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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mum with mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: From Mom and MEA Welcome to this spill your daily

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Speaker 2: pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Concenia Lukice

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Speaker 2: And coming up on the show today, a new movie

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Speaker 2: trailer has dropped that we have been desperately waiting for

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Speaker 2: ever since the book came out. So we're going to

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Speaker 2: deep dive on that and why it is so important

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Speaker 2: for the film industry, plus all the young hot actors

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Speaker 2: in it, Like we're only human, We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about it. And Megan Markle has done an extensive new

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Speaker 2: magazine profile. Predictably, she's getting a lot of hate, but

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Speaker 2: there's some smaller moments that mean a lot in the

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Speaker 2: article that we're going to break down. But first, a

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Speaker 2: bit of a celeb love story coming to an end

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Speaker 2: the last couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got who's broken up? Now.

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Speaker 2: I know it's never fun when someone breaks up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we get to talk about it, but you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't love heartbreak for anyone. So Chase Stokes and Kelsey

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Speaker 2: Ballerini have come to an end in kind of a

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Speaker 2: public way. Neither of them have one hundred percent said,

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Speaker 2: we have broken up, but Chase has posted some interesting

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Speaker 2: stuff to his Instagram story, so if you have to

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Speaker 2: cross their love story. Chase Stokes is the star of

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Speaker 2: Outer Banks, you know, the sexy teen treasure hunting series

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Speaker 2: on Netflix that's only coming into its final season now.

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Speaker 3: Madelineklines and that too, right, because I don't know much about.

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Speaker 1: Chase and Kelsey and their careers.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's fine, Like you have a real life. You

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Speaker 2: don't have to know about all these teens dating. I mean,

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Speaker 2: So Chase Stokes and Madeline client interesting that you bring

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Speaker 2: her up dated for many years while they were the

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Speaker 2: stars of that show. And what's quite cute about that

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Speaker 2: is that they had quite a public relationship together while

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Speaker 2: they were on the biggest teen TV show at the world,

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Speaker 2: which kind of happens with a lot of teen TV shows,

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Speaker 2: I think, especially like you're on location, you're together, like

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Speaker 2: you've just been thrust into the spotlight with this huge show,

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Speaker 2: like of course you're going to date.

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Speaker 4: Your co star.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting, though, is that when they had their breakup,

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Speaker 2: they posted quite lovely things about each other. They were

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a bit of heartbreak and tension

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes. There were rumors about that, but their

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Speaker 2: whole thing, they're so cute. They were just like, we

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Speaker 2: this stuff. So then people were like kind of when

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Speaker 2: they had their breakup, even more enamored with them of

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Speaker 2: how they handled it, especially because there's all this other

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Speaker 2: like them while that was happening, was a huge thing.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, then we have Kelsey Ballerini, who

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Speaker 2: She's coming to Australia soon to tour, and she came

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Speaker 2: then she and Chase met and had this really cute

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Speaker 2: the heartache we've been through together has brought us to

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Speaker 4: And they'd walk red.

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Speaker 2: Carpets together, and he would always be at her concert

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Speaker 2: every dance move, filming her on stage like super supportive

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how.

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Speaker 3: There's that theory though, when people are super super PDA,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit like that because their breakup was pretty public. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've got a social media breakup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean it's kind of two different sides

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Speaker 2: And it's that whole parasocial relationship thing have like, And

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Speaker 2: it was such a good story. Whenever they talked about

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Speaker 2: each other, everyone was like, this is the story coming

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Speaker 2: out of heartbreak. And then a few weeks ago there

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Speaker 2: were rumors that they had broken up and that they

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Speaker 4: I was like, there's always rumors that people are breaking up,

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Speaker 4: Like there's so many rumors at the moment that Kylie

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Speaker 2: And then also it'll just come out of the blue,

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Speaker 2: never know what to think. And then Kelsey and Chase

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Speaker 2: done that thing. It looks like where they've had different

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Speaker 2: which is a very traditional way of celebs breaking up. Now,

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Speaker 2: the untraditional thing is that Chase grown men that he is,

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Speaker 2: but also, like I said, they're both in their thirties,

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Speaker 2: but it's like watching two teens breakup. Okay, because he wrote,

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Speaker 2: don't believe the media, So I'm seeing he means the

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Speaker 2: media who recently wrote about their breakup. And then he

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Speaker 2: said I'm blocked. I did nothing wrong. Sorry, I tried.

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Speaker 4: And then he posted a second time and said I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry for those who believed in us. It is what

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting that you said that, because when I

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Speaker 1: Like they're in their thirties, it does.

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Speaker 1: So he's got that teen you know, he's still in

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, he's like the Graace musical, like everybody

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so maybe he's still in that teen mindset because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, an interesting choe.

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Speaker 2: I just think he's super online at the moment, and

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Speaker 2: I think he's so aware of what fans are saying,

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Speaker 2: and their breakup under Kelsey Ballerini's instapost and he was

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Speaker 2: post this. So he's so across that what they're saying.

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Speaker 2: But to say I'm blocked. So I'm assuming he's saying

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Speaker 2: to the world unsure why. It's kind of like watching

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Speaker 2: It's like that, but they're not influencers. They're like a

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Speaker 3: It's almost like he's trying to get people on his

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like the two camps when someone breaks up.

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Speaker 3: When any couple breaks up, there's always going to be

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Speaker 1: And that was very evident.

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Speaker 3: I was scrolling through the comments on his latest post,

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Speaker 1: You're amazing. I can't believe you did that to her,

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Speaker 1: Like all of this back and forth. But it's just

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Speaker 3: Parasocial relationship that people with celebrities is so much more obvious.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I'm blocked. He must be saying that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she's blocked him. So he's I guess, trying to say,

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Speaker 2: like I'm trying to post publicly to get in touch

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Speaker 2: to say like it is what it is, I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: for everyone who believed in us. Also makes me think

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Speaker 2: guess he's tepping into that. But yeah, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: I feel like something bigger happened behind the scene.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's just the long distance thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's not easy potentially.

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Speaker 2: So there's an anonymous source talk to US Weekly, which

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Speaker 2: they say is someone placed in Kelsey Bellerina's camp that

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Speaker 2: with Chase, but at the end of the day there

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Speaker 2: were trust issues. So her camp is saying trust issues.

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Speaker 2: He's saying, I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 4: I tried. Make of that what you will.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been such a long time since we've

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Speaker 2: had a celeb breakup. Who I know that not top

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Speaker 2: she's like an international music icon. It's so long since

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Speaker 2: we've had a celebrity breakup kind of like play out

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Speaker 4: I VI Instagram stories. So it's old school.

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Speaker 3: It is quite old school. Well, she'ld be in Australia

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Speaker 3: at the beginning of December. Yeah, so maybe we'll get

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Speaker 3: some like good breakup songs.

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Speaker 4: I think she'll say some stuff on stage about it.

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Speaker 1: I oinkay.

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Speaker 4: Well, she's a bit chatty to.

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Speaker 1: The crowds, so hate you guys.

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Speaker 2: Hope she's have the time after a breakup, Kelsey have

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Speaker 2: a fun time in Australia.

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Speaker 3: So we have our very first look at the brand

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Speaker 3: new Hunger Games movie, and it's called Hunger Games Sunrise

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Speaker 3: on the Reaping, and it's based on Hamich's game.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Then Real Love District twelve. And I think these

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Speaker 3: So if you're familiar with the game story, obviously Hamich,

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Speaker 3: who is played by Woody Harrelson in the movies, this

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Speaker 3: is his games. So it is the fiftieth Hunger Games,

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Speaker 3: which is the second quarter Quell. Now, if you're not

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Speaker 3: across the Suzanne Collins universe, this may not mean anything

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Speaker 3: to you, but I feel like most people know what's

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Speaker 3: going on with this. People are super excited about this one.

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Speaker 1: He's really good. I think that's great casting.

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Speaker 3: So this franchise, really, more so than any other franchise,

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Speaker 3: That's such a big difference because Twilight's become very cheesy

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Speaker 3: of like straddling young adult and adult. You know, it's

437
00:18:44,554 --> 00:18:47,434
Speaker 3: dark enough to appeal to like an adult, but still

438
00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:50,394
Speaker 3: has that young adult storyline. Because if you compare it

439
00:18:50,394 --> 00:18:53,674
Speaker 3: to something like Divergent, that divergen series which with Shale

440
00:18:53,674 --> 00:18:56,114
Speaker 3: Woodley was in that I read all those books when

441
00:18:56,154 --> 00:18:57,793
Speaker 3: I was a little bit younger, they don't have as

442
00:18:57,874 --> 00:18:59,074
Speaker 3: much like meat to them.

443
00:18:59,074 --> 00:19:01,354
Speaker 1: They're like a bit too level.

444
00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:03,354
Speaker 2: That is I think one of the best examples of

445
00:19:03,394 --> 00:19:05,793
Speaker 2: how like a franchise that has all that money and

446
00:19:05,794 --> 00:19:08,313
Speaker 2: that huge best seller behind it compete her out and

447
00:19:08,354 --> 00:19:10,394
Speaker 2: I'm still to the lay I'm still.

448
00:19:10,234 --> 00:19:10,634
Speaker 4: To this day.

449
00:19:10,754 --> 00:19:13,874
Speaker 2: So sad this happened because they never made the last movie. No,

450
00:19:14,074 --> 00:19:16,354
Speaker 2: it was left just on a cliffhanger. And Shaylle Woodley

451
00:19:16,354 --> 00:19:17,874
Speaker 2: said she was on a plane and she got off

452
00:19:17,874 --> 00:19:19,434
Speaker 2: and she had a phone turned off, so you go

453
00:19:19,434 --> 00:19:21,313
Speaker 2: off the plane and her phone was blowing up with

454
00:19:21,354 --> 00:19:24,354
Speaker 2: messages saying, oh, they've just announced that your Divergent movie

455
00:19:24,434 --> 00:19:26,234
Speaker 2: is on happening, but we're gonna make it into a

456
00:19:26,274 --> 00:19:28,234
Speaker 2: TV show. And she was like, I didn't sign on

457
00:19:28,274 --> 00:19:30,194
Speaker 2: for a TV show. I'm not doing that, And so

458
00:19:30,474 --> 00:19:32,273
Speaker 2: it just kind of all got left. And then there

459
00:19:32,274 --> 00:19:35,154
Speaker 2: are a few massive franchises like The Mortal Instruments and

460
00:19:35,234 --> 00:19:36,634
Speaker 2: all went on to be a TV show. But like

461
00:19:36,874 --> 00:19:38,714
Speaker 2: they tried to make that into a blockbuster and it

462
00:19:38,754 --> 00:19:40,194
Speaker 2: never got off the ground, even.

463
00:19:39,954 --> 00:19:41,154
Speaker 1: Tomorrow when the war began.

464
00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:43,994
Speaker 3: Yeah remember that, Like they did a first movie with

465
00:19:44,074 --> 00:19:46,634
Speaker 3: Phoebe Tonkin in it, and then they just never continue.

466
00:19:46,634 --> 00:19:48,394
Speaker 3: I know that's such a smaller one, but that was

467
00:19:48,474 --> 00:19:50,074
Speaker 3: still that dystopian universe.

468
00:19:50,234 --> 00:19:52,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you think of the book has really set

469
00:19:52,474 --> 00:19:54,914
Speaker 2: up to be You've got the built in fandom that

470
00:19:54,954 --> 00:19:57,553
Speaker 2: it'll translate to the movies. But now it feels like

471
00:19:57,594 --> 00:20:01,474
Speaker 2: turning a young adult series, a dystopian series in particular,

472
00:20:01,594 --> 00:20:04,834
Speaker 2: into a movie franchise feels really risky, where it used

473
00:20:04,834 --> 00:20:06,914
Speaker 2: to feel like the safest bet, Like that's why there

474
00:20:06,954 --> 00:20:09,274
Speaker 2: was splitting books into two and trying to figure out

475
00:20:09,474 --> 00:20:11,594
Speaker 2: different movies because they were just like that was all

476
00:20:11,634 --> 00:20:14,074
Speaker 2: a big money grab to make sure that they had

477
00:20:14,074 --> 00:20:15,714
Speaker 2: to hit at the box office, and for a while

478
00:20:15,754 --> 00:20:18,874
Speaker 2: it worked, and now it feels like a massive gamble

479
00:20:19,194 --> 00:20:21,594
Speaker 2: unless it's The Hunger Games. Yeah, for some reason, that

480
00:20:21,674 --> 00:20:24,033
Speaker 2: is the one franchise that people will still turn up

481
00:20:24,034 --> 00:20:26,394
Speaker 2: and see, which I feel like this movie is going

482
00:20:26,434 --> 00:20:28,553
Speaker 2: to be, Like it's been a really bad year at

483
00:20:28,554 --> 00:20:30,754
Speaker 2: the box office overall, like a lot of big movies

484
00:20:30,794 --> 00:20:33,914
Speaker 2: have come completely tanked. Wicked is the only thing at

485
00:20:33,914 --> 00:20:36,434
Speaker 2: the moment, Wicked for good that's exceeding expectations. But I

486
00:20:36,434 --> 00:20:38,834
Speaker 2: feel like Sunrise on the Reaping will be one of

487
00:20:38,874 --> 00:20:41,353
Speaker 2: those big moments where like it the passes what they

488
00:20:41,394 --> 00:20:42,834
Speaker 2: think it's going to make at the box office, which

489
00:20:42,834 --> 00:20:44,674
Speaker 2: would be wild, especially for a teen movie. Now.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Josh hudginesson't have said the same thing

491
00:20:47,354 --> 00:20:49,754
Speaker 3: as Jennifer Lawrence. He said, I definitely would return too,

492
00:20:49,954 --> 00:20:50,474
Speaker 3: so it's.

493
00:20:50,354 --> 00:20:51,874
Speaker 1: Clearly that he was there.

494
00:20:52,154 --> 00:20:55,513
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, he's la Yeah, I know he's on

495
00:20:55,554 --> 00:20:56,754
Speaker 2: a lot of good stuff, but I'm just saying he

496
00:20:56,834 --> 00:20:58,994
Speaker 2: that is his biggest role, one hundred percent for sure,

497
00:20:59,034 --> 00:21:00,114
Speaker 2: so of course he would go back.

498
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Speaker 3: Well, it's not going to be out until November twenty

499
00:21:03,114 --> 00:21:04,834
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, which is okay.

500
00:21:04,994 --> 00:21:06,434
Speaker 2: I feel like I can. I feel like now I've

501
00:21:06,434 --> 00:21:08,874
Speaker 2: had that first of the trailer. Also, I would say

502
00:21:08,874 --> 00:21:10,914
Speaker 2: everyone read the book. If you're having the book is incredible.

503
00:21:11,074 --> 00:21:13,474
Speaker 2: I feel you should read a book first before seeing

504
00:21:13,474 --> 00:21:15,954
Speaker 2: a movie, just so you've got the way the story

505
00:21:15,994 --> 00:21:17,594
Speaker 2: is meant to be experienced. But also if you don't

506
00:21:17,594 --> 00:21:18,994
Speaker 2: read it you go into the movie, you'd be shocked.

507
00:21:19,034 --> 00:21:19,234
Speaker 4: Though.

508
00:21:19,594 --> 00:21:22,234
Speaker 1: If you don't read the book first, that's terrible.

509
00:21:22,794 --> 00:21:24,273
Speaker 4: Really, I would say it's terrible.

510
00:21:24,314 --> 00:21:25,634
Speaker 1: I am a big believer.

511
00:21:25,714 --> 00:21:28,513
Speaker 3: If this source material is there, you should read the

512
00:21:28,514 --> 00:21:30,914
Speaker 3: book first because you get so much more from it.

513
00:21:30,994 --> 00:21:32,274
Speaker 1: Like you do get it.

514
00:21:32,394 --> 00:21:34,594
Speaker 2: You do get more from it, but you can really

515
00:21:34,634 --> 00:21:37,554
Speaker 2: only experience the story for the first time with either

516
00:21:37,554 --> 00:21:39,874
Speaker 2: book or movie. So I understand why sometimes people wait

517
00:21:39,914 --> 00:21:41,394
Speaker 2: for the movie, but yeah, I would always be a

518
00:21:41,394 --> 00:21:41,954
Speaker 2: book first.

519
00:21:42,514 --> 00:21:45,434
Speaker 3: One hundred percent book first, Harry Potter. I won't let

520
00:21:45,474 --> 00:21:47,674
Speaker 3: any of my kids watch any of the Harry Potter

521
00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:48,794
Speaker 3: movies until they've read the books.

522
00:21:48,834 --> 00:21:50,714
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so fair. Well, the Harry Potter movies aren't great,

523
00:21:50,714 --> 00:21:56,194
Speaker 2: We'll save that for another So last week, Megan Markle's

524
00:21:56,314 --> 00:21:59,394
Speaker 2: new Harper's Bizarre cover and cover story came out into

525
00:21:59,434 --> 00:22:02,554
Speaker 2: the world, and we were gifted with this very, very

526
00:22:02,594 --> 00:22:05,314
Speaker 2: long form interview with a journalist who had spent many

527
00:22:05,314 --> 00:22:07,394
Speaker 2: different moments with Megan to try and get this new

528
00:22:07,434 --> 00:22:10,434
Speaker 2: insight into her life and all the beautiful photos that

529
00:22:10,474 --> 00:22:12,634
Speaker 2: came with it. So, of course there was that side

530
00:22:12,674 --> 00:22:14,954
Speaker 2: where people were celebrating it and they loved it, and

531
00:22:14,954 --> 00:22:17,034
Speaker 2: they loved the glamour of it and what the access

532
00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:20,154
Speaker 2: they got to her, and very predictably, there was also

533
00:22:20,354 --> 00:22:22,794
Speaker 2: a large amount of people who were tearing it apart,

534
00:22:22,834 --> 00:22:25,914
Speaker 2: who had a lot of criticism with not just the

535
00:22:26,034 --> 00:22:28,434
Speaker 2: article but with the photo. So let's start with the cover,

536
00:22:28,554 --> 00:22:31,714
Speaker 2: because that was riling keypup. Did you see what people

537
00:22:31,714 --> 00:22:32,313
Speaker 2: were saying about it?

538
00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:36,794
Speaker 3: Yeah, people seem to really really dislike the series of images,

539
00:22:37,034 --> 00:22:39,994
Speaker 3: particularly the cover. So basically, on the cover, she's wearing

540
00:22:40,034 --> 00:22:42,514
Speaker 3: like a black blazer with a sort of satin bow

541
00:22:42,594 --> 00:22:44,994
Speaker 3: that's tied up at the front, and trousers and she's

542
00:22:45,034 --> 00:22:47,834
Speaker 3: sitting on like a stool with a sort of soft

543
00:22:47,914 --> 00:22:52,714
Speaker 3: gray background. So the photographer is Malik Bodian. It's just

544
00:22:52,754 --> 00:22:56,154
Speaker 3: a really simple it's a very quote unquote fashion cover.

545
00:22:56,634 --> 00:22:58,553
Speaker 3: This is something that you would definitely see in like

546
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Speaker 3: a you know, high fashion magazine. Very very minimal makeup,

547
00:23:02,714 --> 00:23:06,754
Speaker 3: very minimal hair. It's really super stripped back. But people

548
00:23:06,914 --> 00:23:09,794
Speaker 3: in the comments are like tearing it to streads. Oh

549
00:23:09,834 --> 00:23:12,513
Speaker 3: my gosh, hair and makeup? People do they get lost?

550
00:23:12,634 --> 00:23:15,674
Speaker 3: Is everybody blind? What the hell are these photos? I

551
00:23:15,714 --> 00:23:18,313
Speaker 3: actually think they're quite beautiful. I think they're quite like

552
00:23:18,594 --> 00:23:20,234
Speaker 3: chic and pared back.

553
00:23:20,714 --> 00:23:21,434
Speaker 1: I think that.

554
00:23:21,394 --> 00:23:24,994
Speaker 3: Kind of really fits in with the way that Megan

555
00:23:25,074 --> 00:23:27,154
Speaker 3: wants to be seen, you know. It's kind of like

556
00:23:27,314 --> 00:23:29,954
Speaker 3: chilled and relaxed and just a little bit more sort

557
00:23:29,994 --> 00:23:30,714
Speaker 3: of pared back.

558
00:23:31,074 --> 00:23:31,394
Speaker 4: Yeah.

559
00:23:31,474 --> 00:23:35,154
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very minimalist cover against just the gray background

560
00:23:35,274 --> 00:23:36,714
Speaker 2: that was the main cover, and I think it was

561
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Speaker 2: maybe a digital one where she's in a red dress

562
00:23:38,754 --> 00:23:40,514
Speaker 2: like the one shoulder, so that's a bit more striking,

563
00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:43,474
Speaker 2: but it's still on that very sparse gray cover with

564
00:23:43,674 --> 00:23:46,154
Speaker 2: just the background. One half of me when I saw

565
00:23:46,154 --> 00:23:48,354
Speaker 2: people tearing about the cover is like, that is just

566
00:23:48,354 --> 00:23:51,194
Speaker 2: what people do now with magazine covers, because there's this

567
00:23:51,234 --> 00:23:55,074
Speaker 2: whole conversation about mad covers playing it way too safe

568
00:23:55,154 --> 00:23:58,513
Speaker 2: and everyone leaning into this very minimalist look, and like

569
00:23:58,794 --> 00:24:00,874
Speaker 2: no one's allowed to put an artistic photo on the

570
00:24:00,914 --> 00:24:03,514
Speaker 2: cover because they're worried that the normal plubs won't buy

571
00:24:03,554 --> 00:24:05,793
Speaker 2: it if they use something artsy. And then when you

572
00:24:05,874 --> 00:24:07,793
Speaker 2: have someone try and go a little bit ARTSI like

573
00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:11,034
Speaker 2: Timothy Chalamagne's recent Vogue cover, which that was a whole

574
00:24:11,074 --> 00:24:13,314
Speaker 2: other story, and then people saying like this looks ridiculous.

575
00:24:13,314 --> 00:24:14,754
Speaker 2: Why would you take him to the desert and then

576
00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:17,234
Speaker 2: make him look like he's in space? I understand, like

577
00:24:17,274 --> 00:24:18,874
Speaker 2: it's not just in this case. It's not just a

578
00:24:18,914 --> 00:24:21,553
Speaker 2: Megan Markle thing, like covers get pulled apart. But I

579
00:24:21,594 --> 00:24:24,794
Speaker 2: think obviously anything that's her face and her name instantly

580
00:24:24,834 --> 00:24:26,874
Speaker 2: gets people in. But I was like, what did you

581
00:24:26,914 --> 00:24:28,793
Speaker 2: expect If she does something really out of the box,

582
00:24:28,874 --> 00:24:31,794
Speaker 2: people will be saying that she's trying too hard, or

583
00:24:31,834 --> 00:24:34,194
Speaker 2: that she's pushing the barrel, like she's kind of looks

584
00:24:34,594 --> 00:24:38,394
Speaker 2: the way she looks in her TV theories or her appearances,

585
00:24:38,434 --> 00:24:41,274
Speaker 2: like she's just looking. She's got her persona on the cover,

586
00:24:41,394 --> 00:24:43,154
Speaker 2: which is also meant to be kind of the thing.

587
00:24:43,274 --> 00:24:45,474
Speaker 3: Can you imagine how much people would rip it apart

588
00:24:45,514 --> 00:24:48,314
Speaker 3: if she was super super glamorous in like full hair

589
00:24:48,354 --> 00:24:50,793
Speaker 3: and makeup. People would start calling her Maria and Tonado

590
00:24:50,834 --> 00:24:53,554
Speaker 3: or something. Yeah, she can't wish.

591
00:24:53,554 --> 00:24:54,634
Speaker 4: She's got to be really careful.

592
00:24:55,034 --> 00:24:57,674
Speaker 3: I have my criticisms about Megan Markle as much as

593
00:24:58,034 --> 00:24:59,434
Speaker 3: a lot of people by the looks of it on

594
00:24:59,434 --> 00:25:03,594
Speaker 3: this bloody comment section. But still she can do nothing right.

595
00:25:03,674 --> 00:25:06,194
Speaker 3: She will always get criticized no matter what she does.

596
00:25:06,354 --> 00:25:08,794
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I should say lots of people love

597
00:25:08,834 --> 00:25:11,474
Speaker 2: the cover. I saw lots of people. I saw heaps

598
00:25:11,474 --> 00:25:13,313
Speaker 2: of comments being like this is beautiful, I'm gonna go

599
00:25:13,354 --> 00:25:15,553
Speaker 2: read this. It's just that it's the whole thing with

600
00:25:15,594 --> 00:25:18,394
Speaker 2: like the negative comments always go louder than the positive ones.

601
00:25:18,914 --> 00:25:21,194
Speaker 2: So when you click into the article or u in

602
00:25:21,274 --> 00:25:24,354
Speaker 2: d buy the physical copy and turn the pages, you'll

603
00:25:24,354 --> 00:25:27,194
Speaker 2: see that it's called Megan's Moment is the title, and

604
00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:30,114
Speaker 2: then the subtitle is After years of being subsumed by

605
00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:33,033
Speaker 2: other people's narratives, The Duchess of Sussex is ready to

606
00:25:33,074 --> 00:25:36,754
Speaker 2: offer her own next chapter. This very magazine speaking like

607
00:25:36,754 --> 00:25:38,714
Speaker 2: it doesn't very well. The thing is like for anyone

608
00:25:38,794 --> 00:25:41,714
Speaker 2: else that just seems like a throwaway comment, But for

609
00:25:41,794 --> 00:25:44,314
Speaker 2: Megan Markle, you know, like with like actresses or like singers,

610
00:25:44,354 --> 00:25:46,154
Speaker 2: it's always like, you know, is ready to do this

611
00:25:46,194 --> 00:25:47,874
Speaker 2: next or is coming out of a shell like this

612
00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:50,474
Speaker 2: is the moment, or all these like kind of buzzy

613
00:25:50,514 --> 00:25:52,674
Speaker 2: words that you put with a celeb profile that don't

614
00:25:52,674 --> 00:25:55,874
Speaker 2: really mean anything. But I do think almost with Mega Markle, like, yeah,

615
00:25:55,874 --> 00:25:57,553
Speaker 2: her story was told by a lot of people for

616
00:25:57,594 --> 00:26:00,914
Speaker 2: other years and she is kind of authoring her next

617
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:03,793
Speaker 2: chapter because she's making her own like documentary scot her

618
00:26:03,794 --> 00:26:07,074
Speaker 2: own company, she's back on social I really want to

619
00:26:07,114 --> 00:26:09,554
Speaker 2: book from her. I haven't heard whispers of that anywhere,

620
00:26:09,554 --> 00:26:11,474
Speaker 2: but I just think that would be like the next

621
00:26:11,554 --> 00:26:13,714
Speaker 2: kind of big blockbuster step for her to really own

622
00:26:13,754 --> 00:26:14,754
Speaker 2: her stories, for her to.

623
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Speaker 4: Write a memoir. So maybe there's a bit more truth

624
00:26:16,954 --> 00:26:18,434
Speaker 4: to this than just a mag buzzword.

625
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Speaker 3: My issue with that particular headline is that they left

626
00:26:21,954 --> 00:26:26,194
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and we've had the Oprah interview. We've

627
00:26:26,234 --> 00:26:28,273
Speaker 3: had spare I know that that was you know, Harry's

628
00:26:28,274 --> 00:26:30,634
Speaker 3: saying that, But she was in there a lot. We've

629
00:26:30,634 --> 00:26:33,034
Speaker 3: had a number of podcast interviews over the last year.

630
00:26:33,034 --> 00:26:34,914
Speaker 3: Like it's not the first time she's speaking out for us.

631
00:26:34,954 --> 00:26:37,914
Speaker 3: Like the way that it sounds is that is like

632
00:26:37,994 --> 00:26:40,394
Speaker 3: she hasn't done this before, but I feel like we've

633
00:26:40,394 --> 00:26:41,994
Speaker 3: been getting that for the last five years.

634
00:26:42,034 --> 00:26:44,914
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but they're saying her next chapter whatever is

635
00:26:44,954 --> 00:26:47,794
Speaker 2: coming after that. So it's also really interesting where this

636
00:26:47,914 --> 00:26:50,634
Speaker 2: article starts from her love profile page. Yeah, oh, this

637
00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:52,274
Speaker 2: is the thing. Some people are like, oh, it's so long,

638
00:26:52,274 --> 00:26:53,794
Speaker 2: it's too long for me to read. I'm like, girl,

639
00:26:53,834 --> 00:26:56,234
Speaker 2: hook that to my veins. I want every word of this.

640
00:26:56,634 --> 00:26:59,634
Speaker 2: Not that she says anything super crazy, because again, she

641
00:26:59,674 --> 00:27:02,593
Speaker 2: can't really say anything because she's getting ripped apart from

642
00:27:02,674 --> 00:27:04,394
Speaker 2: just being in a nice photo. So can you imagine

643
00:27:04,394 --> 00:27:06,114
Speaker 2: if she actually told us what she thought of how

644
00:27:06,114 --> 00:27:08,634
Speaker 2: people would treat her. But it's more like the little

645
00:27:08,634 --> 00:27:10,994
Speaker 2: bits in between how the author describes her and how

646
00:27:11,034 --> 00:27:13,314
Speaker 2: all her different like friends and colleagues in the story

647
00:27:13,354 --> 00:27:16,194
Speaker 2: describe her. So it's really interesting that the article starts

648
00:27:16,194 --> 00:27:18,154
Speaker 2: at the Librea tar pits. You know in La there

649
00:27:18,274 --> 00:27:22,394
Speaker 2: tar pits where the animals wake. Yeah, it's the whole thing, like.

650
00:27:22,394 --> 00:27:24,154
Speaker 1: The dinosaurs and stuff got stuck and.

651
00:27:24,514 --> 00:27:25,274
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

652
00:27:25,354 --> 00:27:28,114
Speaker 2: So it's like it's like an active fossil dig site

653
00:27:28,274 --> 00:27:31,114
Speaker 2: around the Natural History Museum in Los Angeles. And the

654
00:27:31,154 --> 00:27:33,114
Speaker 2: reason they're there is that there's a group of girls

655
00:27:33,114 --> 00:27:36,833
Speaker 2: there from a local STEM academy and Megan Markle is

656
00:27:36,874 --> 00:27:40,434
Speaker 2: there to surprise them. So again I see people rolling

657
00:27:40,434 --> 00:27:42,074
Speaker 2: their eyes and being like, oh, she always wants to

658
00:27:42,074 --> 00:27:45,434
Speaker 2: look like such a do gooder. And again I'm just like,

659
00:27:45,514 --> 00:27:47,634
Speaker 2: if she had invited the journalists to her house, which

660
00:27:47,634 --> 00:27:49,194
Speaker 2: she can't do because she won't even let her house

661
00:27:49,234 --> 00:27:51,994
Speaker 2: be shown on TV because people go crazy. If they

662
00:27:52,034 --> 00:27:54,234
Speaker 2: had done anything else, it would have been read in

663
00:27:54,274 --> 00:27:57,513
Speaker 2: a particular way. So yes, she's positioning herself as the

664
00:27:57,594 --> 00:27:59,954
Speaker 2: champion of these girls in STEM, and like a lot

665
00:27:59,954 --> 00:28:02,234
Speaker 2: of the top of the article is her interacting with

666
00:28:02,274 --> 00:28:04,154
Speaker 2: all these young girls and how like happy they are

667
00:28:04,194 --> 00:28:06,474
Speaker 2: to see her there, and her talking about the importance

668
00:28:06,514 --> 00:28:08,434
Speaker 2: of educating and she's like, I don't know how anyone

669
00:28:08,474 --> 00:28:10,354
Speaker 2: could look at a young girl and not see themselves

670
00:28:10,354 --> 00:28:12,914
Speaker 2: in there, and not want to help them. So it

671
00:28:13,034 --> 00:28:15,114
Speaker 2: is kind of like, whether you believe it or not,

672
00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:17,794
Speaker 2: of that's what she's interested in, and I do believe

673
00:28:17,794 --> 00:28:19,994
Speaker 2: it's what she's interested in. But at the same time,

674
00:28:20,194 --> 00:28:22,834
Speaker 2: you have to really pick how you want your brand

675
00:28:22,874 --> 00:28:26,073
Speaker 2: presented to the world. And that is very indicative of

676
00:28:26,114 --> 00:28:28,194
Speaker 2: how she wants people to see her, because that's how

677
00:28:28,234 --> 00:28:30,594
Speaker 2: she chose to have her And you know that her

678
00:28:30,594 --> 00:28:32,234
Speaker 2: team and the half as a bizarre team want to be

679
00:28:32,274 --> 00:28:34,114
Speaker 2: back and forth, back and forth, like the logistics of

680
00:28:34,194 --> 00:28:36,474
Speaker 2: something like this would have been months and months and

681
00:28:36,474 --> 00:28:38,554
Speaker 2: months in the making. That that's how she wanted to

682
00:28:38,594 --> 00:28:38,954
Speaker 2: be seen.

683
00:28:39,114 --> 00:28:41,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, the best part about these profile piaces is the

684
00:28:41,794 --> 00:28:44,274
Speaker 3: in between moments is that, like I love it when

685
00:28:44,274 --> 00:28:46,434
Speaker 3: the author discussed sometimes they go really over the top

686
00:28:46,434 --> 00:28:49,474
Speaker 3: when they start describing what's going on. So Caitlyn greened

687
00:28:49,554 --> 00:28:52,794
Speaker 3: you wrote the article. She has these like very interesting

688
00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:56,474
Speaker 3: little descriptive descriptive notes. So we started the Librea tar pits.

689
00:28:56,514 --> 00:28:58,994
Speaker 3: So that's our first moment, our first little sprinkling. We've

690
00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:01,834
Speaker 3: got Meghan Mark all the do Gooda and then we've

691
00:29:01,954 --> 00:29:05,114
Speaker 3: got Meghan Mark all the chip Eater, so we've got.

692
00:29:04,914 --> 00:29:08,274
Speaker 2: A huge pot of detail, Caitlyn out doing the lord's work.

693
00:29:08,314 --> 00:29:10,674
Speaker 4: Give that woman a pulitzerprice for journalism.

694
00:29:10,914 --> 00:29:12,474
Speaker 1: So she orders a tofu bowl.

695
00:29:12,554 --> 00:29:15,074
Speaker 3: But then when the waiter comes to try and take

696
00:29:15,114 --> 00:29:17,394
Speaker 3: the chips away that the other people had ordered the

697
00:29:17,394 --> 00:29:19,354
Speaker 3: burger and chips, she wants to keep them so she.

698
00:29:19,314 --> 00:29:19,914
Speaker 1: Can eat the chips.

699
00:29:19,914 --> 00:29:23,594
Speaker 3: So then we're getting like this, she's relatable, relatable queen.

700
00:29:24,354 --> 00:29:25,954
Speaker 2: You don't think she wanted to eat the chips, do

701
00:29:25,954 --> 00:29:30,034
Speaker 2: you think, of course she wanted to eat and painting.

702
00:29:30,194 --> 00:29:30,794
Speaker 4: Yes, so they got that.

703
00:29:30,914 --> 00:29:32,594
Speaker 2: Yet again the details and this, like they go to

704
00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:35,594
Speaker 2: this lunch and it's all cute because they've ordered burgers

705
00:29:35,594 --> 00:29:37,474
Speaker 2: and fries for the table, and then like you know,

706
00:29:37,554 --> 00:29:40,274
Speaker 2: can see the journalist is clocking what she orders. If

707
00:29:40,314 --> 00:29:42,114
Speaker 2: that was me, if I was one of those people

708
00:29:42,154 --> 00:29:44,754
Speaker 2: who gets followed around by a journalist for a week

709
00:29:44,874 --> 00:29:47,154
Speaker 2: or so, like they do for these profiles. And you

710
00:29:47,194 --> 00:29:50,754
Speaker 2: sometimes hear, particularly actresses talk about how nerve racking it is.

711
00:29:51,034 --> 00:29:52,914
Speaker 2: I know, Christian Stewett said that she's had a panic

712
00:29:52,914 --> 00:29:54,754
Speaker 2: attack because she's always so worried about like is the

713
00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:57,474
Speaker 2: journalist having fun? How am I holding my body? What

714
00:29:57,514 --> 00:29:59,154
Speaker 2: am I choosing to eat? All this sort of stuff.

715
00:29:59,194 --> 00:30:01,234
Speaker 2: Even Taylor Swift back in the day when she had

716
00:30:01,274 --> 00:30:02,994
Speaker 2: a journalist with her and she was like, oh, drive

717
00:30:03,074 --> 00:30:04,834
Speaker 2: us somewhere, and she had a car accident because she

718
00:30:04,874 --> 00:30:06,714
Speaker 2: was like, you have to be the best driver. Yeah,

719
00:30:06,754 --> 00:30:09,074
Speaker 2: he's gonna it like it's rolling stone. This journalist is

720
00:30:09,074 --> 00:30:11,594
Speaker 2: going to describe how you drive. So I have to

721
00:30:11,674 --> 00:30:13,554
Speaker 2: now be the best driver ever because it's going at

722
00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:15,634
Speaker 2: a profile. And then she like crashes her car. Yeah,

723
00:30:15,634 --> 00:30:18,234
Speaker 2: because you're so nervous. So I feel like in Megan

724
00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:20,354
Speaker 2: Minkle's head, like it feels like she's so breezy, like, oh,

725
00:30:20,394 --> 00:30:21,914
Speaker 2: Burgle's and fries to the table. I might have a

726
00:30:21,914 --> 00:30:23,834
Speaker 2: Tofy bowl, and then her inner monologue would be like,

727
00:30:23,914 --> 00:30:26,194
Speaker 2: oh should I get the Tofi Bowl? Because I wanted

728
00:30:26,194 --> 00:30:27,994
Speaker 2: the bowl, not the burger, Like I feel like I

729
00:30:28,274 --> 00:30:28,914
Speaker 2: had a meltdown.

730
00:30:29,034 --> 00:30:32,554
Speaker 3: I feel like in these celebrity pieces, particularly when like

731
00:30:32,594 --> 00:30:35,114
Speaker 3: they're trying to be quote unquote relatable, the best thing

732
00:30:35,114 --> 00:30:37,114
Speaker 3: you do can do is order a burger and fries,

733
00:30:37,394 --> 00:30:39,834
Speaker 3: because nothing says relatable quane like.

734
00:30:42,034 --> 00:30:42,194
Speaker 4: Eat.

735
00:30:42,634 --> 00:30:43,554
Speaker 1: But then it's kind.

736
00:30:43,434 --> 00:30:46,034
Speaker 3: Of cute because you know, oh, she's spilled, because it

737
00:30:46,034 --> 00:30:47,074
Speaker 3: imagines she bit it and you.

738
00:30:47,034 --> 00:30:47,914
Speaker 1: Spilled tomato sauce.

739
00:30:48,674 --> 00:30:52,514
Speaker 3: She still tomato sauce in her but laughs it off

740
00:30:52,954 --> 00:30:53,154
Speaker 3: and the.

741
00:30:53,234 --> 00:30:55,114
Speaker 2: Order it would have been the headline and gets the

742
00:30:55,154 --> 00:30:58,314
Speaker 2: soda water to wipe off the sauce, Like can't you

743
00:30:58,354 --> 00:30:58,994
Speaker 2: just picture that?

744
00:30:58,994 --> 00:31:00,554
Speaker 1: That's exactly what they would.

745
00:31:00,314 --> 00:31:02,914
Speaker 2: Have been, exactly, I think anyone else the Megan Minkle's

746
00:31:02,954 --> 00:31:04,874
Speaker 2: not spilling anything. What I will say, there's nothing in

747
00:31:04,914 --> 00:31:06,674
Speaker 2: there about how she ate the fries, which I feel

748
00:31:06,714 --> 00:31:09,194
Speaker 2: like is miss On Caitlin's behalf of like really pulling

749
00:31:09,274 --> 00:31:11,714
Speaker 2: us into the story. But what's an important note there is,

750
00:31:11,754 --> 00:31:13,914
Speaker 2: Like if you're just reading all of that stuff and

751
00:31:13,954 --> 00:31:16,194
Speaker 2: like Megan Mark called laughing with the waiter and them

752
00:31:16,234 --> 00:31:18,274
Speaker 2: all eating fries and stuff, it just feels like this loose,

753
00:31:18,314 --> 00:31:20,914
Speaker 2: fun girl's lunch. But then she also knows that when

754
00:31:20,954 --> 00:31:23,794
Speaker 2: they sit down there's like very deliberate seating and the

755
00:31:23,874 --> 00:31:28,194
Speaker 2: Sussex's communication manager is sat very deliberately between them, so

756
00:31:28,234 --> 00:31:30,434
Speaker 2: like you think it's a girl's lunch until you think,

757
00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:32,474
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, it's being There's like a whole

758
00:31:32,514 --> 00:31:34,794
Speaker 2: team of people there that are there to control the

759
00:31:34,794 --> 00:31:36,954
Speaker 2: situation and make sure the right story gets.

760
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:39,794
Speaker 3: Out exactly and that's our first little like it's not

761
00:31:39,874 --> 00:31:44,074
Speaker 3: passive aggressive, but it's a little like pointed. That's our

762
00:31:44,074 --> 00:31:47,114
Speaker 3: first pointed line. The next pointed line, and the one

763
00:31:47,114 --> 00:31:49,994
Speaker 3: that a lot of people have really been pointing out

764
00:31:50,434 --> 00:31:53,354
Speaker 3: is our third location, which is in New York City,

765
00:31:53,634 --> 00:31:56,554
Speaker 3: in a brownstone that her friend owns. Megan Michael's friend

766
00:31:56,594 --> 00:32:00,554
Speaker 3: owns this particular brownstone. The line that is written like

767
00:32:00,634 --> 00:32:05,434
Speaker 3: Caitlin is she walks into the brownstone and the house

768
00:32:05,554 --> 00:32:10,234
Speaker 3: manager says, the Dutchess of Sussex, Megan Markle. And then

769
00:32:10,314 --> 00:32:13,154
Speaker 3: the writer says, but it appeared that we were the

770
00:32:13,154 --> 00:32:14,194
Speaker 3: only two people there.

771
00:32:14,794 --> 00:32:16,874
Speaker 1: Did you feel like like it was a bit passive aggressive?

772
00:32:17,274 --> 00:32:19,714
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to say if it's like, I don't

773
00:32:19,754 --> 00:32:22,034
Speaker 2: know in the moment, if the writer herself of Caitlin

774
00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:24,994
Speaker 2: was trying to make this kind of big moment to

775
00:32:25,074 --> 00:32:28,274
Speaker 2: make Megan Michael look unrelatable. I mean, obviously everything like

776
00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:32,474
Speaker 2: she would have had fifty pages of notebooks and recordings

777
00:32:32,514 --> 00:32:34,554
Speaker 2: and craziness, and she's had to whittle it down to

778
00:32:34,594 --> 00:32:37,754
Speaker 2: this twenty five hundred word article, and so anything that's

779
00:32:37,834 --> 00:32:40,394
Speaker 2: left in there is very deliberate. But I don't think

780
00:32:40,434 --> 00:32:43,434
Speaker 2: she realized exactly like how wound up people were going

781
00:32:43,474 --> 00:32:45,234
Speaker 2: to get over this, because this is the part that like,

782
00:32:45,354 --> 00:32:48,154
Speaker 2: there's a sprinkling of criticism around the cover, there's a

783
00:32:48,194 --> 00:32:51,154
Speaker 2: sprinkling criticism around how she chose to start the article.

784
00:32:51,194 --> 00:32:54,634
Speaker 2: But the biggest criticism I saw was about Megan Mikle

785
00:32:54,754 --> 00:32:58,194
Speaker 2: having someone announce her entry, and I think that goes

786
00:32:58,274 --> 00:33:00,514
Speaker 2: more to the pomp and circumstance of the world she

787
00:33:00,714 --> 00:33:02,874
Speaker 2: lives in. It didn't come across to me that she's

788
00:33:02,914 --> 00:33:05,794
Speaker 2: demanding this house manager of a how she does not own,

789
00:33:06,074 --> 00:33:08,714
Speaker 2: who obviously is just working in the capacity of how

790
00:33:08,794 --> 00:33:12,274
Speaker 2: that house runs that. I don't think she was demanding

791
00:33:12,314 --> 00:33:13,914
Speaker 2: that she be announced in that way.

792
00:33:13,954 --> 00:33:15,274
Speaker 4: To one journalist, I.

793
00:33:15,194 --> 00:33:16,314
Speaker 1: Don't think she was either.

794
00:33:16,434 --> 00:33:19,874
Speaker 3: But you can see how that feeds into the narrative

795
00:33:19,914 --> 00:33:24,074
Speaker 3: that so many people have about Megan Markle. And a

796
00:33:24,074 --> 00:33:26,714
Speaker 3: lot of the comments that I've seen are like people going,

797
00:33:27,114 --> 00:33:29,554
Speaker 3: oh my god, she wanted to leave the Royals, she

798
00:33:29,594 --> 00:33:32,314
Speaker 3: wanted to be private, and now she's demanding Like I

799
00:33:32,354 --> 00:33:35,794
Speaker 3: think it would be silly to assume that the writer

800
00:33:35,954 --> 00:33:38,914
Speaker 3: didn't know that it would affect that kind of response.

801
00:33:39,074 --> 00:33:42,434
Speaker 3: Don't you think she's not stupid. This writer is not stupid.

802
00:33:42,474 --> 00:33:45,314
Speaker 1: Caitlin's not dumb. She knows that it's going to posit

803
00:33:45,394 --> 00:33:47,554
Speaker 1: some sort of reaction to.

804
00:33:47,354 --> 00:33:49,794
Speaker 2: It, because that's what everyone's looking for, because, as we

805
00:33:49,834 --> 00:33:51,954
Speaker 2: said before, she's in the public eye a lot, and

806
00:33:51,994 --> 00:33:55,074
Speaker 2: we get a lot of what her celebrity friends say

807
00:33:55,114 --> 00:33:57,994
Speaker 2: about her, like that information is readily available. They have

808
00:33:58,034 --> 00:34:00,474
Speaker 2: all gone on records so many times. What we don't

809
00:34:00,554 --> 00:34:04,354
Speaker 2: get a lot unless it's these very kind of blind items,

810
00:34:04,394 --> 00:34:06,314
Speaker 2: gossip from the palace, all that sort of stuff. What

811
00:34:06,354 --> 00:34:09,194
Speaker 2: we don't get is what she's like in between those

812
00:34:09,234 --> 00:34:11,634
Speaker 2: little moments where she's off camera and how she treats

813
00:34:11,634 --> 00:34:13,194
Speaker 2: the people around her. And that's what people are so

814
00:34:13,314 --> 00:34:16,234
Speaker 2: interested in because everyone's looking for this gotcha moment of

815
00:34:16,594 --> 00:34:18,993
Speaker 2: see she is a bad person, like she is manipulative,

816
00:34:19,034 --> 00:34:21,553
Speaker 2: she is crazy. Everyone's looking for that. And I think

817
00:34:21,554 --> 00:34:24,514
Speaker 2: that was the only moment in this article where people

818
00:34:24,514 --> 00:34:26,594
Speaker 2: could kind of latch onto that idea because they were

819
00:34:26,594 --> 00:34:28,754
Speaker 2: all like, oh my god, because the subtext that came

820
00:34:28,754 --> 00:34:30,513
Speaker 2: out of that, and the story that people ran with

821
00:34:30,994 --> 00:34:34,234
Speaker 2: is that she demands that she is formally announced before

822
00:34:34,274 --> 00:34:36,873
Speaker 2: she enters a room, even if there's only one other

823
00:34:36,914 --> 00:34:39,674
Speaker 2: person in there, which crazy, but also again I think

824
00:34:39,674 --> 00:34:41,354
Speaker 2: that's just how this house manager operates.

825
00:34:41,394 --> 00:34:42,714
Speaker 4: I would love his start of the story and what

826
00:34:42,874 --> 00:34:46,714
Speaker 4: is house it was? Yeah, well I Brownstone would be

827
00:34:46,874 --> 00:34:48,274
Speaker 4: some crazy rich person.

828
00:34:48,394 --> 00:34:51,874
Speaker 3: Brownstone's those really old Brownstones that are like six levels,

829
00:34:52,834 --> 00:34:53,874
Speaker 3: ridiculously expensive.

830
00:34:53,874 --> 00:34:56,154
Speaker 4: Be here. That's crazy old money, all crazy new money.

831
00:34:56,194 --> 00:34:57,634
Speaker 4: Either way, crazy money.

832
00:34:57,314 --> 00:34:57,873
Speaker 1: Crazy money.

833
00:34:57,914 --> 00:35:00,274
Speaker 2: And so that person's obviously runs a tight ship in

834
00:35:00,314 --> 00:35:01,834
Speaker 2: their house. And I actually think they are the true

835
00:35:01,834 --> 00:35:04,194
Speaker 2: colport here, not Mega Marke or the house manager.

836
00:35:04,234 --> 00:35:05,354
Speaker 4: I maybe it was just doing their job.

837
00:35:05,474 --> 00:35:09,594
Speaker 3: That was kind of her three main thing from the article,

838
00:35:09,754 --> 00:35:10,594
Speaker 3: like her dreaming.

839
00:35:12,194 --> 00:35:14,074
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many They get a lot of

840
00:35:14,114 --> 00:35:16,234
Speaker 2: different famous friends to come in and talk about her,

841
00:35:16,274 --> 00:35:18,433
Speaker 2: and Megan also talks about a lot of the work

842
00:35:18,514 --> 00:35:21,314
Speaker 2: she's doing and how she wants to come across to

843
00:35:21,354 --> 00:35:24,234
Speaker 2: the world and all these things. There was one moment

844
00:35:24,314 --> 00:35:27,074
Speaker 2: where Caitlin's asking her about how women in the spotlight

845
00:35:27,074 --> 00:35:29,354
Speaker 2: of treated and women in power, and she writes that

846
00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:31,954
Speaker 2: Megan kind of closes off a little bit, and it

847
00:35:32,034 --> 00:35:36,033
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it actually writes she deadpands back to me. Yeah,

848
00:35:36,074 --> 00:35:38,074
Speaker 2: I guess she says dead bands.

849
00:35:37,834 --> 00:35:40,634
Speaker 3: Like two or three times in the article. It's one

850
00:35:40,634 --> 00:35:45,114
Speaker 3: of her most descriptive works. Yeah, used words in the article.

851
00:35:45,434 --> 00:35:48,194
Speaker 3: It's almost like the writer's trying to say, she's not

852
00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:49,674
Speaker 3: taking my dry humor.

853
00:35:50,114 --> 00:35:50,434
Speaker 4: Yeah.

854
00:35:50,474 --> 00:35:53,194
Speaker 3: But then Serena Williams is talking about the reason that

855
00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:55,074
Speaker 3: her and Megan get along so well is because they

856
00:35:55,074 --> 00:35:56,594
Speaker 3: both share this dry sense of humor.

857
00:35:56,994 --> 00:35:59,034
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting choice of words.

858
00:35:59,314 --> 00:36:02,393
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I know exactly what they're both doing,

859
00:36:02,514 --> 00:36:04,114
Speaker 2: and I know what the journalist is doing because I've

860
00:36:04,154 --> 00:36:07,274
Speaker 2: done it many times before, where you start talking in

861
00:36:07,274 --> 00:36:09,674
Speaker 2: this very kind of like women in the public eye,

862
00:36:09,714 --> 00:36:11,314
Speaker 2: I get told this, and women in public eye, I

863
00:36:11,314 --> 00:36:13,433
Speaker 2: get told that. And that's what she says here. She

864
00:36:13,514 --> 00:36:15,473
Speaker 2: says like, don't you think that women in the public

865
00:36:15,514 --> 00:36:17,913
Speaker 2: eye are multi dimensional? But that they tend to cop a.

866
00:36:17,874 --> 00:36:19,314
Speaker 4: Lot of flak? Is what the writer says.

867
00:36:19,434 --> 00:36:21,714
Speaker 2: And I've used that trick myself, where you say women

868
00:36:21,754 --> 00:36:23,714
Speaker 2: in general, but what you mean is like I want

869
00:36:23,714 --> 00:36:25,794
Speaker 2: to talk about how everyone hates you, Yes, and I

870
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Speaker 2: want you to comment on that, and that will be

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Speaker 2: my headline. That's the story, that's what people want to

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Speaker 2: know about. But I also don't want to say out

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Speaker 2: white that people hate you. So I'm going to get

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Speaker 2: you in and hope that we can have this talk

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Speaker 2: about women in the public eye in general, which is

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Speaker 2: a safe place for us both to operate.

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Speaker 3: We're generalizing, it's not just about yeah, we're just generalizing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Then Megan responds with a very very well media trained way.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think it is that media trained because

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00:36:49,714 --> 00:36:51,634
Speaker 2: she kind of shuts it down. That becomes a story.

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00:36:51,674 --> 00:36:53,914
Speaker 2: And she could have had a very perfect prepared answer

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Speaker 2: for like, yes, women in the public eye do this

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Speaker 2: or and that's not a story. The story happened when

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Speaker 2: she decided not to answer, because Caitlin says that she's

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Speaker 2: ready to launch into this big tangent about women's voices

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Speaker 2: in the public eye, and she says, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, she says, finally trying to get Megan to

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Speaker 2: answer and trying to join her in the conversation, and

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Speaker 2: there's just this big pause and she said. Meghan deadpans

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Speaker 2: again and says well yeah, and then it's shut down

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Speaker 2: from there. So that's an interesting thing. I'll just want

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Speaker 2: to finish on one quote, which I actually feel is

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Speaker 2: the most important quote really in the quote that's stuck

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Speaker 2: with me from the article that no one has picked

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Speaker 2: up on, because it's not super salicious and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: paint Meghan in a bad light, paints her in like

898
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Speaker 2: quite a lovely light because she's talking about Prince Harry

899
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Speaker 2: and she just says, he loves me so boldly, fully,

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Speaker 2: and he also has a different perspective because he sees

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00:37:42,194 --> 00:37:44,834
Speaker 2: the media that I wouldn't. And then she goes, no

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00:37:44,874 --> 00:37:47,513
Speaker 2: one in the world loves me more than him.

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Speaker 1: It's really sweet.

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Speaker 2: That's really cute, and you know what, I freaking believe that,

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Speaker 2: and I believe that they're really in love because you

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Speaker 2: kind of have to be to get through everything that

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Speaker 2: they've been through.

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Speaker 3: She says some really beautiful things. She says, you have

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Speaker 3: someone who just has this childlike wonder and playfulness. I

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Speaker 3: was so drawn to that, and he brought that.

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Speaker 1: Out in me.

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Speaker 4: I believe, I wonder about the world. He's seeing so

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Speaker 4: much of the world, even now in his forties, he's

914
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Speaker 4: seeing so much the world for the first time. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I actually bet he does have that.

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Speaker 2: So I think that no one wants to sort of

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Speaker 2: be super invested in their love story, but it's really

918
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Speaker 2: it's there, and it's what they're shouting about. It's just

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Speaker 2: not as fun as the chip drama or the announcement

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Speaker 2: drama or the dead pan drama. So we'll link the

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Speaker 2: full Harpers was our interview in our show notes because

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Speaker 2: there's so much in there. We only really touch the

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Speaker 2: surface the moments that people are talking about, but I

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Speaker 2: would recommend really reading the whole thing to get a

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Speaker 2: picture of what she's saying and just a little bit

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Speaker 2: more about Maggot Michael.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to this spill today, guys.

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Speaker 1: So have you, guys seen Wicked for Good yet?

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Speaker 3: If you have, make sure you head over to our

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Speaker 3: wonderful new podcast called watch Party. We have an episode

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Speaker 3: on Wicked for Good and we are going to be

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Speaker 3: unpacking everything in the movie. I'm on there, more our

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Speaker 3: wonderful producers on there, and three players there. She's actually

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00:38:58,434 --> 00:39:02,354
Speaker 3: interviewed Idina m Menzel and Kristin Chenowitz, so she's got

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Speaker 3: some great little insights. So jump into the show notes

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Speaker 3: and we'll pop the link there. This spill is produced

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Speaker 3: by Manetia is Worn with sound production by Scott Stronach.

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Speaker 2: Bye Bye, Mamma. Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.

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Speaker 2: We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigol people of

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Speaker 2: the Oronation. We pay our respects to their elders past

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Speaker 2: and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and

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Speaker 2: Torres Strait Islander cultures.