Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
Speaker 1: is recorded on.
Speaker 2: And I think it boils down to the fact that
Speaker 2: I don't believe I deserve enjoyment. So if this became
Speaker 2: quite dark.
Speaker 3: Unexpectedly, Okay, this is like a therapy session. Okay, Hello,
Speaker 3: and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud what women are
Speaker 3: actually talking about On Wednesday, the sixteenth of April.
Speaker 1: I'm Holly Wainwright, and I'm m Vernon filling in for
Speaker 1: me today and I'm Clare Stephen.
Speaker 3: And on your special Big Bumper show today pre Long weekend.
Speaker 3: Just wanted some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks? You're
Speaker 3: kidding me? Yes, Welcome to poetry for our troubled times.
Speaker 3: The first disc track of the Australian election has dropped.
Speaker 3: And oh my also planted a tomato once or picked
Speaker 3: up a crochet hook for a hot second. And now
Speaker 3: you live in a greenhouse with hand knitted basket holders.
Speaker 3: Welcome to big millennial hobby energy. And why is your
Speaker 3: social media feed full of people explaining why you might
Speaker 3: be paying tens of thousands of dollars for a logo
Speaker 3: on a bag, Welcome to Chinese factory, TikTok but first
Speaker 3: and vernon one two three sides.
Speaker 1: In case you missed it, the Blue Origin all female
Speaker 1: space flight have officially launched into space and landed back
Speaker 1: on Earth within the same timeframe as on I launch
Speaker 1: into the bathroom. If I've accidentally had lactosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the crew which we have talked about before, has
Speaker 1: consisted of Lauren Sanchez, who is Jeff Bezos's fiance whose
Speaker 1: ship plane rocket they went into, Gail King, Aisha Brown,
Speaker 1: Amanda Newen, and filmmaker Carrie Anne Flynn, and Katy Perry.
Speaker 1: So during the eleven minute flight, and I tried to
Speaker 1: figure out exactly what happened in these eleven minutes. During
Speaker 1: the flight, Katy Perry released the set list of her
Speaker 1: upcoming tour.
Speaker 3: She shows an Opportunity Sister.
Speaker 1: It was like a little butterfly and she had all
Speaker 1: the song names, but the camera is a bit blurry
Speaker 1: because they're in space and none of us could read it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know at the idea of I love
Speaker 2: that she's like literally in space, the literal globe the
Speaker 2: Earth is behind her. And she's staring at her own
Speaker 2: face because she's filming like selfie mode. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that just sums up humanity.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she also sang what a wonderful world, which
Speaker 1: would have taken up two point thirty seconds of their
Speaker 1: whole eleven minute trip, and they did.
Speaker 3: An abridged version. You know how awkward it is when
Speaker 3: someone sings it you and they have to look in there,
Speaker 3: and all the other women would have had to be there,
Speaker 3: we want to look at the moon.
Speaker 1: And after that they would have had nine minutes of
Speaker 1: silence because when they landed. We also had some on
Speaker 1: the ground interviews, which I assumed would either be like
Speaker 1: NASA scientists or family members, but we got the next
Speaker 1: best thing. We got Chris Jenna and Chloe Kardashian. Chloe said,
Speaker 1: whatever you dream of is in our reach, especially in
Speaker 1: today's day and age. Big wish for the stars and
Speaker 1: one day you could maybe be amongst them.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I had that quote like on my
Speaker 2: bedroom wall when I was the Lefting years whole.
Speaker 3: I think they were all looking for like big quotes
Speaker 3: to say. They were like, oh, that's we need to
Speaker 3: google this to puffer fish can I have a quick
Speaker 3: puffer fish. You know, I said on the show last week,
Speaker 3: I would be on this in a hot minute if
Speaker 3: they have invited me, I would love to go to space.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine how meaningful it was outfits. It's the outfit.
Speaker 2: What about them is making you so upset?
Speaker 3: So do you know what people usually wear when they
Speaker 3: go into space, like male or female? Whatever? They wear overalls,
Speaker 3: like quite baggy overalls. They've got to be comfy up there.
Speaker 3: Shit happens even in eleven minutes. You don't know.
Speaker 1: I've been to space cowboy parties. I know no I
Speaker 1: know what they wear. But for this all female flight,
Speaker 1: Laurence Sanchez, who is Jeff bezos fiance, and she is
Speaker 1: a pilot, and she's a very smart woman and very
Speaker 1: accomplished woman, helped to design the space suits and they
Speaker 1: had to be sexy and slimming, Like sexy and slimming
Speaker 1: were literally the words used. All I could think of
Speaker 1: when I was watching these accomplished women climb into this thing,
Speaker 1: is if I'd have been invited on this flight and
Speaker 1: then I saw that outfit, I would have been like, well,
Speaker 1: there goes my training. All I'm doing for the next
Speaker 1: five weeks is avoiding carbs.
Speaker 3: I mean like there.
Speaker 2: Were belts and the pants.
Speaker 3: And the zip was always a bit down. It's all
Speaker 3: lakeup and hair out. If there isn't a time to
Speaker 3: put your hair in a bun, is it not when
Speaker 3: you're about to go into zero gravity?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Just this is not empowering, friends, I know I sounded
Speaker 3: a little like me, this is not empowering to have
Speaker 3: to be sexy when you're in space.
Speaker 2: I feel like this was just a Simpsons episode. The
Speaker 2: rocket looked like a dick for one in the air,
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, that's just a dick, and the top part comes off.
Speaker 2: And then you've got these women who were yelling platitudes
Speaker 2: like take up space, take up space.
Speaker 3: Face.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Holly, I got it. That wasn't me issue.
Speaker 3: Katy Perry's like, write that down.
Speaker 2: Down, write that down. She'll be writing her space album
Speaker 2: any day now. And then you've got the Kardashians on Earth.
Speaker 2: You've got them kissing the ground when they got back down.
Speaker 2: It's like you were gone for eleven minutes. It's not
Speaker 2: enough time to have missed the ground, but it.
Speaker 3: Would have been scary. Gail King was absolutely crapping herself.
Speaker 3: You could see it. Don't got to survive, babe.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to go. You didn't have to go
Speaker 2: if you were scared. But it's also Blue Origin as
Speaker 2: saying one hundred and fifty thousand dollars deposit is required
Speaker 2: to reserve a seat, and astronauts are like, we don't
Speaker 2: want to be the drama, but when we go to space,
Speaker 2: it's actually about science and knowledge and the interests of humanity.
Speaker 2: It's not about like say Instagram or like Katy Perry
Speaker 2: launching her set list.
Speaker 3: Like this isn't a bad day that we have to
Speaker 3: remember that what this is is an ad for Blue
Speaker 3: Origin because Bezos and must have been an race about
Speaker 3: this for a long time. They want to be taking
Speaker 3: us into space for our holidays in ten years.
Speaker 2: Poor Elon, he's going to be like, oh, I knew
Speaker 2: I had too much on my plate. There are women
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 3: World who are still talking to fill a rockets. You
Speaker 3: need to wait. It is supposed to be and the
Speaker 3: money was spinning on groceries. I just want to buy
Speaker 3: some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks. You can't in
Speaker 3: mind it costume.
Speaker 2: Everyone shut up because the liberal party have released a
Speaker 2: disc track and it's the greatest moment of the campaign
Speaker 2: so far. I have absolutely no notes. His perfection. Her
Speaker 2: Liberal Party dropped Leaving Labor on Monday, a one minute
Speaker 2: rap song about how Albow needs to leave because of
Speaker 2: his failed response to the cost of living crisis. So
Speaker 2: it's against this heavy beat as you've heard, and like
Speaker 2: weirring sirens, like police vibes. They call out the prices
Speaker 2: of groceries, rent, and electricity. My favorite line is I
Speaker 2: just want to buy some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: Are you're kidding me? True? Hard It's it's my favorite
Speaker 2: line because it doesn't cost you one hundred bucks, and
Speaker 2: also that issue is so complex you can't really just
Speaker 2: flame Alva. But anyway, again, no notes, it's perfection. I
Speaker 2: believe election messages and just general discourse should only be
Speaker 2: delivered via disc track, as should the budget. I think
Speaker 2: that is now how pologics should go should be now.
Speaker 2: Both parties have been trying to appeal to younger voters
Speaker 2: because millennial and jen Z voters outnumber their older counterparts
Speaker 2: at the polls. For this election, the election literally hangs
Speaker 2: on them. So this is not the first attempt to
Speaker 2: appeal to the young'ins. The Labor Party have been making
Speaker 2: means out of Chapel Rohan's Call Her Daddy interview with
Speaker 2: text like me thinking about how much stronger Medicare will
Speaker 2: be under Labor. They also have carousels of what different
Speaker 2: Sex and the City characters would say about Medicare. But
Speaker 2: there is something so bizarre about the moment where you
Speaker 2: have a disc track, And for me it's the fact
Speaker 2: that Holly, you would know this when you write a book.
Speaker 2: There's a note they give you that's NQR, not quite right.
Speaker 2: It's a great note because sometimes things are just NQR.
Speaker 2: The Liberal Party releasing this space slightly you are you are.
Speaker 2: That's the only note that that's what it is here.
Speaker 2: It's NQR and it's QR because it's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no. Do you understand that, Like the vibe isn't
Speaker 2: Drake at the moment, the vibe is quite anti Drake.
Speaker 2: One of the comments on sound cloud was imagine taking
Speaker 2: album art inspo from the dude that got called a
Speaker 2: pedo at the super Bowl, and that's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like all the rappers not quite right, not quite right, Holly,
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Like you?
Speaker 3: I adored it, completely adored it. It inspired me. I
Speaker 3: want to write a disc track about the lack of
Speaker 3: cottage cheese at the supermar It will be about how
Speaker 3: teenage boys have ruined my pairing mount and pause a life.
Speaker 3: But this is actually very smart, to be honest, Like,
Speaker 3: whatever you think about the track, this campaign has been
Speaker 3: so boring so far, and that's a good thing. Like
Speaker 3: I think that we can all look at what's been
Speaker 3: going on in America with politics and say it's probably
Speaker 3: good for politics to be really boring. But we also
Speaker 3: know that this is an attention economy. We talked about
Speaker 3: this heaps, So you just want people to be talking
Speaker 3: about you, and it hasn't been going the Liberal Party's
Speaker 3: way broadly speaking until now, well until now, because this
Speaker 3: is going to change everything. But like, you need something
Speaker 3: that will grab attention and headlines, and this is that.
Speaker 3: I've been looking at all the memes on the Labor
Speaker 3: Party and the Liberal parties TikTok and Instagram, and some
Speaker 3: of them are cringey, but some of them are quite funny.
Speaker 3: You know, they've employed a whole load of young people
Speaker 3: in inverted commas and said, will let you do what
Speaker 3: you want. In fact, when Dutton was first asked about
Speaker 3: this this track, he hadn't heard it, didn't know anything
Speaker 3: about it. He just said, I'm sure the gurus have
Speaker 3: put together a cracking ad. I think when he says guruz,
Speaker 3: he means to nineteen year old who are currently running.
Speaker 2: I said, could do whatever they wanted.
Speaker 3: And to be fair, Albo said exactly the same thing
Speaker 3: when he got stick for There was a Sabrina Carpenter
Speaker 3: meme where she famously opened her costume and it was
Speaker 3: a Medicare card. And again he was asked about that
Speaker 3: flat out of a press conference and he was like,
Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about. So those
Speaker 3: men are playing their roles as the clueless boomers very
Speaker 3: very well. The other reason why it's clever is because
Speaker 3: it is all about the eggs and cheese. That is
Speaker 3: what the electric cares about. Every single poll is saying
Speaker 3: cost of living, cost of living, including the one that
Speaker 3: Mamma mer have done. So we're just at Mamamea just
Speaker 3: publishing the results of our big politics pole and we
Speaker 3: got responses from more than a thousand women from all
Speaker 3: over the country, in different age groups, in different demographics,
Speaker 3: and cost of living. Unsurprising sixty eight percent. That's what
Speaker 3: they care about, followed by health very strongly, which is
Speaker 3: also the reason why Medicare Medicare, Medicare is everywhere you look.
Speaker 3: Climate change action is high, Mamma mea audience of forty
Speaker 3: four percent, affordability, and domestic and family violence actions. So
Speaker 3: those are the things the electric cares about. So if
Speaker 3: you're gonna write a disk track, then at least they
Speaker 3: picked the right topic. M you're the target market, what
Speaker 3: does it do for you? I'm not convinced.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, loved the beat, thought that was great and might
Speaker 1: listen to it on my run. I'm just confused on
Speaker 1: who their actual target demo is, and I have a
Speaker 1: feeling they're wasting a lot of time trying to appeal
Speaker 1: to the broader gen z. I recently saw a Instagram
Speaker 1: reel that was posted by ABC pert. They sent a
Speaker 1: few of their journalists to a massive music festival in
Speaker 1: Wa Hyperfess, and they took these laminated photos of Anthony Albanesi,
Speaker 1: Peter Dundin and a band, and they just asked these
Speaker 1: young kids and a lot of them were young kids.
Speaker 1: It's an all ages festivals. Some of them might have
Speaker 1: been under age nolse. Do you know who these men are?
Speaker 1: A lot of them did it, A lot of them
Speaker 1: had no idea who they were. And it's these because
Speaker 1: like the disk track in general is funny, but like
Speaker 1: the actual words like eggs and cheese, gen z A
Speaker 1: lot of them are still living at home.
Speaker 3: Why would I care about buying eggs and cheese. That's
Speaker 3: not my problem. A lot of that don't care.
Speaker 1: Even the memes like Chapel Rowan, Sex and the City,
Speaker 1: those are for millennial women.
Speaker 3: They're not for like young gen zs.
Speaker 1: And if you look at those tiktoks on the lay party,
Speaker 1: they're not going off. Oh no, like you have to
Speaker 1: find them and see them. I feel like they have
Speaker 1: these gen zs working for them doing the stuff, but
Speaker 1: then there's like this gen X who's like, don't do that,
Speaker 1: change that, do this, do that, And then it goes
Speaker 1: out and then I'm like, who is this for?
Speaker 2: And it probably has to go through so many political
Speaker 2: filters in order to be authorized, Like this was at
Speaker 2: the end of the authorized bright blah blah blah blah
Speaker 2: that it loses all authenticity.
Speaker 3: But the embarrassment of it works, right. We talked about
Speaker 3: this a while ago with Delulu, like we all cringe
Speaker 3: so hard when Albo said de Lulu in Parliament, but
Speaker 3: that went around the world. But this probably will too.
Speaker 2: I do think though, a big thing the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: has been talking about this election is that they don't
Speaker 2: want to fall into the same bucket as make America
Speaker 2: Great Again, all the Donald Trump stuff. It's quite clear
Speaker 2: that they have been trying not to be put in
Speaker 2: the same bucket. But this, interestingly was very reminiscent of
Speaker 2: something that happened in the US. So American conservative commentator
Speaker 2: and podcaster Ben Shapiro released a rap track in the
Speaker 2: early days of the twenty twenty four US presidential campaign,
Speaker 2: and it was this Canadian rapper and it was a
Speaker 2: song called Facts, which reached number sixteen in the charts.
Speaker 2: And a labor strategist to actually say it in response
Speaker 2: to this, for a party that doesn't want to be
Speaker 2: associated with American style politics, they're certainly going about it
Speaker 2: in the wrong way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But they don't want to be associated with Democrats
Speaker 3: style politics either, because they had Beyonce and Taylor swift. Yeah. True.
Speaker 3: To be fair, the TikTok generation are too smart for this.
Speaker 3: They can solve a true crime mystery in thirty eight seconds.
Speaker 3: They can ruin the White Lotus finale. They can figure
Speaker 3: out pretty quickly that Albow isn't setting the price of acs,
Speaker 3: and geez, we need to find a solution. We need
Speaker 3: to switch up the people.
Speaker 2: In the power.
Speaker 3: I just want to put food on the table, Okay,
Speaker 3: so I'm willing to do it. I can bring them
Speaker 3: in a moment.
Speaker 1: Millennial hobby energy, are you a victim? And Helen Peterson
Speaker 1: wrote a post for her Substack on millennial hobby energy
Speaker 1: and anytime a writer or TikToker talks about hobbies, I'm
Speaker 1: immediately in because I'm not a hobby person, but I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to be, and I've tried so so hard,
Speaker 1: and finally it was this newsletter that made me realize
Speaker 1: exactly why it's never worked out for me. She says,
Speaker 1: Millennial hobby energy is running couch to five K and
Speaker 1: then suddenly you're making plans for two marathons a year.
Speaker 1: It's falling down a quilting rabbit hole on TikTok and
Speaker 1: waking up with eight hundred dollars worth of fabric. It's
Speaker 1: big and ambitious, it's swallowing, it's barely keeping the impulse
Speaker 1: to optimize and monetize at Bay Claire Demens.
Speaker 2: I am like you. I'm not a hobby person. I
Speaker 2: don't have a hobby.
Speaker 3: You do have a hobby.
Speaker 2: What's my hobby?
Speaker 1: Okay, before you started this job, you wrote as a hobby,
Speaker 1: and then you turned it into a career, and then
Speaker 1: you've gone back to writing and now you're writing a book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. This is the issue, and it goes to
Speaker 2: exactly what Anne Helen Peterson is saying, that a hobby
Speaker 2: has to become a job and an income stream when
Speaker 2: you're a millennial. And I think that is why I
Speaker 2: don't have hobbies, because I've turned my hobby into a job,
Speaker 2: which takes away the joy of it being a hobby. Well,
Speaker 2: not necessarily, it takes away some of it, and it
Speaker 2: adds extra pressure to it, which Anne Helen Peterson says
Speaker 2: in her column that we know this. There is so
Speaker 2: much research about what happens when you turn your passion
Speaker 2: into something you're doing for work. But I think I'm
Speaker 2: also such an all or nothing person that I look
Speaker 2: at doing something like something created, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be shit at it. I'm gonna be really bad,
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna want to be good at it,
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna have to try really really, really
Speaker 2: hard and I don't have time. But I reckon what
Speaker 2: she is getting at. I think this big millennial hobby
Speaker 2: energy is female. The problem is female. I think men
Speaker 2: are good at having hobbies because their standards for themselves
Speaker 2: are not as high. So my partner can play basketball
Speaker 2: and he's in D League and he is appalling and
Speaker 2: he's fine with that. I can't.
Speaker 3: So he doesn't want to get better.
Speaker 2: Ah like maybe, but he's also fine being where he is.
Speaker 2: He watched the whole Masters. He sat and watched the Masters,
Speaker 2: and golf is a hobby for him and he knows
Speaker 2: he won't be professional, and he strives to get a
Speaker 2: little bit better, but it's just a hobby. I think
Speaker 2: my socialization as a perfectionist woman who never feels good enough,
Speaker 2: and I think it boils down to the fact that
Speaker 2: I don't believe enjoyment. So this became quite dark unexpectedly.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is like a therapy session because, like you both,
Speaker 3: I have never had a hobby in my life until
Speaker 3: the past two years. You'll know what it is. I
Speaker 3: like gardening, right, But I have never ever had a hobby.
Speaker 3: That's why it's so amazing that I now have one, right,
Speaker 3: And I cannot tell you enough how good it has
Speaker 3: been for my mental health. But I could never have
Speaker 3: had a hobby until this particular stage of my life,
Speaker 3: when I was like really really in the trenches of
Speaker 3: parenting little kids and working full on job. Every minute
Speaker 3: of every day is taken up. I didn't have any
Speaker 3: time to do that, and it's been a goal to
Speaker 3: work towards to try and carve out little portions of
Speaker 3: time to do something that wasn't highly productive. So a,
Speaker 3: you mustn't beat yourself up, particularly Euclaire, and we'll get
Speaker 3: to you in a minute. You can beat yourself for
Speaker 3: not having a hobby, as if that's another thing you've
Speaker 3: got to put on. You're like, my perfect life would
Speaker 3: include this list, because that negates the whole point, right.
Speaker 3: But the reason it has been so good for my
Speaker 3: mental health is because and we've talked about this before,
Speaker 3: but it gives me a level of rest because I'm
Speaker 3: not a lie down and rest kind of person. But
Speaker 3: it is rest. It's active rest, it's creative rest. It's
Speaker 3: really good for you to have that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm always trying to meditate, always bring the outlouders about that.
Speaker 3: And then I suddenly realized, Oh, gardening is meditation. I
Speaker 3: was walking past the river near where I live the
Speaker 3: other day and there are all these middle aged men
Speaker 3: standing there with their fishing rods. They don't look like meditators,
Speaker 3: those guys, but I realized, every one of those guys
Speaker 3: is meditating right now.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: They are just standing there with their sticks, like their
Speaker 3: little sticks out in the river, doing nothing, like just
Speaker 3: having a moment. I think it's the giving yourself permission
Speaker 3: to do something that isn't necessarily productive that makes a
Speaker 3: hobby so wonderful. What you have to do is you
Speaker 3: have to guard against. And this is what I find
Speaker 3: because although I'm not a millennial amagen X, as soon
Speaker 3: as you get into something and you learn more about it,
Speaker 3: it's limitless where you want to take it. Right, So
Speaker 3: I'm growing things, But then you start talking to people
Speaker 3: and the like, but are you using purely organic material?
Speaker 3: And you know, are you planting this, and you're planting that,
Speaker 3: and what about multi cropping and what about companion planting?
Speaker 3: And it could become your whole life really quickly, and
Speaker 3: you have to fight that urge and go, no, this
Speaker 3: is my escape. If I turn it into the thing
Speaker 3: I'm trying to escape from, it's no longer an escape.
Speaker 2: Do you think that is the fault of the internet, Like,
Speaker 2: surely a few decades ago when you had a hobby.
Speaker 2: And I actually remember growing up as a teenager, I
Speaker 2: would have hobbies and be like, I'm bad at sewing,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna sew and I don't really know what
Speaker 2: other people's sewing looks like, so I can't beat myself up.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why I can't get into hobbies, because
Speaker 1: people are too loud about their hobby. So I started
Speaker 1: coloring in. So I bought my texts, I got my
Speaker 1: adult coloring book, and I was coloring in. And then
Speaker 1: I was scrolling on TikTok and I saw a tik
Speaker 1: whose whole TikTok was about coloring in, and she had
Speaker 1: the same coloring in book as me.
Speaker 3: So I was looking at it. Her coloring in is.
Speaker 2: Way better than mine.
Speaker 3: Because you know what she does shading? What the fuck
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm just using one color per little quadrant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I'm out of the lines. It's really hard sometimes,
Speaker 3: and she's doing it so well.
Speaker 1: So then I started practicing shading with shit at it
Speaker 1: got really mad having colored in again.
Speaker 3: Friends, and yet another example of how no one understands
Speaker 3: anything anymore. Actually, that feels like the theme of this
Speaker 3: show today. Very confused. The biggest movie in the world
Speaker 3: right now and being hailed as the savior of cinema
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five, is universally regarded as terrible, and
Speaker 3: its fans are trashing cinemas, throwing popcorn and letting loose
Speaker 3: live chickens because they love it so much. If you
Speaker 3: have to take your kid to see the Minecraft movie,
Speaker 3: I have a word to the wise, because that happened
Speaker 3: in my house this weekend. Go early before the teenagers
Speaker 3: get there. If you have a teenager disassociate, have nothing
Speaker 3: to do with it, leave them to it, and go
Speaker 3: to a screening like the one that my son went to,
Speaker 3: where a stern woman stood up at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the screening and said, don't even think about it.
Speaker 2: Brent said she.
Speaker 3: Was so scary. He was like, oh and put his
Speaker 3: popcorn down.
Speaker 2: Do you think was Billy thinking about it?
Speaker 3: Oh? Of course he was. Because so we're talking about
Speaker 3: the Minecraft movie. No one thought it was going to
Speaker 3: be massive. Obviously, it's big ip. Everybody loves Minecraft. But
Speaker 3: the big wigs in Hollywood before big movies come out,
Speaker 3: they do this thing called tracking, where they test the
Speaker 3: audience and decide, oh, this is going to be a
Speaker 3: massive movie. They thought this was going to be middling.
Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, because it's aimed at jen Alpha.
Speaker 3: But its stars a gen X so Jack Black and
Speaker 3: Jason Momoa are like old dudes, right, So everyone's like
Speaker 3: that seems like a strange choice. It's got no plot whatsoever,
Speaker 3: and it cost one hundred and fifty million to make,
Speaker 3: which is terrifyingly not considered very much money. But the
Speaker 3: thing that everyone underestimated it is the kids who play
Speaker 3: Minecraft and people in their early twenties who grew up
Speaker 3: playing Minecraft are obsessed, and they have made it an
Speaker 3: incomprehensibly enormous hit. It's taken six hundred million dollars at
Speaker 3: the box office and it's been out for less than
Speaker 3: two weeks. It's going to be bigger than Barbie.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what the problem is?
Speaker 3: Cinemas are in this bind because they're delighted because they're
Speaker 3: like bombs on seats, yay, popcorn sales yay. But then
Speaker 3: the kids who are coming because it's all about TikTok
Speaker 3: and filming it. Every time a line from the trailer
Speaker 3: is shown, they all lose their shit, throw the popcorn
Speaker 3: in the air, let their live chickens loose when have
Speaker 3: a big body. So the cinemas are like yay, but
Speaker 3: they're also.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, my question is how did they get a
Speaker 2: live chicken into the theater? That is just so bizarre.
Speaker 3: But these are a large hat.
Speaker 2: They couldn't predict that it was going to be this
Speaker 2: big because ethically, you can't test children, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And it's like no, no, no, never
Speaker 2: underestimate the power of children to annoy their parents into
Speaker 2: taking them to the movies. That is the lesson.
Speaker 3: After the break. Can't afford a designer handbag, of course
Speaker 3: you can't. You can't afford ection cheese. Here is a
Speaker 3: good reason to feel great about it. One unlimited out
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Speaker 3: and a huge thank you to all our current subscribers. Look,
Speaker 3: Amelia is not here. Sorry, I love you, But tariff
Speaker 3: explanation possibly not your strong suit. I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: not It would be fine because I think we've all
Speaker 3: had enough of tariffs in the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: That's the word that we've just heard over and over again.
Speaker 3: But the problem is right now, if you pick your
Speaker 3: phone up, it's probably full of tariff related content in
Speaker 3: the form of what is being called Chinese factory TikTok,
Speaker 3: swiftly making its way onto every platform. Here's a little
Speaker 3: taste of what I'm talking about. I love what China doing.
Speaker 2: Keep on exposing these big brands.
Speaker 4: Some say, as long as there's a tag saying made
Speaker 4: in China, the bag can never be luxury. However, in fact,
Speaker 4: more than eighty percent of the luxury banks in the
Speaker 4: world are made in China.
Speaker 5: Who are the suppliers Behai Lulu Lam Some of their
Speaker 5: Yugo wears are actually from Young Long Clothing and Hauntisim
Speaker 5: Clothing and guess what full factories locating ill here and
Speaker 5: these two factories also some light clothing or kila and unarmed.
Speaker 4: The total cost will be one thousand, one hundred USD
Speaker 4: or one per kid out of factory. But why Ermis
Speaker 4: will charge you thirty eight thousand USD for one bang.
Speaker 4: That's because more the ninety percent of the prices paid
Speaker 4: for its logo.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's start with something sensible. Nothing you just heard
Speaker 3: has been independently verified or confirmed by any of the
Speaker 3: brands involved. So there's that. There's this thing called propaganda.
Speaker 3: You've probably heard of it. Some governments are really good
Speaker 3: at it. Some governments own the most powerful social media
Speaker 3: algorithm in the world. So put that in your pipe,
Speaker 3: and you know, consider it. Right, Some governments just do distracts.
Speaker 3: It's true. This is a very sophisticated level of distrack.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The reason you are suddenly being flooded with these videos though,
Speaker 3: even though you're not in America, is because the tariff
Speaker 3: that President Trump has not backed down on, because a
Speaker 3: lot of them is just gone. Okay, Okay, I was kidding.
Speaker 3: Let's just have a little time. You can all come
Speaker 3: and kiss the ring and I'll see what I decided
Speaker 3: to do. But with China, he's gone, no, it's one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty five percent for you, all of you. Now,
Speaker 3: that would make something manufactured in China something like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know, TVs, smartphones, trainers, furniture, makeup, almost all
Speaker 3: fast fashion kids, toys, almost anything that contains rubber or plastic, medicines, chemicals, glasses,
Speaker 3: contact lenses, trucks, engines, solar panels, tea. All of that
Speaker 3: now two and a half times more expensive if the
Speaker 3: tariff business kicks in properly? Right? But what's particularly sexy
Speaker 3: for a TikTok audience? So if you're the Chinese government
Speaker 3: and you've got all these factories and manufacturing is a
Speaker 3: massive part of what you do, you're like, what's the
Speaker 3: sexy thing we can push on TikTok about this to
Speaker 3: create unrest about the tariffs. Designer handbags, designer goods in general.
Speaker 3: Younger and aspirational market who are on TikTok aspire to
Speaker 3: want designer things. Broadly speaking, I know not everybody does.
Speaker 3: Some people are much too ethical for that. Sure, all
Speaker 3: of us would be high status brands. That's why I
Speaker 3: don't have any bags I'm too ethical for it. And
Speaker 3: so that is the target of the Chinese Factory TikTok
Speaker 3: videos that are impossible to escape. They are saying that
Speaker 3: fancy bag that retails in America for thirty eight thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: and Kim Kardashian has a whole wardrobe full of you
Speaker 3: could buy a direct from us for a grand those
Speaker 3: fancy leggings that are in that trendy active where boutique
Speaker 3: that cost one hundred bucks six dollars in China, Claire,
Speaker 3: have you seen Chinese factory TikTok everywhere I have?
Speaker 2: And everything I know about tariffs I know from Emelia
Speaker 2: Lester on this podcast. So to be honest, that's sorry again,
Speaker 2: but that actually makes me really smart when it comes
Speaker 2: to tariffs. But what I'm getting from these videos, and
Speaker 2: please correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm not really
Speaker 2: asking either of you two. I'm more saying out louder
Speaker 2: is correct me if I'm wrong. But I feel like
Speaker 2: this is my vibe on tariffs. Donald Trump meant it
Speaker 2: to be like I'm giving all of you guys tariffs,
Speaker 2: so we'll make things in America and people will buy
Speaker 2: the things made in America. Is China. Is China now
Speaker 2: being like jokes, why don't you just buy it directly
Speaker 2: from us? Is that what's happening here?
Speaker 3: It kind of is, but that's not really possible on
Speaker 3: a big scale. That's why this is really trolling in
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, because, yeah, there are sure going
Speaker 3: to be people watching this who are going, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's set up an agency where we go into China
Speaker 3: and buy direct Anyone who's ever started a business that
Speaker 3: manufactures anything, whether it's makeup or you know, will tell
Speaker 3: you that you will be dealing with China because China
Speaker 3: is a manufacturing superpower, right, which is good. But what
Speaker 3: Trump is kind of saying is we want to manufacture
Speaker 3: things here, so all you big brands come and build
Speaker 3: plants in America. But there's a little problem with this,
Speaker 3: and this is something to be thinking about when you're
Speaker 3: watching the Chinese Factory tiktoks, because it's true, as many
Speaker 3: of these TikTokers say that there's a lot of snobbery
Speaker 3: about things made in China. We all can acknowledge that,
Speaker 3: and some of that is very problematic and some of
Speaker 3: it is downright racist. But as one of these guys says,
Speaker 3: He's like, if a luxury fashion brand tells you it's
Speaker 3: made in Italy, you all go ooh, Italy, Royal People,
Speaker 3: Milan Fashion Week. If we tell you it's made in China,
Speaker 3: you go ooh. But the thing to bear in mind
Speaker 3: is that one of the reasons why things are cheap
Speaker 3: in China. One is the scale, no question, and the
Speaker 3: supply chains, no question. But also it's because labor is cheap,
Speaker 3: which means that workers do not get paid very much.
Speaker 3: The average wage for a factory work in China, and
Speaker 3: it varies a lot depending on where they are in
Speaker 3: the country, but is somewhere around five hundred dollars a month. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of these videos, the guy is saying he's kind
Speaker 2: of exposing the whole path by which this works, and
Speaker 2: the fact that you then send it to a luxury
Speaker 2: brand and they might put bloody logo on it.
Speaker 3: So says the logo, will send it to them, they'll
Speaker 3: put their finishes on it, put a logo on it,
Speaker 3: and that logo basically costs you thirty thousand dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He admits in the video that he's a little bit
Speaker 2: ashamed by how nobody in the factory makes money. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of like, why are you sharing this? This makes
Speaker 2: this whole thing look really, really really bad. But as
Speaker 2: a really selfish person, I'm looking at it being like,
Speaker 2: is it meanthing gonna be cheaper for me?
Speaker 3: So that this is are you thinking? M or I've
Speaker 3: always wanted a blah blah bag. Now I've got a
Speaker 3: new idea of how to get one.
Speaker 1: Well, I have a fake designer handbag that I bought
Speaker 1: years ago in Hong Kong, and it was one of
Speaker 1: those situations where you go into the shop and then
Speaker 1: they're like, come into the back room, and there's another backroom,
Speaker 1: and there's another backroom, and then I'm in five backrooms
Speaker 1: and I get this fake designer handbag. And then when
Speaker 1: I saw all of these tiktoks, I'm like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if my fake designer handbag is actually the real designer handbag.
Speaker 3: Feel that way because we run a story on Mama
Speaker 3: Miir a while ago about how Jupe designer handbags are
Speaker 3: massive and have their own status now and there are
Speaker 3: lots of sites where that you know, you buy jeeps
Speaker 3: and they're saying it feels just as good. It's all
Speaker 3: about when they say hard where I think they mean buckles,
Speaker 3: so what they like the little part? Does your fake
Speaker 3: designer handbag feel like what you imagine a real one?
Speaker 1: It feels so real to the point where I lie,
Speaker 1: I just straight up li. I tell people the trail.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. When you buy a
Speaker 2: fake designer handbag is the idea that people think it's
Speaker 2: a real Like, I don't know, I've never had anything designer,
Speaker 2: which this makes me feel really smug about that because
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you idiots.
Speaker 3: I think that's the other point of this. I think
Speaker 3: the other point of this and why it's being shared
Speaker 3: by American audience and stuff, is that if we accept
Speaker 3: that the vast majority of people might aspire to owning
Speaker 3: the kind of handbag that Kim Kardashian does, or think
Speaker 3: that it's a symbol of having made it, but could
Speaker 3: never I mean even a more basic designer handbag they
Speaker 3: cost thousands of dollars and having that kind of so
Speaker 3: if you can be like, you guys are suckers and
Speaker 3: I'm smart, then that's great.
Speaker 2: Actually, yes, my favorite kind of content is the kind
Speaker 2: of content that makes me feel better about being lazy
Speaker 2: and doing nothing, and that this has done that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not contributing to some of the worst parts of capitalism. Also,
Speaker 2: I don't have a luxury handbag.
Speaker 1: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 3: This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2: As we lead up to the long weekend, we thought
Speaker 2: we'd sneak in some recommendations to set you up because
Speaker 2: my advice to everyone this long weekend, and it's actually
Speaker 2: just advice to myself. I think we got to turn
Speaker 2: our phones off. We gotta get away from all of
Speaker 2: We've just told you how bizarre the world is. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna understand between.
Speaker 3: The Chinese and the dish tracks and the space. It's time.
Speaker 3: It's time to turn to your hobby's turn.
Speaker 2: Off and let's turn to I'm just thinking about everyone's recommendations.
Speaker 2: I think they are all fiction. I think we just
Speaker 2: turned to a fake world, a fake world. I'm going
Speaker 2: to start with my recommendation because I'm impatient. Some listeners
Speaker 2: may have heard of a brilliant show called EA. I
Speaker 2: grew up watching it.
Speaker 3: Up was a big deal. I bloody loved George Clooney.
Speaker 2: Oh there was a George Clooney. Oh gosh, it was
Speaker 2: just such a brilliant show, and it really I really
Speaker 2: thought that's what hospitals were like, and then not quite.
Speaker 2: But if you were a fan of EA, you need
Speaker 2: to watch The Pit. So it's an American medical drama
Speaker 2: TV series from the same producers and creators as EAR,
Speaker 2: starring Noah Wiley, who I didn't know was also an
Speaker 2: executive producer of EAR. I didn't know he was involved
Speaker 2: in the making of it. He loves it, I know
Speaker 2: clearly he's like, this slapped a doctor. I am. I
Speaker 2: believe he's a doctor. If he honestly attended to me
Speaker 2: in the street, I'd be like, go for it. But so,
Speaker 2: his character in the show, doctor Robbie, is dealing with
Speaker 2: his traumatic experiences during the COVID nineteen pandemic. And in
Speaker 2: this show, every episode of the season covers one hour
Speaker 2: of a single fifteen hour emergency department shift at the
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Trauma Medical Hospital, hence it been called The Pit.
Speaker 1: That is exactly why I thought it was a reality
Speaker 1: TV ycause I know, right, it looks so real.
Speaker 2: I know, right. So I started seeing a million clips
Speaker 2: of this on TikTok and I was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: Eer's back. I've to come back. A lot of the
Speaker 2: team who created Er are involved in this, but one
Speaker 2: guy isn't, and he's suing them, being like, this is
Speaker 2: just a reboot of R But people are like, it's
Speaker 2: actually no more similar to ER than it is to
Speaker 2: like Gray's Anatomy Air.
Speaker 3: Why do you think we love hospital show so much?
Speaker 3: Considering that usually our interactions with hospital come at a
Speaker 3: bad time in our lives, But we cannot get enough
Speaker 3: of watching them because.
Speaker 2: It's just a procedural, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like structure wise, it's just and also the drama, and
Speaker 2: you're also curious because every time you're in hospital you
Speaker 2: want to know the gossip. You're like, what is everyone doing?
Speaker 2: So this show is so good because it is like
Speaker 2: a more realistic version of a lot of the medical
Speaker 2: dramas we've all watched. So it's not Gray as Anatomy
Speaker 2: Vibes where someone's got a bomb in them. It's not that,
Speaker 2: it's not that. What it is is actually a bit
Speaker 2: of a commentary on the health system in the US,
Speaker 2: and it really actually goes into all the stress that
Speaker 2: doctors are under, some of the ridiculous pressures placed on
Speaker 2: them in the health system in America, where it's like
Speaker 2: there's like patient satisfaction surveys and they're like, yeah, the
Speaker 2: patients are waiting twelve hours. Of course they're not satisfied,
Speaker 2: but it's less absurdist than a lot of the medical dramas,
Speaker 2: and the pace is a bit different. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: that all I wanted in my life was another medical drama.
Speaker 2: It's so good. Everybody has to watch.
Speaker 3: It binge yes, and it's called it's called The Pit.
Speaker 3: I've had TV show too. Now, if me and Jesse
Speaker 3: were here, they might not let me recommend this, although
Speaker 3: actually I have just remember Clas Steven's here and she
Speaker 3: also thinks might recommendations as ship. We'll go for it
Speaker 3: a lot about loud as well. Have already watched this
Speaker 3: because it's been on Netflix for a while, But have
Speaker 3: either of you watched Running Point on Netflix with Kate Hudson?
Speaker 3: I watched her twice.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is it a film? Is it ai?
Speaker 3: No, it's a series.
Speaker 1: It's like eight epps, I think, yeahs so, and they're
Speaker 1: renewed for season two.
Speaker 3: Yep. So it is a TV show that is about
Speaker 3: a woman who somehow finds herself in charge of the
Speaker 3: La Lakers, and they're not called the La Lakers, of course.
Speaker 3: It's based on the life of a real woman who
Speaker 3: suddenly found herself in charge of the La Lakers, called Genie.
Speaker 2: This is the one totally accused you of being a
Speaker 2: rip off of Ted Lasso. Yes, that's why you love it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not Ted Lasso, though, it's not different as
Speaker 3: good as Ted, Like, I know, I'm recommending it here,
Speaker 3: but it's a different vibe, but same concept. Fish out
Speaker 3: of Water, sports coach, sure, right, it's also boss lady vibes,
Speaker 3: right because Kate husband, she's not the coach, she's the
Speaker 3: boss because one of her brothers is a drug addict
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. So there's all that. It's a
Speaker 3: bit of succession as well.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: Mars because you're like.
Speaker 3: Is it like this good show? No?
Speaker 2: Is it like this good show? No? Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm recommending it. So Mindy Kayling wrote, direct,
Speaker 3: created this ten produced. Yeah, and she's a funny woman. Right,
Speaker 3: it's a comedy. But the reason why I'm a little
Speaker 3: bit embarrassed about it being my reco is we talked
Speaker 3: a little while ago on the show about the tropes
Speaker 3: you see all around you in mainstream drama, TV, books, whatever,
Speaker 3: and this ticks every box. So Kate Hudson is a
Speaker 3: powerful business woman, but if there is a glass door,
Speaker 3: she will walk into it. If there is a swimming
Speaker 3: pool nearby, she will fall into it, but still look
Speaker 3: really good. Yeah, she has a disastrous love life, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. She can't drink a drink without
Speaker 3: spilling it down her top. You know, all of that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Lots of easy laughs. You can see
Speaker 3: what's going to happen from across the room, maybe from
Speaker 3: another suburb. You can see where the plot's going. But
Speaker 3: the reason I found myself binging it is it is
Speaker 3: the perfect show for a tune now. It just is
Speaker 3: the perfect you not show. And it made me realize
Speaker 3: that one of the reasons why we love all those tropes,
Speaker 3: like you know, hot guy comes in, takes his shirt
Speaker 3: off and you're like, oh, well, they're going to be
Speaker 3: together in like three episodes time, is because they're comforting.
Speaker 3: They're not a mistake. It's not like Mindy Kayling and
Speaker 3: all the smart people in this don't know that those
Speaker 3: things are predictable. It's that give the people what they want,
Speaker 3: give them what they want because they work, They do work,
Speaker 3: and they speak to a fundamental truth, which is that
Speaker 3: all of us feel a little bit like the boss
Speaker 3: lady who runs into a glass door. All of us
Speaker 3: will sometimes inevitably fall into a swimming pool with all
Speaker 3: our friends and all these hot men around us who
Speaker 3: played basketball. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I started watching
Speaker 3: it going like, oh, I don't and then I'd found
Speaker 3: myself itching to get back to it. I watched the
Speaker 3: whole thing, perfect long weekend watch. Loved it, loved it.
Speaker 3: It's called Running Point on Netflix. Kate Hudson.
Speaker 1: So I have two kind of recommendations. They go hand
Speaker 1: in hand there, and I'm going to make both of
Speaker 1: you probably a bit angry about my second one. But
Speaker 1: I recently read a book. It's called How to End
Speaker 1: a Love Story by Eulan Kwan. I talked about I
Speaker 1: think on our subscriber episode yesterday about my dating life.
Speaker 1: Haven't been eating that much. And this is a very
Speaker 1: very sexy novel. I've been leaning into the smart This
Speaker 1: isn't about fairies or anything. So people you have read them.
Speaker 3: All so good you have to get on it.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have to get on it anyway. So this
Speaker 1: is written by Ulan Kwan and it's an enemies to
Speaker 1: Lovers trope. I know we talk about tropes. This is
Speaker 1: a big trope. Stars Helen and Grant. She is a
Speaker 1: writer of novels, he is a writer of TV shows.
Speaker 1: They're destined to be together, except they already know each
Speaker 1: other from high school, where a tragedy has brought them together.
Speaker 3: And now it's really good. I read it in like
Speaker 3: a day.
Speaker 1: It's one of those novels that you just can't put
Speaker 1: down because it's just so sexy.
Speaker 2: Is it well written?
Speaker 3: Really well?
Speaker 2: Okay, because that's something I love when it's like great plot,
Speaker 2: feels like you're watching a rom com, but actually really
Speaker 2: beautifully real.
Speaker 1: It's really well done to the point where you picture,
Speaker 1: you know, when you picture the characters in your head
Speaker 1: and you're like, I hope it doesn't turn into a movie,
Speaker 1: because I don't want it to be someone who's not
Speaker 1: head one of those The reason why I'm recommending it
Speaker 1: is because I actually borrowed this book from a library
Speaker 1: which I've now joined for the first time in my life.
Speaker 1: So I had a library down my street and I
Speaker 1: would go into it a few times, and I didn't
Speaker 1: have that many books, so I never really paid that
Speaker 1: much attention to it because I read a lot of books.
Speaker 1: I read really fast. I probably read three to four
Speaker 1: books a month, and so I'm spending a lot of
Speaker 1: money on books. So what I found out about this
Speaker 1: library because I said, I'm so sorry buy books from authors.
Speaker 1: What I found out about this library new means because
Speaker 1: I live in the CBD, and if this is a
Speaker 1: really good reco if you also live in the CBD,
Speaker 1: or you work really close to the CBD, or in
Speaker 1: the CBD is a lot of the libraries in the
Speaker 1: city are connected to each other. So there's one in
Speaker 1: like Pot's Point, Newtown, Ultimore, Surry Hills, and now everything's online.
Speaker 1: So I have a library app that I like can
Speaker 1: borrow a book from each one of those libraries, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell me where I am in the queue, and
Speaker 1: you can send the book to the library closest to you,
Speaker 1: and I'll text you when I pick it up.
Speaker 3: So you go in, you say out, I want to
Speaker 3: borrow this book and it's out of stock. You go
Speaker 3: in the queue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's all on your phone. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: messages and then you go just pick it up and
Speaker 1: then you're off.
Speaker 3: Look, we talked about libraries and yesterday subscribe to it
Speaker 3: because Claire's writing in them a lot at the moment,
Speaker 3: and I also used to write the libraries. Libraries are amazing.
Speaker 3: If you're wondering whether or not authors like libraries, of
Speaker 3: course they do because they love books. Do authors get
Speaker 3: paid when you borrow a book from the library, Yes,
Speaker 3: they do. They don't get paid as much as if
Speaker 3: you bought that book, So we do fully support them,
Speaker 3: but every year, but it also free.
Speaker 2: My unpopular opinion is if it's somebody say, Oprah's written
Speaker 2: a book, borrow that from the library.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If Hollywayne writes written a book, we buy it from
Speaker 2: an independent bielf.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I do love a library, but I love reading,
Speaker 1: so even this book How to End a Love Story.
Speaker 1: When I really like a book I borrow from the library,
Speaker 1: I have to own it as well.
Speaker 3: I've already bought it.
Speaker 2: You're a good person.
Speaker 3: A massive thank you out loud. As you've got a
Speaker 3: special big show today because obviously it's a long we
Speaker 3: can coming up and we are not leaving you entirely.
Speaker 3: We've actually got a really exciting thing dropping on Friday.
Speaker 3: Then I'm just saying my teacher about but not tell
Speaker 3: you too much more about it. We will have a
Speaker 3: show for you on Friday and Monday, but it won't
Speaker 3: be your typical show. So this is us leaving you
Speaker 3: with all your easy stuff and your recommendations for the
Speaker 3: long weekend. We hope that if you've got time off,
Speaker 3: you enjoy it. As Claire says, and plug relax. Thank
Speaker 3: you to you two for filling in for Mea and
Speaker 3: Jesse this week.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, of course to our brilliant team for putting
Speaker 3: this together, working their asses off as they always do.
Speaker 3: And we'll be back in your ears tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Bye see ya.
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