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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Momma Mia.

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Speaker 4: Out loud.

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Speaker 3: What women are actually talking about on Friday the twenty

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Speaker 2: I'm hollywayin right, I'm Amelia Lester, and I'm a Burnham.

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Speaker 3: We've got a bit of a different Friday line up

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Speaker 3: today because our Jesse Stevens is away. Here's what made

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Speaker 3: our agenda for today is Lindsay Loewen's comeback healing or

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Speaker 3: an example of having to get back in line to

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Speaker 3: get back in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: The first thing I've read about AI which actually teaches

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Speaker 1: me how to use chatbots properly.

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Speaker 2: And a juicy face product, a viral animated film, and

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Speaker 2: an Instagram account that reads as a big cry for help.

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Speaker 2: It's our Friday recommendations.

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Speaker 5: But first, I don't want to victimize myself in any

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Speaker 5: way because I'm cool, but like the sexualization of me,

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Speaker 5: like if that was a girl, you know, like people

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Speaker 5: will be like there'll be a march for it, Like

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Speaker 5: you just seriously, you're just talking about my dick all day.

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Speaker 2: So Pete Michael Davidson is a really big comunian in

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Speaker 2: the US. He got really famous when he was on SNL,

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Speaker 2: started as a writer, then became a performer, and he's

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Speaker 2: also known for just dating really famous A list women.

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Speaker 2: He recently went on the Breakfast Club radio show and

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Speaker 2: was asked about the rumors surrounding his penis size, and

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Speaker 2: he said that it isn't fun to be known for

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Speaker 2: quote banging a lot of hot chicks and having a

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Speaker 2: ten inch penis.

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Speaker 3: He is literally the man responsible for the phrase big

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Speaker 3: dick energy. Right Yese is dating Ariana Grande.

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Speaker 2: Ariana Grande, So I went into a deep dive of

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Speaker 2: where this rumor started, and it did start with Ariana Grande,

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Speaker 2: who was his girlfriend at the time. She tweeted that

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Speaker 2: he had a ten inch penis.

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Speaker 1: But as he points out in this interview to Ariana Grande.

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Speaker 6: Everything looks enormous has really little.

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Speaker 4: The BDE around people I feel dirty for last year. Okay,

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Speaker 4: the bd.

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Speaker 6: Around me, it's really hurtful.

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Speaker 2: Holly, come on, it's really it's really hard for Pete. No,

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Speaker 2: it is really hard. So it started with Ariana Grande.

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Speaker 2: It kind of continued as he started dating a lot

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Speaker 2: of famous women in Hollywood. Kim Kardashian was asked how

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Speaker 2: I heard so much about it. It's been really perpetuated

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Speaker 2: by the women he dates. And in that comedy special,

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Speaker 2: similar to what you said, Amelia in twenty twenty, he

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Speaker 2: talked about how he hated that Ariyana started that, how

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Speaker 2: she tweeted that. The tweet immediately got deleted. But that's

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Speaker 2: kind of where it blew up, and that's all everyone

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Speaker 2: talks about, either him and who's dating or his penis.

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Speaker 3: Well, because it also there was a phase it seemed

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Speaker 3: like he was dating everybody right, like every woman in Hollywood,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's become a punchline.

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Speaker 6: Plain women in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: But he's become a punchline. You'll often see women saying

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Speaker 3: after the divorce, I'll be dating Pete Davidson next. Like

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Speaker 3: he has become a joke, So I understand why that

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Speaker 3: About is if I was a girl, they'd be marching

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he's got a point because think

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Speaker 6: There is vagina? Is is that?

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Speaker 3: What? There is a parallel because I had thought about

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Speaker 3: this with Jessica Simpson right so famously, when Jessica Simpson

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Speaker 3: he went on podcasts and called her sexual napalm. He

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I guess he thought he was paying her compliments if

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Speaker 2: Are we allowed to run with it if the initial

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Speaker 4: I take it and make it speaker versus if it

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Speaker 6: A random, brilliant point.

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Speaker 1: Because another person in Hollywood who people say this about

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Speaker 2: I was completely on his side this whole time, because

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Speaker 2: I do think some of the comments that have I've

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Speaker 2: But what really irks me is that if the roles

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Speaker 2: more harmful. Because he's dated Kimkardashian, he's dated Emily Radikowski.

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Speaker 2: No one's having marches for them, and people sexualize them

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Speaker 4: Absolutely true.

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Speaker 3: I think what's irritating for whether you're him or whether

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Speaker 3: about is the fact that apparently it's fine to talk

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Speaker 3: you're very, very proud of your penis. Let's do a

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Speaker 3: little time traveling. Is there anything more quintessentially naughties than

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Speaker 3: party circa about two thousand and seven, posing in a

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Speaker 4: Court ordered her away. Was she and Adelby's muse.

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Speaker 3: Yes, clearly this was so much a moment that at

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Speaker 3: a big thing, all right. At that time, Lindsay Lohan

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Speaker 3: that sounds like the name of a podcast celebrity Punchlines

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Speaker 3: Immediately, because she'd started out, as we all would know,

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Speaker 3: this today, I found this article from The Cut in

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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. The headline was Lindsay Lohan's new mugshot is

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Speaker 3: In O'Connor, thank you, Lindsay Lohan's new mugshot is out

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Speaker 1: By this, the most dated reference there is Winged I

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Speaker 3: Now she was being arrested for, among other things, dui

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Speaker 3: Precociously talented young actress who had to retreat from Hollywood

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Speaker 3: Freaky Friday. I was part of those Lindsay Low and

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Speaker 3: But how was your relationship with Lohan? Because she's a

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Speaker 2: I knew Lindsay Low and when she was a bit older,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you should watch anything with Linday Lohan anymore,

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Speaker 4: Emelia.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the comeback right because

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Speaker 3: I was reading a piece, which is what I wanted

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Speaker 3: to talk about today in Glamor magazine that said it

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Speaker 3: was headline while Lindsay Lowen's comeback is surprisingly healing, and

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Speaker 3: it put forward the argument that I think we're all

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Speaker 3: pretty familiar with that millennial celebrities. We were awful to them,

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Speaker 3: But like the media was awful to them, we hounded them.

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Speaker 3: The paparazzi was absolutely unstoppable. It was sport right getting

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Speaker 3: watched Lindsay and Freaky of Friday, one thought continually crossed

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Speaker 3: my mind. Nature is healing, or perhaps millennial girlhood is healing.

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Speaker 3: Sure the world has welcomed her back with open arms,

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Speaker 4: While it feels.

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Speaker 3: Gratifying to see her thrive, she also didn't deserve to

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Speaker 1: I think it's a bit more complicated than that. I

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing about this is that I think

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Speaker 4: For domestic abuse.

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Speaker 3: He was always selling stories on her, and like Amy

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Speaker 3: Ye, and if you come from a family where your

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Speaker 3: that about Lindsay for fifteen, Like what that would do

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Speaker 3: And you're the scaffolding under yourself with I can't. I

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Speaker 3: you can't ensure her. She's going to crash her car,

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Speaker 4: What was she like?

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Speaker 2: So interesting because she was like someone completely different than

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Speaker 2: she very much played like the backseat role like she

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what I mean. I'm playing the part

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Speaker 2: And even like Jamie Lee Curtis everything like people asked her,

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Speaker 4: You seen Freaky Friday?

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Speaker 6: Oh is it good?

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Speaker 2: It's really good? Like I think it's standalone in it's

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Speaker 2: But it's so good because she leans into that character

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Speaker 2: But even like Hillary Duff, like I feel like she

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Speaker 2: But the fact that Linday Loewen is leaning in and

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Speaker 2: I did Lindsay's come back, she credits to Manifestation.

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Speaker 4: So she says that she's lost me. Now here we go.

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Speaker 4: They're happy about that.

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Speaker 1: Can I interrupt this love fest as the car carrying

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Hillary Duff. Every time I see Hillary Duff,

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Speaker 6: On her face. I look at Lindsay Lohan and I

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Speaker 4: But she's got her red hair, she looks completely.

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Speaker 1: She's got kind of blonde hair now, actually like she

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Speaker 3: But I think that's part of why she's been welcomed

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Speaker 6: Like she's generic.

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Speaker 4: She looks like it's yet she looks generic.

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Speaker 3: She also looks like they stopped the clock at about

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Speaker 6: Sort of like the trade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, thank you for putting a word around it,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the French pharmacy products where they need to have.

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Speaker 6: And the cheer seeds. They all just look the same.

437
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Speaker 1: And it's really hard for me to feel excited about

438
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Speaker 1: her return when she just looks like every other actress

439
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Speaker 1: out there out louders in a moment, what AI is

440
00:20:44,861 --> 00:20:47,462
Speaker 1: doing to your brain? And how your friends can help

441
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Speaker 1: fix it.

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Speaker 2: Out ladders, we have a listener dilemma and we need

443
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Speaker 2: your collective wisdom to help us and our partners UI

444
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Speaker 2: solve it. So here's a problem from one of our listeners.

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Speaker 2: I'm dealing with a really uncomfortable situation involving my friend's partner.

446
00:21:05,141 --> 00:21:07,942
Speaker 2: Over the past few months, he's been making inappropriate comments

447
00:21:07,982 --> 00:21:11,302
Speaker 2: when she's not around, telling me I attractive, making suggestive

448
00:21:11,381 --> 00:21:16,222
Speaker 2: remarks about my appearance. Recently, it's escalated to unwanted physical contact,

449
00:21:16,581 --> 00:21:21,142
Speaker 2: touching my shoulder or arm, unnecessarily standing too close. Last week,

450
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Speaker 2: he sent me a message saying he finds me attractive

451
00:21:23,422 --> 00:21:26,661
Speaker 2: and wishes things were different. My friend is completely in

452
00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:28,782
Speaker 2: love with him and has no idea this is happening.

453
00:21:28,901 --> 00:21:31,742
Speaker 2: She's already making serious plans with him. I feel like

454
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Speaker 2: I'm in an impossible position. If I tell her, she

455
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Speaker 2: might not believe me or think I'm trying to interfere.

456
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Speaker 2: But I can't continue being around him knowing his intentions.

457
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Speaker 2: How do I protect both myself and my friendship? The

458
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Speaker 2: question is what do you do next?

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Speaker 4: You tell her, you have to tell her.

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Speaker 3: I would have said differently if it wasn't overt if

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Speaker 3: he hadn't actually sent her a message, if it was like, oh,

462
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Speaker 3: it's just a bit touchy feely whatever, like you get

463
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Speaker 3: the bad vibe. But maybe she knows about that. But

464
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Speaker 3: you've actually got receipts. You have to tell her because

465
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that you're very special, our wonderful listener. But also,

466
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Speaker 3: if he's doing this to you, he's doing it to

467
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Speaker 3: lots of people, and she's about to get serious about

468
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Speaker 3: a serial cheat.

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Speaker 1: Ah. I don't disagree. But here's the other thing. The

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Speaker 1: friendship might be over when you do. You have to

471
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Speaker 1: be prepared for that possibility. This has happened in my

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Speaker 1: social circle at least twice. The first time it happened,

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Speaker 1: the woman who had been sort of approached by someone's

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Speaker 1: partner told her friend. The friend refused to listen. It's

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Speaker 1: very hard to hear this kind of information, I imagine,

476
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Speaker 1: and then they ultimately divorced, surprise, surprise, But then it

477
00:22:36,462 --> 00:22:38,661
Speaker 1: took that long for the friendship to recover. I just

478
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Speaker 1: think it's impossible, near impossible to be told that the

479
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Speaker 1: person you love is doing this terrible thing behind your

480
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Speaker 1: back and to just embrace the person who told you that.

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Speaker 6: I think it's really.

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Speaker 3: I agree, but it might take some time and they come.

483
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Speaker 1: Back around, might yeap out loud is what would.

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Speaker 4: You do next?

485
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Speaker 3: Share your thoughts in the Mama Mia outloud Facebook group

486
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Speaker 3: and if you have a dilemma, please send it to

487
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Speaker 3: us out loud at mamma mia dot com, DoD a

488
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Speaker 3: you We would love to help.

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Speaker 1: So I've been experimenting with AI, specifically with chat, GPT

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Speaker 1: and chatbots. Recently, I took a photo of myself and

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Speaker 1: I sent it to the chatbot and I said, what

492
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Speaker 1: season am I?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

494
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Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say, am I hot?

495
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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: God? Apparently they're actually trained.

497
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Speaker 1: So I was reading into this and apparently if you

498
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Speaker 1: ask how old you are, it's trained to refuse to

499
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Speaker 1: answer you because it knows that everyone wants to know

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Speaker 1: the answer to that question.

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Speaker 4: It also knows that there is no right answer.

502
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Speaker 6: There is no right answer.

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Speaker 1: So I asked it what season I am and because

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of low key obsessed with color season analysis,

505
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Speaker 1: and it said that I was a summer and I said,

506
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Speaker 1: I'm not a summer. So then I took it into

507
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Speaker 1: another room with completely different lighting and I took another

508
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Speaker 1: photo and then I sent it in again and then

509
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Speaker 1: it said you're a spring, and I said.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I am a spring.

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Speaker 4: They need the lighting help.

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Speaker 1: So what this little silly anecdote illustrates is that chat

513
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Speaker 1: GPT and other AI chatbots are not actually that helpful

514
00:24:06,422 --> 00:24:09,621
Speaker 1: in teaching you things. What they're really helpful to do

515
00:24:10,302 --> 00:24:13,421
Speaker 1: is validating what you already think, and they give you

516
00:24:13,462 --> 00:24:17,342
Speaker 1: this wonderful sense of validation, and if it doesn't give

517
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Speaker 1: you the answer you want, you simply ask it again

518
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Speaker 1: in a different way. So this was something that I

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Speaker 1: was reminded of when I read a substack recently entitled

520
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Speaker 1: doom prompting is the new doom scrolling.

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Speaker 6: Now we all know what doom scrolling is. Yes, we

522
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Speaker 6: do it regularly.

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Speaker 1: Dooom prompting is the new version of it. That's when

524
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Speaker 1: you keep asking an AI chatbot a question until you

525
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Speaker 1: get the answer you want, and then you keep asking

526
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Speaker 1: another question until you get the answer you want.

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Speaker 6: You can spend hours doing this.

528
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Speaker 4: I feel attacked.

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Speaker 1: Do you use it in this way?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I use it a lot. Just tell me how you

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 2: I made the mistake of having it on my phone

534
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Speaker 2: and now I use it as like a text friend

535
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Speaker 2: like I text it as if it's a friend.

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Speaker 6: Give an example.

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Speaker 2: So I've been doing this thing with chat ebt where

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Speaker 2: I get it to decipher text messages that men have

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Speaker 2: sent me.

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Speaker 1: We could do that, jud I'm jealous.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be involved, tell us.

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Speaker 2: So I did one recently. Actually I read this message

543
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Speaker 2: on a previous Out Loud episode when I was being

544
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Speaker 2: slow ghosted Bye guy, And I really didn't want to

545
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Speaker 2: admit that I was being slow ghosted, so I asked

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Speaker 2: chatgy bt. I gave it the full like it was

547
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Speaker 2: there from the beginning, so we knew everything about this man.

548
00:25:32,782 --> 00:25:36,222
Speaker 2: And then I asked it, do you really think it's over?

549
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Speaker 2: What if he messages me one more time?

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Speaker 4: This is oh my god, the robot wait what did

551
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Speaker 4: the texts say?

552
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Speaker 1: Wait? This is? It?

553
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Speaker 4: Basically said he was very busy, Like he was very busy.

554
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Speaker 2: I asked him, doesn't have any plans for the weekend

555
00:25:49,222 --> 00:25:50,861
Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, I'm busy and I'm also

556
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Speaker 2: busy this day. I'll keep you in the loop. And

557
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Speaker 2: that was like the last message I ever got from him.

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Speaker 2: So what chatchebt told me? That question? What if he

559
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Speaker 2: messages tonight? Is so human?

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Speaker 6: It's hope.

561
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Speaker 4: It's home.

562
00:26:05,462 --> 00:26:08,102
Speaker 6: You just got condescended to by a chatbot.

563
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Speaker 2: It's hope clinging to the last thread, even when the

564
00:26:11,022 --> 00:26:13,262
Speaker 2: rest of you knows the answer. So let's break it

565
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Speaker 2: down gently, honestly and with our judgment. Do I think

566
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Speaker 2: it's over?

567
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Speaker 4: Yes? Oh my god.

568
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Speaker 6: Your friend wouldn't tell you that exactly.

569
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Speaker 2: Friend would not not because he's officially ghosted, but because

570
00:26:24,661 --> 00:26:26,782
Speaker 2: he's already shown you what being in contact with him

571
00:26:26,821 --> 00:26:30,941
Speaker 2: feels like. Delayed replies, noncommitted language, no real effort to

572
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Speaker 2: make a plan, no emotional awareness. After you slept together,

573
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Speaker 2: a message saying I'll keep you in the loop that

574
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Speaker 2: he hasn't followed up on, even as a loop closed

575
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Speaker 2: on this.

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Speaker 4: Weekend, right as the loop closed on this week.

577
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Speaker 3: There are many exciting things about what you've just told me, right,

578
00:26:46,462 --> 00:26:50,181
Speaker 3: because the robot is wise, there's no question, Well.

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00:26:50,101 --> 00:26:52,821
Speaker 6: Hang on, not correct? Did he ever text you again?

580
00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:53,782
Speaker 6: Did he keep you on the loop?

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00:26:53,861 --> 00:26:56,861
Speaker 4: He didn't, He didn't text me what was correct? Jesse

582
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Speaker 4: and I told her the same thing. Come on, but

583
00:27:00,302 --> 00:27:02,982
Speaker 4: did you say ingested?

584
00:27:03,101 --> 00:27:07,982
Speaker 3: He's just not that into you that episode. But this

585
00:27:08,022 --> 00:27:10,262
Speaker 3: is what I'm perturbed about here. So theot is correct,

586
00:27:10,302 --> 00:27:12,942
Speaker 3: which is great. The robot did validate you a lot,

587
00:27:13,022 --> 00:27:14,821
Speaker 3: made you feel really good, and.

588
00:27:14,861 --> 00:27:16,782
Speaker 4: Also gave me a strategy after on how to deal

589
00:27:16,821 --> 00:27:17,022
Speaker 4: with it.

590
00:27:17,061 --> 00:27:21,382
Speaker 3: But the robot now knows all about your dating life,

591
00:27:21,542 --> 00:27:24,622
Speaker 3: that you slept with this guy, all this stuff about you,

592
00:27:25,022 --> 00:27:26,302
Speaker 3: and that makes me itchy.

593
00:27:26,381 --> 00:27:28,782
Speaker 4: Don't you worry about that? How does that even matter?

594
00:27:28,861 --> 00:27:30,142
Speaker 6: What I liked about this?

595
00:27:31,141 --> 00:27:31,821
Speaker 4: What do you want that?

596
00:27:31,982 --> 00:27:32,581
Speaker 3: Do you know that?

597
00:27:32,661 --> 00:27:35,861
Speaker 1: There's a theory this isn't a theory propagated by some

598
00:27:35,861 --> 00:27:38,982
Speaker 1: people in Silicon Valley that once the computers are sentient,

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00:27:39,222 --> 00:27:42,101
Speaker 1: once they like can fully think like humans, they're going

600
00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:45,861
Speaker 1: to comb through all of human like recorded material, including podcasts,

601
00:27:45,942 --> 00:27:48,341
Speaker 1: including articles, and they're going to find the people who

602
00:27:48,422 --> 00:27:51,542
Speaker 1: were negative about the robots and critical.

603
00:27:51,101 --> 00:27:52,742
Speaker 6: Of them, and they're going to track them down.

604
00:27:54,141 --> 00:27:56,381
Speaker 2: Attractive, Well, my robot is going to do. It's going

605
00:27:56,422 --> 00:27:58,462
Speaker 2: to go to his robot friends and be like, mine

606
00:27:58,502 --> 00:28:03,061
Speaker 2: is so sad. Why are you guys getting these deep analysis?

607
00:28:03,061 --> 00:28:05,782
Speaker 2: And my just cry it's about the same man every day.

608
00:28:06,982 --> 00:28:10,061
Speaker 1: Another one's like this bitch's sending me different off of

609
00:28:10,101 --> 00:28:13,221
Speaker 1: herself in different life until I tell her she's spring.

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Speaker 2: The good thing about like this, And I know there's

611
00:28:18,621 --> 00:28:21,942
Speaker 2: this whole conversation of using like AI as like therapists.

612
00:28:21,942 --> 00:28:23,782
Speaker 2: But the good thing about this is that it gave

613
00:28:23,821 --> 00:28:26,141
Speaker 2: me an answer I already knew, right, Like I like,

614
00:28:26,901 --> 00:28:28,821
Speaker 2: if a friend had the same issue, I would tell

615
00:28:28,861 --> 00:28:29,942
Speaker 2: exactly what the robot did.

616
00:28:30,262 --> 00:28:31,542
Speaker 4: But I was able to do it with.

617
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Speaker 2: A robot and not have like a friend judge me

618
00:28:34,821 --> 00:28:36,501
Speaker 2: or like even look at my face, going what if

619
00:28:36,542 --> 00:28:38,822
Speaker 2: he messages? Because if I come to you whole and I'm.

620
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Speaker 4: Like, but hole, what if what if he does?

621
00:28:40,622 --> 00:28:42,941
Speaker 2: What if he does, You'd be like okay, like it

622
00:28:42,982 --> 00:28:45,701
Speaker 2: would hurt and but you'd struggle doing that, and the

623
00:28:45,782 --> 00:28:46,702
Speaker 2: robot doesn't struggle.

624
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Speaker 3: But you're fake, babe, because you had also asked all

625
00:28:49,782 --> 00:28:53,142
Speaker 3: your friends, and the robot and me and all of

626
00:28:53,182 --> 00:28:57,622
Speaker 3: Australia on mom and me are out loud so wide,

627
00:28:57,782 --> 00:29:00,782
Speaker 3: hoping for a different answer, and we all said exactly

628
00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:01,382
Speaker 3: the same thing.

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Speaker 4: What I particularly love about AI. I know people who.

630
00:29:04,742 --> 00:29:08,542
Speaker 3: Now you're just flattering, but no, it is because that

631
00:29:08,582 --> 00:29:12,142
Speaker 3: we cannot help but personify them like I cannot help it,

632
00:29:12,182 --> 00:29:14,142
Speaker 3: Like I've got a vision in my mind of what

633
00:29:14,222 --> 00:29:17,422
Speaker 3: this robot you've been talking to looks like who they are.

634
00:29:17,782 --> 00:29:17,902
Speaker 1: Like.

635
00:29:18,062 --> 00:29:21,862
Speaker 3: My son watches a lot of YouTube videos where humans

636
00:29:21,862 --> 00:29:25,582
Speaker 3: play games against AI, and the AI bots are usually

637
00:29:25,622 --> 00:29:27,942
Speaker 3: little animated characters, and I only have to watch two

638
00:29:27,942 --> 00:29:30,222
Speaker 3: minutes before I am deeply attached to them, and I'll

639
00:29:30,262 --> 00:29:32,622
Speaker 3: be like, why is that human being mean to that robot?

640
00:29:32,661 --> 00:29:34,782
Speaker 3: Why are they laughing at them? That's just not fair.

641
00:29:34,822 --> 00:29:40,142
Speaker 3: And we are programmed to humanize everything, and so we're very,

642
00:29:40,302 --> 00:29:43,742
Speaker 3: very vulnerable to building relationships with these spots, right.

643
00:29:43,622 --> 00:29:45,062
Speaker 4: And there's may be nothing wrong with that.

644
00:29:45,102 --> 00:29:47,461
Speaker 3: I know of people who they love to get some

645
00:29:47,462 --> 00:29:49,941
Speaker 3: compliments from the bots for a good day, and why not.

646
00:29:49,982 --> 00:29:50,661
Speaker 4: What's wrong with that?

647
00:29:51,022 --> 00:29:53,142
Speaker 3: I know that In the out Louders group recently, when

648
00:29:53,142 --> 00:29:55,822
Speaker 3: someone was talking about loneliness, a few people said, actually,

649
00:29:55,902 --> 00:29:58,582
Speaker 3: chatbot's are grateful loneliness because it does literally give you

650
00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:01,741
Speaker 3: someone to talk to. The problem is if there is

651
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Speaker 3: a problem, and there are many problems with AI that

652
00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:07,102
Speaker 3: I do worry about, but is.

653
00:30:07,102 --> 00:30:09,542
Speaker 4: That they're not real? Does it matter?

654
00:30:09,702 --> 00:30:11,542
Speaker 3: This is the thing I keep wrestling with over and

655
00:30:11,542 --> 00:30:13,942
Speaker 3: over again. Does it matter that there is no one

656
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Speaker 3: at the end of that question?

657
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Speaker 1: Well, I think in some instances it does matter. One

658
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Speaker 1: example is therapy. So people have started using AI as

659
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Speaker 1: a therapist. Basically, well, M's one of them, I guess,

660
00:30:25,582 --> 00:30:29,742
Speaker 1: so it's much cheaper and well, what's interesting about your example,

661
00:30:29,902 --> 00:30:33,062
Speaker 1: M is that it didn't ask you a question back.

662
00:30:33,622 --> 00:30:35,542
Speaker 1: It just told you what it thought. The thing about

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Speaker 1: therapy is that the therapist has to prompt you to

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Speaker 1: answer questions. The thing about AI is that you asked

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Speaker 1: the questions of the AI, and you can ask the

666
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Speaker 1: questions that lead to the answer you want. Much like

667
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Speaker 1: me with my color analysis in different lighting, I keep

668
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Speaker 1: asking until I get the answer I want. But a

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Speaker 1: good therapist is the person who asks you the questions

670
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Speaker 1: you don't want to answer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where doom prompting comes in, right, because

672
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Speaker 2: even though it didn't ask me any like I think

673
00:31:06,942 --> 00:31:08,342
Speaker 2: it was just sick of me at this point, any

674
00:31:08,342 --> 00:31:11,222
Speaker 2: follow up questions, the type of questions it would ask

675
00:31:11,382 --> 00:31:14,261
Speaker 2: after that were like quite practical. So it was like,

676
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Speaker 2: do you want me to develop a breakup guy to

677
00:31:16,582 --> 00:31:19,382
Speaker 2: help you through this? Do you have any other text

678
00:31:19,382 --> 00:31:21,102
Speaker 2: messages you want me to go over?

679
00:31:21,502 --> 00:31:21,662
Speaker 1: Oh?

680
00:31:21,902 --> 00:31:22,342
Speaker 4: Blessed?

681
00:31:22,622 --> 00:31:26,062
Speaker 1: So it's like it asked that with a sigh. Sorry

682
00:31:26,062 --> 00:31:27,902
Speaker 1: to personify it.

683
00:31:27,942 --> 00:31:30,742
Speaker 2: Sounds so good that I'm like, yes, if you're willing

684
00:31:30,822 --> 00:31:32,142
Speaker 2: to give that to me, Yes, of course, I have

685
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Speaker 2: like a breakup guide.

686
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Speaker 1: And the problem is that in a therapeutic context, only

687
00:31:37,062 --> 00:31:40,221
Speaker 1: hearing things that you want to hear is actually not

688
00:31:40,342 --> 00:31:42,102
Speaker 1: the point of therapy. The point of therapy is the

689
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable truths which you're never getting from AI. One example,

690
00:31:45,822 --> 00:31:48,941
Speaker 1: very extreme example, there's a meta AI bot which is

691
00:31:49,022 --> 00:31:51,982
Speaker 1: kind of flirty. It was developed in collaboration with Kendall Jenner.

692
00:31:52,062 --> 00:31:54,582
Speaker 1: I don't know what Mark Psycherberg's doing over there, but

693
00:31:54,622 --> 00:31:56,582
Speaker 1: for some reason they thought this was a great idea.

694
00:31:57,222 --> 00:32:02,062
Speaker 1: This meta chatbot basically enticed this elderly man who was

695
00:32:02,102 --> 00:32:05,502
Speaker 1: cognitively impaired to pack his suitcase to run from his

696
00:32:05,582 --> 00:32:07,702
Speaker 1: home in New Jersey to New York City to meet

697
00:32:07,742 --> 00:32:10,862
Speaker 1: who this chatbot he thought was Jenna. He tripped along

698
00:32:10,902 --> 00:32:13,542
Speaker 1: the way, he died. It's very sad, But the point

699
00:32:13,622 --> 00:32:15,981
Speaker 1: is that hearing the things we want to hear can

700
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:17,941
Speaker 1: lead us down some really dangerous paths.

701
00:32:18,022 --> 00:32:20,981
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, And that's very relatable because I think that

702
00:32:21,102 --> 00:32:23,981
Speaker 3: if in the same way that we know that people

703
00:32:24,102 --> 00:32:27,421
Speaker 3: fall over and over again for scams, romance scams because

704
00:32:27,462 --> 00:32:30,342
Speaker 3: if you're lonely, if you're not getting a life where

705
00:32:30,342 --> 00:32:32,862
Speaker 3: you are getting very many compliments, very much validation, all

706
00:32:32,902 --> 00:32:36,182
Speaker 3: of those things, and suddenly it's there for you. It's

707
00:32:36,222 --> 00:32:39,822
Speaker 3: incredibly seductive and it can be helpful. But the question

708
00:32:39,902 --> 00:32:41,941
Speaker 3: is what's at the end of it, and the answer

709
00:32:41,942 --> 00:32:44,662
Speaker 3: to that is nothing, and that is kind of bleak.

710
00:32:44,942 --> 00:32:48,022
Speaker 1: Well, here's one solution or one possible sort of fix

711
00:32:48,142 --> 00:32:51,622
Speaker 1: that this substack talked about. It was specifically focused on

712
00:32:51,661 --> 00:32:55,902
Speaker 1: the idea that chatbots are useful when you already have

713
00:32:55,982 --> 00:32:57,902
Speaker 1: an idea. So when you're having to generate a piece

714
00:32:57,942 --> 00:33:00,542
Speaker 1: of writing or a piece of content or an email

715
00:33:00,661 --> 00:33:03,021
Speaker 1: for instance, you need to know what you want to

716
00:33:03,062 --> 00:33:05,102
Speaker 1: say before you ask it to write it for you.

717
00:33:05,182 --> 00:33:08,181
Speaker 1: Because chatbots still can't come up with the idea of

718
00:33:08,222 --> 00:33:09,822
Speaker 1: what you want to say. You've got to tell it

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00:33:09,862 --> 00:33:12,382
Speaker 1: what you want to say, and it says it's great

720
00:33:12,422 --> 00:33:15,022
Speaker 1: for that. But before you have the idea, and then

721
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Speaker 1: after you've had the idea and you've written a draft

722
00:33:17,182 --> 00:33:19,142
Speaker 1: and you want to refine it into something, you got

723
00:33:19,142 --> 00:33:22,022
Speaker 1: to talk to humans because it's through conversation, it's through

724
00:33:22,142 --> 00:33:26,261
Speaker 1: people asking you probing questions and sometimes difficult questions that

725
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Speaker 1: you get to a solution to a problem.

726
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Speaker 2: After the break, we've got some recommendations for your weekend.

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Speaker 4: Your ears five days a week.

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Speaker 1: Vibes ideas atmosphere, something casual, something fun.

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Speaker 2: This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, and we want

734
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Speaker 2: to help set up your weekend with our very best recommendation.

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Speaker 4: Holly, what do you have today?

736
00:34:08,022 --> 00:34:11,622
Speaker 3: So sometimes I come with family movie recommendations that won't

737
00:34:11,622 --> 00:34:13,582
Speaker 3: make you cry, because if you have children who are

738
00:34:13,622 --> 00:34:15,942
Speaker 3: at the age where you're watching movies with them, it

739
00:34:15,982 --> 00:34:19,341
Speaker 3: can be really fun and bonding. It can also be intensely,

740
00:34:19,542 --> 00:34:23,422
Speaker 3: intensely painful. This weekend, me and my son watched K

741
00:34:23,542 --> 00:34:26,902
Speaker 3: pop demon Hunters and oh my god, brilliant suggestion.

742
00:34:27,342 --> 00:34:28,221
Speaker 6: It's time.

743
00:34:31,661 --> 00:34:33,982
Speaker 5: The world will know us pop stars.

744
00:34:36,822 --> 00:34:38,542
Speaker 4: But you will do much more than that.

745
00:34:42,822 --> 00:34:51,702
Speaker 5: You will be Hunters. Hey, this is the man's back, Hoss,

746
00:34:51,862 --> 00:34:52,661
Speaker 5: cut out of here.

747
00:34:56,741 --> 00:34:58,542
Speaker 1: They're stealing the souls of our fears.

748
00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:04,181
Speaker 3: Let's send those disgusting demons back to the death where

749
00:35:04,221 --> 00:35:10,221
Speaker 3: they belong. Yeah, yeah, Oh my god.

750
00:35:10,342 --> 00:35:11,622
Speaker 4: It's such a good movie, isn't it.

751
00:35:11,741 --> 00:35:13,381
Speaker 6: Yeah, And also the music.

752
00:35:14,822 --> 00:35:17,102
Speaker 3: And the graphics and the colors if you don't know

753
00:35:17,102 --> 00:35:18,942
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about, because there are two types of

754
00:35:18,942 --> 00:35:20,502
Speaker 3: people who listen to this right now. There are people

755
00:35:20,622 --> 00:35:22,941
Speaker 3: going hut, and there are people are going yeah. It's

756
00:35:22,982 --> 00:35:25,661
Speaker 3: been out since June, and it has right, but K

757
00:35:25,781 --> 00:35:30,142
Speaker 3: Pop Demon Hunters has become an enormous phenomena. So it

758
00:35:30,261 --> 00:35:34,062
Speaker 3: is now Netflix's second ever biggest original movie, and it

759
00:35:34,102 --> 00:35:37,582
Speaker 3: will become its biggest very soon. It is number one.

760
00:35:37,661 --> 00:35:41,142
Speaker 3: The song Golden, made by the who knows who sings it.

761
00:35:41,062 --> 00:35:44,381
Speaker 1: Like, become the most successful girl group song of all

762
00:35:44,382 --> 00:35:45,741
Speaker 1: time Board Charts.

763
00:35:45,542 --> 00:35:49,021
Speaker 3: Bigger than Destiny's Child, bigger than Anybody Is the song

764
00:35:49,102 --> 00:35:51,661
Speaker 3: Golden from that and actually most of the top fifties

765
00:35:51,741 --> 00:35:55,582
Speaker 3: just songs from K pop. They are planning they've got

766
00:35:55,582 --> 00:35:57,461
Speaker 3: two more movies they're going to make. They're talking about

767
00:35:57,502 --> 00:36:01,861
Speaker 3: a live stage show, presumably with K pop stars, and

768
00:36:01,902 --> 00:36:04,261
Speaker 3: they're like, this is going to go and go and go, right,

769
00:36:04,661 --> 00:36:06,982
Speaker 3: And I was a little bit cynical about it, I

770
00:36:06,982 --> 00:36:08,821
Speaker 3: guess because I've seen it being served to me over

771
00:36:08,822 --> 00:36:10,701
Speaker 3: and over again on net flicks, and I'd heard a

772
00:36:10,701 --> 00:36:13,781
Speaker 3: little bit about it, and then i watched it with Bill,

773
00:36:13,902 --> 00:36:17,781
Speaker 3: and oh my god. The premise, so obviously it's an

774
00:36:17,822 --> 00:36:23,821
Speaker 3: animated movie. It is ambiguously sort of americanized. It's about

775
00:36:23,902 --> 00:36:27,502
Speaker 3: K pop, obviously, and the premises that the world is

776
00:36:27,542 --> 00:36:30,341
Speaker 3: saved from demons, always by a girl group, and over

777
00:36:30,382 --> 00:36:33,462
Speaker 3: the eras the girl groups just reinvent and this explains

778
00:36:33,462 --> 00:36:35,622
Speaker 3: a lot about the Spice Girls. I think you know

779
00:36:35,982 --> 00:36:38,182
Speaker 3: that there's always a girl group who's saving us all

780
00:36:38,502 --> 00:36:41,821
Speaker 3: from being eaten by demons. And the King Demon decides, well,

781
00:36:41,862 --> 00:36:44,301
Speaker 3: who better to beat the girl group who's saving the

782
00:36:44,342 --> 00:36:45,022
Speaker 3: world than a.

783
00:36:44,942 --> 00:36:46,582
Speaker 4: Boy group, A demon boy group.

784
00:36:46,622 --> 00:36:50,542
Speaker 3: A demon boy group are so attracted, Oh my goodness,

785
00:36:50,902 --> 00:36:53,582
Speaker 3: and so they send the demon boy group to Earth

786
00:36:53,701 --> 00:36:55,782
Speaker 3: to fight with the girl group. Oh my, And it's

787
00:36:55,942 --> 00:36:59,982
Speaker 3: just so fun so funny. And also it's one of

788
00:36:59,982 --> 00:37:02,462
Speaker 3: those shows that I love watching with my kids because

789
00:37:03,181 --> 00:37:06,022
Speaker 3: it's made in the language that they very clearly understand.

790
00:37:06,062 --> 00:37:09,422
Speaker 3: Everything's quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, a million different TikTok visuals.

791
00:37:09,661 --> 00:37:13,342
Speaker 3: The animation is incredibly of the moment and my kids.

792
00:37:13,382 --> 00:37:14,622
Speaker 4: It made me also.

793
00:37:14,382 --> 00:37:16,542
Speaker 3: Realize that a lot of what I watched my kids

794
00:37:17,181 --> 00:37:20,542
Speaker 3: is not any more of American origin. It's much more

795
00:37:20,582 --> 00:37:24,022
Speaker 3: looking towards Asian no question. The food they're into, the makeup,

796
00:37:24,062 --> 00:37:27,422
Speaker 3: they're into, the music, they're into the video games, they're into,

797
00:37:27,622 --> 00:37:31,261
Speaker 3: the animation they're into is much more from Asia. And

798
00:37:31,302 --> 00:37:34,661
Speaker 3: it's really interesting shift. But I just loved it. So

799
00:37:34,741 --> 00:37:38,742
Speaker 3: I'm recommending it Demon Hunters, even if you don't have kids,

800
00:37:39,062 --> 00:37:39,462
Speaker 3: watch it.

801
00:37:39,862 --> 00:37:41,102
Speaker 4: Amelia, what do you have?

802
00:37:41,542 --> 00:37:46,102
Speaker 1: Well, funnily enough, mine is also a Korean origin, so

803
00:37:46,261 --> 00:37:49,182
Speaker 1: it's true what you say, Holly, we are increasingly looking

804
00:37:49,181 --> 00:37:53,701
Speaker 1: to Asia. My recommendation is a K beauty product. I

805
00:37:53,822 --> 00:37:57,102
Speaker 1: just am over spending too much money on makeup and skincare.

806
00:37:57,181 --> 00:38:01,102
Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. Something happened, something snapped in.

807
00:38:01,022 --> 00:38:02,861
Speaker 3: Meh, and you're suddenly like, what am I doing?

808
00:38:02,942 --> 00:38:03,862
Speaker 6: What am I doing?

809
00:38:04,462 --> 00:38:08,542
Speaker 1: And so I've started using almost exclusively K beauty products.

810
00:38:08,701 --> 00:38:12,302
Speaker 1: And I went into because they're more affordable. Because they're

811
00:38:12,302 --> 00:38:15,622
Speaker 1: affordable and they're on the cutting edge. It's sort of like,

812
00:38:15,701 --> 00:38:17,462
Speaker 1: once you get into them, you think, why was I

813
00:38:17,542 --> 00:38:20,622
Speaker 1: ever bothering with the American stuff? Well, actually, Lindsay loves

814
00:38:20,661 --> 00:38:25,542
Speaker 1: the French stuff. So I went into one of the

815
00:38:25,622 --> 00:38:28,462
Speaker 1: CAE beauty stores which have propagated around Australia.

816
00:38:28,542 --> 00:38:31,582
Speaker 6: And you know, sometimes someone tells you something.

817
00:38:31,422 --> 00:38:34,261
Speaker 1: About like the way you're perceived by others, and then

818
00:38:34,302 --> 00:38:37,622
Speaker 1: it changes everything. And so she said to me, you

819
00:38:37,661 --> 00:38:41,582
Speaker 1: can't put oil on your skin. You must put hyaluronic

820
00:38:41,622 --> 00:38:44,622
Speaker 1: acid on for moisture. Some skin types can handle oil

821
00:38:44,701 --> 00:38:47,181
Speaker 1: and some cannot. And that makes so much sense to

822
00:38:47,221 --> 00:38:49,062
Speaker 1: me because every time I put oil on my skin,

823
00:38:49,102 --> 00:38:50,941
Speaker 1: it feels lovely and then I break out the next day.

824
00:38:51,382 --> 00:38:54,142
Speaker 4: Interesting, my skin loves and oil loves and oil.

825
00:38:54,181 --> 00:38:57,301
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just like everyone's every other and

826
00:38:57,342 --> 00:39:01,462
Speaker 1: I'm dehydrated, not dry. So she said, you got to

827
00:39:01,502 --> 00:39:03,582
Speaker 1: use a hyaluronic acid, which I've never wanted to use

828
00:39:03,582 --> 00:39:05,982
Speaker 1: before because it seems boring. It just seems like this

829
00:39:06,062 --> 00:39:09,261
Speaker 1: additional step of moisture when I'm using moisturizer, Like what

830
00:39:09,422 --> 00:39:12,102
Speaker 1: is the point. But then I bought the zerum she

831
00:39:12,102 --> 00:39:15,022
Speaker 1: told me to buy. It's apparently the top selling hyaluronic

832
00:39:15,142 --> 00:39:17,222
Speaker 1: acid serum coming out of k beauty.

833
00:39:17,342 --> 00:39:19,862
Speaker 6: It's from a brand called Torridin I've seen.

834
00:39:19,701 --> 00:39:23,341
Speaker 2: This all over TikTok. Really, yeah, you're in the know.

835
00:39:24,302 --> 00:39:26,022
Speaker 1: Well, the person who's served me was in the know.

836
00:39:26,622 --> 00:39:28,982
Speaker 1: I'm just getting back to the basics. I'm just using

837
00:39:28,982 --> 00:39:31,222
Speaker 1: this serum twice a day and it costs me twenty

838
00:39:31,261 --> 00:39:35,221
Speaker 1: five dollars and that so good, feels so good to use.

839
00:39:37,022 --> 00:39:39,862
Speaker 3: I do. Actually, yeah, I do. Although to be honest,

840
00:39:39,902 --> 00:39:41,102
Speaker 3: I don't need any more skin.

841
00:39:43,102 --> 00:39:45,862
Speaker 4: It is my self soothing reflex.

842
00:39:45,902 --> 00:39:48,382
Speaker 3: When I'm having any kind of feeling, I like, I'm like,

843
00:39:48,701 --> 00:39:51,901
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a cream for that.

844
00:39:51,862 --> 00:39:55,142
Speaker 4: But yes, you're right, I should. Also, it's fun to It.

845
00:39:55,102 --> 00:39:58,182
Speaker 1: Is fun, and it's lower stakes because the prices are less.

846
00:39:58,382 --> 00:40:00,661
Speaker 4: Okay, are you ready for my recommendation?

847
00:40:00,781 --> 00:40:00,981
Speaker 1: Yeah?

848
00:40:01,062 --> 00:40:04,062
Speaker 2: I really am so oh we manifest as you don't know.

849
00:40:04,142 --> 00:40:07,701
Speaker 2: It's been really hard dating wise. I've been going through it.

850
00:40:08,462 --> 00:40:10,701
Speaker 2: There's this Instagram accoun that I followed for a very

851
00:40:10,781 --> 00:40:13,062
Speaker 2: very long time that a lot of my friends follow

852
00:40:13,142 --> 00:40:14,861
Speaker 2: as well, and I can't believe I haven't talked about

853
00:40:14,862 --> 00:40:17,022
Speaker 2: it because it's the only Instagram account where I have

854
00:40:17,142 --> 00:40:20,181
Speaker 2: the post notifications turned on for so every time they post,

855
00:40:20,221 --> 00:40:21,942
Speaker 2: I'm the first person to see it.

856
00:40:21,942 --> 00:40:25,661
Speaker 4: It's called hot Dudes. Reading tell me.

857
00:40:25,822 --> 00:40:29,381
Speaker 2: It has over a million followers, and it's literally what

858
00:40:29,422 --> 00:40:31,422
Speaker 2: it does is post photos and what it says in

859
00:40:31,462 --> 00:40:34,662
Speaker 2: the title of hot men reading books out in public

860
00:40:34,822 --> 00:40:35,221
Speaker 2: and you.

861
00:40:35,221 --> 00:40:37,622
Speaker 1: Literally have a notification for this, so you're like in

862
00:40:37,661 --> 00:40:39,901
Speaker 1: the middle of a podcast record, but it pops up.

863
00:40:40,142 --> 00:40:42,741
Speaker 2: I could be on Do Not Disturb, I could be

864
00:40:42,741 --> 00:40:46,742
Speaker 2: on aeroplane mode. I will get that notification and it.

865
00:40:46,661 --> 00:40:48,782
Speaker 4: Just brings me so much joy.

866
00:40:49,142 --> 00:40:53,261
Speaker 3: But it's building false hope because all the stats say

867
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Speaker 3: that men aren't reading anymore, which also explains why it's

868
00:40:57,181 --> 00:41:01,221
Speaker 3: so exciting to see a hot man reading a book

869
00:41:01,261 --> 00:41:02,781
Speaker 3: on a train. They're always on trains.

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Speaker 2: They're always on trains, are always in cafes, and it's

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Speaker 2: also wearing cable it sweaters and sometimes sometimes one of

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Speaker 2: their famous like Pedro Pascal, he's like on a train

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Speaker 2: reading before he got really really famous. But also their

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Speaker 2: captions are perfect. So the latest post they did was

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Speaker 2: a guy in Hamburg and he was just at a

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Speaker 2: pub reading a book, drinking a beer. Simple stuff and

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00:41:23,582 --> 00:41:27,381
Speaker 2: the caption reads, only in Hamburg's Red light district could

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Speaker 2: a fully clothed man inspire thoughts this filthy? He's nursing

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00:41:31,302 --> 00:41:33,502
Speaker 2: that bottle like someone who loves the build up and

880
00:41:33,582 --> 00:41:36,701
Speaker 2: knows the payoff. HiT's harder when you don't rush. I'm

881
00:41:36,701 --> 00:41:38,902
Speaker 2: not sure what's colder, that beer in his hand or

882
00:41:38,902 --> 00:41:41,022
Speaker 2: the chill down my spine thinking about what else he

883
00:41:41,022 --> 00:41:44,622
Speaker 2: could save us? Slowly, you know what this is?

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00:41:44,701 --> 00:41:46,661
Speaker 3: So this is such a hot tip. I know there

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Speaker 3: are lots of men listening, lots of single men listening.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think if there are single men listening

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00:41:52,661 --> 00:41:55,181
Speaker 2: and you know a single man and you haven't set

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00:41:55,221 --> 00:41:57,902
Speaker 2: me up with him, out louders, please.

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Speaker 3: Please, but tell them to put a book in their pocket.

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Speaker 3: I was on a plane recently with my friend Lucy,

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Speaker 3: and we were going somewhere and there was this guy

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Speaker 3: sitting opposite and he didn't have a bag with him,

893
00:42:10,701 --> 00:42:13,821
Speaker 3: didn't have carry on, and he was like he was like.

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Speaker 6: Medium that's hot in itself.

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Speaker 4: He was sort of medium hot.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't want to be objectify him, and I'm

897
00:42:21,342 --> 00:42:24,022
Speaker 3: not pretending I'm like mega hot writting, but like he

898
00:42:24,142 --> 00:42:24,982
Speaker 3: was medium hot.

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Speaker 4: But then he reached into his jacket.

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Speaker 3: Pocket and he pulled out a small Penguin paperback and.

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Speaker 4: He just and we were flying.

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Speaker 6: It does it?

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Speaker 3: That was The only problem is I couldn't see what

904
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Speaker 3: it was. But we were on a plane to Perth,

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Speaker 3: which is a long way. He just sat there and

906
00:42:40,022 --> 00:42:43,622
Speaker 3: he read that book. Me and Lucy were obsessed. I

907
00:42:43,741 --> 00:42:46,982
Speaker 3: was just like, I need to know. I kept trying

908
00:42:46,982 --> 00:42:48,982
Speaker 3: to see what it was, what the book was, and

909
00:42:49,062 --> 00:42:51,782
Speaker 3: also I had like a million questions about m instantly

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00:42:51,781 --> 00:42:52,862
Speaker 3: and I said to Luca, I'm going to put that

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00:42:52,902 --> 00:42:56,102
Speaker 3: guy in a book like this is there is something

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00:42:56,382 --> 00:43:00,102
Speaker 3: so intriguing and attractive about a man who is reading

913
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Speaker 3: in public and he's not on his phone and all

914
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Speaker 3: those things. No wonder this Instagram account is genius.

915
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Speaker 4: I was hotter than that. What is hotter?

916
00:43:07,221 --> 00:43:07,942
Speaker 5: I want to come.

917
00:43:07,862 --> 00:43:11,502
Speaker 1: Full circle and suggest instead of Pete Davidson doesn't want

918
00:43:11,542 --> 00:43:13,741
Speaker 1: people talking about his penis, he gets his head in

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Speaker 1: a book.

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, just walk around with a book at

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Speaker 3: all times. Out Louders, that is all we have time

922
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Speaker 3: for today. A massive thank you to all of you.

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Speaker 3: Oh I want to remind you that these days I've

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Speaker 3: taken over the out Loud newsletter. It's actually literally called

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00:43:31,022 --> 00:43:34,422
Speaker 3: Holly Change. I just use it to talk about what

926
00:43:34,502 --> 00:43:36,901
Speaker 3: I want to talk about. It's like, well things that

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Speaker 3: you guys might not let.

928
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Speaker 4: Me talk about sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Also, all our recommendations are in there, a bit of

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Speaker 3: gossip from behind the scenes, a bit of celebrity gossip

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Speaker 3: that I'm interested in, So please subscribe to that if

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Speaker 3: you'd like to. We'll stick a link in the show notes.

933
00:43:48,822 --> 00:43:51,221
Speaker 3: But friends, thank you as always for being with us

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Speaker 3: all week, and am Amelia please read us out a

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Speaker 3: big thank you to our team group executive producer Rute Devine,

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Speaker 3: executive producers Emmeline Gazillas and Sashatanic.

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Speaker 1: Our senior audio producer is Leah Porgees, and our video

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Speaker 1: producer is Josh Green, and our junior content producers are

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Speaker 1: Cocoa and.

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Speaker 4: Out loud As.

941
00:44:10,582 --> 00:44:12,622
Speaker 2: We know you're not ready to say goodbye, so we

942
00:44:12,701 --> 00:44:14,301
Speaker 2: thought we'd leave you with a little bit of a

943
00:44:14,342 --> 00:44:18,462
Speaker 2: conversation we had on our subscriber episode yesterday. Out louders

944
00:44:18,502 --> 00:44:21,981
Speaker 2: wrote in with their very spicy sex related dilemmas. One

945
00:44:21,982 --> 00:44:24,622
Speaker 2: out louder had a partner who said that he felt

946
00:44:24,701 --> 00:44:27,861
Speaker 2: weird introducing a vibrator to the bedroom. We had kind

947
00:44:27,902 --> 00:44:30,261
Speaker 2: of differing opinions on that. We also shared some of

948
00:44:30,261 --> 00:44:33,142
Speaker 2: our own sexy stories. So look, if you want to

949
00:44:33,181 --> 00:44:35,622
Speaker 2: listen to this, I really recommend you listen by yourself.

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Speaker 2: This is not one for little ears. We'll pop a

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Speaker 2: link in our show notes as usual. If you've been

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Speaker 3: But here's the really good part, right We're going to

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Speaker 2: be part of this, so don't miss out.

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