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I'm 0:00:38.007 --> 0:00:38.967 Mea Friedman and. 0:00:38.887 --> 0:00:42.247 I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm Vernon filling in for Holly today. 0:00:42.367 --> 0:00:42.927 Welcome em. 0:00:42.967 --> 0:00:43.647 Thank you so much. 0:00:43.687 --> 0:00:47.007 I've just been admiring EM's seven piercings in her ear, 0:00:47.487 --> 0:00:50.607 and I'm going to go and get some more piercings immediately. 0:00:50.967 --> 0:00:54.207 I'm prone to not an infection, but an irritation of 0:00:54.287 --> 0:00:56.447 the ear. Yeah, and I feel like that would be 0:00:56.567 --> 0:00:58.927 multiplying it by seven, and I worry, how is your ear? 0:00:58.967 --> 0:00:59.207 Help? 0:00:59.287 --> 0:01:01.047 It's really bad. So a few of them took I 0:01:01.087 --> 0:01:02.167 think three years to heal. 0:01:02.607 --> 0:01:06.687 Cool. Cool, Yeah, it happens. Claimer on the show today, 0:01:06.967 --> 0:01:12.927 Wedding Tax Luxury content creator and bank details on wedding invites. Wait, 0:01:12.967 --> 0:01:15.327 are we putting your bank details on wedding invites. Now 0:01:15.367 --> 0:01:18.127 I think I missed a memo. We've got some questions 0:01:18.207 --> 0:01:21.247 about weddings in twenty twenty four. Plus Jesse it has 0:01:21.287 --> 0:01:23.767 a TV show that she wants you to watch, which 0:01:23.807 --> 0:01:26.527 is not unusual. I've got a brilliant podcast episode for 0:01:26.567 --> 0:01:29.287 you to listen to. And EM's got a balm for 0:01:29.367 --> 0:01:32.967 your bits. It's our recommendations and our best and worst 0:01:32.967 --> 0:01:35.327 of the week, which include the delicious part of travel, 0:01:35.607 --> 0:01:39.887 the festive season, and more news about m's bits. Just kidding, 0:01:40.207 --> 0:01:43.847 some firm words for playgrounds and feedback. 0:01:44.007 --> 0:01:47.847 But first, in case you miss it, parents are apparently 0:01:47.967 --> 0:01:51.647 making their children watch sex scenes with them, and I'm 0:01:51.687 --> 0:01:55.447 so glad this wasn't my generation. So this comes with 0:01:55.527 --> 0:01:58.847 the increasing worry that children are learning sex through porn, 0:01:59.127 --> 0:02:02.927 where sex acts like choking BDSM, calling women names like 0:02:03.007 --> 0:02:06.127 bitch and and anal and anal are kind of being 0:02:06.167 --> 0:02:09.087 seen as that's just the way sex is. Rather for 0:02:09.247 --> 0:02:11.887 our generations are were like, that's not really what sex is. 0:02:12.087 --> 0:02:15.127 Well, it's on the menu, but you don't know everybody 0:02:15.247 --> 0:02:17.767 likes it for every meal and some people don't like 0:02:17.807 --> 0:02:18.167 it at all. 0:02:18.287 --> 0:02:21.367 Well, the sexual awakening for previous generations might have been 0:02:21.567 --> 0:02:25.567 looking at your dad's Playboy or looking through, you know, 0:02:25.607 --> 0:02:27.527 some erotic book you found in your parents' room. 0:02:27.567 --> 0:02:30.367 My brother had a copy of Puberty Blues. That's how 0:02:30.407 --> 0:02:31.367 I learned about things. 0:02:31.487 --> 0:02:35.487 But now it's like the awakening in the education has 0:02:35.527 --> 0:02:37.447 all been left to pawn. So I suppose that this 0:02:37.567 --> 0:02:40.407 is a way of trying to kind of address that. 0:02:40.727 --> 0:02:44.687 Yeah, so some parents are turning to sit in front 0:02:44.727 --> 0:02:48.527 of a TV with their children and watch TV shows 0:02:48.647 --> 0:02:52.367 or movies where they're actually showing a really I guess, 0:02:52.407 --> 0:02:56.327 holistic view of someone's first experience having sex that seems 0:02:56.407 --> 0:02:57.607 closest to normal. 0:02:57.807 --> 0:02:59.047 Have you got any examples? 0:02:59.287 --> 0:03:01.727 Yes, the carriage scene in Bridgeton do you remember that 0:03:01.767 --> 0:03:03.007 one in season three? 0:03:03.727 --> 0:03:05.167 That was good? Yes? 0:03:05.487 --> 0:03:07.847 And what did these kind of scenes entail that are 0:03:07.847 --> 0:03:10.127 apparently so educational. 0:03:10.367 --> 0:03:13.367 I think it's the wording around consent. Like I was 0:03:13.367 --> 0:03:16.367 looking at a redded thread. It's like this subredded that's 0:03:16.447 --> 0:03:19.447 just four teenagers where they ask questions and adults answer. 0:03:19.927 --> 0:03:22.767 And one of the questions they had was I know 0:03:22.887 --> 0:03:24.727 that I have to ask for consent. It was a 0:03:24.767 --> 0:03:26.407 voicing I know I have to ask for consent, but 0:03:26.407 --> 0:03:29.807 I'm not sure how to do that while still keeping 0:03:29.927 --> 0:03:33.607 the intimacy alive, And the answers were very much like, 0:03:34.047 --> 0:03:36.407 look at this scene from Never Have I Ever? It's 0:03:36.447 --> 0:03:38.447 a Mindy Kaling show on Netflix where she has sex 0:03:38.487 --> 0:03:40.687 for the first time, and it's very much like, am 0:03:40.727 --> 0:03:41.887 I okay to take a clothes off? 0:03:41.967 --> 0:03:42.807 Are you okay to do this? 0:03:42.927 --> 0:03:45.767 Can we do this and still keeping it really intimate? 0:03:45.967 --> 0:03:48.007 But I think not on sexy. 0:03:48.087 --> 0:03:50.087 Yeah. I think it's not just that, though, because I 0:03:50.127 --> 0:03:52.607 think that the sex scenes that you have in TV 0:03:52.727 --> 0:03:55.847 shows and movies generally are very different to the sex 0:03:55.887 --> 0:03:58.487 scenes that you have in porn. And if you think 0:03:58.527 --> 0:04:01.087 about the fact that most young people when they have 0:04:01.167 --> 0:04:03.247 sex for the first time will have seen hours and 0:04:03.287 --> 0:04:06.247 hours and hours and hundreds of different scenes of porn, 0:04:06.607 --> 0:04:10.127 which by definition is hardcore, and we'll be you know, 0:04:10.167 --> 0:04:13.927 because we know that porn is wired to make your 0:04:13.967 --> 0:04:18.047 mind crave more and more extreme things to hold your attention. 0:04:18.527 --> 0:04:20.767 So the sex that you see in porn, it's kind 0:04:20.767 --> 0:04:23.447 of like learning to drive by watching formula one, right. 0:04:23.887 --> 0:04:26.607 So the only problem is I don't think anybody asks 0:04:26.647 --> 0:04:30.407 teenagers about this because I have a teenager. I've got 0:04:30.407 --> 0:04:35.127 two actually, and my daughter's okay. But my son, if 0:04:35.207 --> 0:04:39.167 anything even remotely sexual happens in a show, he has 0:04:39.247 --> 0:04:41.127 to get up and watch, leave the room or turn 0:04:41.167 --> 0:04:41.527 it off. 0:04:41.727 --> 0:04:43.967 You know why, it is because no teen boy, and 0:04:44.007 --> 0:04:46.207 I would say, no teen girl wants to feel moderately 0:04:46.247 --> 0:04:48.367 aroused while in the company of their parents. 0:04:48.447 --> 0:04:49.567 Also just embarrassing. 0:04:49.567 --> 0:04:51.967 It's embarrassing. You don't want to. And I reckon that 0:04:52.087 --> 0:04:54.487 this story so this was was in the cart and 0:04:54.527 --> 0:04:58.847 it was all about family sex movie nights. This is 0:04:58.847 --> 0:05:00.687 why people aren't having kids because they. 0:05:00.647 --> 0:05:02.087 Read white people an't having sex. 0:05:02.207 --> 0:05:04.207 No, because you read stories like this, and you're like, 0:05:04.287 --> 0:05:06.767 you're telling me that when my child is fourteen, we 0:05:06.887 --> 0:05:09.407 have to go come on sexy movie night with mummy. 0:05:09.567 --> 0:05:11.207 Come on, let's put it on and look at it. 0:05:11.247 --> 0:05:14.007 See how the willy goes in the vagina here, look 0:05:14.007 --> 0:05:14.887 at all the sexy at that. 0:05:15.127 --> 0:05:16.487 No, it doesn't have to go up the body. 0:05:16.647 --> 0:05:20.047 No, all the case studies were all mums and sons. Yes, yeah, 0:05:20.167 --> 0:05:22.367 like the daughters don't need it, clearly. 0:05:22.887 --> 0:05:25.407 Where are the others? But I reckon, this is the 0:05:25.447 --> 0:05:28.807 equivalent to putting a band aid over an open wound 0:05:29.047 --> 0:05:31.487 or trying to paint a house with a toothpick. Like, 0:05:32.567 --> 0:05:34.767 we are so far gone, what do we do? 0:05:34.887 --> 0:05:35.167 Jesse. 0:05:35.447 --> 0:05:38.967 I don't think that a single mom and her four 0:05:39.047 --> 0:05:41.527 thirteen year old boy can pick fizz. I think that 0:05:41.607 --> 0:05:43.887 we've got it. There's got to be like, whether it's 0:05:43.887 --> 0:05:47.447 about making more ethical pornography, whether it's about the way 0:05:47.487 --> 0:05:48.807 that he educated. 0:05:48.527 --> 0:05:52.527 Sit down Johnny and watch this ethical pawn together, and 0:05:52.687 --> 0:05:55.407 all the women in this consented and were paid well. 0:05:55.527 --> 0:05:57.527 Like I heard a mother saying, well, you know, poor 0:05:57.527 --> 0:06:00.527 little Johnny doesn't know how you go from the kissing 0:06:00.567 --> 0:06:02.487 to the sex. And I'm like, poor little Johnny has 0:06:02.527 --> 0:06:06.847 to work it out, because Mummy, he should with Johnny 0:06:07.127 --> 0:06:09.287 and tell him where the hand goes. I don't I 0:06:09.407 --> 0:06:10.087 don't like it. 0:06:10.007 --> 0:06:13.247 But I think that what we all accepted and didn't 0:06:13.247 --> 0:06:17.967 ever question, was that our early sexual exploration would be 0:06:18.367 --> 0:06:21.887 quite awkward, quite bumbly. Maybe you're with someone who knew 0:06:21.887 --> 0:06:23.727 a bit more than you did, but not that much 0:06:23.767 --> 0:06:26.767 more in most cases. And you know what, I think, 0:06:26.767 --> 0:06:29.327 all these things are in consent are very important. Kids 0:06:29.447 --> 0:06:32.207 get told a lot about this at school. Poor teachers 0:06:32.487 --> 0:06:34.127 in a lot of schools, they have a lot of 0:06:34.167 --> 0:06:37.247 information about this, of course, not all schools, but I 0:06:37.287 --> 0:06:40.007 think it's more and I like to have these conversations 0:06:40.007 --> 0:06:43.047 in the car. As my children will tell you they're trapped. Yeah, 0:06:43.047 --> 0:06:46.367 they're trapped, and they want lifts places. So that's when 0:06:46.407 --> 0:06:50.447 you say stuff to them about anal sex is like 0:06:51.007 --> 0:06:55.447 awful some people really like eating like liver or brains, 0:06:55.927 --> 0:06:58.447 but not everybody likes it, and even the people who 0:06:58.487 --> 0:07:00.767 do like it don't necessarily want to have it at 0:07:00.807 --> 0:07:01.367 every meal. 0:07:01.527 --> 0:07:04.607 Look, I know, start the conversation just like that, and 0:07:04.647 --> 0:07:07.367 look in defense of anal sex, there are lots of 0:07:07.407 --> 0:07:09.127 people who do like it. I'm not sure if comparing 0:07:09.127 --> 0:07:11.007 it to awful or liver is quite fair. 0:07:10.807 --> 0:07:12.567 But there are lots of people who really like eating 0:07:12.567 --> 0:07:16.647 brains or like liver, or like stomach. But it's not 0:07:16.687 --> 0:07:17.487 the defaults. 0:07:17.567 --> 0:07:20.247 Yeah, and I think that things that can be harmful, 0:07:20.287 --> 0:07:23.607 whether that's choking or any like BDSM all that kind 0:07:23.647 --> 0:07:27.767 of stuff. It's about knowing what you actually want. And 0:07:27.807 --> 0:07:29.967 I understand trying to subject them to more of that, 0:07:30.007 --> 0:07:32.727 but the mental load on mothers come. We're much enough, 0:07:32.807 --> 0:07:45.847 We're busy enough. A wedding tax, luxury wedding content creators, 0:07:45.927 --> 0:07:49.167 bank details on invites. The people are up in arms 0:07:49.207 --> 0:07:52.247 about weddings, and it all began with a Reddit thread. 0:07:52.807 --> 0:07:55.647 So a woman named Emily, I wonder if I wish 0:07:55.807 --> 0:07:57.487 oh no, because she announced she was getting married. 0:07:58.727 --> 0:08:01.527 Luck, who was, No, you're waiting for that? 0:08:03.247 --> 0:08:06.167 Her older sister was so excited for her, right, she 0:08:06.327 --> 0:08:09.087 was just like great wedding. But this older sister jumped 0:08:09.127 --> 0:08:12.167 on the am I the Jerk subreddit to explain what 0:08:12.247 --> 0:08:17.287 happened next. So Emily, with her wedding, decided to impose 0:08:17.367 --> 0:08:21.087 a wedding tax on family members who are attending. She writes, 0:08:21.247 --> 0:08:23.807 they have a list of wedding expenses, things like venue, 0:08:23.847 --> 0:08:27.207 decor and catering, and they expect each family member to 0:08:27.247 --> 0:08:30.607 contribute extra to make it all happen. To top it off, 0:08:30.607 --> 0:08:34.047 her fiance's family is also chipping in, making the whole 0:08:34.047 --> 0:08:36.647 thing feel less like a celebration and more like a 0:08:36.687 --> 0:08:40.327 business deal. Apparently this was expected on top of buying 0:08:40.327 --> 0:08:43.407 a gift. And when she told her sister the wedding. 0:08:43.047 --> 0:08:46.887 Is true, allegedly rage bait because there's no way. 0:08:47.087 --> 0:08:49.207 There is no way, So can you explain to me? 0:08:49.367 --> 0:08:53.247 So it's like my cousin Jack, come to my wedding. 0:08:53.607 --> 0:08:56.367 You get to pay for the your de'vs. 0:08:56.687 --> 0:08:59.007 See. I think I don't know if it's cousin. I 0:08:59.087 --> 0:09:02.127 reckon it's immediate family. I reckon that it's like crowdfunding 0:09:02.127 --> 0:09:06.287 with your immediate family siblings. YEP is going, Hey, my 0:09:06.407 --> 0:09:08.487 brother Jack, you can come. But I was thinking you 0:09:08.527 --> 0:09:09.207 can pay for the photo. 0:09:09.367 --> 0:09:11.767 So it's like a gift registry, but for the cost 0:09:11.807 --> 0:09:15.327 of the wedding and you send it to immediate family. 0:09:15.607 --> 0:09:18.487 Yeah, so that's the plan. And apparently when she said 0:09:18.487 --> 0:09:20.927 to her sister, wedding should be about love, they shouldn't 0:09:20.927 --> 0:09:23.887 be a financial burden, it ended in a screaming match, 0:09:24.567 --> 0:09:27.487 and Mom and Maya spoke to Wendy L. Curry, who's 0:09:27.487 --> 0:09:30.207 from Wedded Wonderland, who said that while it's common for 0:09:30.247 --> 0:09:32.687 people to ask their parents to contribute, that's quite a 0:09:32.727 --> 0:09:36.327 common practice, or the guest to contribute to a honeymoon fund, 0:09:36.807 --> 0:09:39.367 this kind of thing is unusual. Yeah, to ask you 0:09:39.727 --> 0:09:40.327 to the sibling. 0:09:40.487 --> 0:09:41.647 You have a lot of siblings. 0:09:42.047 --> 0:09:44.207 I know, did you lean in to I could have. 0:09:44.447 --> 0:09:45.287 I really couldn't. 0:09:45.367 --> 0:09:47.487 By the time, you don't have very money down between 0:09:47.527 --> 0:09:48.007 all of them. 0:09:48.247 --> 0:09:49.807 Between all of the siblings. I think they've got one 0:09:49.847 --> 0:09:52.167 hundred bucks between them, Like they're just not rolling. You've 0:09:52.167 --> 0:09:54.527 become in debt exactly. I'm like, how did I end 0:09:54.607 --> 0:09:54.807 up here? 0:09:55.087 --> 0:09:59.087 I was also reading about this couple who put their 0:09:59.367 --> 0:10:02.327 bag details on the wedding invitation, which I thought was, Oh, 0:10:02.367 --> 0:10:04.727 I like that interesting. Really Yeah, I didn't know that 0:10:04.767 --> 0:10:06.767 was the thing that we were doing now. And then 0:10:06.887 --> 0:10:11.167 they accidentally put the wrong detail and so more the 0:10:11.167 --> 0:10:14.527 money went into someone else's account. But is that really 0:10:14.567 --> 0:10:17.247 a thing putting bank details on wedding invitations? 0:10:17.287 --> 0:10:18.047 I quite like it. 0:10:18.167 --> 0:10:20.167 I haven't seen that, but I enjoy it because then 0:10:20.207 --> 0:10:21.727 you don't have to get the card, you don't have 0:10:21.727 --> 0:10:23.687 to write the message, get the cash out, and you 0:10:23.687 --> 0:10:25.087 just have to do a little message to your bank 0:10:25.127 --> 0:10:27.447 saying this is for a wedding gift, not cocaine. 0:10:27.967 --> 0:10:30.807 So is that like the wishing well? Because I thought 0:10:30.847 --> 0:10:32.647 you would give an envelope and it would be a 0:10:32.727 --> 0:10:34.647 card and it would be what cash or something like that. 0:10:34.807 --> 0:10:36.567 I asked Luka what we did, because I was like, 0:10:36.607 --> 0:10:38.207 that sounds like something we would have done put the 0:10:38.207 --> 0:10:41.367 bank details on the like, oh no, we would never 0:10:41.447 --> 0:10:42.887 have done that, And I was like, what did we 0:10:42.887 --> 0:10:44.607 do and he's like, no, no, no, we linked to 0:10:44.647 --> 0:10:47.967 a website where they could not directly transfer us because 0:10:48.047 --> 0:10:53.527 we it's just linked to your banking exactly. 0:10:53.727 --> 0:10:56.487 I wasn't aware of that because I still haven't got 0:10:56.487 --> 0:10:57.607 any invitation. 0:10:57.207 --> 0:11:00.367 To you didn't get an invite. Yeah, actually we'll send 0:11:00.407 --> 0:11:03.807 you our bank details, just so idea left out. So 0:11:03.847 --> 0:11:05.327 we had a thing I think it was called hitched, 0:11:05.367 --> 0:11:07.487 and it was like you click on it, and then 0:11:07.927 --> 0:11:10.167 I think we said like your present is enough, you know, 0:11:10.327 --> 0:11:12.327 something polite, but really. 0:11:14.047 --> 0:11:14.847 It's a link to give us. 0:11:15.047 --> 0:11:17.607 It's a link. We put the link in people transferred money. 0:11:17.607 --> 0:11:18.887 But it's like, let me get this straight. 0:11:19.047 --> 0:11:22.127 It's actually quite smart so that you don't feel so 0:11:22.607 --> 0:11:26.407 grabby as putting your actual bank details. You pay a 0:11:26.407 --> 0:11:29.647 percentagize to you or a fixed fee to a third 0:11:29.727 --> 0:11:33.567 party who just diverts people to your. 0:11:33.567 --> 0:11:35.167 So look, I think it even has a picture of 0:11:35.167 --> 0:11:35.767 a wishing well. 0:11:36.007 --> 0:11:38.207 Oh and do you get their names and how much 0:11:38.247 --> 0:11:38.927 they send you? 0:11:39.007 --> 0:11:41.727 Yes? I think you do. So then you can say 0:11:41.727 --> 0:11:43.807 thank you because you want to say thank you, right, 0:11:44.047 --> 0:11:44.847 but you also want to. 0:11:44.807 --> 0:11:47.207 Say thank you for your one hundred and forty five 0:11:47.247 --> 0:11:49.127 dollars and. 0:11:49.087 --> 0:11:51.127 Then you get the taxi. It's always like point two. 0:11:52.567 --> 0:11:52.967 GST. 0:11:53.527 --> 0:11:57.047 And people can also do a card, you know. I 0:11:57.087 --> 0:11:59.327 saw a commentator sort of saying, oh, but how about 0:11:59.367 --> 0:12:01.127 the card. It's meant to be like this lovely thing 0:12:01.167 --> 0:12:02.287 that you put in the wishing well and you open 0:12:02.367 --> 0:12:03.927 it all. It's like, you can still give me a card, 0:12:04.327 --> 0:12:06.647 but you know you're probably going to give me a 0:12:06.687 --> 0:12:08.767 gift because it's my wedding. I know you're probably going 0:12:08.847 --> 0:12:11.447 to want to give me a gift. Let's not fuck 0:12:11.527 --> 0:12:16.327 around with a bunch of cutlery that I've already got 0:12:16.327 --> 0:12:19.207 because we've already lived together with right, It's. 0:12:19.007 --> 0:12:22.287 Like, we don't need another sauce bin, but we would 0:12:22.327 --> 0:12:26.087 actually like some cash to pay for petrol or this 0:12:26.167 --> 0:12:29.367 wedding or this wedding, we'll spend it how we like. 0:12:30.287 --> 0:12:32.807 I actually think that's much easier. I don't hate that. 0:12:33.047 --> 0:12:36.327 There's another trend which I'm actually quite into, and it's 0:12:36.527 --> 0:12:41.087 the luxury wedding content creator. So think someone who like 0:12:41.167 --> 0:12:43.727 makes you an Instagram real they make you a TikTok 0:12:43.767 --> 0:12:47.367 trend like of your wedding day. I found one UK 0:12:47.527 --> 0:12:48.527 based company it's. 0:12:48.367 --> 0:12:48.967 As your gift. 0:12:49.047 --> 0:12:50.967 You mean no, no, no, This is like a trend 0:12:50.967 --> 0:12:52.887 of like what people are paying for for their wedding. 0:12:52.927 --> 0:12:55.647 So I would get a photographer, I might get a videographer, 0:12:55.967 --> 0:12:57.927 and then I get a content creator. 0:12:58.327 --> 0:13:00.127 Oh, you pay for so you have to pay for 0:13:00.127 --> 0:13:01.727 a caterer, you have to pay for a venue, and 0:13:01.847 --> 0:13:03.407 you have to pay for a content. 0:13:03.127 --> 0:13:05.207 A content creator. And there's one in the UK called 0:13:05.247 --> 0:13:08.367 Content for Brides, which is revealing in its title, and 0:13:08.487 --> 0:13:11.887 they offer two to capture your love story effortlessly and 0:13:11.967 --> 0:13:15.367 deliver it within twenty four hours with social first edits 0:13:15.567 --> 0:13:16.807 that feel like home movies. 0:13:17.167 --> 0:13:20.127 Day three is a luckually wedding event content creator in Paris. 0:13:20.447 --> 0:13:23.687 Today they were having their official rehearsal, dinner and welcome party. 0:13:24.127 --> 0:13:26.247 It was in this beautiful hotel next to the Eiffel 0:13:26.287 --> 0:13:29.087 Tower with the most amazing views. The details across all 0:13:29.087 --> 0:13:31.407 of these wedding days has been incredible, so I madea 0:13:31.527 --> 0:13:34.287 to capture every last piece, from the stationery to the 0:13:34.327 --> 0:13:35.927 ice louge. It was just amazing. 0:13:36.887 --> 0:13:40.127 That's so clever, isn't it filling a gap in the market. 0:13:40.247 --> 0:13:42.407 I'm like that I would pay for. 0:13:42.647 --> 0:13:45.967 But also brides and grooms just got an extra thing 0:13:46.327 --> 0:13:49.007 to do, right, it should be a service. If wedding 0:13:49.047 --> 0:13:52.727 photographers were clever, they would provide it as an add on. 0:13:53.367 --> 0:13:55.607 Yes, But then I reckon, it's a different thing, right, 0:13:55.687 --> 0:13:57.407 Like it's a whole different. 0:13:57.607 --> 0:13:59.807 Oh you'll see it is. I only mean that they 0:13:59.807 --> 0:14:03.127 would then outsource it, so they would say, I'm a 0:14:03.167 --> 0:14:06.407 wedding photographer, but through me, tell me what package you want? 0:14:06.447 --> 0:14:08.807 Do you want a videographer as well? Do you also 0:14:08.847 --> 0:14:11.527 want to creator? And this will be the cost of 0:14:11.567 --> 0:14:13.127 the package if you want all three? This is if 0:14:13.167 --> 0:14:15.887 you want one, and I would This is the business 0:14:15.927 --> 0:14:19.407 person in me thinking I would then be offering the 0:14:19.487 --> 0:14:21.167 suite of options. 0:14:20.887 --> 0:14:24.327 Because the problem is with your wedding video because videographers 0:14:24.327 --> 0:14:28.447 have become quite it's popular. Takes a while, and then 0:14:28.447 --> 0:14:29.887 you got to sit down and watch the whole thing. 0:14:30.247 --> 0:14:32.887 I like having it there, like I've got a video 0:14:32.927 --> 0:14:33.447 of my wedding, but. 0:14:33.407 --> 0:14:34.447 But how do you post it on Instagram? 0:14:34.487 --> 0:14:36.167 How do I post it on Instagram? And therefore did 0:14:36.207 --> 0:14:39.167 it even happen? And will I ever sit down and 0:14:39.207 --> 0:14:42.927 truly watch it? Or do we want bite sized, easily 0:14:43.087 --> 0:14:47.127 consumable moments that are vibey like I quite like it. 0:14:47.207 --> 0:14:50.327 I've also seen some beef between a videographer at a 0:14:50.367 --> 0:14:52.567 wedding and a content creator at a wedding where the 0:14:52.607 --> 0:14:55.687 content creator asked the videographer, Hey, can I shadow you 0:14:56.207 --> 0:14:57.687 behind you while you take videos? 0:14:57.687 --> 0:14:59.247 And he was like, yeah, just stay out. 0:14:59.087 --> 0:14:59.487 Of my way. 0:15:00.247 --> 0:15:03.207 Yes, this is the hard thing because a lot of videographers, 0:15:03.207 --> 0:15:05.287 and this is what everyone warns you about. They need 0:15:05.327 --> 0:15:06.967 to be close, they need to get a shot, but 0:15:07.087 --> 0:15:10.567 at the expense of everyone see your first kiss, at 0:15:10.607 --> 0:15:12.447 the expense of any intimacy. 0:15:12.607 --> 0:15:16.767 So now you've got surrounding you jostling for position like 0:15:16.847 --> 0:15:20.727 paparazzi at the can Film Festival. You've got your videographer, 0:15:20.967 --> 0:15:24.047 your photographer, and your content creator. 0:15:23.687 --> 0:15:27.007 And then your mum with the iPad. Yeah, there's always 0:15:27.007 --> 0:15:29.127 an iPad. There's always an iPad, And every wedding. 0:15:29.047 --> 0:15:31.127 It's my dad. It's my dad who's bringing it. That's 0:15:31.167 --> 0:15:32.327 the problem we're solving is. 0:15:32.367 --> 0:15:34.407 That a boomers try to film things on I. 0:15:34.487 --> 0:15:37.327 Don't now like I love an Apple product. If Apple 0:15:37.367 --> 0:15:39.887 wants to spend with us, please do. An iPad can't 0:15:39.887 --> 0:15:42.487 take a decent photo. It can't. It's pixelated. Dad will 0:15:42.567 --> 0:15:45.687 zoom in on someone on his iPad front facing camera, 0:15:45.847 --> 0:15:49.767 front facing, and it's like, okay, that's ruined. The's some 0:15:49.887 --> 0:15:54.487 crazy floropink case. It's always pink cases dropped. 0:15:54.687 --> 0:15:55.127 And guess what. 0:15:55.327 --> 0:15:58.047 You wake up the day after your wedding and you go, wow, 0:15:58.647 --> 0:16:00.607 there's gonna be some great content. And guess what's the 0:16:00.687 --> 0:16:02.727 only photo you've got is what your dad took on 0:16:02.847 --> 0:16:05.807 his back Because these wedding photos I'm coming back for 0:16:05.847 --> 0:16:09.607 three months. The videographer, he's backed up, and so you've 0:16:09.607 --> 0:16:11.087 got your dad being like, I took this one of 0:16:11.167 --> 0:16:12.887 you and it's the worst photo you've ever seen. 0:16:13.007 --> 0:16:16.767 That's so funny because the lag between the wedding and 0:16:16.887 --> 0:16:21.007 the stuff being posted in this age of instant gratification 0:16:21.367 --> 0:16:24.287 is always just too long. Like you know, when someone's 0:16:24.327 --> 0:16:26.967 getting married and then months later they'll want to post 0:16:27.047 --> 0:16:30.167 all their photos and it's like nowhere over it now. 0:16:30.407 --> 0:16:34.207 And that's why people say, please don't post any pictures before. 0:16:35.207 --> 0:16:38.727 They An aunt with a Facebook album from her pov 0:16:40.127 --> 0:16:40.967 I love them. 0:16:41.287 --> 0:16:44.607 I love them that aren't will not be told she will. 0:16:45.127 --> 0:16:48.207 It will start off with her a dress and then 0:16:48.247 --> 0:16:51.887 there's maybe a blurry picture of the bride and she's 0:16:51.887 --> 0:16:53.927 always in the aisle. How did she get in the aisle? 0:16:54.887 --> 0:16:56.247 The videographers telling her off? 0:16:56.447 --> 0:16:58.887 She know, what's kind of because I got married so 0:16:59.047 --> 0:17:02.327 long ago. My twenty fifth wedding anniversary was last week. 0:17:03.447 --> 0:17:08.567 I was thinking, thanks, I don't know, like achievement. I 0:17:08.607 --> 0:17:10.927 guess a quarter of essentially spend a long time, not 0:17:10.967 --> 0:17:11.447 a good time? 0:17:11.527 --> 0:17:11.927 Is that tin? 0:17:12.287 --> 0:17:16.487 No, it's silver silver. I don't know. I was looking 0:17:16.607 --> 0:17:18.807 back at I wasn't actually looking back, but I was 0:17:18.847 --> 0:17:24.887 thinking back. And there's a whole table of people who've died. Sorry, 0:17:25.047 --> 0:17:28.527 this got really fast that you know, Like there was 0:17:28.567 --> 0:17:32.287 an old table, like a table of kind of elderly 0:17:32.407 --> 0:17:36.887 people of that generation, like you know, grandparents and great 0:17:37.087 --> 0:17:39.287 aunts and uncles and various family friends. 0:17:39.327 --> 0:17:40.367 That you do that on purpose? 0:17:40.527 --> 0:17:42.527 Yeah, but do you know it was really unfortunate because 0:17:42.527 --> 0:17:45.127 we had terrible weather at our wedding and we had 0:17:45.207 --> 0:17:49.687 this awning and the awning collapsed, and like right. 0:17:49.647 --> 0:17:52.927 Over the old people's table, you gave them all pneumonia. 0:17:53.087 --> 0:17:56.247 I think that's why they died. Oh my god, that's 0:17:56.287 --> 0:17:56.967 not why they died. 0:17:57.087 --> 0:17:59.087 You needed a content creator with an instagal of all 0:17:59.087 --> 0:17:59.647 the old people. 0:17:59.727 --> 0:18:02.127 Well, what's so funny is when I think about all 0:18:02.167 --> 0:18:04.527 the people at our wedding, a lot of the money 0:18:04.527 --> 0:18:06.327 in our lives anymore, not that they all died, but 0:18:06.487 --> 0:18:08.887 they're just not. There was sort of transient, you know, 0:18:08.967 --> 0:18:11.167 the in the season of lifetime people in your life, 0:18:11.567 --> 0:18:13.887 and they were sort of more people who were in 0:18:13.927 --> 0:18:16.007 our lives for a reason or a season. So like 0:18:16.167 --> 0:18:18.287 maybe people we worked with at the time. 0:18:18.367 --> 0:18:20.047 How many people did you have, do you reckon? 0:18:20.207 --> 0:18:22.287 I think we had like one hundred and fifty or 0:18:22.287 --> 0:18:25.167 two hundred. I didn't like it, Like we never wanted 0:18:25.207 --> 0:18:27.367 to have a wedding like that. And also lots of 0:18:27.487 --> 0:18:29.967 partners of people that came that they. 0:18:30.007 --> 0:18:32.847 Sh broken up with. There any photos forever? 0:18:33.087 --> 0:18:35.607 Yeah, there were people at our table. There's you know, 0:18:35.727 --> 0:18:38.927 a couple of people who were just they were partners 0:18:39.487 --> 0:18:42.767 of close close friends. Then anyway, it is what it is. 0:18:43.167 --> 0:18:45.447 And would you do bank details on an invitation? 0:18:45.647 --> 0:18:48.527 Hell yeah, that sounds like the best idea. You just 0:18:48.567 --> 0:18:51.327 get everyone's money and then you're done. Oh maybe I 0:18:51.447 --> 0:18:53.087 do like cards because then they can tell me how 0:18:53.127 --> 0:18:54.367 much they love me, which is quite nice. 0:18:54.367 --> 0:18:57.287 I think they can do by Okay, yeah, at your wedding, Jesse, 0:18:57.407 --> 0:19:00.807 I remember in the photos Coco wouldn't let her girlfriend 0:19:01.287 --> 0:19:03.607 be the photos. Do to remember we made a thing 0:19:03.687 --> 0:19:05.447 about like we were joking about. She had to stand 0:19:05.487 --> 0:19:07.567 at the end in case we needed to crop her 0:19:07.607 --> 0:19:10.287 out in case you didn't stick around. 0:19:10.487 --> 0:19:12.287 We do that at family Christmas or we get off 0:19:12.327 --> 0:19:14.527 photo and then we go, oh, now all the Browns 0:19:17.007 --> 0:19:17.407 a family. 0:19:17.527 --> 0:19:18.927 It's great, it's a good method. 0:19:19.607 --> 0:19:21.647 Out Loud is in a moment. EM's got a recommendation 0:19:21.767 --> 0:19:24.087 for your Wolver. It's been a week of Wolvers and 0:19:24.247 --> 0:19:25.207 the fun continues. 0:19:27.447 --> 0:19:32.207 Hi, Holly, Jesse and maya long time out Loud listener 0:19:32.647 --> 0:19:36.367 in love with Everything Ugee. In response to your podcast 0:19:36.407 --> 0:19:39.127 the other day, I was driving when you were talking 0:19:39.327 --> 0:19:42.887 about when people say, do you know who you look like? 0:19:43.687 --> 0:19:45.767 And I yelled out in my car at the top 0:19:45.767 --> 0:19:50.167 of my lungs mea Friedman looks like Antonia Kidman. And 0:19:50.327 --> 0:19:53.727 then you said it, and I felt validated for I've 0:19:53.767 --> 0:19:56.287 been following you Mia for twenty years, and from the 0:19:56.367 --> 0:19:59.327 moment I saw you, I thought, I wonder if she's 0:19:59.407 --> 0:20:03.887 related to Nicole and Antonia Friedman isn't that far from Kidman? 0:20:04.447 --> 0:20:10.127 So definitely you look exactly like Antonia Kidman. Thanks for 0:20:10.207 --> 0:20:12.527 all you do and I can't wait for the next podcast. 0:20:18.287 --> 0:20:20.127 It's Friday, so we want to help set up your 0:20:20.127 --> 0:20:24.607 weekend with our best recommendations. Jesse Stevens, what are you recommending? 0:20:24.887 --> 0:20:28.087 My favorite genre of recommendation is a recommendation Mayor Friedman 0:20:28.087 --> 0:20:30.207 will hate and you will hate this. 0:20:30.607 --> 0:20:33.487 It's not hard because I'm pretty picky. Usually Holly specializes 0:20:33.527 --> 0:20:35.967 in those because because she likes things about crime and dark. 0:20:36.007 --> 0:20:38.967 Holy British rural towns love this and em You've got 0:20:39.007 --> 0:20:40.327 good taste, so I think you might like it. To 0:20:40.367 --> 0:20:42.727 thank you so much. It's called The Day of the Jackal. 0:20:43.007 --> 0:20:44.767 It's on you hate it. 0:20:44.887 --> 0:20:45.247 I love it. 0:20:45.487 --> 0:20:47.007 I just started watching it last night. 0:20:47.447 --> 0:20:47.807 So good. 0:20:48.127 --> 0:20:50.407 So it is a remake of a nineteen seventy three 0:20:50.687 --> 0:20:52.887 film by the same name. I've obviously never heard of it. 0:20:53.127 --> 0:20:55.927 What is relevant is that Eddie Redmain is in it. Okay, 0:20:56.087 --> 0:21:00.807 Eddie Redmain is really hot and important. He's playing to 0:21:00.927 --> 0:21:03.767 you actually think that, Yes, Lucid, I had a big 0:21:03.927 --> 0:21:08.687 argu about it. No, and Luke, yeah maybe not in 0:21:08.767 --> 0:21:12.967 that Carry Potters No, oh, I see Lames. I fell 0:21:13.007 --> 0:21:17.647 in love with him yeah, Oh my goodness, who was he? 0:21:17.727 --> 0:21:20.167 He's a beautiful scene. He was a beautiful Frenchman crow 0:21:20.207 --> 0:21:22.927 and Hugh Jackman in there. Yeah, and Eddie Redmain get 0:21:22.967 --> 0:21:26.007 it together. Oh my goodness. Okay, it's a British thriller 0:21:26.207 --> 0:21:28.687 and it's also got Lashana Lynch in it. And it's 0:21:28.727 --> 0:21:32.367 perfect to watch with your partner or your parents. If 0:21:32.367 --> 0:21:34.247 you've got other people different age groups in the house, 0:21:34.247 --> 0:21:36.287 you need something to kind of that. You'll all enjoy. 0:21:37.487 --> 0:21:42.607 Any education, some sex, but not where you need to. 0:21:42.687 --> 0:21:46.687 Educate it more guns. So Red Main, whose character is 0:21:46.727 --> 0:21:49.247 a jackal. He's an assassin and in the first episode 0:21:49.447 --> 0:21:53.007 you see him carry out a near impossible assassination of 0:21:53.047 --> 0:21:55.927 a political figure and from there he's been pursued by 0:21:56.127 --> 0:21:57.207 m I six. 0:22:02.007 --> 0:22:04.207 Police are looking for him. 0:22:04.527 --> 0:22:07.687 We are reaching out to all international partners for assistance. 0:22:08.727 --> 0:22:12.047 He's an ex exceptional assassin. He will kill again. 0:22:12.367 --> 0:22:12.927 Let's stop it. 0:22:13.807 --> 0:22:17.727 There's no record of it anywhere. As a ghost. 0:22:19.647 --> 0:22:21.007 I know I can find him. 0:22:21.287 --> 0:22:24.607 I've heard good things about you, Bianca, don't let me down. 0:22:26.207 --> 0:22:28.287 So it's a bit line of Judy Bit James Bond 0:22:28.407 --> 0:22:31.007 bitborn identity. It's so good and where I'm up to 0:22:31.047 --> 0:22:33.807 You're like this. There's an Elon Musk like character and 0:22:33.927 --> 0:22:38.087 he's basically exactly there's a hit on him, Eddie Redmain, 0:22:38.167 --> 0:22:40.647 the Jackal. His job is to assassinate essentially one of 0:22:40.687 --> 0:22:43.527 the most famous rich people in the entire world. And 0:22:43.687 --> 0:22:47.807 it's about why and you know, what's going to unfold, 0:22:48.327 --> 0:22:51.767 And it's all about exposing parts of politics and government 0:22:51.967 --> 0:22:55.647 and policing and all like and the cat and mouse chase, yeah, 0:22:55.847 --> 0:22:57.167 and the things I didn't know about. 0:22:57.527 --> 0:22:59.247 Do you get anxiety? No? 0:22:59.767 --> 0:23:02.167 Oh yeah, I mean diagnosed kind of, but not for 0:23:02.247 --> 0:23:02.767 that stuff. 0:23:03.247 --> 0:23:05.047 Do you think I was going to ask might seem 0:23:05.087 --> 0:23:07.367 an unrelated question, but I was going to ask because Jesse, 0:23:07.447 --> 0:23:10.687 I know you do. I've that I don't like watching 0:23:11.167 --> 0:23:15.447 things that have a lot of suspense. Yeah, I find 0:23:15.567 --> 0:23:17.767 they're unpleasant for me, Like even the first season of 0:23:17.807 --> 0:23:19.967 Bad Sisters, which I went back and tried to watch 0:23:20.007 --> 0:23:23.247 again because everyone's raving about the second season. I don't 0:23:23.367 --> 0:23:25.567 like the feeling of suspense. See I'm enjoyable. 0:23:25.767 --> 0:23:29.287 I interpret it as anticipation, and I spend my day 0:23:29.447 --> 0:23:31.207 like I've spent my day thinking about what's going to 0:23:31.207 --> 0:23:33.727 happen next. In this show. What I will say is 0:23:33.847 --> 0:23:36.447 that I'm very sensitive at the moment to any violence 0:23:36.567 --> 0:23:39.367 and even like death. I kind of bristle, and there's 0:23:39.367 --> 0:23:41.687 a lot of that. There's a lot of that in 0:23:41.767 --> 0:23:44.407 this But the suspense and the story is trumping at 0:23:44.407 --> 0:23:44.967 all for me. 0:23:45.167 --> 0:23:47.807 But you do watch suspense like the Perfect Couple that's 0:23:47.887 --> 0:23:48.567 kind of like spa. 0:23:48.767 --> 0:23:51.127 No, that's like a bit of a mystery, but it's 0:23:51.207 --> 0:23:55.647 not like suspenseful. It's not like what's going to happen. 0:23:56.007 --> 0:23:58.367 It's like more curiosity. So the White Lotus and all 0:23:58.367 --> 0:24:00.167 those things where it starts with the body and then 0:24:00.207 --> 0:24:01.807 it's like a who done it? That's different. 0:24:02.207 --> 0:24:05.287 The Age basically called this the show of the year 0:24:05.367 --> 0:24:06.407 and they gave five stars. 0:24:06.527 --> 0:24:07.407 So I'm not alone. 0:24:07.727 --> 0:24:10.727 It is. It is Prestige television, It is on Binge 0:24:11.127 --> 0:24:12.407 and what have you got? So? 0:24:13.127 --> 0:24:16.047 I didn't realize how much I complained about my vagina 0:24:16.327 --> 0:24:19.087 on the show until I got an email. Well, Mia, 0:24:19.167 --> 0:24:21.567 you actually got an email. Someone emailed Mia saying that 0:24:21.687 --> 0:24:24.047 they were vagina, saying that they were concerned for my vagina, 0:24:24.127 --> 0:24:26.047 and she kindly passed on to me. We have quite 0:24:26.047 --> 0:24:27.327 an interesting relationship, don't we. 0:24:27.447 --> 0:24:29.287 You and I yeah, yeah, we really do. It's not 0:24:29.407 --> 0:24:31.367 like a normal workplace is at this different. 0:24:32.167 --> 0:24:34.607 So it was a beautiful email. It was from these 0:24:34.647 --> 0:24:37.967 two sisters who have started a business together called Serenity 0:24:38.087 --> 0:24:40.647 p H. And one of them is a doctor and 0:24:40.767 --> 0:24:43.367 they help women with their vaginal health. And they were 0:24:43.447 --> 0:24:44.967 quite concerned for me, which is fair. 0:24:45.087 --> 0:24:47.327 Well, I must have missed the episode where You're Vagina. 0:24:47.407 --> 0:24:51.327 We talked about winter vagina and how to combat winter vagina, 0:24:51.327 --> 0:24:53.047 and I talked about how I got sent this oil, 0:24:53.247 --> 0:24:54.487 and I wasn't really vibing what. 0:24:54.647 --> 0:24:55.527 Is winter vagina. 0:24:55.847 --> 0:24:58.447 It was about Drina's like your vagina goes drying. 0:24:58.567 --> 0:24:59.967 That's it, perimenopause. 0:25:00.567 --> 0:25:01.287 It's a lot of things. 0:25:01.367 --> 0:25:03.487 It's a vaginismus thing, it's a pcos thing. So I 0:25:03.607 --> 0:25:06.487 was talking about that, and I was talking about how 0:25:06.607 --> 0:25:10.007 like these skincare companies send me like these really expensive 0:25:10.047 --> 0:25:13.647 products that like just smell really nice and they're mental help, 0:25:13.727 --> 0:25:15.167 but they're like kind of oily and every time. 0:25:15.047 --> 0:25:16.207 I sit down, I feel like I'm on a slide 0:25:16.247 --> 0:25:16.647 of the seat. 0:25:17.247 --> 0:25:20.967 So these two beautiful sisters sent me their product, which 0:25:21.087 --> 0:25:24.167 is called the Vulvercare v Bar, and it's fifty five 0:25:24.207 --> 0:25:25.247 dollars from their website. 0:25:25.567 --> 0:25:28.407 It is so good and what does it help? Like, 0:25:28.527 --> 0:25:29.847 what's the problem it helps with? 0:25:30.087 --> 0:25:32.567 So it helps with the dryness of my vagina. So 0:25:32.607 --> 0:25:34.767 because I have vagin, this mistress I have talked about 0:25:34.807 --> 0:25:36.367 in the past, we can link that episode in the 0:25:36.367 --> 0:25:40.447 show notes. But my vagina is essentially sorry for my 0:25:40.687 --> 0:25:45.927 descriptive term, it's safe space, dry, red, and inflexible. 0:25:46.007 --> 0:25:46.727 So it's a bit angry. 0:25:46.807 --> 0:25:48.807 It's a bit angry, and it needs to be moist 0:25:49.007 --> 0:25:49.447 and pink. 0:25:49.687 --> 0:25:53.007 How's it different to like lubricant because. 0:25:52.767 --> 0:25:56.447 With vagin this miss some lubes actually sting, so it 0:25:56.567 --> 0:25:59.127 could help temporarily, but then when you want to be 0:25:59.207 --> 0:26:02.047 intimate with a partner or like use a tampon, it 0:26:02.207 --> 0:26:02.887 just hurts a lot. 0:26:03.207 --> 0:26:05.567 And a lot of products have like, as you say, 0:26:05.687 --> 0:26:08.567 fragrances or chemicals or whatever. And if you've got sensitive skin, 0:26:08.647 --> 0:26:09.127 it's the last thing. 0:26:09.447 --> 0:26:11.647 This is interesting because the other thing that happens during 0:26:11.727 --> 0:26:14.927 perimenopause and menopause is that the skin around in your 0:26:15.047 --> 0:26:19.447 vagina thins out, so it's prone to little micro tears. 0:26:19.887 --> 0:26:20.047 You know. 0:26:20.127 --> 0:26:21.967 Apparently I was reading this week when we did our 0:26:21.967 --> 0:26:25.727 other segment about volvers, the like shape and size and 0:26:25.807 --> 0:26:28.007 all of that of your volver changes throughout the month, 0:26:28.327 --> 0:26:30.647 like even on your cycle, Yeah, on your side, and 0:26:30.767 --> 0:26:33.527 like you know, after perimenopause and stuff. But it's so 0:26:33.647 --> 0:26:36.727 affected by hormones. Yeah, you kind of don't know what 0:26:36.887 --> 0:26:37.487 to do about it. 0:26:37.567 --> 0:26:39.847 It's so weird. But this bomb helps everything. It's even 0:26:39.847 --> 0:26:41.607 recommended for women with perimenopause. 0:26:41.767 --> 0:26:43.807 That's great because at one point I found myself using 0:26:43.847 --> 0:26:46.487 pseudo cream, that old thing which is for nappy rash. 0:26:46.687 --> 0:26:48.567 Really yeah, get the v bomb. 0:26:48.767 --> 0:26:53.367 Okay, that was a great wreco. You're expected. My Turn 0:26:53.967 --> 0:26:57.967 is a fantastic episode of mid that I was listening 0:26:58.047 --> 0:27:01.807 to with two of my best friends, Holly Wayne Wright 0:27:02.127 --> 0:27:05.807 interviewing Bruna Papinrea. Now, Bruna is one of my oldest 0:27:05.807 --> 0:27:10.127 friends and an amazing producer, Big Little Lie the dry 0:27:10.487 --> 0:27:14.287 speaking of vaginas, which was not about her vagina or 0:27:14.367 --> 0:27:17.247 in deed mind strife of course a million things. And 0:27:18.287 --> 0:27:21.727 the episode is called Ambition Says Yes and Body Says Nup. 0:27:22.487 --> 0:27:24.847 And it was such a great title because Bruna in 0:27:25.007 --> 0:27:27.967 many ways is in the one of the high points 0:27:28.007 --> 0:27:32.007 of her career. She's an incredibly successful producer. She's getting 0:27:32.247 --> 0:27:34.367 so many things done. She's got all these projects on 0:27:34.487 --> 0:27:38.527 the go, but she lives with a chronic illness and 0:27:39.007 --> 0:27:42.167 it's an invisible chronic illness and it is called loopus 0:27:42.367 --> 0:27:46.167 and it is an autoimmune disease, and she wakes up 0:27:46.207 --> 0:27:49.527 in pain every single day. And she talks about how 0:27:49.887 --> 0:27:53.767 this intersection between the highest points in her life and 0:27:53.887 --> 0:27:56.007 when she wants to do all these things and her 0:27:56.047 --> 0:27:57.527 body kind of won't let her. 0:27:57.727 --> 0:28:01.607 And I think one of the biggest ones is realizing 0:28:01.807 --> 0:28:03.967 that just at the point you kind of feel like 0:28:04.167 --> 0:28:08.367 you you know, are just getting started, you are dealing 0:28:08.487 --> 0:28:11.287 with not me so much in this moment, but like 0:28:11.327 --> 0:28:13.887 I have so many friends dealing with aging parents, parents 0:28:13.927 --> 0:28:16.847 who are dying. I'm also dealing with, you know, a 0:28:16.927 --> 0:28:21.167 pretty extreme health condition, and I'm dealing with two eleven 0:28:21.247 --> 0:28:25.367 year olds and also running a business. So yes, because 0:28:25.807 --> 0:28:28.727 I'm a very high functioning person with lupus. And every 0:28:28.767 --> 0:28:31.047 time I meet another high functioning person or meet them, 0:28:31.127 --> 0:28:34.167 even when I hear about one, you know, Selena Gomez, 0:28:34.487 --> 0:28:36.247 you know, the one of the Willing Sisters, you know, 0:28:37.607 --> 0:28:40.007 it gives me, It just kind of makes me feel 0:28:40.847 --> 0:28:43.527 good because I'm like, well, they can do it. So, yeah, 0:28:43.607 --> 0:28:46.407 sometimes I will just crash, and just because if I'm 0:28:46.447 --> 0:28:49.927 not looking after myself, which is crucial and as women, 0:28:50.007 --> 0:28:52.807 I think we do often. I think there's some crazy 0:28:52.847 --> 0:28:54.487 stat that women go to the doctor and look after 0:28:54.527 --> 0:28:57.607 themselves so much less after they have children. We just 0:28:57.687 --> 0:28:59.047 prioritize things in a different way. 0:28:59.287 --> 0:29:03.047 She also talks about Holly and Bruno both have husbands 0:29:03.447 --> 0:29:07.167 who have really lent in to family life because they 0:29:07.247 --> 0:29:10.807 both had kids later in life and their husband's or 0:29:10.967 --> 0:29:14.847 Holly's partner has leaned in because you know, Bruna has 0:29:14.927 --> 0:29:16.807 to travel. I think she's been to Europe eight times 0:29:16.847 --> 0:29:19.927 this year for work, and the States maybe seven times, 0:29:20.487 --> 0:29:23.847 and her husband and Brent often. Because Holly comes down 0:29:23.887 --> 0:29:26.287 to Sydney for work a lot and travels, Brent does 0:29:26.327 --> 0:29:29.167 the same. There It's just a really interesting conversation between 0:29:29.207 --> 0:29:32.527 two really interesting women. I loved it. 0:29:32.767 --> 0:29:33.567 I loved that fire. 0:29:33.807 --> 0:29:36.207 I'm so excited to Yeah, have a listen. I just 0:29:36.327 --> 0:29:39.287 love it. Now in a moment, there's some more of 0:29:39.367 --> 0:29:42.327 the show coming up. I'm driving and so probably in 0:29:42.407 --> 0:29:44.607 the script I was meant to prepare a little line 0:29:45.407 --> 0:29:47.167 this is why I don't get to drive very often, 0:29:47.447 --> 0:29:50.127 But we'll be back after a break to talk more. 0:29:52.567 --> 0:29:55.887 Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of MUMMYA 0:29:55.927 --> 0:29:59.487 out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers, follow the link in 0:29:59.487 --> 0:30:01.487 the show notes to get your daily dose of out 0:30:01.527 --> 0:30:04.767 Loud and a big thank you to all our current subscribers. 0:30:16.847 --> 0:30:19.127 It is time for best and Worse. This is a 0:30:19.167 --> 0:30:20.927 part of the show where we talk a little bit 0:30:21.007 --> 0:30:25.167 more about our personal lives. Because my recommendation wasn't personal 0:30:25.327 --> 0:30:29.927 enough clearly, Jesse, what is your worst of the week? 0:30:30.087 --> 0:30:35.967 My worst? Boring but true. Teething baby And yesterday things 0:30:36.047 --> 0:30:40.127 got so bad with Luna in her teeth. She grumbled 0:30:40.167 --> 0:30:41.847 and she cried all day and it got so bad. 0:30:41.847 --> 0:30:43.167 I had to call Lucra and say, you have to 0:30:43.207 --> 0:30:44.167 come home, like I can't. 0:30:44.207 --> 0:30:44.967 Doesn't hurt them. 0:30:45.407 --> 0:30:47.687 Yeah, so she's got most of her teeth. I was like, 0:30:48.127 --> 0:30:50.247 are there any left to come down? But I think 0:30:50.327 --> 0:30:53.247 there's the big ones are coming down, and she's just 0:30:53.447 --> 0:30:56.727 like she won't sleep, she won't eat, she can't be 0:30:56.807 --> 0:31:00.687 distracted like she was so distressed, and it was I 0:31:00.727 --> 0:31:03.567 think from seven thirty to about two pm she just 0:31:03.647 --> 0:31:05.887 cried the entire time because of her teeth, and we 0:31:05.967 --> 0:31:08.887 were doing all the things that you're meant to, but 0:31:09.567 --> 0:31:11.727 it was so so full on. And then over the weekend, 0:31:11.847 --> 0:31:13.647 like I was meant to go and visit my pop 0:31:13.687 --> 0:31:14.807 and there are a bunch of things I want to 0:31:14.847 --> 0:31:16.527 do and I just went, I just can't do it 0:31:16.607 --> 0:31:19.887 with her, Like she's just on the weekend. Yeah, not 0:31:20.047 --> 0:31:22.687 her best self. And you know what, Like I'm awful 0:31:22.727 --> 0:31:24.527 when I'm in pain too, but that's because I can 0:31:24.567 --> 0:31:26.967 winge about it, and this is her and it's so. 0:31:26.967 --> 0:31:29.567 Annoying because then they lose them anyway, So what's the point. 0:31:29.647 --> 0:31:30.247 What's the point? 0:31:30.487 --> 0:31:30.967 Is the point? 0:31:31.007 --> 0:31:33.767 Am? Like, just don't get teeth till you're fine? Yeah, 0:31:34.327 --> 0:31:37.247 I guess it's to just nare on them to eat stuff. Yeah, 0:31:37.887 --> 0:31:41.847 my best is I had my family Christmas over the 0:31:41.887 --> 0:31:44.687 weekend on early mom's side, yep. So what we do 0:31:45.167 --> 0:31:47.007 is in order to get there's like fifty of us 0:31:47.087 --> 0:31:49.527 on mom's side, and in order to do that, we 0:31:49.647 --> 0:31:52.167 do it like a month early because everyone goes away 0:31:52.247 --> 0:31:53.967 and school holidays and blah blah blah, and we're like, 0:31:54.047 --> 0:31:56.207 let's just do it super super early. And the kids 0:31:56.247 --> 0:31:58.447 love it because they like get presents early. It was 0:31:58.527 --> 0:32:02.607 really special because it was the first Christmas. Like, Luna 0:32:02.687 --> 0:32:05.127 was very toddler that day. She was not her best self. 0:32:05.447 --> 0:32:07.887 But to watch her like properly open a present for 0:32:07.927 --> 0:32:11.807 the first time, like actually get really excited was really special. 0:32:11.887 --> 0:32:15.807 And meet all her cousins properly, it was lovely. I 0:32:15.887 --> 0:32:19.287 think she's developed this habit of every time she sees 0:32:19.327 --> 0:32:22.487 someone she doesn't really know, she yells away and swats 0:32:22.567 --> 0:32:24.967 them like a fly. Oh I didn't teach her that, 0:32:25.087 --> 0:32:28.167 I think for all of us. The grandmother told her 0:32:28.207 --> 0:32:29.927 that to try me. Yea, I swear she goes to 0:32:29.967 --> 0:32:31.127 your house and she comes back. 0:32:31.007 --> 0:32:33.767 With these terrible habits. Well, it's funny because I have 0:32:33.887 --> 0:32:36.847 started implementing. I tried a new thing for the first 0:32:36.887 --> 0:32:38.567 time this week, which is when I'm invited to do 0:32:38.687 --> 0:32:41.207 something that I don't want to do, you say away 0:32:41.247 --> 0:32:46.727 and swoop them. I literally reply, oh no, I'd hate that. Okay, 0:32:47.247 --> 0:32:49.047 I tried it this week for the first time. 0:32:49.207 --> 0:32:49.727 How did that go? 0:32:50.487 --> 0:32:53.887 Went quite well? Quite well. I felt really liberated because 0:32:53.887 --> 0:32:55.687 it's not like, oh I'm sorry, I'm just like, oh no, 0:32:55.767 --> 0:32:58.207 I'd hate that, because I would hate that. Right I'd 0:32:58.247 --> 0:33:01.607 been invited to do this social thing and go to 0:33:01.727 --> 0:33:04.047 the sea the tennis and I'm not interested in tennis, 0:33:04.087 --> 0:33:06.607 and blah blah. I would love that, well exactly, and 0:33:06.727 --> 0:33:08.367 you would love that, but I would not love that. 0:33:08.887 --> 0:33:10.527 So I was just like, oh no, i'd hate that. 0:33:10.807 --> 0:33:13.487 Is that not offensive to the person? If I extended 0:33:13.487 --> 0:33:15.447 you and invite and I said, Maya, would you like 0:33:15.487 --> 0:33:18.367 to come to my netball game to watch me play netball? 0:33:19.047 --> 0:33:20.647 And you said, oh no, I'd hate that. 0:33:20.967 --> 0:33:22.047 I would be so offended. 0:33:22.167 --> 0:33:24.167 I think it's important in the time. I don't think 0:33:24.207 --> 0:33:25.487 you can say that like on an email. 0:33:25.607 --> 0:33:27.087 Well I did. I said it in a text and 0:33:27.207 --> 0:33:29.207 I said, oh no, I hate that. I'd hate that, 0:33:29.447 --> 0:33:30.727 And then I said to say lol. 0:33:30.847 --> 0:33:32.287 It was to my cousin, okay, but I. 0:33:32.327 --> 0:33:34.287 Said to him just in case it wasn't clear, and 0:33:34.367 --> 0:33:37.167 he thought I was being santastic. Seriously, I would actually 0:33:37.287 --> 0:33:41.327 hate that. Sh So I just had to hammer at home. Anyway, 0:33:41.447 --> 0:33:43.447 I highly recommend that. Maybe that should have been my 0:33:43.527 --> 0:33:45.687 recommendation radical candor. 0:33:46.047 --> 0:33:46.927 Mayo, what's your worst? 0:33:47.687 --> 0:33:52.647 My worst is also child related. I had forgotten since 0:33:52.967 --> 0:33:55.407 in the time that I spent between having little kids 0:33:55.447 --> 0:33:58.807 as a mother and now having little kids as a grandmother, 0:33:59.247 --> 0:34:00.687 how much I hate playgrounds? 0:34:00.967 --> 0:34:03.487 Talk to me because I'm a pleased I actually love 0:34:03.567 --> 0:34:04.087 a playground. 0:34:04.167 --> 0:34:06.687 Do I hate playgrounds? I have a friend who used 0:34:06.687 --> 0:34:09.767 to call it death by park because when your kids 0:34:09.767 --> 0:34:11.447 are little, there's only so much you can do. And 0:34:11.887 --> 0:34:14.967 certainly I've forgotten that you can't stay home all the time, 0:34:15.007 --> 0:34:17.167 because I do like to stay home, but they get bored. 0:34:17.247 --> 0:34:18.847 You have to go out. You have to have outings. 0:34:19.007 --> 0:34:21.287 You don't want to spend money necessarily, they don't necessarily 0:34:21.367 --> 0:34:23.967 be in the pram. Parks are free, Parks are outdoors. 0:34:24.287 --> 0:34:28.407 Parks are great, except I hate them. Although why I just. 0:34:28.407 --> 0:34:31.047 Had to try telling Luna I would hate doing that. 0:34:31.647 --> 0:34:33.967 Oh no, I'd hate that where she's like, we let's 0:34:34.007 --> 0:34:34.447 go to the park. 0:34:34.527 --> 0:34:37.287 Oh no, I hate that because she's developed like a parkage. 0:34:37.367 --> 0:34:38.407 Lets look at my phone in. 0:34:39.887 --> 0:34:41.487 Come on at my phone. 0:34:42.207 --> 0:34:43.967 You sit there while I look at my phone. That 0:34:44.047 --> 0:34:45.007 will be so fun, and. 0:34:45.047 --> 0:34:50.007 Will sit quietly alone. Here here's an iPad, grandma maya, No, no. 0:34:50.167 --> 0:34:52.287 Well, that's the thing. I'm under so much pressure because 0:34:52.327 --> 0:34:54.487 we can't have any screen distractions. So off I am 0:34:54.567 --> 0:34:56.887 to the playground. Right And also I'll do anything for her. 0:34:57.527 --> 0:34:59.887 The good news, there've been two new developments since I've 0:34:59.927 --> 0:35:03.167 been spending time in playgrounds. Banana bread is still a feature. 0:35:03.447 --> 0:35:03.607 Nice. 0:35:03.847 --> 0:35:07.927 Yes, still with the classic playground, the classic snack of playgrounds. 0:35:08.567 --> 0:35:13.687 Playground have gotten more interesting, Like they've gotten much safer. 0:35:13.967 --> 0:35:18.647 So there's like the playgrounds near my house, it's more boring. Well, no, 0:35:19.007 --> 0:35:22.647 they've done a big renovation of it and now it's 0:35:22.687 --> 0:35:26.207 all accessible. So there's like wheelchair swings that you can 0:35:26.327 --> 0:35:28.487 lie in for kids who are maybe in chairs or 0:35:28.847 --> 0:35:31.327 who can't sit up on their own. And there's a 0:35:31.367 --> 0:35:35.927 lot more shade, and there's like different levels of slippery dip, and. 0:35:36.167 --> 0:35:38.207 There's less screws poking up through the ground. 0:35:38.327 --> 0:35:41.687 Yeah, like everything's like quite safe and quite interesting. But 0:35:41.807 --> 0:35:46.207 the best development since I was lasting playgrounds is air pods. Yeah, 0:35:46.927 --> 0:35:48.527 so I can pop my air pods in. I can 0:35:48.607 --> 0:35:51.727 listen to a podcast while still being very present and 0:35:52.127 --> 0:35:54.327 making sure she doesn't go backwards down the slippery dip. 0:35:54.447 --> 0:35:57.407 What I've noticed is that the fathers bring a speaker. 0:35:57.887 --> 0:36:00.927 The father's allowspeaker, a loudspeaker. They bring like a little 0:36:01.567 --> 0:36:03.607 handheld speaker and they set it up and they play 0:36:03.647 --> 0:36:05.527 their music in the part like watch Elton John in 0:36:05.567 --> 0:36:07.287 the past one eleven am. 0:36:07.407 --> 0:36:09.767 Why wouldn't they just put an AirPods because. 0:36:09.527 --> 0:36:12.287 The everyone wants to listen to their music now, everyone wants. 0:36:12.367 --> 0:36:14.167 That's what AirPods are for. That's what headphones. 0:36:14.207 --> 0:36:16.367 No, they're doing community service for all of us. 0:36:17.567 --> 0:36:20.607 Everyone. But what I have noticed, because lest anyone cancel 0:36:20.687 --> 0:36:23.527 me or shame me, I am still very attentive Jesse. 0:36:24.367 --> 0:36:26.687 I take one out so I can always hear her. 0:36:26.807 --> 0:36:28.687 But also I'm not It's like she's one and a half. 0:36:28.767 --> 0:36:31.087 It's not like I cannot look at her, but I'm 0:36:31.207 --> 0:36:35.887 watching her all the time. But that's just not very interesting. No, No, 0:36:36.207 --> 0:36:38.367 it's actually anyway, what are the rules. 0:36:38.167 --> 0:36:40.567 Of the playground? Because you know, I like a swing. 0:36:40.887 --> 0:36:43.207 I think we all as adults like sometimes swinging. 0:36:43.407 --> 0:36:48.487 But if it's my turn, okay, that's actually I'm learning 0:36:48.487 --> 0:36:50.647 about the politics because I think you've got to keep 0:36:50.647 --> 0:36:52.167 an eye out. I did go the other day, and 0:36:52.207 --> 0:36:53.647 I swear that kid was on the swing for twenty 0:36:53.687 --> 0:36:56.527 five minutes and treadmills at the gym. My child is 0:36:56.607 --> 0:36:59.407 clearly hovering. I think it's time to get off the 0:36:59.447 --> 0:37:01.847 swing and Luna. She has a book about parks, and 0:37:01.967 --> 0:37:03.327 so when she first went to the park, it was 0:37:03.407 --> 0:37:05.207 like she'd gone to Paris. Like you know how you 0:37:05.287 --> 0:37:07.087 read about Paris and then you're like, I'm here. That 0:37:07.207 --> 0:37:10.487 was Luna with a slide's know of you from my books. 0:37:10.887 --> 0:37:14.047 You're a real thing. You're a real thing. Holy shit. Yeah, 0:37:14.367 --> 0:37:15.607 it's so funny. Yeah. 0:37:15.727 --> 0:37:18.727 So anyway, that's parks. Lots of chats in parks, a 0:37:18.807 --> 0:37:21.447 lot more dads in parks than there were ten twenty 0:37:21.527 --> 0:37:24.407 years ago. I've noticed playing the music with their speakers. 0:37:25.287 --> 0:37:29.367 My best is also child related. I bought Luna a 0:37:29.767 --> 0:37:30.967 feminist toy kitchen. 0:37:31.487 --> 0:37:36.127 Speak to me of how it's not just branding that 0:37:36.287 --> 0:37:39.207 acted that last minute. They just wrote feminist in front 0:37:39.207 --> 0:37:40.567 of toy kitchen, just her. 0:37:42.567 --> 0:37:44.967 I just threw in the word feminist to make myself 0:37:45.007 --> 0:37:49.247 feel better about finding her gender enormative toys. 0:37:49.847 --> 0:37:50.847 She's full enough to lion. 0:37:51.327 --> 0:37:53.607 So I bought. And one of the little known things 0:37:53.607 --> 0:37:56.167 about me is how much I like assembling things. So 0:37:56.367 --> 0:37:58.807 this kitchen, it got it in the Black Friday sales 0:37:59.247 --> 0:38:01.967 and it's got like all little foods. It's got so 0:38:02.127 --> 0:38:03.927 much stuff. I think it's got running water. I haven't 0:38:03.967 --> 0:38:05.887 worked out how to make that happen yet, but I 0:38:06.007 --> 0:38:09.407 had just the best time assembling it. Luna couldn't not 0:38:09.727 --> 0:38:12.687 have been less interested. She was like, I don't care 0:38:12.687 --> 0:38:14.807 about that kitchen. I'm not interested. She thought it was 0:38:14.847 --> 0:38:17.887 your toy, and she to go through her clothes because 0:38:17.887 --> 0:38:19.607 that's what she likes to do with Nana and put 0:38:19.687 --> 0:38:21.127 Nana's bracelets on her feet. 0:38:21.527 --> 0:38:23.847 Maybe she's just not a very feminist and she didn't want. 0:38:23.847 --> 0:38:26.647 We had a good old feminist time, me building the 0:38:26.727 --> 0:38:29.007 kitchen and her playing with clothes and jewels. 0:38:29.047 --> 0:38:32.767 I'd like to know that wear in the genetic line 0:38:32.807 --> 0:38:36.607 between you and I made you think she wanted to 0:38:36.647 --> 0:38:37.487 spend time in the kitchen. 0:38:38.887 --> 0:38:41.847 That's the point. And because she's do you know why? 0:38:41.927 --> 0:38:43.767 Because she never sees anyone in the kitchen. 0:38:44.207 --> 0:38:45.887 It's like, what what a kitchen's for? 0:38:46.367 --> 0:38:49.407 Yeah, it's like the playground, the cycle. I look at her, 0:38:49.687 --> 0:38:50.007 you're so. 0:38:54.007 --> 0:38:57.527 And what is your worst? Okay? So my worst? 0:38:57.727 --> 0:39:00.167 My biggest fear and I can say this because Holly's 0:39:00.207 --> 0:39:03.807 not here, but my biggest fear is accidentally marrying into 0:39:04.287 --> 0:39:08.727 an outdoorsy family. Yep, yep, I am terrified at them 0:39:08.807 --> 0:39:12.807 I grew up thinking holidays were cocktails by the pool, 0:39:13.087 --> 0:39:16.687 like seafood at the beach, just having big naps. And 0:39:16.767 --> 0:39:19.487 then I found out that some families go on bike rides. 0:39:20.207 --> 0:39:21.487 They're like doing a walk. 0:39:21.807 --> 0:39:24.447 So he Foster Blake and Hamish do out with their kids. 0:39:24.887 --> 0:39:27.007 And he was a bike rider and she wasn't, but 0:39:27.167 --> 0:39:29.727 she's become one, and now they go on family bike 0:39:29.807 --> 0:39:30.847 riding holidays, which. 0:39:30.807 --> 0:39:33.527 Actually feel envious looking at the photos, and then I think, 0:39:33.727 --> 0:39:35.527 but your bum gets sorer on a bike. 0:39:35.687 --> 0:39:37.847 I like the photos, but I wouldn't like to have 0:39:37.967 --> 0:39:40.087 to actually do the riding up the hills. 0:39:40.207 --> 0:39:43.247 And they haven't considered the future partners of their children, 0:39:43.967 --> 0:39:45.447 so that's where it all goes wrong. 0:39:45.567 --> 0:39:47.207 But don't you think that whatever your parents make you 0:39:47.287 --> 0:39:49.287 do as a kid, it's the opposite of what you 0:39:49.327 --> 0:39:50.727 want to do when you get to be an adult. 0:39:50.767 --> 0:39:52.567 Like my parents made me do road trips, which I 0:39:52.887 --> 0:39:55.767 freaking hate and I will never go in a car 0:39:55.887 --> 0:39:57.247 longer than about ten kilometers. 0:39:57.367 --> 0:39:58.807 Yeah, but then when you go back home for Christmas 0:39:58.847 --> 0:40:00.807 and you want to impress their parents, and they're like, 0:40:00.847 --> 0:40:01.647 impress me by. 0:40:01.607 --> 0:40:04.887 Walking, oh, with someone else's p Anyway, this. 0:40:05.007 --> 0:40:06.887 Is like beyond the thing anyway, So I had to 0:40:06.967 --> 0:40:09.207 go on a hike. I was overseas, which was really nice, 0:40:09.407 --> 0:40:11.847 very first of all, problem part of the itinerary was 0:40:11.927 --> 0:40:12.527 like going on a. 0:40:12.567 --> 0:40:14.087 High how long is that with a guy? 0:40:14.407 --> 0:40:14.447 No? 0:40:14.647 --> 0:40:16.567 No, no, no no, just with like a group of people, 0:40:16.607 --> 0:40:18.687 and just made me think about what my potential future 0:40:18.687 --> 0:40:18.927 could be. 0:40:19.087 --> 0:40:20.367 Like it was very deep. 0:40:20.767 --> 0:40:22.767 So we went on a hike in a big tour group. 0:40:23.207 --> 0:40:25.447 Like it was a seven k hike, which I was like, 0:40:25.607 --> 0:40:27.447 this is fine. I walk seven k's every day. 0:40:27.567 --> 0:40:28.047 That's not far. 0:40:28.407 --> 0:40:31.047 A seven k walk is different to a seven k hike. 0:40:31.567 --> 0:40:34.007 Okay, was it up? It was up? Yeah, and then 0:40:34.047 --> 0:40:34.767 it was down and. 0:40:34.727 --> 0:40:36.407 Then it goes down, but then it goes back up again. 0:40:36.487 --> 0:40:38.567 But also sometimes down is harder. Yeah. 0:40:38.607 --> 0:40:41.007 Yeah, for your knees, things were locking. I thank god 0:40:41.047 --> 0:40:42.487 I had my v balm for my chafe. 0:40:42.767 --> 0:40:44.847 Did you have your or your hiking gear on? 0:40:45.127 --> 0:40:45.287 Well? 0:40:45.327 --> 0:40:48.887 You know, because the itinerary said I'm walking to a 0:40:49.007 --> 0:40:51.447 tree top view for seven ks, I'm like, I can 0:40:51.487 --> 0:40:52.247 do a seven k walk. 0:40:52.487 --> 0:40:53.967 Did you not get the point where it was a view? 0:40:54.007 --> 0:40:55.047 It's probably somewhere high. 0:40:55.327 --> 0:40:57.127 Yeah, I thought there would be a lift and there 0:40:57.287 --> 0:41:00.727 wasn't a lift in the forest. It was also in Singapore, 0:41:00.727 --> 0:41:03.247 so it was like thirty five degree heat and raining. 0:41:03.687 --> 0:41:06.447 Oh my god, No, it was insane. But now it's 0:41:06.527 --> 0:41:09.487 like I've rebranded, like you're a hiking girl. I think so. 0:41:09.967 --> 0:41:11.607 I mean, I hate it and never do it again, 0:41:11.767 --> 0:41:13.447 but I've done it once, so I feel like that counts. 0:41:13.567 --> 0:41:14.247 Did you enjoy it? 0:41:14.487 --> 0:41:16.367 No, okay, I hated it. Did you get a photo? 0:41:16.567 --> 0:41:18.447 I did get a lot of photos. I's a lot 0:41:18.487 --> 0:41:20.447 of sweaty photos. It look like I've done something. I 0:41:20.567 --> 0:41:22.247 love it, but yeah, that was my worst. I don't 0:41:22.247 --> 0:41:24.087 think hykes should be a thing. I think they should 0:41:24.127 --> 0:41:25.927 put on holiday. 0:41:26.007 --> 0:41:30.447 It's very unpopular opinion to not love nature, Like it's 0:41:30.527 --> 0:41:33.567 kind of like the default that everyone's meant to love nature. 0:41:34.087 --> 0:41:35.447 I just think it's a bit overrated. 0:41:35.967 --> 0:41:38.607 My best, though, is part of the whole hike situation. 0:41:38.967 --> 0:41:41.167 Big picture was I did get to go to Singapore 0:41:41.367 --> 0:41:43.647 for a week, which was so much fun, so with 0:41:43.767 --> 0:41:46.047 my first international holiday, and I was just kind of 0:41:46.127 --> 0:41:49.487 like aware of the biggest differences. But like, she's never 0:41:49.527 --> 0:41:52.647 been overseas before before COVID, so my last overseas trip 0:41:52.767 --> 0:41:55.407 was in India twenty twenty, just before COVID happened, and 0:41:55.447 --> 0:41:56.887 then I never went overseas again. I think I was 0:41:56.887 --> 0:41:59.327 a bit scared and I didn't really understand. And everyone's 0:41:59.367 --> 0:42:01.047 losing their luggage. I was like, I can't deal with that. 0:42:02.967 --> 0:42:03.687 It was horrible. 0:42:04.127 --> 0:42:06.927 So I found out that like people in airport, it's 0:42:06.967 --> 0:42:09.407 such like a much better experience, like everyone seen so 0:42:09.487 --> 0:42:12.847 much nicer, a bit more calm, like respecting each other spaces. 0:42:13.247 --> 0:42:14.167 That all goes to shit when you. 0:42:14.207 --> 0:42:16.247 Get on the plane. No one knows how to act 0:42:16.287 --> 0:42:16.727 on a plane. 0:42:16.967 --> 0:42:19.807 It is no I think we've become worse after COVID 0:42:19.807 --> 0:42:21.247 as well on place. It's bad. 0:42:21.447 --> 0:42:24.847 The funny thing was traveling just after COVID, when flights 0:42:24.887 --> 0:42:28.047 were just opening up again and everyone had forgotten how 0:42:28.127 --> 0:42:31.847 to travel, Like the lines were so long because it's like, oh, 0:42:32.127 --> 0:42:33.767 what do I got to take out in my bag again? 0:42:33.887 --> 0:42:35.807 What hang on? I've oh, I've got my phone in 0:42:35.847 --> 0:42:38.007 my pocket, like everyone just forgot Can. 0:42:37.887 --> 0:42:40.007 I ask what you saw in Singapore? Like what were 0:42:40.007 --> 0:42:40.607 the highlights? 0:42:40.767 --> 0:42:44.247 Okay, the food was amazing. So I'm so sorry for 0:42:44.327 --> 0:42:47.367 anyone who has allergies or dietares because this part will suck. 0:42:47.447 --> 0:42:50.047 But the group that I went to had no dietares, 0:42:50.087 --> 0:42:52.687 which apparently was the first for the PR person and 0:42:52.727 --> 0:42:54.327 she was like, I'm just gonna go crazy and the 0:42:54.407 --> 0:42:56.847 amount of food we ate was insane. 0:42:57.087 --> 0:42:57.647 Oh, I love it. 0:42:57.887 --> 0:43:00.727 Like Singapore is such an underrated holiday destination. I feel 0:43:00.727 --> 0:43:02.767 like it's a place that you just stop over before 0:43:02.767 --> 0:43:05.007 you go to your holiday. Everyone needs a holiday and 0:43:05.127 --> 0:43:05.607 I don't. 0:43:05.527 --> 0:43:08.127 Think about like hiking and stuff in Singapore. 0:43:08.247 --> 0:43:10.887 It's stunning, like them so close to Malaysia. We did 0:43:10.967 --> 0:43:13.887 the same. We stopped once, but we did a trip 0:43:13.927 --> 0:43:17.327 and we did the night zoo oh jale No I 0:43:17.327 --> 0:43:19.847 didn't get to do the nights and Universal Studios. Yeah, 0:43:20.007 --> 0:43:21.007 so good, so much. 0:43:21.087 --> 0:43:23.927 Then everything's within like thirty minutes because it's so small 0:43:24.087 --> 0:43:26.287 and they have so much to do so clean. Yeah, 0:43:26.447 --> 0:43:27.087 go to Singapore. 0:43:27.287 --> 0:43:27.887 That was my best. 0:43:28.327 --> 0:43:30.327 That's all we have time for today. A big thank 0:43:30.327 --> 0:43:32.007 you to all of you the out louders for listening 0:43:32.047 --> 0:43:34.527 to today's show. We'll be back in your ears next 0:43:34.607 --> 0:43:36.247 week and read us out. 0:43:36.847 --> 0:43:39.767 A massive thank you to our out Loud team, our 0:43:39.887 --> 0:43:43.007 Tea Lady and group ep Root. Devine had a big 0:43:43.167 --> 0:43:45.687 wedding for her first marriage and eloped for her second 0:43:45.807 --> 0:43:47.847 she turn out of ten would recommend. 0:43:47.727 --> 0:43:51.767 She's been here for three months now. Who Yes, we've 0:43:51.847 --> 0:43:54.527 been saying that she came in for an interview about 0:43:54.607 --> 0:43:57.447 something completely unrelated to this show, and she's never been 0:43:57.487 --> 0:43:59.487 allowed to leave. We've blocked the exits. 0:44:00.207 --> 0:44:04.127 Concerning executive producer Emiline Gozillas is in need of a 0:44:04.247 --> 0:44:07.727 life best because she is drowning in wedding season and em. 0:44:07.727 --> 0:44:10.167 Got a promotion this week. She's now the sam producer. 0:44:11.247 --> 0:44:11.647 Look at her. 0:44:11.727 --> 0:44:13.887 God, she looks a lot like Ariana Grande. 0:44:14.567 --> 0:44:15.727 Because she's got a high pony. 0:44:15.847 --> 0:44:17.527 Yes, I can wing Darlina all right. 0:44:18.167 --> 0:44:21.167 Our audio producer is Leah Porge's. She refuses to pay 0:44:21.207 --> 0:44:25.327 the exorbitan wedding prices and will one day elope like Ruth. 0:44:25.927 --> 0:44:29.167 And our video producer is Josh Green. He thinks weddings 0:44:29.207 --> 0:44:31.567 are ridiculous, hence why he ran off to the mountains 0:44:31.567 --> 0:44:32.967 to a lope. We have an eloping team. 0:44:33.127 --> 0:44:35.687 We do he elopes just a week and a half ago. 0:44:35.847 --> 0:44:39.047 I think is it at all a coincidence that our team, 0:44:39.287 --> 0:44:41.607 who do all of the hard work that sit on 0:44:41.687 --> 0:44:44.167 the other side of the MIC's eloped and you and I. 0:44:46.247 --> 0:44:49.247 Put it fast exchange. 0:44:49.607 --> 0:44:52.647 Development out loud as we know you're not ready to 0:44:52.687 --> 0:44:54.767 say goodbye, so we thought we'd leave you with a 0:44:54.847 --> 0:44:57.607 little bit of a conversation we had on a subscriber 0:44:57.727 --> 0:45:00.407 episode about Christmas dilemmas. 0:45:01.167 --> 0:45:03.527 These days, it feels like maybe it's social media and 0:45:03.527 --> 0:45:06.767 all those things that Christmas present should be as high 0:45:06.807 --> 0:45:10.127 as the tree, and everybody's getting design of this, and 0:45:10.367 --> 0:45:14.847 iPad that and Apple watch this, and it's thousands. 0:45:14.327 --> 0:45:15.847 Of dollars and who's got that? 0:45:16.167 --> 0:45:16.727 You know what I mean? 0:45:16.847 --> 0:45:19.527 I also reckon I actually agree with your friend who 0:45:19.567 --> 0:45:21.807 gets offended that if there is a limit on how 0:45:21.887 --> 0:45:24.287 much you spend, I think we've all just got to 0:45:24.287 --> 0:45:27.567 agree to stick to the limit. 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