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Speaker 1: On Hello and welcome to Mama Mea out loud. I'm

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Speaker 1: driving the show on Friday where you won't find any

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Speaker 1: news on our Friday show because it's when we unplug

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Speaker 1: from the news cycle and that's exciting. No one cares

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Speaker 1: except me. Today's Friday, the twenty ninth of November. I'm

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Speaker 1: Mea Friedman and.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm Vernon filling in for Holly today.

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Speaker 1: Welcome em.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I've just been admiring EM's seven piercings in her ear,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to go and get some more piercings immediately.

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Speaker 3: I'm prone to not an infection, but an irritation of

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Speaker 3: the ear. Yeah, and I feel like that would be

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Speaker 3: multiplying it by seven, and I worry, how is your ear?

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Speaker 1: Help?

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Speaker 2: It's really bad. So a few of them took I

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Speaker 2: think three years to heal.

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Speaker 1: Cool. Cool, Yeah, it happens. Claimer on the show today,

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Speaker 1: Wedding Tax Luxury content creator and bank details on wedding invites. Wait,

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Speaker 1: are we putting your bank details on wedding invites. Now

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Speaker 1: I think I missed a memo. We've got some questions

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Speaker 1: about weddings in twenty twenty four. Plus Jesse it has

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Speaker 1: a TV show that she wants you to watch, which

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Speaker 1: is not unusual. I've got a brilliant podcast episode for

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Speaker 1: you to listen to. And EM's got a balm for

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Speaker 1: your bits. It's our recommendations and our best and worst

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Speaker 1: of the week, which include the delicious part of travel,

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Speaker 1: the festive season, and more news about m's bits. Just kidding,

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Speaker 1: some firm words for playgrounds and feedback.

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Speaker 2: But first, in case you miss it, parents are apparently

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Speaker 2: making their children watch sex scenes with them, and I'm

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Speaker 2: so glad this wasn't my generation. So this comes with

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Speaker 2: the increasing worry that children are learning sex through porn,

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Speaker 2: where sex acts like choking BDSM, calling women names like

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Speaker 2: bitch and and anal and anal are kind of being

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Speaker 2: seen as that's just the way sex is. Rather for

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Speaker 2: our generations are were like, that's not really what sex is.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's on the menu, but you don't know everybody

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Speaker 3: Well, the sexual awakening for previous generations might have been

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Speaker 3: looking at your dad's Playboy or looking through, you know,

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Speaker 1: My brother had a copy of Puberty Blues. That's how

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Speaker 3: But now it's like the awakening in the education has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so some parents are turning to sit in front

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Speaker 2: or movies where they're actually showing a really I guess,

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Speaker 1: Have you got any examples?

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Speaker 2: Yes, the carriage scene in Bridgeton do you remember that

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Speaker 1: That was good? Yes?

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Speaker 3: And what did these kind of scenes entail that are

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Speaker 2: I think it's the wording around consent. Like I was

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Speaker 2: looking at a redded thread. It's like this subredded that's

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Speaker 2: And one of the questions they had was I know

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Speaker 2: Can we do this and still keeping it really intimate?

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Speaker 2: But I think not on sexy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's not just that, though, because I

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Speaker 1: So the only problem is I don't think anybody asks

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Speaker 3: You know why, it is because no teen boy, and

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Speaker 3: It's embarrassing. You don't want to. And I reckon that

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Speaker 1: Read white people an't having sex.

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Speaker 3: No, because you read stories like this, and you're like,

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Speaker 3: you're telling me that when my child is fourteen, we

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Speaker 3: Come on, let's put it on and look at it.

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Speaker 3: See how the willy goes in the vagina here, look

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't have to go up the body.

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Speaker 2: No, all the case studies were all mums and sons. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like the daughters don't need it, clearly.

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Speaker 3: Where are the others? But I reckon, this is the

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Speaker 3: we are so far gone, what do we do?

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Speaker 3: I don't think that a single mom and her four

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Speaker 3: we've got it. There's got to be like, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Sit down Johnny and watch this ethical pawn together, and

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Speaker 1: all the women in this consented and were paid well.

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Speaker 3: Like I heard a mother saying, well, you know, poor

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Speaker 1: But I think that what we all accepted and didn't

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Speaker 3: Look, I know, start the conversation just like that, and

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Speaker 1: But there are lots of people who really like eating

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that things that can be harmful,

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Speaker 3: We're busy enough. A wedding tax, luxury wedding content creators,

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Speaker 3: Her older sister was so excited for her, right, she

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Speaker 3: happened next. So Emily, with her wedding, decided to impose

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Speaker 3: business deal. Apparently this was expected on top of buying

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Speaker 2: Is true, allegedly rage bait because there's no way.

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Speaker 1: There is no way, So can you explain to me?

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Speaker 1: So it's like my cousin Jack, come to my wedding.

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Speaker 3: See. I think I don't know if it's cousin. I

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Speaker 3: with your immediate family siblings. YEP is going, Hey, my

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Speaker 1: So it's like a gift registry, but for the cost

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the plan. And apparently when she said

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Speaker 3: and Mom and Maya spoke to Wendy L. Curry, who's

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Speaker 3: people to ask their parents to contribute, that's quite a

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Speaker 3: this kind of thing is unusual. Yeah, to ask you

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Speaker 2: You have a lot of siblings.

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Speaker 3: I know, did you lean in to I could have.

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Speaker 3: I really couldn't.

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Speaker 1: By the time, you don't have very money down between

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Speaker 3: Between all of the siblings. I think they've got one

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Speaker 3: hundred bucks between them, Like they're just not rolling. You've

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Speaker 1: I was also reading about this couple who put their

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Speaker 1: bag details on the wedding invitation, which I thought was, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I like that interesting. Really Yeah, I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: money went into someone else's account. But is that really

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Speaker 1: a thing putting bank details on wedding invitations?

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Speaker 3: I quite like it.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen that, but I enjoy it because then

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Speaker 2: you don't have to get the card, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to write the message, get the cash out, and you

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Speaker 2: saying this is for a wedding gift, not cocaine.

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Speaker 3: And people can also do a card, you know. I

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Speaker 1: Like, we don't need another sauce bin, but we would

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Speaker 4: Day three is a luckually wedding event content creator in Paris.

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Speaker 3: That's so clever, isn't it filling a gap in the market.

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Speaker 1: But also brides and grooms just got an extra thing

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Speaker 3: Because the problem is with your wedding video because videographers

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Speaker 2: But how do you post it on Instagram?

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Speaker 2: I've also seen some beef between a videographer at a

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Speaker 1: So now you've got surrounding you jostling for position like

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Speaker 3: It's my dad. It's my dad who's bringing it. That's

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Speaker 3: I love them that aren't will not be told she will.

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Speaker 3: will hate and you will hate this.

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Speaker 1: It's not hard because I'm pretty picky. Usually Holly specializes

442
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Speaker 1: in those because because she likes things about crime and dark.

443
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Speaker 3: Holy British rural towns love this and em You've got

444
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Speaker 3: good taste, so I think you might like it. To

445
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Speaker 3: thank you so much. It's called The Day of the Jackal.

446
00:20:43,007 --> 00:20:44,767
Speaker 3: It's on you hate it.

447
00:20:44,887 --> 00:20:45,247
Speaker 1: I love it.

448
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Speaker 2: I just started watching it last night.

449
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Speaker 4: So good.

450
00:20:48,127 --> 00:20:50,407
Speaker 3: So it is a remake of a nineteen seventy three

451
00:20:50,687 --> 00:20:52,887
Speaker 3: film by the same name. I've obviously never heard of it.

452
00:20:53,127 --> 00:20:55,927
Speaker 3: What is relevant is that Eddie Redmain is in it. Okay,

453
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Speaker 3: Eddie Redmain is really hot and important. He's playing to

454
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Speaker 3: you actually think that, Yes, Lucid, I had a big

455
00:21:03,927 --> 00:21:08,687
Speaker 3: argu about it. No, and Luke, yeah maybe not in

456
00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:12,967
Speaker 3: that Carry Potters No, oh, I see Lames. I fell

457
00:21:13,007 --> 00:21:17,647
Speaker 3: in love with him yeah, Oh my goodness, who was he?

458
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Speaker 3: He's a beautiful scene. He was a beautiful Frenchman crow

459
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Speaker 3: and Hugh Jackman in there. Yeah, and Eddie Redmain get

460
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Speaker 3: it together. Oh my goodness. Okay, it's a British thriller

461
00:21:26,207 --> 00:21:28,687
Speaker 3: and it's also got Lashana Lynch in it. And it's

462
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Speaker 3: perfect to watch with your partner or your parents. If

463
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Speaker 3: you've got other people different age groups in the house,

464
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Speaker 3: you need something to kind of that. You'll all enjoy.

465
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Speaker 1: Any education, some sex, but not where you need to.

466
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Speaker 3: Educate it more guns. So Red Main, whose character is

467
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Speaker 3: a jackal. He's an assassin and in the first episode

468
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Speaker 3: you see him carry out a near impossible assassination of

469
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Speaker 3: a political figure and from there he's been pursued by

470
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Speaker 3: m I six.

471
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Speaker 1: Police are looking for him.

472
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Speaker 6: We are reaching out to all international partners for assistance.

473
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Speaker 1: He's an ex exceptional assassin. He will kill again.

474
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Speaker 7: Let's stop it.

475
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Speaker 1: There's no record of it anywhere. As a ghost.

476
00:22:19,647 --> 00:22:21,007
Speaker 3: I know I can find him.

477
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Speaker 1: I've heard good things about you, Bianca, don't let me down.

478
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Speaker 3: So it's a bit line of Judy Bit James Bond

479
00:22:28,407 --> 00:22:31,007
Speaker 3: bitborn identity. It's so good and where I'm up to

480
00:22:31,047 --> 00:22:33,807
Speaker 3: You're like this. There's an Elon Musk like character and

481
00:22:33,927 --> 00:22:38,087
Speaker 3: he's basically exactly there's a hit on him, Eddie Redmain,

482
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Speaker 3: the Jackal. His job is to assassinate essentially one of

483
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Speaker 3: the most famous rich people in the entire world. And

484
00:22:43,687 --> 00:22:47,807
Speaker 3: it's about why and you know, what's going to unfold,

485
00:22:48,327 --> 00:22:51,767
Speaker 3: And it's all about exposing parts of politics and government

486
00:22:51,967 --> 00:22:55,647
Speaker 3: and policing and all like and the cat and mouse chase, yeah,

487
00:22:55,847 --> 00:22:57,167
Speaker 3: and the things I didn't know about.

488
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Speaker 1: Do you get anxiety? No?

489
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean diagnosed kind of, but not for

490
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Speaker 2: that stuff.

491
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Speaker 1: Do you think I was going to ask might seem

492
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Speaker 1: an unrelated question, but I was going to ask because Jesse,

493
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Speaker 1: I know you do. I've that I don't like watching

494
00:23:11,167 --> 00:23:15,447
Speaker 1: things that have a lot of suspense. Yeah, I find

495
00:23:15,567 --> 00:23:17,767
Speaker 1: they're unpleasant for me, Like even the first season of

496
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Speaker 1: Bad Sisters, which I went back and tried to watch

497
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Speaker 1: again because everyone's raving about the second season. I don't

498
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Speaker 1: like the feeling of suspense. See I'm enjoyable.

499
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Speaker 3: I interpret it as anticipation, and I spend my day

500
00:23:29,447 --> 00:23:31,207
Speaker 3: like I've spent my day thinking about what's going to

501
00:23:31,207 --> 00:23:33,727
Speaker 3: happen next. In this show. What I will say is

502
00:23:33,847 --> 00:23:36,447
Speaker 3: that I'm very sensitive at the moment to any violence

503
00:23:36,567 --> 00:23:39,367
Speaker 3: and even like death. I kind of bristle, and there's

504
00:23:39,367 --> 00:23:41,687
Speaker 3: a lot of that. There's a lot of that in

505
00:23:41,767 --> 00:23:44,407
Speaker 3: this But the suspense and the story is trumping at

506
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Speaker 3: all for me.

507
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Speaker 2: But you do watch suspense like the Perfect Couple that's

508
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Speaker 2: kind of like spa.

509
00:23:48,767 --> 00:23:51,127
Speaker 1: No, that's like a bit of a mystery, but it's

510
00:23:51,207 --> 00:23:55,647
Speaker 1: not like suspenseful. It's not like what's going to happen.

511
00:23:56,007 --> 00:23:58,367
Speaker 1: It's like more curiosity. So the White Lotus and all

512
00:23:58,367 --> 00:24:00,167
Speaker 1: those things where it starts with the body and then

513
00:24:00,207 --> 00:24:01,807
Speaker 1: it's like a who done it? That's different.

514
00:24:02,207 --> 00:24:05,287
Speaker 3: The Age basically called this the show of the year

515
00:24:05,367 --> 00:24:06,407
Speaker 3: and they gave five stars.

516
00:24:06,527 --> 00:24:07,407
Speaker 1: So I'm not alone.

517
00:24:07,727 --> 00:24:10,727
Speaker 3: It is. It is Prestige television, It is on Binge

518
00:24:11,127 --> 00:24:12,407
Speaker 3: and what have you got? So?

519
00:24:13,127 --> 00:24:16,047
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much I complained about my vagina

520
00:24:16,327 --> 00:24:19,087
Speaker 2: on the show until I got an email. Well, Mia,

521
00:24:19,167 --> 00:24:21,567
Speaker 2: you actually got an email. Someone emailed Mia saying that

522
00:24:21,687 --> 00:24:24,047
Speaker 2: they were vagina, saying that they were concerned for my vagina,

523
00:24:24,127 --> 00:24:26,047
Speaker 2: and she kindly passed on to me. We have quite

524
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Speaker 2: an interesting relationship, don't we.

525
00:24:27,447 --> 00:24:29,287
Speaker 1: You and I yeah, yeah, we really do. It's not

526
00:24:29,407 --> 00:24:31,367
Speaker 1: like a normal workplace is at this different.

527
00:24:32,167 --> 00:24:34,607
Speaker 2: So it was a beautiful email. It was from these

528
00:24:34,647 --> 00:24:37,967
Speaker 2: two sisters who have started a business together called Serenity

529
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Speaker 2: p H. And one of them is a doctor and

530
00:24:40,767 --> 00:24:43,367
Speaker 2: they help women with their vaginal health. And they were

531
00:24:43,447 --> 00:24:44,967
Speaker 2: quite concerned for me, which is fair.

532
00:24:45,087 --> 00:24:47,327
Speaker 1: Well, I must have missed the episode where You're Vagina.

533
00:24:47,407 --> 00:24:51,327
Speaker 2: We talked about winter vagina and how to combat winter vagina,

534
00:24:51,327 --> 00:24:53,047
Speaker 2: and I talked about how I got sent this oil,

535
00:24:53,247 --> 00:24:54,487
Speaker 2: and I wasn't really vibing what.

536
00:24:54,647 --> 00:24:55,527
Speaker 1: Is winter vagina.

537
00:24:55,847 --> 00:24:58,447
Speaker 2: It was about Drina's like your vagina goes drying.

538
00:24:58,567 --> 00:24:59,967
Speaker 1: That's it, perimenopause.

539
00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:01,287
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things.

540
00:25:01,367 --> 00:25:03,487
Speaker 2: It's a vaginismus thing, it's a pcos thing. So I

541
00:25:03,607 --> 00:25:06,487
Speaker 2: was talking about that, and I was talking about how

542
00:25:06,607 --> 00:25:10,007
Speaker 2: like these skincare companies send me like these really expensive

543
00:25:10,047 --> 00:25:13,647
Speaker 2: products that like just smell really nice and they're mental help,

544
00:25:13,727 --> 00:25:15,167
Speaker 2: but they're like kind of oily and every time.

545
00:25:15,047 --> 00:25:16,207
Speaker 3: I sit down, I feel like I'm on a slide

546
00:25:16,247 --> 00:25:16,647
Speaker 3: of the seat.

547
00:25:17,247 --> 00:25:20,967
Speaker 2: So these two beautiful sisters sent me their product, which

548
00:25:21,087 --> 00:25:24,167
Speaker 2: is called the Vulvercare v Bar, and it's fifty five

549
00:25:24,207 --> 00:25:25,247
Speaker 2: dollars from their website.

550
00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:28,407
Speaker 3: It is so good and what does it help? Like,

551
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:29,847
Speaker 3: what's the problem it helps with?

552
00:25:30,087 --> 00:25:32,567
Speaker 2: So it helps with the dryness of my vagina. So

553
00:25:32,607 --> 00:25:34,767
Speaker 2: because I have vagin, this mistress I have talked about

554
00:25:34,807 --> 00:25:36,367
Speaker 2: in the past, we can link that episode in the

555
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Speaker 2: show notes. But my vagina is essentially sorry for my

556
00:25:40,687 --> 00:25:45,927
Speaker 2: descriptive term, it's safe space, dry, red, and inflexible.

557
00:25:46,007 --> 00:25:46,727
Speaker 1: So it's a bit angry.

558
00:25:46,807 --> 00:25:48,807
Speaker 2: It's a bit angry, and it needs to be moist

559
00:25:49,007 --> 00:25:49,447
Speaker 2: and pink.

560
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Speaker 1: How's it different to like lubricant because.

561
00:25:52,767 --> 00:25:56,447
Speaker 2: With vagin this miss some lubes actually sting, so it

562
00:25:56,567 --> 00:25:59,127
Speaker 2: could help temporarily, but then when you want to be

563
00:25:59,207 --> 00:26:02,047
Speaker 2: intimate with a partner or like use a tampon, it

564
00:26:02,207 --> 00:26:02,887
Speaker 2: just hurts a lot.

565
00:26:03,207 --> 00:26:05,567
Speaker 3: And a lot of products have like, as you say,

566
00:26:05,687 --> 00:26:08,567
Speaker 3: fragrances or chemicals or whatever. And if you've got sensitive skin,

567
00:26:08,647 --> 00:26:09,127
Speaker 3: it's the last thing.

568
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Speaker 1: This is interesting because the other thing that happens during

569
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Speaker 1: perimenopause and menopause is that the skin around in your

570
00:26:15,047 --> 00:26:19,447
Speaker 1: vagina thins out, so it's prone to little micro tears.

571
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Speaker 4: You know.

572
00:26:20,127 --> 00:26:21,967
Speaker 3: Apparently I was reading this week when we did our

573
00:26:21,967 --> 00:26:25,727
Speaker 3: other segment about volvers, the like shape and size and

574
00:26:25,807 --> 00:26:28,007
Speaker 3: all of that of your volver changes throughout the month,

575
00:26:28,327 --> 00:26:30,647
Speaker 3: like even on your cycle, Yeah, on your side, and

576
00:26:30,767 --> 00:26:33,527
Speaker 3: like you know, after perimenopause and stuff. But it's so

577
00:26:33,647 --> 00:26:36,727
Speaker 3: affected by hormones. Yeah, you kind of don't know what

578
00:26:36,887 --> 00:26:37,487
Speaker 3: to do about it.

579
00:26:37,567 --> 00:26:39,847
Speaker 2: It's so weird. But this bomb helps everything. It's even

580
00:26:39,847 --> 00:26:41,607
Speaker 2: recommended for women with perimenopause.

581
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Speaker 1: That's great because at one point I found myself using

582
00:26:43,847 --> 00:26:46,487
Speaker 1: pseudo cream, that old thing which is for nappy rash.

583
00:26:46,687 --> 00:26:48,567
Speaker 3: Really yeah, get the v bomb.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was a great wreco. You're expected. My Turn

585
00:26:53,967 --> 00:26:57,967
Speaker 1: is a fantastic episode of mid that I was listening

586
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Speaker 1: to with two of my best friends, Holly Wayne Wright

587
00:27:02,127 --> 00:27:05,807
Speaker 1: interviewing Bruna Papinrea. Now, Bruna is one of my oldest

588
00:27:05,807 --> 00:27:10,127
Speaker 1: friends and an amazing producer, Big Little Lie the dry

589
00:27:10,487 --> 00:27:14,287
Speaker 1: speaking of vaginas, which was not about her vagina or

590
00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:17,247
Speaker 1: in deed mind strife of course a million things. And

591
00:27:18,287 --> 00:27:21,727
Speaker 1: the episode is called Ambition Says Yes and Body Says Nup.

592
00:27:22,487 --> 00:27:24,847
Speaker 1: And it was such a great title because Bruna in

593
00:27:25,007 --> 00:27:27,967
Speaker 1: many ways is in the one of the high points

594
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Speaker 1: of her career. She's an incredibly successful producer. She's getting

595
00:27:32,247 --> 00:27:34,367
Speaker 1: so many things done. She's got all these projects on

596
00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:38,527
Speaker 1: the go, but she lives with a chronic illness and

597
00:27:39,007 --> 00:27:42,167
Speaker 1: it's an invisible chronic illness and it is called loopus

598
00:27:42,367 --> 00:27:46,167
Speaker 1: and it is an autoimmune disease, and she wakes up

599
00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:49,527
Speaker 1: in pain every single day. And she talks about how

600
00:27:49,887 --> 00:27:53,767
Speaker 1: this intersection between the highest points in her life and

601
00:27:53,887 --> 00:27:56,007
Speaker 1: when she wants to do all these things and her

602
00:27:56,047 --> 00:27:57,527
Speaker 1: body kind of won't let her.

603
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Speaker 6: And I think one of the biggest ones is realizing

604
00:28:01,807 --> 00:28:03,967
Speaker 6: that just at the point you kind of feel like

605
00:28:04,167 --> 00:28:08,367
Speaker 6: you you know, are just getting started, you are dealing

606
00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:11,287
Speaker 6: with not me so much in this moment, but like

607
00:28:11,327 --> 00:28:13,887
Speaker 6: I have so many friends dealing with aging parents, parents

608
00:28:13,927 --> 00:28:16,847
Speaker 6: who are dying. I'm also dealing with, you know, a

609
00:28:16,927 --> 00:28:21,167
Speaker 6: pretty extreme health condition, and I'm dealing with two eleven

610
00:28:21,247 --> 00:28:25,367
Speaker 6: year olds and also running a business. So yes, because

611
00:28:25,807 --> 00:28:28,727
Speaker 6: I'm a very high functioning person with lupus. And every

612
00:28:28,767 --> 00:28:31,047
Speaker 6: time I meet another high functioning person or meet them,

613
00:28:31,127 --> 00:28:34,167
Speaker 6: even when I hear about one, you know, Selena Gomez,

614
00:28:34,487 --> 00:28:36,247
Speaker 6: you know, the one of the Willing Sisters, you know,

615
00:28:37,607 --> 00:28:40,007
Speaker 6: it gives me, It just kind of makes me feel

616
00:28:40,847 --> 00:28:43,527
Speaker 6: good because I'm like, well, they can do it. So, yeah,

617
00:28:43,607 --> 00:28:46,407
Speaker 6: sometimes I will just crash, and just because if I'm

618
00:28:46,447 --> 00:28:49,927
Speaker 6: not looking after myself, which is crucial and as women,

619
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Speaker 6: I think we do often. I think there's some crazy

620
00:28:52,847 --> 00:28:54,487
Speaker 6: stat that women go to the doctor and look after

621
00:28:54,527 --> 00:28:57,607
Speaker 6: themselves so much less after they have children. We just

622
00:28:57,687 --> 00:28:59,047
Speaker 6: prioritize things in a different way.

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Speaker 1: She also talks about Holly and Bruno both have husbands

624
00:29:03,447 --> 00:29:07,167
Speaker 1: who have really lent in to family life because they

625
00:29:07,247 --> 00:29:10,807
Speaker 1: both had kids later in life and their husband's or

626
00:29:10,967 --> 00:29:14,847
Speaker 1: Holly's partner has leaned in because you know, Bruna has

627
00:29:14,927 --> 00:29:16,807
Speaker 1: to travel. I think she's been to Europe eight times

628
00:29:16,847 --> 00:29:19,927
Speaker 1: this year for work, and the States maybe seven times,

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00:29:20,487 --> 00:29:23,847
Speaker 1: and her husband and Brent often. Because Holly comes down

630
00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:26,287
Speaker 1: to Sydney for work a lot and travels, Brent does

631
00:29:26,327 --> 00:29:29,167
Speaker 1: the same. There It's just a really interesting conversation between

632
00:29:29,207 --> 00:29:32,527
Speaker 1: two really interesting women. I loved it.

633
00:29:32,767 --> 00:29:33,567
Speaker 2: I loved that fire.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to Yeah, have a listen. I just

635
00:29:36,327 --> 00:29:39,287
Speaker 1: love it. Now in a moment, there's some more of

636
00:29:39,367 --> 00:29:42,327
Speaker 1: the show coming up. I'm driving and so probably in

637
00:29:42,407 --> 00:29:44,607
Speaker 1: the script I was meant to prepare a little line

638
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Speaker 1: this is why I don't get to drive very often,

639
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Speaker 1: But we'll be back after a break to talk more.

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Speaker 3: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of MUMMYA

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Speaker 3: out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers, follow the link in

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Speaker 3: the show notes to get your daily dose of out

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Speaker 3: Loud and a big thank you to all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 2: It is time for best and Worse. This is a

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Speaker 2: part of the show where we talk a little bit

646
00:30:21,007 --> 00:30:25,167
Speaker 2: more about our personal lives. Because my recommendation wasn't personal

647
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Speaker 2: enough clearly, Jesse, what is your worst of the week?

648
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Speaker 3: My worst? Boring but true. Teething baby And yesterday things

649
00:30:36,047 --> 00:30:40,127
Speaker 3: got so bad with Luna in her teeth. She grumbled

650
00:30:40,167 --> 00:30:41,847
Speaker 3: and she cried all day and it got so bad.

651
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Speaker 3: I had to call Lucra and say, you have to

652
00:30:43,207 --> 00:30:44,167
Speaker 3: come home, like I can't.

653
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Speaker 1: Doesn't hurt them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's got most of her teeth. I was like,

655
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Speaker 3: are there any left to come down? But I think

656
00:30:50,327 --> 00:30:53,247
Speaker 3: there's the big ones are coming down, and she's just

657
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Speaker 3: like she won't sleep, she won't eat, she can't be

658
00:30:56,807 --> 00:31:00,687
Speaker 3: distracted like she was so distressed, and it was I

659
00:31:00,727 --> 00:31:03,567
Speaker 3: think from seven thirty to about two pm she just

660
00:31:03,647 --> 00:31:05,887
Speaker 3: cried the entire time because of her teeth, and we

661
00:31:05,967 --> 00:31:08,887
Speaker 3: were doing all the things that you're meant to, but

662
00:31:09,567 --> 00:31:11,727
Speaker 3: it was so so full on. And then over the weekend,

663
00:31:11,847 --> 00:31:13,647
Speaker 3: like I was meant to go and visit my pop

664
00:31:13,687 --> 00:31:14,807
Speaker 3: and there are a bunch of things I want to

665
00:31:14,847 --> 00:31:16,527
Speaker 3: do and I just went, I just can't do it

666
00:31:16,607 --> 00:31:19,887
Speaker 3: with her, Like she's just on the weekend. Yeah, not

667
00:31:20,047 --> 00:31:22,687
Speaker 3: her best self. And you know what, Like I'm awful

668
00:31:22,727 --> 00:31:24,527
Speaker 3: when I'm in pain too, but that's because I can

669
00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:26,967
Speaker 3: winge about it, and this is her and it's so.

670
00:31:26,967 --> 00:31:29,567
Speaker 2: Annoying because then they lose them anyway, So what's the point.

671
00:31:29,647 --> 00:31:30,247
Speaker 3: What's the point?

672
00:31:30,487 --> 00:31:30,967
Speaker 1: Is the point?

673
00:31:31,007 --> 00:31:33,767
Speaker 3: Am? Like, just don't get teeth till you're fine? Yeah,

674
00:31:34,327 --> 00:31:37,247
Speaker 3: I guess it's to just nare on them to eat stuff. Yeah,

675
00:31:37,887 --> 00:31:41,847
Speaker 3: my best is I had my family Christmas over the

676
00:31:41,887 --> 00:31:44,687
Speaker 3: weekend on early mom's side, yep. So what we do

677
00:31:45,167 --> 00:31:47,007
Speaker 3: is in order to get there's like fifty of us

678
00:31:47,087 --> 00:31:49,527
Speaker 3: on mom's side, and in order to do that, we

679
00:31:49,647 --> 00:31:52,167
Speaker 3: do it like a month early because everyone goes away

680
00:31:52,247 --> 00:31:53,967
Speaker 3: and school holidays and blah blah blah, and we're like,

681
00:31:54,047 --> 00:31:56,207
Speaker 3: let's just do it super super early. And the kids

682
00:31:56,247 --> 00:31:58,447
Speaker 3: love it because they like get presents early. It was

683
00:31:58,527 --> 00:32:02,607
Speaker 3: really special because it was the first Christmas. Like, Luna

684
00:32:02,687 --> 00:32:05,127
Speaker 3: was very toddler that day. She was not her best self.

685
00:32:05,447 --> 00:32:07,887
Speaker 3: But to watch her like properly open a present for

686
00:32:07,927 --> 00:32:11,807
Speaker 3: the first time, like actually get really excited was really special.

687
00:32:11,887 --> 00:32:15,807
Speaker 3: And meet all her cousins properly, it was lovely. I

688
00:32:15,887 --> 00:32:19,287
Speaker 3: think she's developed this habit of every time she sees

689
00:32:19,327 --> 00:32:22,487
Speaker 3: someone she doesn't really know, she yells away and swats

690
00:32:22,567 --> 00:32:24,967
Speaker 3: them like a fly. Oh I didn't teach her that,

691
00:32:25,087 --> 00:32:28,167
Speaker 3: I think for all of us. The grandmother told her

692
00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:29,927
Speaker 3: that to try me. Yea, I swear she goes to

693
00:32:29,967 --> 00:32:31,127
Speaker 3: your house and she comes back.

694
00:32:31,007 --> 00:32:33,767
Speaker 1: With these terrible habits. Well, it's funny because I have

695
00:32:33,887 --> 00:32:36,847
Speaker 1: started implementing. I tried a new thing for the first

696
00:32:36,887 --> 00:32:38,567
Speaker 1: time this week, which is when I'm invited to do

697
00:32:38,687 --> 00:32:41,207
Speaker 1: something that I don't want to do, you say away

698
00:32:41,247 --> 00:32:46,727
Speaker 1: and swoop them. I literally reply, oh no, I'd hate that. Okay,

699
00:32:47,247 --> 00:32:49,047
Speaker 1: I tried it this week for the first time.

700
00:32:49,207 --> 00:32:49,727
Speaker 3: How did that go?

701
00:32:50,487 --> 00:32:53,887
Speaker 1: Went quite well? Quite well. I felt really liberated because

702
00:32:53,887 --> 00:32:55,687
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh I'm sorry, I'm just like, oh no,

703
00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:58,207
Speaker 1: I'd hate that, because I would hate that. Right I'd

704
00:32:58,247 --> 00:33:01,607
Speaker 1: been invited to do this social thing and go to

705
00:33:01,727 --> 00:33:04,047
Speaker 1: the sea the tennis and I'm not interested in tennis,

706
00:33:04,087 --> 00:33:06,607
Speaker 1: and blah blah. I would love that, well exactly, and

707
00:33:06,727 --> 00:33:08,367
Speaker 1: you would love that, but I would not love that.

708
00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:10,527
Speaker 1: So I was just like, oh no, i'd hate that.

709
00:33:10,807 --> 00:33:13,487
Speaker 3: Is that not offensive to the person? If I extended

710
00:33:13,487 --> 00:33:15,447
Speaker 3: you and invite and I said, Maya, would you like

711
00:33:15,487 --> 00:33:18,367
Speaker 3: to come to my netball game to watch me play netball?

712
00:33:19,047 --> 00:33:20,647
Speaker 1: And you said, oh no, I'd hate that.

713
00:33:20,967 --> 00:33:22,047
Speaker 3: I would be so offended.

714
00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:24,167
Speaker 2: I think it's important in the time. I don't think

715
00:33:24,207 --> 00:33:25,487
Speaker 2: you can say that like on an email.

716
00:33:25,607 --> 00:33:27,087
Speaker 1: Well I did. I said it in a text and

717
00:33:27,207 --> 00:33:29,207
Speaker 1: I said, oh no, I hate that. I'd hate that,

718
00:33:29,447 --> 00:33:30,727
Speaker 1: And then I said to say lol.

719
00:33:30,847 --> 00:33:32,287
Speaker 3: It was to my cousin, okay, but I.

720
00:33:32,327 --> 00:33:34,287
Speaker 1: Said to him just in case it wasn't clear, and

721
00:33:34,367 --> 00:33:37,167
Speaker 1: he thought I was being santastic. Seriously, I would actually

722
00:33:37,287 --> 00:33:41,327
Speaker 1: hate that. Sh So I just had to hammer at home. Anyway,

723
00:33:41,447 --> 00:33:43,447
Speaker 1: I highly recommend that. Maybe that should have been my

724
00:33:43,527 --> 00:33:45,687
Speaker 1: recommendation radical candor.

725
00:33:46,047 --> 00:33:46,927
Speaker 3: Mayo, what's your worst?

726
00:33:47,687 --> 00:33:52,647
Speaker 1: My worst is also child related. I had forgotten since

727
00:33:52,967 --> 00:33:55,407
Speaker 1: in the time that I spent between having little kids

728
00:33:55,447 --> 00:33:58,807
Speaker 1: as a mother and now having little kids as a grandmother,

729
00:33:59,247 --> 00:34:00,687
Speaker 1: how much I hate playgrounds?

730
00:34:00,967 --> 00:34:03,487
Speaker 3: Talk to me because I'm a pleased I actually love

731
00:34:03,567 --> 00:34:04,087
Speaker 3: a playground.

732
00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:06,687
Speaker 1: Do I hate playgrounds? I have a friend who used

733
00:34:06,687 --> 00:34:09,767
Speaker 1: to call it death by park because when your kids

734
00:34:09,767 --> 00:34:11,447
Speaker 1: are little, there's only so much you can do. And

735
00:34:11,887 --> 00:34:14,967
Speaker 1: certainly I've forgotten that you can't stay home all the time,

736
00:34:15,007 --> 00:34:17,167
Speaker 1: because I do like to stay home, but they get bored.

737
00:34:17,247 --> 00:34:18,847
Speaker 1: You have to go out. You have to have outings.

738
00:34:19,007 --> 00:34:21,287
Speaker 1: You don't want to spend money necessarily, they don't necessarily

739
00:34:21,367 --> 00:34:23,967
Speaker 1: be in the pram. Parks are free, Parks are outdoors.

740
00:34:24,287 --> 00:34:28,407
Speaker 1: Parks are great, except I hate them. Although why I just.

741
00:34:28,407 --> 00:34:31,047
Speaker 2: Had to try telling Luna I would hate doing that.

742
00:34:31,647 --> 00:34:33,967
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'd hate that where she's like, we let's

743
00:34:34,007 --> 00:34:34,447
Speaker 1: go to the park.

744
00:34:34,527 --> 00:34:37,287
Speaker 3: Oh no, I hate that because she's developed like a parkage.

745
00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:38,407
Speaker 1: Lets look at my phone in.

746
00:34:39,887 --> 00:34:41,487
Speaker 3: Come on at my phone.

747
00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:43,967
Speaker 1: You sit there while I look at my phone. That

748
00:34:44,047 --> 00:34:45,007
Speaker 1: will be so fun, and.

749
00:34:45,047 --> 00:34:50,007
Speaker 3: Will sit quietly alone. Here here's an iPad, grandma maya, No, no.

750
00:34:50,167 --> 00:34:52,287
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I'm under so much pressure because

751
00:34:52,327 --> 00:34:54,487
Speaker 1: we can't have any screen distractions. So off I am

752
00:34:54,567 --> 00:34:56,887
Speaker 1: to the playground. Right And also I'll do anything for her.

753
00:34:57,527 --> 00:34:59,887
Speaker 1: The good news, there've been two new developments since I've

754
00:34:59,927 --> 00:35:03,167
Speaker 1: been spending time in playgrounds. Banana bread is still a feature.

755
00:35:03,447 --> 00:35:03,607
Speaker 3: Nice.

756
00:35:03,847 --> 00:35:07,927
Speaker 1: Yes, still with the classic playground, the classic snack of playgrounds.

757
00:35:08,567 --> 00:35:13,687
Speaker 1: Playground have gotten more interesting, Like they've gotten much safer.

758
00:35:13,967 --> 00:35:18,647
Speaker 1: So there's like the playgrounds near my house, it's more boring. Well, no,

759
00:35:19,007 --> 00:35:22,647
Speaker 1: they've done a big renovation of it and now it's

760
00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:26,207
Speaker 1: all accessible. So there's like wheelchair swings that you can

761
00:35:26,327 --> 00:35:28,487
Speaker 1: lie in for kids who are maybe in chairs or

762
00:35:28,847 --> 00:35:31,327
Speaker 1: who can't sit up on their own. And there's a

763
00:35:31,367 --> 00:35:35,927
Speaker 1: lot more shade, and there's like different levels of slippery dip, and.

764
00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:38,207
Speaker 3: There's less screws poking up through the ground.

765
00:35:38,327 --> 00:35:41,687
Speaker 1: Yeah, like everything's like quite safe and quite interesting. But

766
00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:46,207
Speaker 1: the best development since I was lasting playgrounds is air pods. Yeah,

767
00:35:46,927 --> 00:35:48,527
Speaker 1: so I can pop my air pods in. I can

768
00:35:48,607 --> 00:35:51,727
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast while still being very present and

769
00:35:52,127 --> 00:35:54,327
Speaker 1: making sure she doesn't go backwards down the slippery dip.

770
00:35:54,447 --> 00:35:57,407
Speaker 3: What I've noticed is that the fathers bring a speaker.

771
00:35:57,887 --> 00:36:00,927
Speaker 3: The father's allowspeaker, a loudspeaker. They bring like a little

772
00:36:01,567 --> 00:36:03,607
Speaker 3: handheld speaker and they set it up and they play

773
00:36:03,647 --> 00:36:05,527
Speaker 3: their music in the part like watch Elton John in

774
00:36:05,567 --> 00:36:07,287
Speaker 3: the past one eleven am.

775
00:36:07,407 --> 00:36:09,767
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they just put an AirPods because.

776
00:36:09,527 --> 00:36:12,287
Speaker 3: The everyone wants to listen to their music now, everyone wants.

777
00:36:12,367 --> 00:36:14,167
Speaker 1: That's what AirPods are for. That's what headphones.

778
00:36:14,207 --> 00:36:16,367
Speaker 3: No, they're doing community service for all of us.

779
00:36:17,567 --> 00:36:20,607
Speaker 1: Everyone. But what I have noticed, because lest anyone cancel

780
00:36:20,687 --> 00:36:23,527
Speaker 1: me or shame me, I am still very attentive Jesse.

781
00:36:24,367 --> 00:36:26,687
Speaker 1: I take one out so I can always hear her.

782
00:36:26,807 --> 00:36:28,687
Speaker 1: But also I'm not It's like she's one and a half.

783
00:36:28,767 --> 00:36:31,087
Speaker 1: It's not like I cannot look at her, but I'm

784
00:36:31,207 --> 00:36:35,887
Speaker 1: watching her all the time. But that's just not very interesting. No, No,

785
00:36:36,207 --> 00:36:38,367
Speaker 1: it's actually anyway, what are the rules.

786
00:36:38,167 --> 00:36:40,567
Speaker 2: Of the playground? Because you know, I like a swing.

787
00:36:40,887 --> 00:36:43,207
Speaker 2: I think we all as adults like sometimes swinging.

788
00:36:43,407 --> 00:36:48,487
Speaker 3: But if it's my turn, okay, that's actually I'm learning

789
00:36:48,487 --> 00:36:50,647
Speaker 3: about the politics because I think you've got to keep

790
00:36:50,647 --> 00:36:52,167
Speaker 3: an eye out. I did go the other day, and

791
00:36:52,207 --> 00:36:53,647
Speaker 3: I swear that kid was on the swing for twenty

792
00:36:53,687 --> 00:36:56,527
Speaker 3: five minutes and treadmills at the gym. My child is

793
00:36:56,607 --> 00:36:59,407
Speaker 3: clearly hovering. I think it's time to get off the

794
00:36:59,447 --> 00:37:01,847
Speaker 3: swing and Luna. She has a book about parks, and

795
00:37:01,967 --> 00:37:03,327
Speaker 3: so when she first went to the park, it was

796
00:37:03,407 --> 00:37:05,207
Speaker 3: like she'd gone to Paris. Like you know how you

797
00:37:05,287 --> 00:37:07,087
Speaker 3: read about Paris and then you're like, I'm here. That

798
00:37:07,207 --> 00:37:10,487
Speaker 3: was Luna with a slide's know of you from my books.

799
00:37:10,887 --> 00:37:14,047
Speaker 3: You're a real thing. You're a real thing. Holy shit. Yeah,

800
00:37:14,367 --> 00:37:15,607
Speaker 3: it's so funny. Yeah.

801
00:37:15,727 --> 00:37:18,727
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's parks. Lots of chats in parks, a

802
00:37:18,807 --> 00:37:21,447
Speaker 1: lot more dads in parks than there were ten twenty

803
00:37:21,527 --> 00:37:24,407
Speaker 1: years ago. I've noticed playing the music with their speakers.

804
00:37:25,287 --> 00:37:29,367
Speaker 1: My best is also child related. I bought Luna a

805
00:37:29,767 --> 00:37:30,967
Speaker 1: feminist toy kitchen.

806
00:37:31,487 --> 00:37:36,127
Speaker 3: Speak to me of how it's not just branding that

807
00:37:36,287 --> 00:37:39,207
Speaker 3: acted that last minute. They just wrote feminist in front

808
00:37:39,207 --> 00:37:40,567
Speaker 3: of toy kitchen, just her.

809
00:37:42,567 --> 00:37:44,967
Speaker 1: I just threw in the word feminist to make myself

810
00:37:45,007 --> 00:37:49,247
Speaker 1: feel better about finding her gender enormative toys.

811
00:37:49,847 --> 00:37:50,847
Speaker 2: She's full enough to lion.

812
00:37:51,327 --> 00:37:53,607
Speaker 1: So I bought. And one of the little known things

813
00:37:53,607 --> 00:37:56,167
Speaker 1: about me is how much I like assembling things. So

814
00:37:56,367 --> 00:37:58,807
Speaker 1: this kitchen, it got it in the Black Friday sales

815
00:37:59,247 --> 00:38:01,967
Speaker 1: and it's got like all little foods. It's got so

816
00:38:02,127 --> 00:38:03,927
Speaker 1: much stuff. I think it's got running water. I haven't

817
00:38:03,967 --> 00:38:05,887
Speaker 1: worked out how to make that happen yet, but I

818
00:38:06,007 --> 00:38:09,407
Speaker 1: had just the best time assembling it. Luna couldn't not

819
00:38:09,727 --> 00:38:12,687
Speaker 1: have been less interested. She was like, I don't care

820
00:38:12,687 --> 00:38:14,807
Speaker 1: about that kitchen. I'm not interested. She thought it was

821
00:38:14,847 --> 00:38:17,887
Speaker 1: your toy, and she to go through her clothes because

822
00:38:17,887 --> 00:38:19,607
Speaker 1: that's what she likes to do with Nana and put

823
00:38:19,687 --> 00:38:21,127
Speaker 1: Nana's bracelets on her feet.

824
00:38:21,527 --> 00:38:23,847
Speaker 2: Maybe she's just not a very feminist and she didn't want.

825
00:38:23,847 --> 00:38:26,647
Speaker 1: We had a good old feminist time, me building the

826
00:38:26,727 --> 00:38:29,007
Speaker 1: kitchen and her playing with clothes and jewels.

827
00:38:29,047 --> 00:38:32,767
Speaker 3: I'd like to know that wear in the genetic line

828
00:38:32,807 --> 00:38:36,607
Speaker 3: between you and I made you think she wanted to

829
00:38:36,647 --> 00:38:37,487
Speaker 3: spend time in the kitchen.

830
00:38:38,887 --> 00:38:41,847
Speaker 1: That's the point. And because she's do you know why?

831
00:38:41,927 --> 00:38:43,767
Speaker 1: Because she never sees anyone in the kitchen.

832
00:38:44,207 --> 00:38:45,887
Speaker 3: It's like, what what a kitchen's for?

833
00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:49,407
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the playground, the cycle. I look at her,

834
00:38:49,687 --> 00:38:50,007
Speaker 1: you're so.

835
00:38:54,007 --> 00:38:57,527
Speaker 3: And what is your worst? Okay? So my worst?

836
00:38:57,727 --> 00:39:00,167
Speaker 2: My biggest fear and I can say this because Holly's

837
00:39:00,207 --> 00:39:03,807
Speaker 2: not here, but my biggest fear is accidentally marrying into

838
00:39:04,287 --> 00:39:08,727
Speaker 2: an outdoorsy family. Yep, yep, I am terrified at them

839
00:39:08,807 --> 00:39:12,807
Speaker 2: I grew up thinking holidays were cocktails by the pool,

840
00:39:13,087 --> 00:39:16,687
Speaker 2: like seafood at the beach, just having big naps. And

841
00:39:16,767 --> 00:39:19,487
Speaker 2: then I found out that some families go on bike rides.

842
00:39:20,207 --> 00:39:21,487
Speaker 3: They're like doing a walk.

843
00:39:21,807 --> 00:39:24,447
Speaker 1: So he Foster Blake and Hamish do out with their kids.

844
00:39:24,887 --> 00:39:27,007
Speaker 1: And he was a bike rider and she wasn't, but

845
00:39:27,167 --> 00:39:29,727
Speaker 1: she's become one, and now they go on family bike

846
00:39:29,807 --> 00:39:30,847
Speaker 1: riding holidays, which.

847
00:39:30,807 --> 00:39:33,527
Speaker 3: Actually feel envious looking at the photos, and then I think,

848
00:39:33,727 --> 00:39:35,527
Speaker 3: but your bum gets sorer on a bike.

849
00:39:35,687 --> 00:39:37,847
Speaker 1: I like the photos, but I wouldn't like to have

850
00:39:37,967 --> 00:39:40,087
Speaker 1: to actually do the riding up the hills.

851
00:39:40,207 --> 00:39:43,247
Speaker 2: And they haven't considered the future partners of their children,

852
00:39:43,967 --> 00:39:45,447
Speaker 2: so that's where it all goes wrong.

853
00:39:45,567 --> 00:39:47,207
Speaker 1: But don't you think that whatever your parents make you

854
00:39:47,287 --> 00:39:49,287
Speaker 1: do as a kid, it's the opposite of what you

855
00:39:49,327 --> 00:39:50,727
Speaker 1: want to do when you get to be an adult.

856
00:39:50,767 --> 00:39:52,567
Speaker 1: Like my parents made me do road trips, which I

857
00:39:52,887 --> 00:39:55,767
Speaker 1: freaking hate and I will never go in a car

858
00:39:55,887 --> 00:39:57,247
Speaker 1: longer than about ten kilometers.

859
00:39:57,367 --> 00:39:58,807
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then when you go back home for Christmas

860
00:39:58,847 --> 00:40:00,807
Speaker 2: and you want to impress their parents, and they're like,

861
00:40:00,847 --> 00:40:01,647
Speaker 2: impress me by.

862
00:40:01,607 --> 00:40:04,887
Speaker 1: Walking, oh, with someone else's p Anyway, this.

863
00:40:05,007 --> 00:40:06,887
Speaker 2: Is like beyond the thing anyway, So I had to

864
00:40:06,967 --> 00:40:09,207
Speaker 2: go on a hike. I was overseas, which was really nice,

865
00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:11,847
Speaker 2: very first of all, problem part of the itinerary was

866
00:40:11,927 --> 00:40:12,527
Speaker 2: like going on a.

867
00:40:12,567 --> 00:40:14,087
Speaker 3: High how long is that with a guy?

868
00:40:14,407 --> 00:40:14,447
Speaker 4: No?

869
00:40:14,647 --> 00:40:16,567
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, just with like a group of people,

870
00:40:16,607 --> 00:40:18,687
Speaker 2: and just made me think about what my potential future

871
00:40:18,687 --> 00:40:18,927
Speaker 2: could be.

872
00:40:19,087 --> 00:40:20,367
Speaker 3: Like it was very deep.

873
00:40:20,767 --> 00:40:22,767
Speaker 2: So we went on a hike in a big tour group.

874
00:40:23,207 --> 00:40:25,447
Speaker 2: Like it was a seven k hike, which I was like,

875
00:40:25,607 --> 00:40:27,447
Speaker 2: this is fine. I walk seven k's every day.

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Speaker 1: That's not far.

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Speaker 2: A seven k walk is different to a seven k hike.

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Speaker 1: Okay, was it up? It was up? Yeah, and then

879
00:40:34,047 --> 00:40:34,767
Speaker 1: it was down and.

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00:40:34,727 --> 00:40:36,407
Speaker 2: Then it goes down, but then it goes back up again.

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00:40:36,487 --> 00:40:38,567
Speaker 1: But also sometimes down is harder. Yeah.

882
00:40:38,607 --> 00:40:41,007
Speaker 2: Yeah, for your knees, things were locking. I thank god

883
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Speaker 2: I had my v balm for my chafe.

884
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Speaker 3: Did you have your or your hiking gear on?

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00:40:45,127 --> 00:40:45,287
Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: You know, because the itinerary said I'm walking to a

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Speaker 2: tree top view for seven ks, I'm like, I can

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Speaker 2: do a seven k walk.

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Speaker 1: Did you not get the point where it was a view?

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Speaker 1: It's probably somewhere high.

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00:40:55,327 --> 00:40:57,127
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there would be a lift and there

892
00:40:57,287 --> 00:41:00,727
Speaker 2: wasn't a lift in the forest. It was also in Singapore,

893
00:41:00,727 --> 00:41:03,247
Speaker 2: so it was like thirty five degree heat and raining.

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00:41:03,687 --> 00:41:06,447
Speaker 3: Oh my god, No, it was insane. But now it's

895
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Speaker 3: like I've rebranded, like you're a hiking girl. I think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I hate it and never do it again,

897
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Speaker 2: but I've done it once, so I feel like that counts.

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Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 3: No, okay, I hated it. Did you get a photo?

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Speaker 2: I did get a lot of photos. I's a lot

901
00:41:18,487 --> 00:41:20,447
Speaker 2: of sweaty photos. It look like I've done something. I

902
00:41:20,567 --> 00:41:22,247
Speaker 2: love it, but yeah, that was my worst. I don't

903
00:41:22,247 --> 00:41:24,087
Speaker 2: think hykes should be a thing. I think they should

904
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Speaker 2: put on holiday.

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00:41:26,007 --> 00:41:30,447
Speaker 1: It's very unpopular opinion to not love nature, Like it's

906
00:41:30,527 --> 00:41:33,567
Speaker 1: kind of like the default that everyone's meant to love nature.

907
00:41:34,087 --> 00:41:35,447
Speaker 1: I just think it's a bit overrated.

908
00:41:35,967 --> 00:41:38,607
Speaker 2: My best, though, is part of the whole hike situation.

909
00:41:38,967 --> 00:41:41,167
Speaker 2: Big picture was I did get to go to Singapore

910
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Speaker 2: for a week, which was so much fun, so with

911
00:41:43,767 --> 00:41:46,047
Speaker 2: my first international holiday, and I was just kind of

912
00:41:46,127 --> 00:41:49,487
Speaker 2: like aware of the biggest differences. But like, she's never

913
00:41:49,527 --> 00:41:52,647
Speaker 2: been overseas before before COVID, so my last overseas trip

914
00:41:52,767 --> 00:41:55,407
Speaker 2: was in India twenty twenty, just before COVID happened, and

915
00:41:55,447 --> 00:41:56,887
Speaker 2: then I never went overseas again. I think I was

916
00:41:56,887 --> 00:41:59,327
Speaker 2: a bit scared and I didn't really understand. And everyone's

917
00:41:59,367 --> 00:42:01,047
Speaker 2: losing their luggage. I was like, I can't deal with that.

918
00:42:02,967 --> 00:42:03,687
Speaker 3: It was horrible.

919
00:42:04,127 --> 00:42:06,927
Speaker 2: So I found out that like people in airport, it's

920
00:42:06,967 --> 00:42:09,407
Speaker 2: such like a much better experience, like everyone seen so

921
00:42:09,487 --> 00:42:12,847
Speaker 2: much nicer, a bit more calm, like respecting each other spaces.

922
00:42:13,247 --> 00:42:14,167
Speaker 3: That all goes to shit when you.

923
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Speaker 2: Get on the plane. No one knows how to act

924
00:42:16,287 --> 00:42:16,727
Speaker 2: on a plane.

925
00:42:16,967 --> 00:42:19,807
Speaker 3: It is no I think we've become worse after COVID

926
00:42:19,807 --> 00:42:21,247
Speaker 3: as well on place. It's bad.

927
00:42:21,447 --> 00:42:24,847
Speaker 1: The funny thing was traveling just after COVID, when flights

928
00:42:24,887 --> 00:42:28,047
Speaker 1: were just opening up again and everyone had forgotten how

929
00:42:28,127 --> 00:42:31,847
Speaker 1: to travel, Like the lines were so long because it's like, oh,

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00:42:32,127 --> 00:42:33,767
Speaker 1: what do I got to take out in my bag again?

931
00:42:33,887 --> 00:42:35,807
Speaker 1: What hang on? I've oh, I've got my phone in

932
00:42:35,847 --> 00:42:38,007
Speaker 1: my pocket, like everyone just forgot Can.

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00:42:37,887 --> 00:42:40,007
Speaker 3: I ask what you saw in Singapore? Like what were

934
00:42:40,007 --> 00:42:40,607
Speaker 3: the highlights?

935
00:42:40,767 --> 00:42:44,247
Speaker 2: Okay, the food was amazing. So I'm so sorry for

936
00:42:44,327 --> 00:42:47,367
Speaker 2: anyone who has allergies or dietares because this part will suck.

937
00:42:47,447 --> 00:42:50,047
Speaker 2: But the group that I went to had no dietares,

938
00:42:50,087 --> 00:42:52,687
Speaker 2: which apparently was the first for the PR person and

939
00:42:52,727 --> 00:42:54,327
Speaker 2: she was like, I'm just gonna go crazy and the

940
00:42:54,407 --> 00:42:56,847
Speaker 2: amount of food we ate was insane.

941
00:42:57,087 --> 00:42:57,647
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.

942
00:42:57,887 --> 00:43:00,727
Speaker 2: Like Singapore is such an underrated holiday destination. I feel

943
00:43:00,727 --> 00:43:02,767
Speaker 2: like it's a place that you just stop over before

944
00:43:02,767 --> 00:43:05,007
Speaker 2: you go to your holiday. Everyone needs a holiday and

945
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Speaker 2: I don't.

946
00:43:05,527 --> 00:43:08,127
Speaker 1: Think about like hiking and stuff in Singapore.

947
00:43:08,247 --> 00:43:10,887
Speaker 3: It's stunning, like them so close to Malaysia. We did

948
00:43:10,967 --> 00:43:13,887
Speaker 3: the same. We stopped once, but we did a trip

949
00:43:13,927 --> 00:43:17,327
Speaker 3: and we did the night zoo oh jale No I

950
00:43:17,327 --> 00:43:19,847
Speaker 3: didn't get to do the nights and Universal Studios. Yeah,

951
00:43:20,007 --> 00:43:21,007
Speaker 3: so good, so much.

952
00:43:21,087 --> 00:43:23,927
Speaker 2: Then everything's within like thirty minutes because it's so small

953
00:43:24,087 --> 00:43:26,287
Speaker 2: and they have so much to do so clean. Yeah,

954
00:43:26,447 --> 00:43:27,087
Speaker 2: go to Singapore.

955
00:43:27,287 --> 00:43:27,887
Speaker 3: That was my best.

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Speaker 1: That's all we have time for today. A big thank

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Speaker 1: you to all of you the out louders for listening

958
00:43:32,047 --> 00:43:34,527
Speaker 1: to today's show. We'll be back in your ears next

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Speaker 1: week and read us out.

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Speaker 2: A massive thank you to our out Loud team, our

961
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Speaker 2: Tea Lady and group ep Root. Devine had a big

962
00:43:43,167 --> 00:43:45,687
Speaker 2: wedding for her first marriage and eloped for her second

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00:43:45,807 --> 00:43:47,847
Speaker 2: she turn out of ten would recommend.

964
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Speaker 1: She's been here for three months now. Who Yes, we've

965
00:43:51,847 --> 00:43:54,527
Speaker 1: been saying that she came in for an interview about

966
00:43:54,607 --> 00:43:57,447
Speaker 1: something completely unrelated to this show, and she's never been

967
00:43:57,487 --> 00:43:59,487
Speaker 1: allowed to leave. We've blocked the exits.

968
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Speaker 2: Concerning executive producer Emiline Gozillas is in need of a

969
00:44:04,247 --> 00:44:07,727
Speaker 2: life best because she is drowning in wedding season and em.

970
00:44:07,727 --> 00:44:10,167
Speaker 1: Got a promotion this week. She's now the sam producer.

971
00:44:11,247 --> 00:44:11,647
Speaker 2: Look at her.

972
00:44:11,727 --> 00:44:13,887
Speaker 1: God, she looks a lot like Ariana Grande.

973
00:44:14,567 --> 00:44:15,727
Speaker 2: Because she's got a high pony.

974
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Speaker 1: Yes, I can wing Darlina all right.

975
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Speaker 2: Our audio producer is Leah Porge's. She refuses to pay

976
00:44:21,207 --> 00:44:25,327
Speaker 2: the exorbitan wedding prices and will one day elope like Ruth.

977
00:44:25,927 --> 00:44:29,167
Speaker 2: And our video producer is Josh Green. He thinks weddings

978
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Speaker 2: are ridiculous, hence why he ran off to the mountains

979
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Speaker 2: to a lope. We have an eloping team.

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Speaker 1: We do he elopes just a week and a half ago.

981
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Speaker 3: I think is it at all a coincidence that our team,

982
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Speaker 3: who do all of the hard work that sit on

983
00:44:41,687 --> 00:44:44,167
Speaker 3: the other side of the MIC's eloped and you and I.

984
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Speaker 1: Put it fast exchange.

985
00:44:49,607 --> 00:44:52,647
Speaker 3: Development out loud as we know you're not ready to

986
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Speaker 3: say goodbye, so we thought we'd leave you with a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a conversation we had on a subscriber

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Speaker 3: episode about Christmas dilemmas.

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Speaker 7: These days, it feels like maybe it's social media and

990
00:45:03,527 --> 00:45:06,767
Speaker 7: all those things that Christmas present should be as high

991
00:45:06,807 --> 00:45:10,127
Speaker 7: as the tree, and everybody's getting design of this, and

992
00:45:10,367 --> 00:45:14,847
Speaker 7: iPad that and Apple watch this, and it's thousands.

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Speaker 3: Of dollars and who's got that?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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00:45:16,847 --> 00:45:19,527
Speaker 3: I also reckon I actually agree with your friend who

996
00:45:19,567 --> 00:45:21,807
Speaker 3: gets offended that if there is a limit on how

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00:45:21,887 --> 00:45:24,287
Speaker 3: much you spend, I think we've all just got to

998
00:45:24,287 --> 00:45:27,567
Speaker 3: agree to stick to the limit. Bye bye Ba.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening. If

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Speaker 1: you love the show and want to support us as well,

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