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Okay, Hello, 0:00:36.062 --> 0:00:38.422 and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud what women are 0:00:38.462 --> 0:00:41.622 actually talking about On Wednesday, the sixteenth of April. 0:00:41.662 --> 0:00:44.542 I'm Holly Wainwright, and I'm m Vernon filling in for 0:00:44.622 --> 0:00:46.902 me today and I'm Clare Stephen. 0:00:46.942 --> 0:00:50.862 And on your special Big Bumper show today pre Long weekend. 0:00:51.542 --> 0:00:54.142 Just wanted some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks? You're 0:00:54.222 --> 0:00:57.942 kidding me? Yes, Welcome to poetry for our troubled times. 0:00:58.142 --> 0:01:01.062 The first disc track of the Australian election has dropped. 0:01:01.382 --> 0:01:05.381 And oh my also planted a tomato once or picked 0:01:05.422 --> 0:01:07.622 up a crochet hook for a hot second. And now 0:01:07.622 --> 0:01:10.342 you live in a greenhouse with hand knitted basket holders. 0:01:10.742 --> 0:01:15.142 Welcome to big millennial hobby energy. And why is your 0:01:15.182 --> 0:01:18.661 social media feed full of people explaining why you might 0:01:18.702 --> 0:01:21.381 be paying tens of thousands of dollars for a logo 0:01:21.422 --> 0:01:25.502 on a bag, Welcome to Chinese factory, TikTok but first 0:01:25.742 --> 0:01:30.021 and vernon one two three sides. 0:01:32.142 --> 0:01:35.302 In case you missed it, the Blue Origin all female 0:01:35.342 --> 0:01:39.502 space flight have officially launched into space and landed back 0:01:39.502 --> 0:01:42.342 on Earth within the same timeframe as on I launch 0:01:42.382 --> 0:01:44.542 into the bathroom. If I've accidentally had lactosts. 0:01:44.622 --> 0:01:44.941 Yeah. 0:01:46.182 --> 0:01:48.462 So the crew which we have talked about before, has 0:01:48.502 --> 0:01:52.102 consisted of Lauren Sanchez, who is Jeff Bezos's fiance whose 0:01:52.422 --> 0:01:56.462 ship plane rocket they went into, Gail King, Aisha Brown, 0:01:56.542 --> 0:02:00.662 Amanda Newen, and filmmaker Carrie Anne Flynn, and Katy Perry. 0:02:01.222 --> 0:02:04.262 So during the eleven minute flight, and I tried to 0:02:04.262 --> 0:02:06.902 figure out exactly what happened in these eleven minutes. During 0:02:06.942 --> 0:02:09.822 the flight, Katy Perry released the set list of her 0:02:09.901 --> 0:02:10.662 upcoming tour. 0:02:11.382 --> 0:02:13.262 She shows an Opportunity Sister. 0:02:13.302 --> 0:02:15.022 It was like a little butterfly and she had all 0:02:15.061 --> 0:02:17.022 the song names, but the camera is a bit blurry 0:02:17.022 --> 0:02:18.782 because they're in space and none of us could read it. 0:02:18.822 --> 0:02:20.742 So I don't know at the idea of I love 0:02:20.822 --> 0:02:24.582 that she's like literally in space, the literal globe the 0:02:24.622 --> 0:02:27.302 Earth is behind her. And she's staring at her own 0:02:27.342 --> 0:02:31.102 face because she's filming like selfie mode. I'm like, oh, 0:02:31.142 --> 0:02:32.501 that just sums up humanity. 0:02:32.542 --> 0:02:36.302 But anyway, she also sang what a wonderful world, which 0:02:36.302 --> 0:02:39.542 would have taken up two point thirty seconds of their 0:02:39.622 --> 0:02:42.422 whole eleven minute trip, and they did. 0:02:42.262 --> 0:02:44.501 An abridged version. You know how awkward it is when 0:02:44.502 --> 0:02:46.542 someone sings it you and they have to look in there, 0:02:46.662 --> 0:02:48.262 and all the other women would have had to be there, 0:02:48.422 --> 0:02:49.622 we want to look at the moon. 0:02:50.102 --> 0:02:51.702 And after that they would have had nine minutes of 0:02:51.702 --> 0:02:54.982 silence because when they landed. We also had some on 0:02:55.022 --> 0:02:57.702 the ground interviews, which I assumed would either be like 0:02:58.062 --> 0:03:01.302 NASA scientists or family members, but we got the next 0:03:01.342 --> 0:03:04.782 best thing. We got Chris Jenna and Chloe Kardashian. Chloe said, 0:03:05.022 --> 0:03:07.902 whatever you dream of is in our reach, especially in 0:03:07.942 --> 0:03:11.542 today's day and age. Big wish for the stars and 0:03:11.622 --> 0:03:13.742 one day you could maybe be amongst them. 0:03:13.902 --> 0:03:16.462 I'm pretty sure I had that quote like on my 0:03:17.142 --> 0:03:19.622 bedroom wall when I was the Lefting years whole. 0:03:20.622 --> 0:03:22.502 I think they were all looking for like big quotes 0:03:22.542 --> 0:03:23.942 to say. They were like, oh, that's we need to 0:03:23.942 --> 0:03:26.501 google this to puffer fish can I have a quick 0:03:26.542 --> 0:03:29.382 puffer fish. You know, I said on the show last week, 0:03:29.542 --> 0:03:31.102 I would be on this in a hot minute if 0:03:31.102 --> 0:03:33.102 they have invited me, I would love to go to space. 0:03:33.302 --> 0:03:38.822 I can't imagine how meaningful it was outfits. It's the outfit. 0:03:39.102 --> 0:03:41.102 What about them is making you so upset? 0:03:41.182 --> 0:03:43.382 So do you know what people usually wear when they 0:03:43.502 --> 0:03:47.182 go into space, like male or female? Whatever? They wear overalls, 0:03:47.342 --> 0:03:52.062 like quite baggy overalls. They've got to be comfy up there. 0:03:52.462 --> 0:03:54.822 Shit happens even in eleven minutes. You don't know. 0:03:54.902 --> 0:03:57.342 I've been to space cowboy parties. I know no I 0:03:57.542 --> 0:04:01.062 know what they wear. But for this all female flight, 0:04:01.422 --> 0:04:04.622 Laurence Sanchez, who is Jeff bezos fiance, and she is 0:04:04.622 --> 0:04:06.502 a pilot, and she's a very smart woman and very 0:04:06.502 --> 0:04:10.942 accomplished woman, helped to design the space suits and they 0:04:11.022 --> 0:04:14.462 had to be sexy and slimming, Like sexy and slimming 0:04:14.462 --> 0:04:17.301 were literally the words used. All I could think of 0:04:17.421 --> 0:04:20.582 when I was watching these accomplished women climb into this thing, 0:04:20.782 --> 0:04:23.622 is if I'd have been invited on this flight and 0:04:23.662 --> 0:04:26.462 then I saw that outfit, I would have been like, well, 0:04:26.582 --> 0:04:28.782 there goes my training. All I'm doing for the next 0:04:28.821 --> 0:04:30.341 five weeks is avoiding carbs. 0:04:30.421 --> 0:04:31.462 I mean like there. 0:04:31.301 --> 0:04:34.861 Were belts and the pants. 0:04:33.582 --> 0:04:35.541 And the zip was always a bit down. It's all 0:04:35.621 --> 0:04:37.861 lakeup and hair out. If there isn't a time to 0:04:37.902 --> 0:04:40.502 put your hair in a bun, is it not when 0:04:40.501 --> 0:04:42.541 you're about to go into zero gravity? 0:04:43.061 --> 0:04:43.821 Absolutely not. 0:04:44.262 --> 0:04:46.942 Just this is not empowering, friends, I know I sounded 0:04:46.941 --> 0:04:49.702 a little like me, this is not empowering to have 0:04:49.782 --> 0:04:51.702 to be sexy when you're in space. 0:04:52.101 --> 0:04:56.222 I feel like this was just a Simpsons episode. The 0:04:56.342 --> 0:04:59.382 rocket looked like a dick for one in the air, 0:04:59.421 --> 0:04:59.782 and I'm. 0:04:59.662 --> 0:05:01.382 Like, that's just a dick, and the top part comes off. 0:05:03.662 --> 0:05:07.582 And then you've got these women who were yelling platitudes 0:05:07.662 --> 0:05:10.222 like take up space, take up space. 0:05:11.902 --> 0:05:12.101 Face. 0:05:12.262 --> 0:05:15.022 Oh no, Holly, I got it. That wasn't me issue. 0:05:15.101 --> 0:05:17.622 Katy Perry's like, write that down. 0:05:16.941 --> 0:05:19.741 Down, write that down. She'll be writing her space album 0:05:19.861 --> 0:05:22.902 any day now. And then you've got the Kardashians on Earth. 0:05:23.222 --> 0:05:25.861 You've got them kissing the ground when they got back down. 0:05:25.902 --> 0:05:28.342 It's like you were gone for eleven minutes. It's not 0:05:28.421 --> 0:05:30.541 enough time to have missed the ground, but it. 0:05:30.501 --> 0:05:34.061 Would have been scary. Gail King was absolutely crapping herself. 0:05:34.061 --> 0:05:37.021 You could see it. Don't got to survive, babe. 0:05:37.061 --> 0:05:39.022 You didn't have to go. You didn't have to go 0:05:39.061 --> 0:05:42.342 if you were scared. But it's also Blue Origin as 0:05:42.342 --> 0:05:46.222 saying one hundred and fifty thousand dollars deposit is required 0:05:46.262 --> 0:05:50.462 to reserve a seat, and astronauts are like, we don't 0:05:50.541 --> 0:05:53.622 want to be the drama, but when we go to space, 0:05:53.741 --> 0:05:57.061 it's actually about science and knowledge and the interests of humanity. 0:05:57.342 --> 0:06:02.421 It's not about like say Instagram or like Katy Perry 0:06:02.462 --> 0:06:03.822 launching her set list. 0:06:03.621 --> 0:06:05.342 Like this isn't a bad day that we have to 0:06:05.342 --> 0:06:07.222 remember that what this is is an ad for Blue 0:06:07.262 --> 0:06:10.181 Origin because Bezos and must have been an race about 0:06:10.222 --> 0:06:12.421 this for a long time. They want to be taking 0:06:12.541 --> 0:06:14.661 us into space for our holidays in ten years. 0:06:14.821 --> 0:06:17.262 Poor Elon, he's going to be like, oh, I knew 0:06:17.301 --> 0:06:20.022 I had too much on my plate. There are women 0:06:20.061 --> 0:06:20.222 in the. 0:06:20.181 --> 0:06:24.462 World who are still talking to fill a rockets. You 0:06:24.582 --> 0:06:26.101 need to wait. It is supposed to be and the 0:06:26.142 --> 0:06:28.501 money was spinning on groceries. I just want to buy 0:06:28.582 --> 0:06:30.782 some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks. You can't in 0:06:30.941 --> 0:06:32.502 mind it costume. 0:06:35.301 --> 0:06:38.382 Everyone shut up because the liberal party have released a 0:06:38.421 --> 0:06:40.782 disc track and it's the greatest moment of the campaign 0:06:40.821 --> 0:06:44.582 so far. I have absolutely no notes. His perfection. Her 0:06:44.582 --> 0:06:48.342 Liberal Party dropped Leaving Labor on Monday, a one minute 0:06:48.381 --> 0:06:51.301 rap song about how Albow needs to leave because of 0:06:51.301 --> 0:06:54.461 his failed response to the cost of living crisis. So 0:06:54.501 --> 0:06:57.101 it's against this heavy beat as you've heard, and like 0:06:57.222 --> 0:07:01.701 weirring sirens, like police vibes. They call out the prices 0:07:01.702 --> 0:07:05.301 of groceries, rent, and electricity. My favorite line is I 0:07:05.342 --> 0:07:07.621 just want to buy some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks. 0:07:07.621 --> 0:07:10.182 Are you're kidding me? True? Hard It's it's my favorite 0:07:10.222 --> 0:07:12.862 line because it doesn't cost you one hundred bucks, and 0:07:12.941 --> 0:07:15.862 also that issue is so complex you can't really just 0:07:15.902 --> 0:07:20.662 flame Alva. But anyway, again, no notes, it's perfection. I 0:07:20.702 --> 0:07:24.701 believe election messages and just general discourse should only be 0:07:24.782 --> 0:07:28.302 delivered via disc track, as should the budget. I think 0:07:28.342 --> 0:07:33.182 that is now how pologics should go should be now. 0:07:33.302 --> 0:07:36.622 Both parties have been trying to appeal to younger voters 0:07:36.662 --> 0:07:40.982 because millennial and jen Z voters outnumber their older counterparts 0:07:41.022 --> 0:07:43.742 at the polls. For this election, the election literally hangs 0:07:43.821 --> 0:07:47.222 on them. So this is not the first attempt to 0:07:47.302 --> 0:07:50.862 appeal to the young'ins. The Labor Party have been making 0:07:50.941 --> 0:07:54.261 means out of Chapel Rohan's Call Her Daddy interview with 0:07:54.381 --> 0:07:57.702 text like me thinking about how much stronger Medicare will 0:07:57.742 --> 0:08:01.422 be under Labor. They also have carousels of what different 0:08:01.462 --> 0:08:04.622 Sex and the City characters would say about Medicare. But 0:08:05.062 --> 0:08:09.941 there is something so bizarre about the moment where you 0:08:10.022 --> 0:08:14.342 have a disc track, And for me it's the fact 0:08:14.381 --> 0:08:17.902 that Holly, you would know this when you write a book. 0:08:17.982 --> 0:08:21.142 There's a note they give you that's NQR, not quite right. 0:08:21.622 --> 0:08:24.862 It's a great note because sometimes things are just NQR. 0:08:25.422 --> 0:08:30.382 The Liberal Party releasing this space slightly you are you are. 0:08:30.462 --> 0:08:33.022 That's the only note that that's what it is here. 0:08:33.102 --> 0:08:35.902 It's NQR and it's QR because it's like, no, no, no, no, 0:08:35.902 --> 0:08:39.062 no no. Do you understand that, Like the vibe isn't 0:08:39.142 --> 0:08:41.942 Drake at the moment, the vibe is quite anti Drake. 0:08:42.062 --> 0:08:44.902 One of the comments on sound cloud was imagine taking 0:08:45.022 --> 0:08:47.502 album art inspo from the dude that got called a 0:08:47.542 --> 0:08:49.622 pedo at the super Bowl, and that's what it is. 0:08:49.702 --> 0:08:54.502 It's like all the rappers not quite right, not quite right, Holly, 0:08:55.022 --> 0:08:55.782 what are your thoughts? 0:08:56.222 --> 0:08:56.542 Like you? 0:08:56.662 --> 0:09:00.422 I adored it, completely adored it. It inspired me. I 0:09:00.462 --> 0:09:02.142 want to write a disc track about the lack of 0:09:02.142 --> 0:09:04.782 cottage cheese at the supermar It will be about how 0:09:04.822 --> 0:09:07.742 teenage boys have ruined my pairing mount and pause a life. 0:09:08.102 --> 0:09:11.502 But this is actually very smart, to be honest, Like, 0:09:11.542 --> 0:09:14.982 whatever you think about the track, this campaign has been 0:09:15.182 --> 0:09:17.662 so boring so far, and that's a good thing. Like 0:09:18.102 --> 0:09:19.822 I think that we can all look at what's been 0:09:19.822 --> 0:09:23.382 going on in America with politics and say it's probably 0:09:23.422 --> 0:09:26.302 good for politics to be really boring. But we also 0:09:26.422 --> 0:09:28.342 know that this is an attention economy. We talked about 0:09:28.342 --> 0:09:30.662 this heaps, So you just want people to be talking 0:09:30.702 --> 0:09:34.302 about you, and it hasn't been going the Liberal Party's 0:09:34.342 --> 0:09:37.822 way broadly speaking until now, well until now, because this 0:09:37.942 --> 0:09:41.062 is going to change everything. But like, you need something 0:09:41.062 --> 0:09:43.622 that will grab attention and headlines, and this is that. 0:09:43.782 --> 0:09:47.062 I've been looking at all the memes on the Labor 0:09:47.102 --> 0:09:49.542 Party and the Liberal parties TikTok and Instagram, and some 0:09:49.582 --> 0:09:51.662 of them are cringey, but some of them are quite funny. 0:09:51.902 --> 0:09:54.982 You know, they've employed a whole load of young people 0:09:54.982 --> 0:09:57.222 in inverted commas and said, will let you do what 0:09:57.302 --> 0:10:00.462 you want. In fact, when Dutton was first asked about 0:10:00.502 --> 0:10:02.542 this this track, he hadn't heard it, didn't know anything 0:10:02.582 --> 0:10:05.662 about it. He just said, I'm sure the gurus have 0:10:05.742 --> 0:10:08.182 put together a cracking ad. I think when he says guruz, 0:10:08.262 --> 0:10:10.742 he means to nineteen year old who are currently running. 0:10:11.502 --> 0:10:13.062 I said, could do whatever they wanted. 0:10:13.142 --> 0:10:15.662 And to be fair, Albo said exactly the same thing 0:10:15.742 --> 0:10:18.262 when he got stick for There was a Sabrina Carpenter 0:10:18.342 --> 0:10:21.902 meme where she famously opened her costume and it was 0:10:21.902 --> 0:10:25.462 a Medicare card. And again he was asked about that 0:10:25.542 --> 0:10:27.262 flat out of a press conference and he was like, 0:10:27.382 --> 0:10:29.502 I have no idea what you're talking about. So those 0:10:29.542 --> 0:10:32.542 men are playing their roles as the clueless boomers very 0:10:32.662 --> 0:10:35.462 very well. The other reason why it's clever is because 0:10:35.462 --> 0:10:37.542 it is all about the eggs and cheese. That is 0:10:37.582 --> 0:10:40.662 what the electric cares about. Every single poll is saying 0:10:40.702 --> 0:10:42.982 cost of living, cost of living, including the one that 0:10:42.982 --> 0:10:45.782 Mamma mer have done. So we're just at Mamamea just 0:10:45.822 --> 0:10:49.862 publishing the results of our big politics pole and we 0:10:50.102 --> 0:10:52.462 got responses from more than a thousand women from all 0:10:52.462 --> 0:10:54.982 over the country, in different age groups, in different demographics, 0:10:55.182 --> 0:10:57.902 and cost of living. Unsurprising sixty eight percent. That's what 0:10:57.942 --> 0:11:01.222 they care about, followed by health very strongly, which is 0:11:01.302 --> 0:11:04.422 also the reason why Medicare Medicare, Medicare is everywhere you look. 0:11:04.822 --> 0:11:08.302 Climate change action is high, Mamma mea audience of forty 0:11:08.342 --> 0:11:12.502 four percent, affordability, and domestic and family violence actions. So 0:11:12.542 --> 0:11:15.142 those are the things the electric cares about. So if 0:11:15.142 --> 0:11:18.302 you're gonna write a disk track, then at least they 0:11:18.382 --> 0:11:21.662 picked the right topic. M you're the target market, what 0:11:21.702 --> 0:11:25.542 does it do for you? I'm not convinced. 0:11:25.622 --> 0:11:28.261 Unfortunately, loved the beat, thought that was great and might 0:11:28.302 --> 0:11:34.222 listen to it on my run. I'm just confused on 0:11:35.022 --> 0:11:37.662 who their actual target demo is, and I have a 0:11:37.702 --> 0:11:40.582 feeling they're wasting a lot of time trying to appeal 0:11:40.662 --> 0:11:45.102 to the broader gen z. I recently saw a Instagram 0:11:45.182 --> 0:11:48.102 reel that was posted by ABC pert. They sent a 0:11:48.142 --> 0:11:50.382 few of their journalists to a massive music festival in 0:11:50.502 --> 0:11:55.102 Wa Hyperfess, and they took these laminated photos of Anthony Albanesi, 0:11:55.182 --> 0:11:57.942 Peter Dundin and a band, and they just asked these 0:11:57.982 --> 0:12:00.102 young kids and a lot of them were young kids. 0:12:00.302 --> 0:12:02.182 It's an all ages festivals. Some of them might have 0:12:02.222 --> 0:12:04.182 been under age nolse. Do you know who these men are? 0:12:04.342 --> 0:12:06.382 A lot of them did it, A lot of them 0:12:06.422 --> 0:12:09.982 had no idea who they were. And it's these because 0:12:10.022 --> 0:12:13.542 like the disk track in general is funny, but like 0:12:13.662 --> 0:12:16.982 the actual words like eggs and cheese, gen z A 0:12:16.982 --> 0:12:18.422 lot of them are still living at home. 0:12:20.022 --> 0:12:22.502 Why would I care about buying eggs and cheese. That's 0:12:22.542 --> 0:12:25.102 not my problem. A lot of that don't care. 0:12:25.342 --> 0:12:27.702 Even the memes like Chapel Rowan, Sex and the City, 0:12:27.902 --> 0:12:29.222 those are for millennial women. 0:12:29.462 --> 0:12:30.942 They're not for like young gen zs. 0:12:30.942 --> 0:12:33.422 And if you look at those tiktoks on the lay party, 0:12:33.462 --> 0:12:35.782 they're not going off. Oh no, like you have to 0:12:35.862 --> 0:12:38.422 find them and see them. I feel like they have 0:12:38.542 --> 0:12:41.382 these gen zs working for them doing the stuff, but 0:12:41.422 --> 0:12:43.502 then there's like this gen X who's like, don't do that, 0:12:43.662 --> 0:12:46.142 change that, do this, do that, And then it goes 0:12:46.142 --> 0:12:47.302 out and then I'm like, who is this for? 0:12:47.542 --> 0:12:50.382 And it probably has to go through so many political 0:12:50.782 --> 0:12:53.622 filters in order to be authorized, Like this was at 0:12:53.622 --> 0:12:55.822 the end of the authorized bright blah blah blah blah 0:12:55.942 --> 0:12:59.062 that it loses all authenticity. 0:12:58.582 --> 0:13:00.942 But the embarrassment of it works, right. We talked about 0:13:00.942 --> 0:13:03.542 this a while ago with Delulu, like we all cringe 0:13:03.622 --> 0:13:06.342 so hard when Albo said de Lulu in Parliament, but 0:13:06.462 --> 0:13:09.462 that went around the world. But this probably will too. 0:13:09.942 --> 0:13:13.062 I do think though, a big thing the Liberal Party 0:13:13.182 --> 0:13:15.822 has been talking about this election is that they don't 0:13:16.182 --> 0:13:21.502 want to fall into the same bucket as make America 0:13:21.542 --> 0:13:25.222 Great Again, all the Donald Trump stuff. It's quite clear 0:13:25.222 --> 0:13:28.422 that they have been trying not to be put in 0:13:28.422 --> 0:13:31.862 the same bucket. But this, interestingly was very reminiscent of 0:13:31.902 --> 0:13:35.622 something that happened in the US. So American conservative commentator 0:13:35.622 --> 0:13:39.342 and podcaster Ben Shapiro released a rap track in the 0:13:39.382 --> 0:13:42.902 early days of the twenty twenty four US presidential campaign, 0:13:43.182 --> 0:13:45.902 and it was this Canadian rapper and it was a 0:13:45.942 --> 0:13:49.422 song called Facts, which reached number sixteen in the charts. 0:13:49.862 --> 0:13:52.142 And a labor strategist to actually say it in response 0:13:52.182 --> 0:13:53.982 to this, for a party that doesn't want to be 0:13:54.022 --> 0:13:57.422 associated with American style politics, they're certainly going about it 0:13:57.462 --> 0:13:58.062 in the wrong way. 0:13:58.182 --> 0:14:00.422 Yeah, But they don't want to be associated with Democrats 0:14:00.422 --> 0:14:04.302 style politics either, because they had Beyonce and Taylor swift. Yeah. True. 0:14:04.582 --> 0:14:06.902 To be fair, the TikTok generation are too smart for this. 0:14:07.182 --> 0:14:10.462 They can solve a true crime mystery in thirty eight seconds. 0:14:10.462 --> 0:14:13.062 They can ruin the White Lotus finale. They can figure 0:14:13.062 --> 0:14:15.542 out pretty quickly that Albow isn't setting the price of acs, 0:14:15.582 --> 0:14:17.662 and geez, we need to find a solution. We need 0:14:17.662 --> 0:14:18.781 to switch up the people. 0:14:18.502 --> 0:14:18.942 In the power. 0:14:19.222 --> 0:14:20.862 I just want to put food on the table, Okay, 0:14:20.942 --> 0:14:23.342 so I'm willing to do it. I can bring them 0:14:23.422 --> 0:14:23.982 in a moment. 0:14:24.302 --> 0:14:31.982 Millennial hobby energy, are you a victim? And Helen Peterson 0:14:32.102 --> 0:14:35.542 wrote a post for her Substack on millennial hobby energy 0:14:35.742 --> 0:14:39.462 and anytime a writer or TikToker talks about hobbies, I'm 0:14:39.462 --> 0:14:42.342 immediately in because I'm not a hobby person, but I've 0:14:42.382 --> 0:14:45.022 always wanted to be, and I've tried so so hard, 0:14:45.062 --> 0:14:47.862 and finally it was this newsletter that made me realize 0:14:47.942 --> 0:14:51.182 exactly why it's never worked out for me. She says, 0:14:51.822 --> 0:14:54.822 Millennial hobby energy is running couch to five K and 0:14:54.822 --> 0:14:57.342 then suddenly you're making plans for two marathons a year. 0:14:57.902 --> 0:15:00.622 It's falling down a quilting rabbit hole on TikTok and 0:15:00.702 --> 0:15:03.662 waking up with eight hundred dollars worth of fabric. It's 0:15:03.702 --> 0:15:07.582 big and ambitious, it's swallowing, it's barely keeping the impulse 0:15:07.622 --> 0:15:11.982 to optimize and monetize at Bay Claire Demens. 0:15:12.302 --> 0:15:15.382 I am like you. I'm not a hobby person. I 0:15:15.382 --> 0:15:16.182 don't have a hobby. 0:15:16.222 --> 0:15:17.022 You do have a hobby. 0:15:17.062 --> 0:15:17.742 What's my hobby? 0:15:17.822 --> 0:15:21.222 Okay, before you started this job, you wrote as a hobby, 0:15:21.702 --> 0:15:24.182 and then you turned it into a career, and then 0:15:24.222 --> 0:15:26.742 you've gone back to writing and now you're writing a book. 0:15:26.942 --> 0:15:30.342 Yeah, okay. This is the issue, and it goes to 0:15:30.422 --> 0:15:34.222 exactly what Anne Helen Peterson is saying, that a hobby 0:15:34.382 --> 0:15:37.342 has to become a job and an income stream when 0:15:37.342 --> 0:15:39.542 you're a millennial. And I think that is why I 0:15:39.582 --> 0:15:44.982 don't have hobbies, because I've turned my hobby into a job, 0:15:45.182 --> 0:15:48.462 which takes away the joy of it being a hobby. Well, 0:15:48.582 --> 0:15:50.382 not necessarily, it takes away some of it, and it 0:15:50.422 --> 0:15:53.582 adds extra pressure to it, which Anne Helen Peterson says 0:15:53.742 --> 0:15:57.542 in her column that we know this. There is so 0:15:57.662 --> 0:16:01.462 much research about what happens when you turn your passion 0:16:01.702 --> 0:16:04.382 into something you're doing for work. But I think I'm 0:16:04.382 --> 0:16:06.742 also such an all or nothing person that I look 0:16:06.782 --> 0:16:10.902 at doing something like something created, and I'm like, I'm 0:16:10.942 --> 0:16:13.542 gonna be shit at it. I'm gonna be really bad, 0:16:13.582 --> 0:16:15.102 and then I'm gonna want to be good at it, 0:16:15.342 --> 0:16:17.302 and then I'm gonna have to try really really, really 0:16:17.342 --> 0:16:20.182 hard and I don't have time. But I reckon what 0:16:20.462 --> 0:16:24.902 she is getting at. I think this big millennial hobby 0:16:25.142 --> 0:16:29.662 energy is female. The problem is female. I think men 0:16:29.742 --> 0:16:33.022 are good at having hobbies because their standards for themselves 0:16:33.262 --> 0:16:36.862 are not as high. So my partner can play basketball 0:16:37.062 --> 0:16:39.982 and he's in D League and he is appalling and 0:16:40.022 --> 0:16:41.862 he's fine with that. I can't. 0:16:41.982 --> 0:16:43.102 So he doesn't want to get better. 0:16:43.302 --> 0:16:48.262 Ah like maybe, but he's also fine being where he is. 0:16:48.382 --> 0:16:52.022 He watched the whole Masters. He sat and watched the Masters, 0:16:52.582 --> 0:16:54.862 and golf is a hobby for him and he knows 0:16:54.862 --> 0:16:57.702 he won't be professional, and he strives to get a 0:16:57.742 --> 0:17:00.462 little bit better, but it's just a hobby. I think 0:17:00.622 --> 0:17:05.502 my socialization as a perfectionist woman who never feels good enough, 0:17:05.902 --> 0:17:08.302 and I think it boils down to the fact that 0:17:08.422 --> 0:17:14.702 I don't believe enjoyment. So this became quite dark unexpectedly. 0:17:14.742 --> 0:17:19.622 Okay, this is like a therapy session because, like you both, 0:17:19.942 --> 0:17:23.302 I have never had a hobby in my life until 0:17:23.302 --> 0:17:25.941 the past two years. You'll know what it is. I 0:17:26.022 --> 0:17:29.701 like gardening, right, But I have never ever had a hobby. 0:17:29.742 --> 0:17:32.422 That's why it's so amazing that I now have one, right, 0:17:32.982 --> 0:17:37.061 And I cannot tell you enough how good it has 0:17:37.101 --> 0:17:39.741 been for my mental health. But I could never have 0:17:39.782 --> 0:17:42.182 had a hobby until this particular stage of my life, 0:17:42.262 --> 0:17:45.502 when I was like really really in the trenches of 0:17:45.702 --> 0:17:49.262 parenting little kids and working full on job. Every minute 0:17:49.302 --> 0:17:51.581 of every day is taken up. I didn't have any 0:17:51.621 --> 0:17:54.421 time to do that, and it's been a goal to 0:17:54.502 --> 0:17:56.861 work towards to try and carve out little portions of 0:17:56.901 --> 0:18:00.341 time to do something that wasn't highly productive. So a, 0:18:00.901 --> 0:18:03.302 you mustn't beat yourself up, particularly Euclaire, and we'll get 0:18:03.302 --> 0:18:06.661 to you in a minute. You can beat yourself for 0:18:06.942 --> 0:18:09.022 not having a hobby, as if that's another thing you've 0:18:09.022 --> 0:18:11.861 got to put on. You're like, my perfect life would 0:18:11.861 --> 0:18:16.101 include this list, because that negates the whole point, right. 0:18:17.182 --> 0:18:19.341 But the reason it has been so good for my 0:18:19.422 --> 0:18:22.421 mental health is because and we've talked about this before, 0:18:22.542 --> 0:18:24.742 but it gives me a level of rest because I'm 0:18:24.742 --> 0:18:26.741 not a lie down and rest kind of person. But 0:18:26.821 --> 0:18:29.222 it is rest. It's active rest, it's creative rest. It's 0:18:29.262 --> 0:18:31.261 really good for you to have that kind of stuff. 0:18:31.502 --> 0:18:33.821 I'm always trying to meditate, always bring the outlouders about that. 0:18:33.861 --> 0:18:36.381 And then I suddenly realized, Oh, gardening is meditation. I 0:18:36.462 --> 0:18:39.022 was walking past the river near where I live the 0:18:39.061 --> 0:18:40.821 other day and there are all these middle aged men 0:18:40.861 --> 0:18:44.221 standing there with their fishing rods. They don't look like meditators, 0:18:44.262 --> 0:18:47.022 those guys, but I realized, every one of those guys 0:18:47.061 --> 0:18:48.061 is meditating right now. 0:18:48.101 --> 0:18:48.381 Ah. 0:18:48.621 --> 0:18:51.742 They are just standing there with their sticks, like their 0:18:51.742 --> 0:18:55.381 little sticks out in the river, doing nothing, like just 0:18:55.502 --> 0:18:58.782 having a moment. I think it's the giving yourself permission 0:18:58.821 --> 0:19:02.061 to do something that isn't necessarily productive that makes a 0:19:02.101 --> 0:19:05.141 hobby so wonderful. What you have to do is you 0:19:05.182 --> 0:19:07.061 have to guard against. And this is what I find 0:19:07.141 --> 0:19:10.422 because although I'm not a millennial amagen X, as soon 0:19:10.422 --> 0:19:12.422 as you get into something and you learn more about it, 0:19:12.422 --> 0:19:14.302 it's limitless where you want to take it. Right, So 0:19:14.381 --> 0:19:17.141 I'm growing things, But then you start talking to people 0:19:17.141 --> 0:19:19.341 and the like, but are you using purely organic material? 0:19:19.422 --> 0:19:21.181 And you know, are you planting this, and you're planting that, 0:19:21.262 --> 0:19:23.701 and what about multi cropping and what about companion planting? 0:19:23.702 --> 0:19:27.302 And it could become your whole life really quickly, and 0:19:27.341 --> 0:19:30.581 you have to fight that urge and go, no, this 0:19:30.782 --> 0:19:33.382 is my escape. If I turn it into the thing 0:19:33.462 --> 0:19:36.501 I'm trying to escape from, it's no longer an escape. 0:19:36.581 --> 0:19:40.101 Do you think that is the fault of the internet, Like, 0:19:40.462 --> 0:19:43.582 surely a few decades ago when you had a hobby. 0:19:44.141 --> 0:19:47.061 And I actually remember growing up as a teenager, I 0:19:47.061 --> 0:19:50.222 would have hobbies and be like, I'm bad at sewing, 0:19:50.982 --> 0:19:52.981 but I'm gonna sew and I don't really know what 0:19:53.022 --> 0:19:55.741 other people's sewing looks like, so I can't beat myself up. 0:19:55.821 --> 0:19:58.302 That's the reason why I can't get into hobbies, because 0:19:58.341 --> 0:20:02.141 people are too loud about their hobby. So I started 0:20:02.581 --> 0:20:04.701