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Speaker 1: Hello, lovely neighborhood, and welcome to our Olympic Spotlight series.

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Speaker 1: As you will know, we are back recording new episodes

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Speaker 1: after our extended ninety two business month hiatus, now that

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Speaker 1: mumlife is becoming a little bit smoother, but given that

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Speaker 1: we find ourselves in the middle of Paris twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: whole world. I love the Olympics so much I get

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Speaker 1: emotional every time. I thought we'd also do a little

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Speaker 1: Olympic or re release series. We are so lucky to

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Speaker 1: have had so many incredible Olympians as past guests, who

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Speaker 1: are also competing right now over in Paris. And while

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Speaker 1: our conversations are from a while back, so please mind

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Speaker 1: the outdated time references. The essence of this show is

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Speaker 1: reflecting on people's different chapters along the way, and I

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Speaker 1: thought it would be fascinating to reflect on how far

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Speaker 1: they've all come since our last chat, some of which

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Speaker 1: were even before the last Olympics in Tokyo. As I

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Speaker 1: mentioned last episode, athletes aren't allowed to record from the

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Speaker 1: Olympic village or they can do interviews, but they can't

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Speaker 1: do audio and video, and we did have a few

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Speaker 1: is why we couldn't do catch up episodes with these guests.

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Speaker 1: But we do have a future record after the Olympics

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Speaker 1: I hope you are all loving watching along and enjoy

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Speaker 1: these throwback listens. Today's episode is the incredible Jess Fox,

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Speaker 1: who was our Australian flag bearer this year and has

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Speaker 1: her among a handful of Australians to ever have done so.

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Speaker 1: She's been chasing this for a few years now, with

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Speaker 1: her mum chasing the gold in ninety two and ninety

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Speaker 1: French background. To achieve this in Paris with her sister

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Speaker 1: Noomi also debuting in this Olympic Games. What a special

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Speaker 1: achievement it was for the entire family. So it made

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Speaker 1: sense for Jess to be our very first throwback episode.

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Speaker 1: Here's a look back at Jess just after her last

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Speaker 1: Olympics in Tokyo. Busy and happy are not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: We too rarely question what makes the heart seeing. We work,

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Speaker 1: then we rest, but rarely we play and often don't

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Speaker 1: realize there's more than one way. So this is a

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Speaker 1: platform to hear and explore the stories of those who

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Speaker 1: found lives They adore, the good, bad and ugly, the

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Speaker 1: Seizing your Yea. I'm Sarah Davidson, or a spoonful of Sarah,

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Speaker 1: a lawyer turned funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels

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Speaker 1: to co found matcha Maiden and matcha Milkbar. Seize the

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Speaker 1: Yea is a series of conversations on finding a life

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Speaker 1: know who today's guest is, or to have shed a

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Speaker 1: tear watching her incredible Olympic performance in Tokyo just a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, while all of our incredible athletes bore

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Speaker 1: the weight of great expectations on their shoulders, having debuted

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Speaker 1: then taking home a bronze medal in Rio, Jess Fox

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Speaker 1: probably faced more pressure than most as she tackled the

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Speaker 1: canoe slalem this year. Add two Olympic canoeists as parents,

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Speaker 1: the first ever Olympic Games to include the C one class,

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Speaker 1: which you'll learn all about nutchat for female athletes. I

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Speaker 1: pretty much had a breakdown just thinking about competing, and

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Speaker 1: yet the legendary Jesz charged her way through to a

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Speaker 1: If you listen to the show often, you might be

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Speaker 1: able to recognize my fangirl related babbling. I talk very

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Speaker 1: I was chughed to have this amazing woman on the

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Speaker 1: as I did. Jess Fox, Welcome to Cca Yay.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining, I mean so soon

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Speaker 1: after such an incredibly crazy whirlwind third Olympics. Stellar performance

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have been listening for a while. Love the

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Speaker 1: But I mean the fact that we can even do

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Speaker 2: I love it. It's been so overwhelming, actually, just the

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Speaker 2: outpouring of love, of support, of all the yeah, all

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Speaker 1: I have to admit I did ask my husband, like

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Speaker 1: little question about what the most down to earth thing

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Speaker 1: So what's something really relatable about you? Because you're right

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Speaker 2: I love how you sing Olympic gold medalist. I think

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Speaker 2: That's really down to earth isn't it. I think. I mean,

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Speaker 1: To learn, and I You're right, we can't even imagine

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, when you put it like that,

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Speaker 1: the stats are really really slim. But you defied all

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Speaker 2: we get, you know, twenty parents come and watch us,

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00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: was just incresible, the most amazing experience. I never would

433
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Speaker 2: have imagined that I would win a silver medal at

434
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: my first Olympics, and it was just a dream come true.

435
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 2: And after that it was quite funny because then there

436
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 2: was that expectation that you know, you would win or

437
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 2: you would keep winning things. But I was still quite

438
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 2: fresh on the on the scene, you know, so I

439
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: felt like I had to keep proving myself that it

440
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: wasn't a fluke at the Olympics. But yeah, then I

441
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: won a couple of world titles, and coming into Rio

442
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: was very different because there was now that expectation to

443
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: turn the silver into gold. And again in Tokyo. After

444
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 2: winning bronze in Rio, the same you know you're missing

445
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: one color, so.

446
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, babe, bring it home, bring it home.

447
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 2: So I think each Olympic experience has been really different

448
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: for me because obviously Rio I was the favorite, but

449
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: in my sport, any one of the top ten women

450
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: can win that Olympic finals. So even though I was

451
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: a little bit disappointed, I was still so proud to

452
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: win a second Olympic medal. And then Tokyo was incredible

453
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: because I had the opportunity to compete in two events

454
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: with that inclusion of the women see one, so two

455
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: opportunities to events. A lot more challenging to manage that

456
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: and manage the emotions. But yeah, and incredible and incredible experience.

457
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, only forty eight hours apart. As well,

458
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: I was just watching thinking, oh my god, I've barely

459
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: gone to sleep after watching the first event, and had

460
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: a snack and like had a nap, and then I'm

461
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: watching you again, Like imagine what you were trying to

462
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: do in between.

463
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 2: I mean pretty much the same thing, having snacks and

464
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: trying to sleep.

465
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how you slept. I could barely

466
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: sleep before some of the events, let alone actual Olympians.

467
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: But before we kind of go into a little bit

468
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: more about but we have to talk about the condom, obviously,

469
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: because that's innovation at it at its highest form, but

470
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: just to give people a lay of the land who

471
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: haven't followed the event and who don't, I sort of

472
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: went straight into lingo because I get really excited. I

473
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: did all my research and now I'm like, okay, one,

474
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: see what I know what you're talking about. Can you

475
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: just explain why you could do K one at London

476
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: and Rio and then what C one means and how

477
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: it's different, and you know, I think it's the single

478
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: and double bladed paddles that's the difference. But just to

479
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: the lay person, can you explain why it was such

480
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: a big deal this year to win the Sea one?

481
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the kayak you're in a seated position with

482
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: a double bladed paddle and in the canoe. You're kneeling

483
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: in the boat, you're strapped in and you've got a

484
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: single bladed paddle, but you still do the same course

485
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: the two events. It's kind of like freestyle and backstroke.

486
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: And I guess the thing was that in nineteen seventy

487
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: two the women could compete in kayak. That was our

488
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: first Olympic debut. I guess the men had three events,

489
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 2: the women had one event, and since that time there's

490
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: only ever been one event for the women and three

491
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: for the men until twenty ten when we had the

492
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: women c one added to the World Championship program. And

493
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: it was a really big fight to try and get

494
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: gender equality in our sport and to get that parity

495
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: of events and really try and move our sport forward

496
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: and make our federations understand that it's really important that

497
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: we have equal opportunities for the men and the women

498
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: in our sports. So there was a big campaign led

499
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: by Australia and Great Britain and France as well, and

500
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: all these countries were really pushing to build the women's

501
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: canoe up and to improve the level of the women,

502
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: to increase the number of women competing and to get

503
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 2: us at the Olympic Game. So yeah, I was really

504
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: proud to be part of one of those I guess

505
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 2: pioneering women really pushing for that, and to actually finally

506
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: have our moment in Tokyo in twenty twenty one was

507
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: just amazing because all those women on that start line

508
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: were the first representing their country in the women see

509
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: one at the Olympic Games, and it was just so

510
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: cool to be a part of that.

511
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, wonder you throw up? I would

512
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: have passed out fit had a seizure. How to write down?

513
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: Like throwing up is the bare minimum to have that

514
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: much on your should and knowing that your mum was

515
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: also an Olympic champion, Like you're carrying the flag for her,

516
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: and oh my god, how do you manage that? Like,

517
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: I think one of the questions I get most commonly

518
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: on the show, other than how do you find your passion?

519
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: Is how do you deal with societal expectations not just

520
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: of which pathway you should take, but once you're on

521
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: that pathway, about the way you should manage it and

522
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: the results you should get and the norms of like

523
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: what success is and what failure is, and like it's

524
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: really hard to go into something like that with the

525
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: nation literally writing headlines just to take gold home after silver,

526
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: and you know, like the do you just block it

527
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: all out? Is it like a blinkers situation or do

528
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: you meditate on it? Like how do you kind of

529
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: stay focused and go into a race like that knowing

530
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: that if you didn't walk away with the gold, you

531
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: could still be proud of yourself, Because I think that's

532
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: a big mental thing.

533
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think once you get to the Olympics, it's

534
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: mostly a mental game. Then it is a physical or

535
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: technical because everyone's at the top of their game, but

536
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: the mental is where the differences are made, especially with yourself,

537
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: like you can easily affect your performance based on the

538
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: state of your mind and how you manage all those

539
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: external things. And I definitely tried to block it all out.

540
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean in the village, the Australian HQ had you know,

541
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: TVs everywhere with the Channel seven broadcast going in every

542
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: five minutes. When I walk downstairs for a snack or

543
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: a coffee, I'd see maybe Jets Fox competes for gold tomorrow,

544
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, block out right way. And actually

545
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: the morning after my kayak and then I walked downstairs

546
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: and I saw I think it was my dad was

547
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: doing a Sunrise interview and the headline underneath was Jess

548
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 2: Fox missus Gold and I was like, oh, okay, so

549
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: this is Yeah, you've kind of got to be able

550
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: to block those things out, and I think if you don't,

551
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: then it can easily eat you up and just add

552
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: to the load, add to the stress. And for me, yeah,

553
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 2: I think I always remind myself that my sport is

554
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: really challenging. There are so many variables. You know, It's

555
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: not like a one hundred meter running or swimming race

556
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: where you know you've got the best time in the

557
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: world and you're leading, you've got the best time, the

558
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: best PB, then you know you should win basically off

559
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: the stats, whereas for us you can't really go off

560
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: the stats because every course is different, every race is different,

561
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's really about who can deliver their best

562
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: on the day in the conditions. So that's what I

563
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: always try to remind myself and just focus on the process,

564
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 2: knowing that I've done the preparation and that I just

565
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: need to sit on that start line, calme confident and

566
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: do the best that I can. And the only expectations

567
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: that matter are mine. But I think that the kayak

568
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: and the C one event and the canoe event at

569
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: the Olympics, I felt it. I definitely felt the external

570
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: expectations and pressure, especially after the kayak, and I remember

571
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: thinking as I was warming up in cee one, you know,

572
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: you've got all these other thoughts that are coming into

573
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: your head, like, you know, imagine if you stuff up today,

574
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: or oh my goodness, we're going to say when in fact,

575
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: it's not a given that you're going to win. You've

576
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: got to keep earning those podium spots. You know, you've

577
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: got to win your medal. So yeah, it's really challenging.

578
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: But I think that's where the meditation comes in. The mindfulness,

579
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: the breath work, any other psych work that we do

580
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: on the outside comes in.

581
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: We've kind of weaved into, you know, the natas. And

582
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: self doubt is one of the most common that comes up.

583
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: And it's funny that we refer often to imposter syndrome

584
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: and self doubt, But don't acknowledge external doubt when it's

585
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: not doubt from yourself. When it's like channel seven doubting

586
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: your ability to do it. You know, that's even more

587
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: of like an enormous external pressure weighing in on your

588
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: mental process. But I love what you said about how

589
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: your sport, But I think any real activity or pursuit

590
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: that people put their minds to most of the time,

591
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: if you're stopped by anything, it's not because you couldn't

592
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: physical do the task, it's because you mentally couldn't do

593
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: the task. So I feel like people put a lot

594
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: of effort into like their physical ability to do something

595
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: and don't realize that mental is fifty percent, if not more,

596
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: of most attempts at anything, because yeah, that's yeah, you

597
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: can talk yourself out of something so easily.

598
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: Oh it's amazing how much your self talk affects your

599
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: physiology as well. You know, the way that you react

600
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: to your words. And I think it's not just on

601
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: the day, it's the weeks leading up to it. Your

602
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: narrative really affects how you're going to approach a situation.

603
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: And I think also visualizing is super important, and not

604
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: just in sport, but in other areas. You know, like

605
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: I do it. If I'm going to give a big

606
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: presentation or something, I tend to kind of use the

607
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: same skills that I've developed in sport in that I'll

608
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: visualize myself doing it. I'll give myself cues, I'll do

609
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: some breathing work, because that's how I get myself in

610
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: the right mental state of overcoming the doubt that always

611
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: is going to creep in. It's just how you can

612
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: counter act those negative words or negative self talk that

613
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: comes up.

614
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: What did you find being in the village knowing that

615
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: you're away from Like the village look like so much fun,

616
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: so amazing to be surrounded by athletes from all different

617
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: sports and like cheering each other on. But I can

618
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: also imagine it's kind of like school camp. Like you

619
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: go from having the best of the best in your

620
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: own private space and your own like rituals and routines

621
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: to suddenly having to just live in this constructed village

622
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: and compete at the you know, not in your own bed,

623
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: and like all of those kind of variables, Like you mentioned,

624
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: the variables are changing all the time. How do you

625
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: like create consistency around that even if your environment is

626
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: changing all the time. Like I think at the moment,

627
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: people are finding it really hard that their external world

628
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: is changing and they can't control that. But I think

629
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: it's a really good lesson to speak to someone like

630
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: you who has to control your inner environment no matter

631
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: where you're sleeping or eating or staying or chatting or resting.

632
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean you talk about school camp,

633
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 2: but I love Zealand Pick Village. I think it's the best.

634
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: It had the best vibe this year, maybe because of

635
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: the last eighteen months that we've been through, but I

636
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: think the Aussie HQ was just an incredible setup. And yeah, look,

637
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: if you're used to luxury and like double beds and

638
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: a massive you know, on sweet bathroom or something, it's

639
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: probably not going to be as comfortable. But I'm used

640
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: to sleeping wherever, Like we're always hotels or airbnbs and

641
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: change in beds and things. So I think we've learned

642
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: to be super adaptable, and I think athletes generally are

643
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: very You have to be adaptable and flexible. Otherwise you

644
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: get too obsessed over fine details that are going to

645
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: again make you spiral because you're thinking you're focusing on

646
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: the wrong things. So for me, as long as I

647
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: can eat, sleep and recover, then that's really important for me.

648
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: And just trying to make routines and rituals wherever I

649
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: go It's funny. I tend to kind of get into

650
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: a routine. Whatever I tend to do the first day

651
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: or second day sort of sticking and it becomes my

652
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: routine for the rest of the time I'm there. So,

653
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: you know, that might have been having breakfast. I was

654
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: lucky I had a balcony, so having breakfast at the balcony,

655
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: having a coffee downstairs at the Olympic rings that were

656
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: there and people were Yeah, just little things like that

657
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: became part of my routine to help me stay calm.

658
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: And then I'll take with me things like I'll always

659
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: have my pillow. Obviously, Mum is my coach, so I'm

660
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: lucky that she comes with me too, so I do

661
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: have a little bit of home with me and that

662
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: support is amazing. But yeah, I just I tend to

663
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: be fairly flexible and not get too tied up or

664
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: superstitious or anything like that, because we don't know, if

665
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: you know, if you miss the bus and your warm

666
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: up time gets reduced, you have to deal with that.

667
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: So you've always got to be ready to kind of

668
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: adapt to the situation. At the Olympics.

669
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we get this idea that Olympians do

670
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: have like, of course in training you have the best

671
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: of everything, but you do have to be so flexible

672
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: because you're competing in different climates and temperatures and places.

673
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: You can't go and live for four years in the

674
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: place where the next Olympics is like, you've got to

675
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: be adaptable, which I hear you were in relation to

676
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: the use of condoms. So tell us what happened to

677
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: your damaged kayak and how you very cleverly innovated around

678
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: the problem. That's a pandemic pivot if I ever heard one.

679
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great segue. I'm not sure I've

680
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: ever thought I would go viral around a condom. But

681
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, there was a little bit of fake news

682
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: around it because I don't know who picked it up first.

683
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: I started a TikTok that I like, I would never

684
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: really post much on it, and I would post whatever

685
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: wasn't going on my Instagram as like you know.

686
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: The second hand overspill.

687
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I just posted that story like my

688
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: teammate Lucien was adding some carbon to my kayak tail

689
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: because I guess there's certain if you hit the bottom

690
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: too many times, it kind of wears away the the

691
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 2: boat and then you end up with a little hole

692
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: and it leaks, so we put some bog or some

693
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: resin on the tail and then using a condom, you

694
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: sort of cover it and it makes it really smooth,

695
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: as opposed to using cling film, which leaves it all

696
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: bumpy and annoying. So the condom we use them all

697
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: the all the time. But the media outlets sort of

698
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: made it out to be that the Olympics gave us

699
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 2: condoms that we couldn't use in the Olympic village because

700
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: of COVID, and so I used it to fix my kayak.

701
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: But in fact, we've always got them in our repair

702
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: kit because they're just so many to use on kayaks.

703
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's sort of fun funny because now it's

704
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: something we do all the time. But to the outside person,

705
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: they're like, what a condom on the kayaks?

706
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: It literally sounded like you invented it for the first

707
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: time ever in Tokyo, like you were like, oh, I've

708
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: got this thing, Wow, solution.

709
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: No, it's funny because if you watch my if you

710
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: watch the TikTok it's literally me going, I bet you

711
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: never knew condoms could be used to fix kayaks and

712
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: not one do I say, like, this saved my Olympics.

713
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is a disaster. I need to

714
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: find a solution. Oh a condo, like it's just with it.

715
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: And I was watching this happen going I'll just let

716
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: it slide, like surely it'll die down. And then I

717
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: was getting photos from like Cuba and Argentina and the

718
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: Netherlands and like everywhere that this story had gone everywhere,

719
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: and so yeah, it was quite funny.

720
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, I love the clarification. I was totally feeling

721
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: like you had invented this amazing scientific solution on the spot,

722
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: because what a disaster. You couldn't get in the water

723
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: without it.

724
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: That would be that would be the perfect fairytale story,

725
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't it.

726
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: But and from a technical standpoint, I found it so

727
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: interesting looking at how much the water, like how much

728
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: you have to navigate force and that I read that

729
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: you know the temperature is a lot warmer in Tokyo.

730
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: Obviously the water is warmer because it is warmer there.

731
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: How much can you simulate the exact like for a

732
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: c one for example, is the course the same every

733
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: Olympics or do you get it in advance? And you

734
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: how do you set that exact thing up, like, have

735
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: you even practiced that exact thing before you get in

736
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: the water.

737
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: No. So every white water venue is different, some some

738
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 2: have similarities.

739
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: So if you're like too many variables, oh I can't,

740
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: I can't compute, Oh my god, over.

741
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: The white water venue is different and some have similarities

742
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: because they use the same sort of blocks. And so

743
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: for example, the English have the London Olympic venue has

744
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: the same blocks as the Tokyo venue and they could

745
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: sort of move them to simulate similar features as Tokyo.

746
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: So in Penrith, we've got different block systems, so we

747
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: can't really replicate the Tokyo course, but we can still

748
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: do a lot of really good work with what we've got.

749
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: And every course is different, which means you're always working

750
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: on your adaptability. You're developing your technique on different waves,

751
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: different stoppers, different features, and so yeah, the gates that

752
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: they set we don't actually get to practice. We see

753
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: the course the night before and we don't practice it,

754
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: but demo runners sort of do the course for us,

755
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: so we can see what it looks like. We can

756
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: sort of choose different options or analyze the course and

757
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: think and you know, take times off the demo runners

758
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: and things like that, But we don't actually get to

759
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: have a practice run. But in the lead up, we

760
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: do get time on the water where we train and

761
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: try different things. And usually you would have done certain

762
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: moves that are on the race course, but just not

763
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: sort of strung together as those twenty five gates.

764
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't ask that question first. That

765
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: makes it a thousand million times more impressive, and it

766
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: already was ridiculously impressive that you can even navigate those turns,

767
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: some of them, I'm like, how did you just do that?

768
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: Then?

769
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: What is going in the opposite direction? But you never

770
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: have done that, Like you were talking before about how

771
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: in one hundred meters like you've run there's a stamed

772
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: Olympic track. You know, you're even in a four hundred.

773
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: You know the bends, you know, like eat, there's different lanes,

774
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: but you kind of have done all of the lanes

775
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: over and over again your whole life. There's muscle memory.

776
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: But for you to never have done that course beforeever

777
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: freaks me out so much. That's amazing.

778
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: But like we would have paddled on the course, so

779
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: we on the on the water, you know, you know

780
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: the features by that stage, we had two weeks of

781
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: training before the Olympics. But yeah, it's those gate combinations

782
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: that we haven't done. But you've sort of got to

783
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: trust your skills and your level to know that you've

784
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: probably done certain features, certain moves before, and you've got

785
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: the skills to do it, just you need to be

786
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: able to string it together. So that's where the visualization

787
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: comes in, because you've got to see yourself doing the

788
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: course that you haven't yet done to tell your muscles

789
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 2: and your body, yes, you can do this. We've done

790
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: this in our head in our life, look like we

791
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: did it.

792
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: I have this image of me trying to do it.

793
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: You know Crufts, You know if you love dogs, you

794
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: know that big British dog competition where they have like

795
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: all the little obstacles and they have like do spontaneous

796
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: ones that the dogs haven't done before. I'd be that

797
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: dog that goes like in the wrong gate and then

798
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: turns around and stops in the middle of my Olympic run,

799
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: like is it forward and backward? I don't know what.

800
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: They do have members on the gates and the green

801
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: ones you go down and the red ones come back out.

802
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: So I feel like you'd be okay with a little

803
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: bit of practice. Yeah, many don't throw in too many

804
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: capsizes and rolls, you know.

805
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: I just was like, how you'd like hair bin turns,

806
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: like not wasting a second of time? Holy bananas? What

807
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: went through your head when you got like did you know?

808
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: Towards the end, I feel like your face started to

809
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: be like I've got this, Like I've got this, and

810
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: then there's one thousand million pictures of your folk, like

811
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: the different stages of the motion that your face went

812
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: through as you cross the line. So all the time

813
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: realized like what actually went through your brain?

814
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I tried to stay really sort of in my

815
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: race and stay focused, and I heard I have this

816
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: annoying but all a really good ability to hear the

817
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: loud speaker when they tell me the split time or

818
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: when they announced the split time, I should say. So

819
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: I came into gate ten and I heard that I

820
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: was two seconds up, and then I sort of don't

821
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: hear it anymore, and I kept going on my run.

822
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: So I knew that I had a good top section,

823
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: but I knew that I also maybe gave away a

824
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: little bit of time on the bottom, even though it

825
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: was still a really good run. So I came into

826
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: that last upstream gate and when I pulled out and

827
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: I was clean and I hadn't got any penalties, I

828
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: was like, this is a good run, but you sort

829
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: of you never know until you cross that finish line.

830
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, when I crossed, it took me a couple

831
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: of seconds to like compute the time and figure out

832
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: it's green. I think that's a good thing. When's the

833
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: number one there? The number one? Oh my god, I've

834
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: just won. So it was sort of a bit of

835
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: a delayed reaction. But then, yeah, I just let out

836
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: all that emotion. There was joy screens, a lot of tears,

837
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: a lot of pent up pressure, and just this, I

838
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: guess the last forty eight hours after the kayak and

839
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: coming in to that race, just being able to perform

840
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: the way I did, being the last to start. I

841
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: just was so so full with that race. So yeah,

842
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: then there was tears when I saw my mom and

843
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: gave her a hug and my sister, so it was

844
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: really special.

845
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love that your mum is your

846
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: coach as well. I think that's so so beautiful and

847
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: like a testament to your relationship as well. But what

848
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: just a beautiful family moment. And also you're an amazingly

849
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: not unattractive crier, Like I am the ugliest crier. Your

850
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: cry face has been all over the papers instill, but

851
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: it's awesome. You just look so elated and happy and like, yeah,

852
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: you don't have an ugly cry face, so congratulations.

853
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: That must be my like happy cry like happy elated

854
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: cry face. But my sad cry face, my rom com

855
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: movie cry face. They're very different, and I very red

856
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: and blotchy and just I must have just had a good,

857
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: a good cry face that day, like.

858
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: The world is watching me cry face on. So coming

859
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: back to then the expectations that come with that, I mean,

860
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: you've just smashed through black I mentioned before, You've literally

861
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: been now like officially through all your achievements, become the

862
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: greatest individual paddler of all time in both men's and

863
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: women's events, which is just incredible. I think one of

864
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: the really difficult things about achieving goals is then how

865
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: do you pivot afterwards? How quickly some of us try

866
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: and move on to like Okay, yeah, celebrate for one day,

867
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: and then okay, what do I do next? And it's

868
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: hard to enjoy that moment but then keep momentum. And

869
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: then also, as you mentioned, you couldn't come home and

870
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: you're racing again like two weeks later in Europe. How

871
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: are you adjusting post the event and what you know?

872
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: Have you reorientated to new goals? Are you just sitting

873
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: in the joy of it? I know you're also studying,

874
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: so do you have another Olympics on the horizon or

875
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: how is your brain kind of again, how are you

876
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: saying words? Basically is what I'm asking.

877
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been such a strange period because we haven't

878
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: really had that I guess celebration period because the Ausies

879
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: had to come home and quarantine and then you know

880
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: a lot of them in lockdown, so there's not that

881
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: same vibe as our European or other countries where they're

882
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: coming home, they're doing welcome home parades, they're doing concerts,

883
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: they're doing all these things, and it's kind of like

884
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 2: a big celebration and then you can sort of park

885
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: that and move on. I'm kind of in this like

886
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: limbo of I'm going to celebrate when I get home

887
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: in a few months, so I kind of need to

888
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: refocus now. It's yeah, it's a strange time, but I think,

889
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: you know, not coming home was a choice because I've

890
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: got other competitions coming up, and we're in Spain in

891
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: the World Cup is in a couple of weeks, and

892
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: then there's a World Cup in Post so I'm based

893
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: in Poe at the moment. I'm getting back into training

894
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: and it is so fun. And I had back two

895
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: and a big weeks off and I'm struggling. So like,

896
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 2: I did three sets of like you know, fifteen push

897
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: ups and squats and things, and I saw today and

898
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, this isn't how it's meant to be. You're

899
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: an Olympic champion, so you know, you've got to stay

900
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: humble because you've got to start from scratch again basically.

901
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: And I've got to get back into training and set

902
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: those goals again. So I'm pretty good at switching my

903
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: focus and moving on and finding new goals. And I

904
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: think the carrot for me is definitely Paris in three

905
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: years time. You know, it won't be as long to

906
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: wait this time, hopefully, And yeah, I just want to

907
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: be able to compete in the kayak and the canoe

908
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: and then again and keep chasing those goals and I

909
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: think for me, because it's so different every race, there's

910
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: always that sort of challenge and the variety that I

911
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: love that keeps it fresh and exciting and fun. So yeah,

912
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: for me, I just want to keep pushing the technique

913
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: and keep getting closer to the boys and really lift

914
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: the level again. So I think that'll keep me going.

915
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: And then yeah, obviously studying. I'm doing an NBA through

916
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: Griffith UNI, so that'll definitely keep me busy and I

917
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: have a lot to catch up one at the moment,

918
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: so it's a good balance to have, though, I think,

919
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: to just have a little bit of distraction and something

920
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: to switch your focus off training.

921
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that leads really nicely into the last section,

922
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: which you know is your playta, and that's your identity

923
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: outside of your vocation or your work or your profession

924
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Because even if you love

925
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: your job, and even if you have the privilege of

926
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: doing something that doesn't feel like work, particularly if it's

927
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: what you love doing with your body and it is

928
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: really all consuming and you can afford to do only that,

929
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: I think you do need things that pull your brain

930
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: completely out of that just to keep fresh. Regardless of

931
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: anything else, just to keep your brain so you're not

932
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, you get fresh ideas and perspectives and to

933
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: rest and give yourself a bit of joy that isn't

934
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: always goal orientated or productivity or orientated. I know foster

935
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: caring for dogs is a really big one for you,

936
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: which I think is just beautiful. Is there anything else

937
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: that you do when you're Do you have do you

938
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: guys have an off season or do you have to

939
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: make one for yourself? Yeah?

940
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: Usually, like when I'm home in October until January is

941
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: out off season, and then the domestic season starts January

942
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: for every March, and then we head over seas in

943
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: April or June for the World Cups. So yeah, I

944
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: think for me, when the Olympics were postponed, I told

945
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: my family we were going to foster a greyhound called Pink,

946
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: and it was the best thing ever because greyhounds are

947
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: so beautiful and quirky and just quite calm actually, And

948
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: she's been the best thing. I think we've done it.

949
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: She's do with us foster turned a dog like a

950
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: foster failed, but she would also get it offered. But yeah,

951
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: I think for me it's also just doing things that

952
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: helped me calm down and switch off. So I love

953
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: like water color painting, which I started a couple of

954
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: years ago because it was easy to travel with and

955
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 2: just something to like. Even if I get some water

956
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: and just blob some colors on, just watch the colors

957
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: Like Blend is just really calming and relaxing if I'm

958
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: feeling a bit anxious or stressed, and just catching up

959
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: with friends when I'm home is Yeah. Going out for coffee,

960
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: going to the beach, doing you know, bushwalks in the

961
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: blue mountains, being outside in nature is something that I

962
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: was that's so lovely.

963
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: I love watercolor. It's so interesting how many people have

964
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: a plata that's very manual and very ARTI in that

965
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: it's mutually exclusive with their devices. Like you can't water

966
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: color and be on your phone or and on the

967
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: treadmill or and doing something else.

968
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime you use your hands, I think you automatically

969
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: aren't in your head as much because you're focused on

970
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: doing something and it's very tactical or visual or Yeah.

971
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: I really enjoy that.

972
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: Have you found that you've needed that more given that

973
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: you have had such a big media response and an

974
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: outpouring of love on social media, but I can imagine

975
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: it would be so hard to keep up with the

976
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: whole nation being like my kids are watch give on

977
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: the TV. Love, you know, like the burnout to stop

978
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: you from burning out because you did need to keep

979
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: competing and your studying on the side. How do you

980
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: manage your energy levels to keep kind of giving, you know,

981
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: and filling up the cup.

982
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: I feel like it's been to my advantage this year

983
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: that we've sort of had these bubbles, because it meant

984
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: I'm a bit more of an introvert. So I was

985
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: by myself in in the hotel room, or I'd have

986
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: that quiet time to myself, and I think that really

987
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: helps me recharge. If that's just reading a book or

988
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: watching Netflix or painting or something. But having that quiet

989
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: time really helps for me because I'm an introvert, whereas

990
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: normally it is a bit more chaotic, and I've got

991
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: to really manage that energy and carve out the time

992
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: a bit more. So. I think these Olympics were good

993
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: because because of COVID, we didn't have as much stuff

994
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: we had to do, or we couldn't actually see as

995
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: much media or do as much in a sense. So yeah,

996
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely been important, but it worked in

997
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: my favor a bit more this year.

998
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: I think, did you watch any other events or was

999
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: it just like stressful?

1000
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't stressful. I'm just really emotional, so I

1001
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: would just cry happy tears watching people in red wings,

1002
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, seeing my teammates winning gold medals in the

1003
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: swimming pool, and like, I just I had to. I

1004
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: got to a point the day before my race was like,

1005
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: you can watch it, but with the sound off so

1006
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: that you don't get carried away with the emotion, and

1007
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: by doing something else like cleaning your room so that

1008
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm not so you know, invested as much because I

1009
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: find I was just balling my eyes out. And they

1010
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: don't tell you how much crying you do at the Olympics.

1011
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: It's just all the tears, all the time, all the emotions.

1012
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: I love that so much. Ladies and gentlemen, Jess missed

1013
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: her race because she was crying over the swimming finals.

1014
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so sweet. Well, second last question,

1015
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: just to finish up, what are three interesting things about

1016
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: you that don't normally come up in conversation or in

1017
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: two views? So maybe something that someone in the Olympic village.

1018
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Who was living with you would know, but none of

1019
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: us would know.

1020
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: I was thinking we sort of we didn't really cover

1021
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: the nature as we because I was jumping all over

1022
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: the place. But I was thinking, and this maybe is

1023
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: such a millennial thing now, but I had an injury

1024
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: just before coming home last year where I cut my

1025
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: hand cutting an avocado. Yeah, so basically, be really careful

1026
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: when you cut avocados. Do not try and stab the

1027
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: pip because that just went straight through and it was

1028
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: really stupid. As soon as I did it, I was like,

1029
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: what have you done? And my fingers kind of curled

1030
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 2: up straight away, and I thought I'd done some really

1031
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: bad damage. But thankfully I just missed the tendon, the nerve,

1032
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: and the artery. I got so so lucky. But basically

1033
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: the surgeon that I saw when I got out of

1034
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: quarantine was like, you would have been out for eighteen months.

1035
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 2: So I almost missed the Olympics before an avocado, which

1036
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: I haven't really told that many people about.

1037
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: That is so amazing.

1038
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: But now I literally I love mush the avocado out.

1039
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't even like I use a spoon. I don't

1040
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: trust myself with knives. Anymore.

1041
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: I love that you went straight for the pip, like

1042
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: just stablish it.

1043
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: I didn't stab it like you would imagine it, you know,

1044
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: a murderer stabbing. It was more like a big knife

1045
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: kind of like smash the pip. You know how you

1046
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: sort of hold the avo in your palm and then

1047
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: you sort of like lightly tap the big knife and

1048
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: it kind of digs into the pip. Well, I had

1049
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: a little knife and it didn't work. It just kind

1050
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: of slipped straight went straight through into the flesh and anyway,

1051
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: so that's.

1052
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's not like you need your hands

1053
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: for your sport or anything.

1054
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, worst injury. And it wasn't even from

1055
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 2: kayaking or canoeing. It was from a culinary mishap. So

1056
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: that's probably one. I'd say I've met all the royal

1057
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: family except for the Queen because stop it. Because in

1058
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: London I got to meet the Duke and Duchess, Prince

1059
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: William and Princess Kate sort of they had this I

1060
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: guess Commonwealth reception where they met some of the medalists

1061
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: and things. So I got to go to that, and

1062
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: I was actually at my grandma's and she's got this

1063
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: big photo of it, which is why I've thought of

1064
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: it right next to the din dining tables. So and

1065
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: then I got to meet Harry and Meg when they

1066
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 2: Meg like, I know them Harry and Megan.

1067
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: Meg's my bestie when they.

1068
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: Came to Australia a couple of years ago. And same

1069
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: with Charles and Camilla. I don't know how, but I've

1070
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: always ended up at these events and it's been amazing.

1071
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, just missing the Queen now, so that's the

1072
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: next one on the list.

1073
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: And Queenny, Oh my god. But I feel like, as

1074
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, the world's foremost paddler, you could just request

1075
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: a meeting with the Queen. I am Jess Fox.

1076
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: My dad has met the Queen, so I can just

1077
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: be like, well, now our whole family has met somewhat

1078
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Speaker 2: from the raw family.

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Speaker 1: Do you fan girl?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Do you e a fan girl? People? I would totally

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00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: I would not be able to keep by call in

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00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: the Olympic Village.

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00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: I'd just be like, no, I fangirl all the time.

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00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: I fangirl meeting Ash Party and Steph Like, I'm like,

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00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: just play it cool, Jess, play cool. But Ash Barty

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00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: sent me a message on Instagram one day replying to

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00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: my story and I was like, I was on the

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Speaker 2: bus going to trading and I was like, guys, Ash

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00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: Bunny just messaged me and it was about feel bogs

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Speaker 2: or something. But that was my fangirl moment for sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that you are a real

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00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: human in that case. If you fan girl other people,

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Speaker 1: it's like, that's really down to earth about you. Oh

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Speaker 1: they're amazing.

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Speaker 2: Famous.

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00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: But he feels like, no, no, Paul wait way earlier

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00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: than me. And I mean, you know, he's been alone

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00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: on your whole journey. He was cheering you on, he

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Speaker 1: was consuming, he did our research, We did our research together.

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Speaker 1: He nearly came on the call. He was just so excited,

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Speaker 1: but I thought he'd yell the whole time. And very

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Speaker 1: last question, since I love quotes so much, what's your

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Speaker 1: favorite quote? And I'm going to ask you for one

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Speaker 1: in English and French.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I wasn't prepared for this.

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Speaker 1: I should have taught you only if you have one.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've got one in French, but I'll

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Speaker 2: see if one comes to mind. But I think it's

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Speaker 2: funny because I love quotes, but I never remembered them.

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00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: But I remember I started this when I was probably

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Speaker 2: before London. I get a fresh training diary, and before

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00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 2: filling it out or anything, I would go to random

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Speaker 2: pages and write like little quotes or like little personal

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Speaker 2: messages to myself or affirmations, and then you know, throughout

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Speaker 2: the year, you'd get to that page and you'd see

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Speaker 2: this quote and it would kind of sometimes be a

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Speaker 2: really nice message or something that connects with what going through.

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Speaker 2: And this year I sort of did the same thing,

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Speaker 2: and one that really stood out to me was a

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Speaker 2: river cuts through rock, not because of its power, but

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Speaker 2: because of its persistence, and I was like, well, it

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Speaker 2: connects to the river to what I do. And also

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Speaker 2: I just love any metaphor with rivers because it's always

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Speaker 2: about flow and you know, being relentless and that sort

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Speaker 2: of thing. So I really loved that one. But also

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00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: had this Japanese I guess concept that I sort of

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Speaker 2: focused on in the last four years, which is the

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00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: concept of kaizen. I'm not sure if you've heard of it.

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Speaker 2: It's it brings tenuous improvement, so always about looking for

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00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: those one percenters, just looking to be a little bit

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Speaker 2: better than the day before, and that has really helped

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Speaker 2: me each day to be like, Okay, what can I

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Speaker 2: do today to get me a little bit closer to

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Speaker 2: my goal and to just keep improving that little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're beautiful. I love those ones. I love the

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Speaker 1: river one, and there's another one that I love that's

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Speaker 1: also kind of environmental slash geological, which I like, a

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00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: diamond is just a chunk of rock that did well

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00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: under pressure. Yeah, the same thing of like that, relentless,

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00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Like it's small, repeated motions, like the smaller habits that

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Speaker 1: you do every day. It's not the big grand gestures

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00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: of waking up and being an Olympic champion. It's all

1144
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: the tiny little steps that you took to get there.

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00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: Because I think like that is the difference speaking to

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00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: people like yourself versus people who still don't really know

1147
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: how to get to their goal. It's that they interpret

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00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: it as one big jump, and that's why they can't

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00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: get there, because they're trying to find this big aha moment,

1150
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: whereas it's all these little tidy ones and you're just

1151
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: focusing on the next small one each day, and then

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: suddenly you're like at twenty twenty one in Tokyo. It's

1153
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Speaker 1: like oh oh here I am. Yeah, it's a bit.

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Speaker 2: Like that iceberg, you know, visual concept in that you

1155
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: might you might think that it was an AHA moment

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00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: as well. For some people they might think, oh wow,

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: but actually it's just the culmination of all those little

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00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: things you've done to get there that have helped you

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00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: have that breakthrough. So yeah, I think for me, it

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00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: was always believing that I could do it, and I

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00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: dreaming about that gold medal, but dreaming more so about

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Speaker 2: doing the best race that I could at the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: And you know, everyone kept saying, oh, you deserve that

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00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: gold medal, you deserve it, and you know, I was like, yeah,

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00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: I deserve this. But it's well that you're actually you

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00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: can't say you deserve it until you've gone and earned it.

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Speaker 2: You've got to say I deserve to do my best today,

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: you know. And I think that applies to any industry, anything.

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00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: Whenever you've got a really big moment, it's well, if

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: you've worked really hard for this, and if you've committed

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00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: you know, so much time and energy, and you've really

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: applied yourself, you deserve to do the best you can

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Speaker 2: on that day and show the world what you can do.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Jess, well, you absolutely have shown us all and

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: are just such an inspiring and delightful human sportswoman role

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Speaker 1: model for us all massive. O course, I'm a jet

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Speaker 1: dier l enter l'espagnol.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Just just Sarah talking about how many languages

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Speaker 2: so she can speak, and I'm just in awe, that's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Mostly a lot of them I learned, like at Sience Po,

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00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: just from how many international students they were there and

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00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: being exposed to like such a melting pot of languages

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00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: because all the Latin languages are so similar. You just

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Speaker 1: kind of absorbed by immersion. It was so good.

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Speaker 2: I kind of We're going to Spain next week. And

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Speaker 2: I always say that I can understand it, but I struggle,

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00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: but I don't have all the vogueap to speak it.

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00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: But whenever I'm in doubt, I just say the word

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Speaker 2: in French and add an O or an a at

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Speaker 2: the end, and sometimes sometimes I.

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Speaker 1: Understand or like a D like dad. All of those

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01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 1: add a dad at the end, and I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 1: a dad, or an eas like Glassiers. All of those

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm, probably not going to work most of

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Speaker 1: the time, but I sound Spanish, that's fine. Do you

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Speaker 1: speak French with your mom?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we speak like Franglish, you know. And it's funny

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Speaker 2: because when I'm tired sometimes it depends like I'm in

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Speaker 2: France at the moment, so sometimes the words in English

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Speaker 2: don't come to me as easily, which is weird. And

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Speaker 2: then when I'm in Australia, the French words don't come

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Speaker 2: to me as easily. So whenever I'm tired, it's like

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Speaker 2: my brain has to then revert to the other language.

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Speaker 1: Did you have an accent because you were four right

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Speaker 1: when you came, Yeah, you know you were. I had

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Speaker 1: a little French accent at school.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, so cute. I don't know. Actually, well,

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Speaker 2: my parents were a bit worried because they didn't know

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Speaker 2: if I spoke English. When we came to Australia. Mum

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01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: would always speak to me in French and Dad would

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01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: always speak to me in English, but I would always

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Speaker 2: reply in French. So they're like, eh, just chuck her

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01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: in school and see what happens. But yeah, once I

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01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: was there, I was fine. I might have had an

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Speaker 2: accent at the start, I'm not sure, but I don't

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Speaker 2: have an accent now. In French or English, which is good.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was Ange. And she was like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you speaking to Jess. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: speak French or I was like, oh, she's French. Like

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Speaker 1: she doesn't have an accent, she's a total boken, but

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Speaker 1: she speaks French. I was like, okay, I'll practice. I

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Speaker 1: always say little kids though, like who speak their normal,

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: like their mother tongue, and it just happens to be

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Speaker 1: a foreign language. And I'm like, ah, they're so smart,

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Speaker 1: like how they speak fluent Chinese or whatever, and they're

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: like it's the only language I speak. But for some reason,

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Speaker 1: I'm just so impressed by little kids who speak different languages.

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Speaker 2: I wish I'm so fascinated by languages. I think it's amazing,

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Speaker 2: and especially when you learn young, your brain just it's so.

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Speaker 1: Curt Sponge, well, thank you so much, lovely congratulations on everything,

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01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for your time. This has

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Speaker 1: been delightful. I've been fangirling you the entire time. I

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01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: think this is the least articulate I've been in a

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01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 1: long time because I was just like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my chess, thank you so much, so nice a chat.

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01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: Love the giggling as well. It's nice to start the

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01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: day this way for me here, it's been great.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I just enjoyed this one so much. What an

1239
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: absolute legend, Especially having followed Jess so closely at the Olympics.

1240
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: How special to get a bit of the behind the

1241
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: scenes of her experience finally grubbing that gold. If she

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: made you smile like she did for me, Please give

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01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: Jess some love over at Jess Fox ninety four on Instagram.

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: I know our guests are always just so blown away

1245
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: by the neighborhood feedback, and it means so much to

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01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: me to know that you're showering our guests with love.

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01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: I hope you're all looking after yourselves at this crazy

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01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: time that just seems to get crazier and crazier, and

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Speaker 1: finding little ways every day to seize your yeay