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Speaker 1: except me. Today's Friday, the twenty ninth of November. I'm
Speaker 1: Mea Friedman and.
Speaker 2: I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm Vernon filling in for Holly today.
Speaker 1: Welcome em.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I've just been admiring EM's seven piercings in her ear,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go and get some more piercings immediately.
Speaker 3: I'm prone to not an infection, but an irritation of
Speaker 3: the ear. Yeah, and I feel like that would be
Speaker 3: multiplying it by seven, and I worry, how is your ear?
Speaker 1: Help?
Speaker 2: It's really bad. So a few of them took I
Speaker 2: think three years to heal.
Speaker 1: Cool. Cool, Yeah, it happens. Claimer on the show today,
Speaker 1: Wedding Tax Luxury content creator and bank details on wedding invites. Wait,
Speaker 1: are we putting your bank details on wedding invites. Now
Speaker 1: I think I missed a memo. We've got some questions
Speaker 1: about weddings in twenty twenty four. Plus Jesse it has
Speaker 1: a TV show that she wants you to watch, which
Speaker 1: is not unusual. I've got a brilliant podcast episode for
Speaker 1: you to listen to. And EM's got a balm for
Speaker 1: your bits. It's our recommendations and our best and worst
Speaker 1: of the week, which include the delicious part of travel,
Speaker 1: the festive season, and more news about m's bits. Just kidding,
Speaker 1: some firm words for playgrounds and feedback.
Speaker 2: But first, in case you miss it, parents are apparently
Speaker 2: making their children watch sex scenes with them, and I'm
Speaker 2: so glad this wasn't my generation. So this comes with
Speaker 2: the increasing worry that children are learning sex through porn,
Speaker 2: where sex acts like choking BDSM, calling women names like
Speaker 2: bitch and and anal and anal are kind of being
Speaker 2: seen as that's just the way sex is. Rather for
Speaker 2: our generations are were like, that's not really what sex is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's on the menu, but you don't know everybody
Speaker 1: likes it for every meal and some people don't like
Speaker 1: it at all.
Speaker 3: Well, the sexual awakening for previous generations might have been
Speaker 3: looking at your dad's Playboy or looking through, you know,
Speaker 3: some erotic book you found in your parents' room.
Speaker 1: My brother had a copy of Puberty Blues. That's how
Speaker 1: I learned about things.
Speaker 3: But now it's like the awakening in the education has
Speaker 3: all been left to pawn. So I suppose that this
Speaker 3: is a way of trying to kind of address that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so some parents are turning to sit in front
Speaker 2: of a TV with their children and watch TV shows
Speaker 2: or movies where they're actually showing a really I guess,
Speaker 2: holistic view of someone's first experience having sex that seems
Speaker 2: closest to normal.
Speaker 1: Have you got any examples?
Speaker 2: Yes, the carriage scene in Bridgeton do you remember that
Speaker 2: one in season three?
Speaker 1: That was good? Yes?
Speaker 3: And what did these kind of scenes entail that are
Speaker 3: apparently so educational.
Speaker 2: I think it's the wording around consent. Like I was
Speaker 2: looking at a redded thread. It's like this subredded that's
Speaker 2: just four teenagers where they ask questions and adults answer.
Speaker 2: And one of the questions they had was I know
Speaker 2: that I have to ask for consent. It was a
Speaker 2: voicing I know I have to ask for consent, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how to do that while still keeping
Speaker 2: the intimacy alive, And the answers were very much like,
Speaker 2: look at this scene from Never Have I Ever? It's
Speaker 2: a Mindy Kaling show on Netflix where she has sex
Speaker 2: for the first time, and it's very much like, am
Speaker 2: I okay to take a clothes off?
Speaker 3: Are you okay to do this?
Speaker 2: Can we do this and still keeping it really intimate?
Speaker 2: But I think not on sexy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's not just that, though, because I
Speaker 1: think that the sex scenes that you have in TV
Speaker 1: shows and movies generally are very different to the sex
Speaker 1: scenes that you have in porn. And if you think
Speaker 1: about the fact that most young people when they have
Speaker 1: sex for the first time will have seen hours and
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hundreds of different scenes of porn,
Speaker 1: which by definition is hardcore, and we'll be you know,
Speaker 1: because we know that porn is wired to make your
Speaker 1: mind crave more and more extreme things to hold your attention.
Speaker 1: So the sex that you see in porn, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like learning to drive by watching formula one, right.
Speaker 1: So the only problem is I don't think anybody asks
Speaker 1: teenagers about this because I have a teenager. I've got
Speaker 1: two actually, and my daughter's okay. But my son, if
Speaker 1: anything even remotely sexual happens in a show, he has
Speaker 1: to get up and watch, leave the room or turn
Speaker 1: it off.
Speaker 3: You know why, it is because no teen boy, and
Speaker 3: I would say, no teen girl wants to feel moderately
Speaker 3: aroused while in the company of their parents.
Speaker 1: Also just embarrassing.
Speaker 3: It's embarrassing. You don't want to. And I reckon that
Speaker 3: this story so this was was in the cart and
Speaker 3: it was all about family sex movie nights. This is
Speaker 3: why people aren't having kids because they.
Speaker 1: Read white people an't having sex.
Speaker 3: No, because you read stories like this, and you're like,
Speaker 3: you're telling me that when my child is fourteen, we
Speaker 3: have to go come on sexy movie night with mummy.
Speaker 3: Come on, let's put it on and look at it.
Speaker 3: See how the willy goes in the vagina here, look
Speaker 3: at all the sexy at that.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't have to go up the body.
Speaker 2: No, all the case studies were all mums and sons. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: like the daughters don't need it, clearly.
Speaker 3: Where are the others? But I reckon, this is the
Speaker 3: equivalent to putting a band aid over an open wound
Speaker 3: or trying to paint a house with a toothpick. Like,
Speaker 3: we are so far gone, what do we do?
Speaker 1: Jesse.
Speaker 3: I don't think that a single mom and her four
Speaker 3: thirteen year old boy can pick fizz. I think that
Speaker 3: we've got it. There's got to be like, whether it's
Speaker 3: about making more ethical pornography, whether it's about the way
Speaker 3: that he educated.
Speaker 1: Sit down Johnny and watch this ethical pawn together, and
Speaker 1: all the women in this consented and were paid well.
Speaker 3: Like I heard a mother saying, well, you know, poor
Speaker 3: little Johnny doesn't know how you go from the kissing
Speaker 3: to the sex. And I'm like, poor little Johnny has
Speaker 3: to work it out, because Mummy, he should with Johnny
Speaker 3: and tell him where the hand goes. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't like it.
Speaker 1: But I think that what we all accepted and didn't
Speaker 1: ever question, was that our early sexual exploration would be
Speaker 1: quite awkward, quite bumbly. Maybe you're with someone who knew
Speaker 1: a bit more than you did, but not that much
Speaker 1: more in most cases. And you know what, I think,
Speaker 1: all these things are in consent are very important. Kids
Speaker 1: get told a lot about this at school. Poor teachers
Speaker 1: in a lot of schools, they have a lot of
Speaker 1: information about this, of course, not all schools, but I
Speaker 1: think it's more and I like to have these conversations
Speaker 1: in the car. As my children will tell you they're trapped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're trapped, and they want lifts places. So that's when
Speaker 1: you say stuff to them about anal sex is like
Speaker 1: awful some people really like eating like liver or brains,
Speaker 1: but not everybody likes it, and even the people who
Speaker 1: do like it don't necessarily want to have it at
Speaker 1: every meal.
Speaker 3: Look, I know, start the conversation just like that, and
Speaker 3: look in defense of anal sex, there are lots of
Speaker 3: people who do like it. I'm not sure if comparing
Speaker 3: it to awful or liver is quite fair.
Speaker 1: But there are lots of people who really like eating
Speaker 1: brains or like liver, or like stomach. But it's not
Speaker 1: the defaults.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that things that can be harmful,
Speaker 3: whether that's choking or any like BDSM all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. It's about knowing what you actually want. And
Speaker 3: I understand trying to subject them to more of that,
Speaker 3: but the mental load on mothers come. We're much enough,
Speaker 3: We're busy enough. A wedding tax, luxury wedding content creators,
Speaker 3: bank details on invites. The people are up in arms
Speaker 3: about weddings, and it all began with a Reddit thread.
Speaker 3: So a woman named Emily, I wonder if I wish
Speaker 3: oh no, because she announced she was getting married.
Speaker 2: Luck, who was, No, you're waiting for that?
Speaker 3: Her older sister was so excited for her, right, she
Speaker 3: was just like great wedding. But this older sister jumped
Speaker 3: on the am I the Jerk subreddit to explain what
Speaker 3: happened next. So Emily, with her wedding, decided to impose
Speaker 3: a wedding tax on family members who are attending. She writes,
Speaker 3: they have a list of wedding expenses, things like venue,
Speaker 3: decor and catering, and they expect each family member to
Speaker 3: contribute extra to make it all happen. To top it off,
Speaker 3: her fiance's family is also chipping in, making the whole
Speaker 3: thing feel less like a celebration and more like a
Speaker 3: business deal. Apparently this was expected on top of buying
Speaker 3: a gift. And when she told her sister the wedding.
Speaker 2: Is true, allegedly rage bait because there's no way.
Speaker 1: There is no way, So can you explain to me?
Speaker 1: So it's like my cousin Jack, come to my wedding.
Speaker 1: You get to pay for the your de'vs.
Speaker 3: See. I think I don't know if it's cousin. I
Speaker 3: reckon it's immediate family. I reckon that it's like crowdfunding
Speaker 3: with your immediate family siblings. YEP is going, Hey, my
Speaker 3: brother Jack, you can come. But I was thinking you
Speaker 3: can pay for the photo.
Speaker 1: So it's like a gift registry, but for the cost
Speaker 1: of the wedding and you send it to immediate family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the plan. And apparently when she said
Speaker 3: to her sister, wedding should be about love, they shouldn't
Speaker 3: be a financial burden, it ended in a screaming match,
Speaker 3: and Mom and Maya spoke to Wendy L. Curry, who's
Speaker 3: from Wedded Wonderland, who said that while it's common for
Speaker 3: people to ask their parents to contribute, that's quite a
Speaker 3: common practice, or the guest to contribute to a honeymoon fund,
Speaker 3: this kind of thing is unusual. Yeah, to ask you
Speaker 3: to the sibling.
Speaker 2: You have a lot of siblings.
Speaker 3: I know, did you lean in to I could have.
Speaker 3: I really couldn't.
Speaker 1: By the time, you don't have very money down between
Speaker 1: all of them.
Speaker 3: Between all of the siblings. I think they've got one
Speaker 3: hundred bucks between them, Like they're just not rolling. You've
Speaker 3: become in debt exactly. I'm like, how did I end
Speaker 3: up here?
Speaker 1: I was also reading about this couple who put their
Speaker 1: bag details on the wedding invitation, which I thought was, Oh,
Speaker 1: I like that interesting. Really Yeah, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: was the thing that we were doing now. And then
Speaker 1: they accidentally put the wrong detail and so more the
Speaker 1: money went into someone else's account. But is that really
Speaker 1: a thing putting bank details on wedding invitations?
Speaker 3: I quite like it.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that, but I enjoy it because then
Speaker 2: you don't have to get the card, you don't have
Speaker 2: to write the message, get the cash out, and you
Speaker 2: just have to do a little message to your bank
Speaker 2: saying this is for a wedding gift, not cocaine.
Speaker 1: So is that like the wishing well? Because I thought
Speaker 1: you would give an envelope and it would be a
Speaker 1: card and it would be what cash or something like that.
Speaker 3: I asked Luka what we did, because I was like,
Speaker 3: that sounds like something we would have done put the
Speaker 3: bank details on the like, oh no, we would never
Speaker 3: have done that, And I was like, what did we
Speaker 3: do and he's like, no, no, no, we linked to
Speaker 3: a website where they could not directly transfer us because
Speaker 3: we it's just linked to your banking exactly.
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of that because I still haven't got
Speaker 1: any invitation.
Speaker 3: To you didn't get an invite. Yeah, actually we'll send
Speaker 3: you our bank details, just so idea left out. So
Speaker 3: we had a thing I think it was called hitched,
Speaker 3: and it was like you click on it, and then
Speaker 3: I think we said like your present is enough, you know,
Speaker 3: something polite, but really.
Speaker 1: It's a link to give us.
Speaker 3: It's a link. We put the link in people transferred money.
Speaker 3: But it's like, let me get this straight.
Speaker 1: It's actually quite smart so that you don't feel so
Speaker 1: grabby as putting your actual bank details. You pay a
Speaker 1: percentagize to you or a fixed fee to a third
Speaker 1: party who just diverts people to your.
Speaker 3: So look, I think it even has a picture of
Speaker 3: a wishing well.
Speaker 2: Oh and do you get their names and how much
Speaker 2: they send you?
Speaker 3: Yes? I think you do. So then you can say
Speaker 3: thank you because you want to say thank you, right,
Speaker 3: but you also want to.
Speaker 1: Say thank you for your one hundred and forty five
Speaker 1: dollars and.
Speaker 2: Then you get the taxi. It's always like point two.
Speaker 1: GST.
Speaker 3: And people can also do a card, you know. I
Speaker 3: saw a commentator sort of saying, oh, but how about
Speaker 3: the card. It's meant to be like this lovely thing
Speaker 3: that you put in the wishing well and you open
Speaker 3: it all. It's like, you can still give me a card,
Speaker 3: but you know you're probably going to give me a
Speaker 3: gift because it's my wedding. I know you're probably going
Speaker 3: to want to give me a gift. Let's not fuck
Speaker 3: around with a bunch of cutlery that I've already got
Speaker 3: because we've already lived together with right, It's.
Speaker 1: Like, we don't need another sauce bin, but we would
Speaker 1: actually like some cash to pay for petrol or this
Speaker 1: wedding or this wedding, we'll spend it how we like.
Speaker 1: I actually think that's much easier. I don't hate that.
Speaker 3: There's another trend which I'm actually quite into, and it's
Speaker 3: the luxury wedding content creator. So think someone who like
Speaker 3: makes you an Instagram real they make you a TikTok
Speaker 3: trend like of your wedding day. I found one UK
Speaker 3: based company it's.
Speaker 1: As your gift.
Speaker 3: You mean no, no, no, This is like a trend
Speaker 3: of like what people are paying for for their wedding.
Speaker 3: So I would get a photographer, I might get a videographer,
Speaker 3: and then I get a content creator.
Speaker 1: Oh, you pay for so you have to pay for
Speaker 1: a caterer, you have to pay for a venue, and
Speaker 1: you have to pay for a content.
Speaker 3: A content creator. And there's one in the UK called
Speaker 3: Content for Brides, which is revealing in its title, and
Speaker 3: they offer two to capture your love story effortlessly and
Speaker 3: deliver it within twenty four hours with social first edits
Speaker 3: that feel like home movies.
Speaker 4: Day three is a luckually wedding event content creator in Paris.
Speaker 4: Today they were having their official rehearsal, dinner and welcome party.
Speaker 4: It was in this beautiful hotel next to the Eiffel
Speaker 4: Tower with the most amazing views. The details across all
Speaker 4: of these wedding days has been incredible, so I madea
Speaker 4: to capture every last piece, from the stationery to the
Speaker 4: ice louge. It was just amazing.
Speaker 3: That's so clever, isn't it filling a gap in the market.
Speaker 3: I'm like that I would pay for.
Speaker 1: But also brides and grooms just got an extra thing
Speaker 1: to do, right, it should be a service. If wedding
Speaker 1: photographers were clever, they would provide it as an add on.
Speaker 3: Yes, But then I reckon, it's a different thing, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's a whole different.
Speaker 1: Oh you'll see it is. I only mean that they
Speaker 1: would then outsource it, so they would say, I'm a
Speaker 1: wedding photographer, but through me, tell me what package you want?
Speaker 1: Do you want a videographer as well? Do you also
Speaker 1: want to creator? And this will be the cost of
Speaker 1: the package if you want all three? This is if
Speaker 1: you want one, and I would This is the business
Speaker 1: person in me thinking I would then be offering the
Speaker 1: suite of options.
Speaker 3: Because the problem is with your wedding video because videographers
Speaker 3: have become quite it's popular. Takes a while, and then
Speaker 3: you got to sit down and watch the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I like having it there, like I've got a video
Speaker 3: of my wedding, but.
Speaker 2: But how do you post it on Instagram?
Speaker 3: How do I post it on Instagram? And therefore did
Speaker 3: it even happen? And will I ever sit down and
Speaker 3: truly watch it? Or do we want bite sized, easily
Speaker 3: consumable moments that are vibey like I quite like it.
Speaker 2: I've also seen some beef between a videographer at a
Speaker 2: wedding and a content creator at a wedding where the
Speaker 2: content creator asked the videographer, Hey, can I shadow you
Speaker 2: behind you while you take videos?
Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, just stay out.
Speaker 1: Of my way.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is the hard thing because a lot of videographers,
Speaker 3: and this is what everyone warns you about. They need
Speaker 3: to be close, they need to get a shot, but
Speaker 3: at the expense of everyone see your first kiss, at
Speaker 3: the expense of any intimacy.
Speaker 1: So now you've got surrounding you jostling for position like
Speaker 1: paparazzi at the can Film Festival. You've got your videographer,
Speaker 1: your photographer, and your content creator.
Speaker 2: And then your mum with the iPad. Yeah, there's always
Speaker 2: an iPad. There's always an iPad, And every wedding.
Speaker 3: It's my dad. It's my dad who's bringing it. That's
Speaker 3: the problem we're solving is.
Speaker 1: That a boomers try to film things on I.
Speaker 3: Don't now like I love an Apple product. If Apple
Speaker 3: wants to spend with us, please do. An iPad can't
Speaker 3: take a decent photo. It can't. It's pixelated. Dad will
Speaker 3: zoom in on someone on his iPad front facing camera,
Speaker 3: front facing, and it's like, okay, that's ruined. The's some
Speaker 3: crazy floropink case. It's always pink cases dropped.
Speaker 1: And guess what.
Speaker 3: You wake up the day after your wedding and you go, wow,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some great content. And guess what's the
Speaker 3: only photo you've got is what your dad took on
Speaker 3: his back Because these wedding photos I'm coming back for
Speaker 3: three months. The videographer, he's backed up, and so you've
Speaker 3: got your dad being like, I took this one of
Speaker 3: you and it's the worst photo you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because the lag between the wedding and
Speaker 1: the stuff being posted in this age of instant gratification
Speaker 1: is always just too long. Like you know, when someone's
Speaker 1: getting married and then months later they'll want to post
Speaker 1: all their photos and it's like nowhere over it now.
Speaker 3: And that's why people say, please don't post any pictures before.
Speaker 2: They An aunt with a Facebook album from her pov
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 3: I love them that aren't will not be told she will.
Speaker 3: It will start off with her a dress and then
Speaker 3: there's maybe a blurry picture of the bride and she's
Speaker 3: always in the aisle. How did she get in the aisle?
Speaker 3: The videographers telling her off?
Speaker 1: She know, what's kind of because I got married so
Speaker 1: long ago. My twenty fifth wedding anniversary was last week.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, thanks, I don't know, like achievement. I
Speaker 1: guess a quarter of essentially spend a long time, not
Speaker 1: a good time?
Speaker 2: Is that tin?
Speaker 1: No, it's silver silver. I don't know. I was looking
Speaker 1: back at I wasn't actually looking back, but I was
Speaker 1: thinking back. And there's a whole table of people who've died. Sorry,
Speaker 1: this got really fast that you know, Like there was
Speaker 1: an old table, like a table of kind of elderly
Speaker 1: people of that generation, like you know, grandparents and great
Speaker 1: aunts and uncles and various family friends.
Speaker 2: That you do that on purpose?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you know it was really unfortunate because
Speaker 1: we had terrible weather at our wedding and we had
Speaker 1: this awning and the awning collapsed, and like right.
Speaker 2: Over the old people's table, you gave them all pneumonia.
Speaker 1: I think that's why they died. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: not why they died.
Speaker 3: You needed a content creator with an instagal of all
Speaker 3: the old people.
Speaker 1: Well, what's so funny is when I think about all
Speaker 1: the people at our wedding, a lot of the money
Speaker 1: in our lives anymore, not that they all died, but
Speaker 1: they're just not. There was sort of transient, you know,
Speaker 1: the in the season of lifetime people in your life,
Speaker 1: and they were sort of more people who were in
Speaker 1: our lives for a reason or a season. So like
Speaker 1: maybe people we worked with at the time.
Speaker 3: How many people did you have, do you reckon?
Speaker 1: I think we had like one hundred and fifty or
Speaker 1: two hundred. I didn't like it, Like we never wanted
Speaker 1: to have a wedding like that. And also lots of
Speaker 1: partners of people that came that they.
Speaker 3: Sh broken up with. There any photos forever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were people at our table. There's you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of people who were just they were partners
Speaker 1: of close close friends. Then anyway, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: And would you do bank details on an invitation?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that sounds like the best idea. You just
Speaker 2: get everyone's money and then you're done. Oh maybe I
Speaker 2: do like cards because then they can tell me how
Speaker 2: much they love me, which is quite nice.
Speaker 1: I think they can do by Okay, yeah, at your wedding, Jesse,
Speaker 1: I remember in the photos Coco wouldn't let her girlfriend
Speaker 1: be the photos. Do to remember we made a thing
Speaker 1: about like we were joking about. She had to stand
Speaker 1: at the end in case we needed to crop her
Speaker 1: out in case you didn't stick around.
Speaker 2: We do that at family Christmas or we get off
Speaker 2: photo and then we go, oh, now all the Browns
Speaker 2: a family.
Speaker 3: It's great, it's a good method.
Speaker 1: Out Loud is in a moment. EM's got a recommendation
Speaker 1: for your Wolver. It's been a week of Wolvers and
Speaker 1: the fun continues.
Speaker 5: Hi, Holly, Jesse and maya long time out Loud listener
Speaker 5: in love with Everything Ugee. In response to your podcast
Speaker 5: the other day, I was driving when you were talking
Speaker 5: about when people say, do you know who you look like?
Speaker 5: And I yelled out in my car at the top
Speaker 5: of my lungs mea Friedman looks like Antonia Kidman. And
Speaker 5: then you said it, and I felt validated for I've
Speaker 5: been following you Mia for twenty years, and from the
Speaker 5: moment I saw you, I thought, I wonder if she's
Speaker 5: related to Nicole and Antonia Friedman isn't that far from Kidman?
Speaker 5: So definitely you look exactly like Antonia Kidman. Thanks for
Speaker 5: all you do and I can't wait for the next podcast.
Speaker 1: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your
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Speaker 3: My favorite genre of recommendation is a recommendation Mayor Friedman
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Speaker 1: It's not hard because I'm pretty picky. Usually Holly specializes
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Speaker 3: Holy British rural towns love this and em You've got
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Speaker 3: thank you so much. It's called The Day of the Jackal.
Speaker 3: It's on you hate it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I just started watching it last night.
Speaker 4: So good.
Speaker 3: So it is a remake of a nineteen seventy three
Speaker 3: film by the same name. I've obviously never heard of it.
Speaker 3: What is relevant is that Eddie Redmain is in it. Okay,
Speaker 3: Eddie Redmain is really hot and important. He's playing to
Speaker 3: you actually think that, Yes, Lucid, I had a big
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Speaker 3: in love with him yeah, Oh my goodness, who was he?
Speaker 3: He's a beautiful scene. He was a beautiful Frenchman crow
Speaker 3: and Hugh Jackman in there. Yeah, and Eddie Redmain get
Speaker 3: it together. Oh my goodness. Okay, it's a British thriller
Speaker 3: and it's also got Lashana Lynch in it. And it's
Speaker 3: perfect to watch with your partner or your parents. If
Speaker 3: you've got other people different age groups in the house,
Speaker 3: you need something to kind of that. You'll all enjoy.
Speaker 1: Any education, some sex, but not where you need to.
Speaker 3: Educate it more guns. So Red Main, whose character is
Speaker 3: a jackal. He's an assassin and in the first episode
Speaker 3: you see him carry out a near impossible assassination of
Speaker 3: a political figure and from there he's been pursued by
Speaker 3: m I six.
Speaker 1: Police are looking for him.
Speaker 6: We are reaching out to all international partners for assistance.
Speaker 1: He's an ex exceptional assassin. He will kill again.
Speaker 7: Let's stop it.
Speaker 1: There's no record of it anywhere. As a ghost.
Speaker 3: I know I can find him.
Speaker 1: I've heard good things about you, Bianca, don't let me down.
Speaker 3: So it's a bit line of Judy Bit James Bond
Speaker 3: bitborn identity. It's so good and where I'm up to
Speaker 3: You're like this. There's an Elon Musk like character and
Speaker 3: he's basically exactly there's a hit on him, Eddie Redmain,
Speaker 3: the Jackal. His job is to assassinate essentially one of
Speaker 3: the most famous rich people in the entire world. And
Speaker 3: it's about why and you know, what's going to unfold,
Speaker 3: And it's all about exposing parts of politics and government
Speaker 3: and policing and all like and the cat and mouse chase, yeah,
Speaker 3: and the things I didn't know about.
Speaker 1: Do you get anxiety? No?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean diagnosed kind of, but not for
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you think I was going to ask might seem
Speaker 1: an unrelated question, but I was going to ask because Jesse,
Speaker 1: I know you do. I've that I don't like watching
Speaker 1: things that have a lot of suspense. Yeah, I find
Speaker 1: they're unpleasant for me, Like even the first season of
Speaker 1: Bad Sisters, which I went back and tried to watch
Speaker 1: again because everyone's raving about the second season. I don't
Speaker 1: like the feeling of suspense. See I'm enjoyable.
Speaker 3: I interpret it as anticipation, and I spend my day
Speaker 3: like I've spent my day thinking about what's going to
Speaker 3: happen next. In this show. What I will say is
Speaker 3: that I'm very sensitive at the moment to any violence
Speaker 3: and even like death. I kind of bristle, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of that. There's a lot of that in
Speaker 3: this But the suspense and the story is trumping at
Speaker 3: all for me.
Speaker 2: But you do watch suspense like the Perfect Couple that's
Speaker 2: kind of like spa.
Speaker 1: No, that's like a bit of a mystery, but it's
Speaker 1: not like suspenseful. It's not like what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: It's like more curiosity. So the White Lotus and all
Speaker 1: those things where it starts with the body and then
Speaker 1: it's like a who done it? That's different.
Speaker 3: The Age basically called this the show of the year
Speaker 3: and they gave five stars.
Speaker 1: So I'm not alone.
Speaker 3: It is. It is Prestige television, It is on Binge
Speaker 3: and what have you got? So?
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much I complained about my vagina
Speaker 2: on the show until I got an email. Well, Mia,
Speaker 2: you actually got an email. Someone emailed Mia saying that
Speaker 2: they were vagina, saying that they were concerned for my vagina,
Speaker 2: and she kindly passed on to me. We have quite
Speaker 2: an interesting relationship, don't we.
Speaker 1: You and I yeah, yeah, we really do. It's not
Speaker 1: like a normal workplace is at this different.
Speaker 2: So it was a beautiful email. It was from these
Speaker 2: two sisters who have started a business together called Serenity
Speaker 2: p H. And one of them is a doctor and
Speaker 2: they help women with their vaginal health. And they were
Speaker 2: quite concerned for me, which is fair.
Speaker 1: Well, I must have missed the episode where You're Vagina.
Speaker 2: We talked about winter vagina and how to combat winter vagina,
Speaker 2: and I talked about how I got sent this oil,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't really vibing what.
Speaker 1: Is winter vagina.
Speaker 2: It was about Drina's like your vagina goes drying.
Speaker 1: That's it, perimenopause.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things.
Speaker 2: It's a vaginismus thing, it's a pcos thing. So I
Speaker 2: was talking about that, and I was talking about how
Speaker 2: like these skincare companies send me like these really expensive
Speaker 2: products that like just smell really nice and they're mental help,
Speaker 2: but they're like kind of oily and every time.
Speaker 3: I sit down, I feel like I'm on a slide
Speaker 3: of the seat.
Speaker 2: So these two beautiful sisters sent me their product, which
Speaker 2: is called the Vulvercare v Bar, and it's fifty five
Speaker 2: dollars from their website.
Speaker 3: It is so good and what does it help? Like,
Speaker 3: what's the problem it helps with?
Speaker 2: So it helps with the dryness of my vagina. So
Speaker 2: because I have vagin, this mistress I have talked about
Speaker 2: in the past, we can link that episode in the
Speaker 2: show notes. But my vagina is essentially sorry for my
Speaker 2: descriptive term, it's safe space, dry, red, and inflexible.
Speaker 1: So it's a bit angry.
Speaker 2: It's a bit angry, and it needs to be moist
Speaker 2: and pink.
Speaker 1: How's it different to like lubricant because.
Speaker 2: With vagin this miss some lubes actually sting, so it
Speaker 2: could help temporarily, but then when you want to be
Speaker 2: intimate with a partner or like use a tampon, it
Speaker 2: just hurts a lot.
Speaker 3: And a lot of products have like, as you say,
Speaker 3: fragrances or chemicals or whatever. And if you've got sensitive skin,
Speaker 3: it's the last thing.
Speaker 1: This is interesting because the other thing that happens during
Speaker 1: perimenopause and menopause is that the skin around in your
Speaker 1: vagina thins out, so it's prone to little micro tears.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Apparently I was reading this week when we did our
Speaker 3: other segment about volvers, the like shape and size and
Speaker 3: all of that of your volver changes throughout the month,
Speaker 3: like even on your cycle, Yeah, on your side, and
Speaker 3: like you know, after perimenopause and stuff. But it's so
Speaker 3: affected by hormones. Yeah, you kind of don't know what
Speaker 3: to do about it.
Speaker 2: It's so weird. But this bomb helps everything. It's even
Speaker 2: recommended for women with perimenopause.
Speaker 1: That's great because at one point I found myself using
Speaker 1: pseudo cream, that old thing which is for nappy rash.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, get the v bomb.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was a great wreco. You're expected. My Turn
Speaker 1: is a fantastic episode of mid that I was listening
Speaker 1: to with two of my best friends, Holly Wayne Wright
Speaker 1: interviewing Bruna Papinrea. Now, Bruna is one of my oldest
Speaker 1: friends and an amazing producer, Big Little Lie the dry
Speaker 1: speaking of vaginas, which was not about her vagina or
Speaker 1: in deed mind strife of course a million things. And
Speaker 1: the episode is called Ambition Says Yes and Body Says Nup.
Speaker 1: And it was such a great title because Bruna in
Speaker 1: many ways is in the one of the high points
Speaker 1: of her career. She's an incredibly successful producer. She's getting
Speaker 1: so many things done. She's got all these projects on
Speaker 1: the go, but she lives with a chronic illness and
Speaker 1: it's an invisible chronic illness and it is called loopus
Speaker 1: and it is an autoimmune disease, and she wakes up
Speaker 1: in pain every single day. And she talks about how
Speaker 1: this intersection between the highest points in her life and
Speaker 1: when she wants to do all these things and her
Speaker 1: body kind of won't let her.
Speaker 6: And I think one of the biggest ones is realizing
Speaker 6: that just at the point you kind of feel like
Speaker 6: you you know, are just getting started, you are dealing
Speaker 6: with not me so much in this moment, but like
Speaker 6: I have so many friends dealing with aging parents, parents
Speaker 6: who are dying. I'm also dealing with, you know, a
Speaker 6: pretty extreme health condition, and I'm dealing with two eleven
Speaker 6: year olds and also running a business. So yes, because
Speaker 6: I'm a very high functioning person with lupus. And every
Speaker 6: time I meet another high functioning person or meet them,
Speaker 6: even when I hear about one, you know, Selena Gomez,
Speaker 6: you know, the one of the Willing Sisters, you know,
Speaker 6: it gives me, It just kind of makes me feel
Speaker 6: good because I'm like, well, they can do it. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: sometimes I will just crash, and just because if I'm
Speaker 6: not looking after myself, which is crucial and as women,
Speaker 6: I think we do often. I think there's some crazy
Speaker 6: stat that women go to the doctor and look after
Speaker 6: themselves so much less after they have children. We just
Speaker 6: prioritize things in a different way.
Speaker 1: She also talks about Holly and Bruno both have husbands
Speaker 1: who have really lent in to family life because they
Speaker 1: both had kids later in life and their husband's or
Speaker 1: Holly's partner has leaned in because you know, Bruna has
Speaker 1: to travel. I think she's been to Europe eight times
Speaker 1: this year for work, and the States maybe seven times,
Speaker 1: and her husband and Brent often. Because Holly comes down
Speaker 1: to Sydney for work a lot and travels, Brent does
Speaker 1: the same. There It's just a really interesting conversation between
Speaker 1: two really interesting women. I loved it.
Speaker 2: I loved that fire.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to Yeah, have a listen. I just
Speaker 1: love it. Now in a moment, there's some more of
Speaker 1: the show coming up. I'm driving and so probably in
Speaker 1: the script I was meant to prepare a little line
Speaker 1: this is why I don't get to drive very often,
Speaker 1: But we'll be back after a break to talk more.
Speaker 3: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of MUMMYA
Speaker 3: out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers, follow the link in
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Speaker 2: It is time for best and Worse. This is a
Speaker 2: part of the show where we talk a little bit
Speaker 2: more about our personal lives. Because my recommendation wasn't personal
Speaker 2: enough clearly, Jesse, what is your worst of the week?
Speaker 3: My worst? Boring but true. Teething baby And yesterday things
Speaker 3: got so bad with Luna in her teeth. She grumbled
Speaker 3: and she cried all day and it got so bad.
Speaker 3: I had to call Lucra and say, you have to
Speaker 3: come home, like I can't.
Speaker 1: Doesn't hurt them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's got most of her teeth. I was like,
Speaker 3: are there any left to come down? But I think
Speaker 3: there's the big ones are coming down, and she's just
Speaker 3: like she won't sleep, she won't eat, she can't be
Speaker 3: distracted like she was so distressed, and it was I
Speaker 3: think from seven thirty to about two pm she just
Speaker 3: cried the entire time because of her teeth, and we
Speaker 3: were doing all the things that you're meant to, but
Speaker 3: it was so so full on. And then over the weekend,
Speaker 3: like I was meant to go and visit my pop
Speaker 3: and there are a bunch of things I want to
Speaker 3: do and I just went, I just can't do it
Speaker 3: with her, Like she's just on the weekend. Yeah, not
Speaker 3: her best self. And you know what, Like I'm awful
Speaker 3: when I'm in pain too, but that's because I can
Speaker 3: winge about it, and this is her and it's so.
Speaker 2: Annoying because then they lose them anyway, So what's the point.
Speaker 3: What's the point?
Speaker 1: Is the point?
Speaker 3: Am? Like, just don't get teeth till you're fine? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess it's to just nare on them to eat stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my best is I had my family Christmas over the
Speaker 3: weekend on early mom's side, yep. So what we do
Speaker 3: is in order to get there's like fifty of us
Speaker 3: on mom's side, and in order to do that, we
Speaker 3: do it like a month early because everyone goes away
Speaker 3: and school holidays and blah blah blah, and we're like,
Speaker 3: let's just do it super super early. And the kids
Speaker 3: love it because they like get presents early. It was
Speaker 3: really special because it was the first Christmas. Like, Luna
Speaker 3: was very toddler that day. She was not her best self.
Speaker 3: But to watch her like properly open a present for
Speaker 3: the first time, like actually get really excited was really special.
Speaker 3: And meet all her cousins properly, it was lovely. I
Speaker 3: think she's developed this habit of every time she sees
Speaker 3: someone she doesn't really know, she yells away and swats
Speaker 3: them like a fly. Oh I didn't teach her that,
Speaker 3: I think for all of us. The grandmother told her
Speaker 3: that to try me. Yea, I swear she goes to
Speaker 3: your house and she comes back.
Speaker 1: With these terrible habits. Well, it's funny because I have
Speaker 1: started implementing. I tried a new thing for the first
Speaker 1: time this week, which is when I'm invited to do
Speaker 1: something that I don't want to do, you say away
Speaker 1: and swoop them. I literally reply, oh no, I'd hate that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I tried it this week for the first time.
Speaker 3: How did that go?
Speaker 1: Went quite well? Quite well. I felt really liberated because
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh I'm sorry, I'm just like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'd hate that, because I would hate that. Right I'd
Speaker 1: been invited to do this social thing and go to
Speaker 1: the sea the tennis and I'm not interested in tennis,
Speaker 1: and blah blah. I would love that, well exactly, and
Speaker 1: you would love that, but I would not love that.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, oh no, i'd hate that.
Speaker 3: Is that not offensive to the person? If I extended
Speaker 3: you and invite and I said, Maya, would you like
Speaker 3: to come to my netball game to watch me play netball?
Speaker 1: And you said, oh no, I'd hate that.
Speaker 3: I would be so offended.
Speaker 2: I think it's important in the time. I don't think
Speaker 2: you can say that like on an email.
Speaker 1: Well I did. I said it in a text and
Speaker 1: I said, oh no, I hate that. I'd hate that,
Speaker 1: And then I said to say lol.
Speaker 3: It was to my cousin, okay, but I.
Speaker 1: Said to him just in case it wasn't clear, and
Speaker 1: he thought I was being santastic. Seriously, I would actually
Speaker 1: hate that. Sh So I just had to hammer at home. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I highly recommend that. Maybe that should have been my
Speaker 1: recommendation radical candor.
Speaker 3: Mayo, what's your worst?
Speaker 1: My worst is also child related. I had forgotten since
Speaker 1: in the time that I spent between having little kids
Speaker 1: as a mother and now having little kids as a grandmother,
Speaker 1: how much I hate playgrounds?
Speaker 3: Talk to me because I'm a pleased I actually love
Speaker 3: a playground.
Speaker 1: Do I hate playgrounds? I have a friend who used
Speaker 1: to call it death by park because when your kids
Speaker 1: are little, there's only so much you can do. And
Speaker 1: certainly I've forgotten that you can't stay home all the time,
Speaker 1: because I do like to stay home, but they get bored.
Speaker 1: You have to go out. You have to have outings.
Speaker 1: You don't want to spend money necessarily, they don't necessarily
Speaker 1: be in the pram. Parks are free, Parks are outdoors.
Speaker 1: Parks are great, except I hate them. Although why I just.
Speaker 2: Had to try telling Luna I would hate doing that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'd hate that where she's like, we let's
Speaker 1: go to the park.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I hate that because she's developed like a parkage.
Speaker 1: Lets look at my phone in.
Speaker 3: Come on at my phone.
Speaker 1: You sit there while I look at my phone. That
Speaker 1: will be so fun, and.
Speaker 3: Will sit quietly alone. Here here's an iPad, grandma maya, No, no.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I'm under so much pressure because
Speaker 1: we can't have any screen distractions. So off I am
Speaker 1: to the playground. Right And also I'll do anything for her.
Speaker 1: The good news, there've been two new developments since I've
Speaker 1: been spending time in playgrounds. Banana bread is still a feature.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yes, still with the classic playground, the classic snack of playgrounds.
Speaker 1: Playground have gotten more interesting, Like they've gotten much safer.
Speaker 1: So there's like the playgrounds near my house, it's more boring. Well, no,
Speaker 1: they've done a big renovation of it and now it's
Speaker 1: all accessible. So there's like wheelchair swings that you can
Speaker 1: lie in for kids who are maybe in chairs or
Speaker 1: who can't sit up on their own. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot more shade, and there's like different levels of slippery dip, and.
Speaker 3: There's less screws poking up through the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like everything's like quite safe and quite interesting. But
Speaker 1: the best development since I was lasting playgrounds is air pods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I can pop my air pods in. I can
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast while still being very present and
Speaker 1: making sure she doesn't go backwards down the slippery dip.
Speaker 3: What I've noticed is that the fathers bring a speaker.
Speaker 3: The father's allowspeaker, a loudspeaker. They bring like a little
Speaker 3: handheld speaker and they set it up and they play
Speaker 3: their music in the part like watch Elton John in
Speaker 3: the past one eleven am.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they just put an AirPods because.
Speaker 3: The everyone wants to listen to their music now, everyone wants.
Speaker 1: That's what AirPods are for. That's what headphones.
Speaker 3: No, they're doing community service for all of us.
Speaker 1: Everyone. But what I have noticed, because lest anyone cancel
Speaker 1: me or shame me, I am still very attentive Jesse.
Speaker 1: I take one out so I can always hear her.
Speaker 1: But also I'm not It's like she's one and a half.
Speaker 1: It's not like I cannot look at her, but I'm
Speaker 1: watching her all the time. But that's just not very interesting. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's actually anyway, what are the rules.
Speaker 2: Of the playground? Because you know, I like a swing.
Speaker 2: I think we all as adults like sometimes swinging.
Speaker 3: But if it's my turn, okay, that's actually I'm learning
Speaker 3: about the politics because I think you've got to keep
Speaker 3: an eye out. I did go the other day, and
Speaker 3: I swear that kid was on the swing for twenty
Speaker 3: five minutes and treadmills at the gym. My child is
Speaker 3: clearly hovering. I think it's time to get off the
Speaker 3: swing and Luna. She has a book about parks, and
Speaker 3: so when she first went to the park, it was
Speaker 3: like she'd gone to Paris. Like you know how you
Speaker 3: read about Paris and then you're like, I'm here. That
Speaker 3: was Luna with a slide's know of you from my books.
Speaker 3: You're a real thing. You're a real thing. Holy shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's so funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's parks. Lots of chats in parks, a
Speaker 1: lot more dads in parks than there were ten twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. I've noticed playing the music with their speakers.
Speaker 1: My best is also child related. I bought Luna a
Speaker 1: feminist toy kitchen.
Speaker 3: Speak to me of how it's not just branding that
Speaker 3: acted that last minute. They just wrote feminist in front
Speaker 3: of toy kitchen, just her.
Speaker 1: I just threw in the word feminist to make myself
Speaker 1: feel better about finding her gender enormative toys.
Speaker 2: She's full enough to lion.
Speaker 1: So I bought. And one of the little known things
Speaker 1: about me is how much I like assembling things. So
Speaker 1: this kitchen, it got it in the Black Friday sales
Speaker 1: and it's got like all little foods. It's got so
Speaker 1: much stuff. I think it's got running water. I haven't
Speaker 1: worked out how to make that happen yet, but I
Speaker 1: had just the best time assembling it. Luna couldn't not
Speaker 1: have been less interested. She was like, I don't care
Speaker 1: about that kitchen. I'm not interested. She thought it was
Speaker 1: your toy, and she to go through her clothes because
Speaker 1: that's what she likes to do with Nana and put
Speaker 1: Nana's bracelets on her feet.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's just not a very feminist and she didn't want.
Speaker 1: We had a good old feminist time, me building the
Speaker 1: kitchen and her playing with clothes and jewels.
Speaker 3: I'd like to know that wear in the genetic line
Speaker 3: between you and I made you think she wanted to
Speaker 3: spend time in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: That's the point. And because she's do you know why?
Speaker 1: Because she never sees anyone in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: It's like, what what a kitchen's for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the playground, the cycle. I look at her,
Speaker 1: you're so.
Speaker 3: And what is your worst? Okay? So my worst?
Speaker 2: My biggest fear and I can say this because Holly's
Speaker 2: not here, but my biggest fear is accidentally marrying into
Speaker 2: an outdoorsy family. Yep, yep, I am terrified at them
Speaker 2: I grew up thinking holidays were cocktails by the pool,
Speaker 2: like seafood at the beach, just having big naps. And
Speaker 2: then I found out that some families go on bike rides.
Speaker 3: They're like doing a walk.
Speaker 1: So he Foster Blake and Hamish do out with their kids.
Speaker 1: And he was a bike rider and she wasn't, but
Speaker 1: she's become one, and now they go on family bike
Speaker 1: riding holidays, which.
Speaker 3: Actually feel envious looking at the photos, and then I think,
Speaker 3: but your bum gets sorer on a bike.
Speaker 1: I like the photos, but I wouldn't like to have
Speaker 1: to actually do the riding up the hills.
Speaker 2: And they haven't considered the future partners of their children,
Speaker 2: so that's where it all goes wrong.
Speaker 1: But don't you think that whatever your parents make you
Speaker 1: do as a kid, it's the opposite of what you
Speaker 1: want to do when you get to be an adult.
Speaker 1: Like my parents made me do road trips, which I
Speaker 1: freaking hate and I will never go in a car
Speaker 1: longer than about ten kilometers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then when you go back home for Christmas
Speaker 2: and you want to impress their parents, and they're like,
Speaker 2: impress me by.
Speaker 1: Walking, oh, with someone else's p Anyway, this.
Speaker 2: Is like beyond the thing anyway, So I had to
Speaker 2: go on a hike. I was overseas, which was really nice,
Speaker 2: very first of all, problem part of the itinerary was
Speaker 2: like going on a.
Speaker 3: High how long is that with a guy?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, just with like a group of people,
Speaker 2: and just made me think about what my potential future
Speaker 2: could be.
Speaker 3: Like it was very deep.
Speaker 2: So we went on a hike in a big tour group.
Speaker 2: Like it was a seven k hike, which I was like,
Speaker 2: this is fine. I walk seven k's every day.
Speaker 1: That's not far.
Speaker 2: A seven k walk is different to a seven k hike.
Speaker 1: Okay, was it up? It was up? Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: it was down and.
Speaker 2: Then it goes down, but then it goes back up again.
Speaker 1: But also sometimes down is harder. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for your knees, things were locking. I thank god
Speaker 2: I had my v balm for my chafe.
Speaker 3: Did you have your or your hiking gear on?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: You know, because the itinerary said I'm walking to a
Speaker 2: tree top view for seven ks, I'm like, I can
Speaker 2: do a seven k walk.
Speaker 1: Did you not get the point where it was a view?
Speaker 1: It's probably somewhere high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there would be a lift and there
Speaker 2: wasn't a lift in the forest. It was also in Singapore,
Speaker 2: so it was like thirty five degree heat and raining.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, No, it was insane. But now it's
Speaker 3: like I've rebranded, like you're a hiking girl. I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate it and never do it again,
Speaker 2: but I've done it once, so I feel like that counts.
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it?
Speaker 3: No, okay, I hated it. Did you get a photo?
Speaker 2: I did get a lot of photos. I's a lot
Speaker 2: of sweaty photos. It look like I've done something. I
Speaker 2: love it, but yeah, that was my worst. I don't
Speaker 2: think hykes should be a thing. I think they should
Speaker 2: put on holiday.
Speaker 1: It's very unpopular opinion to not love nature, Like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the default that everyone's meant to love nature.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a bit overrated.
Speaker 2: My best, though, is part of the whole hike situation.
Speaker 2: Big picture was I did get to go to Singapore
Speaker 2: for a week, which was so much fun, so with
Speaker 2: my first international holiday, and I was just kind of
Speaker 2: like aware of the biggest differences. But like, she's never
Speaker 2: been overseas before before COVID, so my last overseas trip
Speaker 2: was in India twenty twenty, just before COVID happened, and
Speaker 2: then I never went overseas again. I think I was
Speaker 2: a bit scared and I didn't really understand. And everyone's
Speaker 2: losing their luggage. I was like, I can't deal with that.
Speaker 3: It was horrible.
Speaker 2: So I found out that like people in airport, it's
Speaker 2: such like a much better experience, like everyone seen so
Speaker 2: much nicer, a bit more calm, like respecting each other spaces.
Speaker 3: That all goes to shit when you.
Speaker 2: Get on the plane. No one knows how to act
Speaker 2: on a plane.
Speaker 3: It is no I think we've become worse after COVID
Speaker 3: as well on place. It's bad.
Speaker 1: The funny thing was traveling just after COVID, when flights
Speaker 1: were just opening up again and everyone had forgotten how
Speaker 1: to travel, Like the lines were so long because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what do I got to take out in my bag again?
Speaker 1: What hang on? I've oh, I've got my phone in
Speaker 1: my pocket, like everyone just forgot Can.
Speaker 3: I ask what you saw in Singapore? Like what were
Speaker 3: the highlights?
Speaker 2: Okay, the food was amazing. So I'm so sorry for
Speaker 2: anyone who has allergies or dietares because this part will suck.
Speaker 2: But the group that I went to had no dietares,
Speaker 2: which apparently was the first for the PR person and
Speaker 2: she was like, I'm just gonna go crazy and the
Speaker 2: amount of food we ate was insane.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 2: Like Singapore is such an underrated holiday destination. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's a place that you just stop over before
Speaker 2: you go to your holiday. Everyone needs a holiday and
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Think about like hiking and stuff in Singapore.
Speaker 3: It's stunning, like them so close to Malaysia. We did
Speaker 3: the same. We stopped once, but we did a trip
Speaker 3: and we did the night zoo oh jale No I
Speaker 3: didn't get to do the nights and Universal Studios. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so good, so much.
Speaker 2: Then everything's within like thirty minutes because it's so small
Speaker 2: and they have so much to do so clean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go to Singapore.
Speaker 3: That was my best.
Speaker 1: That's all we have time for today. A big thank
Speaker 1: you to all of you the out louders for listening
Speaker 1: to today's show. We'll be back in your ears next
Speaker 1: week and read us out.
Speaker 2: A massive thank you to our out Loud team, our
Speaker 2: Tea Lady and group ep Root. Devine had a big
Speaker 2: wedding for her first marriage and eloped for her second
Speaker 2: she turn out of ten would recommend.
Speaker 1: She's been here for three months now. Who Yes, we've
Speaker 1: been saying that she came in for an interview about
Speaker 1: something completely unrelated to this show, and she's never been
Speaker 1: allowed to leave. We've blocked the exits.
Speaker 2: Concerning executive producer Emiline Gozillas is in need of a
Speaker 2: life best because she is drowning in wedding season and em.
Speaker 1: Got a promotion this week. She's now the sam producer.
Speaker 2: Look at her.
Speaker 1: God, she looks a lot like Ariana Grande.
Speaker 2: Because she's got a high pony.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can wing Darlina all right.
Speaker 2: Our audio producer is Leah Porge's. She refuses to pay
Speaker 2: the exorbitan wedding prices and will one day elope like Ruth.
Speaker 2: And our video producer is Josh Green. He thinks weddings
Speaker 2: are ridiculous, hence why he ran off to the mountains
Speaker 2: to a lope. We have an eloping team.
Speaker 1: We do he elopes just a week and a half ago.
Speaker 3: I think is it at all a coincidence that our team,
Speaker 3: who do all of the hard work that sit on
Speaker 3: the other side of the MIC's eloped and you and I.
Speaker 1: Put it fast exchange.
Speaker 3: Development out loud as we know you're not ready to
Speaker 3: say goodbye, so we thought we'd leave you with a
Speaker 3: little bit of a conversation we had on a subscriber
Speaker 3: episode about Christmas dilemmas.
Speaker 7: These days, it feels like maybe it's social media and
Speaker 7: all those things that Christmas present should be as high
Speaker 7: as the tree, and everybody's getting design of this, and
Speaker 7: iPad that and Apple watch this, and it's thousands.
Speaker 3: Of dollars and who's got that?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I also reckon I actually agree with your friend who
Speaker 3: gets offended that if there is a limit on how
Speaker 3: much you spend, I think we've all just got to
Speaker 3: agree to stick to the limit. Bye bye Ba.
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