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Speaker 1: You're listening to a mom and Mere podcast. Oh go,

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Speaker 1: just before we start, status check on school holidays. How's

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Speaker 1: everyone going.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine. I'm still in daycare land.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in school hell like you, it feels like

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Speaker 3: a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if your kids are still on school holidays, thoughts

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Speaker 1: and prayers. If you are a school teacher going back

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Speaker 1: to work in a matter.

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Speaker 4: Of days, also prayers. I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 4: school holidays. I want to talk about the Taylor Swift

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Speaker 4: and Blake Lively text.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it? Hang on, wait, I've read them now,

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Speaker 3: I'm at to speed.

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Speaker 1: Can I start the show and then we'll do it? Hi,

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Speaker 1: if you're near here, welcome to Parenting out Loud. We

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Speaker 1: are not here to tell you how to parent. We're

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Speaker 1: here to talk about parenting culture, like trying to make

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Speaker 1: sense of the trends and the news and the things

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Speaker 1: that you see online or in real life. And you think, wait,

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Speaker 1: is this what we're doing now?

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Speaker 3: Bully? I'm Amelia Lester and I'm Stacy Higgs.

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Speaker 1: What happened with the texts?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: So this very long ongoing saga with it ends with

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Speaker 4: us the movie that Blake Lively maybe with Justin Baldoni.

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Speaker 4: There's many court cases associated with it. But just this week,

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Speaker 4: text messages were subpoened between Taylor Swift and Blake Lively.

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Speaker 4: Now they were best friends, unclear whether they still are,

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Speaker 4: and what I love about the text is that they're

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Speaker 4: incredibly relatable. There's one text exchange where Blake text Taylor says,

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Speaker 4: are you mad at me? You know that kind of

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Speaker 4: text that you send to a friend when you're like,

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Speaker 4: I just feel like there's something weird happening here. And

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Speaker 4: the best part is that she goes, yeah, there is.

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Speaker 4: You're correct, there is, and they address it.

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Speaker 3: What did you think of the tech?

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Speaker 2: I loved it. I was like, Taylor handled this like

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Speaker 2: a lot of things going on, but yeah, the messages

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Speaker 2: friend back, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: But I loved it.

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Speaker 4: It also did make me think that we do have

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Speaker 4: to be careful about everything we write down.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, documenting that is like scary business, Like that

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Speaker 2: is my worst nightmare, a friendship disagreement getting out in

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Speaker 2: the public.

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Speaker 1: You need to move to Signal.

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Speaker 3: So you told us that your friends are moving.

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Speaker 1: I have a mum friend where we like to text

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Speaker 1: each other things that we would not want to be

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Speaker 1: leaked or subpoened or released, whatever the you say. And

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Speaker 1: we've moved our chats to Signal so that they self

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Speaker 1: combust you can't see them.

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Speaker 4: Is this a journalist friend, because Sale is a very intense,

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Speaker 4: very encryptied messaging app that I would not think that

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Speaker 4: most people would need to use.

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Speaker 1: It's not a journalist friend, it's just a normal friend.

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Speaker 1: But we had an incident where I texted her something

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Speaker 1: Her husband. Okay, I texted her something. It probably was

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Speaker 1: only for her eyes. Her husband saw it. It was

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Speaker 2: Now, like a snapchat for mum like so it just

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Speaker 1: It's like WhatsApp, but it's like heavily encrypted and then

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Speaker 3: So that's what we're doing now, We're doing Signal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Taylor should have taken a leaf out of.

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Speaker 3: Your book and use that.

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Speaker 2: So coming up on today's show, the Beckham Family got

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Speaker 2: us thinking about controlling parents and what it means to

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Speaker 2: have control and then when it slips over into control ling.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever snuck out of work early to pick

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Speaker 1: up your kids?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Was it a career ending move for you? I

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to tell you about this story I found.

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Speaker 2: But first I've got some good news. Stop blending kale

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Speaker 2: into your kids' moothies or saying that you will. Kale's done,

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Speaker 3: Wasn't doing it. But that's good.

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Speaker 2: Good. You don't need to worry about it now. According

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Speaker 2: to Vogue, twenty six is the year of the cabbage.

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Speaker 2: Cabbage is hot.

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Speaker 3: What yeah, Vogue?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the fashion magazine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, through the forefront of what's cool

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Speaker 2: in life in the zite, guys, Apparently cabbage is in

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is like in the nineties when

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Speaker 4: so much energy to crunch it. Is that why voguzine

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Speaker 4: cabbage so quintessential diet food.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it feels like. It does feel very

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Speaker 2: diet coded. But it's like protein had its moment last year,

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Speaker 2: what do we have? What's our best food? We can

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Speaker 2: roll out? And it's cabbage.

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Speaker 3: Cabbage. You got some pr Yeah it did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what this is also making me think

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Speaker 4: is that when I was breastfeeding my first child, yeah,

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Speaker 4: midwife Cath Melbourne's met my. Cath was my guru and

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Speaker 4: in her book The First Six Weeks, she says that

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Speaker 4: if you feel that your breast are engrged, you can

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Speaker 4: whack a cabbage leaf on them.

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Speaker 3: So multi purpose very much.

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Speaker 4: Associate cabbage with those first crazy weeks breastfeeding. And that's

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Speaker 4: not a particularly delicious connotation, I gotta know. And they

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Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing me this culture, But I don't

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Speaker 1: understand why Vogue, a fashion magazine, is talking about food

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Speaker 1: like stay in your lane, Yeah, stay in your lane.

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Speaker 2: Vote you tell me what jeans I need? That's the

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Speaker 3: And can answer that question.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's there's something like what humble

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Speaker 1: because come, what cabbage is quite humble?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, very basic.

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Speaker 1: I would like to see Makona coffee in voke. Don't

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Speaker 3: Wait? And it's not bad? I was also so nostalgia

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Speaker 2: I don't anything potatoes. You never see it be the

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Speaker 1: Yes, the humble, everyday things that now need to be championed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twenty seven, look, yeah, Ostereoterione nominations.

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Speaker 3: As mum of me.

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Speaker 4: As you, correspondent, I got another bit of food news

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Speaker 4: for you. I need to inform you that the Trump

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Speaker 4: administration has an official beverage and that beverage is whole

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Speaker 4: full fat milk. Immediate reactions because people have strong feelings

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Speaker 4: about full fat dairy Stacey.

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Speaker 2: I love a bit of milk aways have, Yeah, full

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Speaker 1: Give me any pro milk, pro fil fat milk.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe it's not so controversial for you, but

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Speaker 4: full fat milk. He released a new food pyramid. It's

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Speaker 4: basically the old food pyramid turned upside down. Full fat

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Speaker 4: then in between threatening to invade Greenland and avoiding the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files, Trump made time this week to sign a

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Speaker 4: law saying that all American schools can only serve full

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Speaker 3: Because you know, American schools have cafeterias, like you've seen.

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Speaker 4: Teenages, they had all been serving low fat milk because

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Speaker 4: So now full fat milk is back in US schools.

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Speaker 4: And then, not to put you find a point on it,

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Speaker 2: So that's where we're at, guys, Cabbage and milk get into.

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about Trump. I don't don't follow politics.

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Speaker 1: But he loves the nostalgia pool, doesn't he. He loves

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Speaker 1: Is it a nostalgic play? Is it a life was

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And I think I think that there's sort of like

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Speaker 3: Let alone the armond and the oak.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, No, guys, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: autistic Barbie in case.

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Speaker 2: She's been everywhere this week, Like I have not seen

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Speaker 3: Okay, but how should I feel about this? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, stop stop because some people listen to this might

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Speaker 1: not even know that Mattel released an autistic bar Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We live in the new cycle. Yes, not everybody does.

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Speaker 1: So Mattel released this doll. A couple of facts that

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Speaker 1: from guidance from the autistic community, took from eighteen months

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Speaker 1: the doll reflects some experiences on the autism spectrum, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't represent everyone. You know, we can't be all

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Speaker 1: So the doll has a few features. It has noise

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Speaker 2: And the eye contact something they did the eye contact

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's been lots of chat about it, pros cons,

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with, was the timing of this release. This

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Speaker 1: doll was released on January the twelfth.

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Speaker 2: What's the significance of January the twelfth?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting. I clocked this because I thought,

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Speaker 3: Twel Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, think about January twelfth. It's post Christmas. No

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Speaker 1: one's out there buying toys. But the holiday period is

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Speaker 1: kind of over and news journalists are back at work

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Speaker 1: right and they're looking for stories to cover. But it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a dead time of the year. There's not

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Speaker 1: much news around. So Mattel have come out on jan twelve, going,

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Speaker 1: we're releasing this doll because I think they just wanted

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Speaker 1: earned media and this was like a brand play.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So there are two types of media. There's earned media

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Speaker 1: buy a billboard, you buy an ad, you spend millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars advertising autistic Barbie. But instead they this is

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Speaker 2: If I took a shot every time I heard the

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Speaker 3: This was like a big week for Mamma Mia.

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Speaker 2: Huge story, Yeah, huge story, Like Christmas Day for me.

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Speaker 1: talk about the control of the domestic sphere. When people

441
00:20:19,714 --> 00:20:22,553
Speaker 1: talk about the mental load of motherhood, it's always framed

442
00:20:22,594 --> 00:20:24,833
Speaker 1: in this term of like, oh, we suffer under it

443
00:20:24,874 --> 00:20:27,834
Speaker 1: and it's such a burden. But what this article does

444
00:20:27,874 --> 00:20:32,074
Speaker 1: is say, actually, it's really powerful and some women really

445
00:20:32,434 --> 00:20:34,954
Speaker 1: love the control of it. And I fully related to that.

446
00:20:35,274 --> 00:20:39,594
Speaker 1: I was like, I like being the CEO of mummy

447
00:20:39,634 --> 00:20:40,434
Speaker 1: dot com at my.

448
00:20:40,434 --> 00:20:43,474
Speaker 4: House because things go the way you want them too, yes,

449
00:20:43,714 --> 00:20:45,513
Speaker 4: and the way that you think is best for your kids.

450
00:20:45,594 --> 00:20:47,994
Speaker 3: To bring it back to old Victoria.

451
00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:50,554
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you lay it on all that pressure

452
00:20:50,594 --> 00:20:53,553
Speaker 2: on their brand as a family, and it feels like,

453
00:20:53,634 --> 00:20:57,073
Speaker 2: from what's been said, it's almost like they didn't approve

454
00:20:57,114 --> 00:20:59,074
Speaker 2: of her as a part of brand. Beckham, I'm talking

455
00:20:59,114 --> 00:21:02,634
Speaker 2: about Nicola Peltz here. She's American, she's a billionaire. They

456
00:21:02,674 --> 00:21:05,234
Speaker 2: do things in a very different way. I think that's

457
00:21:05,274 --> 00:21:06,114
Speaker 2: too cynical.

458
00:21:06,354 --> 00:21:09,994
Speaker 4: I think it's why possible that David and Victoria didn't

459
00:21:09,994 --> 00:21:11,234
Speaker 4: think that Nichola.

460
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Speaker 3: Was right for their son.

461
00:21:12,354 --> 00:21:12,594
Speaker 4: Yeah.

462
00:21:12,674 --> 00:21:14,074
Speaker 2: I definitely think that's why I did it.

463
00:21:14,154 --> 00:21:18,154
Speaker 3: That he got married quite young. Yeah, And it's.

464
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Speaker 2: Possible that they just thought she was wrong for him,

465
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Speaker 2: and I think they've exerted that opinion and not held

466
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Speaker 2: that back because to be controlling.

467
00:21:25,954 --> 00:21:29,714
Speaker 1: People regard the Beckhams as sort of on par with

468
00:21:29,794 --> 00:21:32,674
Speaker 1: the Royal Family, right, yeah in the UK, yes, So

469
00:21:32,794 --> 00:21:36,114
Speaker 1: they are the pop culture equivalent of the Royal Family,

470
00:21:36,274 --> 00:21:41,434
Speaker 1: and Brand Beckham comes first, right, Everything they do serves

471
00:21:41,474 --> 00:21:45,034
Speaker 1: Brand Beckham. And so you're saying Nicola Pelts didn't fit

472
00:21:45,074 --> 00:21:46,394
Speaker 1: Brand Beckham. What's wrong with Nikki.

473
00:21:46,674 --> 00:21:48,594
Speaker 2: I don't think anything's wrong with her, but I just

474
00:21:48,674 --> 00:21:51,634
Speaker 2: think she probably didn't fit with what they saw for

475
00:21:51,714 --> 00:21:54,874
Speaker 2: their son and what they thought was best for him.

476
00:21:54,874 --> 00:21:57,354
Speaker 2: And even the Washington Post has now weighed in on this.

477
00:21:57,514 --> 00:22:01,194
Speaker 2: Their advice columnist Carolyn Hacks, she was like, I love her,

478
00:22:01,554 --> 00:22:02,154
Speaker 2: She's great.

479
00:22:02,354 --> 00:22:03,194
Speaker 3: I didn't know about her.

480
00:22:03,234 --> 00:22:05,914
Speaker 2: So she's waited in on this and gone a lot

481
00:22:05,914 --> 00:22:08,434
Speaker 2: of what happens with family strangement, which is obviously what's

482
00:22:08,474 --> 00:22:10,994
Speaker 2: happened here. They are completely no contact now, they are

483
00:22:11,034 --> 00:22:13,554
Speaker 2: not allowed to even like each other's Instagram posts. That's

484
00:22:13,634 --> 00:22:17,154
Speaker 2: how bad this relationship has severed. And she was saying,

485
00:22:17,474 --> 00:22:19,994
Speaker 2: one option for kids in families where they're unhappy and

486
00:22:20,034 --> 00:22:22,754
Speaker 2: feel controlled a lot of the time, is that they

487
00:22:22,874 --> 00:22:25,714
Speaker 2: date their way out of the family, so they almost

488
00:22:25,794 --> 00:22:28,874
Speaker 2: latch onto someone who feels like the antithesis of what

489
00:22:28,954 --> 00:22:31,434
Speaker 2: they're dealing with. We don't know their family dynamics, We

490
00:22:31,474 --> 00:22:34,194
Speaker 2: don't know the Peltzers, but they seem like a lovely family.

491
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Speaker 3: But maybe they do it very differently. I was being

492
00:22:38,314 --> 00:22:40,114
Speaker 3: very generous, but say that they are.

493
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Speaker 2: He's looked at that and gone, this is my way out,

494
00:22:43,114 --> 00:22:46,194
Speaker 2: all attached to them, and the disapproval has been the

495
00:22:46,194 --> 00:22:48,074
Speaker 2: thing that's actually finally cut that cord.

496
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Speaker 1: Question why is and I understand that there was a

497
00:22:52,674 --> 00:22:54,754
Speaker 1: twerking or a lap dance at a wedding, and then

498
00:22:54,794 --> 00:22:56,793
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about the wedding and da

499
00:22:56,874 --> 00:22:59,074
Speaker 1: da da dah, But why is Victoria getting all the

500
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Speaker 1: heat If the Beckhams are a family and it's like

501
00:23:01,754 --> 00:23:05,034
Speaker 1: Victoria did this victory that it's the trope of the

502
00:23:05,034 --> 00:23:07,514
Speaker 1: mother in law being an evil witch against the daughter

503
00:23:07,514 --> 00:23:10,034
Speaker 1: in law. Where is David in this conversation?

504
00:23:10,114 --> 00:23:13,514
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting part. Victoria is mentioned seven times.

505
00:23:13,634 --> 00:23:14,994
Speaker 2: David is mentioned once.

506
00:23:15,354 --> 00:23:16,714
Speaker 3: Wow, all of.

507
00:23:16,674 --> 00:23:20,354
Speaker 2: The angers and is very much direct cause the power.

508
00:23:20,634 --> 00:23:22,594
Speaker 3: You know, whose boss in the Beckham household?

509
00:23:22,714 --> 00:23:25,634
Speaker 2: Victoria yes, And David is the classic trope of the

510
00:23:25,634 --> 00:23:27,994
Speaker 2: bumbling dad that's out in his garden or playing his

511
00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:31,994
Speaker 2: goal for whatever it is, yeah, and kicking them. And

512
00:23:32,074 --> 00:23:33,674
Speaker 2: maybe she's had the conversation.

513
00:23:34,074 --> 00:23:36,114
Speaker 1: He's the fun dad and she's the witch.

514
00:23:36,514 --> 00:23:39,874
Speaker 4: And all I'm saying is that the pendulum of public

515
00:23:39,914 --> 00:23:42,514
Speaker 4: opinion swung this week. Pretty much everyone had been team

516
00:23:42,594 --> 00:23:46,754
Speaker 4: Beckham up until these messages, as in David and Victoriatoria,

517
00:23:46,834 --> 00:23:49,234
Speaker 4: and then he did this post, and I feel like

518
00:23:49,314 --> 00:23:53,553
Speaker 4: public opinion changed in favor of Nicola and Brooklyn and

519
00:23:53,594 --> 00:23:54,434
Speaker 4: the Peltz family.

520
00:23:54,954 --> 00:23:57,074
Speaker 3: And I'm just here to say.

521
00:23:56,914 --> 00:24:00,874
Speaker 4: That if you asked Victoria why she did all these

522
00:24:00,914 --> 00:24:06,513
Speaker 4: seemingly evil, terrible things, her honest, genuine answer would be

523
00:24:06,514 --> 00:24:08,434
Speaker 4: because I can about my son.

524
00:24:08,594 --> 00:24:10,834
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think two things can be true. You can

525
00:24:10,914 --> 00:24:13,914
Speaker 1: love someone and you can ruin their life with your

526
00:24:13,914 --> 00:24:15,114
Speaker 1: controlling tendencies.

527
00:24:15,194 --> 00:24:17,434
Speaker 2: And a quick conversation in the office this week and

528
00:24:17,554 --> 00:24:20,594
Speaker 2: every boy mum in the office said I would love

529
00:24:20,634 --> 00:24:22,714
Speaker 2: to go up and steal that dance with him.

530
00:24:22,554 --> 00:24:25,114
Speaker 3: Because she talked about that posh.

531
00:24:24,914 --> 00:24:27,954
Speaker 2: Overshadowed their first dance together as a couple and everyone

532
00:24:27,994 --> 00:24:30,554
Speaker 2: and when yeah, I'd love to have a first dance

533
00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:32,474
Speaker 2: with my son at his wedding. I can't wait to

534
00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:35,073
Speaker 2: do that, Like this is born out of love, but

535
00:24:35,114 --> 00:24:38,833
Speaker 2: it's when control and trying to control the situation tips

536
00:24:38,874 --> 00:24:42,034
Speaker 2: over into controlling. The most interesting comment I was seeing

537
00:24:42,194 --> 00:24:44,674
Speaker 2: from people was people saying, if you've been on David

538
00:24:44,714 --> 00:24:47,114
Speaker 2: and Victoria's side up until this point, you've never had

539
00:24:47,154 --> 00:24:49,914
Speaker 2: a narcissistic, controlling family, and it shows.

540
00:24:49,994 --> 00:24:52,513
Speaker 3: I think this is so unfair. I don't know.

541
00:24:52,634 --> 00:24:56,114
Speaker 4: I just think that there is a fine line between

542
00:24:56,154 --> 00:25:00,634
Speaker 4: control and controlling, and moms do have to become the

543
00:25:00,674 --> 00:25:02,954
Speaker 4: boss of the household because someone's got to step up

544
00:25:02,954 --> 00:25:05,954
Speaker 4: and do it. And that's such a telling stat where

545
00:25:05,994 --> 00:25:08,154
Speaker 4: As David and all of this this great question.

546
00:25:08,874 --> 00:25:10,474
Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story about a working mother.

547
00:25:11,234 --> 00:25:14,794
Speaker 1: I want you to sit with this before you decide

548
00:25:14,794 --> 00:25:17,914
Speaker 1: how you feel about it. Okay, this GP in the UK,

549
00:25:18,434 --> 00:25:22,514
Speaker 1: doctor Helen Eisenhower, mother of two, who could never leave

550
00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:26,594
Speaker 1: work on time because she would always have these last

551
00:25:26,914 --> 00:25:28,754
Speaker 1: minute appointments that would get dumped on her.

552
00:25:28,874 --> 00:25:28,994
Speaker 4: Right.

553
00:25:29,074 --> 00:25:31,114
Speaker 1: You know what it's like in a GP office. It's

554
00:25:31,234 --> 00:25:33,714
Speaker 1: just walls to the wall, all day long, patient patient,

555
00:25:33,754 --> 00:25:36,793
Speaker 1: patient patient. So she struggled getting out to pick her

556
00:25:36,834 --> 00:25:39,833
Speaker 1: kids up from after school care by six o'clock. So

557
00:25:39,874 --> 00:25:44,754
Speaker 1: she got crafty, and she blocked the last appointments of

558
00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:47,674
Speaker 1: the day out so that no one could dump a

559
00:25:47,714 --> 00:25:49,434
Speaker 1: patient on her last minute.

560
00:25:49,234 --> 00:25:51,114
Speaker 4: So like in the calendar, it would look like she

561
00:25:51,154 --> 00:25:53,674
Speaker 4: had a patient, yes, correct, so that she could get

562
00:25:53,674 --> 00:25:55,034
Speaker 4: out on time to pick up her kids.

563
00:25:55,434 --> 00:25:59,034
Speaker 1: And she did it twice. One of the partners at

564
00:25:59,034 --> 00:26:03,474
Speaker 1: her clinic noticed the anomaly and dubbed on her.

565
00:26:03,514 --> 00:26:06,394
Speaker 3: Who was this person who is staring at her calendar?

566
00:26:07,514 --> 00:26:08,034
Speaker 3: What a creen?

567
00:26:08,114 --> 00:26:12,513
Speaker 1: I don't know. Here's my question. What happened next? Was

568
00:26:12,554 --> 00:26:15,754
Speaker 1: she a high fived by the other working mothers at

569
00:26:15,754 --> 00:26:18,754
Speaker 1: the clinic and gone, great job, Helen, awesome work. Wish

570
00:26:18,754 --> 00:26:22,594
Speaker 1: I'd thought of that. Was she be supported by her

571
00:26:22,634 --> 00:26:25,714
Speaker 1: manager who said, oh, Helen, you shouldn't have to do that.

572
00:26:25,874 --> 00:26:28,154
Speaker 1: Let's work on a more flexible working arrangement so that

573
00:26:28,194 --> 00:26:30,794
Speaker 1: you can pick up your kids on time. Or was

574
00:26:30,834 --> 00:26:36,714
Speaker 1: she see cross examined by a tribunal, shamed and suspended

575
00:26:36,714 --> 00:26:39,234
Speaker 1: from work for five months for misconduct.

576
00:26:39,274 --> 00:26:41,474
Speaker 2: You know what, you sound like one of those sexual

577
00:26:41,514 --> 00:26:44,354
Speaker 2: harassment training courses they make you do where the answer

578
00:26:44,514 --> 00:26:47,474
Speaker 2: is very very obvious. But you have to go through

579
00:26:47,514 --> 00:26:51,594
Speaker 2: the motions anyway. What I hope it's be, but I'm

580
00:26:51,634 --> 00:26:53,834
Speaker 2: gonna guess it was Seene.

581
00:26:53,994 --> 00:26:55,674
Speaker 1: She got pulled up on it, she had to go

582
00:26:55,714 --> 00:26:58,074
Speaker 1: in front of a tribune or suspended for five months.

583
00:26:58,114 --> 00:27:01,274
Speaker 1: And her comment what was her quote? I am thoroughly

584
00:27:01,434 --> 00:27:07,634
Speaker 1: ashamed and determined to never compromise the medical profession or myself. Again.

585
00:27:08,234 --> 00:27:13,874
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mistreating about Sorry, I know I'm putting this

586
00:27:13,994 --> 00:27:15,954
Speaker 2: in my mind in the same bucket as when you

587
00:27:15,994 --> 00:27:18,274
Speaker 2: like do washing when you work from home, or like

588
00:27:18,554 --> 00:27:20,674
Speaker 2: if you had your camera off during an all staff

589
00:27:20,754 --> 00:27:23,474
Speaker 2: meeting and were, like, you know, tidying the hat, Like,

590
00:27:23,554 --> 00:27:25,914
Speaker 2: is that not the same thing? You're kind of bending

591
00:27:25,954 --> 00:27:28,834
Speaker 2: the rule a little, but you're working on the basis

592
00:27:28,874 --> 00:27:31,234
Speaker 2: that you get your job done, you do the thing

593
00:27:31,274 --> 00:27:33,714
Speaker 2: you need to do, you do no harm as a doctor,

594
00:27:33,834 --> 00:27:34,994
Speaker 2: and you move on Like.

595
00:27:35,234 --> 00:27:39,074
Speaker 4: No, it's also really hard to get to these after

596
00:27:39,154 --> 00:27:42,634
Speaker 4: school things at exactly the right time. Yeah, And one

597
00:27:42,674 --> 00:27:45,594
Speaker 4: thing that I think we can be grateful for with

598
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:48,834
Speaker 4: COVID is that a lot of people now have the

599
00:27:48,874 --> 00:27:52,714
Speaker 4: opportunity to work from home who didn't before. But for

600
00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:55,994
Speaker 4: those who continue to have to go into an office

601
00:27:56,034 --> 00:27:58,834
Speaker 4: like this, poor GP. I can see why she had

602
00:27:58,874 --> 00:27:59,714
Speaker 4: to do something like that.

603
00:27:59,914 --> 00:28:02,314
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was so. I just I could

604
00:28:02,354 --> 00:28:04,314
Speaker 1: not believe this story and the comments that she made

605
00:28:04,314 --> 00:28:07,874
Speaker 1: in this tribunal. I was under extreme pressure and stress

606
00:28:07,994 --> 00:28:10,474
Speaker 1: at the time. That's why I had to do something.

607
00:28:10,554 --> 00:28:12,314
Speaker 1: You know what's going to add pressure and stress to

608
00:28:12,354 --> 00:28:15,434
Speaker 1: her life, going to a tribunal to try and save

609
00:28:15,514 --> 00:28:15,954
Speaker 1: her job.

610
00:28:16,994 --> 00:28:19,234
Speaker 3: Poor Helen. I'm not so bad for her.

611
00:28:19,754 --> 00:28:23,394
Speaker 1: It's time mums to tell each other to pitch to

612
00:28:23,434 --> 00:28:25,354
Speaker 1: each other the things that we've discovered, the things we've

613
00:28:25,354 --> 00:28:27,994
Speaker 1: watched and seen and loved and want to tell each

614
00:28:27,994 --> 00:28:31,033
Speaker 1: other about and tell the listeners about, so that you

615
00:28:31,154 --> 00:28:34,354
Speaker 1: too can find our hacks for life and make your

616
00:28:34,354 --> 00:28:37,553
Speaker 1: weeks better. Stacy, I'm sorry.

617
00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:41,994
Speaker 2: I'm really not okay. I had the best time over

618
00:28:41,994 --> 00:28:46,634
Speaker 2: the Christmas break because I became fair girl level obsessed

619
00:28:46,714 --> 00:28:49,194
Speaker 2: with a show, and so did half of the world,

620
00:28:49,354 --> 00:28:51,514
Speaker 2: clearly not you two, because you looked at me very

621
00:28:51,554 --> 00:28:53,914
Speaker 2: blankly when I told you what I was going to recommend. Today,

622
00:28:54,594 --> 00:28:58,634
Speaker 2: I have become like a cult member, going door to

623
00:28:58,674 --> 00:29:01,674
Speaker 2: door trying to recruit people to this show. That is

624
00:29:01,714 --> 00:29:05,194
Speaker 2: how obsessed I've become the show is heeded rivalry.

625
00:29:05,354 --> 00:29:08,234
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah it is. You explain this to it.

626
00:29:08,354 --> 00:29:11,354
Speaker 1: I has the Thermo mix of TV shows. Everyone's like,

627
00:29:11,394 --> 00:29:13,474
Speaker 1: you gotta watch it, you gotta watch it. I'm like,

628
00:29:13,834 --> 00:29:15,634
Speaker 1: what MLM, Are you on a pyramid scheme?

629
00:29:15,674 --> 00:29:18,154
Speaker 2: But I am like an MLM. That's what my friend,

630
00:29:18,194 --> 00:29:19,874
Speaker 2: my best friend was like, are.

631
00:29:19,714 --> 00:29:23,194
Speaker 3: They paying you? Why won't you shut up about this show?

632
00:29:23,474 --> 00:29:25,714
Speaker 2: Because I was determined to get as many people to

633
00:29:25,834 --> 00:29:28,274
Speaker 2: watch this as possible. It's a show, so I'll set

634
00:29:28,314 --> 00:29:31,674
Speaker 2: up the premise. It is group chats. Your mum group

635
00:29:31,754 --> 00:29:34,034
Speaker 2: chats are full. Group chats are exploding. My mum group

636
00:29:34,074 --> 00:29:35,434
Speaker 2: chats aren't explaining.

637
00:29:35,074 --> 00:29:36,354
Speaker 3: This is all anyone's talking about.

638
00:29:36,394 --> 00:29:40,114
Speaker 2: All I get is memes edits things about the stars

639
00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:42,634
Speaker 2: of the show. That is my entire algorithm. I have

640
00:29:42,714 --> 00:29:45,234
Speaker 2: to actively search for other things. This is how I

641
00:29:45,274 --> 00:29:48,034
Speaker 2: missed the Taylor messages this week, Like I just it

642
00:29:48,194 --> 00:29:50,834
Speaker 2: wasn't even in my ether because all I get is

643
00:29:51,034 --> 00:29:52,634
Speaker 2: edits of these beautiful, beautiful men.

644
00:29:52,754 --> 00:29:53,554
Speaker 3: So here's the question.

645
00:29:53,674 --> 00:29:59,994
Speaker 4: Because a Canadian show about gay ice hockey players seems

646
00:30:00,034 --> 00:30:04,074
Speaker 4: like an unlikely show to dominate an Aussie mum's group

647
00:30:04,194 --> 00:30:06,074
Speaker 4: chats explain why.

648
00:30:06,194 --> 00:30:09,034
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that has been the best part of

649
00:30:09,074 --> 00:30:11,194
Speaker 2: this story and why people have loved this show so much.

650
00:30:11,234 --> 00:30:13,274
Speaker 2: It was made on a tiny budget. They had thirty

651
00:30:13,354 --> 00:30:15,794
Speaker 2: days to shoot this show and they didn't even know

652
00:30:15,834 --> 00:30:17,594
Speaker 2: if it was going to get picked up by a streamer,

653
00:30:17,714 --> 00:30:20,354
Speaker 2: so it was made, as you said in Canada, really

654
00:30:20,474 --> 00:30:20,994
Speaker 2: tiny crew.

655
00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:21,954
Speaker 3: All the stars.

656
00:30:22,034 --> 00:30:24,594
Speaker 2: It's like for the main two cast members, their first

657
00:30:24,874 --> 00:30:26,194
Speaker 2: major show that they've been in.

658
00:30:26,554 --> 00:30:30,794
Speaker 1: Is it because are you beating around the bush? Is

659
00:30:30,834 --> 00:30:32,714
Speaker 1: the answer that mom's a horning?

660
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

661
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Speaker 2: I think so listen to it.

662
00:30:34,634 --> 00:30:37,474
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like it is.

663
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Speaker 3: Okay.

664
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Speaker 2: So the premise, it's two all star hockey players. They're

665
00:30:41,754 --> 00:30:44,314
Speaker 2: like young up and coming top of their game. So

666
00:30:44,354 --> 00:30:47,514
Speaker 2: there's Illi A Rosenoff and Shane Hollander. They are on

667
00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:49,714
Speaker 2: opposing teams. They're meant to hate one another, and they

668
00:30:49,714 --> 00:30:52,794
Speaker 2: do hate one another, and they get pinned against each.

669
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Speaker 3: Other in a lot of games.

670
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Speaker 2: So the stakes are set enemy, they're enemies, and they

671
00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:59,514
Speaker 2: are the two best players in the entire NHL, which

672
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Speaker 2: I didn't even know what NHL was, but that's hockey.

673
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Speaker 2: Can you get to answering the question, No, I'm into

674
00:31:05,794 --> 00:31:09,794
Speaker 2: the stakes all right, okay, Hpace Superstars Hot. Yeah, have

675
00:31:09,874 --> 00:31:12,154
Speaker 2: all the money in the world on these contracts, right

676
00:31:12,394 --> 00:31:15,954
Speaker 2: rich Hot. They start banging.

677
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Speaker 4: And I love that you use the word banging because

678
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:21,674
Speaker 4: it always reminds me of Shaggy's song It Wasn't Me.

679
00:31:24,594 --> 00:31:28,234
Speaker 2: Their eyes meet across the park, so Shane introduces himself.

680
00:31:28,274 --> 00:31:29,314
Speaker 2: There's kind of a connection.

681
00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:31,954
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's like a spark. There's a spark. There's

682
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Speaker 3: a spark.

683
00:31:32,314 --> 00:31:33,674
Speaker 2: They're not sure what it is. They're not sure if

684
00:31:33,674 --> 00:31:34,274
Speaker 2: it's because.

685
00:31:34,034 --> 00:31:37,794
Speaker 3: They're every single romance I know. But this is where

686
00:31:37,794 --> 00:31:38,274
Speaker 3: it gets you.

687
00:31:38,914 --> 00:31:41,554
Speaker 2: Everyone's describing it as the gay hockey show, but that

688
00:31:41,594 --> 00:31:43,314
Speaker 2: would be to massively undersell it.

689
00:31:43,354 --> 00:31:44,194
Speaker 3: That's how it gets you.

690
00:31:44,274 --> 00:31:48,034
Speaker 2: Initially with the saucy scenes, it's very steamy, but then

691
00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:51,994
Speaker 2: it is just the most incredible love story where there's

692
00:31:52,034 --> 00:31:54,954
Speaker 2: no it's a queer love story, where there's no tragedy.

693
00:31:55,354 --> 00:31:57,634
Speaker 2: They have to go through hard ship, like there's obviously

694
00:31:57,674 --> 00:32:00,794
Speaker 2: obstacles to them being together, but they fall in love.

695
00:32:01,394 --> 00:32:04,514
Speaker 1: But why do we call it a gay hockey I

696
00:32:04,594 --> 00:32:06,314
Speaker 1: know and a queer love story. Just call it a

697
00:32:06,314 --> 00:32:06,794
Speaker 1: love story.

698
00:32:06,874 --> 00:32:09,114
Speaker 2: And that's what the stars of the show have said.

699
00:32:09,154 --> 00:32:10,874
Speaker 2: They've said, if these scenes are sex in the city,

700
00:32:10,914 --> 00:32:13,154
Speaker 2: it's no more graphic than sex and the city in

701
00:32:13,194 --> 00:32:14,834
Speaker 2: any in the cities are straight.

702
00:32:15,314 --> 00:32:19,474
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly mentioned that just because I think that what

703
00:32:19,594 --> 00:32:24,234
Speaker 4: is interesting about this phenomenon is that women enjoy shows

704
00:32:24,274 --> 00:32:26,474
Speaker 4: and stories about women. Yes, Like I would say that

705
00:32:26,634 --> 00:32:29,354
Speaker 4: Mum and mea as a network, is kind of predicated

706
00:32:29,354 --> 00:32:31,114
Speaker 4: on the idea that women want to hear about what

707
00:32:31,154 --> 00:32:33,794
Speaker 4: women are talking about. Yeah, yeah, I think, yes, that

708
00:32:33,914 --> 00:32:36,954
Speaker 4: is the common unpack that's who's a man in a

709
00:32:36,994 --> 00:32:37,914
Speaker 4: love story? Yeah.

710
00:32:37,954 --> 00:32:40,634
Speaker 2: So it's based on a novel by Rachel Reid, and

711
00:32:40,674 --> 00:32:42,634
Speaker 2: this was a genre that I just didn't know was

712
00:32:42,634 --> 00:32:44,994
Speaker 2: a growing genre. So they call it mm romance, so

713
00:32:45,074 --> 00:32:47,954
Speaker 2: male on male romance. But obviously the majority of the

714
00:32:47,994 --> 00:32:51,314
Speaker 2: readers are women. And that's what surprised me about this show,

715
00:32:51,474 --> 00:32:54,754
Speaker 2: having not been a consumer of that genre before, is

716
00:32:54,794 --> 00:32:57,154
Speaker 2: how hot you find it? Like you go, I really

717
00:32:57,154 --> 00:32:58,954
Speaker 2: do love this, And I think a lot of the

718
00:32:58,994 --> 00:33:01,354
Speaker 2: reason for that is you're not seeing anyone that is

719
00:33:01,554 --> 00:33:04,954
Speaker 2: like you represented in the show. It is full escapism

720
00:33:05,274 --> 00:33:08,794
Speaker 2: and you can just watch two people like Unfortunately, for me,

721
00:33:08,874 --> 00:33:11,154
Speaker 2: it did confirm that I like men because I was

722
00:33:11,234 --> 00:33:13,754
Speaker 2: like Wow, how beautiful to watch these men.

723
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Speaker 1: There's no fanoirs, just distracting you from your own fanoir.

724
00:33:16,994 --> 00:33:19,794
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not seeing yourself in one of those characters.

725
00:33:19,834 --> 00:33:24,154
Speaker 2: You're not relating to these experience pure escapists. Yes, it

726
00:33:24,234 --> 00:33:29,114
Speaker 2: is pure escapism. It is gorgeously shot considering the budget.

727
00:33:29,394 --> 00:33:31,194
Speaker 2: It's just all the things. It's just so much fun.

728
00:33:31,234 --> 00:33:33,714
Speaker 2: And the women, the peripheral women in this show, so

729
00:33:34,114 --> 00:33:36,434
Speaker 2: each of the men kind of has a woman that's

730
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Speaker 2: either a friend or a confidant. They are fucking legends too, Like,

731
00:33:40,714 --> 00:33:42,914
Speaker 2: it is just brilliant. You love everything about it.

732
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Speaker 4: You just made me think something about when you said

733
00:33:45,594 --> 00:33:48,474
Speaker 4: that there's no one to compare yourself to. I think

734
00:33:48,474 --> 00:33:52,274
Speaker 4: that's really interesting because women are always looking for ways

735
00:33:52,314 --> 00:33:55,274
Speaker 4: to assess. Okay, am I at the right life stage?

736
00:33:55,314 --> 00:33:57,274
Speaker 4: Do I look the right way at this life stage?

737
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Speaker 4: It would be disingenious to say that we're not always

738
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Speaker 4: thinking those things. And remember when nobody wants this Season

739
00:34:02,474 --> 00:34:05,194
Speaker 4: two came out another romance on TV.

740
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Speaker 3: That's what that show is. It's a romance.

741
00:34:07,594 --> 00:34:09,873
Speaker 4: And a lot of the discourse around season two was

742
00:34:09,913 --> 00:34:14,634
Speaker 4: that people were distracted by not understanding how old Kristen

743
00:34:14,674 --> 00:34:18,234
Speaker 4: Bell's character was because women in their thirties and forties

744
00:34:18,754 --> 00:34:21,074
Speaker 4: are thinking about stuff like do I want to have

745
00:34:21,114 --> 00:34:22,994
Speaker 4: a family, how many children do I want to have?

746
00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:25,554
Speaker 4: Should I settle down with this person? And so we

747
00:34:25,554 --> 00:34:29,234
Speaker 4: were constantly being taken out of the pure sweet romance

748
00:34:29,434 --> 00:34:31,754
Speaker 4: and wondering about but how old is she? I need

749
00:34:31,794 --> 00:34:33,754
Speaker 4: to understand that so I can compare myself to it.

750
00:34:33,874 --> 00:34:35,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can just kind of get swept up

751
00:34:35,834 --> 00:34:38,034
Speaker 2: in that universe and enjoy it for what it is.

752
00:34:38,634 --> 00:34:42,714
Speaker 2: You will find it hot, you will cry towards the end,

753
00:34:42,954 --> 00:34:45,913
Speaker 2: like it is just so beautiful. And on top of

754
00:34:46,074 --> 00:34:48,554
Speaker 2: all of that, there has obviously been debate in the

755
00:34:48,634 --> 00:34:51,074
Speaker 2: queer community about the show what it represents, but a

756
00:34:51,074 --> 00:34:53,393
Speaker 2: lot of the overarching sentiment has been a lot of

757
00:34:53,434 --> 00:34:55,154
Speaker 2: people coming out of being like it did change my

758
00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:57,514
Speaker 2: perception of how I would take it if my child

759
00:34:57,554 --> 00:34:59,433
Speaker 2: came out to me. And there has been a lot

760
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Speaker 2: of people messaging the stars saying this convinced me to

761
00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:04,154
Speaker 2: come out and that it would be okay to do so,

762
00:35:04,514 --> 00:35:06,474
Speaker 2: which is just like so lovely.

763
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Speaker 1: I've got some lowbrow questions. Yeah, do you see the

764
00:35:10,394 --> 00:35:11,114
Speaker 1: egg plants?

765
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Speaker 3: You don't see the eggplants.

766
00:35:13,034 --> 00:35:22,354
Speaker 2: You see lovely bottoms though, yeah, gorgeous, gorgeous, beautiful arms

767
00:35:22,714 --> 00:35:25,194
Speaker 2: and just people saying the most beautiful things to one

768
00:35:25,194 --> 00:35:28,594
Speaker 2: another and like you'll swoon, like you'll feel like, Okay,

769
00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:31,073
Speaker 2: this is ev and now the stars of the show,

770
00:35:31,114 --> 00:35:33,433
Speaker 2: the two stars of the show, went from having a

771
00:35:33,474 --> 00:35:37,994
Speaker 2: couple of hundred Instagram followers, they are on millions. These guys,

772
00:35:38,114 --> 00:35:41,034
Speaker 2: the two main stars, Connis Story Hudson Williams. This is

773
00:35:41,074 --> 00:35:42,754
Speaker 2: coming out of my head. By the way, didn't write

774
00:35:42,794 --> 00:35:45,873
Speaker 2: this down. I'm just so obsessed with you literally put

775
00:35:45,874 --> 00:35:47,714
Speaker 2: your script as Yeah. I was like, I don't want to,

776
00:35:47,914 --> 00:35:49,794
Speaker 2: I don't need it. I know this by heart. They

777
00:35:49,954 --> 00:35:52,354
Speaker 2: presented at the Golden Globes. They were on the Late

778
00:35:52,434 --> 00:35:54,834
Speaker 2: Night Show with Jimmy Fallon and Seth Myers. They went

779
00:35:54,874 --> 00:35:58,314
Speaker 2: from being absolute nobody's to the biggest stars in the world.

780
00:35:58,354 --> 00:36:01,594
Speaker 2: Like they're calling it beatle Mania widely in the in

781
00:36:01,674 --> 00:36:04,194
Speaker 2: the media, like it is that level of mysteria.

782
00:36:04,274 --> 00:36:07,473
Speaker 4: It feels important that it's Canadian because right now Erica

783
00:36:07,554 --> 00:36:08,794
Speaker 4: is doing a lot of things on.

784
00:36:08,754 --> 00:36:11,513
Speaker 3: The world stage. It could be construed as toxic masculinity,

785
00:36:12,194 --> 00:36:12,754
Speaker 3: not so much.

786
00:36:12,834 --> 00:36:16,513
Speaker 2: These men are like the antithesis of toxic masculinity. They

787
00:36:16,514 --> 00:36:19,953
Speaker 2: haven't spoken about their sexualities, but they refer to each

788
00:36:19,954 --> 00:36:22,194
Speaker 2: other as soulmates, like they just love each other so

789
00:36:22,434 --> 00:36:24,154
Speaker 2: much and they are just the sweetest boys.

790
00:36:24,234 --> 00:36:24,954
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed.

791
00:36:25,074 --> 00:36:28,393
Speaker 1: Do you need a drink of water? Maybe if he

792
00:36:28,434 --> 00:36:30,154
Speaker 1: did a Ted talk on this show?

793
00:36:30,234 --> 00:36:33,554
Speaker 2: What would you call it reheated rivalry? Because it's all

794
00:36:33,874 --> 00:36:36,274
Speaker 2: I'm doing is I can't get out of the cult.

795
00:36:36,274 --> 00:36:39,234
Speaker 2: I'm just rewatching it again and again and again, watching

796
00:36:39,274 --> 00:36:41,034
Speaker 2: fan edits, reading the book.

797
00:36:41,314 --> 00:36:43,953
Speaker 3: Yeah, obsessed. Yeah, So to do it like.

798
00:36:43,954 --> 00:36:46,834
Speaker 1: An equivalent so I can understand, like, you know, every

799
00:36:46,834 --> 00:36:48,514
Speaker 1: so and these shows come along and they're just like

800
00:36:48,674 --> 00:36:51,114
Speaker 1: a full cultural thing, Like what is it the equivalent of,

801
00:36:51,394 --> 00:36:53,594
Speaker 1: like other than Beatlemania, which is like my parents would

802
00:36:53,634 --> 00:36:54,194
Speaker 1: understand that.

803
00:36:54,474 --> 00:36:57,714
Speaker 2: I literally don't think that this is unprecedented. Yeah, And

804
00:36:57,754 --> 00:37:00,434
Speaker 2: people who are now watching People we Meet on Vacations,

805
00:37:00,434 --> 00:37:02,674
Speaker 2: which is a big Netflix film based on the Emily

806
00:37:02,794 --> 00:37:05,234
Speaker 2: Henry book, are now saying this got ruined for me

807
00:37:05,434 --> 00:37:07,034
Speaker 2: by how good Heated Rivalry was?

808
00:37:07,194 --> 00:37:09,433
Speaker 3: What about Theretty?

809
00:37:09,554 --> 00:37:11,594
Speaker 1: Is it the Dawson's Creeker Baby, It's summer.

810
00:37:11,594 --> 00:37:14,474
Speaker 4: I turned pretty level hysteria, but I'd say it's bigger,

811
00:37:14,674 --> 00:37:17,994
Speaker 4: because it's bigger. I was staying in an airbnb over

812
00:37:18,314 --> 00:37:21,714
Speaker 4: the holidays and I picked up you. Now, how like

813
00:37:21,754 --> 00:37:23,754
Speaker 4: there's often like a pile of books in like a

814
00:37:23,794 --> 00:37:26,314
Speaker 4: holiday rental, and one of the books was the Summer.

815
00:37:26,354 --> 00:37:28,514
Speaker 4: I term pretty I haven't seen a TV show. Oh

816
00:37:28,754 --> 00:37:32,393
Speaker 4: that's pretty good, captivating. That's not even my recommendation, but

817
00:37:32,434 --> 00:37:34,714
Speaker 4: I loved it. Yeah, okay, well yeah, it's kind of

818
00:37:34,754 --> 00:37:36,354
Speaker 4: like you said, for a sweet romance.

819
00:37:36,914 --> 00:37:39,474
Speaker 2: And it's six episodes, so a short like four and

820
00:37:39,514 --> 00:37:42,114
Speaker 2: a half hours probably of your time all up. It's

821
00:37:42,154 --> 00:37:44,754
Speaker 2: on HBO Max, which is annoying, but just get it

822
00:37:44,794 --> 00:37:47,114
Speaker 2: for a month, watch this and repeat, then let it

823
00:37:47,154 --> 00:37:48,274
Speaker 2: go so good.

824
00:37:48,634 --> 00:37:51,274
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I can't watch Heated Rivalry. I'm too busy

825
00:37:51,354 --> 00:37:55,913
Speaker 1: watching other balls at the Australian Open. Thisay, this is

826
00:37:55,954 --> 00:37:57,154
Speaker 1: my recommendation for this week.

827
00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:57,913
Speaker 3: PG balls.

828
00:37:57,994 --> 00:38:00,594
Speaker 1: Yep, let me set the scene. It's the Australian Open,

829
00:38:01,354 --> 00:38:03,754
Speaker 1: Blue tennis school. You guys watching it, You guys watching

830
00:38:03,754 --> 00:38:06,873
Speaker 1: the tennis. It's like the biggest sporting to send the

831
00:38:06,874 --> 00:38:08,033
Speaker 1: blo looks on our face.

832
00:38:08,274 --> 00:38:11,274
Speaker 2: I'm watching Naomi asaka a beautiful outfit.

833
00:38:11,354 --> 00:38:14,154
Speaker 1: That's all I saying, I cannot take my eyes off

834
00:38:14,154 --> 00:38:18,274
Speaker 1: the ball kids. I want my children to be ball kids.

835
00:38:18,594 --> 00:38:23,033
Speaker 1: Ball kids are disciplined, they are quiet, they are professional,

836
00:38:23,274 --> 00:38:26,914
Speaker 1: They run the court. These kids are twelve years old

837
00:38:26,954 --> 00:38:32,074
Speaker 1: to fifteen years old and they are elite. That's not

838
00:38:32,154 --> 00:38:34,714
Speaker 1: an age group, no one for its like diligence, no.

839
00:38:34,874 --> 00:38:35,154
Speaker 4: Right.

840
00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:38,034
Speaker 1: There is something about the precision of bull kids that

841
00:38:38,154 --> 00:38:39,794
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with.

842
00:38:39,994 --> 00:38:40,234
Speaker 3: Right.

843
00:38:40,754 --> 00:38:43,234
Speaker 1: And then my friend was like, oh, You've got to

844
00:38:43,234 --> 00:38:45,314
Speaker 1: watch the ball Kids documentary on Netflix.

845
00:38:45,434 --> 00:38:48,274
Speaker 3: Yes, and so that's what I'm recommending.

846
00:38:48,434 --> 00:38:50,114
Speaker 1: If you have ever watched a ball kid at the

847
00:38:50,114 --> 00:38:53,794
Speaker 1: Australian Open, watch this documentary. Just as a parent, watching

848
00:38:53,834 --> 00:38:57,314
Speaker 1: these kids go and train to be ball kids is

849
00:38:57,394 --> 00:39:01,114
Speaker 1: so amazing. So they train for six months and the

850
00:39:01,354 --> 00:39:05,154
Speaker 1: organizers are like, we have the globally the best ball

851
00:39:05,234 --> 00:39:07,393
Speaker 1: kids in the world kids.

852
00:39:07,394 --> 00:39:10,194
Speaker 2: They get rankings, right, like I saw on that trail, what.

853
00:39:10,194 --> 00:39:11,114
Speaker 3: Are they based on?

854
00:39:11,434 --> 00:39:14,473
Speaker 1: So they bring all these kids together and you know,

855
00:39:14,914 --> 00:39:17,033
Speaker 1: of all the people that apply, only one in six

856
00:39:17,114 --> 00:39:18,994
Speaker 1: kids is going to make it even to the auditions.

857
00:39:18,994 --> 00:39:21,634
Speaker 1: It's a bit like Dallas Cowboys. You know that Netflix

858
00:39:22,994 --> 00:39:25,194
Speaker 1: would have been that. It's not that, but it could

859
00:39:25,194 --> 00:39:27,873
Speaker 1: have been. I could watch four seasons.

860
00:39:27,554 --> 00:39:29,914
Speaker 3: Of but what are they ranking them on speed?

861
00:39:30,674 --> 00:39:34,234
Speaker 1: How fast their roles are, how straight their army is

862
00:39:34,274 --> 00:39:38,194
Speaker 1: when they put them. They have to anticipate what Jokovic needs.

863
00:39:38,194 --> 00:39:40,393
Speaker 1: So you know tennis players if you watch it, if

864
00:39:40,394 --> 00:39:42,234
Speaker 1: you don't watch tennis, tennis players have like a lot

865
00:39:42,234 --> 00:39:44,074
Speaker 1: of rituals that they do. They need to drink at

866
00:39:44,074 --> 00:39:45,794
Speaker 1: this point in their left hand. They need the towel

867
00:39:45,794 --> 00:39:48,194
Speaker 1: in their right hand. They needed it to do four bounces.

868
00:39:48,194 --> 00:39:50,834
Speaker 1: They need a ball that's got like a thing. And

869
00:39:50,914 --> 00:39:54,594
Speaker 1: the ball kids have to anticipate what these players who

870
00:39:54,594 --> 00:39:56,873
Speaker 1: are worth millions of dollars need it every moment. They

871
00:39:56,874 --> 00:40:00,554
Speaker 1: have to remain also unobtrusive, right, it's.

872
00:40:00,754 --> 00:40:02,913
Speaker 4: So do they study them, but like they know that

873
00:40:02,954 --> 00:40:04,993
Speaker 4: they've got a particular player and they study them.

874
00:40:05,074 --> 00:40:07,913
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they and then the ball kids get

875
00:40:07,954 --> 00:40:10,714
Speaker 1: ranked of who's the top ball kid all the way

876
00:40:10,754 --> 00:40:12,873
Speaker 1: down to like number two hundred whatever, and they get

877
00:40:12,914 --> 00:40:15,354
Speaker 1: scored on every game. So there are people watching the

878
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Speaker 1: ball kids and the Australian Open ranking them to see

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Speaker 1: who gets center court men's final.

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Speaker 3: And are they paid?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'd be so interested to know that because is that

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Speaker 2: why grown ups don't do it? Or are they just

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Speaker 2: like because they're little, the nimble, they can just like

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Speaker 2: get in there.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's why they use kids.

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Speaker 1: And the supervisors are talking about what makes a good

888
00:40:34,594 --> 00:40:36,554
Speaker 1: ball kid and it's like they have to have a presence,

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00:40:36,554 --> 00:40:38,834
Speaker 1: but not too much presence. They have to run the court.

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Speaker 1: And this woman says, these kids actually run the court

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Speaker 1: and it's amazing to see twelve year olds running like

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Speaker 1: multimillions are.

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Speaker 2: Like that Australian that's on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: So Netflix, bo kids. I can't start watching it. I

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Speaker 1: would watch one hundred episodes of it.

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Speaker 4: Well mine, it's an app and it's to do with

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00:40:56,514 --> 00:40:59,194
Speaker 4: the fact that, you know, the sonic assault that you

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Speaker 4: are treated to as a parent when your kids like

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00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:06,473
Speaker 4: are doing something electronic like this Sounds electronic is just

900
00:41:06,514 --> 00:41:09,194
Speaker 4: so horrible and the worst thing of those toys that

901
00:41:09,274 --> 00:41:11,554
Speaker 4: make all sorts of noises and sounds and they're so

902
00:41:11,794 --> 00:41:15,314
Speaker 4: loud and so grating. There's an app that I discovered

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Speaker 4: over the Christmas period. It's from Belgium, and I think

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00:41:18,274 --> 00:41:20,114
Speaker 4: that kind of says it all. The Belgians are not

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Speaker 4: inflicting a sonic assault on us. It's an app for kids.

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Speaker 4: It's twelve single player logic puzzles and it's called Playroom.

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Speaker 3: It has the most delightful.

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Speaker 4: Sonic accompaniment you have ever heard on a children's app,

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00:41:34,594 --> 00:41:38,834
Speaker 4: Like you'll hear little chirping sounds from it, but somehow

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Speaker 4: actually soothing, Like when your kids playing the little logic game,

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00:41:42,234 --> 00:41:45,594
Speaker 4: you're not bothered. In fact, you like hearing these little sounds.

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Speaker 4: It's this little oasis of calm that you can download

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Speaker 4: and then they'll play these logic games, so they're kind

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Speaker 4: of getting into like a maths sort of state of mind.

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Speaker 4: You can get a free trial of it for a

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks, and then there is a subscription fee

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Speaker 4: each month, and for the moment, I'm going to pay

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Speaker 4: for it because we did a lot of travel over

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Speaker 4: the holidays.

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Speaker 3: It's one way to hand your phone to.

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Speaker 4: Your kid where you feel like, ay, they're doing something

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00:42:10,874 --> 00:42:15,354
Speaker 4: vaguely educational, but b you're incredibly soothed. Oh here's the

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Speaker 4: other thing that's key. You know, if your kid's playing

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00:42:17,834 --> 00:42:21,274
Speaker 4: a game or watching some nonsense on Netflix, they end

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00:42:21,354 --> 00:42:23,513
Speaker 4: up feeling really hyped up afterwards, so when you take

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00:42:23,514 --> 00:42:25,594
Speaker 4: it away from them, they scream. There's no screaming with

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Speaker 4: this because they feel kind of like calm and accomplished.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's.

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Speaker 1: All we have time for this week.

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Speaker 3: Look, I feeled a lot today. There was so much

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Speaker 3: to get through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. If you have kids starting school this week,

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Speaker 1: good luck. Go easy on yourself. Go easy. Remember weet

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Speaker 1: bix is a fine dinner to have, and have it

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Speaker 1: at four o'clock in the afternoon if you can.

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Speaker 4: If you have kids starting school the following week, like

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Speaker 4: I do, what do we meant to do it?

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Speaker 3: We've got to go extra easy in ourselves and watch

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Speaker 3: the heeded rivalry. Yeah you do, you do.

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Speaker 1: A big thanks to our team. Junior content producer Tesakotovic Are,

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Speaker 1: senior producer Leeporges and executive producers Sashtanic and the group

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Speaker 1: EP's roots are fine. All right, Hey, we would love

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Speaker 1: you to come back next week and spend some more

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Speaker 1: time with us. So chuck us a follow and then

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Speaker 1: the episode will just drop into your fee automatically.

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Speaker 3: That seems sensible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, have a great week, See you

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Speaker 1: next time. See up.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 1: Muma me acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

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Speaker 1: which we have recorded this podcast.