1 00:00:10,654 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:20,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on Hey friends, I just wanted to give 4 00:00:20,934 --> 00:00:22,934 Speaker 1: you the heads up that in today's episode we do 5 00:00:23,054 --> 00:00:26,854 Speaker 1: discuss sexual assault and child sexual abuse. If these are 6 00:00:26,934 --> 00:00:29,254 Speaker 1: tough topics for you, please take care when listening. 7 00:00:34,014 --> 00:00:34,214 Speaker 2: Hi. 8 00:00:34,374 --> 00:00:37,774 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast, 9 00:00:37,814 --> 00:00:41,214 Speaker 1: The Quickie. What do you think you would have done 10 00:00:41,334 --> 00:00:43,694 Speaker 1: if a younger you, who was looking to crack into 11 00:00:43,734 --> 00:00:46,774 Speaker 1: a career in the entertainment industry were invited to a 12 00:00:46,814 --> 00:00:50,734 Speaker 1: Diddy party? Today we speak to Erica, who found herself 13 00:00:50,814 --> 00:00:53,574 Speaker 1: in that very position as a young model and dancer, 14 00:00:53,934 --> 00:00:56,454 Speaker 1: who tells us a story of how trusting your instincts 15 00:00:56,694 --> 00:00:57,654 Speaker 1: can be life saving. 16 00:00:57,974 --> 00:00:59,294 Speaker 2: Not only would I have been at the party, I 17 00:00:59,294 --> 00:01:01,094 Speaker 2: would have been with Diddy. I would have met everyone 18 00:01:01,094 --> 00:01:03,534 Speaker 2: because I was auditioning. I would have been in the 19 00:01:03,574 --> 00:01:05,894 Speaker 2: middle of all of that. And as I love people 20 00:01:05,894 --> 00:01:08,734 Speaker 2: and I'm a charismatic person, naturally I know I would 21 00:01:08,734 --> 00:01:09,534 Speaker 2: have been in a lot of tries. 22 00:01:10,374 --> 00:01:12,894 Speaker 1: But before we find out what happened to Erica, here's 23 00:01:12,894 --> 00:01:15,614 Speaker 1: the letters from the Quikie Newsroom with Grace Ruvray, Friday, 24 00:01:15,654 --> 00:01:16,334 Speaker 1: November one. 25 00:01:16,974 --> 00:01:20,454 Speaker 3: Australians fleeing domestic violence could find it easier to divorce 26 00:01:20,494 --> 00:01:23,854 Speaker 3: their partners under sweeping family law changes set to pass 27 00:01:23,894 --> 00:01:27,494 Speaker 3: Federal Parliament. More than eighty percent of applications for parenting 28 00:01:27,574 --> 00:01:31,134 Speaker 3: or property related orders contain allegations of family violence, and 29 00:01:31,214 --> 00:01:33,774 Speaker 3: women who have experienced violence may not receive a fair 30 00:01:33,854 --> 00:01:37,574 Speaker 3: division of property and could suffer long term financial consequences. 31 00:01:38,014 --> 00:01:40,454 Speaker 3: But a federal government bill will make it easier and 32 00:01:40,534 --> 00:01:44,534 Speaker 3: safer to navigate a divorce. Under the amendments, economic consequences 33 00:01:44,534 --> 00:01:47,694 Speaker 3: of family violence can be considered by courts when resolving 34 00:01:47,734 --> 00:01:51,334 Speaker 3: property and financial aspects of a divorce, and case management 35 00:01:51,374 --> 00:01:55,174 Speaker 3: will be improved to reduce costs and stress. The laws 36 00:01:55,214 --> 00:01:58,014 Speaker 3: could also prevent perpetrators from using the legal system to 37 00:01:58,054 --> 00:02:00,974 Speaker 3: abuse their former partners through means like disclosing private and 38 00:02:01,014 --> 00:02:04,894 Speaker 3: sensitive records in court. A Senate committee report into the legislation, 39 00:02:04,974 --> 00:02:08,694 Speaker 3: released on Thursday shows has support across the major political parties. 40 00:02:09,534 --> 00:02:13,854 Speaker 3: Property prices have dipped slightly, mirroring Melbourne's downturn and offering 41 00:02:13,894 --> 00:02:18,054 Speaker 3: relief for prospective home buyers Nationally core Logic's Home Value 42 00:02:18,094 --> 00:02:21,254 Speaker 3: index row zero point three percent in October, marking a 43 00:02:21,334 --> 00:02:24,414 Speaker 3: year of growth, though the pace has now slowed. Rent 44 00:02:24,414 --> 00:02:27,494 Speaker 3: growth is also easing, especially in apartments across major cities, 45 00:02:27,534 --> 00:02:31,294 Speaker 3: which could benefit inflation. Increased property stock is giving buyers 46 00:02:31,334 --> 00:02:34,494 Speaker 3: more options, contributing to Sydney's first decline in two years. 47 00:02:34,934 --> 00:02:38,294 Speaker 3: Affordability limits a capping price growth even in strong markets 48 00:02:38,294 --> 00:02:41,974 Speaker 3: like Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane. While a national downturn is possible, 49 00:02:42,174 --> 00:02:47,374 Speaker 3: anticipated interest rate cuts may help stabilize prices. Pauline Hanson 50 00:02:47,414 --> 00:02:50,734 Speaker 3: will soon learn if telling Green's Senator Marine Ferruki to 51 00:02:50,814 --> 00:02:55,014 Speaker 3: piss off back to Pakistan constitutes racial discrimination. Feruki, a 52 00:02:55,054 --> 00:02:58,294 Speaker 3: Muslim senator, launched legal action after the One Nation Leader's 53 00:02:58,294 --> 00:03:01,214 Speaker 3: tweet in response to Ferruki's comment on Queen Elizabeth's death. 54 00:03:01,694 --> 00:03:05,814 Speaker 3: Hanson claims she was engaging in political discourse, not racial discrimination, 55 00:03:06,214 --> 00:03:09,854 Speaker 3: and said she was unaware Ferruki was Muslim. However, Ruckie 56 00:03:09,854 --> 00:03:13,774 Speaker 3: provided evidence of her public Muslim identity, including past communications 57 00:03:13,774 --> 00:03:16,854 Speaker 3: with Hanson. Justice Angus Stewart is expected to issue a 58 00:03:16,934 --> 00:03:20,614 Speaker 3: ruling on the case on Friday. Liam Payne's first posthumous 59 00:03:20,654 --> 00:03:23,454 Speaker 3: single do No Wrong has been put on hold out 60 00:03:23,454 --> 00:03:26,534 Speaker 3: of respect for the star's grieving family. The One Direction 61 00:03:26,614 --> 00:03:29,534 Speaker 3: singer died in Argentina earlier in October after falling from 62 00:03:29,534 --> 00:03:33,174 Speaker 3: a hotel balcony, and Grammy Award winning producer Sam Pounds 63 00:03:33,494 --> 00:03:35,814 Speaker 3: later confirmed he was planning to release the track they 64 00:03:35,854 --> 00:03:39,454 Speaker 3: made together to eclipse negative echoes of the tragedy, but 65 00:03:39,534 --> 00:03:42,454 Speaker 3: Pounds now confirmed he's canceled the release to give Pain's 66 00:03:42,494 --> 00:03:45,454 Speaker 3: relatives more time to grieve. In a message posted on 67 00:03:45,694 --> 00:03:48,694 Speaker 3: x and Instagram, Pounds wrote, today I'm deciding to hold 68 00:03:48,814 --> 00:03:51,414 Speaker 3: do No Wrong and leave those liberties up to all 69 00:03:51,454 --> 00:03:54,934 Speaker 3: family members. Pounds previously insisted he wanted to share the 70 00:03:54,974 --> 00:03:57,654 Speaker 3: song with the world to provide some healing power for 71 00:03:57,734 --> 00:04:01,014 Speaker 3: Paine's loved ones and his fans. Pain had recorded a 72 00:04:01,054 --> 00:04:03,934 Speaker 3: follow up to his twenty nineteen debut album LP one, 73 00:04:04,094 --> 00:04:07,614 Speaker 3: but reports suggested the record was shelved after the first single, Teardrops, 74 00:04:07,654 --> 00:04:08,894 Speaker 3: failed to chart in March. 75 00:04:09,854 --> 00:04:12,294 Speaker 1: Thanks Grace, That's what's going on in the world today. Next, 76 00:04:12,334 --> 00:04:14,974 Speaker 1: we find out what happened to Erica, a young woman 77 00:04:15,054 --> 00:04:17,614 Speaker 1: trying to make something of her career, when an invite 78 00:04:17,694 --> 00:04:33,374 Speaker 1: landed to a party at Ditty's House Sean Dittycombe's notorious parties, 79 00:04:33,574 --> 00:04:37,334 Speaker 1: once celebrated as exclusive a list gatherings, have come under 80 00:04:37,374 --> 00:04:42,654 Speaker 1: intense scrutiny following allegations of systematic abuse, drugging, and sexual assault. 81 00:04:43,574 --> 00:04:46,414 Speaker 1: The infamous White Parties, which began in the Hamptons in 82 00:04:46,454 --> 00:04:50,294 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, featured a list celebrity guests, all adhering 83 00:04:50,334 --> 00:04:51,814 Speaker 1: to an all white dress code. 84 00:04:52,014 --> 00:04:55,654 Speaker 3: Everybody no, ain't no party like a Diddy party, So yeah, that's. 85 00:04:58,734 --> 00:05:00,894 Speaker 1: The photos are a who's who of the time in 86 00:05:00,934 --> 00:05:05,774 Speaker 1: the entertainment business. Leonardo DiCaprio, the Kardashian Sisters, Russell Brand, 87 00:05:05,814 --> 00:05:09,614 Speaker 1: Paris Hilton, Ashton Kutcher, Donald Trump, his daughter, tiff n 88 00:05:09,974 --> 00:05:14,094 Speaker 1: L COOLJ, Tommy Lee, jay Z, Mariah Carey, Howard Stern, 89 00:05:14,214 --> 00:05:18,574 Speaker 1: Kelly Osborne, and many more. While appearing glamorous on the surface, 90 00:05:18,894 --> 00:05:22,294 Speaker 1: former attendees and staff have revealed a darker reality of 91 00:05:22,374 --> 00:05:26,494 Speaker 1: coercion and non consensual acts that allegedly occurred at many 92 00:05:26,494 --> 00:05:31,134 Speaker 1: of these events. According to multiple lawsuits, these gatherings followed 93 00:05:31,174 --> 00:05:35,254 Speaker 1: a disturbing pattern. Drinks were allegedly spiked with drugs, including 94 00:05:35,334 --> 00:05:39,694 Speaker 1: GHB and a substance known as trank to lower attendees inhibitions. 95 00:05:40,054 --> 00:05:43,334 Speaker 1: Many victims report being unable to remember how they got home. 96 00:05:44,054 --> 00:05:46,134 Speaker 1: A former dancer at the White parties in the early 97 00:05:46,174 --> 00:05:50,054 Speaker 1: two thousands reported feeling pressured to comply with demands under 98 00:05:50,134 --> 00:05:51,574 Speaker 1: threat of career destruction. 99 00:05:52,094 --> 00:05:54,174 Speaker 3: I felt that if I didn't comply, the music mogul 100 00:05:54,174 --> 00:05:56,414 Speaker 3: would ruin my music career, of which he had promised 101 00:05:56,414 --> 00:05:57,374 Speaker 3: he would help me build. 102 00:05:58,574 --> 00:06:01,374 Speaker 1: Many of the aforementioned celebrities who did attend the White 103 00:06:01,374 --> 00:06:05,134 Speaker 1: parties have remained conspicuously quiet about the things they did 104 00:06:05,214 --> 00:06:07,814 Speaker 1: and saw, But it needs to be made very clear 105 00:06:08,014 --> 00:06:10,454 Speaker 1: that none of the celebrities pictured in those photos or 106 00:06:10,534 --> 00:06:13,734 Speaker 1: mentioned here have been accused of any wrongdoing, and Sean 107 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:16,734 Speaker 1: Combs remains the only one connected to these parties to 108 00:06:16,774 --> 00:06:21,214 Speaker 1: be charged with any criminal activity. Federal investigators have also 109 00:06:21,254 --> 00:06:24,814 Speaker 1: uncovered evidence of events dubbed free Cops, where sexual acts 110 00:06:24,854 --> 00:06:30,174 Speaker 1: involving drugs and prostitutes allegedly occurred at hotels. Prosecutors claimed 111 00:06:30,174 --> 00:06:35,054 Speaker 1: Combs recorded these acts to blackmail participants into silence. Two 112 00:06:35,174 --> 00:06:37,934 Speaker 1: women who say their party planners who worked on Ditty 113 00:06:37,974 --> 00:06:40,574 Speaker 1: parties revealed that there were strict rules as to who 114 00:06:40,574 --> 00:06:44,414 Speaker 1: could attend these free coughs. Speaking to The New York 115 00:06:44,454 --> 00:06:47,174 Speaker 1: Post and choosing to remain anonymous, the women say that 116 00:06:47,214 --> 00:06:49,334 Speaker 1: those who were asked to attend had to be young 117 00:06:49,454 --> 00:06:52,374 Speaker 1: and hot, saying they would keep scales on hand to 118 00:06:52,494 --> 00:06:55,614 Speaker 1: ensure they adhered to strict weight requirements. They say the 119 00:06:55,654 --> 00:06:59,054 Speaker 1: target was one hundred and forty pounds or sixty three kilos. 120 00:06:59,374 --> 00:07:01,854 Speaker 1: Unless the girl was very tall. For her there would 121 00:07:01,894 --> 00:07:05,894 Speaker 1: be exceptions. There was a strict dress code too, no pants, 122 00:07:06,014 --> 00:07:09,574 Speaker 1: no genes, no flat shoes, stilettos only. Dresses had to 123 00:07:09,454 --> 00:07:12,734 Speaker 1: be short, preferably just enough to cover her butt cheeks, 124 00:07:12,814 --> 00:07:16,254 Speaker 1: but no longer than mid thigh. Cleavage had to be showing. 125 00:07:17,094 --> 00:07:19,734 Speaker 1: The women say everything was done to organize these events 126 00:07:19,774 --> 00:07:22,614 Speaker 1: on a don't ask, don't tell basis, and those who 127 00:07:22,614 --> 00:07:25,334 Speaker 1: were invited were often not aware of what would happen 128 00:07:25,374 --> 00:07:28,614 Speaker 1: once they got there. There are also many men and 129 00:07:28,614 --> 00:07:31,574 Speaker 1: women out there who are only just now realizing that 130 00:07:31,694 --> 00:07:34,934 Speaker 1: they may have dodged a bullet, like Australian mindset and 131 00:07:34,974 --> 00:07:39,454 Speaker 1: confidence coach and best selling author Erica Kramer, Erica, can 132 00:07:39,494 --> 00:07:42,174 Speaker 1: you take us back to two thousand and seven? What 133 00:07:42,214 --> 00:07:44,214 Speaker 1: was happening in the life of a young Erica back then. 134 00:07:44,974 --> 00:07:47,454 Speaker 2: Well, it was a very hectic time. Unfortunately. The year 135 00:07:47,454 --> 00:07:50,534 Speaker 2: before then, my husband had passed away in a really 136 00:07:50,614 --> 00:07:54,454 Speaker 2: traumatic accident drinking and driving, and the year before that 137 00:07:54,534 --> 00:07:56,694 Speaker 2: we had an accident drinking and driving where I've broken 138 00:07:56,734 --> 00:07:59,894 Speaker 2: my back. So I was in recovery. I was getting 139 00:07:59,894 --> 00:08:02,734 Speaker 2: my second wind of life and then losing my husband. 140 00:08:02,734 --> 00:08:05,174 Speaker 2: I really, to be honest, wasn't a blackout. I kind 141 00:08:05,174 --> 00:08:08,054 Speaker 2: of blurred those three years after two thousand and six 142 00:08:08,214 --> 00:08:12,734 Speaker 2: and was just looking to grip onto some kind of validation. 143 00:08:12,974 --> 00:08:16,494 Speaker 2: I was lonely, I was seeking. I was very lost 144 00:08:16,654 --> 00:08:19,054 Speaker 2: at that time in two thousand and seven, unfortunately. 145 00:08:19,614 --> 00:08:22,174 Speaker 1: So part of that process, though, you start to get 146 00:08:22,214 --> 00:08:24,174 Speaker 1: back out into the world and you start to look 147 00:08:24,214 --> 00:08:27,054 Speaker 1: into a career in modeling and dancing. How did that 148 00:08:27,094 --> 00:08:27,574 Speaker 1: come about? 149 00:08:27,854 --> 00:08:30,214 Speaker 2: Yeah, so funny. I was actually in the military for 150 00:08:30,254 --> 00:08:32,414 Speaker 2: ten years. I was in the United States Army, in 151 00:08:32,454 --> 00:08:34,734 Speaker 2: the full Army get up with my boots and everything. 152 00:08:35,134 --> 00:08:37,334 Speaker 2: And I decided when I broke my back in two 153 00:08:37,334 --> 00:08:40,174 Speaker 2: thousand and five that I wanted to do something else. 154 00:08:40,214 --> 00:08:41,734 Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I doing in the military. I 155 00:08:41,774 --> 00:08:44,614 Speaker 2: should be doing something else. I joined hair school, I 156 00:08:44,614 --> 00:08:47,094 Speaker 2: went to the pal Mitchell Academy at night and on 157 00:08:47,134 --> 00:08:49,654 Speaker 2: the weekends. A friend of mine started doing modeling and 158 00:08:49,694 --> 00:08:51,254 Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, I'd love this. I want to be 159 00:08:51,254 --> 00:08:53,614 Speaker 2: a performer. It was kind of like my exit out 160 00:08:53,614 --> 00:08:55,694 Speaker 2: of the military. So I had a backup Plan B, 161 00:08:56,094 --> 00:08:58,894 Speaker 2: which was hair school, and Plan C was the modeling, 162 00:08:58,974 --> 00:09:01,854 Speaker 2: and so it started kicking off. I lived in Florida, 163 00:09:02,014 --> 00:09:04,894 Speaker 2: I was in Miami where all the music videos happened. 164 00:09:05,134 --> 00:09:07,734 Speaker 2: I'm a Spanish woman, I'm a Latina, and so the 165 00:09:07,854 --> 00:09:11,294 Speaker 2: Latin scene was really kicking off for music videos MTV three, 166 00:09:11,694 --> 00:09:13,974 Speaker 2: and I just kept going to auditions and getting on 167 00:09:14,054 --> 00:09:17,894 Speaker 2: magazine covers and it was a very exciting but hectic time. 168 00:09:18,294 --> 00:09:21,174 Speaker 1: What was that like for a woman to be involved 169 00:09:21,174 --> 00:09:24,094 Speaker 1: in those music video shoots? Because it sort of looks 170 00:09:24,134 --> 00:09:28,054 Speaker 1: concurrently like so much fun but also incredibly professional, but 171 00:09:28,094 --> 00:09:30,614 Speaker 1: also maybe a little bit hectic, Like what's that experience? 172 00:09:30,774 --> 00:09:34,694 Speaker 2: Like, yes, so it's funny. I don't know where this 173 00:09:34,774 --> 00:09:36,734 Speaker 2: came from, to be Honestclare, but I was like, I 174 00:09:36,774 --> 00:09:38,774 Speaker 2: am not going to be the one t toorking. I 175 00:09:38,814 --> 00:09:42,414 Speaker 2: love people, right, I've always been a very charismatic, magnetic 176 00:09:42,534 --> 00:09:44,374 Speaker 2: lover of people, and so I would make friends with 177 00:09:44,454 --> 00:09:46,734 Speaker 2: these directors, and I was always like, hey, I'm cool 178 00:09:46,774 --> 00:09:48,454 Speaker 2: to be like the cute girl standing there, but I'm 179 00:09:48,454 --> 00:09:50,174 Speaker 2: not going to be shaking my booty. I'm not going 180 00:09:50,214 --> 00:09:52,134 Speaker 2: to be doing the thing that over there's doing. That's 181 00:09:52,134 --> 00:09:53,654 Speaker 2: not me. And they were like cool. So I had 182 00:09:53,654 --> 00:09:56,494 Speaker 2: these boundaries already, and I had my I guess, Spidey 183 00:09:56,574 --> 00:09:59,494 Speaker 2: sense of what felt okay and what didn't. I had 184 00:09:59,534 --> 00:10:02,614 Speaker 2: been sexually abused growing up, and my mom was always 185 00:10:02,614 --> 00:10:06,054 Speaker 2: somebody in my ear saying, hey, your body, autonomy, respect yourself, 186 00:10:06,294 --> 00:10:08,894 Speaker 2: tell me if anything happens. So I really had that, 187 00:10:09,054 --> 00:10:11,614 Speaker 2: and so it was hectic for a lot of the women. 188 00:10:11,654 --> 00:10:13,974 Speaker 2: And unfortunately in that day and age, and I don't 189 00:10:13,974 --> 00:10:15,534 Speaker 2: know how it is now because I live in Australia, 190 00:10:15,574 --> 00:10:18,974 Speaker 2: but we were as women throwing ourselves to these jobs 191 00:10:19,094 --> 00:10:22,174 Speaker 2: for nothing. Women weren't getting paid. There was an abundance 192 00:10:22,214 --> 00:10:24,894 Speaker 2: of women who were dying to be on magazine covers 193 00:10:24,894 --> 00:10:27,774 Speaker 2: and music videos, and nobody was getting paid because there 194 00:10:27,814 --> 00:10:29,894 Speaker 2: was too many of us in America doing this. 195 00:10:30,094 --> 00:10:33,014 Speaker 1: I guess I can understand then, when an opportunity arises 196 00:10:33,014 --> 00:10:36,334 Speaker 1: that potentially not only fits the bill for that validation, 197 00:10:36,414 --> 00:10:40,254 Speaker 1: but also potentially could be a big payday too. So 198 00:10:40,334 --> 00:10:43,974 Speaker 1: when an invite like something to audition for Diddy's reality 199 00:10:43,974 --> 00:10:46,534 Speaker 1: show comes along, you would absolutely jump at it. 200 00:10:46,814 --> 00:10:48,934 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was crazy. I was actually modeling, and 201 00:10:48,974 --> 00:10:51,534 Speaker 2: I was starting to be known in South Florida for 202 00:10:51,614 --> 00:10:55,174 Speaker 2: what I was doing and literally still in the military. Okay, 203 00:10:55,294 --> 00:10:57,414 Speaker 2: it was just crazy. One of my friends was a 204 00:10:57,494 --> 00:11:00,334 Speaker 2: DJ in Orlando, Florida, and he messaged me these were 205 00:11:00,334 --> 00:11:03,374 Speaker 2: the MySpace days where I literally paid someone two hundred 206 00:11:03,374 --> 00:11:06,294 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars to make a really cool MySpace. So 207 00:11:06,294 --> 00:11:08,334 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I had like the coolest MySpace in 208 00:11:08,374 --> 00:11:11,534 Speaker 2: South Florida. And somebody noticed and they hit him up 209 00:11:11,534 --> 00:11:14,054 Speaker 2: and said, hey, who's this girl. We have this audition 210 00:11:14,134 --> 00:11:16,254 Speaker 2: for making the band. I think should be great. So 211 00:11:16,294 --> 00:11:18,094 Speaker 2: when he messaged me, I'm like, listen, I'm not a singer. 212 00:11:18,174 --> 00:11:20,254 Speaker 2: I wish I could sing. I love dancing, but I 213 00:11:20,294 --> 00:11:22,174 Speaker 2: can't sing. And he put me in contact with this 214 00:11:22,214 --> 00:11:23,734 Speaker 2: guy and the guy was like, you're not really going 215 00:11:23,814 --> 00:11:25,974 Speaker 2: to sing. You're more going to be a backup dancer. 216 00:11:26,174 --> 00:11:28,214 Speaker 2: The other girls will be the main singers, but I 217 00:11:28,254 --> 00:11:31,014 Speaker 2: really think you should audition for this. So I thought 218 00:11:31,014 --> 00:11:33,054 Speaker 2: this is a bit cool. Mind you. My husband had 219 00:11:33,054 --> 00:11:36,974 Speaker 2: passed away. I was really blurry. I was seeking external validation. 220 00:11:37,054 --> 00:11:39,774 Speaker 2: I was trying to feel something and do something, and 221 00:11:39,894 --> 00:11:42,254 Speaker 2: this seemed so exciting, and it was going into the 222 00:11:42,334 --> 00:11:44,414 Speaker 2: realm of where I thought it. I thought I wanted 223 00:11:44,414 --> 00:11:47,414 Speaker 2: to go, which was like acting performing, and so I'm like, 224 00:11:47,454 --> 00:11:50,014 Speaker 2: I'm going to do this. I started taking dance classes 225 00:11:50,014 --> 00:11:52,694 Speaker 2: and high heels and it kept me busy. It was 226 00:11:52,774 --> 00:11:56,414 Speaker 2: really fun. And then we chatted on the phone, me 227 00:11:56,454 --> 00:11:59,054 Speaker 2: and him, and he said to me, Hey, did he's 228 00:11:59,054 --> 00:12:02,134 Speaker 2: having a white party in Miami. You should come now. Orlando, 229 00:12:02,174 --> 00:12:04,454 Speaker 2: Florida is a three hour drive to Miami. I've done 230 00:12:04,494 --> 00:12:07,294 Speaker 2: it so many times. I'm like, easy, that's going to 231 00:12:07,374 --> 00:12:09,974 Speaker 2: be so cool. This will be so fun. I imagine 232 00:12:09,974 --> 00:12:11,374 Speaker 2: who's going to be there. This will be a great 233 00:12:11,454 --> 00:12:13,854 Speaker 2: chance for me to meet more people and get more 234 00:12:13,894 --> 00:12:17,574 Speaker 2: gigs and possibly completely leave the military behind. What I 235 00:12:17,654 --> 00:12:20,894 Speaker 2: didn't realize was that instead of me driving there, he 236 00:12:21,014 --> 00:12:22,734 Speaker 2: was like, We're going to book you a flight, and 237 00:12:22,774 --> 00:12:25,854 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's weird. Nobody flies to Miami at that time. 238 00:12:25,894 --> 00:12:28,294 Speaker 2: We all just drove down and I was like, okay, 239 00:12:28,294 --> 00:12:29,854 Speaker 2: you sure. I'm happy to drive. He's like, no, just 240 00:12:29,854 --> 00:12:31,574 Speaker 2: come to the airport. We'll get a flight to pick 241 00:12:31,614 --> 00:12:33,734 Speaker 2: you up. And so I'm like, all right, I'm at 242 00:12:33,774 --> 00:12:36,334 Speaker 2: the airport and I don't know what it was, but 243 00:12:36,374 --> 00:12:38,734 Speaker 2: he sent me a message while I was literally waiting 244 00:12:38,774 --> 00:12:41,494 Speaker 2: to check in, and he said, hey, can you send 245 00:12:41,494 --> 00:12:43,814 Speaker 2: me a photo of you that's not on MySpace? And 246 00:12:43,814 --> 00:12:45,374 Speaker 2: he was with a group of people. I could hear 247 00:12:45,374 --> 00:12:48,174 Speaker 2: the guys in the background. First of all, I got angry, 248 00:12:48,214 --> 00:12:50,454 Speaker 2: It got really pissed off. Something in me just got 249 00:12:50,494 --> 00:12:52,934 Speaker 2: really frustrated, and I'm like, excuse me, Like what is 250 00:12:52,974 --> 00:12:55,414 Speaker 2: he asking me for? Mind you, all my photos are 251 00:12:55,454 --> 00:12:58,534 Speaker 2: me and bathing suits, bikinis, it's all modeling photos. And 252 00:12:58,574 --> 00:13:00,574 Speaker 2: I just got really pissed off and offended and I'm like, 253 00:13:00,654 --> 00:13:02,174 Speaker 2: what are you asking me? And he was just like, 254 00:13:02,214 --> 00:13:04,534 Speaker 2: you know, a photo that's not on there? And I 255 00:13:04,574 --> 00:13:06,334 Speaker 2: was like, are you asking me for a naked photo 256 00:13:06,334 --> 00:13:09,334 Speaker 2: of myself? And he got his backup instantly like no, 257 00:13:09,534 --> 00:13:11,494 Speaker 2: well that's not what I mean. And I knew. I 258 00:13:11,494 --> 00:13:13,654 Speaker 2: could just feel, you know, when you know something feels off, 259 00:13:13,734 --> 00:13:15,934 Speaker 2: and I'm like, this feels off. I feel like I'm 260 00:13:15,934 --> 00:13:18,054 Speaker 2: on the speakerphone. I feel like there's people around you 261 00:13:18,534 --> 00:13:20,734 Speaker 2: and now I'm going to be going to this party, 262 00:13:20,774 --> 00:13:23,294 Speaker 2: and I was just like nah, and instantly that feeling 263 00:13:23,334 --> 00:13:26,134 Speaker 2: of no way, this doesn't feel good. I was just like, 264 00:13:26,174 --> 00:13:28,214 Speaker 2: I'm not going. And I left the airport and I 265 00:13:28,254 --> 00:13:31,014 Speaker 2: went home, and I was pissed off. And I'm happy 266 00:13:31,054 --> 00:13:33,254 Speaker 2: that I was angry, and I wasn't just offended, because 267 00:13:33,574 --> 00:13:36,094 Speaker 2: the angry part of me really was like, I'm done, 268 00:13:36,214 --> 00:13:39,694 Speaker 2: blocked his number, completely, forgot about it, and was like no, 269 00:13:40,094 --> 00:13:43,934 Speaker 2: kept going with my life, only to realize and see 270 00:13:44,454 --> 00:13:46,534 Speaker 2: just the other day when I was watching stuff on TV, 271 00:13:46,654 --> 00:13:49,134 Speaker 2: it came to me, I'm like, oh, my goodness, I 272 00:13:49,174 --> 00:13:50,974 Speaker 2: would have been at that party. Not only would I've 273 00:13:50,974 --> 00:13:52,534 Speaker 2: been at the party, I would have been with Diddy. 274 00:13:52,574 --> 00:13:54,774 Speaker 2: I would have met everyone because I was auditioning, I 275 00:13:54,814 --> 00:13:56,414 Speaker 2: would have been in the middle of all of that. 276 00:13:56,534 --> 00:13:59,694 Speaker 2: And as I love people and I'm a charismatic person, naturally, 277 00:14:00,214 --> 00:14:01,494 Speaker 2: I know I would have been in a lot of 278 00:14:01,534 --> 00:14:04,774 Speaker 2: trouble and who knows what would have happened. I can't 279 00:14:04,774 --> 00:14:06,574 Speaker 2: imagine it would have been anything good. Based off of 280 00:14:06,614 --> 00:14:07,454 Speaker 2: what we're hearing. 281 00:14:07,214 --> 00:14:10,734 Speaker 1: Now, it seems like you really checked in with your 282 00:14:10,774 --> 00:14:13,534 Speaker 1: intuition in that moment, because I can imagine so many 283 00:14:13,534 --> 00:14:16,614 Speaker 1: of us would have looked at that opportunity as something 284 00:14:16,694 --> 00:14:19,814 Speaker 1: that we could almost overlook some of that weirdness and 285 00:14:19,854 --> 00:14:22,454 Speaker 1: some of those things that kick off our spidy senses 286 00:14:22,494 --> 00:14:25,134 Speaker 1: because the opportunity is so great. Was there ever a 287 00:14:25,214 --> 00:14:27,814 Speaker 1: moment were you second guessed that decision? 288 00:14:28,214 --> 00:14:30,694 Speaker 2: So not that decision, but I think three months prior, 289 00:14:30,774 --> 00:14:32,774 Speaker 2: I had a photo shoot with a photographer in Miami, 290 00:14:33,014 --> 00:14:36,134 Speaker 2: very well known guy, and I had a really weird 291 00:14:36,214 --> 00:14:38,494 Speaker 2: encounter where I felt like I was changing and I 292 00:14:38,494 --> 00:14:40,614 Speaker 2: felt like you took a photo of me and I 293 00:14:40,694 --> 00:14:42,654 Speaker 2: was changing, so I didn't have clothes on, and I 294 00:14:42,694 --> 00:14:44,014 Speaker 2: was like, I'm not going to be a naked model. 295 00:14:44,014 --> 00:14:46,214 Speaker 2: I'm not taking my clothes off. No shade to anyone 296 00:14:46,254 --> 00:14:48,374 Speaker 2: who does. That just wasn't for me. I was clear 297 00:14:48,414 --> 00:14:51,974 Speaker 2: on that, and I had this gross feeling. And I 298 00:14:52,054 --> 00:14:54,894 Speaker 2: remember that feeling of not saying anything, and I had 299 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:57,574 Speaker 2: promised myself months before I'm never going to do that again. 300 00:14:57,574 --> 00:14:59,694 Speaker 2: If I feel unsafe, if I feel like it's yucky, 301 00:14:59,694 --> 00:15:01,454 Speaker 2: if I don't like it, I need a stick up 302 00:15:01,454 --> 00:15:04,414 Speaker 2: for myself. And mind you, I had no self worth. 303 00:15:04,534 --> 00:15:07,534 Speaker 2: I lacked complete confidence. I was in full validation. I mean, 304 00:15:07,574 --> 00:15:09,654 Speaker 2: I know this now based off the work that I 305 00:15:09,654 --> 00:15:13,054 Speaker 2: do with women, that I was looking to be validated. 306 00:15:13,134 --> 00:15:15,574 Speaker 2: I was seeking for men to give me approval and 307 00:15:15,654 --> 00:15:18,574 Speaker 2: I promised you. I don't know what it was besides 308 00:15:18,614 --> 00:15:20,694 Speaker 2: the fact that I was so angry that he would 309 00:15:20,774 --> 00:15:24,214 Speaker 2: dare ask me and disrespect me in that manner that 310 00:15:24,214 --> 00:15:27,934 Speaker 2: that protected me. My anger really protected me. And I'm 311 00:15:28,014 --> 00:15:30,174 Speaker 2: very grateful because after when I left, I wasn't like, oh, 312 00:15:30,214 --> 00:15:32,214 Speaker 2: I'm going to miss out on the opportunity. I was 313 00:15:32,254 --> 00:15:34,174 Speaker 2: just too busy being angry to be honest. I was like, 314 00:15:34,214 --> 00:15:37,614 Speaker 2: who cares? I have so much opportunity and it sucks 315 00:15:37,614 --> 00:15:40,574 Speaker 2: that I can't go to the Diddy party, but there's 316 00:15:40,614 --> 00:15:42,614 Speaker 2: more abundance of things, and this isn't right for me. 317 00:15:42,694 --> 00:15:45,334 Speaker 2: Like I just felt it internally, and I can't even 318 00:15:45,374 --> 00:15:48,254 Speaker 2: say that it's my own. It felt like something outside 319 00:15:48,254 --> 00:15:51,494 Speaker 2: of me. It felt like another power that was like, no, 320 00:15:51,774 --> 00:15:55,054 Speaker 2: this isn't it. That intuition that got feeling was so strong, 321 00:15:55,494 --> 00:15:57,214 Speaker 2: and I was just like, this isn't right. And when 322 00:15:57,254 --> 00:15:58,734 Speaker 2: I walked out of that airport, it was like I 323 00:15:58,774 --> 00:15:59,534 Speaker 2: left it all behind. 324 00:16:00,054 --> 00:16:03,534 Speaker 1: That man who was messaging you. Was he associated with 325 00:16:03,694 --> 00:16:06,214 Speaker 1: did he himself? And did you feel like if you 326 00:16:06,254 --> 00:16:07,854 Speaker 1: didn't go to that party. I know you said you 327 00:16:07,894 --> 00:16:10,014 Speaker 1: blocked him straight after, but if he didn't go to 328 00:16:10,054 --> 00:16:12,694 Speaker 1: that party, then the opportunity to audition for anything for 329 00:16:12,734 --> 00:16:14,614 Speaker 1: this reality show was off the table. 330 00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:17,134 Speaker 2: A one hundred percent. One hundred percent. I think it 331 00:16:17,174 --> 00:16:20,534 Speaker 2: was one of the executive producers and he was one 332 00:16:20,534 --> 00:16:22,814 Speaker 2: of the guys that was casting and getting people together, 333 00:16:23,134 --> 00:16:25,414 Speaker 2: and they used social media a lot, like the social 334 00:16:25,454 --> 00:16:27,334 Speaker 2: media that we had back then, a lot to get 335 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:30,534 Speaker 2: people because my space was such a place where photographers 336 00:16:30,534 --> 00:16:33,974 Speaker 2: and videographers and photoshoot people were kind of connecting to 337 00:16:34,014 --> 00:16:37,134 Speaker 2: do music videos and things. So I knew. I was like, 338 00:16:37,294 --> 00:16:40,214 Speaker 2: this is done, the ditty audition is done. But I 339 00:16:40,254 --> 00:16:43,294 Speaker 2: think for me, since I wasn't hell bent on I 340 00:16:43,414 --> 00:16:45,894 Speaker 2: need to be a backup dancer or a sitinger on 341 00:16:45,934 --> 00:16:48,894 Speaker 2: a TV show, that wasn't my dream. If it was acting, 342 00:16:48,934 --> 00:16:50,814 Speaker 2: I probably would have got sad because I did want 343 00:16:50,854 --> 00:16:53,214 Speaker 2: to do acting. That was the dream, but this wasn't 344 00:16:53,254 --> 00:16:54,774 Speaker 2: in my realm and it came to me at such 345 00:16:54,814 --> 00:16:56,934 Speaker 2: a time where I had just lost my husband. Some 346 00:16:57,174 --> 00:16:59,294 Speaker 2: DJ messaged me about it, so it's kind of like, 347 00:16:59,574 --> 00:17:01,294 Speaker 2: all right, that's fine, it's not going to ruin my 348 00:17:01,374 --> 00:17:05,294 Speaker 2: modeling career. And I really honestly didn't regret it, and 349 00:17:05,334 --> 00:17:07,454 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about it until seeing all the 350 00:17:07,494 --> 00:17:10,414 Speaker 2: horrific stuff come up now with what's happening. 351 00:17:11,254 --> 00:17:13,974 Speaker 1: How do you feel, though, hearing all the stories that 352 00:17:14,014 --> 00:17:16,174 Speaker 1: are now coming out about what allegedly went down at 353 00:17:16,174 --> 00:17:17,934 Speaker 1: those parties? And I presume that there would have been 354 00:17:17,974 --> 00:17:21,734 Speaker 1: people in your world, because you know, in acting or modeling, 355 00:17:21,934 --> 00:17:24,814 Speaker 1: it can be pretty you know tight, you know a 356 00:17:24,814 --> 00:17:27,654 Speaker 1: lot of people, you potentially would have known people who 357 00:17:27,694 --> 00:17:29,494 Speaker 1: got caught up in all of this kind of stuff. 358 00:17:29,574 --> 00:17:33,774 Speaker 1: Were you shocked or were you more like, well, that 359 00:17:33,854 --> 00:17:35,494 Speaker 1: kind of stuff went on and just no one talked 360 00:17:35,494 --> 00:17:35,894 Speaker 1: about it. 361 00:17:36,294 --> 00:17:38,294 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know? I didn't know that that kind 362 00:17:38,294 --> 00:17:40,574 Speaker 2: of stuff went on. And many of these people that 363 00:17:40,614 --> 00:17:44,014 Speaker 2: are predators, they know who to pry on, like they 364 00:17:44,014 --> 00:17:46,374 Speaker 2: can actually tell who is the one that they can 365 00:17:46,414 --> 00:17:49,494 Speaker 2: take advantage of. And I know, I'm not a shy person. 366 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:52,454 Speaker 2: I would have been in the thick of the situation. 367 00:17:52,774 --> 00:17:55,174 Speaker 2: I would have I mean, it's very scary to think 368 00:17:55,214 --> 00:17:58,694 Speaker 2: what would have happened. Because they were allegedly drugging people. 369 00:17:58,934 --> 00:18:01,454 Speaker 2: And I know that that was a thing back then, 370 00:18:01,534 --> 00:18:03,854 Speaker 2: like people will drink something or take some kind of 371 00:18:04,014 --> 00:18:06,614 Speaker 2: date rate pill, and that was very big in Miami 372 00:18:06,654 --> 00:18:10,374 Speaker 2: as well, those xanax and those things, and so who knows. 373 00:18:10,494 --> 00:18:12,254 Speaker 2: I don't know that it would have worked out well 374 00:18:12,254 --> 00:18:12,494 Speaker 2: for me. 375 00:18:12,974 --> 00:18:16,054 Speaker 1: For anyone who's never been able to tune into their gut, 376 00:18:16,654 --> 00:18:20,174 Speaker 1: how would you explain to somebody to listen out for 377 00:18:20,254 --> 00:18:23,014 Speaker 1: that warning signal when it does actually come to you, 378 00:18:23,054 --> 00:18:25,934 Speaker 1: Because sometimes it's easy to ignore it or override it 379 00:18:25,974 --> 00:18:28,334 Speaker 1: with other feelings. How do you identify it? 380 00:18:29,694 --> 00:18:32,054 Speaker 2: Well? I feel like the difference between intuition and fear 381 00:18:32,254 --> 00:18:34,294 Speaker 2: is one of the questions that I've been asked quite 382 00:18:34,294 --> 00:18:38,494 Speaker 2: a lot. And for me, intuition is not loud, it's 383 00:18:38,574 --> 00:18:42,294 Speaker 2: not irrational. It's a feeling. It's a feeling where your 384 00:18:42,294 --> 00:18:45,414 Speaker 2: heart starts skipping a beat, where you feel sweaty, where 385 00:18:45,454 --> 00:18:49,414 Speaker 2: you feel unsafe. It's that hyper awareness, like imagine the 386 00:18:49,494 --> 00:18:52,974 Speaker 2: fight or flight you're in hyper awareness. And when I 387 00:18:53,054 --> 00:18:56,574 Speaker 2: had that feeling in my stomach like this doesn't feel good. 388 00:18:57,214 --> 00:18:59,174 Speaker 2: And if we don't check in with ourselves and we 389 00:18:59,334 --> 00:19:01,414 Speaker 2: just look at our minds. We just go, yeah, but 390 00:19:01,494 --> 00:19:04,294 Speaker 2: this is a good idea, and we start to what's 391 00:19:04,334 --> 00:19:07,494 Speaker 2: that word where you start to kind of convince yourself yeah, 392 00:19:07,534 --> 00:19:11,534 Speaker 2: but and you start negotiate. I think that the intuition 393 00:19:11,694 --> 00:19:13,934 Speaker 2: side of things is very silent, and it's a feeling. 394 00:19:14,054 --> 00:19:16,614 Speaker 2: It's a feeling that you get in your stomach, and 395 00:19:17,534 --> 00:19:20,054 Speaker 2: that usually most of the time, I would say almost 396 00:19:20,054 --> 00:19:22,574 Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the time is the correct thing. 397 00:19:22,934 --> 00:19:26,134 Speaker 2: It feels off, something feels weird, it's a hmmm, I 398 00:19:26,174 --> 00:19:28,854 Speaker 2: don't know about that. And when you get that feeling 399 00:19:28,974 --> 00:19:31,534 Speaker 2: or if you can tap into your intuition and listen, 400 00:19:32,014 --> 00:19:34,294 Speaker 2: many of us have so much noise in our heads 401 00:19:34,614 --> 00:19:37,934 Speaker 2: and we don't listen inside. We listen to the noise outside, 402 00:19:37,974 --> 00:19:40,734 Speaker 2: the external noise. And so if we've lived in a 403 00:19:40,774 --> 00:19:44,214 Speaker 2: place where our voice wasn't recognized, a place where we 404 00:19:44,214 --> 00:19:46,454 Speaker 2: weren't valued for what we had to say, you know, 405 00:19:46,494 --> 00:19:49,334 Speaker 2: they say like be seen and not heard to young women, 406 00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:51,774 Speaker 2: and so if we grew up in these places, then 407 00:19:51,854 --> 00:19:53,894 Speaker 2: our intuition could be a whisper and it could be 408 00:19:53,894 --> 00:19:56,454 Speaker 2: really hard to listen to. So I would one hundred 409 00:19:56,454 --> 00:20:00,054 Speaker 2: percent work on trying to tap into the internal feeling 410 00:20:00,094 --> 00:20:02,374 Speaker 2: you have when you meet someone. How do you feel, 411 00:20:02,414 --> 00:20:04,094 Speaker 2: Do you feel safe, do you feel weird? Do you 412 00:20:04,094 --> 00:20:07,094 Speaker 2: feel off? Listen to that. This is the thing that 413 00:20:07,854 --> 00:20:12,054 Speaker 2: literally here in Australia is we're walking down alleyways denying 414 00:20:12,214 --> 00:20:15,054 Speaker 2: the feeling we have. Horrible things are happening to women, 415 00:20:15,574 --> 00:20:18,814 Speaker 2: and we get into relationships with men or with people 416 00:20:19,254 --> 00:20:23,894 Speaker 2: that we feel off. However we don't leave the domestic violence. 417 00:20:23,894 --> 00:20:25,694 Speaker 2: I feel like this feeling that we all have, this 418 00:20:25,814 --> 00:20:28,214 Speaker 2: intuition that we work on, is the thing that saves 419 00:20:28,294 --> 00:20:32,974 Speaker 2: us as women from these relationships and these horrible experiences 420 00:20:33,014 --> 00:20:36,414 Speaker 2: that we could prevent if we had that intuition tapped in. 421 00:20:37,974 --> 00:20:42,014 Speaker 1: The scope of allegations against Sean Combs has expanded dramatically, 422 00:20:42,134 --> 00:20:44,934 Speaker 1: with over one hundred and twenty individuals coming forward with 423 00:20:45,014 --> 00:20:49,254 Speaker 1: claims ranging from violent sexual assault to drug facilitation and 424 00:20:49,294 --> 00:20:52,694 Speaker 1: the sexual abuse of miners. One man came out recently 425 00:20:52,694 --> 00:20:54,734 Speaker 1: claiming that back in two thousand and eight, when he 426 00:20:54,894 --> 00:20:58,494 Speaker 1: was just ten, he also auditioned for that same reality 427 00:20:58,534 --> 00:21:01,494 Speaker 1: TV show, Erica Did. He says he wanted to become 428 00:21:01,534 --> 00:21:04,214 Speaker 1: an actor or a rapper. He claims he performed for 429 00:21:04,294 --> 00:21:06,334 Speaker 1: Diddy in a hotel room on his own, where he 430 00:21:06,374 --> 00:21:08,334 Speaker 1: then alleges he was given a soft drink that he 431 00:21:08,374 --> 00:21:12,414 Speaker 1: believes was drugged before being sexually assaulted. He was allegedly 432 00:21:12,454 --> 00:21:15,494 Speaker 1: told if he told anyone did he would hurt his parents. 433 00:21:16,534 --> 00:21:19,574 Speaker 1: Attorney Tony Busby, who represents many of the alleged victims, 434 00:21:19,814 --> 00:21:22,854 Speaker 1: states these crimes often occurred at ditties or white parties, 435 00:21:23,094 --> 00:21:28,254 Speaker 1: puppy parties, and auditions across La Miami, Manhattan, and the Hamptons. 436 00:21:29,054 --> 00:21:33,054 Speaker 1: The indictment reveals a sophisticated operation where Comes allegedly used 437 00:21:33,054 --> 00:21:37,134 Speaker 1: his business network to facilitate a legal activities. Victims were 438 00:21:37,134 --> 00:21:40,414 Speaker 1: reportedly threatened with blackmail and violence, including the use of 439 00:21:40,454 --> 00:21:44,934 Speaker 1: firearms to maintain their silence. Combs now faces federal charges 440 00:21:44,974 --> 00:21:49,414 Speaker 1: of racketeering, conspiracy, and sex trafficking, with potential sentences of 441 00:21:49,454 --> 00:21:52,814 Speaker 1: at least fifteen years if convicted. He remains in federal 442 00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:56,334 Speaker 1: custody in Brooklyn, having been denied bail twice now while 443 00:21:56,334 --> 00:21:59,134 Speaker 1: awaiting his trial, which is scheduled to start May twenty 444 00:21:59,174 --> 00:22:03,574 Speaker 1: twenty five. Thanks for taking the time to feed your 445 00:22:03,574 --> 00:22:06,694 Speaker 1: mind with us today. Erica's new book, Becoming Magnetic, is 446 00:22:06,774 --> 00:22:09,854 Speaker 1: out January fourteen. If he came to learn some lifelygelessons 447 00:22:09,854 --> 00:22:13,454 Speaker 1: from the woman herself. The quickie is produced by me 448 00:22:13,614 --> 00:22:17,094 Speaker 1: Claire Murphy and our Executive Producer Taylor Strano, with audio 449 00:22:17,134 --> 00:22:18,614 Speaker 1: production by Teag and Sadler