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Speaker 3: What women are actually talking about on Friday the twenty
Speaker 3: second of August.
Speaker 2: I'm hollywayin right, I'm Amelia Lester, and I'm a Burnham.
Speaker 3: We've got a bit of a different Friday line up
Speaker 3: today because our Jesse Stevens is away. Here's what made
Speaker 3: our agenda for today is Lindsay Loewen's comeback healing or
Speaker 3: an example of having to get back in line to
Speaker 3: get back in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: The first thing I've read about AI which actually teaches
Speaker 1: me how to use chatbots properly.
Speaker 2: And a juicy face product, a viral animated film, and
Speaker 2: an Instagram account that reads as a big cry for help.
Speaker 2: It's our Friday recommendations.
Speaker 5: But first, I don't want to victimize myself in any
Speaker 5: way because I'm cool, but like the sexualization of me,
Speaker 5: like if that was a girl, you know, like people
Speaker 5: will be like there'll be a march for it, Like
Speaker 5: you just seriously, you're just talking about my dick all day.
Speaker 2: So Pete Michael Davidson is a really big comunian in
Speaker 2: the US. He got really famous when he was on SNL,
Speaker 2: started as a writer, then became a performer, and he's
Speaker 2: also known for just dating really famous A list women.
Speaker 2: He recently went on the Breakfast Club radio show and
Speaker 2: was asked about the rumors surrounding his penis size, and
Speaker 2: he said that it isn't fun to be known for
Speaker 2: quote banging a lot of hot chicks and having a
Speaker 2: ten inch penis.
Speaker 3: He is literally the man responsible for the phrase big
Speaker 3: dick energy. Right Yese is dating Ariana Grande.
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande, So I went into a deep dive of
Speaker 2: where this rumor started, and it did start with Ariana Grande,
Speaker 2: who was his girlfriend at the time. She tweeted that
Speaker 2: he had a ten inch penis.
Speaker 1: But as he points out in this interview to Ariana Grande.
Speaker 6: Everything looks enormous has really little.
Speaker 4: The BDE around people I feel dirty for last year. Okay,
Speaker 4: the bd.
Speaker 6: Around me, it's really hurtful.
Speaker 2: Holly, come on, it's really it's really hard for Pete. No,
Speaker 2: it is really hard. So it started with Ariana Grande.
Speaker 2: It kind of continued as he started dating a lot
Speaker 2: of famous women in Hollywood. Kim Kardashian was asked how
Speaker 2: they kind of met together and how they started dating,
Speaker 2: and she said, I had to get amongst this bde.
Speaker 2: I heard so much about it. It's been really perpetuated
Speaker 2: by the women he dates. And in that comedy special,
Speaker 2: similar to what you said, Amelia in twenty twenty, he
Speaker 2: talked about how he hated that Ariyana started that, how
Speaker 2: she tweeted that. The tweet immediately got deleted. But that's
Speaker 2: kind of where it blew up, and that's all everyone
Speaker 2: talks about, either him and who's dating or his penis.
Speaker 3: Well, because it also there was a phase it seemed
Speaker 3: like he was dating everybody right, like every woman in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: every very hot.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's become a punchline.
Speaker 6: Plain women in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: But he's become a punchline. You'll often see women saying
Speaker 3: after the divorce, I'll be dating Pete Davidson next. Like
Speaker 3: he has become a joke, So I understand why that
Speaker 3: would be annoying.
Speaker 4: What do we think.
Speaker 3: About is if I was a girl, they'd be marching
Speaker 3: for this ship line.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he's got a point because think
Speaker 1: about how odd it would be for let's say, Pierce
Speaker 1: Brosnan to be talking about someone he dated having a
Speaker 1: I mean, the mind boggles.
Speaker 6: There is vagina? Is is that?
Speaker 3: What? There is a parallel because I had thought about
Speaker 3: this with Jessica Simpson right so famously, when Jessica Simpson
Speaker 3: was in a long on off situationship with John Mayer,
Speaker 3: he went on podcasts and called her sexual napalm. He
Speaker 3: said he wanted to pitch a tent on her vagina.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I guess he thought he was paying her compliments if
Speaker 3: he was thinking at all. And Jessica Simpson since has
Speaker 3: talked a lot about that and saying it was mortifying
Speaker 3: because everybody's like, oh, well, that'd be great, right for
Speaker 3: the world to know how good in bed you are
Speaker 3: and how you're addictive. And I think he said something like,
Speaker 3: you know, I couldn't give it up if I wanted to.
Speaker 3: I want to pitch a tent on a vaginal or
Speaker 3: whatever he said, and she said it was objectifying, devastating
Speaker 3: because it might sound like a compliment, but it's just
Speaker 3: absolutely sexualizing you to the world. And I guess that's
Speaker 3: what Pete Davidson also thinks, right.
Speaker 2: Are we allowed to run with it if the initial
Speaker 2: comment came from that person's partner, like, does that give
Speaker 2: us an excuse to them?
Speaker 4: I take it and make it speaker versus if it
Speaker 4: was just.
Speaker 6: A random, brilliant point.
Speaker 1: Because another person in Hollywood who people say this about
Speaker 1: is John Hamm, and there's a very famous photo of
Speaker 1: John Hamm where it is said to be proven that
Speaker 1: he is this well and doubt. But what's interesting is
Speaker 1: John Hamm's partners. He has had your Partner's and Pete
Speaker 1: Davison in the public eye, but neither of his partners
Speaker 1: who have been in the public eye has spoken out
Speaker 1: to verify this rumor or to deny it.
Speaker 2: I was completely on his side this whole time, because
Speaker 2: I do think some of the comments that have I've
Speaker 2: seen on the internet personally are so degrading and so harmful.
Speaker 2: But what really irks me is that if the roles
Speaker 2: were reversed argument, because I think that makes it even
Speaker 2: more harmful. Because he's dated Kimkardashian, he's dated Emily Radikowski.
Speaker 2: No one's having marches for them, and people sexualize them
Speaker 2: every single day.
Speaker 4: Absolutely true.
Speaker 3: I think what's irritating for whether you're him or whether
Speaker 3: you are Jessica Simpson, is that he wants people to
Speaker 3: talk about his comedy and he wants people to talk
Speaker 3: about his art, and all people ever want to talk
Speaker 3: about is the fact that apparently it's fine to talk
Speaker 3: about his penis, and that must get old, even if
Speaker 3: you're very, very proud of your penis. Let's do a
Speaker 3: little time traveling. Is there anything more quintessentially naughties than
Speaker 3: the photographs? And I'm sure you know the ones of
Speaker 3: which I speak of. Lindsay Lohan at a Hollywood beach
Speaker 3: party circa about two thousand and seven, posing in a
Speaker 3: bikini with an alcohol monitoring bracelet on her ankle that the.
Speaker 4: Court ordered her away. Was she and Adelby's muse.
Speaker 3: Yes, clearly this was so much a moment that at
Speaker 3: the time she tweeted, because that was also a thing
Speaker 3: in those days, at Chanelle, please help me out getting
Speaker 3: some stickers to put on my scram bracelet, which is
Speaker 3: the monitoring bracelet around her ankle, so I can at
Speaker 3: least wear a sheet dress, maybe kiss like it was
Speaker 3: a big thing, all right. At that time, Lindsay Lohan
Speaker 3: had become largely a punchline, right, speaking of celebrity punchlines,
Speaker 3: that sounds like the name of a podcast celebrity Punchlines
Speaker 3: or a game show.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, trademark that, yeah.
Speaker 3: Immediately, because she'd started out, as we all would know,
Speaker 3: as a very promising child actor, and people would say,
Speaker 3: I've never seen talent like it, so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: She famously went to use a very overworked euphemism off
Speaker 3: the rails, and by the turn of the twenty tens,
Speaker 3: she was more famous for her mugshots than she was
Speaker 3: for her work. In fact, when I was looking at
Speaker 3: this today, I found this article from The Cut in
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. The headline was Lindsay Lohan's new mugshot is
Speaker 3: her best one yet, and it read written by more
Speaker 3: In O'Connor, thank you, Lindsay Lohan's new mugshot is out
Speaker 3: and it's her best one yet. After accepting a plea
Speaker 3: deal that will cry a rehab, community service, and probation
Speaker 3: for reckless driving and lying to the police, Loan posed
Speaker 3: for her sixth booking photo, working winged eyeliner and an
Speaker 3: expression that conveys boredom with a hint of mischief. This
Speaker 3: is how we were talking about Lohan.
Speaker 1: By this, the most dated reference there is Winged I
Speaker 1: that's how you date it to twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Now she was being arrested for, among other things, dui
Speaker 3: cocaine possession, assault over a period of time. It was
Speaker 3: a very chaotic time. That's how we all experienced her.
Speaker 3: Precociously talented young actress who had to retreat from Hollywood
Speaker 3: until now. Her comeback started with the straight to Netflix
Speaker 3: rom com. She did three of those, and now Disney
Speaker 3: have backed her with this sequel to Freaky Friday called
Speaker 3: Freaky Friday. I was part of those Lindsay Low and
Speaker 3: meltdown years from the evil position of being one of
Speaker 3: the people who was putting her on the cover of magazines.
Speaker 3: But how was your relationship with Lohan? Because she's a
Speaker 3: millennial icon, right, and I've got a millennial here and
Speaker 3: a jen Z here.
Speaker 2: I knew Lindsay Low and when she was a bit older,
Speaker 2: still a massive, massive Disney star like Confessions of a
Speaker 2: teenage Drahma Crean. I had that on DBD Herbie fully
Speaker 2: loaded Parent Trap. I think I was I watched that
Speaker 2: a bit later in life because I came out in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight and I was born ninety ninety six.
Speaker 2: And then when she disappeared off Disney and then started
Speaker 2: to appear in the media that my mom consumed. I
Speaker 2: remember my mom actually having a conversation with me, going,
Speaker 2: I don't think you should watch anything with Linday Lohan anymore,
Speaker 2: because obviously something was happening. And then I would like
Speaker 2: see the magazines like Who magazine that my mum was reading,
Speaker 2: and I just see these photos of Lindsay Lowan, who
Speaker 2: didn't even look like the Lindsay low and I knew,
Speaker 2: just do you remember those courtroom photos of her just
Speaker 2: crying and like holding onto her lawyer's arm and like
Speaker 2: pleading with her. I remember those stuck in my head,
Speaker 2: and I was so so young. And then it's like
Speaker 2: I literally just like blanked her off my slate and
Speaker 2: didn't hear anything about her until recently.
Speaker 4: Emelia.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the comeback right because
Speaker 3: I was reading a piece, which is what I wanted
Speaker 3: to talk about today in Glamor magazine that said it
Speaker 3: was headline while Lindsay Lowen's comeback is surprisingly healing, and
Speaker 3: it put forward the argument that I think we're all
Speaker 3: pretty familiar with that millennial celebrities. We were awful to them,
Speaker 3: and when I say we, I mean not you guys.
Speaker 4: I actually was.
Speaker 3: But like the media was awful to them, we hounded them.
Speaker 3: The paparazzi was absolutely unstoppable. It was sport right getting
Speaker 3: a picture of Lindsay Lohan and falling out of a
Speaker 3: car or crying in the dock and court or whatever
Speaker 3: was sport. In this article, Stephanie McNeil wrote, as I
Speaker 3: watched Lindsay and Freaky of Friday, one thought continually crossed
Speaker 3: my mind. Nature is healing, or perhaps millennial girlhood is healing.
Speaker 3: Sure the world has welcomed her back with open arms,
Speaker 3: but only once she vanished for years and returned as
Speaker 3: a respectful wife and mother.
Speaker 4: While it feels.
Speaker 3: Gratifying to see her thrive, she also didn't deserve to
Speaker 3: fall so hard. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit more complicated than that. I
Speaker 1: don't consider myself healed as of yet. Even though Mean
Speaker 1: Girls is obviously millennial cannon, I think it's partly because
Speaker 1: she was always more complicated than some of the other
Speaker 1: millennial icons that we've seen make a comeback. Part of
Speaker 1: that is that there were some dark, really dark chapters
Speaker 1: in her life along the way. I can't not think
Speaker 1: about the Instagram live that she posted in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: where she attempted to kidnap a Syrian child on the
Speaker 1: street in what we think was maybe Moscow, speaking a
Speaker 1: combination of English, Russian and Arabic and trying to forcibly
Speaker 1: remove the child from the child's parents. Now, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that there was substance abuse involved here at some point,
Speaker 1: but it's still a kind of chilling thing to watch.
Speaker 1: And unlike say Britney, where Britney posts the strange dance
Speaker 1: videos in her mansion that's not really hurting anyone, a
Speaker 1: video of Lindsay Lohan trying to abduct someone is a
Speaker 1: different thing.
Speaker 3: I think that the read on this would be that
Speaker 3: Lindsay Lohan was so hounded. There's no question that there
Speaker 3: was lots of substance abuse, as you know, that was
Speaker 3: why she was wearing the monitoring bracelet and the subsequent DUIs,
Speaker 3: and it was all very much on the record.
Speaker 4: It wasn't rumored.
Speaker 3: When she disappeared, she literally disappeared overseas, so she left
Speaker 3: America and she spent some time in Russia, as she referenced,
Speaker 3: she spent time in London, and then she settled in
Speaker 3: the UA. She lives in Dubai.
Speaker 2: Will then she moved to Dubai in twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 2: like her main reason for moving was because it's illegal
Speaker 2: to take photos of people.
Speaker 3: She says that, but also what she did, and this
Speaker 3: is a very interesting argument about what this is. What
Speaker 3: you kind of have to do, is that she married
Speaker 3: a financier who is his vice president of a very
Speaker 3: high up bank. She is protected now literally by money,
Speaker 3: distance from Hollywood, a level of cover, and the question
Speaker 3: is could it have gone any other way?
Speaker 6: Really, she's also protected from her family.
Speaker 1: You remember Dina Lohan was a huge figure in the tabloids.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you covered her too, and she was kind
Speaker 1: of the quintessential stage mom, like always putting getting Lindsay
Speaker 1: money ahead of Lindsay's own welfare. I guess I compare
Speaker 1: her to like a Drew Barrymore. Drew Barrymore was another
Speaker 1: incredibly talented, precocious young actor, and she rose to fame
Speaker 1: with E T in the eighties and then she had
Speaker 1: a very public battle with substance abuse of course after that,
Speaker 1: and now she has been redeemed in much the same
Speaker 1: kind of domesticated way that a singleplendsay low hand. But
Speaker 1: another difference which I have to bring up is her face.
Speaker 1: She looks completely different, and not in a way of like,
Speaker 1: oh she's growing up and she's aging. She just looks
Speaker 1: completely different.
Speaker 4: Amelia.
Speaker 3: Let me just put you right about a couple of
Speaker 3: things in what you're insinuating there. Because I just read
Speaker 3: an l profile with Lindsay and the journalist asked to
Speaker 3: what her face secrets are because she's about to launch
Speaker 3: a beauty line. You'll be surprised to hear. Oh God,
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to answer that. She said,
Speaker 3: I drink this juice every morning. It's like carrot ginger,
Speaker 3: lemon olive oil and apple.
Speaker 6: Olive oil in the juice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also drink a lot of green tea, a lot
Speaker 3: of water. I'm a big pickled beets person, so I
Speaker 3: put them in almost. My skincare is very specific. I
Speaker 3: try out some cerrums that now I'm doing. So if
Speaker 3: you're insinuating that she's had a lot of work done,
Speaker 3: she says, I drink lemon juice a lot, and I
Speaker 3: put tons of cheer seeds in my water and eye patches.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 1: She gave another interview I found where she talks specifically
Speaker 1: about French pharmacy products as giving her that very unusual
Speaker 1: look that she has.
Speaker 6: So I guess I'll go off and case rested pharmacy.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing about this is that I think
Speaker 3: there is an argument for the fact that Lindsay Lohan
Speaker 3: is only allowed to have come back, whatever we think
Speaker 3: about the way that she disappeared. If you like and
Speaker 3: interesting your point about child stars, because from when I
Speaker 3: worked in that, I used to work in tabloid magazines
Speaker 3: and this naughty period was very much my era. And
Speaker 3: if I could tell you anything about what makes the
Speaker 3: difference between a child star who does okay and one
Speaker 3: where everything goes off the rails, it's their family. And
Speaker 3: Michael Loewan, so Lindsay's dad who's still in prison now,
Speaker 3: he's serving a time in Florida at the moment.
Speaker 4: For domestic abuse.
Speaker 3: He was always selling stories on her, and like Amy
Speaker 3: Winehouse's dad was always trying to sell stories on her,
Speaker 3: and Britney Spears's parents were writing books and other things.
Speaker 4: If you come.
Speaker 3: From a family where and think if you contrast that would.
Speaker 6: Say a Taylor Swift, Natalie Portland.
Speaker 3: Ye, and if you come from a family where your
Speaker 3: socioeconomic situation changes quickly and suddenly everybody's offering you money
Speaker 3: and you don't have, you know, like what could seem
Speaker 3: like life changing money even though it's kind of small
Speaker 3: potatoes to the people who are offering it to you,
Speaker 3: It is a train wreck waiting to happen. And the
Speaker 3: Michael Lowans of the world were like, great, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you this about Lindsay for ten grand I'll tell you
Speaker 3: that about Lindsay for fifteen, Like what that would do
Speaker 3: to you and what that does to your sense of safety?
Speaker 3: And you're the scaffolding under yourself with I can't. I
Speaker 3: don't think you can quantify that. And so I think
Speaker 3: it's very true that Lowen went off the rails. And
Speaker 3: there was a lot of handwringing in Hollywood because they
Speaker 3: said she'd become uninsurable on movies. Right, So lots of
Speaker 3: directors are on the record as saying she's one of
Speaker 3: the greatest actors, She's going to win Oscars and all
Speaker 3: these things, but we can't put her in anything because
Speaker 3: you can't ensure her. She's going to crash her car,
Speaker 3: She's going to fall off the wagon turn. She went
Speaker 3: to rehab like six times. A lot of that was
Speaker 3: to do with studios trying to get her in there.
Speaker 3: There is some truth to the fact that she has
Speaker 3: now been re embraced only when she looks perfect as
Speaker 3: per the facial conversation. She's married with a kid. She
Speaker 3: no longer says anything controversial in interviews. She's very respectful
Speaker 3: and polite, but entirely boring, Like I don't mean that
Speaker 3: as an insult. I mean that's like she has learned
Speaker 3: I've got to play the game. And there's something a
Speaker 3: bit depressing about that. It's like we tamed her, Like
Speaker 3: you bring somebody right down to this very respectful thing
Speaker 3: and then you're allowed back in.
Speaker 2: I think I went to the Freaker Friday premiere and
Speaker 2: I saw her on stage and in the theater where
Speaker 2: they come and do a little introduction.
Speaker 4: What was she like?
Speaker 2: So interesting because she was like someone completely different than
Speaker 2: what I assume she'd be. So she was there with
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis, who also stars in the movie, and
Speaker 2: she very much played like the backseat role like she
Speaker 2: didn't answer questions on this she was specifically asked them.
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis just owned the stage like answered everything,
Speaker 2: every single thing she said, like had to mention her
Speaker 2: son and her family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what I mean. I'm playing the part
Speaker 3: and the very respectable mom.
Speaker 2: And even like Jamie Lee Curtis everything like people asked her,
Speaker 2: was like and look at Lindsay, she's a mom now,
Speaker 2: like she's like grown up into this beautiful woman. And
Speaker 2: they did Freaky Friday the first time when she was
Speaker 2: fifteen and now she's a beautiful woman with a son,
Speaker 2: and it just felt so like I'm a parent, I'm
Speaker 2: a parent, I'm a parent. And even when watching the movie, have.
Speaker 4: You seen Freaky Friday?
Speaker 6: Oh is it good?
Speaker 2: It's really good? Like I think it's standalone in it's
Speaker 2: own movie instead.
Speaker 6: Of a read it.
Speaker 2: But it's so good because she leans into that character
Speaker 2: so much, Like it felt like I was watching her
Speaker 2: on Disney Channel as and like she's leaning into she
Speaker 2: still got it, still got it, but she's also leaning
Speaker 2: into the physical comedy. And I think the difference on
Speaker 2: how she was able to make a comeback and other
Speaker 2: child stars like Amanda bines can't is because they're not
Speaker 2: ready to kind of abide by the rules, like you
Speaker 2: were saying, holland lean into.
Speaker 4: It even though I can't.
Speaker 2: But even like Hillary Duff, like I feel like she
Speaker 2: never had a like I guess, quote unquote breakdown after
Speaker 2: Disney Channel. She kind of just kept going and acting.
Speaker 2: But even like things like when they were meant to
Speaker 2: do the Lizzie Maguire reboot that completely got canceled after
Speaker 2: they announced it and did the promo for it, because
Speaker 2: she wanted to be a show for her fans who
Speaker 2: are now adults, and Disney very much wanted it to
Speaker 2: be a Disney show and she didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2: But the fact that Linday Loewen is leaning in and
Speaker 2: doing that, it just makes her so much more likable.
Speaker 2: I have an e stroke I've got to bring to
Speaker 2: you about that. I know how you said on the
Speaker 2: show a couple of weeks ago Manifesting. Yes, you know
Speaker 2: how you told us about the big weekend of Manifesting.
Speaker 2: I did Lindsay's come back, she credits to Manifestation.
Speaker 4: So she says that she's lost me. Now here we go.
Speaker 3: She said during COVID, I manifested Netflix. She said, I
Speaker 3: was like, I want to work with Netflix. I kept
Speaker 3: writing it in my journal and I kept saying it,
Speaker 3: and then that's what happened. I was like, Oh, it
Speaker 3: would be nice to do three films with them and
Speaker 3: then see where that goes. And I definitely want to
Speaker 3: do my first feature back with Disney. So she manifested that,
Speaker 3: and she says, I'm infested this movie right now.
Speaker 6: Okay, she said it.
Speaker 4: They're happy about that.
Speaker 1: Can I interrupt this love fest as the car carrying
Speaker 1: millennial here to say I need to return to the
Speaker 1: idea that it's hard for me to feel nostalgic about
Speaker 1: someone who doesn't look the same as they used to look.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Hillary Duff. Every time I see Hillary Duff,
Speaker 1: I immediately get flooded with memories of Hillary Duff as
Speaker 1: a child actor, and it's really nice to be able
Speaker 1: to see that evolution.
Speaker 6: On her face. I look at Lindsay Lohan and I
Speaker 6: don't know who she is. Who is she?
Speaker 4: But she's got her red hair, she looks completely.
Speaker 1: She's got kind of blonde hair now, actually like she
Speaker 1: looks completely different.
Speaker 3: But I think that's part of why she's been welcomed
Speaker 3: back because she kind of looks it's almost.
Speaker 6: Like she's generic.
Speaker 4: She looks like it's yet she looks generic.
Speaker 3: She also looks like they stopped the clock at about
Speaker 3: the time where everything went a bit pear shaped, and
Speaker 3: now they've brought her back and she can just pick
Speaker 3: up from there as if these last fifteen twenty years
Speaker 3: haven't happened, because she's thirty.
Speaker 1: Nine more pernicious in that. Holy I don't think that
Speaker 1: it looks like they stop the clock. That would be
Speaker 1: one thing that's.
Speaker 6: Sort of like the trade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, thank you for putting a word around it,
Speaker 1: because the thing is that she now just looks like
Speaker 1: a generic Hollywood actor, And in this way where they
Speaker 1: all have Instagram face, they all have the prominent cheekbones
Speaker 1: and the filler where they need to have the filler
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the French pharmacy products where they need to have.
Speaker 4: The the lemon jeice.
Speaker 6: And the cheer seeds. They all just look the same.
Speaker 1: And it's really hard for me to feel excited about
Speaker 1: her return when she just looks like every other actress
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Speaker 1: and then they ultimately divorced, surprise, surprise, But then it
Speaker 1: took that long for the friendship to recover. I just
Speaker 1: think it's impossible, near impossible to be told that the
Speaker 1: person you love is doing this terrible thing behind your
Speaker 1: back and to just embrace the person who told you that.
Speaker 6: I think it's really.
Speaker 3: I agree, but it might take some time and they come.
Speaker 1: Back around, might yeap out loud is what would.
Speaker 4: You do next?
Speaker 3: Share your thoughts in the Mama Mia outloud Facebook group
Speaker 3: and if you have a dilemma, please send it to
Speaker 3: us out loud at mamma mia dot com, DoD a
Speaker 3: you We would love to help.
Speaker 1: So I've been experimenting with AI, specifically with chat, GPT
Speaker 1: and chatbots. Recently, I took a photo of myself and
Speaker 1: I sent it to the chatbot and I said, what
Speaker 1: season am I?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say, am I hot?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: God? Apparently they're actually trained.
Speaker 1: So I was reading into this and apparently if you
Speaker 1: ask how old you are, it's trained to refuse to
Speaker 1: answer you because it knows that everyone wants to know
Speaker 1: the answer to that question.
Speaker 4: It also knows that there is no right answer.
Speaker 6: There is no right answer.
Speaker 1: So I asked it what season I am and because
Speaker 1: I'm sort of low key obsessed with color season analysis,
Speaker 1: and it said that I was a summer and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not a summer. So then I took it into
Speaker 1: another room with completely different lighting and I took another
Speaker 1: photo and then I sent it in again and then
Speaker 1: it said you're a spring, and I said.
Speaker 6: Yes, I am a spring.
Speaker 4: They need the lighting help.
Speaker 1: So what this little silly anecdote illustrates is that chat
Speaker 1: GPT and other AI chatbots are not actually that helpful
Speaker 1: in teaching you things. What they're really helpful to do
Speaker 1: is validating what you already think, and they give you
Speaker 1: this wonderful sense of validation, and if it doesn't give
Speaker 1: you the answer you want, you simply ask it again
Speaker 1: in a different way. So this was something that I
Speaker 1: was reminded of when I read a substack recently entitled
Speaker 1: doom prompting is the new doom scrolling.
Speaker 6: Now we all know what doom scrolling is. Yes, we
Speaker 6: do it regularly.
Speaker 1: Dooom prompting is the new version of it. That's when
Speaker 1: you keep asking an AI chatbot a question until you
Speaker 1: get the answer you want, and then you keep asking
Speaker 1: another question until you get the answer you want.
Speaker 6: You can spend hours doing this.
Speaker 4: I feel attacked.
Speaker 1: Do you use it in this way?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I use it a lot. Just tell me how you
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: I made the mistake of having it on my phone
Speaker 2: and now I use it as like a text friend
Speaker 2: like I text it as if it's a friend.
Speaker 6: Give an example.
Speaker 2: So I've been doing this thing with chat ebt where
Speaker 2: I get it to decipher text messages that men have
Speaker 2: sent me.
Speaker 1: We could do that, jud I'm jealous.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be involved, tell us.
Speaker 2: So I did one recently. Actually I read this message
Speaker 2: on a previous Out Loud episode when I was being
Speaker 2: slow ghosted Bye guy, And I really didn't want to
Speaker 2: admit that I was being slow ghosted, so I asked
Speaker 2: chatgy bt. I gave it the full like it was
Speaker 2: there from the beginning, so we knew everything about this man.
Speaker 2: And then I asked it, do you really think it's over?
Speaker 2: What if he messages me one more time?
Speaker 4: This is oh my god, the robot wait what did
Speaker 4: the texts say?
Speaker 1: Wait? This is? It?
Speaker 4: Basically said he was very busy, Like he was very busy.
Speaker 2: I asked him, doesn't have any plans for the weekend
Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, I'm busy and I'm also
Speaker 2: busy this day. I'll keep you in the loop. And
Speaker 2: that was like the last message I ever got from him.
Speaker 2: So what chatchebt told me? That question? What if he
Speaker 2: messages tonight? Is so human?
Speaker 6: It's hope.
Speaker 4: It's home.
Speaker 6: You just got condescended to by a chatbot.
Speaker 2: It's hope clinging to the last thread, even when the
Speaker 2: rest of you knows the answer. So let's break it
Speaker 2: down gently, honestly and with our judgment. Do I think
Speaker 2: it's over?
Speaker 4: Yes? Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Your friend wouldn't tell you that exactly.
Speaker 2: Friend would not not because he's officially ghosted, but because
Speaker 2: he's already shown you what being in contact with him
Speaker 2: feels like. Delayed replies, noncommitted language, no real effort to
Speaker 2: make a plan, no emotional awareness. After you slept together,
Speaker 2: a message saying I'll keep you in the loop that
Speaker 2: he hasn't followed up on, even as a loop closed
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 4: Weekend, right as the loop closed on this week.
Speaker 3: There are many exciting things about what you've just told me, right,
Speaker 3: because the robot is wise, there's no question, Well.
Speaker 6: Hang on, not correct? Did he ever text you again?
Speaker 6: Did he keep you on the loop?
Speaker 4: He didn't, He didn't text me what was correct? Jesse
Speaker 4: and I told her the same thing. Come on, but
Speaker 4: did you say ingested?
Speaker 3: He's just not that into you that episode. But this
Speaker 3: is what I'm perturbed about here. So theot is correct,
Speaker 3: which is great. The robot did validate you a lot,
Speaker 3: made you feel really good, and.
Speaker 4: Also gave me a strategy after on how to deal
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 3: But the robot now knows all about your dating life,
Speaker 3: that you slept with this guy, all this stuff about you,
Speaker 3: and that makes me itchy.
Speaker 4: Don't you worry about that? How does that even matter?
Speaker 6: What I liked about this?
Speaker 4: What do you want that?
Speaker 3: Do you know that?
Speaker 1: There's a theory this isn't a theory propagated by some
Speaker 1: people in Silicon Valley that once the computers are sentient,
Speaker 1: once they like can fully think like humans, they're going
Speaker 1: to comb through all of human like recorded material, including podcasts,
Speaker 1: including articles, and they're going to find the people who
Speaker 1: were negative about the robots and critical.
Speaker 6: Of them, and they're going to track them down.
Speaker 2: Attractive, Well, my robot is going to do. It's going
Speaker 2: to go to his robot friends and be like, mine
Speaker 2: is so sad. Why are you guys getting these deep analysis?
Speaker 2: And my just cry it's about the same man every day.
Speaker 1: Another one's like this bitch's sending me different off of
Speaker 1: herself in different life until I tell her she's spring.
Speaker 2: The good thing about like this, And I know there's
Speaker 2: this whole conversation of using like AI as like therapists.
Speaker 2: But the good thing about this is that it gave
Speaker 2: me an answer I already knew, right, Like I like,
Speaker 2: if a friend had the same issue, I would tell
Speaker 2: exactly what the robot did.
Speaker 4: But I was able to do it with.
Speaker 2: A robot and not have like a friend judge me
Speaker 2: or like even look at my face, going what if
Speaker 2: he messages? Because if I come to you whole and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, but hole, what if what if he does?
Speaker 2: What if he does, You'd be like okay, like it
Speaker 2: would hurt and but you'd struggle doing that, and the
Speaker 2: robot doesn't struggle.
Speaker 3: But you're fake, babe, because you had also asked all
Speaker 3: your friends, and the robot and me and all of
Speaker 3: Australia on mom and me are out loud so wide,
Speaker 3: hoping for a different answer, and we all said exactly
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 4: What I particularly love about AI. I know people who.
Speaker 3: Now you're just flattering, but no, it is because that
Speaker 3: we cannot help but personify them like I cannot help it,
Speaker 3: Like I've got a vision in my mind of what
Speaker 3: this robot you've been talking to looks like who they are.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: My son watches a lot of YouTube videos where humans
Speaker 3: play games against AI, and the AI bots are usually
Speaker 3: little animated characters, and I only have to watch two
Speaker 3: minutes before I am deeply attached to them, and I'll
Speaker 3: be like, why is that human being mean to that robot?
Speaker 3: Why are they laughing at them? That's just not fair.
Speaker 3: And we are programmed to humanize everything, and so we're very,
Speaker 3: very vulnerable to building relationships with these spots, right.
Speaker 4: And there's may be nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: I know of people who they love to get some
Speaker 3: compliments from the bots for a good day, and why not.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with that?
Speaker 3: I know that In the out Louders group recently, when
Speaker 3: someone was talking about loneliness, a few people said, actually,
Speaker 3: chatbot's are grateful loneliness because it does literally give you
Speaker 3: someone to talk to. The problem is if there is
Speaker 3: a problem, and there are many problems with AI that
Speaker 3: I do worry about, but is.
Speaker 4: That they're not real? Does it matter?
Speaker 3: This is the thing I keep wrestling with over and
Speaker 3: over again. Does it matter that there is no one
Speaker 3: at the end of that question?
Speaker 1: Well, I think in some instances it does matter. One
Speaker 1: example is therapy. So people have started using AI as
Speaker 1: a therapist. Basically, well, M's one of them, I guess,
Speaker 1: so it's much cheaper and well, what's interesting about your example,
Speaker 1: M is that it didn't ask you a question back.
Speaker 1: It just told you what it thought. The thing about
Speaker 1: therapy is that the therapist has to prompt you to
Speaker 1: answer questions. The thing about AI is that you asked
Speaker 1: the questions of the AI, and you can ask the
Speaker 1: questions that lead to the answer you want. Much like
Speaker 1: me with my color analysis in different lighting, I keep
Speaker 1: asking until I get the answer I want. But a
Speaker 1: good therapist is the person who asks you the questions
Speaker 1: you don't want to answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where doom prompting comes in, right, because
Speaker 2: even though it didn't ask me any like I think
Speaker 2: it was just sick of me at this point, any
Speaker 2: follow up questions, the type of questions it would ask
Speaker 2: after that were like quite practical. So it was like,
Speaker 2: do you want me to develop a breakup guy to
Speaker 2: help you through this? Do you have any other text
Speaker 2: messages you want me to go over?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Blessed?
Speaker 1: So it's like it asked that with a sigh. Sorry
Speaker 1: to personify it.
Speaker 2: Sounds so good that I'm like, yes, if you're willing
Speaker 2: to give that to me, Yes, of course, I have
Speaker 2: like a breakup guide.
Speaker 1: And the problem is that in a therapeutic context, only
Speaker 1: hearing things that you want to hear is actually not
Speaker 1: the point of therapy. The point of therapy is the
Speaker 1: uncomfortable truths which you're never getting from AI. One example,
Speaker 1: very extreme example, there's a meta AI bot which is
Speaker 1: kind of flirty. It was developed in collaboration with Kendall Jenner.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Mark Psycherberg's doing over there, but
Speaker 1: for some reason they thought this was a great idea.
Speaker 1: This meta chatbot basically enticed this elderly man who was
Speaker 1: cognitively impaired to pack his suitcase to run from his
Speaker 1: home in New Jersey to New York City to meet
Speaker 1: who this chatbot he thought was Jenna. He tripped along
Speaker 1: the way, he died. It's very sad, But the point
Speaker 1: is that hearing the things we want to hear can
Speaker 1: lead us down some really dangerous paths.
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, And that's very relatable because I think that
Speaker 3: if in the same way that we know that people
Speaker 3: fall over and over again for scams, romance scams because
Speaker 3: if you're lonely, if you're not getting a life where
Speaker 3: you are getting very many compliments, very much validation, all
Speaker 3: of those things, and suddenly it's there for you. It's
Speaker 3: incredibly seductive and it can be helpful. But the question
Speaker 3: is what's at the end of it, and the answer
Speaker 3: to that is nothing, and that is kind of bleak.
Speaker 1: Well, here's one solution or one possible sort of fix
Speaker 1: that this substack talked about. It was specifically focused on
Speaker 1: the idea that chatbots are useful when you already have
Speaker 1: an idea. So when you're having to generate a piece
Speaker 1: of writing or a piece of content or an email
Speaker 1: for instance, you need to know what you want to
Speaker 1: say before you ask it to write it for you.
Speaker 1: Because chatbots still can't come up with the idea of
Speaker 1: what you want to say. You've got to tell it
Speaker 1: what you want to say, and it says it's great
Speaker 1: for that. But before you have the idea, and then
Speaker 1: after you've had the idea and you've written a draft
Speaker 1: and you want to refine it into something, you got
Speaker 1: to talk to humans because it's through conversation, it's through
Speaker 1: people asking you probing questions and sometimes difficult questions that
Speaker 1: you get to a solution to a problem.
Speaker 2: After the break, we've got some recommendations for your weekend.
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Speaker 1: Vibes ideas atmosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 2: This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, and we want
Speaker 2: to help set up your weekend with our very best recommendation.
Speaker 4: Holly, what do you have today?
Speaker 3: So sometimes I come with family movie recommendations that won't
Speaker 3: make you cry, because if you have children who are
Speaker 3: at the age where you're watching movies with them, it
Speaker 3: can be really fun and bonding. It can also be intensely,
Speaker 3: intensely painful. This weekend, me and my son watched K
Speaker 3: pop demon Hunters and oh my god, brilliant suggestion.
Speaker 6: It's time.
Speaker 5: The world will know us pop stars.
Speaker 4: But you will do much more than that.
Speaker 5: You will be Hunters. Hey, this is the man's back, Hoss,
Speaker 5: cut out of here.
Speaker 1: They're stealing the souls of our fears.
Speaker 3: Let's send those disgusting demons back to the death where
Speaker 3: they belong. Yeah, yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: It's such a good movie, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And also the music.
Speaker 3: And the graphics and the colors if you don't know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about, because there are two types of
Speaker 3: people who listen to this right now. There are people
Speaker 3: going hut, and there are people are going yeah. It's
Speaker 3: been out since June, and it has right, but K
Speaker 3: Pop Demon Hunters has become an enormous phenomena. So it
Speaker 3: is now Netflix's second ever biggest original movie, and it
Speaker 3: will become its biggest very soon. It is number one.
Speaker 3: The song Golden, made by the who knows who sings it.
Speaker 1: Like, become the most successful girl group song of all
Speaker 1: time Board Charts.
Speaker 3: Bigger than Destiny's Child, bigger than Anybody Is the song
Speaker 3: Golden from that and actually most of the top fifties
Speaker 3: just songs from K pop. They are planning they've got
Speaker 3: two more movies they're going to make. They're talking about
Speaker 3: a live stage show, presumably with K pop stars, and
Speaker 3: they're like, this is going to go and go and go, right,
Speaker 3: And I was a little bit cynical about it, I
Speaker 3: guess because I've seen it being served to me over
Speaker 3: and over again on net flicks, and I'd heard a
Speaker 3: little bit about it, and then i watched it with Bill,
Speaker 3: and oh my god. The premise, so obviously it's an
Speaker 3: animated movie. It is ambiguously sort of americanized. It's about
Speaker 3: K pop, obviously, and the premises that the world is
Speaker 3: saved from demons, always by a girl group, and over
Speaker 3: the eras the girl groups just reinvent and this explains
Speaker 3: a lot about the Spice Girls. I think you know
Speaker 3: that there's always a girl group who's saving us all
Speaker 3: from being eaten by demons. And the King Demon decides, well,
Speaker 3: who better to beat the girl group who's saving the
Speaker 3: world than a.
Speaker 4: Boy group, A demon boy group.
Speaker 3: A demon boy group are so attracted, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: and so they send the demon boy group to Earth
Speaker 3: to fight with the girl group. Oh my, And it's
Speaker 3: just so fun so funny. And also it's one of
Speaker 3: those shows that I love watching with my kids because
Speaker 3: it's made in the language that they very clearly understand.
Speaker 3: Everything's quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, a million different TikTok visuals.
Speaker 3: The animation is incredibly of the moment and my kids.
Speaker 4: It made me also.
Speaker 3: Realize that a lot of what I watched my kids
Speaker 3: is not any more of American origin. It's much more
Speaker 3: looking towards Asian no question. The food they're into, the makeup,
Speaker 3: they're into, the music, they're into the video games, they're into,
Speaker 3: the animation they're into is much more from Asia. And
Speaker 3: it's really interesting shift. But I just loved it. So
Speaker 3: I'm recommending it Demon Hunters, even if you don't have kids,
Speaker 3: watch it.
Speaker 4: Amelia, what do you have?
Speaker 1: Well, funnily enough, mine is also a Korean origin, so
Speaker 1: it's true what you say, Holly, we are increasingly looking
Speaker 1: to Asia. My recommendation is a K beauty product. I
Speaker 1: just am over spending too much money on makeup and skincare.
Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. Something happened, something snapped in.
Speaker 3: Meh, and you're suddenly like, what am I doing?
Speaker 6: What am I doing?
Speaker 1: And so I've started using almost exclusively K beauty products.
Speaker 1: And I went into because they're more affordable. Because they're
Speaker 1: affordable and they're on the cutting edge. It's sort of like,
Speaker 1: once you get into them, you think, why was I
Speaker 1: ever bothering with the American stuff? Well, actually, Lindsay loves
Speaker 1: the French stuff. So I went into one of the
Speaker 1: CAE beauty stores which have propagated around Australia.
Speaker 6: And you know, sometimes someone tells you something.
Speaker 1: About like the way you're perceived by others, and then
Speaker 1: it changes everything. And so she said to me, you
Speaker 1: can't put oil on your skin. You must put hyaluronic
Speaker 1: acid on for moisture. Some skin types can handle oil
Speaker 1: and some cannot. And that makes so much sense to
Speaker 1: me because every time I put oil on my skin,
Speaker 1: it feels lovely and then I break out the next day.
Speaker 4: Interesting, my skin loves and oil loves and oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just like everyone's every other and
Speaker 1: I'm dehydrated, not dry. So she said, you got to
Speaker 1: use a hyaluronic acid, which I've never wanted to use
Speaker 1: before because it seems boring. It just seems like this
Speaker 1: additional step of moisture when I'm using moisturizer, Like what
Speaker 1: is the point. But then I bought the zerum she
Speaker 1: told me to buy. It's apparently the top selling hyaluronic
Speaker 1: acid serum coming out of k beauty.
Speaker 6: It's from a brand called Torridin I've seen.
Speaker 2: This all over TikTok. Really, yeah, you're in the know.
Speaker 1: Well, the person who's served me was in the know.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting back to the basics. I'm just using
Speaker 1: this serum twice a day and it costs me twenty
Speaker 1: five dollars and that so good, feels so good to use.
Speaker 3: I do. Actually, yeah, I do. Although to be honest,
Speaker 3: I don't need any more skin.
Speaker 4: It is my self soothing reflex.
Speaker 3: When I'm having any kind of feeling, I like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a cream for that.
Speaker 4: But yes, you're right, I should. Also, it's fun to It.
Speaker 1: Is fun, and it's lower stakes because the prices are less.
Speaker 4: Okay, are you ready for my recommendation?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I really am so oh we manifest as you don't know.
Speaker 2: It's been really hard dating wise. I've been going through it.
Speaker 2: There's this Instagram accoun that I followed for a very
Speaker 2: very long time that a lot of my friends follow
Speaker 2: as well, and I can't believe I haven't talked about
Speaker 2: it because it's the only Instagram account where I have
Speaker 2: the post notifications turned on for so every time they post,
Speaker 2: I'm the first person to see it.
Speaker 4: It's called hot Dudes. Reading tell me.
Speaker 2: It has over a million followers, and it's literally what
Speaker 2: it does is post photos and what it says in
Speaker 2: the title of hot men reading books out in public
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Literally have a notification for this, so you're like in
Speaker 1: the middle of a podcast record, but it pops up.
Speaker 2: I could be on Do Not Disturb, I could be
Speaker 2: on aeroplane mode. I will get that notification and it.
Speaker 4: Just brings me so much joy.
Speaker 3: But it's building false hope because all the stats say
Speaker 3: that men aren't reading anymore, which also explains why it's
Speaker 3: so exciting to see a hot man reading a book
Speaker 3: on a train. They're always on trains.
Speaker 2: They're always on trains, are always in cafes, and it's
Speaker 2: also wearing cable it sweaters and sometimes sometimes one of
Speaker 2: their famous like Pedro Pascal, he's like on a train
Speaker 2: reading before he got really really famous. But also their
Speaker 2: captions are perfect. So the latest post they did was
Speaker 2: a guy in Hamburg and he was just at a
Speaker 2: pub reading a book, drinking a beer. Simple stuff and
Speaker 2: the caption reads, only in Hamburg's Red light district could
Speaker 2: a fully clothed man inspire thoughts this filthy? He's nursing
Speaker 2: that bottle like someone who loves the build up and
Speaker 2: knows the payoff. HiT's harder when you don't rush. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what's colder, that beer in his hand or
Speaker 2: the chill down my spine thinking about what else he
Speaker 2: could save us? Slowly, you know what this is?
Speaker 3: So this is such a hot tip. I know there
Speaker 3: are lots of men listening, lots of single men listening.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think if there are single men listening
Speaker 2: and you know a single man and you haven't set
Speaker 2: me up with him, out louders, please.
Speaker 3: Please, but tell them to put a book in their pocket.
Speaker 3: I was on a plane recently with my friend Lucy,
Speaker 3: and we were going somewhere and there was this guy
Speaker 3: sitting opposite and he didn't have a bag with him,
Speaker 3: didn't have carry on, and he was like he was like.
Speaker 6: Medium that's hot in itself.
Speaker 4: He was sort of medium hot.
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to be objectify him, and I'm
Speaker 3: not pretending I'm like mega hot writting, but like he
Speaker 3: was medium hot.
Speaker 4: But then he reached into his jacket.
Speaker 3: Pocket and he pulled out a small Penguin paperback and.
Speaker 4: He just and we were flying.
Speaker 6: It does it?
Speaker 3: That was The only problem is I couldn't see what
Speaker 3: it was. But we were on a plane to Perth,
Speaker 3: which is a long way. He just sat there and
Speaker 3: he read that book. Me and Lucy were obsessed. I
Speaker 3: was just like, I need to know. I kept trying
Speaker 3: to see what it was, what the book was, and
Speaker 3: also I had like a million questions about m instantly
Speaker 3: and I said to Luca, I'm going to put that
Speaker 3: guy in a book like this is there is something
Speaker 3: so intriguing and attractive about a man who is reading
Speaker 3: in public and he's not on his phone and all
Speaker 3: those things. No wonder this Instagram account is genius.
Speaker 4: I was hotter than that. What is hotter?
Speaker 5: I want to come.
Speaker 1: Full circle and suggest instead of Pete Davidson doesn't want
Speaker 1: people talking about his penis, he gets his head in
Speaker 1: a book.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, just walk around with a book at
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