1 00:00:10,622 --> 00:00:15,022 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,062 --> 00:00:18,062 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,102 --> 00:00:18,741 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,582 --> 00:00:22,982 Speaker 2: And I think it boils down to the fact that 5 00:00:23,102 --> 00:00:26,222 Speaker 2: I don't believe I deserve enjoyment. So if this became 6 00:00:26,302 --> 00:00:27,222 Speaker 2: quite dark. 7 00:00:28,502 --> 00:00:35,862 Speaker 3: Unexpectedly, Okay, this is like a therapy session. Okay, Hello, 8 00:00:36,062 --> 00:00:38,422 Speaker 3: and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud what women are 9 00:00:38,462 --> 00:00:41,622 Speaker 3: actually talking about On Wednesday, the sixteenth of April. 10 00:00:41,662 --> 00:00:44,542 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Wainwright, and I'm m Vernon filling in for 11 00:00:44,622 --> 00:00:46,902 Speaker 1: me today and I'm Clare Stephen. 12 00:00:46,942 --> 00:00:50,862 Speaker 3: And on your special Big Bumper show today pre Long weekend. 13 00:00:51,542 --> 00:00:54,142 Speaker 3: Just wanted some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks? You're 14 00:00:54,222 --> 00:00:57,942 Speaker 3: kidding me? Yes, Welcome to poetry for our troubled times. 15 00:00:58,142 --> 00:01:01,062 Speaker 3: The first disc track of the Australian election has dropped. 16 00:01:01,382 --> 00:01:05,381 Speaker 3: And oh my also planted a tomato once or picked 17 00:01:05,422 --> 00:01:07,622 Speaker 3: up a crochet hook for a hot second. And now 18 00:01:07,622 --> 00:01:10,342 Speaker 3: you live in a greenhouse with hand knitted basket holders. 19 00:01:10,742 --> 00:01:15,142 Speaker 3: Welcome to big millennial hobby energy. And why is your 20 00:01:15,182 --> 00:01:18,661 Speaker 3: social media feed full of people explaining why you might 21 00:01:18,702 --> 00:01:21,381 Speaker 3: be paying tens of thousands of dollars for a logo 22 00:01:21,422 --> 00:01:25,502 Speaker 3: on a bag, Welcome to Chinese factory, TikTok but first 23 00:01:25,742 --> 00:01:30,021 Speaker 3: and vernon one two three sides. 24 00:01:32,142 --> 00:01:35,302 Speaker 1: In case you missed it, the Blue Origin all female 25 00:01:35,342 --> 00:01:39,502 Speaker 1: space flight have officially launched into space and landed back 26 00:01:39,502 --> 00:01:42,342 Speaker 1: on Earth within the same timeframe as on I launch 27 00:01:42,382 --> 00:01:44,542 Speaker 1: into the bathroom. If I've accidentally had lactosts. 28 00:01:44,622 --> 00:01:44,941 Speaker 2: Yeah. 29 00:01:46,182 --> 00:01:48,462 Speaker 1: So the crew which we have talked about before, has 30 00:01:48,502 --> 00:01:52,102 Speaker 1: consisted of Lauren Sanchez, who is Jeff Bezos's fiance whose 31 00:01:52,422 --> 00:01:56,462 Speaker 1: ship plane rocket they went into, Gail King, Aisha Brown, 32 00:01:56,542 --> 00:02:00,662 Speaker 1: Amanda Newen, and filmmaker Carrie Anne Flynn, and Katy Perry. 33 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:04,262 Speaker 1: So during the eleven minute flight, and I tried to 34 00:02:04,262 --> 00:02:06,902 Speaker 1: figure out exactly what happened in these eleven minutes. During 35 00:02:06,942 --> 00:02:09,822 Speaker 1: the flight, Katy Perry released the set list of her 36 00:02:09,901 --> 00:02:10,662 Speaker 1: upcoming tour. 37 00:02:11,382 --> 00:02:13,262 Speaker 3: She shows an Opportunity Sister. 38 00:02:13,302 --> 00:02:15,022 Speaker 1: It was like a little butterfly and she had all 39 00:02:15,061 --> 00:02:17,022 Speaker 1: the song names, but the camera is a bit blurry 40 00:02:17,022 --> 00:02:18,782 Speaker 1: because they're in space and none of us could read it. 41 00:02:18,822 --> 00:02:20,742 Speaker 2: So I don't know at the idea of I love 42 00:02:20,822 --> 00:02:24,582 Speaker 2: that she's like literally in space, the literal globe the 43 00:02:24,622 --> 00:02:27,302 Speaker 2: Earth is behind her. And she's staring at her own 44 00:02:27,342 --> 00:02:31,102 Speaker 2: face because she's filming like selfie mode. I'm like, oh, 45 00:02:31,142 --> 00:02:32,501 Speaker 2: that just sums up humanity. 46 00:02:32,542 --> 00:02:36,302 Speaker 1: But anyway, she also sang what a wonderful world, which 47 00:02:36,302 --> 00:02:39,542 Speaker 1: would have taken up two point thirty seconds of their 48 00:02:39,622 --> 00:02:42,422 Speaker 1: whole eleven minute trip, and they did. 49 00:02:42,262 --> 00:02:44,501 Speaker 3: An abridged version. You know how awkward it is when 50 00:02:44,502 --> 00:02:46,542 Speaker 3: someone sings it you and they have to look in there, 51 00:02:46,662 --> 00:02:48,262 Speaker 3: and all the other women would have had to be there, 52 00:02:48,422 --> 00:02:49,622 Speaker 3: we want to look at the moon. 53 00:02:50,102 --> 00:02:51,702 Speaker 1: And after that they would have had nine minutes of 54 00:02:51,702 --> 00:02:54,982 Speaker 1: silence because when they landed. We also had some on 55 00:02:55,022 --> 00:02:57,702 Speaker 1: the ground interviews, which I assumed would either be like 56 00:02:58,062 --> 00:03:01,302 Speaker 1: NASA scientists or family members, but we got the next 57 00:03:01,342 --> 00:03:04,782 Speaker 1: best thing. We got Chris Jenna and Chloe Kardashian. Chloe said, 58 00:03:05,022 --> 00:03:07,902 Speaker 1: whatever you dream of is in our reach, especially in 59 00:03:07,942 --> 00:03:11,542 Speaker 1: today's day and age. Big wish for the stars and 60 00:03:11,622 --> 00:03:13,742 Speaker 1: one day you could maybe be amongst them. 61 00:03:13,902 --> 00:03:16,462 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I had that quote like on my 62 00:03:17,142 --> 00:03:19,622 Speaker 2: bedroom wall when I was the Lefting years whole. 63 00:03:20,622 --> 00:03:22,502 Speaker 3: I think they were all looking for like big quotes 64 00:03:22,542 --> 00:03:23,942 Speaker 3: to say. They were like, oh, that's we need to 65 00:03:23,942 --> 00:03:26,501 Speaker 3: google this to puffer fish can I have a quick 66 00:03:26,542 --> 00:03:29,382 Speaker 3: puffer fish. You know, I said on the show last week, 67 00:03:29,542 --> 00:03:31,102 Speaker 3: I would be on this in a hot minute if 68 00:03:31,102 --> 00:03:33,102 Speaker 3: they have invited me, I would love to go to space. 69 00:03:33,302 --> 00:03:38,822 Speaker 3: I can't imagine how meaningful it was outfits. It's the outfit. 70 00:03:39,102 --> 00:03:41,102 Speaker 2: What about them is making you so upset? 71 00:03:41,182 --> 00:03:43,382 Speaker 3: So do you know what people usually wear when they 72 00:03:43,502 --> 00:03:47,182 Speaker 3: go into space, like male or female? Whatever? They wear overalls, 73 00:03:47,342 --> 00:03:52,062 Speaker 3: like quite baggy overalls. They've got to be comfy up there. 74 00:03:52,462 --> 00:03:54,822 Speaker 3: Shit happens even in eleven minutes. You don't know. 75 00:03:54,902 --> 00:03:57,342 Speaker 1: I've been to space cowboy parties. I know no I 76 00:03:57,542 --> 00:04:01,062 Speaker 1: know what they wear. But for this all female flight, 77 00:04:01,422 --> 00:04:04,622 Speaker 1: Laurence Sanchez, who is Jeff bezos fiance, and she is 78 00:04:04,622 --> 00:04:06,502 Speaker 1: a pilot, and she's a very smart woman and very 79 00:04:06,502 --> 00:04:10,942 Speaker 1: accomplished woman, helped to design the space suits and they 80 00:04:11,022 --> 00:04:14,462 Speaker 1: had to be sexy and slimming, Like sexy and slimming 81 00:04:14,462 --> 00:04:17,301 Speaker 1: were literally the words used. All I could think of 82 00:04:17,421 --> 00:04:20,582 Speaker 1: when I was watching these accomplished women climb into this thing, 83 00:04:20,782 --> 00:04:23,622 Speaker 1: is if I'd have been invited on this flight and 84 00:04:23,662 --> 00:04:26,462 Speaker 1: then I saw that outfit, I would have been like, well, 85 00:04:26,582 --> 00:04:28,782 Speaker 1: there goes my training. All I'm doing for the next 86 00:04:28,821 --> 00:04:30,341 Speaker 1: five weeks is avoiding carbs. 87 00:04:30,421 --> 00:04:31,462 Speaker 3: I mean like there. 88 00:04:31,301 --> 00:04:34,861 Speaker 2: Were belts and the pants. 89 00:04:33,582 --> 00:04:35,541 Speaker 3: And the zip was always a bit down. It's all 90 00:04:35,621 --> 00:04:37,861 Speaker 3: lakeup and hair out. If there isn't a time to 91 00:04:37,902 --> 00:04:40,502 Speaker 3: put your hair in a bun, is it not when 92 00:04:40,501 --> 00:04:42,541 Speaker 3: you're about to go into zero gravity? 93 00:04:43,061 --> 00:04:43,821 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 94 00:04:44,262 --> 00:04:46,942 Speaker 3: Just this is not empowering, friends, I know I sounded 95 00:04:46,941 --> 00:04:49,702 Speaker 3: a little like me, this is not empowering to have 96 00:04:49,782 --> 00:04:51,702 Speaker 3: to be sexy when you're in space. 97 00:04:52,101 --> 00:04:56,222 Speaker 2: I feel like this was just a Simpsons episode. The 98 00:04:56,342 --> 00:04:59,382 Speaker 2: rocket looked like a dick for one in the air, 99 00:04:59,421 --> 00:04:59,782 Speaker 2: and I'm. 100 00:04:59,662 --> 00:05:01,382 Speaker 3: Like, that's just a dick, and the top part comes off. 101 00:05:03,662 --> 00:05:07,582 Speaker 2: And then you've got these women who were yelling platitudes 102 00:05:07,662 --> 00:05:10,222 Speaker 2: like take up space, take up space. 103 00:05:11,902 --> 00:05:12,101 Speaker 3: Face. 104 00:05:12,262 --> 00:05:15,022 Speaker 2: Oh no, Holly, I got it. That wasn't me issue. 105 00:05:15,101 --> 00:05:17,622 Speaker 3: Katy Perry's like, write that down. 106 00:05:16,941 --> 00:05:19,741 Speaker 2: Down, write that down. She'll be writing her space album 107 00:05:19,861 --> 00:05:22,902 Speaker 2: any day now. And then you've got the Kardashians on Earth. 108 00:05:23,222 --> 00:05:25,861 Speaker 2: You've got them kissing the ground when they got back down. 109 00:05:25,902 --> 00:05:28,342 Speaker 2: It's like you were gone for eleven minutes. It's not 110 00:05:28,421 --> 00:05:30,541 Speaker 2: enough time to have missed the ground, but it. 111 00:05:30,501 --> 00:05:34,061 Speaker 3: Would have been scary. Gail King was absolutely crapping herself. 112 00:05:34,061 --> 00:05:37,021 Speaker 3: You could see it. Don't got to survive, babe. 113 00:05:37,061 --> 00:05:39,022 Speaker 2: You didn't have to go. You didn't have to go 114 00:05:39,061 --> 00:05:42,342 Speaker 2: if you were scared. But it's also Blue Origin as 115 00:05:42,342 --> 00:05:46,222 Speaker 2: saying one hundred and fifty thousand dollars deposit is required 116 00:05:46,262 --> 00:05:50,462 Speaker 2: to reserve a seat, and astronauts are like, we don't 117 00:05:50,541 --> 00:05:53,622 Speaker 2: want to be the drama, but when we go to space, 118 00:05:53,741 --> 00:05:57,061 Speaker 2: it's actually about science and knowledge and the interests of humanity. 119 00:05:57,342 --> 00:06:02,421 Speaker 2: It's not about like say Instagram or like Katy Perry 120 00:06:02,462 --> 00:06:03,822 Speaker 2: launching her set list. 121 00:06:03,621 --> 00:06:05,342 Speaker 3: Like this isn't a bad day that we have to 122 00:06:05,342 --> 00:06:07,222 Speaker 3: remember that what this is is an ad for Blue 123 00:06:07,262 --> 00:06:10,181 Speaker 3: Origin because Bezos and must have been an race about 124 00:06:10,222 --> 00:06:12,421 Speaker 3: this for a long time. They want to be taking 125 00:06:12,541 --> 00:06:14,661 Speaker 3: us into space for our holidays in ten years. 126 00:06:14,821 --> 00:06:17,262 Speaker 2: Poor Elon, he's going to be like, oh, I knew 127 00:06:17,301 --> 00:06:20,022 Speaker 2: I had too much on my plate. There are women 128 00:06:20,061 --> 00:06:20,222 Speaker 2: in the. 129 00:06:20,181 --> 00:06:24,462 Speaker 3: World who are still talking to fill a rockets. You 130 00:06:24,582 --> 00:06:26,101 Speaker 3: need to wait. It is supposed to be and the 131 00:06:26,142 --> 00:06:28,501 Speaker 3: money was spinning on groceries. I just want to buy 132 00:06:28,582 --> 00:06:30,782 Speaker 3: some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks. You can't in 133 00:06:30,941 --> 00:06:32,502 Speaker 3: mind it costume. 134 00:06:35,301 --> 00:06:38,382 Speaker 2: Everyone shut up because the liberal party have released a 135 00:06:38,421 --> 00:06:40,782 Speaker 2: disc track and it's the greatest moment of the campaign 136 00:06:40,821 --> 00:06:44,582 Speaker 2: so far. I have absolutely no notes. His perfection. Her 137 00:06:44,582 --> 00:06:48,342 Speaker 2: Liberal Party dropped Leaving Labor on Monday, a one minute 138 00:06:48,381 --> 00:06:51,301 Speaker 2: rap song about how Albow needs to leave because of 139 00:06:51,301 --> 00:06:54,461 Speaker 2: his failed response to the cost of living crisis. So 140 00:06:54,501 --> 00:06:57,101 Speaker 2: it's against this heavy beat as you've heard, and like 141 00:06:57,222 --> 00:07:01,701 Speaker 2: weirring sirens, like police vibes. They call out the prices 142 00:07:01,702 --> 00:07:05,301 Speaker 2: of groceries, rent, and electricity. My favorite line is I 143 00:07:05,342 --> 00:07:07,621 Speaker 2: just want to buy some eggs and cheese one hundred bucks. 144 00:07:07,621 --> 00:07:10,182 Speaker 2: Are you're kidding me? True? Hard It's it's my favorite 145 00:07:10,222 --> 00:07:12,862 Speaker 2: line because it doesn't cost you one hundred bucks, and 146 00:07:12,941 --> 00:07:15,862 Speaker 2: also that issue is so complex you can't really just 147 00:07:15,902 --> 00:07:20,662 Speaker 2: flame Alva. But anyway, again, no notes, it's perfection. I 148 00:07:20,702 --> 00:07:24,701 Speaker 2: believe election messages and just general discourse should only be 149 00:07:24,782 --> 00:07:28,302 Speaker 2: delivered via disc track, as should the budget. I think 150 00:07:28,342 --> 00:07:33,182 Speaker 2: that is now how pologics should go should be now. 151 00:07:33,302 --> 00:07:36,622 Speaker 2: Both parties have been trying to appeal to younger voters 152 00:07:36,662 --> 00:07:40,982 Speaker 2: because millennial and jen Z voters outnumber their older counterparts 153 00:07:41,022 --> 00:07:43,742 Speaker 2: at the polls. For this election, the election literally hangs 154 00:07:43,821 --> 00:07:47,222 Speaker 2: on them. So this is not the first attempt to 155 00:07:47,302 --> 00:07:50,862 Speaker 2: appeal to the young'ins. The Labor Party have been making 156 00:07:50,941 --> 00:07:54,261 Speaker 2: means out of Chapel Rohan's Call Her Daddy interview with 157 00:07:54,381 --> 00:07:57,702 Speaker 2: text like me thinking about how much stronger Medicare will 158 00:07:57,742 --> 00:08:01,422 Speaker 2: be under Labor. They also have carousels of what different 159 00:08:01,462 --> 00:08:04,622 Speaker 2: Sex and the City characters would say about Medicare. But 160 00:08:05,062 --> 00:08:09,941 Speaker 2: there is something so bizarre about the moment where you 161 00:08:10,022 --> 00:08:14,342 Speaker 2: have a disc track, And for me it's the fact 162 00:08:14,381 --> 00:08:17,902 Speaker 2: that Holly, you would know this when you write a book. 163 00:08:17,982 --> 00:08:21,142 Speaker 2: There's a note they give you that's NQR, not quite right. 164 00:08:21,622 --> 00:08:24,862 Speaker 2: It's a great note because sometimes things are just NQR. 165 00:08:25,422 --> 00:08:30,382 Speaker 2: The Liberal Party releasing this space slightly you are you are. 166 00:08:30,462 --> 00:08:33,022 Speaker 2: That's the only note that that's what it is here. 167 00:08:33,102 --> 00:08:35,902 Speaker 2: It's NQR and it's QR because it's like, no, no, no, no, 168 00:08:35,902 --> 00:08:39,062 Speaker 2: no no. Do you understand that, Like the vibe isn't 169 00:08:39,142 --> 00:08:41,942 Speaker 2: Drake at the moment, the vibe is quite anti Drake. 170 00:08:42,062 --> 00:08:44,902 Speaker 2: One of the comments on sound cloud was imagine taking 171 00:08:45,022 --> 00:08:47,502 Speaker 2: album art inspo from the dude that got called a 172 00:08:47,542 --> 00:08:49,622 Speaker 2: pedo at the super Bowl, and that's what it is. 173 00:08:49,702 --> 00:08:54,502 Speaker 2: It's like all the rappers not quite right, not quite right, Holly, 174 00:08:55,022 --> 00:08:55,782 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts? 175 00:08:56,222 --> 00:08:56,542 Speaker 4: Like you? 176 00:08:56,662 --> 00:09:00,422 Speaker 3: I adored it, completely adored it. It inspired me. I 177 00:09:00,462 --> 00:09:02,142 Speaker 3: want to write a disc track about the lack of 178 00:09:02,142 --> 00:09:04,782 Speaker 3: cottage cheese at the supermar It will be about how 179 00:09:04,822 --> 00:09:07,742 Speaker 3: teenage boys have ruined my pairing mount and pause a life. 180 00:09:08,102 --> 00:09:11,502 Speaker 3: But this is actually very smart, to be honest, Like, 181 00:09:11,542 --> 00:09:14,982 Speaker 3: whatever you think about the track, this campaign has been 182 00:09:15,182 --> 00:09:17,662 Speaker 3: so boring so far, and that's a good thing. Like 183 00:09:18,102 --> 00:09:19,822 Speaker 3: I think that we can all look at what's been 184 00:09:19,822 --> 00:09:23,382 Speaker 3: going on in America with politics and say it's probably 185 00:09:23,422 --> 00:09:26,302 Speaker 3: good for politics to be really boring. But we also 186 00:09:26,422 --> 00:09:28,342 Speaker 3: know that this is an attention economy. We talked about 187 00:09:28,342 --> 00:09:30,662 Speaker 3: this heaps, So you just want people to be talking 188 00:09:30,702 --> 00:09:34,302 Speaker 3: about you, and it hasn't been going the Liberal Party's 189 00:09:34,342 --> 00:09:37,822 Speaker 3: way broadly speaking until now, well until now, because this 190 00:09:37,942 --> 00:09:41,062 Speaker 3: is going to change everything. But like, you need something 191 00:09:41,062 --> 00:09:43,622 Speaker 3: that will grab attention and headlines, and this is that. 192 00:09:43,782 --> 00:09:47,062 Speaker 3: I've been looking at all the memes on the Labor 193 00:09:47,102 --> 00:09:49,542 Speaker 3: Party and the Liberal parties TikTok and Instagram, and some 194 00:09:49,582 --> 00:09:51,662 Speaker 3: of them are cringey, but some of them are quite funny. 195 00:09:51,902 --> 00:09:54,982 Speaker 3: You know, they've employed a whole load of young people 196 00:09:54,982 --> 00:09:57,222 Speaker 3: in inverted commas and said, will let you do what 197 00:09:57,302 --> 00:10:00,462 Speaker 3: you want. In fact, when Dutton was first asked about 198 00:10:00,502 --> 00:10:02,542 Speaker 3: this this track, he hadn't heard it, didn't know anything 199 00:10:02,582 --> 00:10:05,662 Speaker 3: about it. He just said, I'm sure the gurus have 200 00:10:05,742 --> 00:10:08,182 Speaker 3: put together a cracking ad. I think when he says guruz, 201 00:10:08,262 --> 00:10:10,742 Speaker 3: he means to nineteen year old who are currently running. 202 00:10:11,502 --> 00:10:13,062 Speaker 2: I said, could do whatever they wanted. 203 00:10:13,142 --> 00:10:15,662 Speaker 3: And to be fair, Albo said exactly the same thing 204 00:10:15,742 --> 00:10:18,262 Speaker 3: when he got stick for There was a Sabrina Carpenter 205 00:10:18,342 --> 00:10:21,902 Speaker 3: meme where she famously opened her costume and it was 206 00:10:21,902 --> 00:10:25,462 Speaker 3: a Medicare card. And again he was asked about that 207 00:10:25,542 --> 00:10:27,262 Speaker 3: flat out of a press conference and he was like, 208 00:10:27,382 --> 00:10:29,502 Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about. So those 209 00:10:29,542 --> 00:10:32,542 Speaker 3: men are playing their roles as the clueless boomers very 210 00:10:32,662 --> 00:10:35,462 Speaker 3: very well. The other reason why it's clever is because 211 00:10:35,462 --> 00:10:37,542 Speaker 3: it is all about the eggs and cheese. That is 212 00:10:37,582 --> 00:10:40,662 Speaker 3: what the electric cares about. Every single poll is saying 213 00:10:40,702 --> 00:10:42,982 Speaker 3: cost of living, cost of living, including the one that 214 00:10:42,982 --> 00:10:45,782 Speaker 3: Mamma mer have done. So we're just at Mamamea just 215 00:10:45,822 --> 00:10:49,862 Speaker 3: publishing the results of our big politics pole and we 216 00:10:50,102 --> 00:10:52,462 Speaker 3: got responses from more than a thousand women from all 217 00:10:52,462 --> 00:10:54,982 Speaker 3: over the country, in different age groups, in different demographics, 218 00:10:55,182 --> 00:10:57,902 Speaker 3: and cost of living. Unsurprising sixty eight percent. That's what 219 00:10:57,942 --> 00:11:01,222 Speaker 3: they care about, followed by health very strongly, which is 220 00:11:01,302 --> 00:11:04,422 Speaker 3: also the reason why Medicare Medicare, Medicare is everywhere you look. 221 00:11:04,822 --> 00:11:08,302 Speaker 3: Climate change action is high, Mamma mea audience of forty 222 00:11:08,342 --> 00:11:12,502 Speaker 3: four percent, affordability, and domestic and family violence actions. So 223 00:11:12,542 --> 00:11:15,142 Speaker 3: those are the things the electric cares about. So if 224 00:11:15,142 --> 00:11:18,302 Speaker 3: you're gonna write a disk track, then at least they 225 00:11:18,382 --> 00:11:21,662 Speaker 3: picked the right topic. M you're the target market, what 226 00:11:21,702 --> 00:11:25,542 Speaker 3: does it do for you? I'm not convinced. 227 00:11:25,622 --> 00:11:28,261 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, loved the beat, thought that was great and might 228 00:11:28,302 --> 00:11:34,222 Speaker 1: listen to it on my run. I'm just confused on 229 00:11:35,022 --> 00:11:37,662 Speaker 1: who their actual target demo is, and I have a 230 00:11:37,702 --> 00:11:40,582 Speaker 1: feeling they're wasting a lot of time trying to appeal 231 00:11:40,662 --> 00:11:45,102 Speaker 1: to the broader gen z. I recently saw a Instagram 232 00:11:45,182 --> 00:11:48,102 Speaker 1: reel that was posted by ABC pert. They sent a 233 00:11:48,142 --> 00:11:50,382 Speaker 1: few of their journalists to a massive music festival in 234 00:11:50,502 --> 00:11:55,102 Speaker 1: Wa Hyperfess, and they took these laminated photos of Anthony Albanesi, 235 00:11:55,182 --> 00:11:57,942 Speaker 1: Peter Dundin and a band, and they just asked these 236 00:11:57,982 --> 00:12:00,102 Speaker 1: young kids and a lot of them were young kids. 237 00:12:00,302 --> 00:12:02,182 Speaker 1: It's an all ages festivals. Some of them might have 238 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:04,182 Speaker 1: been under age nolse. Do you know who these men are? 239 00:12:04,342 --> 00:12:06,382 Speaker 1: A lot of them did it, A lot of them 240 00:12:06,422 --> 00:12:09,982 Speaker 1: had no idea who they were. And it's these because 241 00:12:10,022 --> 00:12:13,542 Speaker 1: like the disk track in general is funny, but like 242 00:12:13,662 --> 00:12:16,982 Speaker 1: the actual words like eggs and cheese, gen z A 243 00:12:16,982 --> 00:12:18,422 Speaker 1: lot of them are still living at home. 244 00:12:20,022 --> 00:12:22,502 Speaker 3: Why would I care about buying eggs and cheese. That's 245 00:12:22,542 --> 00:12:25,102 Speaker 3: not my problem. A lot of that don't care. 246 00:12:25,342 --> 00:12:27,702 Speaker 1: Even the memes like Chapel Rowan, Sex and the City, 247 00:12:27,902 --> 00:12:29,222 Speaker 1: those are for millennial women. 248 00:12:29,462 --> 00:12:30,942 Speaker 3: They're not for like young gen zs. 249 00:12:30,942 --> 00:12:33,422 Speaker 1: And if you look at those tiktoks on the lay party, 250 00:12:33,462 --> 00:12:35,782 Speaker 1: they're not going off. Oh no, like you have to 251 00:12:35,862 --> 00:12:38,422 Speaker 1: find them and see them. I feel like they have 252 00:12:38,542 --> 00:12:41,382 Speaker 1: these gen zs working for them doing the stuff, but 253 00:12:41,422 --> 00:12:43,502 Speaker 1: then there's like this gen X who's like, don't do that, 254 00:12:43,662 --> 00:12:46,142 Speaker 1: change that, do this, do that, And then it goes 255 00:12:46,142 --> 00:12:47,302 Speaker 1: out and then I'm like, who is this for? 256 00:12:47,542 --> 00:12:50,382 Speaker 2: And it probably has to go through so many political 257 00:12:50,782 --> 00:12:53,622 Speaker 2: filters in order to be authorized, Like this was at 258 00:12:53,622 --> 00:12:55,822 Speaker 2: the end of the authorized bright blah blah blah blah 259 00:12:55,942 --> 00:12:59,062 Speaker 2: that it loses all authenticity. 260 00:12:58,582 --> 00:13:00,942 Speaker 3: But the embarrassment of it works, right. We talked about 261 00:13:00,942 --> 00:13:03,542 Speaker 3: this a while ago with Delulu, like we all cringe 262 00:13:03,622 --> 00:13:06,342 Speaker 3: so hard when Albo said de Lulu in Parliament, but 263 00:13:06,462 --> 00:13:09,462 Speaker 3: that went around the world. But this probably will too. 264 00:13:09,942 --> 00:13:13,062 Speaker 2: I do think though, a big thing the Liberal Party 265 00:13:13,182 --> 00:13:15,822 Speaker 2: has been talking about this election is that they don't 266 00:13:16,182 --> 00:13:21,502 Speaker 2: want to fall into the same bucket as make America 267 00:13:21,542 --> 00:13:25,222 Speaker 2: Great Again, all the Donald Trump stuff. It's quite clear 268 00:13:25,222 --> 00:13:28,422 Speaker 2: that they have been trying not to be put in 269 00:13:28,422 --> 00:13:31,862 Speaker 2: the same bucket. But this, interestingly was very reminiscent of 270 00:13:31,902 --> 00:13:35,622 Speaker 2: something that happened in the US. So American conservative commentator 271 00:13:35,622 --> 00:13:39,342 Speaker 2: and podcaster Ben Shapiro released a rap track in the 272 00:13:39,382 --> 00:13:42,902 Speaker 2: early days of the twenty twenty four US presidential campaign, 273 00:13:43,182 --> 00:13:45,902 Speaker 2: and it was this Canadian rapper and it was a 274 00:13:45,942 --> 00:13:49,422 Speaker 2: song called Facts, which reached number sixteen in the charts. 275 00:13:49,862 --> 00:13:52,142 Speaker 2: And a labor strategist to actually say it in response 276 00:13:52,182 --> 00:13:53,982 Speaker 2: to this, for a party that doesn't want to be 277 00:13:54,022 --> 00:13:57,422 Speaker 2: associated with American style politics, they're certainly going about it 278 00:13:57,462 --> 00:13:58,062 Speaker 2: in the wrong way. 279 00:13:58,182 --> 00:14:00,422 Speaker 3: Yeah, But they don't want to be associated with Democrats 280 00:14:00,422 --> 00:14:04,302 Speaker 3: style politics either, because they had Beyonce and Taylor swift. Yeah. True. 281 00:14:04,582 --> 00:14:06,902 Speaker 3: To be fair, the TikTok generation are too smart for this. 282 00:14:07,182 --> 00:14:10,462 Speaker 3: They can solve a true crime mystery in thirty eight seconds. 283 00:14:10,462 --> 00:14:13,062 Speaker 3: They can ruin the White Lotus finale. They can figure 284 00:14:13,062 --> 00:14:15,542 Speaker 3: out pretty quickly that Albow isn't setting the price of acs, 285 00:14:15,582 --> 00:14:17,662 Speaker 3: and geez, we need to find a solution. We need 286 00:14:17,662 --> 00:14:18,781 Speaker 3: to switch up the people. 287 00:14:18,502 --> 00:14:18,942 Speaker 2: In the power. 288 00:14:19,222 --> 00:14:20,862 Speaker 3: I just want to put food on the table, Okay, 289 00:14:20,942 --> 00:14:23,342 Speaker 3: so I'm willing to do it. I can bring them 290 00:14:23,422 --> 00:14:23,982 Speaker 3: in a moment. 291 00:14:24,302 --> 00:14:31,982 Speaker 1: Millennial hobby energy, are you a victim? And Helen Peterson 292 00:14:32,102 --> 00:14:35,542 Speaker 1: wrote a post for her Substack on millennial hobby energy 293 00:14:35,742 --> 00:14:39,462 Speaker 1: and anytime a writer or TikToker talks about hobbies, I'm 294 00:14:39,462 --> 00:14:42,342 Speaker 1: immediately in because I'm not a hobby person, but I've 295 00:14:42,382 --> 00:14:45,022 Speaker 1: always wanted to be, and I've tried so so hard, 296 00:14:45,062 --> 00:14:47,862 Speaker 1: and finally it was this newsletter that made me realize 297 00:14:47,942 --> 00:14:51,182 Speaker 1: exactly why it's never worked out for me. She says, 298 00:14:51,822 --> 00:14:54,822 Speaker 1: Millennial hobby energy is running couch to five K and 299 00:14:54,822 --> 00:14:57,342 Speaker 1: then suddenly you're making plans for two marathons a year. 300 00:14:57,902 --> 00:15:00,622 Speaker 1: It's falling down a quilting rabbit hole on TikTok and 301 00:15:00,702 --> 00:15:03,662 Speaker 1: waking up with eight hundred dollars worth of fabric. It's 302 00:15:03,702 --> 00:15:07,582 Speaker 1: big and ambitious, it's swallowing, it's barely keeping the impulse 303 00:15:07,622 --> 00:15:11,982 Speaker 1: to optimize and monetize at Bay Claire Demens. 304 00:15:12,302 --> 00:15:15,382 Speaker 2: I am like you. I'm not a hobby person. I 305 00:15:15,382 --> 00:15:16,182 Speaker 2: don't have a hobby. 306 00:15:16,222 --> 00:15:17,022 Speaker 3: You do have a hobby. 307 00:15:17,062 --> 00:15:17,742 Speaker 2: What's my hobby? 308 00:15:17,822 --> 00:15:21,222 Speaker 1: Okay, before you started this job, you wrote as a hobby, 309 00:15:21,702 --> 00:15:24,182 Speaker 1: and then you turned it into a career, and then 310 00:15:24,222 --> 00:15:26,742 Speaker 1: you've gone back to writing and now you're writing a book. 311 00:15:26,942 --> 00:15:30,342 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. This is the issue, and it goes to 312 00:15:30,422 --> 00:15:34,222 Speaker 2: exactly what Anne Helen Peterson is saying, that a hobby 313 00:15:34,382 --> 00:15:37,342 Speaker 2: has to become a job and an income stream when 314 00:15:37,342 --> 00:15:39,542 Speaker 2: you're a millennial. And I think that is why I 315 00:15:39,582 --> 00:15:44,982 Speaker 2: don't have hobbies, because I've turned my hobby into a job, 316 00:15:45,182 --> 00:15:48,462 Speaker 2: which takes away the joy of it being a hobby. Well, 317 00:15:48,582 --> 00:15:50,382 Speaker 2: not necessarily, it takes away some of it, and it 318 00:15:50,422 --> 00:15:53,582 Speaker 2: adds extra pressure to it, which Anne Helen Peterson says 319 00:15:53,742 --> 00:15:57,542 Speaker 2: in her column that we know this. There is so 320 00:15:57,662 --> 00:16:01,462 Speaker 2: much research about what happens when you turn your passion 321 00:16:01,702 --> 00:16:04,382 Speaker 2: into something you're doing for work. But I think I'm 322 00:16:04,382 --> 00:16:06,742 Speaker 2: also such an all or nothing person that I look 323 00:16:06,782 --> 00:16:10,902 Speaker 2: at doing something like something created, and I'm like, I'm 324 00:16:10,942 --> 00:16:13,542 Speaker 2: gonna be shit at it. I'm gonna be really bad, 325 00:16:13,582 --> 00:16:15,102 Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna want to be good at it, 326 00:16:15,342 --> 00:16:17,302 Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna have to try really really, really 327 00:16:17,342 --> 00:16:20,182 Speaker 2: hard and I don't have time. But I reckon what 328 00:16:20,462 --> 00:16:24,902 Speaker 2: she is getting at. I think this big millennial hobby 329 00:16:25,142 --> 00:16:29,662 Speaker 2: energy is female. The problem is female. I think men 330 00:16:29,742 --> 00:16:33,022 Speaker 2: are good at having hobbies because their standards for themselves 331 00:16:33,262 --> 00:16:36,862 Speaker 2: are not as high. So my partner can play basketball 332 00:16:37,062 --> 00:16:39,982 Speaker 2: and he's in D League and he is appalling and 333 00:16:40,022 --> 00:16:41,862 Speaker 2: he's fine with that. I can't. 334 00:16:41,982 --> 00:16:43,102 Speaker 3: So he doesn't want to get better. 335 00:16:43,302 --> 00:16:48,262 Speaker 2: Ah like maybe, but he's also fine being where he is. 336 00:16:48,382 --> 00:16:52,022 Speaker 2: He watched the whole Masters. He sat and watched the Masters, 337 00:16:52,582 --> 00:16:54,862 Speaker 2: and golf is a hobby for him and he knows 338 00:16:54,862 --> 00:16:57,702 Speaker 2: he won't be professional, and he strives to get a 339 00:16:57,742 --> 00:17:00,462 Speaker 2: little bit better, but it's just a hobby. I think 340 00:17:00,622 --> 00:17:05,502 Speaker 2: my socialization as a perfectionist woman who never feels good enough, 341 00:17:05,902 --> 00:17:08,302 Speaker 2: and I think it boils down to the fact that 342 00:17:08,422 --> 00:17:14,702 Speaker 2: I don't believe enjoyment. So this became quite dark unexpectedly. 343 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:19,622 Speaker 3: Okay, this is like a therapy session because, like you both, 344 00:17:19,942 --> 00:17:23,302 Speaker 3: I have never had a hobby in my life until 345 00:17:23,302 --> 00:17:25,941 Speaker 3: the past two years. You'll know what it is. I 346 00:17:26,022 --> 00:17:29,701 Speaker 3: like gardening, right, But I have never ever had a hobby. 347 00:17:29,742 --> 00:17:32,422 Speaker 3: That's why it's so amazing that I now have one, right, 348 00:17:32,982 --> 00:17:37,061 Speaker 3: And I cannot tell you enough how good it has 349 00:17:37,101 --> 00:17:39,741 Speaker 3: been for my mental health. But I could never have 350 00:17:39,782 --> 00:17:42,182 Speaker 3: had a hobby until this particular stage of my life, 351 00:17:42,262 --> 00:17:45,502 Speaker 3: when I was like really really in the trenches of 352 00:17:45,702 --> 00:17:49,262 Speaker 3: parenting little kids and working full on job. Every minute 353 00:17:49,302 --> 00:17:51,581 Speaker 3: of every day is taken up. I didn't have any 354 00:17:51,621 --> 00:17:54,421 Speaker 3: time to do that, and it's been a goal to 355 00:17:54,502 --> 00:17:56,861 Speaker 3: work towards to try and carve out little portions of 356 00:17:56,901 --> 00:18:00,341 Speaker 3: time to do something that wasn't highly productive. So a, 357 00:18:00,901 --> 00:18:03,302 Speaker 3: you mustn't beat yourself up, particularly Euclaire, and we'll get 358 00:18:03,302 --> 00:18:06,661 Speaker 3: to you in a minute. You can beat yourself for 359 00:18:06,942 --> 00:18:09,022 Speaker 3: not having a hobby, as if that's another thing you've 360 00:18:09,022 --> 00:18:11,861 Speaker 3: got to put on. You're like, my perfect life would 361 00:18:11,861 --> 00:18:16,101 Speaker 3: include this list, because that negates the whole point, right. 362 00:18:17,182 --> 00:18:19,341 Speaker 3: But the reason it has been so good for my 363 00:18:19,422 --> 00:18:22,421 Speaker 3: mental health is because and we've talked about this before, 364 00:18:22,542 --> 00:18:24,742 Speaker 3: but it gives me a level of rest because I'm 365 00:18:24,742 --> 00:18:26,741 Speaker 3: not a lie down and rest kind of person. But 366 00:18:26,821 --> 00:18:29,222 Speaker 3: it is rest. It's active rest, it's creative rest. It's 367 00:18:29,262 --> 00:18:31,261 Speaker 3: really good for you to have that kind of stuff. 368 00:18:31,502 --> 00:18:33,821 Speaker 3: I'm always trying to meditate, always bring the outlouders about that. 369 00:18:33,861 --> 00:18:36,381 Speaker 3: And then I suddenly realized, Oh, gardening is meditation. I 370 00:18:36,462 --> 00:18:39,022 Speaker 3: was walking past the river near where I live the 371 00:18:39,061 --> 00:18:40,821 Speaker 3: other day and there are all these middle aged men 372 00:18:40,861 --> 00:18:44,221 Speaker 3: standing there with their fishing rods. They don't look like meditators, 373 00:18:44,262 --> 00:18:47,022 Speaker 3: those guys, but I realized, every one of those guys 374 00:18:47,061 --> 00:18:48,061 Speaker 3: is meditating right now. 375 00:18:48,101 --> 00:18:48,381 Speaker 2: Ah. 376 00:18:48,621 --> 00:18:51,742 Speaker 3: They are just standing there with their sticks, like their 377 00:18:51,742 --> 00:18:55,381 Speaker 3: little sticks out in the river, doing nothing, like just 378 00:18:55,502 --> 00:18:58,782 Speaker 3: having a moment. I think it's the giving yourself permission 379 00:18:58,821 --> 00:19:02,061 Speaker 3: to do something that isn't necessarily productive that makes a 380 00:19:02,101 --> 00:19:05,141 Speaker 3: hobby so wonderful. What you have to do is you 381 00:19:05,182 --> 00:19:07,061 Speaker 3: have to guard against. And this is what I find 382 00:19:07,141 --> 00:19:10,422 Speaker 3: because although I'm not a millennial amagen X, as soon 383 00:19:10,422 --> 00:19:12,422 Speaker 3: as you get into something and you learn more about it, 384 00:19:12,422 --> 00:19:14,302 Speaker 3: it's limitless where you want to take it. Right, So 385 00:19:14,381 --> 00:19:17,141 Speaker 3: I'm growing things, But then you start talking to people 386 00:19:17,141 --> 00:19:19,341 Speaker 3: and the like, but are you using purely organic material? 387 00:19:19,422 --> 00:19:21,181 Speaker 3: And you know, are you planting this, and you're planting that, 388 00:19:21,262 --> 00:19:23,701 Speaker 3: and what about multi cropping and what about companion planting? 389 00:19:23,702 --> 00:19:27,302 Speaker 3: And it could become your whole life really quickly, and 390 00:19:27,341 --> 00:19:30,581 Speaker 3: you have to fight that urge and go, no, this 391 00:19:30,782 --> 00:19:33,382 Speaker 3: is my escape. If I turn it into the thing 392 00:19:33,462 --> 00:19:36,501 Speaker 3: I'm trying to escape from, it's no longer an escape. 393 00:19:36,581 --> 00:19:40,101 Speaker 2: Do you think that is the fault of the internet, Like, 394 00:19:40,462 --> 00:19:43,582 Speaker 2: surely a few decades ago when you had a hobby. 395 00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:47,061 Speaker 2: And I actually remember growing up as a teenager, I 396 00:19:47,061 --> 00:19:50,222 Speaker 2: would have hobbies and be like, I'm bad at sewing, 397 00:19:50,982 --> 00:19:52,981 Speaker 2: but I'm gonna sew and I don't really know what 398 00:19:53,022 --> 00:19:55,741 Speaker 2: other people's sewing looks like, so I can't beat myself up. 399 00:19:55,821 --> 00:19:58,302 Speaker 1: That's the reason why I can't get into hobbies, because 400 00:19:58,341 --> 00:20:02,141 Speaker 1: people are too loud about their hobby. So I started 401 00:20:02,581 --> 00:20:04,701 Speaker 1: coloring in. So I bought my texts, I got my 402 00:20:04,901 --> 00:20:06,821 Speaker 1: adult coloring book, and I was coloring in. And then 403 00:20:06,861 --> 00:20:09,382 Speaker 1: I was scrolling on TikTok and I saw a tik 404 00:20:09,982 --> 00:20:12,341 Speaker 1: whose whole TikTok was about coloring in, and she had 405 00:20:12,381 --> 00:20:13,861 Speaker 1: the same coloring in book as me. 406 00:20:13,942 --> 00:20:16,141 Speaker 3: So I was looking at it. Her coloring in is. 407 00:20:16,502 --> 00:20:17,422 Speaker 2: Way better than mine. 408 00:20:17,742 --> 00:20:19,621 Speaker 3: Because you know what she does shading? What the fuck 409 00:20:19,661 --> 00:20:19,942 Speaker 3: is that? 410 00:20:20,302 --> 00:20:24,302 Speaker 1: Wow, I'm just using one color per little quadrant. 411 00:20:24,462 --> 00:20:27,101 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I'm out of the lines. It's really hard sometimes, 412 00:20:27,302 --> 00:20:28,342 Speaker 3: and she's doing it so well. 413 00:20:28,381 --> 00:20:30,781 Speaker 1: So then I started practicing shading with shit at it 414 00:20:30,942 --> 00:20:32,821 Speaker 1: got really mad having colored in again. 415 00:20:33,702 --> 00:20:37,182 Speaker 3: Friends, and yet another example of how no one understands 416 00:20:37,222 --> 00:20:39,222 Speaker 3: anything anymore. Actually, that feels like the theme of this 417 00:20:39,341 --> 00:20:43,821 Speaker 3: show today. Very confused. The biggest movie in the world 418 00:20:43,942 --> 00:20:46,982 Speaker 3: right now and being hailed as the savior of cinema 419 00:20:47,022 --> 00:20:51,341 Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five, is universally regarded as terrible, and 420 00:20:51,502 --> 00:20:54,782 Speaker 3: its fans are trashing cinemas, throwing popcorn and letting loose 421 00:20:54,861 --> 00:20:58,861 Speaker 3: live chickens because they love it so much. If you 422 00:20:58,942 --> 00:21:01,102 Speaker 3: have to take your kid to see the Minecraft movie, 423 00:21:01,141 --> 00:21:03,181 Speaker 3: I have a word to the wise, because that happened 424 00:21:03,222 --> 00:21:07,022 Speaker 3: in my house this weekend. Go early before the teenagers 425 00:21:07,061 --> 00:21:11,221 Speaker 3: get there. If you have a teenager disassociate, have nothing 426 00:21:11,262 --> 00:21:13,542 Speaker 3: to do with it, leave them to it, and go 427 00:21:13,581 --> 00:21:15,542 Speaker 3: to a screening like the one that my son went to, 428 00:21:15,661 --> 00:21:19,141 Speaker 3: where a stern woman stood up at the beginning of 429 00:21:19,141 --> 00:21:22,542 Speaker 3: the screening and said, don't even think about it. 430 00:21:23,982 --> 00:21:24,782 Speaker 2: Brent said she. 431 00:21:24,861 --> 00:21:27,141 Speaker 3: Was so scary. He was like, oh and put his 432 00:21:27,182 --> 00:21:27,942 Speaker 3: popcorn down. 433 00:21:27,982 --> 00:21:29,781 Speaker 2: Do you think was Billy thinking about it? 434 00:21:29,821 --> 00:21:32,341 Speaker 3: Oh? Of course he was. Because so we're talking about 435 00:21:32,341 --> 00:21:34,661 Speaker 3: the Minecraft movie. No one thought it was going to 436 00:21:34,702 --> 00:21:37,742 Speaker 3: be massive. Obviously, it's big ip. Everybody loves Minecraft. But 437 00:21:37,782 --> 00:21:39,861 Speaker 3: the big wigs in Hollywood before big movies come out, 438 00:21:39,901 --> 00:21:41,701 Speaker 3: they do this thing called tracking, where they test the 439 00:21:41,742 --> 00:21:43,341 Speaker 3: audience and decide, oh, this is going to be a 440 00:21:43,341 --> 00:21:46,102 Speaker 3: massive movie. They thought this was going to be middling. 441 00:21:46,341 --> 00:21:50,861 Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, because it's aimed at jen Alpha. 442 00:21:50,901 --> 00:21:53,101 Speaker 3: But its stars a gen X so Jack Black and 443 00:21:53,182 --> 00:21:56,061 Speaker 3: Jason Momoa are like old dudes, right, So everyone's like 444 00:21:56,101 --> 00:21:59,341 Speaker 3: that seems like a strange choice. It's got no plot whatsoever, 445 00:21:59,621 --> 00:22:01,782 Speaker 3: and it cost one hundred and fifty million to make, 446 00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:07,782 Speaker 3: which is terrifyingly not considered very much money. But the 447 00:22:07,901 --> 00:22:10,542 Speaker 3: thing that everyone underestimated it is the kids who play 448 00:22:10,581 --> 00:22:13,022 Speaker 3: Minecraft and people in their early twenties who grew up 449 00:22:13,061 --> 00:22:18,262 Speaker 3: playing Minecraft are obsessed, and they have made it an 450 00:22:18,341 --> 00:22:23,422 Speaker 3: incomprehensibly enormous hit. It's taken six hundred million dollars at 451 00:22:23,422 --> 00:22:25,061 Speaker 3: the box office and it's been out for less than 452 00:22:25,101 --> 00:22:28,061 Speaker 3: two weeks. It's going to be bigger than Barbie. 453 00:22:28,141 --> 00:22:30,501 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what the problem is? 454 00:22:31,302 --> 00:22:34,022 Speaker 3: Cinemas are in this bind because they're delighted because they're 455 00:22:34,022 --> 00:22:38,581 Speaker 3: like bombs on seats, yay, popcorn sales yay. But then 456 00:22:38,661 --> 00:22:41,182 Speaker 3: the kids who are coming because it's all about TikTok 457 00:22:41,222 --> 00:22:44,622 Speaker 3: and filming it. Every time a line from the trailer 458 00:22:44,702 --> 00:22:47,022 Speaker 3: is shown, they all lose their shit, throw the popcorn 459 00:22:47,061 --> 00:22:49,341 Speaker 3: in the air, let their live chickens loose when have 460 00:22:49,502 --> 00:22:52,861 Speaker 3: a big body. So the cinemas are like yay, but 461 00:22:52,861 --> 00:22:53,581 Speaker 3: they're also. 462 00:22:53,422 --> 00:22:55,621 Speaker 2: Like, oh, my question is how did they get a 463 00:22:55,661 --> 00:23:00,021 Speaker 2: live chicken into the theater? That is just so bizarre. 464 00:23:00,061 --> 00:23:01,182 Speaker 3: But these are a large hat. 465 00:23:01,462 --> 00:23:03,861 Speaker 2: They couldn't predict that it was going to be this 466 00:23:03,901 --> 00:23:07,901 Speaker 2: big because ethically, you can't test children, do you know 467 00:23:07,901 --> 00:23:10,061 Speaker 2: what I mean? And it's like no, no, no, never 468 00:23:10,182 --> 00:23:13,782 Speaker 2: underestimate the power of children to annoy their parents into 469 00:23:13,821 --> 00:23:16,381 Speaker 2: taking them to the movies. That is the lesson. 470 00:23:16,742 --> 00:23:19,861 Speaker 3: After the break. Can't afford a designer handbag, of course 471 00:23:19,901 --> 00:23:23,581 Speaker 3: you can't. You can't afford ection cheese. Here is a 472 00:23:23,621 --> 00:23:27,102 Speaker 3: good reason to feel great about it. One unlimited out 473 00:23:27,141 --> 00:23:31,622 Speaker 3: loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Exclusively 474 00:23:31,661 --> 00:23:34,381 Speaker 3: for Mamma Mia subscribers. Follow the link of the show 475 00:23:34,422 --> 00:23:36,981 Speaker 3: notes to get us in your ears five days a week, 476 00:23:37,222 --> 00:23:47,022 Speaker 3: and a huge thank you to all our current subscribers. Look, 477 00:23:47,101 --> 00:23:52,622 Speaker 3: Amelia is not here. Sorry, I love you, But tariff 478 00:23:52,742 --> 00:23:55,462 Speaker 3: explanation possibly not your strong suit. I don't know, it's 479 00:23:55,502 --> 00:23:57,422 Speaker 3: not It would be fine because I think we've all 480 00:23:57,661 --> 00:24:00,182 Speaker 3: had enough of tariffs in the past couple of weeks. 481 00:24:00,182 --> 00:24:02,421 Speaker 3: That's the word that we've just heard over and over again. 482 00:24:02,581 --> 00:24:05,101 Speaker 3: But the problem is right now, if you pick your 483 00:24:05,101 --> 00:24:09,022 Speaker 3: phone up, it's probably full of tariff related content in 484 00:24:09,101 --> 00:24:12,581 Speaker 3: the form of what is being called Chinese factory TikTok, 485 00:24:13,061 --> 00:24:16,542 Speaker 3: swiftly making its way onto every platform. Here's a little 486 00:24:16,581 --> 00:24:19,542 Speaker 3: taste of what I'm talking about. I love what China doing. 487 00:24:19,942 --> 00:24:21,502 Speaker 2: Keep on exposing these big brands. 488 00:24:21,581 --> 00:24:24,941 Speaker 4: Some say, as long as there's a tag saying made 489 00:24:24,942 --> 00:24:28,461 Speaker 4: in China, the bag can never be luxury. However, in fact, 490 00:24:28,502 --> 00:24:31,101 Speaker 4: more than eighty percent of the luxury banks in the 491 00:24:31,141 --> 00:24:32,702 Speaker 4: world are made in China. 492 00:24:32,821 --> 00:24:35,302 Speaker 5: Who are the suppliers Behai Lulu Lam Some of their 493 00:24:35,381 --> 00:24:38,542 Speaker 5: Yugo wears are actually from Young Long Clothing and Hauntisim 494 00:24:38,581 --> 00:24:42,061 Speaker 5: Clothing and guess what full factories locating ill here and 495 00:24:42,141 --> 00:24:46,381 Speaker 5: these two factories also some light clothing or kila and unarmed. 496 00:24:46,462 --> 00:24:49,702 Speaker 4: The total cost will be one thousand, one hundred USD 497 00:24:50,061 --> 00:24:53,621 Speaker 4: or one per kid out of factory. But why Ermis 498 00:24:53,661 --> 00:24:56,462 Speaker 4: will charge you thirty eight thousand USD for one bang. 499 00:24:56,581 --> 00:25:00,302 Speaker 4: That's because more the ninety percent of the prices paid 500 00:25:00,621 --> 00:25:01,621 Speaker 4: for its logo. 501 00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:05,302 Speaker 3: Okay, let's start with something sensible. Nothing you just heard 502 00:25:05,621 --> 00:25:09,222 Speaker 3: has been independently verified or confirmed by any of the 503 00:25:09,262 --> 00:25:12,181 Speaker 3: brands involved. So there's that. There's this thing called propaganda. 504 00:25:12,222 --> 00:25:15,022 Speaker 3: You've probably heard of it. Some governments are really good 505 00:25:15,101 --> 00:25:19,421 Speaker 3: at it. Some governments own the most powerful social media 506 00:25:19,462 --> 00:25:22,222 Speaker 3: algorithm in the world. So put that in your pipe, 507 00:25:22,302 --> 00:25:25,662 Speaker 3: and you know, consider it. Right, Some governments just do distracts. 508 00:25:26,182 --> 00:25:30,782 Speaker 3: It's true. This is a very sophisticated level of distrack. 509 00:25:30,901 --> 00:25:31,101 Speaker 2: Right. 510 00:25:32,022 --> 00:25:35,542 Speaker 3: The reason you are suddenly being flooded with these videos though, 511 00:25:35,661 --> 00:25:38,222 Speaker 3: even though you're not in America, is because the tariff 512 00:25:38,262 --> 00:25:40,782 Speaker 3: that President Trump has not backed down on, because a 513 00:25:40,782 --> 00:25:43,061 Speaker 3: lot of them is just gone. Okay, Okay, I was kidding. 514 00:25:43,141 --> 00:25:45,782 Speaker 3: Let's just have a little time. You can all come 515 00:25:45,821 --> 00:25:47,502 Speaker 3: and kiss the ring and I'll see what I decided 516 00:25:47,542 --> 00:25:50,261 Speaker 3: to do. But with China, he's gone, no, it's one 517 00:25:50,381 --> 00:25:54,742 Speaker 3: hundred and forty five percent for you, all of you. Now, 518 00:25:54,821 --> 00:25:57,821 Speaker 3: that would make something manufactured in China something like, oh, 519 00:25:57,861 --> 00:26:02,742 Speaker 3: I don't know, TVs, smartphones, trainers, furniture, makeup, almost all 520 00:26:02,821 --> 00:26:08,702 Speaker 3: fast fashion kids, toys, almost anything that contains rubber or plastic, medicines, chemicals, glasses, 521 00:26:08,782 --> 00:26:12,941 Speaker 3: contact lenses, trucks, engines, solar panels, tea. All of that 522 00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:17,381 Speaker 3: now two and a half times more expensive if the 523 00:26:17,422 --> 00:26:22,222 Speaker 3: tariff business kicks in properly? Right? But what's particularly sexy 524 00:26:22,222 --> 00:26:24,821 Speaker 3: for a TikTok audience? So if you're the Chinese government 525 00:26:24,861 --> 00:26:27,261 Speaker 3: and you've got all these factories and manufacturing is a 526 00:26:27,262 --> 00:26:29,341 Speaker 3: massive part of what you do, you're like, what's the 527 00:26:29,422 --> 00:26:32,262 Speaker 3: sexy thing we can push on TikTok about this to 528 00:26:32,341 --> 00:26:38,061 Speaker 3: create unrest about the tariffs. Designer handbags, designer goods in general. 529 00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:42,861 Speaker 3: Younger and aspirational market who are on TikTok aspire to 530 00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:46,142 Speaker 3: want designer things. Broadly speaking, I know not everybody does. 531 00:26:46,182 --> 00:26:48,542 Speaker 3: Some people are much too ethical for that. Sure, all 532 00:26:48,542 --> 00:26:50,981 Speaker 3: of us would be high status brands. That's why I 533 00:26:50,982 --> 00:26:53,302 Speaker 3: don't have any bags I'm too ethical for it. And 534 00:26:53,381 --> 00:26:56,702 Speaker 3: so that is the target of the Chinese Factory TikTok 535 00:26:56,782 --> 00:26:59,981 Speaker 3: videos that are impossible to escape. They are saying that 536 00:27:00,141 --> 00:27:05,101 Speaker 3: fancy bag that retails in America for thirty eight thousand dollars, 537 00:27:05,141 --> 00:27:07,901 Speaker 3: and Kim Kardashian has a whole wardrobe full of you 538 00:27:07,982 --> 00:27:10,821 Speaker 3: could buy a direct from us for a grand those 539 00:27:10,942 --> 00:27:14,621 Speaker 3: fancy leggings that are in that trendy active where boutique 540 00:27:14,621 --> 00:27:18,662 Speaker 3: that cost one hundred bucks six dollars in China, Claire, 541 00:27:18,782 --> 00:27:21,742 Speaker 3: have you seen Chinese factory TikTok everywhere I have? 542 00:27:22,101 --> 00:27:25,902 Speaker 2: And everything I know about tariffs I know from Emelia 543 00:27:25,982 --> 00:27:29,302 Speaker 2: Lester on this podcast. So to be honest, that's sorry again, 544 00:27:30,702 --> 00:27:33,381 Speaker 2: but that actually makes me really smart when it comes 545 00:27:33,422 --> 00:27:37,141 Speaker 2: to tariffs. But what I'm getting from these videos, and 546 00:27:37,182 --> 00:27:39,061 Speaker 2: please correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm not really 547 00:27:39,141 --> 00:27:42,022 Speaker 2: asking either of you two. I'm more saying out louder 548 00:27:42,022 --> 00:27:44,621 Speaker 2: is correct me if I'm wrong. But I feel like 549 00:27:44,861 --> 00:27:48,902 Speaker 2: this is my vibe on tariffs. Donald Trump meant it 550 00:27:48,982 --> 00:27:52,221 Speaker 2: to be like I'm giving all of you guys tariffs, 551 00:27:52,661 --> 00:27:56,182 Speaker 2: so we'll make things in America and people will buy 552 00:27:56,222 --> 00:28:00,861 Speaker 2: the things made in America. Is China. Is China now 553 00:28:01,022 --> 00:28:04,821 Speaker 2: being like jokes, why don't you just buy it directly 554 00:28:04,861 --> 00:28:07,381 Speaker 2: from us? Is that what's happening here? 555 00:28:07,462 --> 00:28:10,181 Speaker 3: It kind of is, but that's not really possible on 556 00:28:10,222 --> 00:28:12,661 Speaker 3: a big scale. That's why this is really trolling in 557 00:28:12,702 --> 00:28:14,621 Speaker 3: a lot of ways, because, yeah, there are sure going 558 00:28:14,661 --> 00:28:16,262 Speaker 3: to be people watching this who are going, oh, yeah, 559 00:28:16,302 --> 00:28:17,942 Speaker 3: let's set up an agency where we go into China 560 00:28:17,942 --> 00:28:20,741 Speaker 3: and buy direct Anyone who's ever started a business that 561 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,902 Speaker 3: manufactures anything, whether it's makeup or you know, will tell 562 00:28:23,942 --> 00:28:25,982 Speaker 3: you that you will be dealing with China because China 563 00:28:26,022 --> 00:28:30,502 Speaker 3: is a manufacturing superpower, right, which is good. But what 564 00:28:30,581 --> 00:28:32,742 Speaker 3: Trump is kind of saying is we want to manufacture 565 00:28:32,742 --> 00:28:34,821 Speaker 3: things here, so all you big brands come and build 566 00:28:34,821 --> 00:28:36,862 Speaker 3: plants in America. But there's a little problem with this, 567 00:28:36,901 --> 00:28:38,782 Speaker 3: and this is something to be thinking about when you're 568 00:28:38,822 --> 00:28:43,942 Speaker 3: watching the Chinese Factory tiktoks, because it's true, as many 569 00:28:43,982 --> 00:28:46,022 Speaker 3: of these TikTokers say that there's a lot of snobbery 570 00:28:46,062 --> 00:28:48,342 Speaker 3: about things made in China. We all can acknowledge that, 571 00:28:48,382 --> 00:28:50,022 Speaker 3: and some of that is very problematic and some of 572 00:28:50,022 --> 00:28:52,582 Speaker 3: it is downright racist. But as one of these guys says, 573 00:28:52,622 --> 00:28:54,902 Speaker 3: He's like, if a luxury fashion brand tells you it's 574 00:28:54,902 --> 00:28:59,142 Speaker 3: made in Italy, you all go ooh, Italy, Royal People, 575 00:28:59,702 --> 00:29:03,142 Speaker 3: Milan Fashion Week. If we tell you it's made in China, 576 00:29:03,222 --> 00:29:06,582 Speaker 3: you go ooh. But the thing to bear in mind 577 00:29:06,902 --> 00:29:09,062 Speaker 3: is that one of the reasons why things are cheap 578 00:29:09,062 --> 00:29:11,622 Speaker 3: in China. One is the scale, no question, and the 579 00:29:11,622 --> 00:29:15,902 Speaker 3: supply chains, no question. But also it's because labor is cheap, 580 00:29:15,942 --> 00:29:18,742 Speaker 3: which means that workers do not get paid very much. 581 00:29:18,822 --> 00:29:21,941 Speaker 3: The average wage for a factory work in China, and 582 00:29:21,982 --> 00:29:24,502 Speaker 3: it varies a lot depending on where they are in 583 00:29:24,542 --> 00:29:29,382 Speaker 3: the country, but is somewhere around five hundred dollars a month. Yeah. 584 00:29:29,422 --> 00:29:32,102 Speaker 2: One of these videos, the guy is saying he's kind 585 00:29:32,142 --> 00:29:37,022 Speaker 2: of exposing the whole path by which this works, and 586 00:29:37,822 --> 00:29:40,222 Speaker 2: the fact that you then send it to a luxury 587 00:29:40,262 --> 00:29:42,142 Speaker 2: brand and they might put bloody logo on it. 588 00:29:42,102 --> 00:29:44,462 Speaker 3: So says the logo, will send it to them, they'll 589 00:29:44,502 --> 00:29:46,262 Speaker 3: put their finishes on it, put a logo on it, 590 00:29:46,302 --> 00:29:49,302 Speaker 3: and that logo basically costs you thirty thousand dollars. Yeah. 591 00:29:49,422 --> 00:29:52,942 Speaker 2: He admits in the video that he's a little bit 592 00:29:53,022 --> 00:29:56,862 Speaker 2: ashamed by how nobody in the factory makes money. I'm 593 00:29:56,942 --> 00:30:00,502 Speaker 2: kind of like, why are you sharing this? This makes 594 00:30:00,902 --> 00:30:05,942 Speaker 2: this whole thing look really, really really bad. But as 595 00:30:05,942 --> 00:30:08,542 Speaker 2: a really selfish person, I'm looking at it being like, 596 00:30:09,342 --> 00:30:10,862 Speaker 2: is it meanthing gonna be cheaper for me? 597 00:30:11,622 --> 00:30:14,262 Speaker 3: So that this is are you thinking? M or I've 598 00:30:14,302 --> 00:30:16,782 Speaker 3: always wanted a blah blah bag. Now I've got a 599 00:30:16,822 --> 00:30:17,982 Speaker 3: new idea of how to get one. 600 00:30:18,022 --> 00:30:20,942 Speaker 1: Well, I have a fake designer handbag that I bought 601 00:30:21,022 --> 00:30:22,982 Speaker 1: years ago in Hong Kong, and it was one of 602 00:30:23,022 --> 00:30:25,542 Speaker 1: those situations where you go into the shop and then 603 00:30:25,542 --> 00:30:28,102 Speaker 1: they're like, come into the back room, and there's another backroom, 604 00:30:28,102 --> 00:30:30,261 Speaker 1: and there's another backroom, and then I'm in five backrooms 605 00:30:30,382 --> 00:30:32,622 Speaker 1: and I get this fake designer handbag. And then when 606 00:30:32,702 --> 00:30:34,862 Speaker 1: I saw all of these tiktoks, I'm like, I wonder 607 00:30:34,862 --> 00:30:38,742 Speaker 1: if my fake designer handbag is actually the real designer handbag. 608 00:30:39,262 --> 00:30:41,782 Speaker 3: Feel that way because we run a story on Mama 609 00:30:41,862 --> 00:30:44,902 Speaker 3: Miir a while ago about how Jupe designer handbags are 610 00:30:45,142 --> 00:30:46,981 Speaker 3: massive and have their own status now and there are 611 00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:49,062 Speaker 3: lots of sites where that you know, you buy jeeps 612 00:30:49,302 --> 00:30:51,142 Speaker 3: and they're saying it feels just as good. It's all 613 00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:53,422 Speaker 3: about when they say hard where I think they mean buckles, 614 00:30:53,702 --> 00:30:57,582 Speaker 3: so what they like the little part? Does your fake 615 00:30:57,661 --> 00:31:00,902 Speaker 3: designer handbag feel like what you imagine a real one? 616 00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:02,862 Speaker 1: It feels so real to the point where I lie, 617 00:31:02,982 --> 00:31:04,662 Speaker 1: I just straight up li. I tell people the trail. 618 00:31:04,622 --> 00:31:06,102 Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. When you buy a 619 00:31:06,142 --> 00:31:08,662 Speaker 2: fake designer handbag is the idea that people think it's 620 00:31:08,661 --> 00:31:12,462 Speaker 2: a real Like, I don't know, I've never had anything designer, 621 00:31:12,782 --> 00:31:15,342 Speaker 2: which this makes me feel really smug about that because 622 00:31:15,342 --> 00:31:16,902 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you idiots. 623 00:31:16,982 --> 00:31:18,942 Speaker 3: I think that's the other point of this. I think 624 00:31:18,982 --> 00:31:20,822 Speaker 3: the other point of this and why it's being shared 625 00:31:20,822 --> 00:31:23,902 Speaker 3: by American audience and stuff, is that if we accept 626 00:31:23,902 --> 00:31:27,742 Speaker 3: that the vast majority of people might aspire to owning 627 00:31:27,742 --> 00:31:29,982 Speaker 3: the kind of handbag that Kim Kardashian does, or think 628 00:31:29,982 --> 00:31:32,542 Speaker 3: that it's a symbol of having made it, but could 629 00:31:32,622 --> 00:31:35,261 Speaker 3: never I mean even a more basic designer handbag they 630 00:31:35,342 --> 00:31:37,862 Speaker 3: cost thousands of dollars and having that kind of so 631 00:31:37,982 --> 00:31:40,181 Speaker 3: if you can be like, you guys are suckers and 632 00:31:40,262 --> 00:31:42,462 Speaker 3: I'm smart, then that's great. 633 00:31:42,622 --> 00:31:45,142 Speaker 2: Actually, yes, my favorite kind of content is the kind 634 00:31:45,142 --> 00:31:48,181 Speaker 2: of content that makes me feel better about being lazy 635 00:31:48,222 --> 00:31:51,062 Speaker 2: and doing nothing, and that this has done that. I'm like, 636 00:31:51,182 --> 00:31:54,661 Speaker 2: I'm not contributing to some of the worst parts of capitalism. Also, 637 00:31:55,262 --> 00:31:57,182 Speaker 2: I don't have a luxury handbag. 638 00:31:58,862 --> 00:32:02,742 Speaker 1: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. 639 00:32:03,302 --> 00:32:04,822 Speaker 3: This is my best recommendation. 640 00:32:06,222 --> 00:32:08,182 Speaker 2: As we lead up to the long weekend, we thought 641 00:32:08,182 --> 00:32:11,582 Speaker 2: we'd sneak in some recommendations to set you up because 642 00:32:11,622 --> 00:32:14,661 Speaker 2: my advice to everyone this long weekend, and it's actually 643 00:32:14,702 --> 00:32:17,062 Speaker 2: just advice to myself. I think we got to turn 644 00:32:17,062 --> 00:32:20,302 Speaker 2: our phones off. We gotta get away from all of 645 00:32:20,502 --> 00:32:22,982 Speaker 2: We've just told you how bizarre the world is. You're 646 00:32:22,982 --> 00:32:24,701 Speaker 2: not gonna understand between. 647 00:32:24,342 --> 00:32:28,661 Speaker 3: The Chinese and the dish tracks and the space. It's time. 648 00:32:28,862 --> 00:32:31,102 Speaker 3: It's time to turn to your hobby's turn. 649 00:32:31,782 --> 00:32:36,262 Speaker 2: Off and let's turn to I'm just thinking about everyone's recommendations. 650 00:32:36,262 --> 00:32:38,822 Speaker 2: I think they are all fiction. I think we just 651 00:32:38,902 --> 00:32:43,582 Speaker 2: turned to a fake world, a fake world. I'm going 652 00:32:43,661 --> 00:32:47,062 Speaker 2: to start with my recommendation because I'm impatient. Some listeners 653 00:32:47,182 --> 00:32:50,542 Speaker 2: may have heard of a brilliant show called EA. I 654 00:32:50,622 --> 00:32:51,421 Speaker 2: grew up watching it. 655 00:32:51,542 --> 00:32:54,902 Speaker 3: Up was a big deal. I bloody loved George Clooney. 656 00:32:54,982 --> 00:32:57,421 Speaker 2: Oh there was a George Clooney. Oh gosh, it was 657 00:32:57,502 --> 00:33:00,382 Speaker 2: just such a brilliant show, and it really I really 658 00:33:00,382 --> 00:33:03,582 Speaker 2: thought that's what hospitals were like, and then not quite. 659 00:33:03,742 --> 00:33:07,902 Speaker 2: But if you were a fan of EA, you need 660 00:33:07,942 --> 00:33:11,622 Speaker 2: to watch The Pit. So it's an American medical drama 661 00:33:11,742 --> 00:33:15,542 Speaker 2: TV series from the same producers and creators as EAR, 662 00:33:16,182 --> 00:33:20,062 Speaker 2: starring Noah Wiley, who I didn't know was also an 663 00:33:20,102 --> 00:33:22,862 Speaker 2: executive producer of EAR. I didn't know he was involved 664 00:33:22,862 --> 00:33:24,781 Speaker 2: in the making of it. He loves it, I know 665 00:33:25,022 --> 00:33:29,181 Speaker 2: clearly he's like, this slapped a doctor. I am. I 666 00:33:29,222 --> 00:33:31,542 Speaker 2: believe he's a doctor. If he honestly attended to me 667 00:33:31,582 --> 00:33:34,701 Speaker 2: in the street, I'd be like, go for it. But so, 668 00:33:34,942 --> 00:33:37,942 Speaker 2: his character in the show, doctor Robbie, is dealing with 669 00:33:37,982 --> 00:33:43,862 Speaker 2: his traumatic experiences during the COVID nineteen pandemic. And in 670 00:33:43,942 --> 00:33:48,022 Speaker 2: this show, every episode of the season covers one hour 671 00:33:48,302 --> 00:33:53,182 Speaker 2: of a single fifteen hour emergency department shift at the 672 00:33:53,222 --> 00:33:56,742 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Trauma Medical Hospital, hence it been called The Pit. 673 00:33:56,982 --> 00:33:59,342 Speaker 1: That is exactly why I thought it was a reality 674 00:33:59,382 --> 00:34:01,782 Speaker 1: TV ycause I know, right, it looks so real. 675 00:34:01,742 --> 00:34:04,542 Speaker 2: I know, right. So I started seeing a million clips 676 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:07,502 Speaker 2: of this on TikTok and I was like, hell, yeah, 677 00:34:07,661 --> 00:34:11,902 Speaker 2: Eer's back. I've to come back. A lot of the 678 00:34:11,902 --> 00:34:14,261 Speaker 2: team who created Er are involved in this, but one 679 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,942 Speaker 2: guy isn't, and he's suing them, being like, this is 680 00:34:17,022 --> 00:34:19,502 Speaker 2: just a reboot of R But people are like, it's 681 00:34:19,502 --> 00:34:21,861 Speaker 2: actually no more similar to ER than it is to 682 00:34:21,942 --> 00:34:22,781 Speaker 2: like Gray's Anatomy Air. 683 00:34:22,862 --> 00:34:25,062 Speaker 3: Why do you think we love hospital show so much? 684 00:34:25,142 --> 00:34:28,741 Speaker 3: Considering that usually our interactions with hospital come at a 685 00:34:28,781 --> 00:34:31,102 Speaker 3: bad time in our lives, But we cannot get enough 686 00:34:31,422 --> 00:34:33,262 Speaker 3: of watching them because. 687 00:34:33,022 --> 00:34:35,181 Speaker 2: It's just a procedural, like you know what I mean, 688 00:34:35,261 --> 00:34:38,781 Speaker 2: Like structure wise, it's just and also the drama, and 689 00:34:38,862 --> 00:34:41,821 Speaker 2: you're also curious because every time you're in hospital you 690 00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:44,782 Speaker 2: want to know the gossip. You're like, what is everyone doing? 691 00:34:45,142 --> 00:34:48,181 Speaker 2: So this show is so good because it is like 692 00:34:48,382 --> 00:34:52,741 Speaker 2: a more realistic version of a lot of the medical 693 00:34:52,902 --> 00:34:55,582 Speaker 2: dramas we've all watched. So it's not Gray as Anatomy 694 00:34:55,701 --> 00:34:59,341 Speaker 2: Vibes where someone's got a bomb in them. It's not that, 695 00:34:59,502 --> 00:35:02,301 Speaker 2: it's not that. What it is is actually a bit 696 00:35:02,342 --> 00:35:05,422 Speaker 2: of a commentary on the health system in the US, 697 00:35:05,822 --> 00:35:09,422 Speaker 2: and it really actually goes into all the stress that 698 00:35:09,582 --> 00:35:13,062 Speaker 2: doctors are under, some of the ridiculous pressures placed on 699 00:35:13,102 --> 00:35:16,422 Speaker 2: them in the health system in America, where it's like 700 00:35:16,741 --> 00:35:19,781 Speaker 2: there's like patient satisfaction surveys and they're like, yeah, the 701 00:35:19,822 --> 00:35:22,181 Speaker 2: patients are waiting twelve hours. Of course they're not satisfied, 702 00:35:22,661 --> 00:35:26,342 Speaker 2: but it's less absurdist than a lot of the medical dramas, 703 00:35:26,741 --> 00:35:30,262 Speaker 2: and the pace is a bit different. I didn't realize 704 00:35:30,261 --> 00:35:33,182 Speaker 2: that all I wanted in my life was another medical drama. 705 00:35:33,542 --> 00:35:35,262 Speaker 2: It's so good. Everybody has to watch. 706 00:35:35,142 --> 00:35:38,582 Speaker 3: It binge yes, and it's called it's called The Pit. 707 00:35:39,062 --> 00:35:41,741 Speaker 3: I've had TV show too. Now, if me and Jesse 708 00:35:41,822 --> 00:35:44,262 Speaker 3: were here, they might not let me recommend this, although 709 00:35:44,302 --> 00:35:46,102 Speaker 3: actually I have just remember Clas Steven's here and she 710 00:35:46,142 --> 00:35:50,382 Speaker 3: also thinks might recommendations as ship. We'll go for it 711 00:35:51,022 --> 00:35:52,701 Speaker 3: a lot about loud as well. Have already watched this 712 00:35:52,741 --> 00:35:54,942 Speaker 3: because it's been on Netflix for a while, But have 713 00:35:55,102 --> 00:35:57,862 Speaker 3: either of you watched Running Point on Netflix with Kate Hudson? 714 00:35:57,982 --> 00:35:58,702 Speaker 3: I watched her twice. 715 00:35:58,982 --> 00:36:01,861 Speaker 2: Yes, it is it a film? Is it ai? 716 00:36:02,221 --> 00:36:04,142 Speaker 3: No, it's a series. 717 00:36:03,062 --> 00:36:07,822 Speaker 1: It's like eight epps, I think, yeahs so, and they're 718 00:36:07,822 --> 00:36:08,741 Speaker 1: renewed for season two. 719 00:36:08,781 --> 00:36:13,181 Speaker 3: Yep. So it is a TV show that is about 720 00:36:13,221 --> 00:36:16,821 Speaker 3: a woman who somehow finds herself in charge of the 721 00:36:16,982 --> 00:36:19,381 Speaker 3: La Lakers, and they're not called the La Lakers, of course. 722 00:36:20,741 --> 00:36:23,062 Speaker 3: It's based on the life of a real woman who 723 00:36:23,142 --> 00:36:26,062 Speaker 3: suddenly found herself in charge of the La Lakers, called Genie. 724 00:36:26,622 --> 00:36:28,542 Speaker 2: This is the one totally accused you of being a 725 00:36:28,622 --> 00:36:30,701 Speaker 2: rip off of Ted Lasso. Yes, that's why you love it. 726 00:36:30,982 --> 00:36:35,181 Speaker 3: Well, it's not Ted Lasso, though, it's not different as 727 00:36:35,181 --> 00:36:37,981 Speaker 3: good as Ted, Like, I know, I'm recommending it here, 728 00:36:38,062 --> 00:36:42,461 Speaker 3: but it's a different vibe, but same concept. Fish out 729 00:36:42,462 --> 00:36:46,421 Speaker 3: of Water, sports coach, sure, right, it's also boss lady vibes, 730 00:36:46,502 --> 00:36:48,781 Speaker 3: right because Kate husband, she's not the coach, she's the 731 00:36:48,982 --> 00:36:52,222 Speaker 3: boss because one of her brothers is a drug addict 732 00:36:52,221 --> 00:36:53,781 Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. So there's all that. It's a 733 00:36:53,781 --> 00:36:55,021 Speaker 3: bit of succession as well. 734 00:36:55,062 --> 00:36:55,422 Speaker 2: It is. 735 00:36:55,622 --> 00:36:57,982 Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm trying to. 736 00:36:59,462 --> 00:37:00,582 Speaker 2: Mars because you're like. 737 00:37:01,062 --> 00:37:02,542 Speaker 3: Is it like this good show? No? 738 00:37:02,822 --> 00:37:05,342 Speaker 2: Is it like this good show? No? Absolutely not. 739 00:37:05,022 --> 00:37:09,542 Speaker 3: That's why I'm recommending it. So Mindy Kayling wrote, direct, 740 00:37:09,942 --> 00:37:13,142 Speaker 3: created this ten produced. Yeah, and she's a funny woman. Right, 741 00:37:13,181 --> 00:37:15,501 Speaker 3: it's a comedy. But the reason why I'm a little 742 00:37:15,502 --> 00:37:17,901 Speaker 3: bit embarrassed about it being my reco is we talked 743 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,302 Speaker 3: a little while ago on the show about the tropes 744 00:37:20,342 --> 00:37:24,142 Speaker 3: you see all around you in mainstream drama, TV, books, whatever, 745 00:37:24,502 --> 00:37:28,142 Speaker 3: and this ticks every box. So Kate Hudson is a 746 00:37:28,142 --> 00:37:30,582 Speaker 3: powerful business woman, but if there is a glass door, 747 00:37:30,622 --> 00:37:32,742 Speaker 3: she will walk into it. If there is a swimming 748 00:37:32,741 --> 00:37:35,181 Speaker 3: pool nearby, she will fall into it, but still look 749 00:37:35,221 --> 00:37:38,341 Speaker 3: really good. Yeah, she has a disastrous love life, you 750 00:37:38,382 --> 00:37:40,341 Speaker 3: know what I mean. She can't drink a drink without 751 00:37:40,342 --> 00:37:42,582 Speaker 3: spilling it down her top. You know, all of that 752 00:37:42,701 --> 00:37:45,542 Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Lots of easy laughs. You can see 753 00:37:45,542 --> 00:37:48,582 Speaker 3: what's going to happen from across the room, maybe from 754 00:37:48,622 --> 00:37:51,582 Speaker 3: another suburb. You can see where the plot's going. But 755 00:37:52,102 --> 00:37:54,661 Speaker 3: the reason I found myself binging it is it is 756 00:37:54,701 --> 00:37:57,422 Speaker 3: the perfect show for a tune now. It just is 757 00:37:57,462 --> 00:37:59,502 Speaker 3: the perfect you not show. And it made me realize 758 00:37:59,502 --> 00:38:01,502 Speaker 3: that one of the reasons why we love all those tropes, 759 00:38:01,982 --> 00:38:03,741 Speaker 3: like you know, hot guy comes in, takes his shirt 760 00:38:03,741 --> 00:38:05,261 Speaker 3: off and you're like, oh, well, they're going to be 761 00:38:05,261 --> 00:38:09,462 Speaker 3: together in like three episodes time, is because they're comforting. 762 00:38:09,741 --> 00:38:12,102 Speaker 3: They're not a mistake. It's not like Mindy Kayling and 763 00:38:12,102 --> 00:38:14,982 Speaker 3: all the smart people in this don't know that those 764 00:38:15,022 --> 00:38:18,862 Speaker 3: things are predictable. It's that give the people what they want, 765 00:38:19,062 --> 00:38:24,702 Speaker 3: give them what they want because they work, They do work, 766 00:38:24,822 --> 00:38:27,102 Speaker 3: and they speak to a fundamental truth, which is that 767 00:38:27,221 --> 00:38:29,181 Speaker 3: all of us feel a little bit like the boss 768 00:38:29,221 --> 00:38:31,502 Speaker 3: lady who runs into a glass door. All of us 769 00:38:31,542 --> 00:38:35,022 Speaker 3: will sometimes inevitably fall into a swimming pool with all 770 00:38:35,062 --> 00:38:37,301 Speaker 3: our friends and all these hot men around us who 771 00:38:37,342 --> 00:38:41,262 Speaker 3: played basketball. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I started watching 772 00:38:41,342 --> 00:38:43,741 Speaker 3: it going like, oh, I don't and then I'd found 773 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:46,301 Speaker 3: myself itching to get back to it. I watched the 774 00:38:46,382 --> 00:38:49,861 Speaker 3: whole thing, perfect long weekend watch. Loved it, loved it. 775 00:38:49,862 --> 00:38:52,422 Speaker 3: It's called Running Point on Netflix. Kate Hudson. 776 00:38:53,142 --> 00:38:56,701 Speaker 1: So I have two kind of recommendations. They go hand 777 00:38:56,741 --> 00:38:58,022 Speaker 1: in hand there, and I'm going to make both of 778 00:38:58,022 --> 00:39:00,701 Speaker 1: you probably a bit angry about my second one. But 779 00:39:01,342 --> 00:39:04,142 Speaker 1: I recently read a book. It's called How to End 780 00:39:04,181 --> 00:39:06,382 Speaker 1: a Love Story by Eulan Kwan. I talked about I 781 00:39:06,422 --> 00:39:09,102 Speaker 1: think on our subscriber episode yesterday about my dating life. 782 00:39:09,102 --> 00:39:11,301 Speaker 1: Haven't been eating that much. And this is a very 783 00:39:11,422 --> 00:39:15,422 Speaker 1: very sexy novel. I've been leaning into the smart This 784 00:39:15,462 --> 00:39:19,021 Speaker 1: isn't about fairies or anything. So people you have read them. 785 00:39:18,942 --> 00:39:22,462 Speaker 3: All so good you have to get on it. 786 00:39:22,502 --> 00:39:24,701 Speaker 1: Oh, you have to get on it anyway. So this 787 00:39:24,741 --> 00:39:27,102 Speaker 1: is written by Ulan Kwan and it's an enemies to 788 00:39:27,142 --> 00:39:29,661 Speaker 1: Lovers trope. I know we talk about tropes. This is 789 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:33,062 Speaker 1: a big trope. Stars Helen and Grant. She is a 790 00:39:33,062 --> 00:39:35,702 Speaker 1: writer of novels, he is a writer of TV shows. 791 00:39:35,902 --> 00:39:39,261 Speaker 1: They're destined to be together, except they already know each 792 00:39:39,261 --> 00:39:43,382 Speaker 1: other from high school, where a tragedy has brought them together. 793 00:39:43,862 --> 00:39:46,622 Speaker 3: And now it's really good. I read it in like 794 00:39:46,622 --> 00:39:46,941 Speaker 3: a day. 795 00:39:46,982 --> 00:39:48,701 Speaker 1: It's one of those novels that you just can't put 796 00:39:48,741 --> 00:39:50,422 Speaker 1: down because it's just so sexy. 797 00:39:50,582 --> 00:39:51,422 Speaker 2: Is it well written? 798 00:39:51,741 --> 00:39:52,221 Speaker 3: Really well? 799 00:39:52,342 --> 00:39:55,982 Speaker 2: Okay, because that's something I love when it's like great plot, 800 00:39:56,422 --> 00:39:59,862 Speaker 2: feels like you're watching a rom com, but actually really 801 00:39:59,862 --> 00:40:00,462 Speaker 2: beautifully real. 802 00:40:00,622 --> 00:40:03,702 Speaker 1: It's really well done to the point where you picture, 803 00:40:03,741 --> 00:40:06,021 Speaker 1: you know, when you picture the characters in your head 804 00:40:06,062 --> 00:40:07,821 Speaker 1: and you're like, I hope it doesn't turn into a movie, 805 00:40:07,862 --> 00:40:09,342 Speaker 1: because I don't want it to be someone who's not 806 00:40:09,622 --> 00:40:12,542 Speaker 1: head one of those The reason why I'm recommending it 807 00:40:12,582 --> 00:40:15,902 Speaker 1: is because I actually borrowed this book from a library 808 00:40:16,261 --> 00:40:18,902 Speaker 1: which I've now joined for the first time in my life. 809 00:40:19,221 --> 00:40:21,462 Speaker 1: So I had a library down my street and I 810 00:40:21,502 --> 00:40:23,142 Speaker 1: would go into it a few times, and I didn't 811 00:40:23,142 --> 00:40:24,781 Speaker 1: have that many books, so I never really paid that 812 00:40:24,862 --> 00:40:26,901 Speaker 1: much attention to it because I read a lot of books. 813 00:40:26,942 --> 00:40:28,701 Speaker 1: I read really fast. I probably read three to four 814 00:40:28,701 --> 00:40:31,422 Speaker 1: books a month, and so I'm spending a lot of 815 00:40:31,462 --> 00:40:34,582 Speaker 1: money on books. So what I found out about this 816 00:40:34,701 --> 00:40:38,702 Speaker 1: library because I said, I'm so sorry buy books from authors. 817 00:40:39,062 --> 00:40:40,941 Speaker 1: What I found out about this library new means because 818 00:40:40,982 --> 00:40:42,982 Speaker 1: I live in the CBD, and if this is a 819 00:40:43,022 --> 00:40:45,742 Speaker 1: really good reco if you also live in the CBD, 820 00:40:45,822 --> 00:40:47,661 Speaker 1: or you work really close to the CBD, or in 821 00:40:47,701 --> 00:40:49,741 Speaker 1: the CBD is a lot of the libraries in the 822 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:51,942 Speaker 1: city are connected to each other. So there's one in 823 00:40:51,942 --> 00:40:57,301 Speaker 1: like Pot's Point, Newtown, Ultimore, Surry Hills, and now everything's online. 824 00:40:57,382 --> 00:41:00,301 Speaker 1: So I have a library app that I like can 825 00:41:00,342 --> 00:41:02,301 Speaker 1: borrow a book from each one of those libraries, and 826 00:41:02,302 --> 00:41:04,661 Speaker 1: I'll tell me where I am in the queue, and 827 00:41:04,701 --> 00:41:06,781 Speaker 1: you can send the book to the library closest to you, 828 00:41:07,062 --> 00:41:08,502 Speaker 1: and I'll text you when I pick it up. 829 00:41:08,542 --> 00:41:09,902 Speaker 3: So you go in, you say out, I want to 830 00:41:09,902 --> 00:41:11,701 Speaker 3: borrow this book and it's out of stock. You go 831 00:41:11,741 --> 00:41:12,302 Speaker 3: in the queue. 832 00:41:12,422 --> 00:41:14,942 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's all on your phone. Yeah, and then 833 00:41:15,142 --> 00:41:17,102 Speaker 1: messages and then you go just pick it up and 834 00:41:17,102 --> 00:41:17,622 Speaker 1: then you're off. 835 00:41:17,661 --> 00:41:19,982 Speaker 3: Look, we talked about libraries and yesterday subscribe to it 836 00:41:20,022 --> 00:41:22,422 Speaker 3: because Claire's writing in them a lot at the moment, 837 00:41:22,422 --> 00:41:25,062 Speaker 3: and I also used to write the libraries. Libraries are amazing. 838 00:41:25,181 --> 00:41:28,582 Speaker 3: If you're wondering whether or not authors like libraries, of 839 00:41:28,622 --> 00:41:31,661 Speaker 3: course they do because they love books. Do authors get 840 00:41:31,661 --> 00:41:33,221 Speaker 3: paid when you borrow a book from the library, Yes, 841 00:41:33,261 --> 00:41:35,502 Speaker 3: they do. They don't get paid as much as if 842 00:41:35,542 --> 00:41:38,181 Speaker 3: you bought that book, So we do fully support them, 843 00:41:38,221 --> 00:41:40,221 Speaker 3: but every year, but it also free. 844 00:41:40,422 --> 00:41:46,301 Speaker 2: My unpopular opinion is if it's somebody say, Oprah's written 845 00:41:46,342 --> 00:41:48,542 Speaker 2: a book, borrow that from the library. 846 00:41:48,622 --> 00:41:48,861 Speaker 3: Yeah. 847 00:41:48,902 --> 00:41:51,022 Speaker 2: If Hollywayne writes written a book, we buy it from 848 00:41:51,022 --> 00:41:52,022 Speaker 2: an independent bielf. 849 00:41:52,221 --> 00:41:55,102 Speaker 1: Okay, because I do love a library, but I love reading, 850 00:41:55,142 --> 00:41:57,222 Speaker 1: so even this book How to End a Love Story. 851 00:41:57,302 --> 00:41:59,302 Speaker 1: When I really like a book I borrow from the library, 852 00:41:59,342 --> 00:42:00,381 Speaker 1: I have to own it as well. 853 00:42:00,701 --> 00:42:02,102 Speaker 3: I've already bought it. 854 00:42:02,502 --> 00:42:03,502 Speaker 2: You're a good person. 855 00:42:04,342 --> 00:42:06,741 Speaker 3: A massive thank you out loud. As you've got a 856 00:42:06,822 --> 00:42:09,582 Speaker 3: special big show today because obviously it's a long we 857 00:42:09,622 --> 00:42:11,702 Speaker 3: can coming up and we are not leaving you entirely. 858 00:42:11,701 --> 00:42:14,302 Speaker 3: We've actually got a really exciting thing dropping on Friday. 859 00:42:14,342 --> 00:42:16,062 Speaker 3: Then I'm just saying my teacher about but not tell 860 00:42:16,062 --> 00:42:17,942 Speaker 3: you too much more about it. We will have a 861 00:42:17,982 --> 00:42:19,782 Speaker 3: show for you on Friday and Monday, but it won't 862 00:42:19,822 --> 00:42:23,301 Speaker 3: be your typical show. So this is us leaving you 863 00:42:23,382 --> 00:42:25,582 Speaker 3: with all your easy stuff and your recommendations for the 864 00:42:25,582 --> 00:42:27,661 Speaker 3: long weekend. We hope that if you've got time off, 865 00:42:27,661 --> 00:42:30,981 Speaker 3: you enjoy it. As Claire says, and plug relax. Thank 866 00:42:31,022 --> 00:42:32,701 Speaker 3: you to you two for filling in for Mea and 867 00:42:32,781 --> 00:42:33,702 Speaker 3: Jesse this week. 868 00:42:33,982 --> 00:42:34,382 Speaker 2: Thank you. 869 00:42:34,502 --> 00:42:37,062 Speaker 3: Thank you, of course to our brilliant team for putting 870 00:42:37,062 --> 00:42:39,861 Speaker 3: this together, working their asses off as they always do. 871 00:42:40,422 --> 00:42:42,462 Speaker 3: And we'll be back in your ears tomorrow. 872 00:42:42,701 --> 00:42:43,661 Speaker 2: Bye see ya. 873 00:42:44,261 --> 00:42:47,142 Speaker 3: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you 874 00:42:47,302 --> 00:42:50,181 Speaker 3: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing 875 00:42:50,181 --> 00:42:52,661 Speaker 3: to Mamma Mia is the very best way to do it. 876 00:42:52,822 --> 00:42:54,701 Speaker 3: There's a link in the episode description