Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mom and Maya
Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this
Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to cancel the
Speaker 1: podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigence charges
Speaker 1: and sentences to them so we can all move on
Speaker 1: with our lives. I'm Klaire Stevens and I'm joined by
Speaker 1: Jesse Stevens and Jesse do you have a lazy girl
Speaker 1: story for us? I do. I have one which I
Speaker 1: feel like is going to be particularly relatable to both
Speaker 1: of us. It is from Claire. Oh but not you,
Speaker 1: it hasn't I. My wedding dress was very fancy, with
Speaker 1: hand beating all over in a big train. At the
Speaker 1: end of the reception, I finally had time for something
Speaker 1: to eat, and I scoffed a few chocolate tarts, inadvertently
Speaker 1: dripping quite a bit of gin ash down the bodice
Speaker 1: of my dress. Because I'm a messy girl as well
Speaker 1: as a lazy girl. Bad Combo tried to wipe up
Speaker 1: the mess the napkin bad idea chocolate now spread over
Speaker 1: a large portion of bodice and embedded in beadwork and
Speaker 1: lace very bad. When I returned from my honeymoon, I
Speaker 1: thought about getting the dress dry cleaned, quoted as three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars ridiculous. I thought I would just
Speaker 1: wash it in my bath tub with some sad wonder
Speaker 1: soap as a friend had done. Has turned out okay.
Speaker 1: I never got around to it, and the wedding dress
Speaker 1: is still hanging in its bag in my wardrobe. This
Speaker 1: year is my twentieth wedding out of entry. I refuse
Speaker 1: to throw out the dress, as I might still get
Speaker 1: around to it one day. She's a lazy girl. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: how long did it take you to dry clean your dress?
Speaker 1: Very long time? And my dress was just in my boot.
Speaker 1: The amount of women with their wedding dress and their
Speaker 1: boot still. Oh you got married weeks ago. Oh your
Speaker 1: children have left time. Oh I know where your wedding
Speaker 1: dress is crumpled in the boot. If you are a
Speaker 1: robber listening, yes, rob cars, rob car? No, because then
Speaker 1: a rubber would rob a car. Take the dress and
Speaker 1: be like, got to get it dry clean before I
Speaker 1: sell it. I know this might be a you know,
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars this dress is worth. It's only going
Speaker 1: to take a few hundred to dry clean it. You
Speaker 1: do make a profit, but there's a job involved. There
Speaker 1: is a job involved, and the job of smelling men
Speaker 1: low because you know I sent my address to Norway.
Speaker 1: You did you sold your dress? Okay, here's something we've
Speaker 1: never talked about. I put mine up, being like anyone
Speaker 1: want to buy no bites? Shit? Well mine only had
Speaker 1: the one bite and she was in Norway? Okay? Was
Speaker 1: I offended? Yeah? You think you're going to put your
Speaker 1: wedding dress up and everyone's going to go this is
Speaker 1: the most beautiful wedding dress ever. I want to look
Speaker 1: like this on my day and everyone's everyone's like, oh nah,
Speaker 1: I think it's dakyo. I'll have a sitting in my wardrobe.
Speaker 1: I would really like the cash. The issue with the
Speaker 1: job of dry cleaning it is an issue of deadline
Speaker 1: because there's no dead There is no deadline. It's just
Speaker 1: my to do list has about four or five jobs
Speaker 1: of which they're just not to a clear deadline. So
Speaker 1: it's like, why would I do that today when I
Speaker 1: could do it tomorrow? Will you do it tomorrow? And no,
Speaker 1: because why would I do that tomorrow when I could
Speaker 1: do it later? And so life goes, and then what
Speaker 1: you've done is you die, and you've left someone the
Speaker 1: job of cleaning your wedding dress, and that person goes,
Speaker 1: why do today when I could do it later? And
Speaker 1: so no, no, what do we hand down through the
Speaker 1: family at your nash covered wedding dress? So lovely?
Speaker 2: You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. The defendants
Speaker 2: are celebrities, the chargers are petty, the rulings are final.
Speaker 1: Jeffy, Today we're talking about Jennifer Ghana. Hi, I'm jen
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner.
Speaker 3: I just watched this down below kissing, and I just floated.
Speaker 2: Home on a cloud.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Jennifer Garner, Jennifer and Ghana. He is an
Speaker 1: American actress who you probably know from her roles in
Speaker 1: TV shows like A Liz and movies like Suddenly Thirty Juno,
Speaker 1: Ghosts of Girlfriend's Past, Valentine's Day, Daredevil, Dallas Fires Club,
Speaker 1: and so on. How many Jennifers have we done? Okay,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Lawrence, Jennifer Anist, Jennifer Aniston for all
Speaker 1: the famous Jennifers. Do you know many in your life? Nah?
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's a generational thing. I think
Speaker 1: it's a disproportionate amount of Jennifers that'd become famous. Mary
Speaker 1: ben affleck care I said it great point. Jesse, what
Speaker 1: is your favorite Jennifer Ghaner movie? And or role? Was
Speaker 1: she in Pearl Harbor? We have discussed that minor role,
Speaker 1: minor role, minor role, but I did like that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say something un popular. I didn't mind. Suddenly thirty,
Speaker 1: Jenna Rink couldn't grow up fast enough, so on her thirteenth.
Speaker 2: Birthday, check us out wishing dust.
Speaker 1: She only made one wish. I a thirteen. I just
Speaker 1: want to be grin. But I struggle with getting my
Speaker 1: head around magic in a film. Yeah, because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to go in order to keep watching this like Freaky Friday,
Speaker 1: in order to keep watching this, I have to I
Speaker 1: have to suspend my belief of how the world works,
Speaker 1: because this isn't possible what's happening. But I've got to
Speaker 1: be invested in you, in your feelings. It feels like
Speaker 1: a plot device, but you've all either had a psychotic
Speaker 1: break in which case that's a plot point, or you're
Speaker 1: gonna wake up. It was all the dream, which is
Speaker 1: deeply unsatisfying, or I've just got to play this game.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can play this game. It's
Speaker 1: not real. So I don't know about that film. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about that film. But my favorite Jennifer
Speaker 1: gana role where I think she just really was herself,
Speaker 1: like this is who I believe her to beat. Was
Speaker 1: her role in Juno.
Speaker 2: Hi Brings You to them All Today.
Speaker 3: I was just shocking, you know, it's my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I thought she played that so well. Is an excellent film.
Speaker 1: It is that I want to watch again, and I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner in it was just so believable. A note
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day, Yeah, she was in it, along with
Speaker 1: literally everyone else Jesse simply everyone, simply everyone. There's also
Speaker 1: a movie called Mother's Day, celebrate the one day no
Speaker 1: matter what's happened between us, here always my mother that
Speaker 1: connects us off or not. Who the world thinks we.
Speaker 3: Are Mother's Day?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, people in that Julia Roberts, Oh gee, lots
Speaker 1: of people. Julia Roberts with a terrible haircut. Okay, because
Speaker 1: the other film, just like Valentine's Day in terms of
Speaker 1: everyone being in it was of course he's just not
Speaker 1: that into And New Year's Eve and News Eve that
Speaker 1: was we went through a stage where was in a
Speaker 1: film and you know what, it was based on Love
Speaker 1: act Love actually. Because on that they will like, imagine
Speaker 1: a film where you just have heaps of famous actors
Speaker 1: on the poster. Yeah, that isn't what made Love actually great.
Speaker 1: It was a great film, absolutely, And then the Americans
Speaker 1: were like, we can do it. We've got twelve actors. Well,
Speaker 1: why don't you sit and write a script for a minute,
Speaker 1: Why don't you write a good script because Valentine's Day
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. They got a bot to do it.
Speaker 1: They got a bot to do it, and it showed tonight.
Speaker 1: The chef is featuring a dish that he likes to
Speaker 1: call the lime Stinking Pig. Also a note, Jennifer Ghana
Speaker 1: was married to Ben Affleck between two thousand and five
Speaker 1: and twenty eighteen, long time, and they have three kids together.
Speaker 1: And there are currently rumors you would know that Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck and j Lo are on the rocks. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe it. And yeah, the theory is that Jennifer Ghana
Speaker 1: has been speaking to Jennifer Lopez and like helping her
Speaker 1: through this and is also speaking to Ben and encouraging
Speaker 1: Ben to stay with Jen because Jen, she's such an
Speaker 1: marriage counselor, is very good for Ben. Jenny is good
Speaker 1: for Ben and she supported him through his addictions. Jen
Speaker 1: lo Pez is good. Oh I think Jenna good for
Speaker 1: Ben too. Yeah. She says Ben, you need Jen, and
Speaker 1: he says, which Jen. She says Jen you're currently married to,
Speaker 1: just for logistical purposes, the one you're that that gen.
Speaker 1: Also for context. She does a lot of gardening on tiktop. Hello, squash,
Speaker 1: there is not your dad. I've been waiting for the
Speaker 1: sunflower seeds to be ready. Cash. She's popping up very hosh.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be less like j Loo. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: that as a slide, No, I just mean that as
Speaker 1: she's in a different place, whereas j Loo is like,
Speaker 1: this is me now on the met Gala garpet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where's Ben, Jen? Where's my Ben? You're Ben? He was
Speaker 1: my Ben. I'm a different Gen. Ben, go back to Jen?
Speaker 1: Which Gen, et cetera? Yeah, it is. My structure for
Speaker 1: today is as follows an awkward call out, a late
Speaker 1: night interview, an uncomfortable question. I love the ambiguity of
Speaker 1: all somebody and suddenly thirty okay good an awkward call out.
Speaker 1: It's two thousand and three. Jennifer Ganna is starring in Alias,
Speaker 1: and she's very, very famous. Jesse, did you ever watch Alias?
Speaker 1: I didn't, but there were girls at school who really
Speaker 1: liked it, and I kind of put it in the
Speaker 1: Buffy camp. M you were an Alias personal? You were
Speaker 1: an Alias person? Was she a spy? Yes? It sounds
Speaker 1: like I would have liked that. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I feel like do I feel like she was a
Speaker 1: magic spye? I feel like there was something in it
Speaker 1: that I just couldn't fully get around. Yeah, I watched it. No,
Speaker 1: I never watched it, but I never watched Buffy either. No.
Speaker 1: So she was doing the rounds because as well as
Speaker 1: promoting Alias, she was promoting her new movie Daredevil, which
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck was also in, and so she was on
Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien. He She asked her if during Alias she
Speaker 1: used any spy skills she learnt from the show in
Speaker 1: real life, and she tells a story about how they
Speaker 1: kept the show's twists from her, like the scripts ahead
Speaker 1: of time. They don't want you to know. Writer's Room
Speaker 1: and it's completely closed off, particularly to actors, particularly to me.
Speaker 1: So she went into the writer's room and read all
Speaker 1: the notes about what was to come, and she used
Speaker 1: spy skills to get into the writer's room. That was
Speaker 1: the story. Christ Sorry. But as she's telling the story,
Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien says.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a time when you snuck into the room.
Speaker 1: And she says, snuck isn't a word, Conan, and you
Speaker 1: went to Harvard and you should know that that's funny. The
Speaker 1: audience cheers, collaps. She finishes the story. Then, after the
Speaker 1: ad break, ConA O'Brien returns holding a dictionary. He points
Speaker 1: out that snuck is a word. It is the past
Speaker 1: tense of sneak. According to Miriam Webster, the original past
Speaker 1: tense of sneak was sneaked, following the pattern of other
Speaker 1: regular verbs. However, snuck began to be used as an
Speaker 1: altar her native past tense form in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: and is now very common. Would you say snuck or sneaked,
Speaker 1: I'd say snuck. I'd say snuck, But I will say
Speaker 1: it's very a white man, I think it's she corrected
Speaker 1: him in the first place. Yeah, but where'd you get
Speaker 1: a dictionary? Like apparently one of the writers run it
Speaker 1: down during the ad break. He does it very well
Speaker 1: because he points it out. She does a bit of
Speaker 1: like an awkward face and then he does like a
Speaker 1: cackle like villain laugh, knuck, pass and pass part of sneak.
Speaker 1: It's not mean to her the way he does it.
Speaker 1: It's like expert, Oh how he does it? Okay, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: So she looks awkward, like purposely performatively awkward. And this
Speaker 1: clip has done the rounds on TikTok and YouTube, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people comment saying she didn't even apologize.
Speaker 1: She didn't even admit she was wrong, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't meant to be funny. It's a show.
Speaker 1: She's acting awkward, it's humor. I will say, I don't
Speaker 1: enjoy being corrected on my past tense in a social setting.
Speaker 1: I don't. And that's what people are saying. They're like,
Speaker 1: she tried to correct him and she was wrong. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was obviously a public interview and she was quite
Speaker 1: funny bring up a Harvard thing. But like I have
Speaker 1: been in conversations and people like it's Luca and I oh,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, me and Luke went to the zoo. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I am my English teacher. I don't
Speaker 1: like it exactly. So yeah, people do get riled up
Speaker 1: about that, think that she's a bit of a princess.
Speaker 1: But I say it's an interesting little back and forth
Speaker 1: and it's just a silly interview. Moving on a late
Speaker 1: night interview. During the same interview, she told a story
Speaker 1: that has gone viral for all the wrong reasons. Speaking
Speaker 1: about Daredevil, she shared an anecdote about how her co
Speaker 1: star Colin Farrell got a bit too aggressive in a
Speaker 1: scene where they were supposed to be kissing and she
Speaker 1: ended up with a swollen lip. The next day, he
Speaker 1: was biting her lip, and she goes on to tell
Speaker 1: this whole story. Was she saying it lightheartedly? Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: She then joked that by the end of shooting the scene,
Speaker 1: Pharrell was treating her lip like a meal and pulling
Speaker 1: it out and putting ketchup on it like a joke
Speaker 1: about how much he was just eating her bottom lip.
Speaker 1: She says that she woke up the next morning and
Speaker 1: she walks into the living room and her husband at
Speaker 1: the time Scott, who she left and ended up with
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck was sitting there in shock, and she says
Speaker 1: that her lip looked like one of those African women
Speaker 1: with a plate in their mouths. Oh no, okay. This
Speaker 1: was two thousand and three, all right, all right, two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, And what has happened is people have
Speaker 1: taken this interview, resurfaced it, put it everywhere. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it now, You wouldn't say it now. I understand
Speaker 1: why it's offensive, because it's saying like, my injury and
Speaker 1: me when I've hurt myself is the same as cultural practice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's quite degrading to the cultural practice. I totally get that.
Speaker 1: But I also see the context and also knowing how
Speaker 1: those interviews are conducted, like that story would have been
Speaker 1: designed by a PR team and she's just kind of
Speaker 1: delivering on it, and it looks a lot worse being
Speaker 1: thrust into our context than it might have. Do you
Speaker 1: know at the time, if it got any backlash?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no backlash in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: And I think that's also because people weren't online, people
Speaker 1: just watching things on a late night show, seeing a comment,
Speaker 1: maybe thinking e and then're moving on. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: kind of got resurfaced and made into a very intentional
Speaker 1: significant thing and has then been combined with a few
Speaker 1: other things that she said, Okay, moving on to an
Speaker 1: uncomfortable question. The other problematic moment that has been resurfaced
Speaker 1: comes from a twenty seventeen chat show. During an episode
Speaker 1: of comedian Chelsea Handler's Netflix talk show Helsey, there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of celebrities sitting around at a dinner party,
Speaker 1: and Handler says, let's talk about our families first, where
Speaker 1: we came from, where our parents came from. Actor Regina King,
Speaker 1: who is black, tells the group that she's from LA
Speaker 1: and she starts talking about how so many people live there. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think I've seen this, yes, but not that many
Speaker 1: people actually grew up in LA.
Speaker 3: And she's saying, one of the few people that are
Speaker 3: born and bred in LA. So that's I think, a
Speaker 3: very cool thing and I kind of wear it on
Speaker 3: my chest very proudly because so many people say, oh,
Speaker 3: LA is in LA? Is it?
Speaker 1: And she talks about how it's interesting being the only
Speaker 1: person who's able to kind of truly say what is
Speaker 1: and isn't La because she had her childhood. There sitting
Speaker 1: across the table from her, Ghana asks, but do you
Speaker 1: know where your ancestors are from?
Speaker 4: King says, oh, well, yeah, we're part of the triangle
Speaker 4: slavery from sier early on, Liberia and Synegal, but my
Speaker 4: parents are both from the South met each other here.
Speaker 1: People got really angry about this, and it was originally
Speaker 1: tweeted with the caption, oh I see why Ben left
Speaker 1: her ass about Jennifer Ganner. Okay, as though Ben Affleck
Speaker 1: who got married in a plantation, it was just so
Speaker 1: much fun. Was the best? Is the gold standard when
Speaker 1: it comes to conversations about race. Yeah, there's been lots
Speaker 1: of analysis about her facial expression and her ignorance in
Speaker 1: this really really short clip, and I completely appreciate that
Speaker 1: it may have been an insensitive or inappropriate question, but
Speaker 1: we don't have all the context. It's edited when not
Speaker 1: seeing a natural conversation. Something I want to point out
Speaker 1: is that Regina King hasn't said anything. Regina King hasn't
Speaker 1: come out I said. Sometimes you can use these clips, though,
Speaker 1: if you're a person of color, you might be using
Speaker 1: this clip to illustrate how uncomfortable that question is and
Speaker 1: how it is asked more of some people than of others,
Speaker 1: because if Jennifer Garanna, for example, had said I'm from
Speaker 1: New York or I'm from New Jersey or whatever, no
Speaker 1: one at the table would have said, yeah, but where
Speaker 1: are your ancestors from? Why? Because she's white, and because
Speaker 1: you associate whiteness with being American, which is inherently racist. Like,
Speaker 1: I do understand the commentary, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: Jennifer Ganner's subjectivity as a white woman in that context
Speaker 1: makes it look good. I'm sure that she would regret
Speaker 1: the way that came across. I think it's an interesting
Speaker 1: example because it really may have been that it was inappropriate. Ye,
Speaker 1: But the context is interesting because some people pointed out
Speaker 1: that her question made a lot more sense in the
Speaker 1: overall context of the show, which was titled My American Experience,
Speaker 1: where the guests were encouraged to discuss their roots, patriotism, religion,
Speaker 1: and modern America's complexities, and they were asked how their
Speaker 1: parents got to America. So she felt like she had
Speaker 1: a license yeah to ask that.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting and it was kind of part of
Speaker 1: the broader conversation. Then again, I do think sometimes it's
Speaker 1: okay to use an example of something and analyze it
Speaker 1: to a straighter point.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what a lot of people
Speaker 1: were doing, saying, this is my experience. People ask me
Speaker 1: this question and it's friggin inappropriate, and you wouldn't ask
Speaker 1: it the other way around. So I think that's also fair.
Speaker 1: I also think it's worth acknowledging that the question doesn't
Speaker 1: mean the same thing to everyone. Yeah, so people asking
Speaker 1: me where are your parents from? Where are your ancestors from?
Speaker 1: Doesn't have the kind of emotional salience that may for
Speaker 1: somebody else. Jesse Suddenly thirty like your shoes, Thanks? I
Speaker 1: like your dress because they've got these incredible boobs to
Speaker 1: fill it out. Suddenly thirty, for reasons unknown, is called
Speaker 1: thirteen going on thirty in the US. Actually, it made
Speaker 1: me slightly intrigued, so I googled it. The movie is
Speaker 1: called thirteen going on thirty in almost every place. Why
Speaker 1: did we call it suddenly thirty here? It makes it
Speaker 1: difficult to have conversations with Americans. Yes, it's thirteen going
Speaker 1: on thirty, I'm pretty sure everywhere except Australian Why because
Speaker 1: distributors thought Australians wouldn't understand. Oh no, the concept slash
Speaker 1: phrase of thirteen going on thirty. They thought we wouldn't
Speaker 1: get that.
Speaker 2: Australians have proven we can understand phrases.
Speaker 1: So they were like, suddenly, thirty, I'm modified. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: a phrase though, Yeah, thirteen going on, I mean, and
Speaker 1: this is the thing. It's like, Oh, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I still don't fully understand the premise. Maybe it's an
Speaker 1: Australian thing. Maybe everyone else in the world is like, oh,
Speaker 1: it totally makes sense. I think it's unrealistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not the title. No, It's like they think
Speaker 1: we don't say going on, But like I listened to
Speaker 1: the Sound of Music soundtrack a lot, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I am sixteen going on seventeen. That's fine, I understand it.
Speaker 1: I can read between the line it means you're sixteen
Speaker 1: and soon you will be seventeen, whereas the title of
Speaker 1: this movie means you're thirteen and oh my gosh, soon
Speaker 1: you'll be thirty because of magic. Yes, now there are
Speaker 1: other movies where this has happened as well. You know
Speaker 1: one of our favorite films, Bad Neighbors. Yes, yes, what
Speaker 1: are you doing.
Speaker 2: We're throwing a Robert de Niro party.
Speaker 1: Should be pretty fucking loud.
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna go pretty fucking late too.
Speaker 1: It was just called neighbors that is in American. In America,
Speaker 1: she is confusing because I'm not going to the movies
Speaker 1: to watch neighbors. Okay, that's on the TV. It's like,
Speaker 1: was it bad neighbors here to avoid confusion with neighbors?
Speaker 1: Or was it bad neighbors here because they're like Australians
Speaker 1: won't understand they're bad. Yeah, yeah, I'll think this is
Speaker 1: just normal neighbors. He They've got to really really make
Speaker 1: things clear for them. These neighbors are bad because they're
Speaker 1: disruptive and they're partying. Or is in Australia that's just
Speaker 1: a neighbor. You don't know me, Yeah, you don't know
Speaker 1: my neighbors. Anyway. It's very very odd and it's quite
Speaker 1: embarrassing that Australia needed a different title. AnyWho, that's not
Speaker 1: why we're here. We're here because Jennifer Gannah stars in it.
Speaker 1: It's arguably her most famous role and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of feelings about I didn't like that scene where she
Speaker 1: did the dance I didn't like it. It made me uncomfortable. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll get to that. Mark Ruffalo's in it. He's hot, man,
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo, more like Mark Buffalo. Sometimes you forget that
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo's in it and he's very sexy. For those
Speaker 1: who haven't seen it, Suddenly thirty, it's a romantic comedy
Speaker 1: and Mark Ruffalo plays love interest Matty. Wh's the thing
Speaker 1: is everyone's seen it? Find me a person hasn't seen it.
Speaker 1: But sometimes people forget the details, all right. A nerdy
Speaker 1: thirteen year old named Jenna desperately wants to be popular,
Speaker 1: so she gets the popular group to come to her
Speaker 1: thirteenth birthday by doing their homework. Her best friend and
Speaker 1: extraor neighbor, Matty, has made a doll house for her
Speaker 1: with his bare hands, and he sprinkles the roof with
Speaker 1: magic wishing dust. I think you're a little bit old
Speaker 1: for a doll's house at thirteen. I think you are two.
Speaker 1: And I think that for the audience who was watching this,
Speaker 1: Like I was a teenager when I watched it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, look, two years ago I believed in magic.
Speaker 1: Does that as moved on? I've moved on. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, still ten believing that my dolls talked to
Speaker 1: each other when I left the room, Like, absolutely, I'll
Speaker 1: play that game as an adolescent. It's been quite beaten
Speaker 1: out of me. And it's like, at thirteen, clearly this
Speaker 1: girl is feeling some things in her pants because she
Speaker 1: wants to hook up with this hot guy. And then
Speaker 1: you've got this boy next door giving you a doll's house,
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, that's a big social obligation to
Speaker 1: act really amazed by your doll's house when really, I
Speaker 1: think you spent a lot of time on that. I
Speaker 1: actually think that's way too full on. It's way too
Speaker 1: full on. It's I don't care about dolls anymore. You
Speaker 1: don't know me. I didn't want that gift. There's something
Speaker 1: very past aggressive about going over the top with a gift. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The popular girls arrive with a group of boys, including
Speaker 1: Jenna's crush Chris, and trick Jenna into believe he's going
Speaker 1: to kiss her in a closet while they leave with
Speaker 1: the completely home work.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: When she discovers what's happened, she gets upset and she says.
Speaker 4: I want to be thirty, thirty and flirty and thriving.
Speaker 1: Would you ever have used those words when you're thirteen?
Speaker 1: I just want to be thirty, flirty and thriving. I've
Speaker 1: been used in many an Instagram all thirtieth birthdays. I
Speaker 1: think at thirteen, I thought thirty was geriatric. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: thirty wasn't fun. Thirty no, no, no no. I won't have
Speaker 1: two working knays. I want how to hit replacement. I'll
Speaker 1: be boring, ugly, but I will have carcies and unlimited
Speaker 1: access to McDonald's, which are true. I get McDonald's today.
Speaker 1: I want to see personally. I never forget. I never
Speaker 1: Sometimes I forget, and then I think you're an adult.
Speaker 1: You can get McDonald's a few times a day. I
Speaker 1: think I can go buy a packet of Lolly's, and
Speaker 1: I do, and I et them, and I think too many.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel sick. That's me, my mum. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now the magic wishing dust falls on her. The following morning,
Speaker 1: she wakes up in an amazing New York apartment, and
Speaker 1: she's thirty, thirty and thriving. She's dating a man she
Speaker 1: doesn't recognize and has no memory of the last seventeen years.
Speaker 1: It turns out she's now best friends with the popular
Speaker 1: girl who is mean to her on her thirteenth birthday,
Speaker 1: and they're both editors at Poise magazine. Oh, Jesse, here
Speaker 1: are some of the ways people find suddenly thirty problematic.
Speaker 1: Now I want to laugh about this, but I also
Speaker 1: want to point out I have massively contributed to this
Speaker 1: culture of over things and tearing them apart. It's fun,
Speaker 1: it's fun, but it is also silly. This is what
Speaker 1: the internet has said. Why didn't anyone express serious concern
Speaker 1: when Jenna just woke up one day and didn't remember
Speaker 1: anything from the age of thirteen. Should she have gone
Speaker 1: to hospital? I would have taken you to hospital if
Speaker 1: I acted like a thirteen year old didn't recognize we've
Speaker 1: both had concussions relatively recently recently, and if those symptoms
Speaker 1: had started bubbling to the surface, I'd say, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: time for brain scam. Yeah, she wakes up the morning
Speaker 1: and she screams, she shrieks at her partner. She generally
Speaker 1: like a bit of an idiot, So her friends are like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just general normal, normal jenner bag. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: hangs out with other thirteen year olds because she's a
Speaker 1: thirteen year old in her soul, But do you think
Speaker 1: grown ups would have thought that was weird? Imagine So
Speaker 1: I turn up to work today and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything post thirteen. Yeah. Also, here's my friend,
Speaker 1: she's thirteen. Yeah, I want to play in a doll's house.
Speaker 1: We're having a sleepover. Yeah. I don't want you sleeping
Speaker 1: in the Yeah, my daughters. Yeah. Yeah. So she has
Speaker 1: a sleepover with a thirteen year old who lives in
Speaker 1: her building, and all her friends and people have said,
Speaker 1: should we be normalized? Thirty year old having a sleep
Speaker 1: over with thirteen year olds? And to that I say,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we are normalized. If it's just
Speaker 1: a mover, This is the point before I go any
Speaker 1: further that I will point out it is simply just
Speaker 1: a movement, and it is made up for purposes of
Speaker 1: fun and for laughing, because the other criticism is that
Speaker 1: it's creepy that Mark Ruffalo's character kisses her when he
Speaker 1: knows she's really thirteen in her mind, Hey you get
Speaker 1: home here.
Speaker 2: It's never quick.
Speaker 3: Got that reaction.
Speaker 1: Before, ah, And it's like, hm, yes, predatory, But should
Speaker 1: we get hung up on it being creepy in that
Speaker 1: it's a scenario that doesn't really have any parallel to
Speaker 1: real life in that it involves magic. What do you think?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's creepy? I hear what they're saying,
Speaker 1: because you know, we are familiar with courtrooms. And if
Speaker 1: there's a situation where someone says I'm a subject to magic, dust,
Speaker 1: I went from thirteen to thirty, but I wasn't mentally thirty.
Speaker 1: I was mentally thirteen because of aforementioned mathematic Dust. Then
Speaker 1: I think you've got to know how to prosecute it.
Speaker 1: So we need to have these ethical conversations because where
Speaker 1: do we land in her body? Yes, she is thirty,
Speaker 1: but in her mind. I think it's a fun chat.
Speaker 1: It's an ethical conundrum Jesse. As you touched on before,
Speaker 1: when you think about the dancers that everyone knows just Thriller,
Speaker 1: Just Thriller, come to mine? Yeah, you know every move
Speaker 1: to Thriller. Oh okay, if I was to I'm going
Speaker 1: to do at the Nutbush, you'll probably be mine. But
Speaker 1: I think the Nutbush is only an Australian thing. But
Speaker 1: they should have adjusted it for Australian audiences and just
Speaker 1: done the nut hood, nutfoot, all thea. That's it, Jesse.
Speaker 1: This is a work party where she's like, h We're
Speaker 1: gonna dance. It's really I don't know. No, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: argue with you on this, idiot, you idiot. The whole
Speaker 1: thing is that it was their childhood, you know how
Speaker 1: every Yeah, but I know people of that generation and Thriller,
Speaker 1: they still don't know what Soldier Boy.
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy.
Speaker 1: Okay, we need to redo it from memory? How we
Speaker 1: need to make that song Soldier Boy. Speaking of problematic,
Speaker 1: there was something about white women doing Soldier Boy on
Speaker 1: stage at that high school. The probably felt we felt
Speaker 1: that felt weird. Then I think, I think, is it
Speaker 1: that not everybody knew Thriller? Or is it that I'm
Speaker 1: just not that connected with the culture, because, for example,
Speaker 1: everyone in our generation could do Soldier Boy. I can't
Speaker 1: do Soldier Boy. I know the basic moves because my
Speaker 1: body is going in the opposite direction plans. That's what
Speaker 1: I'll say about. Okay, I'm doing a bit now, Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: if there was a remake, you just do sold boys.
Speaker 1: I have a question anybody who is the exact same
Speaker 1: age as Jenna in that Filema, which is very close
Speaker 1: to Jennifer Garner's age, which is about fifty. Yep, do
Speaker 1: you know all the moves to thriller? Not just the
Speaker 1: general vibe? Do you know it in that you could
Speaker 1: perform it's semi professionally. Here's the other thing, though, that
Speaker 1: person that you're asking has years in years of memories
Speaker 1: in the way of the thriller. No, no, I know that,
Speaker 1: But so do the people in the movie, because everyone
Speaker 1: in the room can do I'm not questioning that, Jenna, No,
Speaker 1: they're not. They all know it, and they're doing a thing. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think what we should do is find a fifty
Speaker 1: year year old like go and speak to our boss
Speaker 1: mayor Yeah, Holly, and say can you do the thriller
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the whole thing immediately? Yeah? Good point. Investigation. Now,
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie, she comes up up
Speaker 1: with an innovative idea to save the magazine. This innovative
Speaker 1: idea is as follows. She stages a high school yearbook
Speaker 1: photo with non famous people like my best friend's sister
Speaker 1: and your next door neighbor. And it's like, why would
Speaker 1: I buy a magazine with no one I know want to?
Speaker 1: Who'll look at strangers pretending to be in high school
Speaker 1: that are ordinary that's not a thing. It's not a
Speaker 1: good pitch, which brings us to the worst pitch that
Speaker 1: you and I often talk about. So with work often
Speaker 1: like you need to come up with ideas for brands,
Speaker 1: and we have a visceral distaste for one idea. You
Speaker 1: see it everywhere. Every brand comes up with it. Every
Speaker 1: brand comes up with it. They think it's original, they
Speaker 1: think it's powerful, and even though it's worthy, no one cares.
Speaker 1: No one. I'm so sorry, no one cares. What is it?
Speaker 1: Every day here? Everyday heroes? Local heroes?
Speaker 3: Heroes?
Speaker 1: You know what local heroes make the world? What it
Speaker 1: is so important to a community? Will they get people
Speaker 1: to click? Unfortunately, if I said to you, I want
Speaker 1: to tell you about a local hero, you tune out.
Speaker 1: Sou sounds great, tell Danny, I say, well done, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's just not. If the world cared more about
Speaker 1: local heroes, I have no doubt we'd live in a
Speaker 1: better place, Like the world would be a better place.
Speaker 1: They just don't. The thing I'd like to point out
Speaker 1: we have actually been in a situation writing a TV
Speaker 1: show where part of the plot is she has a
Speaker 1: big idea. I've never found anything harder because it's got
Speaker 1: to be it's got to be a good idea. It's
Speaker 1: got to make sense to everyone, and it's going to
Speaker 1: work within the world. Yeah, and it's really hard and
Speaker 1: you think, well, can it just be a shit idea
Speaker 1: that we put nice music under?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Can, no, No, It's got to be quite a good idea.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, if I had a million dollar idea,
Speaker 1: would be giving it to you, would I'd be selling
Speaker 1: it for one million dollars. But in this film, they
Speaker 1: failed to come up with a good idea. They came
Speaker 1: up with a bad idea. Beautiful music, beautiful facial reactor.
Speaker 1: We're not convinced. Who are these women?
Speaker 4: I want to see my best friend's big sister and.
Speaker 1: The girls from the soccer team. Now. This is taken
Speaker 1: from an article online that sums up the absurdity of
Speaker 1: looking at a fictional movie and getting mad about the
Speaker 1: ply Okay, okay. This says. At one point, Jennifer Ghana
Speaker 1: is told that a man at a restaurant is checking
Speaker 1: her out. Rather than going over to flirt with him,
Speaker 1: she asks out a thirteen year old boy at the table,
Speaker 1: I actually.
Speaker 4: Came over here because I think you're really cute.
Speaker 1: So do you want to go out sometimes? Yeah? Now
Speaker 1: do you want to go to jail? It is clearly
Speaker 1: supposed to be a joke but also extremely disturbing. But
Speaker 1: then it also would have been very disturbing if this
Speaker 1: child mind in an adult body had hooked up with
Speaker 1: an adult man. I guess they're supposed to be a
Speaker 1: loophole because these children have adult bodies. But if you
Speaker 1: meet someone who keeps insisting they are a child and
Speaker 1: an adult body, maybe do not unhesitatingly have sex with them.
Speaker 1: You need to touch grass. You need to go touch grass.
Speaker 1: Take a deep breath and look at the sun again. Again,
Speaker 1: there is magic involved. Again, it is just a story.
Speaker 1: It is okay, It is just fine. But I think
Speaker 1: that scene where she's in a restaurant and they say
Speaker 1: someone's checking you out and she goes up to the
Speaker 1: thirteen year old boy and flirts, that's hilarious. And I
Speaker 1: think it's actually clever because it's a gender reverseal, because
Speaker 1: it's a woman going up to a thirteen year old
Speaker 1: born And you know why it's funny because that would
Speaker 1: never happen. That's why it's funny. Yeah, exactly, Okay, hold
Speaker 1: on it has happened in very rare cases. Yes, very rare.
Speaker 1: But I just think that we should be able to
Speaker 1: look at that and think it's funny because it is fiction,
Speaker 1: because of magic, very dust. Some other headlines, why thirteen
Speaker 1: going on thirty is actually anti feminist? Thirteen going on
Speaker 1: thirty maybe a rom com classic, but is it the
Speaker 1: most feminist? I didn't want to be them. No it's not.
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Speaker 1: it's time for charges and sentences, okay, Jesse, my charch
Speaker 1: I have a couple. Firstly, comments aging badly and actually,
Speaker 1: when I say aging badly, the one on the Chelsea
Speaker 1: Handler Show was not that long ago, so maybe just
Speaker 1: some bad comment. Yeah, they just weren't good. No. My
Speaker 1: sentence for that is I think she needs to redo
Speaker 1: that Conan interview. Yeah. You know when you've had a
Speaker 1: shit day at work and you're like, I didn't nail it,
Speaker 1: didn't nail it that day. No, I was having a
Speaker 1: bad day. Yeah, I said things that I now regret.
Speaker 1: Doesn't Conan do some kind of riding a car? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or is that Jerry? Jerry gets a coffee in a
Speaker 1: car with the Candian Yeah, and Letterman sits on Netflix
Speaker 1: with them, So I feel like Conan would maybe go
Speaker 1: for a walk, play around a golf Yeah. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think she needs to redo that interview with Conan, and
Speaker 1: she needs to say, hey, Conan, I'm sorry for correcting
Speaker 1: you and using your education against you. Yeah, because the
Speaker 1: correct word is snuck. And then maybe they can have
Speaker 1: a whole conversation about correct past dance verbs, yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's important for people to know so they don't have
Speaker 1: arguments in their own lives. And then she needs to
Speaker 1: clear up just a few of those comments and probably
Speaker 1: admit that she's got some blind spots when it comes
Speaker 1: to me talking about race. Yeah, maybe that would be handy.
Speaker 1: Now she's also upset people with fiction. Yeah, yeah, with
Speaker 1: Suddenly thirty. And so I did think. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: do we need to redo it and explore it more
Speaker 1: in a serious way? And then I thought it's been done.
Speaker 1: For anyone who has seen the movie Poor Things, it
Speaker 1: is very much yeah thirteen going on thirty, fatus going
Speaker 1: on thirty. Yes, yeah, right, but taken more seriously. And
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo is and Mark Ruffalo plays a slightly different character,
Speaker 1: but he's there. He's there, and it is about special
Speaker 1: interest in women that appear thirty that are in fact
Speaker 1: younger mentally.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Actually, if you're upset about Suddenly thirty, you'll probably also
Speaker 1: be infuriated by Poor Things. Yeah. Yeah, So I suggest
Speaker 1: you watch it. Good idea, just to get kind of annoyed.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, my charge is to do with Suddenly thirty.
Speaker 1: It's broadly an issue with Magic, the movie What Women Want?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that with Mel Gibson, the movie Freaky Friday.
Speaker 1: My issue, when I really interrogate it and I sit
Speaker 1: with myself, is that with films that involve magic, where
Speaker 1: does the magic begin and end? Because every scene I'm going,
Speaker 1: well is this magic? Yeah? Okay, this magic? Do I believe?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: So this is real? But I meant to just accept
Speaker 1: the magic that God is here. There's also a lot
Speaker 1: of lodge problems with magic. So in What Women Want,
Speaker 1: he can read women's minds. But what I always thought
Speaker 1: watching that movie, I'm like, hmm, minds aren't just a
Speaker 1: clear voice of chatter of chatter? Yeah? What about when
Speaker 1: you're thinking in images? Can he see them? Yeah? It's
Speaker 1: a great can you only hear your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And great premise. I suppose you just you tie yourself in?
Speaker 1: Not you tie yourself? Do you do? And I suppose
Speaker 1: that my sentence, I know what you're saying about poor things,
Speaker 1: but there is a very real fallout to lose seventeen
Speaker 1: years of memory, absolute tragedy. You don't know who? Do
Speaker 1: you love your husband? I also wonder those movies involving
Speaker 1: magic are they dangerous? Because what women want it starts
Speaker 1: with a hair dryer and he electrocutes and people what
Speaker 1: they think that if they electrocute themselves in the bath,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna be able to read minds.
Speaker 2: Please don't electrocute yourself.
Speaker 1: And then I think it's like, if you're reading minds,
Speaker 1: then the correct thing to do is maybe you'll like
Speaker 1: tricking yourself again. It's always you got to do the
Speaker 1: magic again at the end to get back away. Imagine
Speaker 1: being stuck in an unending magic loop. See that's stressful.
Speaker 1: How does she get out of it in suddenly thirty?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, So at the end, it's Maddie's
Speaker 1: wedding day and she goes and then he gives her
Speaker 1: the house thing again. More magic dust wakes up in
Speaker 1: the closet back at thirteen, and she kisses Maddie got
Speaker 1: magic again. You're smiling with such joy. I like ours.
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, I like it because then she
Speaker 1: ends up with mikcrafflo oh, and then it flashes to
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, and she ends up with mirk Raffalo,
Speaker 1: and she changes her future ends up in a house
Speaker 1: that looks like the house he made her. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: beautiful Phila. Yeah, long life, isn't it? Calling back and forward,
Speaker 1: back and forward. We just do this chronologically, very confused.
Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for. On canceled this week.
Speaker 1: The executive producer of canceled is to Lisciitis as with
Speaker 1: audio editing by Tom Lyon. We will be back next week. Bye.