 Speaker 2: just become this kind of like stories of like all 67 00:03:33,034 --> 00:03:35,634 Speaker 2: these horrors that happened behind the scenes. But I do 68 00:03:35,634 --> 00:03:38,434 Speaker 2: think it's interesting that Tyra Banks is even involved. 69 00:03:38,634 --> 00:03:39,434 Speaker 3: I think so too. 70 00:03:39,554 --> 00:03:41,514 Speaker 1: I think this is a part of a larger plan 71 00:03:41,634 --> 00:03:45,394 Speaker 1: for her to rehabilitate her image because it has taken 72 00:03:45,434 --> 00:03:48,794 Speaker 1: a bit of a beating in recent years. Obviously she's 73 00:03:48,794 --> 00:03:51,154 Speaker 1: got a smiles ice cream, but a lot of people 74 00:03:51,194 --> 00:03:55,874 Speaker 1: have spoken out against her, especially j Manuel, and she's 75 00:03:55,914 --> 00:03:58,074 Speaker 1: copped a lot of flak for it. I think she's 76 00:03:58,114 --> 00:03:59,394 Speaker 1: a part of the production on. 77 00:03:59,434 --> 00:04:01,674 Speaker 2: This, yeah, and that makes a lot of sense. As 78 00:04:01,714 --> 00:04:03,594 Speaker 2: soon as we sort of caught with that this was 79 00:04:03,634 --> 00:04:06,074 Speaker 2: coming out, I thought to myself, the only way Tyra 80 00:04:06,154 --> 00:04:08,074 Speaker 2: Banks is going to be involved in this is if 81 00:04:08,114 --> 00:04:11,394 Speaker 2: she has some sort of say over the rollout and production. 82 00:04:11,754 --> 00:04:13,914 Speaker 2: And it's been really interesting to sort of watch her 83 00:04:13,994 --> 00:04:17,313 Speaker 2: come and set up life in Australia and see how 84 00:04:17,354 --> 00:04:21,354 Speaker 2: she navigates this top model conversation along with starting businesses 85 00:04:21,394 --> 00:04:24,354 Speaker 2: here and going to events here and doing interviews because 86 00:04:24,553 --> 00:04:26,914 Speaker 2: ever since she moved to Australia with her partner and child, 87 00:04:26,993 --> 00:04:29,313 Speaker 2: and she's set up this big business here. She's been 88 00:04:29,474 --> 00:04:32,594 Speaker 2: very involved in public life to an extent, but her 89 00:04:32,633 --> 00:04:36,034 Speaker 2: involvement in Australian media has always come with this one rule, 90 00:04:36,073 --> 00:04:38,794 Speaker 2: which is like, don't ask about Top Model. If you 91 00:04:38,834 --> 00:04:41,234 Speaker 2: look back over all the interviews she's done, and she's 92 00:04:41,234 --> 00:04:44,433 Speaker 2: done heaps for so many different outlets since she's moved here. 93 00:04:44,873 --> 00:04:47,713 Speaker 2: She's done like tiny little pot appearances. She's done a 94 00:04:47,834 --> 00:04:52,153 Speaker 2: lot of social videos, she's done written articles, she's done 95 00:04:52,274 --> 00:04:55,234 Speaker 2: photo shoots. What she hasn't done is any like really 96 00:04:55,274 --> 00:04:58,474 Speaker 2: in depth long form podcasts. And what she hasn't done 97 00:04:58,474 --> 00:05:00,393 Speaker 2: if you look back through all of her interviews is 98 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:03,874 Speaker 2: no journalist ever asked her about Top Model. And that 99 00:05:03,993 --> 00:05:06,553 Speaker 2: is because she will not answer those questions. And even 100 00:05:06,594 --> 00:05:07,993 Speaker 2: I've kind of picked up through a lot of the 101 00:05:07,993 --> 00:05:11,433 Speaker 2: interviews she's done, they don't even use language from Top Model. 102 00:05:11,474 --> 00:05:14,634 Speaker 2: When she filmed social videos with people, there's none of that, 103 00:05:14,674 --> 00:05:16,674 Speaker 2: Like if that was anyone else in a franchise like 104 00:05:16,714 --> 00:05:19,594 Speaker 2: that has all these iconic lines and movements, you would 105 00:05:19,594 --> 00:05:22,794 Speaker 2: bring that into the social videos. But she never does 106 00:05:22,834 --> 00:05:25,273 Speaker 2: anything like that because she just has shut down the 107 00:05:25,313 --> 00:05:28,633 Speaker 2: Top Model conversation so completely, and part of it is 108 00:05:28,674 --> 00:05:30,753 Speaker 2: I guess she knew this documentary was coming. It's been 109 00:05:30,753 --> 00:05:32,794 Speaker 2: in the works for a long time. And the other 110 00:05:32,834 --> 00:05:35,354 Speaker 2: thing which I kind of understand is like the gravity 111 00:05:35,393 --> 00:05:38,313 Speaker 2: of Top Model and the fallout and her responsibility is 112 00:05:38,433 --> 00:05:42,274 Speaker 2: such a huge conversation and something where she's been held 113 00:05:42,313 --> 00:05:44,753 Speaker 2: to account for the trauma all these women went through. 114 00:05:45,073 --> 00:05:47,354 Speaker 2: It's not something you can do in a short form interview, 115 00:05:47,433 --> 00:05:50,113 Speaker 2: a red carpet question, a social video. But at the 116 00:05:50,154 --> 00:05:52,633 Speaker 2: same time, she was strategically staying out of long form 117 00:05:52,633 --> 00:05:55,633 Speaker 2: because she didn't want that part of her history to 118 00:05:55,633 --> 00:05:57,194 Speaker 2: touch her business here in Australia. 119 00:05:57,234 --> 00:05:59,354 Speaker 1: I think what I think is really important to know 120 00:05:59,433 --> 00:06:03,954 Speaker 1: about this is and I'm not apologizing for Tyra Banks's behavior, However, 121 00:06:04,073 --> 00:06:07,073 Speaker 1: it was really revolutionary as a show that kind of 122 00:06:07,193 --> 00:06:10,473 Speaker 1: winning format where we get your masterships. I know American 123 00:06:10,553 --> 00:06:14,154 Speaker 1: Idol did it, but the format she created in two 124 00:06:14,193 --> 00:06:17,354 Speaker 1: thousand and three was really revolutionary. The fact that she 125 00:06:17,474 --> 00:06:21,433 Speaker 1: brought in different types of women was revolutionary. 126 00:06:22,073 --> 00:06:23,914 Speaker 3: There are a lot of problems with. 127 00:06:23,873 --> 00:06:26,754 Speaker 1: It, and the other thing that I think is really 128 00:06:26,834 --> 00:06:30,794 Speaker 1: key to be aware of is that the modeling industry itself, 129 00:06:31,674 --> 00:06:35,234 Speaker 1: the culture was very similar to how it was portrayed. 130 00:06:36,234 --> 00:06:39,313 Speaker 1: I was a part of that sort of industry, probably 131 00:06:39,354 --> 00:06:41,594 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, so quite 132 00:06:42,034 --> 00:06:44,993 Speaker 1: close to when Top Model was very, very popular. And 133 00:06:45,034 --> 00:06:46,634 Speaker 1: I will say that a lot of the things that 134 00:06:46,674 --> 00:06:49,034 Speaker 1: they say about weight, about. 135 00:06:48,914 --> 00:06:51,314 Speaker 3: Pushing these women to the limits, there is. 136 00:06:51,274 --> 00:06:55,234 Speaker 1: A lot of truth to that, and it's difficult for 137 00:06:55,274 --> 00:06:58,394 Speaker 1: people who aren't in that to see it, particularly with 138 00:06:58,513 --> 00:07:01,594 Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight, to see. 139 00:07:01,313 --> 00:07:05,754 Speaker 3: That and go, hmm, that's not right. That is not right. 140 00:07:05,834 --> 00:07:08,633 Speaker 1: So I'm really excut about this documentary because I want 141 00:07:08,714 --> 00:07:13,234 Speaker 1: to see what she says. I am not particularly hopeful 142 00:07:13,234 --> 00:07:16,833 Speaker 1: that she's going to take accountability, mainly because of the 143 00:07:16,874 --> 00:07:20,634 Speaker 1: caveat too. I went too far, but that's what you 144 00:07:20,674 --> 00:07:23,794 Speaker 1: asked for. That's kind of blaming with. 145 00:07:23,714 --> 00:07:25,994 Speaker 2: Her for that sense. I do understand that she's getting 146 00:07:25,994 --> 00:07:28,033 Speaker 2: a bit raped over the coals that comment today, Like 147 00:07:28,074 --> 00:07:30,034 Speaker 2: that's the one line from the trailer that people are 148 00:07:30,034 --> 00:07:33,194 Speaker 2: picking out and sort of writing headlines around and saying 149 00:07:33,234 --> 00:07:35,034 Speaker 2: like she's trying to put the blame back on everyone. 150 00:07:35,354 --> 00:07:37,074 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's necessarily the case. We won't 151 00:07:37,074 --> 00:07:38,593 Speaker 2: know until we see the full thing, because we haven't 152 00:07:38,594 --> 00:07:41,514 Speaker 2: seen her full interview. But she's not wrong. Like, so 153 00:07:41,634 --> 00:07:44,754 Speaker 2: many people watch the show because they loved, like sometimes 154 00:07:44,794 --> 00:07:46,674 Speaker 2: the fairy tale side of the show of like watching 155 00:07:46,714 --> 00:07:49,034 Speaker 2: these young women be plucked from these tiny towns and 156 00:07:49,034 --> 00:07:51,234 Speaker 2: go on to be these like stars at least all 157 00:07:51,234 --> 00:07:52,914 Speaker 2: the show was running a lot of them then because 158 00:07:52,914 --> 00:07:54,914 Speaker 2: they didn't have the support, didn't go on to become 159 00:07:55,314 --> 00:07:58,034 Speaker 2: models or stars because the industry kind of spat them 160 00:07:58,034 --> 00:08:01,074 Speaker 2: out again. But a lot of people tuned in because 161 00:08:01,434 --> 00:08:04,034 Speaker 2: watching people go through those like crazy tasks like the 162 00:08:04,114 --> 00:08:06,514 Speaker 2: catwalk on water or like the pendulum swimming, and they 163 00:08:06,514 --> 00:08:09,834 Speaker 2: were geting knocked. And also so many people tuned into 164 00:08:09,874 --> 00:08:12,674 Speaker 2: those makeover episodes a lot of the time because they 165 00:08:12,674 --> 00:08:15,154 Speaker 2: wanted to see young women cry because their hair got 166 00:08:15,154 --> 00:08:17,034 Speaker 2: cut off, well, their hair got died of different color, 167 00:08:17,274 --> 00:08:19,393 Speaker 2: and every season you have to up the anti So 168 00:08:19,474 --> 00:08:22,194 Speaker 2: I can see why Tyra and her team were in 169 00:08:22,234 --> 00:08:24,153 Speaker 2: those production rooms being like, what can we do to 170 00:08:24,194 --> 00:08:24,713 Speaker 2: them this year? 171 00:08:24,874 --> 00:08:27,074 Speaker 3: There was a certain joy in their humiliation. 172 00:08:27,594 --> 00:08:29,714 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a huge part. 173 00:08:29,514 --> 00:08:32,154 Speaker 1: Of that, and I really think that's very important. I 174 00:08:32,234 --> 00:08:34,434 Speaker 1: really want to see what they have to say. It 175 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:36,833 Speaker 1: was such a big part of my growing up. 176 00:08:36,914 --> 00:08:37,994 Speaker 3: It influenced me. 177 00:08:38,154 --> 00:08:43,034 Speaker 1: It really affected my relationship to the fashion industry. I 178 00:08:43,154 --> 00:08:46,754 Speaker 1: know it affects a lot of millennial women and I. 179 00:08:46,634 --> 00:08:48,154 Speaker 3: Just think that there's a lot to unpack there. 180 00:08:48,154 --> 00:08:51,394 Speaker 1: So it's going to be out on Netflix on feb sixteen. 181 00:08:53,394 --> 00:08:56,194 Speaker 2: So the Oscar nominations for twenty twenty six were announced 182 00:08:56,234 --> 00:09:00,074 Speaker 2: on Well in Australia technically the early hours on Friday morning, 183 00:09:00,274 --> 00:09:02,034 Speaker 2: and I know because I watched them live at one 184 00:09:02,114 --> 00:09:05,554 Speaker 2: am like an absolute crazy person. Okay, well, the thing 185 00:09:05,594 --> 00:09:07,514 Speaker 2: is I was going to I was going to bed 186 00:09:07,554 --> 00:09:09,474 Speaker 2: late anyway, and I'm like, oh my god, the Oscar 187 00:09:09,474 --> 00:09:11,874 Speaker 2: livestream is about to start. I'll just I always say this, 188 00:09:11,994 --> 00:09:13,874 Speaker 2: I'll just have a little look. Obviously, I watched the 189 00:09:13,994 --> 00:09:16,714 Speaker 2: entire thing, and then I sent crazy emails to everyone 190 00:09:16,754 --> 00:09:18,634 Speaker 2: I work with, to the people who start at six am, 191 00:09:18,674 --> 00:09:20,554 Speaker 2: of all my thoughts, and they woke up to be like, 192 00:09:20,794 --> 00:09:24,794 Speaker 2: this woman's gone crazy hinged. There were so many shocks 193 00:09:24,834 --> 00:09:26,874 Speaker 2: and surprises. I was like on the floor of my 194 00:09:26,914 --> 00:09:28,954 Speaker 2: living room at two am watching the Oscar nominations. 195 00:09:29,074 --> 00:09:33,714 Speaker 1: I love these nominations. And there's a few reasons. One 196 00:09:33,754 --> 00:09:35,434 Speaker 1: of them was, we've got so many new ones, but 197 00:09:35,434 --> 00:09:37,514 Speaker 1: should we start with all of the noms first? 198 00:09:37,634 --> 00:09:39,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we won't go through all the technical ones, 199 00:09:39,234 --> 00:09:41,154 Speaker 2: although they're vallied too and I was applauding in my 200 00:09:41,194 --> 00:09:42,634 Speaker 2: living and fro them. But let's just go through the 201 00:09:42,674 --> 00:09:45,594 Speaker 2: actors first. So one of the first categories they announced 202 00:09:45,714 --> 00:09:48,554 Speaker 2: was Best Actor in a Lead Role. So just as 203 00:09:48,554 --> 00:09:50,994 Speaker 2: a quick recap of like which movies came out on top, 204 00:09:51,074 --> 00:09:54,314 Speaker 2: So Sinner's leads the nominations lift with a record breaking 205 00:09:54,474 --> 00:09:57,274 Speaker 2: sixteen nominations. That is the most a movie has ever 206 00:09:57,314 --> 00:10:00,154 Speaker 2: been nominated in Oscar history. That is so huge and 207 00:10:00,234 --> 00:10:03,234 Speaker 2: so well deserved. It's definitely the best movie in contention 208 00:10:03,354 --> 00:10:06,514 Speaker 2: this year. Unfortunately, it's not tip to really win many 209 00:10:06,594 --> 00:10:09,514 Speaker 2: of those award maybe a few of the technical categories, 210 00:10:09,834 --> 00:10:12,954 Speaker 2: but maybe this historic nomination will tip a few voters 211 00:10:12,954 --> 00:10:13,434 Speaker 2: over the edge. 212 00:10:13,474 --> 00:10:16,074 Speaker 1: It's so interesting though, because we were talking about because 213 00:10:16,074 --> 00:10:19,114 Speaker 1: it's that kind of in that horror category. The fact 214 00:10:19,154 --> 00:10:21,954 Speaker 1: that it's been nominated this much is incredible. 215 00:10:22,354 --> 00:10:24,514 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's like showing the academies moving in the 216 00:10:24,554 --> 00:10:27,314 Speaker 2: right direction one battle after another. Is also a top 217 00:10:27,354 --> 00:10:31,594 Speaker 2: nominee with thirteen nominations, followed by Frankenstein, Marty Supreme, and 218 00:10:31,714 --> 00:10:34,674 Speaker 2: Sentimental Value, which each got nine nominations. So they have 219 00:10:34,754 --> 00:10:37,474 Speaker 2: like big hitters for this year. Sentimental Value in particular, 220 00:10:37,954 --> 00:10:40,914 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone sort of foresaw it having this many. 221 00:10:40,954 --> 00:10:43,234 Speaker 2: I mean, it's had a really good Award season run, 222 00:10:43,274 --> 00:10:44,914 Speaker 2: but when it came out, just because it's a smaller 223 00:10:44,914 --> 00:10:47,074 Speaker 2: movie and a foreign film, there was kind of this 224 00:10:47,154 --> 00:10:49,634 Speaker 2: question over how well it would do. So that is 225 00:10:49,714 --> 00:10:51,314 Speaker 2: really exciting scene in the mix. Okay, one of the 226 00:10:51,354 --> 00:10:54,634 Speaker 2: first categories that was announced was Best Actor, and there 227 00:10:54,634 --> 00:10:57,914 Speaker 2: were really no big surprises here. It's everyone we expected. 228 00:10:57,954 --> 00:11:01,114 Speaker 2: It's Timothy Shalamy for Marty Supreme, Leonardo DiCaprio for One 229 00:11:01,154 --> 00:11:04,274 Speaker 2: Battle after Another, Ethan Hawk in Blue Moon, Michael b. 230 00:11:04,394 --> 00:11:07,594 Speaker 2: Jordan in Sinners, and Wagner Moura from The SEAQ Agent. 231 00:11:07,994 --> 00:11:10,274 Speaker 1: I think this is very special for Michael Beaje in 232 00:11:10,314 --> 00:11:13,754 Speaker 1: order to get a nomination in this category. Also in 233 00:11:13,954 --> 00:11:18,754 Speaker 1: the Supporting Actor category there are two new ones. Stellan 234 00:11:18,834 --> 00:11:22,594 Speaker 1: Skarsgard has never received a nomination before, which I thought 235 00:11:22,634 --> 00:11:23,274 Speaker 1: was wild. 236 00:11:23,874 --> 00:11:25,754 Speaker 2: Yeah, he seemed very excited. He's like at this moment 237 00:11:25,794 --> 00:11:27,594 Speaker 2: in my career. You just want to be working with 238 00:11:27,634 --> 00:11:29,874 Speaker 2: good people, and of course his sons are all having 239 00:11:29,874 --> 00:11:31,714 Speaker 2: a fun time with it. Yeah. Yeah, lots of good 240 00:11:31,834 --> 00:11:34,954 Speaker 2: contenders in the Best Actor category. Michael B. Jordan is definitely, 241 00:11:35,034 --> 00:11:37,154 Speaker 2: from my point of view, at least the strongest performer. 242 00:11:37,234 --> 00:11:39,954 Speaker 2: He plays two lead roles. God damn it, Like, just 243 00:11:39,994 --> 00:11:41,554 Speaker 2: give him the Oscar's. 244 00:11:41,074 --> 00:11:42,674 Speaker 3: Parent trapping the hell out of that movie. 245 00:11:42,794 --> 00:11:45,514 Speaker 2: But it does look like that Timothy Charalamage is definitely 246 00:11:45,554 --> 00:11:47,194 Speaker 2: going to take it. Well, It's gonna come down to 247 00:11:47,274 --> 00:11:50,794 Speaker 2: him and Leonardo DiCaprio, So we'll see how the mostly 248 00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:54,114 Speaker 2: male Oscar pool votes in that one. Best Actress, This 249 00:11:54,194 --> 00:11:56,034 Speaker 2: is a fun one. A lot of surprises in here. 250 00:11:56,474 --> 00:11:59,314 Speaker 2: Jesse Buckley for Hamnett. She's gonna win. We kind of 251 00:11:59,354 --> 00:12:01,914 Speaker 2: already know that, but the rest of the category is 252 00:12:01,914 --> 00:12:05,114 Speaker 2: still quite packed. Rosebyurn getting her first Oscar nomination for 253 00:12:05,194 --> 00:12:08,354 Speaker 2: If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You, Renada Rennie's from 254 00:12:08,634 --> 00:12:12,354 Speaker 2: sentimental Value. That's very well earned. Emma Stone and Bagon Yah, 255 00:12:12,394 --> 00:12:14,394 Speaker 2: that was kind of a lock. Like Emma Stone does 256 00:12:14,674 --> 00:12:17,874 Speaker 2: a Yogoaslanthemus movie, she gets a nomination. I'm sure she's 257 00:12:17,914 --> 00:12:19,754 Speaker 2: just happy to be in the mix. The interesting one 258 00:12:19,794 --> 00:12:21,914 Speaker 2: was Kate hudson first song, Sung Blue. 259 00:12:22,194 --> 00:12:25,114 Speaker 1: I thought this was her first nomination, but it's her second. 260 00:12:25,234 --> 00:12:28,234 Speaker 1: But she was nominated for Almost Famous back in two thousand. 261 00:12:28,394 --> 00:12:30,394 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny that Almost Famous, which is what 262 00:12:30,434 --> 00:12:32,794 Speaker 1: she was nominated for, and this movie her broth about 263 00:12:32,834 --> 00:12:34,594 Speaker 1: like old school songs, old school music. 264 00:12:34,714 --> 00:12:36,794 Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's weird, like a weird connection there. 265 00:12:36,874 --> 00:12:37,114 Speaker 2: Yeah. 266 00:12:37,234 --> 00:12:39,514 Speaker 3: But she told the story of finding out. 267 00:12:39,674 --> 00:12:42,274 Speaker 1: She said she was watching live stream, her seven year 268 00:12:42,314 --> 00:12:44,834 Speaker 1: old daughter was in bed next to her, sleeping, and 269 00:12:44,914 --> 00:12:46,994 Speaker 1: Kate starts like boiling her eyes out of her daughter's like, 270 00:12:46,994 --> 00:12:49,354 Speaker 1: can you be quiet, I'm trying to sleep, And then 271 00:12:49,634 --> 00:12:51,914 Speaker 1: she goes and wakes up and she said, oh mom, wow, 272 00:12:52,074 --> 00:12:53,833 Speaker 1: like really proud of her. I just thought it was 273 00:12:53,834 --> 00:12:55,074 Speaker 1: such a sweet little moment. 274 00:12:55,274 --> 00:12:58,434 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was really cute. All the videos of 275 00:12:58,474 --> 00:13:00,834 Speaker 2: her telling her family and friends. That's an interesting one 276 00:13:00,874 --> 00:13:02,634 Speaker 2: because she was on the fence for so long and 277 00:13:02,674 --> 00:13:05,194 Speaker 2: she's she's good in that movie. She's good in that movie. 278 00:13:05,234 --> 00:13:06,994 Speaker 2: But it was just kind of like she was all 279 00:13:07,234 --> 00:13:09,234 Speaker 2: is the one actress on the tipping point of like 280 00:13:09,554 --> 00:13:12,194 Speaker 2: maybe she'll get in, maybe she won't. And then once 281 00:13:12,234 --> 00:13:14,434 Speaker 2: song Sung Blue came out, I feel like she kind 282 00:13:14,474 --> 00:13:16,794 Speaker 2: of lost traction a little bit. But she's also one 283 00:13:16,834 --> 00:13:19,514 Speaker 2: of the people in the Oscars race who just really 284 00:13:19,634 --> 00:13:22,554 Speaker 2: ran a campaign. So she and he and Jackman were 285 00:13:22,594 --> 00:13:25,314 Speaker 2: like getting up at events and like performing songs from 286 00:13:25,354 --> 00:13:28,554 Speaker 2: the movie, and he was really pushing for her, Like 287 00:13:28,634 --> 00:13:30,874 Speaker 2: he was not really an Oscar contention she was, so 288 00:13:30,914 --> 00:13:34,114 Speaker 2: he really threw his weight behind her to be campaigning 289 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:36,274 Speaker 2: for her at events and press junkets and being like, 290 00:13:36,554 --> 00:13:39,194 Speaker 2: she needs to get an Oscar nomination. She was kind 291 00:13:39,234 --> 00:13:41,554 Speaker 2: of like in all the right events where the Oscar 292 00:13:41,634 --> 00:13:44,034 Speaker 2: voters are at that kind of really key point. And 293 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:46,674 Speaker 2: she had a lot of her really famous friends and 294 00:13:46,714 --> 00:13:49,154 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the conversations were behind the scenes 295 00:13:49,154 --> 00:13:50,634 Speaker 2: for any of this, but she had a lot of 296 00:13:50,674 --> 00:13:54,154 Speaker 2: her famous friends like really posting for her, sharing content, 297 00:13:54,234 --> 00:13:57,234 Speaker 2: posting on their own socials, and obviously they're all in 298 00:13:57,274 --> 00:14:00,354 Speaker 2: the Academy. So not that she's not deserving, but it 299 00:14:00,434 --> 00:14:02,754 Speaker 2: really goes to show if you're really well connected in 300 00:14:02,834 --> 00:14:04,834 Speaker 2: the business and you have people behind you, and you 301 00:14:04,914 --> 00:14:07,114 Speaker 2: have a studio who's going to like really push you, 302 00:14:07,234 --> 00:14:09,434 Speaker 2: it can tip you over to be in that Oscar's Race. 303 00:14:09,634 --> 00:14:12,194 Speaker 1: Well, I mean Rose Burn as well is such a 304 00:14:12,354 --> 00:14:15,754 Speaker 1: love again one I'm like genuinely happy to see as 305 00:14:15,754 --> 00:14:18,434 Speaker 1: a nominee. So she you know, shared a video of 306 00:14:18,514 --> 00:14:21,114 Speaker 1: her on FaceTime with her husband, Bobby kant of Alle, 307 00:14:21,874 --> 00:14:25,794 Speaker 1: and she's sobbing and everybody in the comments is just 308 00:14:25,874 --> 00:14:28,434 Speaker 1: asking about the bearded Dragon because of course, when she 309 00:14:28,514 --> 00:14:31,554 Speaker 1: won the Golden Globe a few weeks ago, she was 310 00:14:31,594 --> 00:14:33,514 Speaker 1: talking to you know, thanks Bobby Kanavalle. He couldn't be 311 00:14:33,514 --> 00:14:35,674 Speaker 1: here because he was shopping for a bearded dragon, and 312 00:14:35,714 --> 00:14:37,554 Speaker 1: so I just thought that was another sweet little moment. 313 00:14:37,794 --> 00:14:40,434 Speaker 1: I feel like this Oscar's we're getting so many more 314 00:14:40,474 --> 00:14:41,834 Speaker 1: like reaction videos. 315 00:14:42,194 --> 00:14:43,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every year we sort of have that 316 00:14:44,114 --> 00:14:46,514 Speaker 2: swell of videos and things. But it's nice because there's 317 00:14:46,514 --> 00:14:47,634 Speaker 2: a lot of I know what you mean, there's a 318 00:14:47,634 --> 00:14:50,434 Speaker 2: lot of like stories this time. And Roseburn's just like, 319 00:14:50,474 --> 00:14:52,994 Speaker 2: you know, she's been in the industry for well over 320 00:14:53,034 --> 00:14:55,074 Speaker 2: twenty years, closing it on thirty years now, and she's 321 00:14:55,114 --> 00:14:58,114 Speaker 2: done such consistent work and it hasn't always been recognized. 322 00:14:58,474 --> 00:15:01,314 Speaker 2: And she's so good in this movie. If anyone hasn't 323 00:15:01,314 --> 00:15:02,754 Speaker 2: seen it, I don't think it's like I'm not sure 324 00:15:02,794 --> 00:15:05,354 Speaker 2: it's like widely available in Australia yet, but she's so 325 00:15:05,474 --> 00:15:07,874 Speaker 2: good in it, and also she has had such an 326 00:15:07,914 --> 00:15:11,194 Speaker 2: impassioned reaction to the award she's won so far that 327 00:15:11,394 --> 00:15:13,834 Speaker 2: might tip her over into OSCAR voting. I just feel 328 00:15:13,834 --> 00:15:16,354 Speaker 2: like nothing can stop the Jesse Buckley train at the moment. 329 00:15:16,594 --> 00:15:19,354 Speaker 2: But if anyone was gonna kind of come in and 330 00:15:19,394 --> 00:15:23,514 Speaker 2: potentially take that award, it would be her best Supporting Actor. Again. 331 00:15:23,714 --> 00:15:26,274 Speaker 2: Not a lot of surprises here. Benicio del Toro one 332 00:15:26,314 --> 00:15:30,394 Speaker 2: battle after another, Jacob Lordi and Frankenstein. That's his first nomination. Yeah, 333 00:15:30,434 --> 00:15:32,714 Speaker 2: you just know that tall boy from Queensland is dying 334 00:15:32,714 --> 00:15:33,994 Speaker 2: with happiness over this. 335 00:15:33,914 --> 00:15:36,514 Speaker 3: Again, so it should be so sweet. 336 00:15:36,714 --> 00:15:38,994 Speaker 1: There obviously was a little bit of disappointment that Paul 337 00:15:38,994 --> 00:15:42,514 Speaker 1: Mescal didn't get nominated. Jesse Buckley did say, you know, yeah, look, 338 00:15:42,514 --> 00:15:44,394 Speaker 1: I think he's extraordinary in this film. I know I've 339 00:15:44,394 --> 00:15:46,034 Speaker 1: met a partner for life in doing this with him. 340 00:15:46,074 --> 00:15:48,154 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say apart from she actually 341 00:15:48,234 --> 00:15:52,794 Speaker 1: credits him to her receiving the nomination as well, which 342 00:15:52,834 --> 00:15:55,434 Speaker 1: I thought was quite sweet. So even though he doesn't 343 00:15:55,434 --> 00:15:58,114 Speaker 1: get nominated, she's still sort of sharing in that honor 344 00:15:58,274 --> 00:15:58,714 Speaker 1: with him. 345 00:15:58,994 --> 00:16:00,834 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, he is good in that movie. I 346 00:16:00,914 --> 00:16:03,714 Speaker 2: just think it's such a packed category. And then we've got, 347 00:16:03,714 --> 00:16:06,714 Speaker 2: as you said, stellin Scarsguard in sentimental value. He's a 348 00:16:06,754 --> 00:16:09,114 Speaker 2: real hot contender for winning, I think, but it'd be 349 00:16:09,114 --> 00:16:11,354 Speaker 2: hard for him to push out Sean Penn from one 350 00:16:11,394 --> 00:16:13,354 Speaker 2: battle after another, who's got like a lot of traction 351 00:16:13,434 --> 00:16:16,514 Speaker 2: for that role. But the biggest surprise was Delroy Lindo 352 00:16:16,674 --> 00:16:20,234 Speaker 2: in Sinners, who has such a huge body of work 353 00:16:20,274 --> 00:16:22,794 Speaker 2: but has never really been recognized in the Academy before. 354 00:16:22,834 --> 00:16:24,314 Speaker 3: And this is the thing that I saw. 355 00:16:24,314 --> 00:16:27,634 Speaker 1: I was like, surely Delroy Lindo has been nominated for something, No, 356 00:16:27,914 --> 00:16:31,194 Speaker 1: how could he not. He's such an iconic veteran actor 357 00:16:31,314 --> 00:16:34,594 Speaker 1: as he is Stellan Skarsgard. So for the both of them, 358 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:37,954 Speaker 1: who were men in the industry for what fifty years, 359 00:16:38,034 --> 00:16:40,954 Speaker 1: forty years or whatever, who are very very well respected 360 00:16:40,994 --> 00:16:45,434 Speaker 1: within the industry, to get these nominations, it's always such 361 00:16:45,434 --> 00:16:48,074 Speaker 1: a nice feeling as a viewer to see that, Like 362 00:16:48,154 --> 00:16:48,514 Speaker 1: when we. 363 00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:49,554 Speaker 3: Saw Demi Moore win. 364 00:16:49,794 --> 00:16:51,874 Speaker 1: When we see people who have been in the industry 365 00:16:51,914 --> 00:16:55,274 Speaker 1: for a long time finally get recognized, it's really nice. 366 00:16:55,354 --> 00:16:58,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does tracko with how OSCAR voters vote, at 367 00:16:58,434 --> 00:17:01,554 Speaker 2: least in the male category. Is because statistically, men are 368 00:17:01,594 --> 00:17:04,394 Speaker 2: more likely to win in their forties, fifties, and sixties, 369 00:17:04,594 --> 00:17:06,714 Speaker 2: and women are much more likely to win in their 370 00:17:06,714 --> 00:17:09,033 Speaker 2: twenties and thirties. And it's the thing that people have 371 00:17:09,074 --> 00:17:11,194 Speaker 2: really been talking about a lot in the last couple 372 00:17:11,234 --> 00:17:13,674 Speaker 2: of years of like women get awarded for being like 373 00:17:13,714 --> 00:17:16,194 Speaker 2: an angenue, like oh, you did a dramatic well, like 374 00:17:16,314 --> 00:17:19,434 Speaker 2: your Oscar is like you're welcome to the industry, whereas 375 00:17:19,554 --> 00:17:22,033 Speaker 2: a lot of male actors, even if they turn in 376 00:17:22,034 --> 00:17:24,394 Speaker 2: great performances, they do have to wait till they're in 377 00:17:24,434 --> 00:17:26,313 Speaker 2: their fifties and they've been in the industry for a 378 00:17:26,354 --> 00:17:29,593 Speaker 2: few decades, they've had a few nominations, because it's almost 379 00:17:29,634 --> 00:17:31,714 Speaker 2: like you have to really earn this and you have 380 00:17:31,754 --> 00:17:33,554 Speaker 2: to be in the Boy Actors Club for a few 381 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:34,994 Speaker 2: decades before we'll give it to you. 382 00:17:35,314 --> 00:17:37,674 Speaker 1: Do you think there is more prestige to a Best 383 00:17:37,714 --> 00:17:39,114 Speaker 1: Actor over a Best actress? 384 00:17:39,114 --> 00:17:41,354 Speaker 2: I think in the Academy, yes, because for them it's 385 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:45,074 Speaker 2: not like a oh, you've done one good movie, young 386 00:17:45,154 --> 00:17:47,754 Speaker 2: beautiful woman. For them, it's more like welcome to like 387 00:17:47,794 --> 00:17:50,154 Speaker 2: being a real actor you've put in the decades. Because 388 00:17:50,154 --> 00:17:52,914 Speaker 2: the Timothy Chalamey wins, which he is most likely to, 389 00:17:53,314 --> 00:17:56,194 Speaker 2: he'll be I think the second youngest, Adrian Brody, was 390 00:17:56,234 --> 00:17:59,313 Speaker 2: twenty nine. Timothy Chalamey has like just turned thirty, so 391 00:17:59,394 --> 00:18:03,074 Speaker 2: he's like just getting in under the wire of being 392 00:18:03,154 --> 00:18:06,714 Speaker 2: the youngest person to win Best Actor. It's very unlikely 393 00:18:06,794 --> 00:18:09,794 Speaker 2: for an actor to win in his twenties or thirties. 394 00:18:10,074 --> 00:18:12,394 Speaker 2: Best Supporting Actress. This is a fun one because this 395 00:18:12,434 --> 00:18:15,154 Speaker 2: is where there were a few surprises. So we've got 396 00:18:15,194 --> 00:18:18,554 Speaker 2: two different nominations for sentimental value, so inga is daughter 397 00:18:18,674 --> 00:18:21,994 Speaker 2: Lilias for sentimental value. She was one that I think 398 00:18:21,994 --> 00:18:23,754 Speaker 2: could have gone either way, and the video of her 399 00:18:23,994 --> 00:18:26,994 Speaker 2: receiving that nomination is so great. And then also el 400 00:18:27,114 --> 00:18:30,354 Speaker 2: Fanning in sentimental Value that's her first nomination as well. 401 00:18:30,634 --> 00:18:33,754 Speaker 2: And Tianna Taylor, Yes, and Tiana Taylor, who is pretty 402 00:18:33,794 --> 00:18:35,714 Speaker 2: much going to win, but she is really good in 403 00:18:35,754 --> 00:18:37,834 Speaker 2: one battle after another, so that kind of feels like 404 00:18:37,874 --> 00:18:40,314 Speaker 2: the way it's going to go. The surprise, but very 405 00:18:40,314 --> 00:18:44,474 Speaker 2: well earned, was Wname Masaku from Sinners, who is ten 406 00:18:44,514 --> 00:18:47,154 Speaker 2: out of ten fabulous in that movie. And has a 407 00:18:47,154 --> 00:18:50,074 Speaker 2: lot of the big emotional scenes that pushed the movie along. 408 00:18:50,474 --> 00:18:52,634 Speaker 2: So I think seeing her name in there was so 409 00:18:52,794 --> 00:18:55,234 Speaker 2: exciting because it was so earned. I do wish she 410 00:18:55,274 --> 00:18:57,034 Speaker 2: would win, but I don't think anyone's going to stop 411 00:18:57,034 --> 00:18:59,354 Speaker 2: Tiana Taylor at this point. But the other big one 412 00:18:59,354 --> 00:19:01,354 Speaker 2: that everyone was so excited for that a lot of 413 00:19:01,354 --> 00:19:05,234 Speaker 2: people really pushing for is Amy Madigan from Weapons. The 414 00:19:05,314 --> 00:19:08,634 Speaker 2: reason that's so exciting is that she is an incredible actress, 415 00:19:08,634 --> 00:19:11,994 Speaker 2: but it's supporting in a horror movie, two things the 416 00:19:12,034 --> 00:19:15,434 Speaker 2: Academy traditionally does not like at all horror in general, 417 00:19:15,554 --> 00:19:18,273 Speaker 2: especially for women, but also kind of pulling into the 418 00:19:18,314 --> 00:19:22,394 Speaker 2: supporting category. And there were a couple of other names 419 00:19:22,394 --> 00:19:25,274 Speaker 2: floating around, but there's almost been like a grassroots campaign 420 00:19:25,434 --> 00:19:28,714 Speaker 2: from fans and critics and movie lovers who were like 421 00:19:28,794 --> 00:19:31,994 Speaker 2: really pushing Amy Madigan. It's like she's the people's vote 422 00:19:32,194 --> 00:19:33,074 Speaker 2: in that category. 423 00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:36,313 Speaker 1: It just makes it so much more exciting when we 424 00:19:36,514 --> 00:19:41,834 Speaker 1: get to see people who have given these exceptional performances 425 00:19:42,194 --> 00:19:45,034 Speaker 1: and it's not the same ten people over and over again. 426 00:19:45,114 --> 00:19:48,114 Speaker 1: You know, it makes it so much more exciting because 427 00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:51,194 Speaker 1: everybody loves it. Underdog, although I guess Tianta Taylor's not 428 00:19:51,194 --> 00:19:52,274 Speaker 1: really underdog anymore. 429 00:19:52,714 --> 00:19:55,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it's I love for her. Her story this 430 00:19:55,474 --> 00:19:58,074 Speaker 2: year is and she's in the worst rated TV show 431 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,754 Speaker 2: with All's Fair and in one of the highest rated 432 00:20:00,794 --> 00:20:03,394 Speaker 2: movies in the year, and is most probably going to 433 00:20:03,394 --> 00:20:05,714 Speaker 2: win an Oscar. The fact that those two things happening 434 00:20:05,754 --> 00:20:08,114 Speaker 2: at the same time is important. A lot of like 435 00:20:08,194 --> 00:20:11,194 Speaker 2: interesting insights into Best Picture and a few huge snubs 436 00:20:11,194 --> 00:20:13,994 Speaker 2: that people upset about. Chase Infinity missed out on Best 437 00:20:14,034 --> 00:20:16,674 Speaker 2: Actress for one Battle after another, and after you watch 438 00:20:16,714 --> 00:20:18,394 Speaker 2: that movie, it's a bit like, how could she miss 439 00:20:18,394 --> 00:20:21,354 Speaker 2: out on that? The other really upsetting one is Jesse 440 00:20:21,474 --> 00:20:24,273 Speaker 2: Plemmons for Bogonia. It did feel like for such a 441 00:20:24,274 --> 00:20:26,554 Speaker 2: long time when Bogoonia came out, this is gonna be 442 00:20:26,634 --> 00:20:27,834 Speaker 2: his year to finally win. 443 00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:31,474 Speaker 1: Do you feel like because there was so much more 444 00:20:31,514 --> 00:20:35,674 Speaker 1: press around those newer movies that he kind of got. 445 00:20:35,514 --> 00:20:36,554 Speaker 3: Forgotten a little bit? 446 00:20:36,794 --> 00:20:41,074 Speaker 1: Potentially Pogonia because Pogonia Yoghost lathe was has such a 447 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:44,874 Speaker 1: specific style and even though his movies are all very different, 448 00:20:45,274 --> 00:20:46,234 Speaker 1: they're kind of the same. 449 00:20:46,714 --> 00:20:47,354 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 450 00:20:47,434 --> 00:20:49,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it never stopped in the stone for getting 451 00:20:49,354 --> 00:20:51,874 Speaker 2: nominated and his movies are a little Oscar Baby, but 452 00:20:51,954 --> 00:20:52,353 Speaker 2: I love them. 453 00:20:52,434 --> 00:20:53,994 Speaker 3: I love them, by the way, they're not my favorite. 454 00:20:54,074 --> 00:20:57,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Academy does normally love anyone who's 455 00:20:57,394 --> 00:20:59,674 Speaker 2: in a yorghost movie, even if sometimes the viewers don't 456 00:20:59,674 --> 00:21:01,874 Speaker 2: get it. So that was interesting. And I will just 457 00:21:01,914 --> 00:21:05,354 Speaker 2: finish up by saying that it's an absolute tragedy that 458 00:21:05,514 --> 00:21:09,714 Speaker 2: Wicked for Good was not nominated for anything, despite the 459 00:21:09,754 --> 00:21:12,714 Speaker 2: fact that last year it was nominated in ten categories 460 00:21:12,754 --> 00:21:15,674 Speaker 2: and one two. Even if you didn't like it, that's fine, 461 00:21:15,714 --> 00:21:19,394 Speaker 2: but like not even being nominated for like costumes or 462 00:21:19,474 --> 00:21:23,314 Speaker 2: makeups or production with all those practical sets that they built, 463 00:21:23,714 --> 00:21:25,273 Speaker 2: that there are some movies that, like, you look at 464 00:21:25,274 --> 00:21:27,034 Speaker 2: the costumes and like they're fine, but they don't really 465 00:21:27,114 --> 00:21:30,394 Speaker 2: contribute to the story the way the Wicked costumes did. Yeah, 466 00:21:30,434 --> 00:21:33,914 Speaker 2: I just think that that's an absolute travesty. So that's 467 00:21:33,954 --> 00:21:36,074 Speaker 2: all I'll say on that for now. But it's still 468 00:21:36,114 --> 00:21:37,954 Speaker 2: one of my best movies that Yeah. So the Oscars 469 00:21:37,994 --> 00:21:40,554 Speaker 2: are taking place on the sixteenth of March. Voting is 470 00:21:40,594 --> 00:21:43,154 Speaker 2: still going for the Academy members until March five, so 471 00:21:43,194 --> 00:21:44,513 Speaker 2: I guess a lot of these ones it's going to 472 00:21:44,554 --> 00:21:47,834 Speaker 2: depend on who comes in with a last minute campaign 473 00:21:47,914 --> 00:21:50,714 Speaker 2: move to tilt the race. But yeah, I mean very 474 00:21:50,714 --> 00:21:51,394 Speaker 2: excited for this. 475 00:21:53,274 --> 00:21:56,114 Speaker 1: So the Beckham family drama is heating up again. We've 476 00:21:56,154 --> 00:21:59,754 Speaker 1: got some updates, Laura, what's happening. 477 00:22:00,434 --> 00:22:03,274 Speaker 2: Yes, So everyone's been saying since this whole story broke, 478 00:22:03,394 --> 00:22:04,994 Speaker 2: is like, we just want someone from the wedding to 479 00:22:04,994 --> 00:22:07,074 Speaker 2: come forward. We want to see videos, we want Mark 480 00:22:07,194 --> 00:22:10,994 Speaker 2: Anthony to talk. He hasn't yet, but the DJ who appeared, 481 00:22:11,354 --> 00:22:13,914 Speaker 2: Tony Mannock, who was the one DJ in the wedding, 482 00:22:14,314 --> 00:22:17,594 Speaker 2: has done an interview with ITV in the last couple 483 00:22:17,674 --> 00:22:21,914 Speaker 2: of days and he really gave his full opinion. He 484 00:22:21,954 --> 00:22:23,794 Speaker 2: was like, Yeah, ask me anything. I'd love to talk 485 00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,434 Speaker 2: about the craziness of the Brooklyn wedding to Nicola Peltz. 486 00:22:27,714 --> 00:22:29,234 Speaker 2: So if anyone's on a cross, I don't know how 487 00:22:29,274 --> 00:22:31,074 Speaker 2: you'd be in this world and not know this story. 488 00:22:31,274 --> 00:22:33,714 Speaker 2: But Brooklyn Beckham over a week ago put out this 489 00:22:33,834 --> 00:22:37,634 Speaker 2: five slide statement on his Instagram story talking about why 490 00:22:37,674 --> 00:22:40,714 Speaker 2: he's no longer in contact with his famous parents, Victoria 491 00:22:40,754 --> 00:22:43,994 Speaker 2: and David Beckham, And one of the big examples he 492 00:22:44,074 --> 00:22:47,954 Speaker 2: gave is that he alleges that Victoria in particular, ruined 493 00:22:47,994 --> 00:22:51,074 Speaker 2: his first wedding to Nicola Pelts, and one of the 494 00:22:51,114 --> 00:22:54,474 Speaker 2: allegations he made was that his mother came out and 495 00:22:54,594 --> 00:22:56,754 Speaker 2: ruined his first dance with Nicola and that she was 496 00:22:56,834 --> 00:23:00,033 Speaker 2: dancing inappropriately on him. So the DJ from the wedding 497 00:23:00,194 --> 00:23:03,314 Speaker 2: who was there has said there was no slut dropping. 498 00:23:03,874 --> 00:23:05,793 Speaker 2: People did think that, so it's actually fair of him. 499 00:23:05,874 --> 00:23:08,594 Speaker 1: I've seen that AI recreations and there's a lot of 500 00:23:08,634 --> 00:23:09,394 Speaker 1: slut dropping, like. 501 00:23:09,394 --> 00:23:11,154 Speaker 2: You wouldn't feel you'd have to put on the record, 502 00:23:11,154 --> 00:23:12,594 Speaker 2: but he did need to be on the record. He 503 00:23:12,674 --> 00:23:14,954 Speaker 2: said there was no slut dropping. There was no black 504 00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:17,994 Speaker 2: cat PVC catsuits. This man is a Spy Skirls fan 505 00:23:18,034 --> 00:23:20,434 Speaker 2: because he knows what Victoria wears, and there was no 506 00:23:20,594 --> 00:23:24,234 Speaker 2: spy Skirl action. He went on to say the next minute, 507 00:23:24,314 --> 00:23:26,513 Speaker 2: everyone was expecting it to be Nickola to go up 508 00:23:26,554 --> 00:23:28,834 Speaker 2: and do the first dance, and this is what we know. 509 00:23:28,914 --> 00:23:31,514 Speaker 2: So he's confirming this did happen. He's saying that Mark 510 00:23:31,554 --> 00:23:34,074 Speaker 2: Antony said it's time for the most beautiful woman in 511 00:23:34,114 --> 00:23:37,194 Speaker 2: the room to come up and then said Victoria's name 512 00:23:37,234 --> 00:23:40,674 Speaker 2: instead of Nicholas. He then confirmed that Nicola ran from 513 00:23:40,714 --> 00:23:44,073 Speaker 2: the room crying and was crying her eyes out, and 514 00:23:44,154 --> 00:23:46,274 Speaker 2: then he went on to say this man needed no prompting. 515 00:23:46,274 --> 00:23:47,634 Speaker 2: By the way, he was like, let me tell you 516 00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:50,674 Speaker 2: the full story. He said, Victoria was by the stage 517 00:23:50,714 --> 00:23:52,834 Speaker 2: and she goes up onto the stage, and of course 518 00:23:52,874 --> 00:23:56,754 Speaker 2: at that point Brooklyn is suddenly literally devastated because he 519 00:23:56,874 --> 00:23:58,874 Speaker 2: thought he was going to do his first dance with 520 00:23:58,914 --> 00:24:02,314 Speaker 2: his wife. Then Nikola leaves the room crying her eyes out, 521 00:24:02,354 --> 00:24:04,914 Speaker 2: and Brooklyn is stuck on stage. Then they do the 522 00:24:05,034 --> 00:24:07,474 Speaker 2: dance and Mark Antony is going, put your hand on 523 00:24:07,514 --> 00:24:10,594 Speaker 2: your mother's hips. It's a Latin thing. The whole situation 524 00:24:10,714 --> 00:24:12,634 Speaker 2: was very awkward for everyone in the room. 525 00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:15,793 Speaker 1: He also talks a little bit about what happens the 526 00:24:15,834 --> 00:24:18,234 Speaker 1: next day at like the recovery brunch that they had 527 00:24:18,314 --> 00:24:20,714 Speaker 1: because he dj name is fat Tony. 528 00:24:21,154 --> 00:24:22,954 Speaker 3: He did three days of the yea. 529 00:24:23,034 --> 00:24:24,634 Speaker 1: He was in the weeds of this and he was 530 00:24:25,074 --> 00:24:26,754 Speaker 1: very happy to ditch. He talks about how it was 531 00:24:26,834 --> 00:24:30,154 Speaker 1: really awkward the next day. It was basically Pelts's versus Beckham's. 532 00:24:30,154 --> 00:24:32,634 Speaker 1: There was a lot of tension in the room. It 533 00:24:32,674 --> 00:24:35,354 Speaker 1: is interesting to me that he was allowed to say 534 00:24:35,434 --> 00:24:38,434 Speaker 1: anything like surely he would have signed an NDA. 535 00:24:38,994 --> 00:24:40,234 Speaker 3: This is not confirmed. 536 00:24:40,634 --> 00:24:44,354 Speaker 1: There have been some speculations that he had received permission 537 00:24:44,354 --> 00:24:47,554 Speaker 1: to break the NDA from the Peltz Beckham. 538 00:24:47,554 --> 00:24:49,474 Speaker 2: Well, that must be the only reason. That's what I 539 00:24:49,514 --> 00:24:52,434 Speaker 2: was thinking too, because that would be a huge amount 540 00:24:52,474 --> 00:24:54,194 Speaker 2: of money he would have to pay out for breaking 541 00:24:54,234 --> 00:24:57,234 Speaker 2: an NDA like that. And it's something that you feel 542 00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:59,554 Speaker 2: because the Pelts and the Beckham family, both of these 543 00:24:59,674 --> 00:25:02,674 Speaker 2: very famous rich families, are very protective of their privacy. 544 00:25:02,714 --> 00:25:05,514 Speaker 2: They're both very litigious, they have legal teams on standby. 545 00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:07,714 Speaker 2: There's no way they wouldn't be collect in that money 546 00:25:07,754 --> 00:25:10,354 Speaker 2: unless they had said to him, And you're right, it 547 00:25:10,434 --> 00:25:12,354 Speaker 2: must have been the Pelts camp, because there's no way 548 00:25:12,354 --> 00:25:14,834 Speaker 2: the Beckhams would have released him from his NDA given 549 00:25:14,834 --> 00:25:15,714 Speaker 2: what he was going to say. 550 00:25:15,794 --> 00:25:19,234 Speaker 1: The thing that really tickles me is if the contract 551 00:25:19,394 --> 00:25:23,034 Speaker 1: was with the Peltz Beckhams, as in the two of them, 552 00:25:23,474 --> 00:25:26,074 Speaker 1: I would have assumed that the other two families would 553 00:25:26,114 --> 00:25:28,474 Speaker 1: have ensured that nothing could be said about them as well, 554 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,513 Speaker 1: like they would have maybe had their own separate ones, 555 00:25:32,034 --> 00:25:35,354 Speaker 1: because there's no way the Beckhams, Victoria and David would 556 00:25:35,394 --> 00:25:37,794 Speaker 1: allow this to happen. He also says that he's done 557 00:25:37,794 --> 00:25:39,874 Speaker 1: a lot of Beckham parties in the past, which makes 558 00:25:39,914 --> 00:25:42,354 Speaker 1: me think that he's kind of friends with them. So 559 00:25:42,434 --> 00:25:44,994 Speaker 1: I'm confused how he's been able to talk about this. 560 00:25:45,434 --> 00:25:47,474 Speaker 2: Yeah, he must have talked to someone behind the scenes 561 00:25:47,754 --> 00:25:49,434 Speaker 2: or he's at the stage where he's like, I'm getting 562 00:25:49,434 --> 00:25:52,794 Speaker 2: a huge bump of publicity from that. I wasn't expecting 563 00:25:52,794 --> 00:25:55,474 Speaker 2: to djay at Beckham party after this whole mess. Maybe 564 00:25:55,514 --> 00:25:57,834 Speaker 2: I'll just put my name out there, but yeah, it 565 00:25:57,914 --> 00:26:00,553 Speaker 2: is the first person who we know was definitely in 566 00:26:00,594 --> 00:26:02,834 Speaker 2: the room, who was definitely part of the celebrations, who 567 00:26:02,834 --> 00:26:05,714 Speaker 2: has actually come out under their own name, apart from 568 00:26:05,954 --> 00:26:08,754 Speaker 2: Brooklyn Beckham obviously, who has come out under their own 569 00:26:08,834 --> 00:26:11,194 Speaker 2: name and given their accounts of ms and the fact 570 00:26:11,234 --> 00:26:14,434 Speaker 2: that it matches Brooklyn's word for word of what happened 571 00:26:14,834 --> 00:26:16,594 Speaker 2: is interesting because now it's like there's a lot of 572 00:26:16,594 --> 00:26:19,434 Speaker 2: people who still think he's lying. The other interesting thing 573 00:26:19,514 --> 00:26:22,434 Speaker 2: is that the BBC's reported that British Vogue, who were 574 00:26:22,474 --> 00:26:24,874 Speaker 2: at the wedding because they were covering it, have told 575 00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:27,593 Speaker 2: a slightly different story, saying that Mark Antony didn't even 576 00:26:27,634 --> 00:26:30,514 Speaker 2: appear on stage until eleven PM, well after the dances 577 00:26:30,514 --> 00:26:33,834 Speaker 2: had happened, and they said it was Brooklyn who invited 578 00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:37,154 Speaker 2: his mother onto the stage to dance. Now, no one's 579 00:26:37,234 --> 00:26:39,194 Speaker 2: confirmed that, but that's come out as well. 580 00:26:39,274 --> 00:26:41,714 Speaker 1: Because I also heard that it was later in the 581 00:26:41,794 --> 00:26:44,474 Speaker 1: night and they'd already done a first dance. Yes, so 582 00:26:44,514 --> 00:26:46,674 Speaker 1: there was that, So there's a bit of confusion there. 583 00:26:47,074 --> 00:26:47,314 Speaker 2: Also. 584 00:26:47,474 --> 00:26:48,914 Speaker 3: Memory can be a funny thing. 585 00:26:49,314 --> 00:26:52,354 Speaker 1: The other thing that I found really interesting is Victoria 586 00:26:52,794 --> 00:26:57,194 Speaker 1: and the family out for this first public outing as 587 00:26:57,194 --> 00:27:00,594 Speaker 1: a family. So Victoria was honored in Paris for the 588 00:27:00,634 --> 00:27:02,834 Speaker 1: Officer of the Order of Arts and Letters, which is 589 00:27:02,914 --> 00:27:05,674 Speaker 1: kind of like a French knighthood. It's like an obi 590 00:27:06,034 --> 00:27:09,954 Speaker 1: that the English has honored for that, and it seemed very. 591 00:27:09,754 --> 00:27:10,714 Speaker 3: Calculated to me. 592 00:27:11,034 --> 00:27:13,914 Speaker 1: All of the footage of her and her family. David 593 00:27:13,994 --> 00:27:17,874 Speaker 1: was there, She was there, Harper was there, Cruise Romeo 594 00:27:18,394 --> 00:27:21,914 Speaker 1: plus the girlfriends, so we had Kim Turnbull and Jackie 595 00:27:21,914 --> 00:27:24,594 Speaker 1: Apostle were also all that, so they were all together. 596 00:27:24,994 --> 00:27:27,634 Speaker 3: They weren't black too, which felt like they were in morning. 597 00:27:28,434 --> 00:27:30,594 Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess like if Victoria wears a lot of black, 598 00:27:30,634 --> 00:27:32,794 Speaker 2: and a lot of her pieces are either those kind 599 00:27:32,834 --> 00:27:35,754 Speaker 2: of like really liquidy hues or black, they're also like 600 00:27:35,754 --> 00:27:37,794 Speaker 2: it's a somber event. Maybe they were trying to like 601 00:27:37,874 --> 00:27:39,914 Speaker 2: Victoria Beckham even to like all the royal weddings. She 602 00:27:39,914 --> 00:27:42,354 Speaker 2: always wear like a really deep navy blue or black. 603 00:27:42,394 --> 00:27:43,394 Speaker 2: She's a dark color goal. 604 00:27:43,594 --> 00:27:45,354 Speaker 3: It felt very calculated, though. 605 00:27:45,354 --> 00:27:48,313 Speaker 2: Well everything about this week has, because this week in 606 00:27:48,314 --> 00:27:51,594 Speaker 2: particular was really make or break for Victoria Beckham of 607 00:27:51,634 --> 00:27:53,793 Speaker 2: how she was going to conduct herself in public and 608 00:27:53,834 --> 00:27:56,594 Speaker 2: what narratives she wanted to push, because last week it 609 00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:59,594 Speaker 2: was just like this huge explosion of the statement and 610 00:27:59,754 --> 00:28:02,994 Speaker 2: people like drawing conclusions and people picking sides, and people 611 00:28:03,034 --> 00:28:05,754 Speaker 2: like combing through old interviews and things, and she was 612 00:28:05,794 --> 00:28:08,394 Speaker 2: like very much like kept on the cover. Wasn't seen 613 00:28:08,394 --> 00:28:10,474 Speaker 2: in public, which is often not so it wasn't like 614 00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:12,434 Speaker 2: a strange thing. I don't think she missed any pre 615 00:28:12,514 --> 00:28:15,794 Speaker 2: planned performances or interviews or events or anything like this. 616 00:28:15,914 --> 00:28:18,194 Speaker 2: But this week was very much scheduled to be a 617 00:28:18,274 --> 00:28:21,194 Speaker 2: very public week for her for a number of reasons. 618 00:28:21,234 --> 00:28:24,514 Speaker 2: So for that event, plus Emma Bunton's fiftieth which obviously 619 00:28:25,114 --> 00:28:27,593 Speaker 2: anything where the Spice Girls get back together and they 620 00:28:27,594 --> 00:28:30,314 Speaker 2: were all there except Melby, I believe they were all there. 621 00:28:30,434 --> 00:28:33,514 Speaker 2: That always makes headlines plus all these events she's doing, 622 00:28:33,674 --> 00:28:35,794 Speaker 2: plus this kind of like honor that she was receiving. 623 00:28:36,034 --> 00:28:37,634 Speaker 2: This was going to be a make or break week 624 00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:40,754 Speaker 2: for her of how she conducted herself and if people 625 00:28:40,954 --> 00:28:43,554 Speaker 2: sort of how they saw her, and she could have 626 00:28:43,594 --> 00:28:46,674 Speaker 2: come across cold or fame hungry if she was just 627 00:28:46,714 --> 00:28:49,194 Speaker 2: like at the event getting an award at a celebrity party. 628 00:28:49,514 --> 00:28:51,754 Speaker 2: But she's been pictured as she always is, I guess, 629 00:28:51,834 --> 00:28:54,954 Speaker 2: but she's been pictured so much with her family. I 630 00:28:54,954 --> 00:28:57,714 Speaker 2: think it's very telling that like her other sons Romeo 631 00:28:57,754 --> 00:29:00,994 Speaker 2: and Cruz by her side, their girlfriends are there. Obviously 632 00:29:01,074 --> 00:29:04,874 Speaker 2: Half a Seven's there, David's there, and also the two boys, 633 00:29:04,954 --> 00:29:07,034 Speaker 2: Cruise and Romeo have been going out on like some 634 00:29:07,234 --> 00:29:10,274 Speaker 2: public double dates with their girlfriends both there, and there's 635 00:29:10,314 --> 00:29:12,834 Speaker 2: been controversy with those girl friend. Yeah, but it's like 636 00:29:12,874 --> 00:29:14,554 Speaker 2: they were saying, like we have to push all that 637 00:29:14,594 --> 00:29:17,554 Speaker 2: aside and put on a very public front of look 638 00:29:17,554 --> 00:29:20,554 Speaker 2: at Victoria. How could she be this monster that Brooklyn 639 00:29:20,594 --> 00:29:23,594 Speaker 2: is portraying because all her other kids love her and 640 00:29:23,594 --> 00:29:26,914 Speaker 2: are standing by her, and their partners love her as well. 641 00:29:26,954 --> 00:29:28,474 Speaker 2: At least that's what the photos are saying. 642 00:29:28,594 --> 00:29:31,314 Speaker 1: It really seems though, because We're about a week since 643 00:29:31,434 --> 00:29:34,834 Speaker 1: this has dropped. We have two very clear camps. We've 644 00:29:34,834 --> 00:29:37,874 Speaker 1: got our team Victoria and there's the team Brooklyn. And 645 00:29:38,234 --> 00:29:40,954 Speaker 1: it does feel like there is a little bit of 646 00:29:40,994 --> 00:29:45,034 Speaker 1: truth to the whole Brand Beckham accusation that Brooklyn has 647 00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:49,034 Speaker 1: made because we see them all together, it seems very calculated. 648 00:29:49,034 --> 00:29:52,834 Speaker 1: But then I also love Victoria. I can't decide whose 649 00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:53,554 Speaker 1: side I'm on. 650 00:29:53,914 --> 00:29:55,074 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we've just to go with the 651 00:29:55,114 --> 00:29:58,074 Speaker 2: information we're being presented, and everyone's really knuckling down on 652 00:29:58,114 --> 00:30:00,954 Speaker 2: their sides. Yea by Victoria and David being like we're 653 00:30:00,994 --> 00:30:03,114 Speaker 2: a family unit. We will not comment on this, but 654 00:30:03,194 --> 00:30:05,674 Speaker 2: we will be pictured a lot with our children at 655 00:30:05,674 --> 00:30:08,394 Speaker 2: extended family and our face as friends. You know. A 656 00:30:08,434 --> 00:30:10,394 Speaker 2: couple of people have come out, like Andy Cohen, like 657 00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:12,914 Speaker 2: I'm teen Victoria. A lot of people are sort of 658 00:30:12,914 --> 00:30:15,594 Speaker 2: saying that at Emma Bunton's birthday, it was very much 659 00:30:15,634 --> 00:30:17,794 Speaker 2: like all the Spice girls are hugging her and everything, 660 00:30:18,034 --> 00:30:20,274 Speaker 2: and so it's very much like everyone in her life 661 00:30:20,314 --> 00:30:22,994 Speaker 2: is saying, like, we love this woman. She's this lovely, 662 00:30:23,074 --> 00:30:26,554 Speaker 2: caring person and we're helping her through this time. On 663 00:30:26,594 --> 00:30:29,474 Speaker 2: the other side, Brooklyn and Nikola after he put out 664 00:30:29,474 --> 00:30:32,754 Speaker 2: that initial statement also laid low. But just today they 665 00:30:32,754 --> 00:30:35,594 Speaker 2: have both put these videos on their Instagram account that 666 00:30:35,714 --> 00:30:40,474 Speaker 2: is them canoodling, kissing, just looking so happy and in love. 667 00:30:40,914 --> 00:30:42,234 Speaker 2: It's like they're trying to say, like, we're living the 668 00:30:42,314 --> 00:30:44,994 Speaker 2: simpler life. Like they're lighting a fire, they're walking through 669 00:30:45,034 --> 00:30:50,914 Speaker 2: the garden. She's got their dogs, you know, and they're yeah, yeah, 670 00:30:50,954 --> 00:30:52,994 Speaker 2: and she's like, and they're cuddling their dogs, and they 671 00:30:53,034 --> 00:30:54,994 Speaker 2: just they just look so happy and in love and 672 00:30:55,114 --> 00:30:57,794 Speaker 2: peaceful and like they're living this life away from the spotlight. 673 00:30:57,834 --> 00:31:00,034 Speaker 2: Which again, when you put the two images side by 674 00:31:00,074 --> 00:31:03,114 Speaker 2: side of like this crazy public week the Beckhams have 675 00:31:03,194 --> 00:31:06,834 Speaker 2: had and this smaller like snippet of like married bliss 676 00:31:06,874 --> 00:31:09,154 Speaker 2: that the Peltz that comes have put out, they're taking 677 00:31:09,194 --> 00:31:12,514 Speaker 2: two different tacks, but both of them have doubled down 678 00:31:12,634 --> 00:31:14,394 Speaker 2: on the image they're trying to put out. 679 00:31:14,434 --> 00:31:14,554 Speaker 4: Well. 680 00:31:14,554 --> 00:31:16,434 Speaker 1: It's funny though, because a lot of the criticism I've 681 00:31:16,474 --> 00:31:19,274 Speaker 1: seen of Brooklyn is this spoilt little nepo baby. 682 00:31:19,274 --> 00:31:21,074 Speaker 3: It's a lot of like that criticism. 683 00:31:21,714 --> 00:31:25,554 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because Melse was asked about her family 684 00:31:25,674 --> 00:31:28,994 Speaker 1: and the way that she raised her daughter who's now sixteen. 685 00:31:29,514 --> 00:31:32,434 Speaker 1: Melcie basically said, you know, she was very intentional about 686 00:31:32,514 --> 00:31:34,834 Speaker 1: keeping her daughter out of a spotlight because she didn't 687 00:31:34,874 --> 00:31:37,354 Speaker 1: want her daughter to be affected by fame. And she said, 688 00:31:37,394 --> 00:31:42,074 Speaker 1: I've got friends who have done something different, no judgment 689 00:31:42,114 --> 00:31:45,354 Speaker 1: at all, And people are kind of attributing that to Posh. 690 00:31:45,474 --> 00:31:47,434 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say she's got a wide circle of 691 00:31:47,434 --> 00:31:49,714 Speaker 2: friends who does that. But obviously, like in this moment 692 00:31:49,754 --> 00:31:51,634 Speaker 2: in time, it's like when David made a comment about 693 00:31:51,714 --> 00:31:54,634 Speaker 2: kids and social media, that everything anyone's saying at the 694 00:31:54,714 --> 00:31:57,874 Speaker 2: moment is being linked to this scandal. So that's where 695 00:31:58,074 --> 00:32:00,314 Speaker 2: Now obviously there's so many offshoots of stories that are 696 00:32:00,354 --> 00:32:02,754 Speaker 2: coming out, but at this moment in time, you know, 697 00:32:02,834 --> 00:32:05,434 Speaker 2: no one else from the family has commented on it further. 698 00:32:05,874 --> 00:32:07,314 Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot more to come from 699 00:32:07,314 --> 00:32:07,834 Speaker 2: this story. 700 00:32:08,034 --> 00:32:12,074 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're going to say very very glued to our seats. 701 00:32:12,634 --> 00:32:14,794 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 702 00:32:14,834 --> 00:32:17,034 Speaker 1: We love hearing from our spillers, so make sure that 703 00:32:17,034 --> 00:32:20,154 Speaker 1: you're following us on Instagram and TikTok. Please feel free 704 00:32:20,194 --> 00:32:22,194 Speaker 1: to drop us a DM and get in touch. 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