WEBVTT - A Tiny Violin For A Well-Endowed Man 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.341 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:18.901 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:20.902 --> 0:00:22.981 Hello and welcome to Momma Mia. 0:00:23.061 --> 0:00:23.502 Out loud. 0:00:23.542 --> 0:00:26.101 What women are actually talking about on Friday the twenty 0:00:26.182 --> 0:00:27.142 second of August. 0:00:27.462 --> 0:00:31.501 I'm hollywayin right, I'm Amelia Lester, and I'm a Burnham. 0:00:31.822 --> 0:00:33.501 We've got a bit of a different Friday line up 0:00:33.542 --> 0:00:36.782 today because our Jesse Stevens is away. Here's what made 0:00:36.862 --> 0:00:42.062 our agenda for today is Lindsay Loewen's comeback healing or 0:00:42.062 --> 0:00:44.502 an example of having to get back in line to 0:00:44.582 --> 0:00:45.822 get back in Hollywood. 0:00:46.862 --> 0:00:50.462 The first thing I've read about AI which actually teaches 0:00:50.542 --> 0:00:52.781 me how to use chatbots properly. 0:00:53.222 --> 0:00:56.702 And a juicy face product, a viral animated film, and 0:00:56.742 --> 0:00:59.702 an Instagram account that reads as a big cry for help. 0:00:59.862 --> 0:01:01.462 It's our Friday recommendations. 0:01:01.902 --> 0:01:05.982 But first, I don't want to victimize myself in any 0:01:06.021 --> 0:01:10.142 way because I'm cool, but like the sexualization of me, 0:01:11.102 --> 0:01:14.582 like if that was a girl, you know, like people 0:01:14.582 --> 0:01:18.342 will be like there'll be a march for it, Like 0:01:18.462 --> 0:01:23.182 you just seriously, you're just talking about my dick all day. 0:01:23.982 --> 0:01:27.622 So Pete Michael Davidson is a really big comunian in 0:01:27.662 --> 0:01:30.582 the US. He got really famous when he was on SNL, 0:01:30.622 --> 0:01:33.182 started as a writer, then became a performer, and he's 0:01:33.222 --> 0:01:37.702 also known for just dating really famous A list women. 0:01:38.102 --> 0:01:40.982 He recently went on the Breakfast Club radio show and 0:01:41.102 --> 0:01:45.262 was asked about the rumors surrounding his penis size, and 0:01:45.302 --> 0:01:47.302 he said that it isn't fun to be known for 0:01:47.502 --> 0:01:50.422 quote banging a lot of hot chicks and having a 0:01:50.422 --> 0:01:52.262 ten inch penis. 0:01:52.462 --> 0:01:55.142 He is literally the man responsible for the phrase big 0:01:55.182 --> 0:01:58.542 dick energy. Right Yese is dating Ariana Grande. 0:01:58.702 --> 0:02:00.902 Ariana Grande, So I went into a deep dive of 0:02:00.942 --> 0:02:04.622 where this rumor started, and it did start with Ariana Grande, 0:02:04.702 --> 0:02:08.142 who was his girlfriend at the time. She tweeted that 0:02:08.302 --> 0:02:10.381 he had a ten inch penis. 0:02:10.422 --> 0:02:14.302 But as he points out in this interview to Ariana Grande. 0:02:14.222 --> 0:02:18.062 Everything looks enormous has really little. 0:02:20.422 --> 0:02:24.022 The BDE around people I feel dirty for last year. Okay, 0:02:24.142 --> 0:02:24.702 the bd. 0:02:24.622 --> 0:02:25.902 Around me, it's really hurtful. 0:02:25.942 --> 0:02:30.062 Holly, come on, it's really it's really hard for Pete. No, 0:02:30.102 --> 0:02:33.542 it is really hard. So it started with Ariana Grande. 0:02:33.662 --> 0:02:36.582 It kind of continued as he started dating a lot 0:02:36.582 --> 0:02:40.901 of famous women in Hollywood. Kim Kardashian was asked how 0:02:40.942 --> 0:02:43.142 they kind of met together and how they started dating, 0:02:43.181 --> 0:02:45.062 and she said, I had to get amongst this bde. 0:02:45.181 --> 0:02:48.262 I heard so much about it. It's been really perpetuated 0:02:48.382 --> 0:02:51.902 by the women he dates. And in that comedy special, 0:02:51.982 --> 0:02:54.382 similar to what you said, Amelia in twenty twenty, he 0:02:54.462 --> 0:02:57.862 talked about how he hated that Ariyana started that, how 0:02:57.902 --> 0:03:00.942 she tweeted that. The tweet immediately got deleted. But that's 0:03:00.982 --> 0:03:03.102 kind of where it blew up, and that's all everyone 0:03:03.222 --> 0:03:06.422 talks about, either him and who's dating or his penis. 0:03:06.502 --> 0:03:09.341 Well, because it also there was a phase it seemed 0:03:09.342 --> 0:03:13.222 like he was dating everybody right, like every woman in Hollywood, 0:03:13.502 --> 0:03:14.222 every very hot. 0:03:14.342 --> 0:03:16.422 I mean, it's become a punchline. 0:03:16.022 --> 0:03:17.622 Plain women in Hollywood. 0:03:18.181 --> 0:03:21.262 But he's become a punchline. You'll often see women saying 0:03:21.262 --> 0:03:23.542 after the divorce, I'll be dating Pete Davidson next. Like 0:03:23.582 --> 0:03:26.622 he has become a joke, So I understand why that 0:03:26.662 --> 0:03:27.622 would be annoying. 0:03:28.222 --> 0:03:28.942 What do we think. 0:03:28.822 --> 0:03:31.302 About is if I was a girl, they'd be marching 0:03:31.382 --> 0:03:33.022 for this ship line. 0:03:34.342 --> 0:03:37.542 I mean, I guess he's got a point because think 0:03:37.582 --> 0:03:41.382 about how odd it would be for let's say, Pierce 0:03:41.422 --> 0:03:44.702 Brosnan to be talking about someone he dated having a 0:03:45.302 --> 0:03:47.782 I mean, the mind boggles. 0:03:48.262 --> 0:03:49.902 There is vagina? Is is that? 0:03:49.942 --> 0:03:53.662 What? There is a parallel because I had thought about 0:03:53.662 --> 0:03:58.102 this with Jessica Simpson right so famously, when Jessica Simpson 0:03:58.182 --> 0:04:01.022 was in a long on off situationship with John Mayer, 0:04:01.622 --> 0:04:04.822 he went on podcasts and called her sexual napalm. He 0:04:04.862 --> 0:04:06.982 said he wanted to pitch a tent on her vagina. 0:04:07.342 --> 0:04:07.502 Right. 0:04:08.102 --> 0:04:11.902 I guess he thought he was paying her compliments if 0:04:11.942 --> 0:04:14.822 he was thinking at all. And Jessica Simpson since has 0:04:14.862 --> 0:04:17.902 talked a lot about that and saying it was mortifying 0:04:18.101 --> 0:04:20.741 because everybody's like, oh, well, that'd be great, right for 0:04:20.782 --> 0:04:22.662 the world to know how good in bed you are 0:04:22.782 --> 0:04:25.301 and how you're addictive. And I think he said something like, 0:04:25.342 --> 0:04:27.461 you know, I couldn't give it up if I wanted to. 0:04:27.462 --> 0:04:28.942 I want to pitch a tent on a vaginal or 0:04:28.941 --> 0:04:33.462 whatever he said, and she said it was objectifying, devastating 0:04:33.621 --> 0:04:36.741 because it might sound like a compliment, but it's just 0:04:36.861 --> 0:04:40.581 absolutely sexualizing you to the world. And I guess that's 0:04:40.621 --> 0:04:42.581 what Pete Davidson also thinks, right. 0:04:42.462 --> 0:04:44.941 Are we allowed to run with it if the initial 0:04:44.981 --> 0:04:47.822 comment came from that person's partner, like, does that give 0:04:47.861 --> 0:04:48.862 us an excuse to them? 0:04:48.902 --> 0:04:51.741 I take it and make it speaker versus if it 0:04:51.782 --> 0:04:52.022 was just. 0:04:51.981 --> 0:04:53.222 A random, brilliant point. 0:04:53.342 --> 0:04:56.861 Because another person in Hollywood who people say this about 0:04:57.022 --> 0:05:00.222 is John Hamm, and there's a very famous photo of 0:05:00.301 --> 0:05:03.902 John Hamm where it is said to be proven that 0:05:03.941 --> 0:05:06.501 he is this well and doubt. But what's interesting is 0:05:06.861 --> 0:05:10.302 John Hamm's partners. He has had your Partner's and Pete 0:05:10.342 --> 0:05:12.821 Davison in the public eye, but neither of his partners 0:05:12.821 --> 0:05:15.101 who have been in the public eye has spoken out 0:05:15.181 --> 0:05:17.902 to verify this rumor or to deny it. 0:05:18.222 --> 0:05:20.781 I was completely on his side this whole time, because 0:05:20.782 --> 0:05:22.782 I do think some of the comments that have I've 0:05:22.782 --> 0:05:26.981 seen on the internet personally are so degrading and so harmful. 0:05:27.421 --> 0:05:29.941 But what really irks me is that if the roles 0:05:29.981 --> 0:05:33.101 were reversed argument, because I think that makes it even 0:05:33.181 --> 0:05:37.701 more harmful. Because he's dated Kimkardashian, he's dated Emily Radikowski. 0:05:37.861 --> 0:05:40.582 No one's having marches for them, and people sexualize them 0:05:40.582 --> 0:05:41.501 every single day. 0:05:41.501 --> 0:05:42.582 Absolutely true. 0:05:42.861 --> 0:05:45.902 I think what's irritating for whether you're him or whether 0:05:45.902 --> 0:05:49.061 you are Jessica Simpson, is that he wants people to 0:05:49.101 --> 0:05:51.301 talk about his comedy and he wants people to talk 0:05:51.301 --> 0:05:53.742 about his art, and all people ever want to talk 0:05:53.782 --> 0:05:56.702 about is the fact that apparently it's fine to talk 0:05:56.702 --> 0:06:00.262 about his penis, and that must get old, even if 0:06:00.262 --> 0:06:03.742 you're very, very proud of your penis. Let's do a 0:06:03.782 --> 0:06:08.662 little time traveling. Is there anything more quintessentially naughties than 0:06:08.702 --> 0:06:11.022 the photographs? And I'm sure you know the ones of 0:06:11.061 --> 0:06:13.821 which I speak of. Lindsay Lohan at a Hollywood beach 0:06:13.902 --> 0:06:17.342 party circa about two thousand and seven, posing in a 0:06:17.381 --> 0:06:21.302 bikini with an alcohol monitoring bracelet on her ankle that the. 0:06:21.262 --> 0:06:24.301 Court ordered her away. Was she and Adelby's muse. 0:06:24.621 --> 0:06:28.622 Yes, clearly this was so much a moment that at 0:06:28.662 --> 0:06:31.302 the time she tweeted, because that was also a thing 0:06:31.301 --> 0:06:34.621 in those days, at Chanelle, please help me out getting 0:06:34.621 --> 0:06:37.101 some stickers to put on my scram bracelet, which is 0:06:37.541 --> 0:06:40.261 the monitoring bracelet around her ankle, so I can at 0:06:40.342 --> 0:06:43.821 least wear a sheet dress, maybe kiss like it was 0:06:43.861 --> 0:06:48.022 a big thing, all right. At that time, Lindsay Lohan 0:06:48.421 --> 0:06:52.941 had become largely a punchline, right, speaking of celebrity punchlines, 0:06:53.022 --> 0:06:55.461 that sounds like the name of a podcast celebrity Punchlines 0:06:55.541 --> 0:06:56.101 or a game show. 0:06:56.101 --> 0:06:57.342 Oh my god, trademark that, yeah. 0:06:57.381 --> 0:07:00.261 Immediately, because she'd started out, as we all would know, 0:07:00.342 --> 0:07:03.541 as a very promising child actor, and people would say, 0:07:03.541 --> 0:07:05.661 I've never seen talent like it, so on and so forth. 0:07:05.941 --> 0:07:09.301 She famously went to use a very overworked euphemism off 0:07:09.342 --> 0:07:13.902 the rails, and by the turn of the twenty tens, 0:07:14.142 --> 0:07:16.821 she was more famous for her mugshots than she was 0:07:16.902 --> 0:07:19.182 for her work. In fact, when I was looking at 0:07:19.182 --> 0:07:21.422 this today, I found this article from The Cut in 0:07:21.502 --> 0:07:26.021 twenty thirteen. The headline was Lindsay Lohan's new mugshot is 0:07:26.062 --> 0:07:29.142 her best one yet, and it read written by more 0:07:29.182 --> 0:07:32.542 In O'Connor, thank you, Lindsay Lohan's new mugshot is out 0:07:32.582 --> 0:07:35.942 and it's her best one yet. After accepting a plea 0:07:35.982 --> 0:07:38.941 deal that will cry a rehab, community service, and probation 0:07:39.062 --> 0:07:42.022 for reckless driving and lying to the police, Loan posed 0:07:42.062 --> 0:07:46.582 for her sixth booking photo, working winged eyeliner and an 0:07:46.622 --> 0:07:49.941 expression that conveys boredom with a hint of mischief. This 0:07:49.982 --> 0:07:51.422 is how we were talking about Lohan. 0:07:51.462 --> 0:07:54.382 By this, the most dated reference there is Winged I 0:07:55.582 --> 0:07:57.381 that's how you date it to twenty thirteen. 0:07:57.862 --> 0:08:01.222 Now she was being arrested for, among other things, dui 0:08:01.342 --> 0:08:04.701 cocaine possession, assault over a period of time. It was 0:08:04.862 --> 0:08:07.782 a very chaotic time. That's how we all experienced her. 0:08:08.102 --> 0:08:11.701 Precociously talented young actress who had to retreat from Hollywood 0:08:12.222 --> 0:08:16.222 until now. Her comeback started with the straight to Netflix 0:08:16.302 --> 0:08:19.542 rom com. She did three of those, and now Disney 0:08:19.702 --> 0:08:22.542 have backed her with this sequel to Freaky Friday called 0:08:22.622 --> 0:08:25.461 Freaky Friday. I was part of those Lindsay Low and 0:08:25.502 --> 0:08:28.102 meltdown years from the evil position of being one of 0:08:28.142 --> 0:08:30.062 the people who was putting her on the cover of magazines. 0:08:30.102 --> 0:08:33.662 But how was your relationship with Lohan? Because she's a 0:08:33.702 --> 0:08:36.102 millennial icon, right, and I've got a millennial here and 0:08:36.222 --> 0:08:37.062 a jen Z here. 0:08:37.542 --> 0:08:41.222 I knew Lindsay Low and when she was a bit older, 0:08:41.422 --> 0:08:45.622 still a massive, massive Disney star like Confessions of a 0:08:45.662 --> 0:08:49.022 teenage Drahma Crean. I had that on DBD Herbie fully 0:08:49.022 --> 0:08:51.662 loaded Parent Trap. I think I was I watched that 0:08:51.782 --> 0:08:53.381 a bit later in life because I came out in 0:08:53.462 --> 0:08:55.982 nineteen ninety eight and I was born ninety ninety six. 0:08:56.382 --> 0:08:59.782 And then when she disappeared off Disney and then started 0:08:59.782 --> 0:09:03.702 to appear in the media that my mom consumed. I 0:09:03.782 --> 0:09:07.742 remember my mom actually having a conversation with me, going, 0:09:08.542 --> 0:09:11.662 I don't think you should watch anything with Linday Lohan anymore, 0:09:12.102 --> 0:09:13.982 because obviously something was happening. And then I would like 0:09:14.022 --> 0:09:16.422 see the magazines like Who magazine that my mum was reading, 0:09:16.702 --> 0:09:18.942 and I just see these photos of Lindsay Lowan, who 0:09:18.942 --> 0:09:20.942 didn't even look like the Lindsay low and I knew, 0:09:21.542 --> 0:09:23.742 just do you remember those courtroom photos of her just 0:09:23.862 --> 0:09:26.542 crying and like holding onto her lawyer's arm and like 0:09:26.582 --> 0:09:29.261 pleading with her. I remember those stuck in my head, 0:09:29.302 --> 0:09:32.222 and I was so so young. And then it's like 0:09:32.262 --> 0:09:34.222 I literally just like blanked her off my slate and 0:09:34.262 --> 0:09:37.382 didn't hear anything about her until recently. 0:09:37.622 --> 0:09:38.022 Emelia. 0:09:38.062 --> 0:09:41.102 I want to ask you about the comeback right because 0:09:41.222 --> 0:09:42.982 I was reading a piece, which is what I wanted 0:09:42.982 --> 0:09:46.102 to talk about today in Glamor magazine that said it 0:09:46.102 --> 0:09:49.582 was headline while Lindsay Lowen's comeback is surprisingly healing, and 0:09:49.622 --> 0:09:51.902 it put forward the argument that I think we're all 0:09:51.902 --> 0:09:55.062 pretty familiar with that millennial celebrities. We were awful to them, 0:09:55.302 --> 0:09:57.142 and when I say we, I mean not you guys. 0:09:57.222 --> 0:09:58.062 I actually was. 0:09:58.102 --> 0:10:01.502 But like the media was awful to them, we hounded them. 0:10:01.662 --> 0:10:06.422 The paparazzi was absolutely unstoppable. It was sport right getting 0:10:06.422 --> 0:10:08.302 a picture of Lindsay Lohan and falling out of a 0:10:08.382 --> 0:10:10.942 car or crying in the dock and court or whatever 0:10:11.222 --> 0:10:14.822 was sport. In this article, Stephanie McNeil wrote, as I 0:10:14.862 --> 0:10:18.862 watched Lindsay and Freaky of Friday, one thought continually crossed 0:10:18.862 --> 0:10:23.102 my mind. Nature is healing, or perhaps millennial girlhood is healing. 0:10:23.622 --> 0:10:25.982 Sure the world has welcomed her back with open arms, 0:10:25.982 --> 0:10:28.662 but only once she vanished for years and returned as 0:10:28.662 --> 0:10:30.622 a respectful wife and mother. 0:10:31.142 --> 0:10:32.182 While it feels. 0:10:31.862 --> 0:10:35.062 Gratifying to see her thrive, she also didn't deserve to 0:10:35.142 --> 0:10:38.182 fall so hard. What do you think about that? 0:10:38.902 --> 0:10:41.302 I think it's a bit more complicated than that. I 0:10:41.342 --> 0:10:44.261 don't consider myself healed as of yet. Even though Mean 0:10:44.342 --> 0:10:47.822 Girls is obviously millennial cannon, I think it's partly because 0:10:47.902 --> 0:10:51.622 she was always more complicated than some of the other 0:10:52.022 --> 0:10:55.862 millennial icons that we've seen make a comeback. Part of 0:10:55.862 --> 0:10:58.661 that is that there were some dark, really dark chapters 0:10:58.702 --> 0:11:02.302 in her life along the way. I can't not think 0:11:02.462 --> 0:11:05.422 about the Instagram live that she posted in twenty eighteen 0:11:05.622 --> 0:11:09.222 where she attempted to kidnap a Syrian child on the 0:11:09.222 --> 0:11:12.822 street in what we think was maybe Moscow, speaking a 0:11:12.822 --> 0:11:16.542 combination of English, Russian and Arabic and trying to forcibly 0:11:16.582 --> 0:11:19.382 remove the child from the child's parents. Now, I'm sure 0:11:19.422 --> 0:11:22.462 that there was substance abuse involved here at some point, 0:11:22.542 --> 0:11:25.462 but it's still a kind of chilling thing to watch. 0:11:25.582 --> 0:11:29.742 And unlike say Britney, where Britney posts the strange dance 0:11:29.822 --> 0:11:32.982 videos in her mansion that's not really hurting anyone, a 0:11:33.062 --> 0:11:35.662 video of Lindsay Lohan trying to abduct someone is a 0:11:35.662 --> 0:11:36.182 different thing. 0:11:36.622 --> 0:11:40.342 I think that the read on this would be that 0:11:40.422 --> 0:11:43.702 Lindsay Lohan was so hounded. There's no question that there 0:11:43.782 --> 0:11:45.982 was lots of substance abuse, as you know, that was 0:11:46.022 --> 0:11:50.062 why she was wearing the monitoring bracelet and the subsequent DUIs, 0:11:50.102 --> 0:11:51.502 and it was all very much on the record. 0:11:51.502 --> 0:11:52.342 It wasn't rumored. 0:11:52.902 --> 0:11:56.822 When she disappeared, she literally disappeared overseas, so she left 0:11:56.862 --> 0:11:59.582 America and she spent some time in Russia, as she referenced, 0:11:59.582 --> 0:12:02.462 she spent time in London, and then she settled in 0:12:02.502 --> 0:12:04.342 the UA. She lives in Dubai. 0:12:04.422 --> 0:12:07.582 Will then she moved to Dubai in twenty fourteen, and 0:12:07.622 --> 0:12:10.662 like her main reason for moving was because it's illegal 0:12:10.662 --> 0:12:12.062 to take photos of people. 0:12:12.182 --> 0:12:16.862 She says that, but also what she did, and this 0:12:16.982 --> 0:12:20.062 is a very interesting argument about what this is. What 0:12:20.102 --> 0:12:23.582 you kind of have to do, is that she married 0:12:23.622 --> 0:12:27.102 a financier who is his vice president of a very 0:12:27.182 --> 0:12:31.502 high up bank. She is protected now literally by money, 0:12:31.662 --> 0:12:35.222 distance from Hollywood, a level of cover, and the question 0:12:35.302 --> 0:12:36.742 is could it have gone any other way? 0:12:36.822 --> 0:12:38.902 Really, she's also protected from her family. 0:12:38.902 --> 0:12:42.182 You remember Dina Lohan was a huge figure in the tabloids. 0:12:42.262 --> 0:12:44.462 I'm sure you covered her too, and she was kind 0:12:44.462 --> 0:12:48.742 of the quintessential stage mom, like always putting getting Lindsay 0:12:48.782 --> 0:12:51.862 money ahead of Lindsay's own welfare. I guess I compare 0:12:51.902 --> 0:12:54.582 her to like a Drew Barrymore. Drew Barrymore was another 0:12:54.622 --> 0:12:59.022 incredibly talented, precocious young actor, and she rose to fame 0:12:59.062 --> 0:13:01.742 with E T in the eighties and then she had 0:13:01.742 --> 0:13:05.022 a very public battle with substance abuse of course after that, 0:13:05.542 --> 0:13:08.142 and now she has been redeemed in much the same 0:13:08.222 --> 0:13:10.902 kind of domesticated way that a singleplendsay low hand. But 0:13:11.742 --> 0:13:15.422 another difference which I have to bring up is her face. 0:13:16.262 --> 0:13:20.182 She looks completely different, and not in a way of like, 0:13:20.302 --> 0:13:23.182 oh she's growing up and she's aging. She just looks 0:13:23.182 --> 0:13:24.022 completely different. 0:13:24.502 --> 0:13:24.942 Amelia. 0:13:25.022 --> 0:13:26.982 Let me just put you right about a couple of 0:13:26.982 --> 0:13:29.942 things in what you're insinuating there. Because I just read 0:13:30.302 --> 0:13:32.822 an l profile with Lindsay and the journalist asked to 0:13:32.942 --> 0:13:35.542 what her face secrets are because she's about to launch 0:13:35.542 --> 0:13:38.222 a beauty line. You'll be surprised to hear. Oh God, 0:13:38.222 --> 0:13:39.702 I don't even know how to answer that. She said, 0:13:39.742 --> 0:13:42.902 I drink this juice every morning. It's like carrot ginger, 0:13:42.982 --> 0:13:44.462 lemon olive oil and apple. 0:13:44.702 --> 0:13:46.262 Olive oil in the juice. 0:13:46.302 --> 0:13:46.542 Yeah. 0:13:46.862 --> 0:13:48.502 I also drink a lot of green tea, a lot 0:13:48.502 --> 0:13:50.862 of water. I'm a big pickled beets person, so I 0:13:50.942 --> 0:13:55.302 put them in almost. My skincare is very specific. I 0:13:55.382 --> 0:13:56.982 try out some cerrums that now I'm doing. So if 0:13:57.022 --> 0:13:59.462 you're insinuating that she's had a lot of work done, 0:13:59.542 --> 0:14:01.702 she says, I drink lemon juice a lot, and I 0:14:01.742 --> 0:14:04.862 put tons of cheer seeds in my water and eye patches. 0:14:06.182 --> 0:14:06.782 It's true. 0:14:06.902 --> 0:14:10.982 She gave another interview I found where she talks specifically 0:14:11.062 --> 0:14:15.542 about French pharmacy products as giving her that very unusual 0:14:15.582 --> 0:14:16.381 look that she has. 0:14:16.422 --> 0:14:19.022 So I guess I'll go off and case rested pharmacy. 0:14:19.102 --> 0:14:21.262 But here's the thing about this is that I think 0:14:21.302 --> 0:14:23.942 there is an argument for the fact that Lindsay Lohan 0:14:24.062 --> 0:14:25.822 is only allowed to have come back, whatever we think 0:14:25.822 --> 0:14:29.102 about the way that she disappeared. If you like and 0:14:29.262 --> 0:14:31.582 interesting your point about child stars, because from when I 0:14:31.662 --> 0:14:34.142 worked in that, I used to work in tabloid magazines 0:14:34.182 --> 0:14:37.662 and this naughty period was very much my era. And 0:14:37.782 --> 0:14:39.582 if I could tell you anything about what makes the 0:14:39.622 --> 0:14:43.262 difference between a child star who does okay and one 0:14:43.302 --> 0:14:45.822 where everything goes off the rails, it's their family. And 0:14:46.142 --> 0:14:48.742 Michael Loewan, so Lindsay's dad who's still in prison now, 0:14:48.742 --> 0:14:50.942 he's serving a time in Florida at the moment. 0:14:50.742 --> 0:14:52.542 For domestic abuse. 0:14:53.062 --> 0:14:56.942 He was always selling stories on her, and like Amy 0:14:56.942 --> 0:14:59.302 Winehouse's dad was always trying to sell stories on her, 0:14:59.342 --> 0:15:02.342 and Britney Spears's parents were writing books and other things. 0:15:02.862 --> 0:15:03.862 If you come. 0:15:03.702 --> 0:15:07.622 From a family where and think if you contrast that would. 0:15:07.422 --> 0:15:09.062 Say a Taylor Swift, Natalie Portland. 0:15:09.102 --> 0:15:12.382 Ye, and if you come from a family where your 0:15:12.382 --> 0:15:17.462 socioeconomic situation changes quickly and suddenly everybody's offering you money 0:15:18.062 --> 0:15:21.022 and you don't have, you know, like what could seem 0:15:21.102 --> 0:15:23.542 like life changing money even though it's kind of small 0:15:23.542 --> 0:15:25.382 potatoes to the people who are offering it to you, 0:15:26.022 --> 0:15:28.782 It is a train wreck waiting to happen. And the 0:15:28.822 --> 0:15:32.222 Michael Lowans of the world were like, great, I'll tell 0:15:32.262 --> 0:15:34.142 you this about Lindsay for ten grand I'll tell you 0:15:34.142 --> 0:15:37.262 that about Lindsay for fifteen, Like what that would do 0:15:37.462 --> 0:15:39.822 to you and what that does to your sense of safety? 0:15:39.902 --> 0:15:42.662 And you're the scaffolding under yourself with I can't. I 0:15:42.662 --> 0:15:45.542 don't think you can quantify that. And so I think 0:15:45.582 --> 0:15:47.862 it's very true that Lowen went off the rails. And 0:15:47.862 --> 0:15:49.662 there was a lot of handwringing in Hollywood because they 0:15:49.662 --> 0:15:53.182 said she'd become uninsurable on movies. Right, So lots of 0:15:53.182 --> 0:15:54.862 directors are on the record as saying she's one of 0:15:54.862 --> 0:15:57.062 the greatest actors, She's going to win Oscars and all 0:15:57.062 --> 0:15:58.862 these things, but we can't put her in anything because 0:15:58.862 --> 0:16:00.782 you can't ensure her. She's going to crash her car, 0:16:00.862 --> 0:16:03.302 She's going to fall off the wagon turn. She went 0:16:03.342 --> 0:16:05.342 to rehab like six times. A lot of that was 0:16:05.462 --> 0:16:07.302 to do with studios trying to get her in there. 0:16:08.142 --> 0:16:09.902 There is some truth to the fact that she has 0:16:09.982 --> 0:16:13.982 now been re embraced only when she looks perfect as 0:16:14.142 --> 0:16:18.382 per the facial conversation. She's married with a kid. She 0:16:18.822 --> 0:16:23.582 no longer says anything controversial in interviews. She's very respectful 0:16:23.582 --> 0:16:26.542 and polite, but entirely boring, Like I don't mean that 0:16:26.582 --> 0:16:28.702 as an insult. I mean that's like she has learned 0:16:29.102 --> 0:16:31.062 I've got to play the game. And there's something a 0:16:31.062 --> 0:16:34.462 bit depressing about that. It's like we tamed her, Like 0:16:34.582 --> 0:16:37.422 you bring somebody right down to this very respectful thing 0:16:37.462 --> 0:16:38.582 and then you're allowed back in. 0:16:38.942 --> 0:16:42.542 I think I went to the Freaker Friday premiere and 0:16:42.582 --> 0:16:45.582 I saw her on stage and in the theater where 0:16:45.582 --> 0:16:47.022 they come and do a little introduction. 0:16:47.262 --> 0:16:48.022 What was she like? 0:16:48.782 --> 0:16:53.262 So interesting because she was like someone completely different than 0:16:53.262 --> 0:16:55.702 what I assume she'd be. So she was there with 0:16:55.902 --> 0:16:58.702 Jamie Lee Curtis, who also stars in the movie, and 0:16:58.862 --> 0:17:01.662 she very much played like the backseat role like she 0:17:01.902 --> 0:17:04.542 didn't answer questions on this she was specifically asked them. 0:17:04.862 --> 0:17:07.822 Jamie Lee Curtis just owned the stage like answered everything, 0:17:08.222 --> 0:17:11.302 every single thing she said, like had to mention her 0:17:11.341 --> 0:17:12.622 son and her family. 0:17:12.782 --> 0:17:14.662 Yeah, this is what I mean. I'm playing the part 0:17:14.821 --> 0:17:16.302 and the very respectable mom. 0:17:16.381 --> 0:17:19.661 And even like Jamie Lee Curtis everything like people asked her, 0:17:19.821 --> 0:17:21.782 was like and look at Lindsay, she's a mom now, 0:17:21.901 --> 0:17:24.141 like she's like grown up into this beautiful woman. And 0:17:24.141 --> 0:17:25.701 they did Freaky Friday the first time when she was 0:17:25.742 --> 0:17:27.902 fifteen and now she's a beautiful woman with a son, 0:17:28.341 --> 0:17:30.342 and it just felt so like I'm a parent, I'm 0:17:30.341 --> 0:17:33.742 a parent, I'm a parent. And even when watching the movie, have. 0:17:33.702 --> 0:17:34.621 You seen Freaky Friday? 0:17:34.702 --> 0:17:35.782 Oh is it good? 0:17:35.942 --> 0:17:38.302 It's really good? Like I think it's standalone in it's 0:17:38.462 --> 0:17:39.502 own movie instead. 0:17:39.222 --> 0:17:39.581 Of a read it. 0:17:39.702 --> 0:17:44.181 But it's so good because she leans into that character 0:17:44.302 --> 0:17:47.182 so much, Like it felt like I was watching her 0:17:47.222 --> 0:17:49.381 on Disney Channel as and like she's leaning into she 0:17:49.542 --> 0:17:51.581 still got it, still got it, but she's also leaning 0:17:51.621 --> 0:17:54.502 into the physical comedy. And I think the difference on 0:17:54.581 --> 0:17:56.622 how she was able to make a comeback and other 0:17:56.861 --> 0:18:00.741 child stars like Amanda bines can't is because they're not 0:18:00.901 --> 0:18:03.181 ready to kind of abide by the rules, like you 0:18:03.182 --> 0:18:04.662 were saying, holland lean into. 0:18:04.462 --> 0:18:05.421 It even though I can't. 0:18:05.661 --> 0:18:07.741 But even like Hillary Duff, like I feel like she 0:18:08.182 --> 0:18:11.901 never had a like I guess, quote unquote breakdown after 0:18:12.262 --> 0:18:14.582 Disney Channel. She kind of just kept going and acting. 0:18:14.901 --> 0:18:16.701 But even like things like when they were meant to 0:18:16.702 --> 0:18:20.102 do the Lizzie Maguire reboot that completely got canceled after 0:18:20.101 --> 0:18:22.022 they announced it and did the promo for it, because 0:18:22.061 --> 0:18:24.302 she wanted to be a show for her fans who 0:18:24.302 --> 0:18:26.461 are now adults, and Disney very much wanted it to 0:18:26.462 --> 0:18:28.742 be a Disney show and she didn't want to do that. 0:18:29.222 --> 0:18:32.021 But the fact that Linday Loewen is leaning in and 0:18:32.061 --> 0:18:34.902 doing that, it just makes her so much more likable. 0:18:35.101 --> 0:18:36.941 I have an e stroke I've got to bring to 0:18:36.982 --> 0:18:38.741 you about that. I know how you said on the 0:18:38.742 --> 0:18:41.221 show a couple of weeks ago Manifesting. Yes, you know 0:18:41.222 --> 0:18:43.261 how you told us about the big weekend of Manifesting. 0:18:43.341 --> 0:18:47.341 I did Lindsay's come back, she credits to Manifestation. 0:18:47.742 --> 0:18:51.022 So she says that she's lost me. Now here we go. 0:18:51.542 --> 0:18:55.621 She said during COVID, I manifested Netflix. She said, I 0:18:55.702 --> 0:18:57.221 was like, I want to work with Netflix. I kept 0:18:57.262 --> 0:18:58.941 writing it in my journal and I kept saying it, 0:18:58.982 --> 0:19:00.941 and then that's what happened. I was like, Oh, it 0:19:00.942 --> 0:19:02.861 would be nice to do three films with them and 0:19:02.901 --> 0:19:05.381 then see where that goes. And I definitely want to 0:19:05.381 --> 0:19:08.181 do my first feature back with Disney. So she manifested that, 0:19:08.542 --> 0:19:11.141 and she says, I'm infested this movie right now. 0:19:11.422 --> 0:19:12.421