1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,504 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:28,264 Speaker 3: From Mamma Maya. Welcome to this bill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,304 --> 00:00:30,104 Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm Kissania lu. 6 00:00:30,024 --> 00:00:31,664 Speaker 4: Kidd and I'm Laura Brodnick. 7 00:00:31,904 --> 00:00:35,504 Speaker 1: Today on the show, Aubrey Plaza opens up about her 8 00:00:35,664 --> 00:00:38,984 Speaker 1: grief after losing her husband, and we're going to get 9 00:00:38,984 --> 00:00:43,224 Speaker 1: into that, and we'll also be talking about Julia Fox's 10 00:00:43,264 --> 00:00:45,424 Speaker 1: regrets on plastic surgery. 11 00:00:45,824 --> 00:00:49,024 Speaker 3: But first, something a bit lighter and brighter. 12 00:00:48,624 --> 00:00:51,504 Speaker 2: For us, kind of something a bit lighter and brighter. 13 00:00:51,704 --> 00:00:55,504 Speaker 4: A dog has died after a good. 14 00:00:57,144 --> 00:00:59,664 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is like such a depressing show that. 15 00:01:00,224 --> 00:01:02,744 Speaker 2: She lived a good long wife. A warrior in the 16 00:01:02,784 --> 00:01:06,424 Speaker 2: pop culture space has fallen. I should say Frisbee Meyer's, 17 00:01:06,664 --> 00:01:09,904 Speaker 2: the dog of Seth Meyers has very sadly passed away. 18 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:13,664 Speaker 2: Seth and ounced after many many years, and Seth put 19 00:01:13,704 --> 00:01:16,464 Speaker 2: up a beautiful tribute saying There's no one I'd rather 20 00:01:16,504 --> 00:01:20,144 Speaker 2: go gray with and shared some beautiful photos. Now, normally, 21 00:01:20,544 --> 00:01:22,304 Speaker 2: if you're a fan of Seth or a friend, this 22 00:01:22,344 --> 00:01:25,464 Speaker 2: would be sad news. But it wouldn't normally be taking 23 00:01:25,504 --> 00:01:28,584 Speaker 2: over the news cycle the way it has and taking 24 00:01:28,584 --> 00:01:31,784 Speaker 2: overyone's feeds, and everyone's talking about it, and like Frisbee's 25 00:01:31,784 --> 00:01:34,824 Speaker 2: death has been trending the last few days. That wouldn't 26 00:01:34,824 --> 00:01:37,184 Speaker 2: normally be the case for a dog, even a celebrity dog, 27 00:01:37,344 --> 00:01:40,944 Speaker 2: except for the fact that Frisbee had a very famous enemy. 28 00:01:41,464 --> 00:01:46,544 Speaker 1: Yes, now, Frisbee was fourteen when she passed, and from 29 00:01:46,664 --> 00:01:51,744 Speaker 1: the days she came home with Seth, Andy Samberg hated her. 30 00:01:52,064 --> 00:01:54,824 Speaker 2: Andy Samberg hated this dog in a way that would 31 00:01:54,824 --> 00:01:58,504 Speaker 2: normally be a level of hatred reserved for like your 32 00:01:58,544 --> 00:02:01,584 Speaker 2: long term school yard bully, someone had wronged your family, 33 00:02:01,704 --> 00:02:03,224 Speaker 2: someone who had taken a job from you. 34 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:06,424 Speaker 1: This kind of bit has been going for so long 35 00:02:06,624 --> 00:02:09,464 Speaker 1: to the point where, like Andy has talked about because 36 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:11,264 Speaker 1: he compared to a rat. 37 00:02:11,264 --> 00:02:13,304 Speaker 3: Now, Frisbee was an Italian Greyhound. 38 00:02:13,944 --> 00:02:15,424 Speaker 1: So one of his quips was he was going to 39 00:02:15,464 --> 00:02:19,464 Speaker 1: take a rat onto the Seth Meyers show and be like, here, look, 40 00:02:19,504 --> 00:02:21,664 Speaker 1: I got a new dog to make fun of him. 41 00:02:22,304 --> 00:02:25,104 Speaker 1: But the timing of all of this is what's really 42 00:02:25,144 --> 00:02:29,984 Speaker 1: like freaking people out. One is about a month ago 43 00:02:30,584 --> 00:02:34,664 Speaker 1: Andy Samberg was on Amy Polar's podcast and Amy Poler 44 00:02:34,704 --> 00:02:37,584 Speaker 1: played a trick on him, saying, Frisbee is dead, do 45 00:02:37,624 --> 00:02:39,624 Speaker 1: you have anything to say? And Andy was like, oh, 46 00:02:39,624 --> 00:02:42,224 Speaker 1: shut up, don't even joke. I would be so happy. 47 00:02:42,864 --> 00:02:47,344 Speaker 1: And then the other queen kitting is that August eighteenth 48 00:02:47,504 --> 00:02:50,544 Speaker 1: was his birthday, So Frisbee died like the day after 49 00:02:50,624 --> 00:02:51,424 Speaker 1: his birthday. 50 00:02:51,584 --> 00:02:54,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Frisbee's ultimate revenge. Because the whole thing 51 00:02:54,144 --> 00:02:56,944 Speaker 2: started because Andy Samberg and Seth Meyers obviously very long 52 00:02:57,024 --> 00:02:59,624 Speaker 2: term friends, and it would just be this ongoing bit 53 00:02:59,664 --> 00:03:02,024 Speaker 2: where he called him a rat carcass. Both their wives 54 00:03:02,024 --> 00:03:04,584 Speaker 2: got involved to the point where Seth at one stage said, 55 00:03:04,584 --> 00:03:06,584 Speaker 2: because the thing is, they knew that Frisbee was nearing 56 00:03:06,584 --> 00:03:08,784 Speaker 2: the end of her life because she's a very old dog, 57 00:03:09,144 --> 00:03:11,384 Speaker 2: and Seth was saying to her his wife that maybe 58 00:03:11,424 --> 00:03:14,024 Speaker 2: they could send Andy the bones of Frisbee when she 59 00:03:14,104 --> 00:03:16,384 Speaker 2: did pass as a kind of a you know, an 60 00:03:16,424 --> 00:03:20,264 Speaker 2: ultimate fuck you to Andy Samberg, and Seth Meyer's wife 61 00:03:20,384 --> 00:03:21,704 Speaker 2: was like, I don't even know how you think we're 62 00:03:21,704 --> 00:03:23,344 Speaker 2: going to get the bones, and I'm pretty much over 63 00:03:23,384 --> 00:03:26,464 Speaker 2: this feud. But as time went on, Frisbee were a 64 00:03:26,504 --> 00:03:29,504 Speaker 2: lot of appearances on like different talk shows and different zooms, 65 00:03:29,504 --> 00:03:32,384 Speaker 2: and the thing is like she also hated Andy because 66 00:03:32,784 --> 00:03:35,024 Speaker 2: you see this dog on all these different appearances, and 67 00:03:35,064 --> 00:03:37,024 Speaker 2: she would like be very friendly to other celebrities, but 68 00:03:37,064 --> 00:03:39,664 Speaker 2: every time she saw Andy Samberg she would turn away, 69 00:03:40,024 --> 00:03:43,064 Speaker 2: which led Seth Meyers to share the people announcement of 70 00:03:43,104 --> 00:03:46,584 Speaker 2: Frisbee's death, which said that Andy Samberg hated her, and 71 00:03:46,824 --> 00:03:50,384 Speaker 2: Seth Myers retweeted that with the comment, well, Frisbee hated him. 72 00:03:50,224 --> 00:03:52,464 Speaker 3: Too, That's great, good on him. 73 00:03:52,984 --> 00:03:55,664 Speaker 1: My favorite comment on the post was people like, I 74 00:03:55,824 --> 00:03:58,904 Speaker 1: hope that she haunts Andy Samberg. 75 00:03:58,464 --> 00:04:00,824 Speaker 2: Fall Well, I think that's why her death was announced 76 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:03,224 Speaker 2: around his birthday. I mean, that doesn't feel like a mistake. 77 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:07,024 Speaker 2: At the time of recording, Andy Samberg has yet to comment. 78 00:04:07,184 --> 00:04:09,384 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he's reached out to Seth privately 79 00:04:09,504 --> 00:04:12,464 Speaker 2: to kind of mourn the loss of his long term nemesis. 80 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:15,144 Speaker 2: And also, I do feel for Andy Samberg because we 81 00:04:15,264 --> 00:04:17,464 Speaker 2: see this in like a lot of superhero movies and things, 82 00:04:17,504 --> 00:04:20,584 Speaker 2: when the hero like defeats their enemy, like they're left 83 00:04:20,584 --> 00:04:22,784 Speaker 2: with an emptiness like who's he going to feud with? 84 00:04:22,824 --> 00:04:25,104 Speaker 4: Now? I don't know who's going to consume his thoughts now? 85 00:04:25,184 --> 00:04:28,744 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are lots of other shaking Italian greyhounds. 86 00:04:28,184 --> 00:04:30,984 Speaker 4: Around the rip for his beat anyway, missy el. 87 00:04:32,944 --> 00:04:36,304 Speaker 1: So. This week, Julia Fox has done an interview with 88 00:04:36,464 --> 00:04:40,224 Speaker 1: Allure magazine and has kind of made a couple of 89 00:04:40,264 --> 00:04:44,984 Speaker 1: revelations about her life and more importantly about like where 90 00:04:45,064 --> 00:04:47,424 Speaker 1: she's sort of going. But one of the big key 91 00:04:47,464 --> 00:04:51,904 Speaker 1: takeaways from this interview was her regrets about her plastic surgery. 92 00:04:52,824 --> 00:04:56,824 Speaker 1: She's opened up about getting write a plastic lip posuction, 93 00:04:57,064 --> 00:04:59,864 Speaker 1: botox fillers and all of that sort of thing. She 94 00:05:00,024 --> 00:05:03,864 Speaker 1: basically says that she did that as a way to 95 00:05:04,184 --> 00:05:07,544 Speaker 1: appeal to the male gaze, and she wants to really 96 00:05:07,624 --> 00:05:10,904 Speaker 1: move away from that, and the whole interview is about 97 00:05:10,944 --> 00:05:14,464 Speaker 1: her sort of growing up and averting away from that 98 00:05:14,984 --> 00:05:19,184 Speaker 1: male gaze. So her quote was, I was so hung 99 00:05:19,264 --> 00:05:21,144 Speaker 1: up on the idea that I needed to be attractive 100 00:05:21,424 --> 00:05:23,344 Speaker 1: to men so that I could survive. 101 00:05:24,024 --> 00:05:24,744 Speaker 3: She's thirty five. 102 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:27,224 Speaker 1: As a fellow thirty five year old, there is this 103 00:05:27,264 --> 00:05:31,864 Speaker 1: real shift where like, if your sexuality is something that 104 00:05:32,664 --> 00:05:36,544 Speaker 1: is all you are appreciated for in your youth and 105 00:05:36,584 --> 00:05:39,744 Speaker 1: you're trying to hold onto that, there is this real 106 00:05:39,904 --> 00:05:43,224 Speaker 1: shift as you become a mother as you age, where 107 00:05:43,904 --> 00:05:45,424 Speaker 1: you kind of have to figure out are you going 108 00:05:45,424 --> 00:05:48,584 Speaker 1: to try and keep going in that direction or you're 109 00:05:48,624 --> 00:05:52,544 Speaker 1: going to just embrace the aging process. And it sounds 110 00:05:52,584 --> 00:05:56,904 Speaker 1: like Julia Fox really wants to kind of embrace a 111 00:05:56,984 --> 00:05:59,024 Speaker 1: new chapter in her life. Yeah. 112 00:05:59,104 --> 00:06:01,944 Speaker 2: I mean I find everything Julia Fox says so fascinating 113 00:06:01,984 --> 00:06:03,944 Speaker 2: because she's in this moment the last couple of years, 114 00:06:03,944 --> 00:06:05,704 Speaker 2: and she moved into being a different kind of eat 115 00:06:05,744 --> 00:06:08,824 Speaker 2: girl around just dropping these truth bombs of like, yeah, 116 00:06:08,864 --> 00:06:10,744 Speaker 2: I call the paparazzi and I do these walks to 117 00:06:10,744 --> 00:06:12,904 Speaker 2: make sure they get a proper outfit, or I did 118 00:06:12,904 --> 00:06:15,464 Speaker 2: this thing with Kanne for a publicity stunt, or this 119 00:06:15,504 --> 00:06:17,784 Speaker 2: is what my apartment looks like and it doesn't look 120 00:06:17,824 --> 00:06:19,784 Speaker 2: the way other people show theirs on Instagram like she 121 00:06:19,824 --> 00:06:22,824 Speaker 2: does put out these little revelations. The part about survival 122 00:06:22,864 --> 00:06:26,064 Speaker 2: I found interesting because if you've read her book, I mean, 123 00:06:26,104 --> 00:06:29,304 Speaker 2: she has had the wildest life, but it was especially 124 00:06:29,304 --> 00:06:32,184 Speaker 2: in her younger years, shaped by like older boyfriends or 125 00:06:32,224 --> 00:06:35,544 Speaker 2: men treating her badly, or people giving her opportunities in 126 00:06:35,744 --> 00:06:37,824 Speaker 2: movies and films. I mean, obviously it's a lot more 127 00:06:37,824 --> 00:06:40,944 Speaker 2: complex than there's just one kind of takeaway, but people 128 00:06:40,984 --> 00:06:44,624 Speaker 2: giving her all these opportunities or attention, both positive and 129 00:06:44,664 --> 00:06:48,064 Speaker 2: negative because of the way she looked. So I can 130 00:06:48,104 --> 00:06:51,384 Speaker 2: see how if you have this entry from like living 131 00:06:51,384 --> 00:06:54,464 Speaker 2: in this like smaller poor family, raised by a single parent, 132 00:06:54,544 --> 00:06:56,264 Speaker 2: all these things she was going through, if you have 133 00:06:56,344 --> 00:06:59,304 Speaker 2: this entry into this big, glamorous world of Hollywood and 134 00:06:59,344 --> 00:07:01,784 Speaker 2: fashion and stuff, if there was a way to change 135 00:07:01,824 --> 00:07:03,584 Speaker 2: the way you look to get into that world, which 136 00:07:03,664 --> 00:07:05,384 Speaker 2: is kind of what she did, that you would take 137 00:07:05,424 --> 00:07:07,944 Speaker 2: it and then have regrets as an adult because you'd 138 00:07:08,024 --> 00:07:09,304 Speaker 2: completely changed your face. 139 00:07:09,504 --> 00:07:12,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, look, I don't think she looks 140 00:07:12,344 --> 00:07:15,064 Speaker 1: that different to what she was when she was younger. 141 00:07:15,104 --> 00:07:18,344 Speaker 1: But I understood the sentiment behind it is she did 142 00:07:18,384 --> 00:07:21,304 Speaker 1: that not because of her. She did that to please 143 00:07:22,104 --> 00:07:24,984 Speaker 1: the people around her. And that's what she talks about regretting. 144 00:07:25,504 --> 00:07:28,504 Speaker 1: She says, I always feel so jealous about the women 145 00:07:28,544 --> 00:07:31,624 Speaker 1: who say they haven't had anything done at my age, and. 146 00:07:32,224 --> 00:07:33,904 Speaker 3: I just feel a lot of jealousy for that. 147 00:07:34,024 --> 00:07:36,464 Speaker 1: She goes on to say in the article that she 148 00:07:36,504 --> 00:07:38,224 Speaker 1: hasn't had anything done recently. 149 00:07:38,824 --> 00:07:41,984 Speaker 3: She's open to it. She may do something. 150 00:07:41,744 --> 00:07:44,384 Speaker 1: Later down the line, but something that I really wanted 151 00:07:44,384 --> 00:07:46,184 Speaker 1: to before we get into the other bit that I 152 00:07:46,224 --> 00:07:49,944 Speaker 1: really loved about the interview. When you're young and hot, 153 00:07:50,104 --> 00:07:53,104 Speaker 1: it's like that's your identity. Then you're like, shit, I 154 00:07:53,144 --> 00:07:55,544 Speaker 1: need to stay young and hot. And that was just 155 00:07:55,624 --> 00:07:57,904 Speaker 1: something that was like what you were saying before. It 156 00:07:57,944 --> 00:08:02,944 Speaker 1: was just like this grasping onto that part of her life. 157 00:08:03,064 --> 00:08:07,224 Speaker 1: I love how candid she is, Like she's just so unfiltered. 158 00:08:07,504 --> 00:08:08,624 Speaker 3: She's thrown on me. 159 00:08:08,864 --> 00:08:09,904 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's to an extent. 160 00:08:10,584 --> 00:08:12,064 Speaker 2: She has kind of changed a look and like there 161 00:08:12,104 --> 00:08:14,344 Speaker 2: was a time where she was like this ultimate traditional 162 00:08:14,384 --> 00:08:17,824 Speaker 2: male fantasy of like the very sexualized look, tight dress 163 00:08:17,904 --> 00:08:19,464 Speaker 2: was all that sort of stuff, and over the last 164 00:08:19,544 --> 00:08:22,064 Speaker 2: few years she's gone more into that like old school 165 00:08:22,144 --> 00:08:24,464 Speaker 2: kind of man repell a thing of like wearing like 166 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,064 Speaker 2: the dress that looked like it was the body hair 167 00:08:26,104 --> 00:08:28,864 Speaker 2: and bleaching her eyebrows and the claws and all these 168 00:08:28,864 --> 00:08:31,184 Speaker 2: things that are still like very sexual but kind of 169 00:08:31,224 --> 00:08:33,344 Speaker 2: away from that traditional beauty. And if you read the 170 00:08:33,344 --> 00:08:36,144 Speaker 2: comments or under all these posts, there's comments from men 171 00:08:36,184 --> 00:08:37,904 Speaker 2: who say things like, oh, you used to be hot, 172 00:08:37,944 --> 00:08:39,744 Speaker 2: now you're not. Now you just look like a creature. 173 00:08:39,784 --> 00:08:42,024 Speaker 2: You look terrible. I've got to say, read this article. 174 00:08:42,064 --> 00:08:43,824 Speaker 2: One of my takeaways, and I'm having this a lot 175 00:08:43,904 --> 00:08:46,304 Speaker 2: recently as I get older, is like I'm kind of 176 00:08:46,304 --> 00:08:48,984 Speaker 2: happy I was never hot or like traditionally beautiful, because 177 00:08:48,984 --> 00:08:50,544 Speaker 2: then I see these women in kind of like her 178 00:08:50,544 --> 00:08:52,904 Speaker 2: and in Hollywood who are now having this like huge 179 00:08:52,904 --> 00:08:55,504 Speaker 2: panic because they were always told their looks of their 180 00:08:55,544 --> 00:08:58,384 Speaker 2: currency and what happens when that's taken away from you. 181 00:08:58,824 --> 00:09:00,104 Speaker 2: And I feel like she's a lot more to offer 182 00:09:00,144 --> 00:09:02,824 Speaker 2: because she's such an interesting writer and podcaster and all 183 00:09:02,864 --> 00:09:05,384 Speaker 2: these things, but like that must be such a huge 184 00:09:05,424 --> 00:09:07,944 Speaker 2: thing to be like you're held up here because you're beautiful, 185 00:09:07,984 --> 00:09:09,384 Speaker 2: and it has an exploration date. 186 00:09:09,904 --> 00:09:12,824 Speaker 1: I was a model when I was eighteen, and that 187 00:09:13,024 --> 00:09:15,464 Speaker 1: was my currency for a very long time. 188 00:09:15,264 --> 00:09:17,824 Speaker 3: And that was what made me valuable. 189 00:09:18,384 --> 00:09:21,784 Speaker 1: So I really relate to that a lot, because as 190 00:09:21,824 --> 00:09:23,344 Speaker 1: you particularly. 191 00:09:22,784 --> 00:09:25,344 Speaker 3: Becoming a mother, your body changes. 192 00:09:26,064 --> 00:09:28,944 Speaker 1: It's a really interesting shift because I remember when I 193 00:09:28,984 --> 00:09:33,024 Speaker 1: got pregnant and people weren't looking at me anymore, and 194 00:09:33,104 --> 00:09:36,424 Speaker 1: I was like confused, and it sounds a little bit conceited, 195 00:09:36,464 --> 00:09:38,224 Speaker 1: but I find know what you're saying. I think it's 196 00:09:38,304 --> 00:09:42,024 Speaker 1: just because I spent my whole youth in that world 197 00:09:42,264 --> 00:09:45,024 Speaker 1: and that was what the most important thing was, and 198 00:09:45,104 --> 00:09:48,624 Speaker 1: then it wasn't. And now I'm a mum and like 199 00:09:48,704 --> 00:09:51,024 Speaker 1: that isn't the most important. The way my body looks 200 00:09:51,304 --> 00:09:53,504 Speaker 1: is not the most important thing anymore, and I'm like 201 00:09:53,624 --> 00:09:55,424 Speaker 1: happy with how I look. I think I felt up 202 00:09:55,424 --> 00:09:59,744 Speaker 1: pretty bloody good. I feel good about myself. But that 203 00:10:00,064 --> 00:10:03,944 Speaker 1: shift is what Julia Fox is talking about, and it 204 00:10:04,064 --> 00:10:06,984 Speaker 1: is a really interesting I think it hits some women 205 00:10:07,144 --> 00:10:09,384 Speaker 1: harder than others if. 206 00:10:09,304 --> 00:10:11,344 Speaker 2: You've always been told so, if that's where your actual 207 00:10:11,384 --> 00:10:13,824 Speaker 2: cash livelihood was coming from. And I don't want to 208 00:10:13,824 --> 00:10:15,464 Speaker 2: be someone who's like, oh, I feel bad for like 209 00:10:15,504 --> 00:10:18,264 Speaker 2: supermodels and Hollywood actresses and stuff, because there's obviously a 210 00:10:18,264 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 2: lot of layers there. But it is just something that 211 00:10:20,424 --> 00:10:22,264 Speaker 2: I've come to realize the last couple of years as 212 00:10:22,264 --> 00:10:24,624 Speaker 2: I see like groups of women or even just groups 213 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,704 Speaker 2: of women who I know who aren't super famous, who 214 00:10:26,744 --> 00:10:28,384 Speaker 2: have like their looks have been a big part of 215 00:10:28,384 --> 00:10:30,824 Speaker 2: their currency and why people have told them they're special, 216 00:10:31,344 --> 00:10:34,704 Speaker 2: and how stressful that is when that starts to be 217 00:10:34,904 --> 00:10:36,984 Speaker 2: taken away from you, even if it's not physically taken 218 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:38,784 Speaker 2: away from you, just people being like, well, you're this 219 00:10:38,904 --> 00:10:40,424 Speaker 2: age now or you don't look like you did when 220 00:10:40,464 --> 00:10:43,104 Speaker 2: you're at eighteen, And so I do feel a kind 221 00:10:43,144 --> 00:10:45,784 Speaker 2: of comfort because I don't have any stress about my 222 00:10:45,824 --> 00:10:48,104 Speaker 2: face or body changing as I get older because it 223 00:10:48,264 --> 00:10:50,184 Speaker 2: was never a kind of thing. But that's why I 224 00:10:50,184 --> 00:10:52,904 Speaker 2: find this kind of honesty from Julia Fox where she's 225 00:10:52,944 --> 00:10:56,104 Speaker 2: like talking about regret from plastic surgery. So you think 226 00:10:56,144 --> 00:10:58,704 Speaker 2: the next part of the interview is her saying, like, 227 00:10:58,744 --> 00:11:00,344 Speaker 2: I'm never going to do that again. I'm not touching 228 00:11:00,384 --> 00:11:02,624 Speaker 2: my face, I'm not plumping it with fillers, all that 229 00:11:02,664 --> 00:11:04,464 Speaker 2: sort of stuff, and then then for her to say, 230 00:11:04,624 --> 00:11:06,264 Speaker 2: but I'm probably going to have more stuff done in 231 00:11:06,344 --> 00:11:08,664 Speaker 2: the future because she just knows that like, once you're 232 00:11:08,704 --> 00:11:11,144 Speaker 2: in that cycle to an extent, the way the world 233 00:11:11,224 --> 00:11:13,024 Speaker 2: is going, you kind of almost do have. 234 00:11:12,984 --> 00:11:14,464 Speaker 4: To have it done, which is refreshing. 235 00:11:14,504 --> 00:11:16,744 Speaker 1: But also I think it's like one of those things 236 00:11:16,744 --> 00:11:20,144 Speaker 1: where you want to be embrace your aging and blah 237 00:11:20,184 --> 00:11:22,944 Speaker 1: blah blah, but like we're allowed to mourt it and 238 00:11:22,984 --> 00:11:26,944 Speaker 1: still try and like mature and feel good about that. 239 00:11:27,064 --> 00:11:28,864 Speaker 2: But I think there's a good takeaway from this is 240 00:11:28,904 --> 00:11:31,824 Speaker 2: that she's talking about getting extensive plastic surgery in her 241 00:11:31,824 --> 00:11:34,144 Speaker 2: early twenties, which I do think not extensive, but you 242 00:11:34,224 --> 00:11:37,504 Speaker 2: know a lot of stuff that she looks back, suction's same, 243 00:11:37,664 --> 00:11:39,904 Speaker 2: oh yeah, exactly, and the amount of feeler and the 244 00:11:39,944 --> 00:11:42,384 Speaker 2: amount of like botox and things when a lot of 245 00:11:42,424 --> 00:11:44,264 Speaker 2: people say, like in your early twenties, like you should 246 00:11:44,304 --> 00:11:46,384 Speaker 2: really just not be touching your face. And I think 247 00:11:46,384 --> 00:11:48,984 Speaker 2: that's really important because we're seeing now at this moment 248 00:11:48,984 --> 00:11:51,744 Speaker 2: in time, this huge push of like very very young 249 00:11:51,784 --> 00:11:54,784 Speaker 2: women who one probably don't need anything, and two definitely 250 00:11:54,824 --> 00:11:57,624 Speaker 2: can't afford it, especially in this economy, to be pumping 251 00:11:57,664 --> 00:12:01,344 Speaker 2: their faces with all of these different things, having these surgeries, 252 00:12:01,344 --> 00:12:04,584 Speaker 2: having their faces altered, especially if you're in your early twenties, 253 00:12:04,624 --> 00:12:07,344 Speaker 2: like your face hasn't finished developing yet, hasn't finished forming. 254 00:12:07,704 --> 00:12:09,704 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people will have a 255 00:12:09,704 --> 00:12:11,744 Speaker 2: lot of especially young women, have a lot of regret 256 00:12:12,104 --> 00:12:14,264 Speaker 2: around the amount of work they got done because, like 257 00:12:14,344 --> 00:12:16,264 Speaker 2: Julia Fox, they thought they had to and then they 258 00:12:16,304 --> 00:12:18,144 Speaker 2: get to their mid thirties and like I didn't have to, 259 00:12:18,264 --> 00:12:20,264 Speaker 2: and I have regrets. So I hope that's the part 260 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:22,144 Speaker 2: of the article that people are reading. 261 00:12:22,344 --> 00:12:23,344 Speaker 3: I hope so too. 262 00:12:23,664 --> 00:12:26,824 Speaker 1: And this is absolutely nothing against like surgery I'm so 263 00:12:26,984 --> 00:12:29,584 Speaker 1: for doing things to make yourself feel better. But I 264 00:12:29,624 --> 00:12:34,024 Speaker 1: think the really really young women doing that extensive work, 265 00:12:34,064 --> 00:12:36,384 Speaker 1: I think that can be really dangerous. 266 00:12:36,664 --> 00:12:37,264 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 267 00:12:37,344 --> 00:12:37,584 Speaker 3: The thing. 268 00:12:37,744 --> 00:12:39,944 Speaker 2: The best thing about aging is that you do, like 269 00:12:40,024 --> 00:12:42,944 Speaker 2: things become clearer, like the wisdom you have, Like I 270 00:12:42,944 --> 00:12:45,504 Speaker 2: feel so much better now in my late thirties than 271 00:12:45,544 --> 00:12:47,104 Speaker 2: I did in my twenties. And I think if you're 272 00:12:47,304 --> 00:12:49,744 Speaker 2: in your late thirties, forties, fifties, you can make a 273 00:12:49,784 --> 00:12:53,584 Speaker 2: more educated decision around something like that. But in my 274 00:12:53,664 --> 00:12:55,544 Speaker 2: early twenties, I don't know what I was doing, and 275 00:12:55,584 --> 00:12:58,304 Speaker 2: you should be blowing that money on like holidays or 276 00:12:58,304 --> 00:13:00,384 Speaker 2: even just like being able to buy yourself food and 277 00:13:00,384 --> 00:13:02,104 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, and not your face. And so 278 00:13:02,184 --> 00:13:04,064 Speaker 2: I think, like a lot of people listen to Julia Fox, 279 00:13:04,104 --> 00:13:06,104 Speaker 2: like especially a lot of young women, and so I 280 00:13:06,144 --> 00:13:08,904 Speaker 2: hope that's the takeaway along with all the crazy stuff 281 00:13:08,944 --> 00:13:09,664 Speaker 2: that she always says. 282 00:13:09,824 --> 00:13:12,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, so PSA from Julia Fox, just. 283 00:13:12,904 --> 00:13:14,904 Speaker 2: Think about it, That's what's she's like. I wish I 284 00:13:14,984 --> 00:13:16,744 Speaker 2: just thought about it a bit more. Not that it's 285 00:13:16,744 --> 00:13:18,544 Speaker 2: wrong to have it like you're saying. It's more like 286 00:13:18,824 --> 00:13:20,704 Speaker 2: she's just saying she wish she's taken a beat and 287 00:13:20,744 --> 00:13:24,784 Speaker 2: know one herself better. I love how Amy Poula's podcast 288 00:13:24,824 --> 00:13:26,264 Speaker 2: has appeared twice in this episode. 289 00:13:26,304 --> 00:13:27,744 Speaker 3: No, and not on purpose. 290 00:13:28,784 --> 00:13:30,904 Speaker 2: I mean, she's just talking about the current things, the 291 00:13:30,904 --> 00:13:33,744 Speaker 2: death of Frisbee because she's got that whole joke. And 292 00:13:33,784 --> 00:13:37,024 Speaker 2: this week she had her very very good friend and 293 00:13:37,344 --> 00:13:39,984 Speaker 2: past colleague on Parks and Red, Aubrey Plaza, on her 294 00:13:40,024 --> 00:13:43,384 Speaker 2: podcast Good Hang. And I know, like some sad bits 295 00:13:43,384 --> 00:13:44,944 Speaker 2: have obviously been pulled out of it. We're going to 296 00:13:44,944 --> 00:13:48,224 Speaker 2: talk about that, But overall, it was such a delight 297 00:13:48,344 --> 00:13:51,304 Speaker 2: to hear these two women back together because they're both 298 00:13:51,344 --> 00:13:54,584 Speaker 2: such comedy powerhouses. They've been friends for such a long time. 299 00:13:54,664 --> 00:13:57,424 Speaker 2: They have a relationship like sometimes like you can only 300 00:13:57,424 --> 00:13:59,304 Speaker 2: get an interview out of someone if you've been their 301 00:13:59,344 --> 00:14:00,704 Speaker 2: best friend for over twenty years. 302 00:14:00,704 --> 00:14:01,464 Speaker 4: And that's what they have. 303 00:14:01,744 --> 00:14:04,864 Speaker 1: And I think that comes from the fact that Aubrey's 304 00:14:05,184 --> 00:14:08,744 Speaker 1: very first role was on Parks and Ray with Amy. 305 00:14:08,464 --> 00:14:11,264 Speaker 4: Pohla and that show. 306 00:14:11,664 --> 00:14:14,464 Speaker 1: If you ever need to like bring yourself out of 307 00:14:14,664 --> 00:14:17,664 Speaker 1: some sadness, go watch bloopers from Parks and rec Yeah, 308 00:14:18,144 --> 00:14:21,584 Speaker 1: it is like my favorite ultimate just like make me happy. 309 00:14:21,744 --> 00:14:24,184 Speaker 1: But I'm a massive, massive fan of Parks and rac 310 00:14:24,824 --> 00:14:28,024 Speaker 1: and Aubrey plant that was her very first role like that. 311 00:14:28,144 --> 00:14:32,264 Speaker 1: PA role of Ron's was not supposed to be like that, 312 00:14:32,264 --> 00:14:35,744 Speaker 1: but Aubrey came in, did the audition and just blew 313 00:14:35,784 --> 00:14:40,184 Speaker 1: them away seed. So basically when we started the podcast, 314 00:14:40,544 --> 00:14:43,704 Speaker 1: it's not the brightest way to start, Yeah, I mean, 315 00:14:43,744 --> 00:14:45,384 Speaker 1: it was always going to be a difficult topic. So 316 00:14:45,464 --> 00:14:48,184 Speaker 1: she's on the podcast to promote her new movie, Honey Don't, 317 00:14:48,224 --> 00:14:50,384 Speaker 1: which I'm so excited to see when it finally comes 318 00:14:50,384 --> 00:14:52,384 Speaker 1: out in Australia soon, and they were going to talk 319 00:14:52,424 --> 00:14:54,224 Speaker 1: about I I thought all along and all her other 320 00:14:54,304 --> 00:14:55,464 Speaker 1: roles and their friendship. 321 00:14:55,784 --> 00:14:58,744 Speaker 2: But Amy Paula did something really smart, which again is 322 00:14:58,824 --> 00:15:00,384 Speaker 2: something I think you can only do if you have 323 00:15:00,464 --> 00:15:03,704 Speaker 2: a relationship already, is that she knew the thing that 324 00:15:03,864 --> 00:15:06,504 Speaker 2: everyone want to know shut off the bat was how 325 00:15:06,544 --> 00:15:10,184 Speaker 2: Aubrey was doing nearly seven months after the death of 326 00:15:10,224 --> 00:15:13,504 Speaker 2: her husband by suicide, Jeff Banner, which was reported at 327 00:15:13,504 --> 00:15:16,704 Speaker 2: the time via a statement from his family. They had 328 00:15:16,744 --> 00:15:19,664 Speaker 2: had like a semi public romance because they were long 329 00:15:19,744 --> 00:15:23,464 Speaker 2: term collaborators. Aubrey had told these beautiful stories about how 330 00:15:23,504 --> 00:15:25,864 Speaker 2: long they mean together and how they had survived like 331 00:15:26,064 --> 00:15:28,464 Speaker 2: lockdowns and COVID and everything together, how it had brought 332 00:15:28,464 --> 00:15:30,784 Speaker 2: them closer, how they got spur of the moment, married 333 00:15:30,824 --> 00:15:31,144 Speaker 2: in their. 334 00:15:31,024 --> 00:15:32,704 Speaker 4: Backyard, all these things. 335 00:15:32,704 --> 00:15:35,144 Speaker 2: So there was a lot of public investment in their romance, 336 00:15:35,144 --> 00:15:38,424 Speaker 2: and obviously people love Aubrey Plaza and so the news 337 00:15:38,504 --> 00:15:41,544 Speaker 2: of his death was really shocking for fans, and we 338 00:15:41,584 --> 00:15:45,024 Speaker 2: haven't seen Aubrey that much. She made a small cameo 339 00:15:45,184 --> 00:15:49,504 Speaker 2: at the SNL fiftieth birthday celebrations, and what was really 340 00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:51,584 Speaker 2: sad about that is that she was wearing a tied 341 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,344 Speaker 2: eyed T shirt under her blazer, which if you kind 342 00:15:54,344 --> 00:15:56,864 Speaker 2: of knew about her relationship with her husband, is that 343 00:15:56,944 --> 00:15:58,944 Speaker 2: Ti dying is something they had sort of got into 344 00:15:59,024 --> 00:16:01,944 Speaker 2: together over COVID to keep themselves sane, and so that 345 00:16:02,064 --> 00:16:03,664 Speaker 2: was kind of like having a piece of him with 346 00:16:03,704 --> 00:16:06,424 Speaker 2: her at the time. So she hasn't really spoken about it, 347 00:16:06,424 --> 00:16:08,864 Speaker 2: and at the very top of the episode, Amy you 348 00:16:08,864 --> 00:16:10,104 Speaker 2: can see that she's just like, we're going to talk 349 00:16:10,104 --> 00:16:12,384 Speaker 2: about straight away in a really loving way and then 350 00:16:12,384 --> 00:16:14,904 Speaker 2: we can move on to other stuff and ask her 351 00:16:14,984 --> 00:16:18,544 Speaker 2: how she's feeling, and her response was really lovely, how. 352 00:16:18,424 --> 00:16:19,424 Speaker 3: Are you feeling today? 353 00:16:21,944 --> 00:16:26,184 Speaker 5: I'm I mean, right in this very very present moment, 354 00:16:26,264 --> 00:16:32,064 Speaker 5: I feel happy to be with you. I feel overall 355 00:16:32,104 --> 00:16:37,704 Speaker 5: I'm here and I'm functioning, and I feel, you know, 356 00:16:38,104 --> 00:16:43,224 Speaker 5: like I feel really grateful to be moving through the world. 357 00:16:43,704 --> 00:16:49,144 Speaker 5: I think like I'm okay, but you know, it's like 358 00:16:49,264 --> 00:16:56,384 Speaker 5: a a daily struggle. Obviously this is like a really dominology. 359 00:16:56,464 --> 00:16:58,384 Speaker 5: But and it was kind of a joke at a 360 00:16:58,424 --> 00:17:00,264 Speaker 5: certain point, but like I actually mean it. 361 00:17:00,504 --> 00:17:01,584 Speaker 3: Did you see that movie. 362 00:17:01,384 --> 00:17:04,544 Speaker 4: The Gorge No, okay, horror movie. 363 00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:08,104 Speaker 5: It's like a alien movie or something with like miles, 364 00:17:11,584 --> 00:17:15,464 Speaker 5: but it's like in the movie, there's like a cliff 365 00:17:15,504 --> 00:17:16,944 Speaker 5: on one side, and then there's like a cliff on 366 00:17:16,984 --> 00:17:19,224 Speaker 5: the other side, and then there's like gorge in between, 367 00:17:19,304 --> 00:17:21,344 Speaker 5: and it's like filled with all these like monster people 368 00:17:21,584 --> 00:17:24,184 Speaker 5: that are trained to get them. And like I swear 369 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:26,904 Speaker 5: when I watched it, I was like, that is like 370 00:17:27,264 --> 00:17:29,024 Speaker 5: feels like what my grief is like. 371 00:17:29,384 --> 00:17:31,504 Speaker 1: That movie is kind of a silly movie, got panned. 372 00:17:31,504 --> 00:17:33,584 Speaker 1: It was like a sci fi movie, and I loved it. 373 00:17:33,664 --> 00:17:36,344 Speaker 1: Like it's kind of like but it's not like it's 374 00:17:36,344 --> 00:17:38,344 Speaker 1: like a really big serious one. But no, no, no, But 375 00:17:38,384 --> 00:17:41,784 Speaker 1: I actually do think that analogy on grief is quite 376 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:45,984 Speaker 1: poignant because you think about when you drop down and 377 00:17:46,024 --> 00:17:47,944 Speaker 1: then you've got to climb back up the mountain. We 378 00:17:48,064 --> 00:17:51,224 Speaker 1: know that life is full of peaks and troughs. I mean, 379 00:17:51,344 --> 00:17:54,424 Speaker 1: they were together since twenty eleven, Like, yeah, it was 380 00:17:54,464 --> 00:17:57,944 Speaker 1: a long term relationship. They had separated at the end 381 00:17:57,944 --> 00:18:01,704 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four into September, but as far as 382 00:18:01,824 --> 00:18:04,584 Speaker 1: we know, like Aubrey had received a text from him 383 00:18:04,624 --> 00:18:09,264 Speaker 1: three hours before his death by suicide, so they were 384 00:18:09,304 --> 00:18:14,104 Speaker 1: clearly still in a relationship despite that sort of separation. 385 00:18:14,784 --> 00:18:18,184 Speaker 1: It's a very honest response, a very like yeah, I 386 00:18:18,224 --> 00:18:21,264 Speaker 1: guess I'm okay, but I think grief is like. 387 00:18:21,344 --> 00:18:22,984 Speaker 3: That, grief hits you. 388 00:18:23,344 --> 00:18:25,704 Speaker 1: And a little bit later on in the interview, she 389 00:18:25,744 --> 00:18:29,064 Speaker 1: talks about grief being like a pool that's there, that's 390 00:18:29,104 --> 00:18:31,664 Speaker 1: always there. Sometimes you just want to dive in and 391 00:18:31,744 --> 00:18:34,784 Speaker 1: let it consume you. At other times it's just done 392 00:18:34,784 --> 00:18:37,464 Speaker 1: the periphery. And I just thought that was a really 393 00:18:37,504 --> 00:18:40,464 Speaker 1: lovely way to explain it, and it was honest, and 394 00:18:40,504 --> 00:18:44,344 Speaker 1: you could see Amy really empathizing with her friend. 395 00:18:44,944 --> 00:18:46,784 Speaker 3: And again, I agree with you. 396 00:18:46,904 --> 00:18:49,624 Speaker 1: I don't think that that question would have had this 397 00:18:49,784 --> 00:18:52,984 Speaker 1: same answer from a journal, it's like your r I 398 00:18:53,184 --> 00:18:57,144 Speaker 1: you know, it wouldn't have had that same gravitas and 399 00:18:57,464 --> 00:18:59,104 Speaker 1: emotional rawness to it. 400 00:18:59,544 --> 00:19:01,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think if one of us was interoing her, 401 00:19:01,384 --> 00:19:03,664 Speaker 2: you'd have to really lean into and build up something 402 00:19:03,704 --> 00:19:06,264 Speaker 2: like that, whereas like a friendship, you can sort of 403 00:19:06,304 --> 00:19:07,624 Speaker 2: ask it at the top and get it out of 404 00:19:07,664 --> 00:19:09,784 Speaker 2: the way. I always thought it was a really beautiful 405 00:19:09,784 --> 00:19:12,704 Speaker 2: way to just grief, and I also just I really 406 00:19:12,784 --> 00:19:14,504 Speaker 2: feel for her in this moment, not just because of 407 00:19:14,504 --> 00:19:17,904 Speaker 2: what she's gone through, but because even though Aubrey Plaza 408 00:19:17,944 --> 00:19:21,104 Speaker 2: is a very public person, she doesn't like talking about 409 00:19:21,104 --> 00:19:23,584 Speaker 2: her private life. She doesn't like, I guess, being her 410 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:26,784 Speaker 2: real self in public, and that's why I often when 411 00:19:26,864 --> 00:19:29,664 Speaker 2: she does press tours and interviews, she comes out in 412 00:19:29,704 --> 00:19:32,624 Speaker 2: a costume, she plays a character, she tells these wild 413 00:19:32,664 --> 00:19:35,464 Speaker 2: stories like she is. She's always a comedian, like she's 414 00:19:35,464 --> 00:19:38,144 Speaker 2: always on. She doesn't usually do these kind of quiet moments, 415 00:19:38,424 --> 00:19:40,864 Speaker 2: and I felt that she was very uncomfortable in that 416 00:19:40,904 --> 00:19:43,144 Speaker 2: moment sharing her grief with the world because it's not 417 00:19:43,184 --> 00:19:45,624 Speaker 2: what she would choose to do if she had the choice, 418 00:19:45,624 --> 00:19:47,344 Speaker 2: but because she's in the public eye, she had to. 419 00:19:47,904 --> 00:19:50,024 Speaker 2: And I also don't love the way that we critique 420 00:19:50,024 --> 00:19:52,264 Speaker 2: people in the public eye or really anyone actually of 421 00:19:52,304 --> 00:19:54,664 Speaker 2: how they show grief, Like are they showing them the 422 00:19:54,744 --> 00:19:57,104 Speaker 2: right way? Are they showing it enough as some you know, 423 00:19:57,144 --> 00:19:58,824 Speaker 2: there's some people being like, oh, but she didn't look 424 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:01,504 Speaker 2: that sad, She wasn't really crying. Some people don't even 425 00:20:01,544 --> 00:20:04,104 Speaker 2: like that she mentioned the gorge, which I hate because 426 00:20:04,664 --> 00:20:07,104 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, that's such a silly movie, and why 427 00:20:07,184 --> 00:20:09,704 Speaker 2: would you compare your husband's death to such a silly movie, 428 00:20:09,784 --> 00:20:11,744 Speaker 2: And like, yeah, it is a silly movie, even. 429 00:20:11,624 --> 00:20:12,784 Speaker 4: Though I quite liked it. 430 00:20:12,984 --> 00:20:15,144 Speaker 2: Miles Teller's on one side of the gorge on your 431 00:20:15,144 --> 00:20:18,344 Speaker 2: tell Joys on the other, they're assassins. They're guarding both 432 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:20,424 Speaker 2: sides of this gorge. They don't know what's down there. 433 00:20:20,704 --> 00:20:22,584 Speaker 2: They have what I think is one of the cutest 434 00:20:22,584 --> 00:20:24,424 Speaker 2: love stories I've seen the last few years, because they 435 00:20:24,424 --> 00:20:26,144 Speaker 2: fall in love across the gorge, and yes, then they 436 00:20:26,144 --> 00:20:30,144 Speaker 2: have to battle monsters. But her analogy of like they're 437 00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:32,824 Speaker 2: having this like life on the surface, which is quite cute, 438 00:20:32,824 --> 00:20:35,744 Speaker 2: but there's this thing lurking below that's always going to 439 00:20:35,784 --> 00:20:37,784 Speaker 2: come up and get them at some stage is what 440 00:20:37,864 --> 00:20:38,424 Speaker 2: grief films. 441 00:20:38,424 --> 00:20:42,464 Speaker 1: It's actually I actually think it's really bright and in 442 00:20:42,504 --> 00:20:44,944 Speaker 1: depth and pointing it and you know, the monster that 443 00:20:45,384 --> 00:20:48,264 Speaker 1: sits It's the same kind of analogy that people use 444 00:20:48,304 --> 00:20:50,584 Speaker 1: when they talk about depression. Is that that monster that 445 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:53,504 Speaker 1: sort of sits sitting underneath and all of a sudden 446 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:56,184 Speaker 1: it will rear its ugly head. That's what she's talking about. 447 00:20:56,224 --> 00:20:59,544 Speaker 1: She's not talking about the movie and it being comparable 448 00:20:59,584 --> 00:21:01,704 Speaker 1: to her husband. Come on, guys, yeah, and like leave 449 00:21:01,744 --> 00:21:03,864 Speaker 1: the woman alone, like her not sobbing. 450 00:21:03,984 --> 00:21:04,824 Speaker 3: I don't think is. 451 00:21:05,344 --> 00:21:08,104 Speaker 1: I know many people who, when they have dealt with grief, 452 00:21:08,184 --> 00:21:11,904 Speaker 1: become quite stoic, Like I cried the drop of a hat. 453 00:21:12,144 --> 00:21:14,224 Speaker 1: If you ask me how it's doing today, I'd probably 454 00:21:14,264 --> 00:21:15,464 Speaker 1: start crying because I just. 455 00:21:15,864 --> 00:21:17,984 Speaker 3: I live on the surf. But some people are a 456 00:21:18,024 --> 00:21:18,864 Speaker 3: little bit more. 457 00:21:20,064 --> 00:21:22,304 Speaker 1: If someone asked me that seven months after my husband died, 458 00:21:22,304 --> 00:21:27,304 Speaker 1: I'd be in tears. But Aubrey just was like, I'm okay, yeah, 459 00:21:27,424 --> 00:21:29,784 Speaker 1: I'm not happy, yeah, but I'm getting through. 460 00:21:29,944 --> 00:21:32,744 Speaker 2: I think what people wanted from her was like when 461 00:21:33,024 --> 00:21:34,704 Speaker 2: this idea of like how are you doing, what they 462 00:21:34,704 --> 00:21:36,264 Speaker 2: wanted to know was like what are you doing? Like 463 00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:38,904 Speaker 2: are you still crying every day, Like are you feeling 464 00:21:38,904 --> 00:21:41,584 Speaker 2: this feeling that I think people wanted like a concrete answer, 465 00:21:41,984 --> 00:21:45,464 Speaker 2: and instead she likened it to a movie, which ties 466 00:21:45,504 --> 00:21:47,504 Speaker 2: into what she says later in the episode where she 467 00:21:47,584 --> 00:21:50,264 Speaker 2: talks about the fact that she loves movies so much 468 00:21:50,304 --> 00:21:53,144 Speaker 2: and making movies that it's kind of become the one 469 00:21:53,184 --> 00:21:55,544 Speaker 2: thing in her life. Like she gives this really beautiful 470 00:21:55,584 --> 00:21:57,904 Speaker 2: quote that she's like, I love movies so much. 471 00:21:58,024 --> 00:21:59,984 Speaker 4: That's all I need. I don't need people, I just 472 00:22:00,024 --> 00:22:00,624 Speaker 4: need movies. 473 00:22:00,824 --> 00:22:02,704 Speaker 2: And I think that's very telling that she used a 474 00:22:02,744 --> 00:22:05,384 Speaker 2: movie to describe her grief instead of letting people in. 475 00:22:05,704 --> 00:22:07,984 Speaker 2: But yeah, I never like this idea of like critiquing 476 00:22:08,064 --> 00:22:10,104 Speaker 2: how someone grieves and if they're grieving the right way, 477 00:22:10,344 --> 00:22:12,744 Speaker 2: they're acting the right way, and all this sort of stuff, 478 00:22:12,984 --> 00:22:15,424 Speaker 2: especially when she was more emotional than she would have 479 00:22:15,424 --> 00:22:17,224 Speaker 2: ever wanted to be on a public platform. 480 00:22:17,704 --> 00:22:18,024 Speaker 4: Yeah. 481 00:22:18,064 --> 00:22:22,104 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that could just very well be her personality. Yeah, 482 00:22:22,224 --> 00:22:26,264 Speaker 1: but you know, I thought it was brave and beautifully spoken, 483 00:22:27,144 --> 00:22:29,504 Speaker 1: and you know, wish her all the best, and they're 484 00:22:29,504 --> 00:22:32,184 Speaker 1: really excited to see what's a new movie about. 485 00:22:32,584 --> 00:22:34,664 Speaker 2: Oh it's her and Margaret Qualley, who pops up at 486 00:22:34,664 --> 00:22:36,664 Speaker 2: the beginning. So because at the top of every good 487 00:22:36,704 --> 00:22:39,544 Speaker 2: Hanging episode with Amy Poehler, they get like a friend 488 00:22:39,584 --> 00:22:41,544 Speaker 2: or family member of the person who's being interviewed to 489 00:22:41,584 --> 00:22:43,984 Speaker 2: pop in on screen and ask them a question. And 490 00:22:44,064 --> 00:22:45,864 Speaker 2: so it's like kind of like a love story, well 491 00:22:45,864 --> 00:22:47,944 Speaker 2: not a love story, but between her and Margaret Quali 492 00:22:48,144 --> 00:22:50,664 Speaker 2: in Honey Don't and Margaret pops up and she's like, 493 00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:52,744 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. There's only one thing I can think 494 00:22:52,744 --> 00:22:54,864 Speaker 2: to ask Aubrey, and it's what was the Salem witch 495 00:22:54,904 --> 00:22:58,304 Speaker 2: Trials like? And then in the interview, in the interview, 496 00:22:58,384 --> 00:23:02,344 Speaker 2: Aubrey brings up the Salem witch Trials, completely unprompted, and 497 00:23:02,384 --> 00:23:05,064 Speaker 2: then Amy starts laughing and she's like, well, that's really 498 00:23:05,064 --> 00:23:07,184 Speaker 2: funny because that was Margaret Colly's question of like, what 499 00:23:07,224 --> 00:23:09,504 Speaker 2: were the witch trials like? And Aubrey first of all 500 00:23:09,504 --> 00:23:12,984 Speaker 2: says she's a bit and they were fun, they were great. 501 00:23:13,344 --> 00:23:15,544 Speaker 2: It was a whole fewr shoes connect as all wide. Anyway, 502 00:23:15,784 --> 00:23:16,504 Speaker 2: it's so funny. 503 00:23:16,784 --> 00:23:18,664 Speaker 1: What is so crazy sho meet The amount of times 504 00:23:18,704 --> 00:23:22,024 Speaker 1: witchcraft and witchery comes up on this podcast. 505 00:23:21,624 --> 00:23:24,184 Speaker 2: I know, I wish we had a witchcraft podcast. Writing 506 00:23:24,224 --> 00:23:25,784 Speaker 2: if you'd like that to happen, because I would love 507 00:23:25,784 --> 00:23:28,224 Speaker 2: to host that. Obviously, the grief part of this podcast 508 00:23:28,264 --> 00:23:30,184 Speaker 2: is no one that's making headlines. But I do recommend 509 00:23:30,184 --> 00:23:33,264 Speaker 2: everyone going listen to the full podcast because they talk 510 00:23:33,304 --> 00:23:35,224 Speaker 2: a lot about parks and rec they talk a lot 511 00:23:35,264 --> 00:23:38,064 Speaker 2: about other funny things and their careers and their friendship 512 00:23:38,184 --> 00:23:41,144 Speaker 2: and it's just a really beautiful listen overall, Like grief 513 00:23:41,144 --> 00:23:43,104 Speaker 2: has touched on, but there's a lot more to Aubrey 514 00:23:43,104 --> 00:23:43,704 Speaker 2: Plaster than that. 515 00:23:43,944 --> 00:23:46,704 Speaker 1: If anything that we chatted about today brought up anything 516 00:23:46,784 --> 00:23:48,664 Speaker 1: for you and you need a little bit of extra help, 517 00:23:48,784 --> 00:23:50,824 Speaker 1: please take a look at the show notes. We've got 518 00:23:50,824 --> 00:23:53,224 Speaker 1: a bunch of resources there that you can look at. 519 00:23:53,584 --> 00:23:56,024 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to this Spill today guys. 520 00:23:56,744 --> 00:23:59,104 Speaker 1: This week you can get twenty percent off a Mama 521 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,864 Speaker 1: Maya's subscription, and Mama Maya will match that twenty percent 522 00:24:01,904 --> 00:24:04,784 Speaker 1: and donate it to Rise Up, a charity supporting women 523 00:24:04,784 --> 00:24:08,504 Speaker 1: and families affected by domestic violence. This bill is produced 524 00:24:08,504 --> 00:24:11,744 Speaker 1: by Manishaswarren with sound put our action by Scott Strodok. 525 00:24:11,944 --> 00:24:14,624 Speaker 1: Will be back here in your podcast feed for weekend 526 00:24:14,624 --> 00:24:17,024 Speaker 1: Watch at six am tomorrow. 527 00:24:16,944 --> 00:24:24,864 Speaker 3: And another episode of the spill at three. Bye Bye Lin.