WEBVTT - The Meghan Masterchef Theory & A Very Public Family Performance Review 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.400 Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out loud. It's what 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.360 women are actually talking about on Monday, the twenty seventh 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:09.799 of July. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:11.440 My name is Holly Waynwright. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.560 I'm m Burnham, I'm Amelia Lester. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.279 I have not yet bullied my way into MC. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.400 I know I can see you eyeing it when the studio. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.040 Out louders if you don't know what I'm talking about. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.079 This is Friday's show. We'll get there. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.800 But in the meantime, here's what's on our agenda for today. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.800 How not to be a shit guest by a Hollywood 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.120 star who's had enough of ungrateful visitors. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.280 Plus a less celebrities now have a new type of 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.200 love interests and they're just like us after all. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.920 And you've heard what Pauline Hanson had to say about 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.279 domestic violence. We want to talk about why she said it. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:51.080 But first, in case you missed it, Megan Markle was 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.920 on Master Chef last night. Did you guys hear them? 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.440 No? I need to hear everything about you think I 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:56.880 missed it? 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:58.680 Do you think I missed it? 0:00:58.720 --> 0:00:58.880 Ever? 0:00:58.960 --> 0:00:59.280 Liverit? 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.400 I knew you would watch the episode. I mean I 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.640 feel like it was all I can't believe. I didn't 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.000 watch it because it was the only thing I was 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.319 hearing about for the last three months when they were 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.560 here in April. But I did see a lot of 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:16.200 like reporting, alleged reporting of her behind the scenes in 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.320 a feud. Oh my god, stop it. Can you give 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:20.759 us a little download what happened? 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:21.119 Please? 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.160 So it wasn't a surprise that she was on, as 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.959 you say, because I think they decided there was no 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.160 way they could hold this leak and that when they 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.360 were here in April and Megan was doing that big 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.039 event in Kuji for Besties, and Harry was doing his 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.640 sort of faux royal business. He was in Canberra with 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.720 the veterans, and she went to the Master Chef studio 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.040 and filmed a guest episode. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.080 Yeah, which I feel like is so her. We've seen 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.720 the Netflix show. She likes to cook, she likes to present. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.840 They put her in context. The feud was supposed to 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.160 be about this that you're about to hear, which is 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.960 the intro that Poe, the amazing Poe did introducing Megan. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.440 I have to say, so picture this if you haven't 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.000 watched it. The set was all fancy red car pits, chandeliers, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.920 fresh flowers everywhere, red velvet, and they had before this happened, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.799 they had some of the contestants going, oh, there must 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.000 be someone really special coming today because everything looks really amazing. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.440 It kind of reminds me of like the Bachelor setup 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.360 when you're meeting the women and he's standing there on 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:23.560 the red carpet waiting for them. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:28.639 Yeah, and then Poe said this. She is a. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:38.360 Global icon, a philanthropist, a humanitarian, a woman known around 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:42.160 the world for her heart, her voice, and her deep 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:47.200 love of home cooking with her own lifestyle brand that 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:56.560 includes gifting and beautiful artismal food products all the way 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:05.160 from sunny California. Please welcome to MasterChef Australia, the Duchess 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:06.040 of Sussex. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:20.280 Oh my god, no, Meghan not. But she said, Meghan Mark. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.959 The whuha has been entirely confected. Let's put it that way, right, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.680 because some of the headlines were that Poe and Meghan 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.200 were feuding because earlier in that she said during the intro, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.600 she said something like she's royally good or whatever. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:35.840 She said the word royally and. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.720 They were saying, oh, no, no, no, Meghan doesn't want 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.560 to be referred to as royal. Let's be clear, every 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.160 word of that intro would have been approved. But Master 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.200 Chef isn't live, you know what I mean? As if 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.760 it doesn't go out live, they could have stopped and 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.120 done that again and again and again. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.960 There do that again, Holly, did you hear it. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:54.960 Again? 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.720 Well, all I'm saying is that I don't think that 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.800 any of the words said there were a surprise. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:00.400 Megan. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.760 You think she actually okayed Meghan Mikael. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:05.040 I think she did. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.840 That's not fair because in her Netflix show when she 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:12.000 was had as a guest, Mindy referred to her as 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.080 Meghan Markle and she was like, you know, I'm not 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.719 mark anymore. It's Meghan sussexx. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.120 But also she's very smart. She knows that her name 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:20.600 recognition is Markle. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:22.400 So I think. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.240 That that Mindy Kellen's watching the show going come on 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.560 get told off when Poe gets away with it. I 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.880 think what it tells us more though, is that the 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.240 way she wanted to be introduced was as a philanthropist, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:36.080 humanitarian who has the lifestyle business on the side like that. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.360 So I think that actually that introduction is very informative 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.320 because it tells us exactly how Meg's wants to be. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.640 I have to tell you that everything after that was 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.400 really quite dull. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.160 So what was. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.400 Interesting to the eagle eye amongst us is she was 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.880 dressed in black, like in a blouse and skirt. She 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.080 looked great, but she did not look like the others. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.760 The hosts are in TV clothes like bright colors. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.040 You're told when you go on TV not to wear black. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.680 Yeah, like of posing this gorgeous, sort of strappy almost 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.720 summer dress. There's colors, there's red lipsticks, there's a lot 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.279 of color and movement. So it was a bit of 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.160 an odd wardrobe choice, right because she kind of looked 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:14.880 like she'd come to the office, you know. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.120 Was she blending in with the background a little bit? 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:18.360 Like? 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.839 H Yes, she did. So, they were so she was 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:23.720 there to judge. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:25.719 It was the final four. They're going down to the 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.320 final three. They're all men, they're all good cooks. Obviously 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.440 at this point I would hope so. And she said 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.560 that H as she referred to him several times, likes 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.560 meat and potatoes. She's more of a California girl. You 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:39.320 knew this, right. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.479 She likes trepresses, she likes spice sprinkles. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.280 She got to choose the hero ingredients, and she chose 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.760 all beautiful things from the garden. Of course she did, 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.839 and then she tasted like Celiria Kai, screaming this and 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.599 that it was all lovely. Then stop everything. Harry calls 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.320 on the phone again a moment of. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.880 Complete surprise from the next door. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.680 He's in the camera and he calls on the FaceTime 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.560 this poor man standing there getting his disjudged, and it's. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:07.440 Like, everybody stop. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.120 H's on the phone, and he calls in and him 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.240 and makes have a little chilly chat and she calls 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.599 in my love and all those things. Look, it was 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.359 pretty dull, but it was fine. But I had my 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.279 question is why did she do it? Because my prediction 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.720 when they came to Australia, because it was like this 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.680 faux royal tour and it had some business elements. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.560 I was like, surely this is the point. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.120 Of this is it's a promo for the fact that 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.120 as Ever is going to start shipping to Australia. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.599 I thought that was going to be the thing. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.279 Nope, no sign of that. Still no Australian shipping. So 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.480 the question of why is interesting. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.680 Hear me out money, Well. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.080 No, Amelia, oh, cynical Amelia. My friend tell me she 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.680 wasn't paid. Wow, So Channel ten have said she wasn't paid, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.960 And so that makes it even more interesting because she 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.200 would think that that was then all about profile raising 0:06:58.200 --> 0:06:59.440 in a certain market. 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:00.960 Wouldn't you the food market? 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.760 Interesting? So she was pro bono mastership. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.880 It seems much more like something you would do to 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.040 elevate your presence and your association with food and all 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.640 those things in a particular market, which is why I 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.960 was like, oh, that's clever because and as you can 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.120 also say that there was some it was obviously very 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.800 intentional how they described as ever as well gifting, you 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.200 know what I mean, Like it was a it was 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.640 a branding exercise anyway. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.600 Well, Australia is still part of the common world, so 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.600 is it an exercise in them broadly speaking aren't very 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.880 likable in England. So it was like more of them 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.280 just going to other countries going we want to get 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:39.080 there first, we want to be. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:39.640 The likable one. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.880 Well yeah, and they, I mean, that was very much 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.200 seen as the dry run for the new model that 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:45.800 they want to do, which is a little bit royal, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.720 a little bit business sing and it definitely it was fine, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.120 there was nothing. She was lovely and it was great, 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.720 but it just was a bit like interesting. I would 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.800 have if I was her marketing, I'd be like, this 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.160 would be great to launch as ever into Australia. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.960 The other thing we have to mention for me. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.120 Specifically because I'm sick of paying all the money for 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.640 the flower sprinkles. The other thing that happened though in 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.280 Megan world is that she posted a holiday carousel. Everybody 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.080 in the Northern Hemisphere is doing this. Of course, did 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.000 you see that? I did see the carousel? 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:12.880 What did you think? 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.920 I thought, very older millennial. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.640 Out Okay, where did she go wrong? Like? What was 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:22.320 elder millennial? 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:23.360 So it was a dump? 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.880 Right, carousels are very hip. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.880 Carousels were back she and she just posted summer holidays 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.240 and then it was like, yes they were in Portugal. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.079 I think, yeah, no, but I want to hear what 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.959 the whole I have no problem with an elder millennial 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:40.480 photo dump. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.120 In fact, I think we should bring it back. I 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.800 wrote a full piece about this. It was like it 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.280 was of the time because it's not like the blurry 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.240 picks that we usually get from gen Z people, which 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.680 is what we need from Meghan Markle, like, I want 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.640 proper pictures that I can actually dissect what is going on. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.120 I don't want a blurry food pick. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.040 So what I'm saying is like what she did was good, 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.000 good for us basically because. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.120 She correctly focused the photos. It made her look old. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.199 Yes, if it was a gen Z photo dump, it 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.520 would have been like blurry hand and we would have 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.720 been very annoyed about it, deliberately unflattering a cocktail in 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.320 half shadow like it would have just been like maybe 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:16.160 somebody's hand. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:18.079 She was trying to. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:19.960 Do the crypt she was, well, I want to know 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:24.960 the strategy behind Althorpe being what photo five, photo six? 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.840 Yeah, so I think she was trying to be gen 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.720 Z because she was trying to not be too obvious, right. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.040 And one of the things. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.040 We talked about this on the show when Harry was 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.040 on his very controversial show visit to Britain last month 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.920 earlier this month, gosh, time is flying earlier this month, 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.840 and he went to Britain and there was will she 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.680 won't she? And the reports were that Megan and the 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.679 kids were waiting in Europe. Well, now we know where 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.319 they were waiting. They were waiting on a beach in 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:56.080 Portugal looks great, and they flew into England for to 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.960 go and meet the King and to go to Althorpe. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:03.240 Now a lot of royal reporters are saying, so Althorpe 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.360 is Princess Diana's ancestral home. It's where she's buried on 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.400 an island in a lake, famously, and it's I guess 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.600 it's like Harry's one of Harry's birthrights. You know, he's 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.240 got the royal stuff on one side, Buckingham Palace famously 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.280 wasn't allowed to stay there, and then he's got Althorpe 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.800 on the other side. And eagle eyed royal reporters immediately 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.840 picked up that one picture where I think she was 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.480 trying to be quite gen z and it's just the 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.719 kids skipping along from the back, Harry walking from the 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.520 back in what could have been anywhere a fancy English 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:40.320 garden with some well trimmed bushes. They she would know that, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.439 we would, of course, And you look very closely, you 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.319 can see that Harry is carrying flowers in his hand. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.720 So they clearly were going to visit Diana's well. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.360 There was no like Geo Marka on the photo. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:56.640 No, just no, she did and I think there were 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:01.640 two pictures from Althorpe. No, yeah, no disclosure, you have 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.800 to snoop. So I first looked at this carousel, of 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.960 course I did when it first dropped, and went how nice. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.080 And then I saw the report saying of that, south 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.960 of that, south of that health Royal reporters are saying, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:13.880 And of course there's always an element of sniping this, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.000 as there always is with anything to do with those two, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:17.400 but that one. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.240 Of the absolute conditions about going a to meet the 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.679 King and be to Althorpe was secrecy. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.680 Yeah, they are apparently being trailed by film crew, but 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.560 that may be. The generous read on that is that 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.920 Harry's making a doco about Invictus, which is next year 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.760 in Birmingham in Britain. The ungenerous reader is that they're 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.920 planning a part two of their big documentary, maybe something 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.559 about Diana. But anyway, no film crew was in the picture, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.760 but they were definitely interesting. So are you still holding 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:46.960 out for a family reunion? 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:48.080 All I want? 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.880 I've decided today, And actually after watching Meghan on the 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.839 TV last night, and I was like, this is an 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.880 entirely pointless endeavor, Like it's lovely, but what you know, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:11:59.480 they just need to get. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.160 Back in the Reyal Fan. I'm just absolutely cheering for them. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:03.680 I just want them back there. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.480 I just want you did this ask that question. I 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.640 need to add one other thing in here, which is 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.320 that remember how we talked about Meghan and Harry. Meghan 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.319 snuck in to visit the King at High Grove because 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.240 there was a Chanelle event happening, and so there were 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.200 people coming and going from High Grove Estate and she 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.040 was able to sort of enter under the cloak of 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.640 darkness as the Chanelle event happened. Well, one person who 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.040 was at the Chanel event was Plum Sykes. She's a 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.440 fashion writer and she wrote on her newsletter last week 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.720 this fascinating tidpit about how you get to Prince Charles 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.080 Estate and the way you get that. She was invited 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.959 to the Chanell event, but they didn't give her an address. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.200 They just said you're going to High Grove, but here's 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.280 how you're going to get there. We drop a pin 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.160 at like a country shop in the middle of nowhere. 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.800 You drive to the country shop, you park your cart, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.880 you walk into the shop. There is a man posing 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.800 in the store as the store manager, who was actually 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.560 an undercover police officer and you get in his cart 0:12:58.600 --> 0:12:59.880 and he drives you to High Grove. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.800 I want to do that so bad that Megan and 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.559 the kids had to do that. They were like walking 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:07.559 into the shop and they're just like. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:13.480 Just hear the breast. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.160 Like that, and he's like, you're not on the list. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.320 You're not on the list. You're not coming in anyway. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:18.559 So that's now you're up to date with all the 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:19.080 Megan news. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:19.760 I hope you're happy. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.200 Nicole Kidman has been holidaying in Italy and she was 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.360 spotted outside her hotel room with a mystery man. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.800 When we say spotted, we meant. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.160 She did not post a cryptic, but not yet anyway, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.719 she has not posted I'm a dumb She might though. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.680 Did any of you also think it was George Clooney? 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.000 Oh George, I don't know what. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.000 I'm talking about. I didn't see them. They are paparazzi images. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:50.800 I don't support it. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:51.160 I don't. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.320 I didn't even know that she was wearing a night 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.840 Oh damn, she wearing. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:56.839 A beautiful silk set. 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.440 So it has now been revealed by page six that 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.760 the man in question, it's a guy named Michael Reinstein 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.160 who was a private equity investor and founder of global 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.480 private equity firm The Regent. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:09.360 He sounds rich. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.640 I think that means rich. I think anything with the 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.360 word equity means rich. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.680 Better than public equity, is it? 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.280 So this is the first time we've seen Nicole with 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:25.040 someone after has split from Keith Urban and in my 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.360 head and let me know if it's the same for 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:32.320 you guys, private equity guy seems very abnormal for a 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:33.480 celebrity to date. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.320 I always thought celebrity date celebrity, right. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.960 Not anymore, Not anymore. Breeze Witherspoon is dating a finance man. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:45.120 He's a German private equity financier. His name is Oliver Harman, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.960 and they just went official. They've been dating since twenty 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.480 twenty four, reportedly, but they went public at the premiere 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.240 of that show l which is a Legally Blonde prequel. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.440 They went public in June, and they were also spotted 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.360 on a lux a yacht on the French Riviera, which 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:03.120 sounds horrible. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.440 Well, these women do not need the money, you know 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.160 the whole I'm looking for a man in finance situation. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.920 They don't need the money. Why are they dating finance? 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.920 OK? I have a theory. I think that these kinds 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.960 of women there are two reasons why they're attracted to 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.040 men in finance ariesa Or and Nicole. They are in 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.200 the prime of their life. They are at the pinnacle 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.280 of their careers. They need to prove nothing to anyone. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.720 They've also got their own routines, their own friendships. They 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.720 don't want to spend all their time with a new 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.400 love interest. They want to be doing their own thing 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.160 and then occasionally coming together with someone to go on 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.120 a yacht on the French Riviera. Yes, and so the 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.600 nice thing about private equity slash finance types is these 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.960 are guys who are still working. They're still having to 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.200 earn a living. Now it's a very fancy living, but 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.400 they're like going to work and like getting out a 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.320 laptop on the yacht and like firing up some emails. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.280 And I think they kind of like I think in 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.680 Nicole or Reese kind of likes the idea that these 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.160 men have their own lives, that they're not revolving around them. Interesting. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.840 And then my second theory is just because all the 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.040 men their age and Hollywood are dating much younger Wood. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.200 Well, yes, the half life wife will get to that 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.240 another time, but they add to that theory. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.080 There was an article in Vogue last week titled Olivia 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.880 Rodrigo and her man in Finance. No No, Olivia, No, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.360 and it talked about how now she's been seen with 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.000 the guy who works in private equity, and the piece 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.000 was all about how even when you're a super rich, 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.600 successful woman, sometimes it is nice for someone else to 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:30.840 get the bill every. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.440 Now and then. Well, I was going to say that 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.280 these guys also understand rich. So it's like we're we're 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.760 going to talk later about how there are certain rules 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.400 to rich, right in terms of hanging out on yachts 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:42.760 and at fancy resorts. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.480 We know those rules, so we're going to them. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:46.120 To you guys. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.000 But it's like, these guys understand rich, but they don't 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.560 come with the famous bit, which is the stricky bit 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:52.960 and the. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.680 True the Travis Kelcey of it all. I mean, look, 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.520 I'd rather Olivia date this guy who has his own 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.120 job and deal and a bit under the radar than 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:02.000 a Jack Antonot. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.520 Olivia is a deeply creative soul. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.000 She needs to be with a creative person. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.239 No, life shouldn't be put into one person, So she 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.160 has her own creative people that she can. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.000 Really, she has got some songs on that album. I'm 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.720 obsessed with about having dated several people who don't have 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.560 a job, So I think that maybe she's just happy 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:25.680 that somebody's got a job. 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.480 To your point, yes, an hooly europic fan of never 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.720 dating your type, that's true. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.520 You've called me out on that. That's true. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.640 I guess I said, like in my mind, I'm imagining, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.680 and look how hilarious is it. Midlife lady has opinions 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.639 on who twenty year old pop stars should date. Like really, 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.359 not of my business, but in my and I know 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.119 they'll be out loud of shouting at the phone about this. 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.560 But my mind, like young finance bros, I imagine they're 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.240 a bit I probably have my own stereotypes about them. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:18:00.320 Look at Anniston, she is dating woo woo. Guy says, 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.760 you've got woo woom, you've got equity, you've got fellow celebrity. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.880 Which which door are we going to choose? 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.639 It's hard. I just feel like I've seen more and 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:15.080 more tiktoks of younger women like financially providing for their boyfriend. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:16.880 Really, and that's true. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.560 There's an article this week the gen zens, Yes, and 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.600 it's just getting to the point where I'm like, I 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.440 feel like we've gone the opposite a bit too far 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.640 when now it's kind of like it feels like these 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.879 younger women are being taken advantage of by their partners. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.360 Because they're like equal rights, let me pay, let me pay, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.680 and then it's like, wait, I'm only paying. What's going 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:39.120 on here? 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:40.639 So you're in favor of this trend? 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:41.800 In favor of it? 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.159 After the break, Pauline Hanson and the strategy behind not 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:51.480 being a woman's woman. You've probably heard what Pauline Hanson 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.800 said last week about domestic violence, but we want to 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.320 talk today about why she said it. So she did 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.280 an interview on Brisbane's four B See last Wednesday with 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.360 Gary Hardgrave, and Pauline Hanson has subsequently said that her comments, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.160 which are been widely reported from this interview, were taken 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.920 out of context. So Holly and I had a little 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.040 chat about it, and we felt that it was important 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:17.280 to present the quotes in their full context so you 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.639 the listener can make up your own mind. So this 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.920 clip that we're going to hear is Pauline Hanson answering 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.600 a question from hard Grave, in which he asks her 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.320 to essentially acknowledge that domestic violence is bad. This came 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:35.320 up because Barnaby Joyce, Hanson's deputy, had made some somewhat 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.440 merely mouthed comments about domestic violence earlier in the week. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.480 Let's take a listen. What's your message, Pauline Hanson to 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.320 bugs who lose their bottle, who get angry and bash 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.000 and hurt their intimate partners. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.960 It's wrong. I want you to call it out. 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:53.960 Can you call it out? 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:59.199 Well, it is wrong, but it's also a two way street. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.359 I'm not saying that just men and women can lose 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:05.399 their cruel as well. 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.520 And then, on Friday, an interview that Hansen had done 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.080 last year with The Broken Father's podcast, which is hosted 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.840 by Jared Purcell. Those interview comments resurfaced in amidst the 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.000 controversy around what she had said on Hard Grave Show. 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.119 Here's the relevant clip from that podcast. 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.399 You've got to wind back a lot of issues to 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.520 do with the family law court, and what I would 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:33.639 say is child support. Go after the child support. A 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.040 lot of people see it as a cash cow and 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.760 they don't want to give up custody of the children 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.080 because they're making more money out of it, especially a 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.320 lot of these guys that are on you know, good 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.520 money working in the mining sector or good jobs, construction jobs, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.040 that type of thing. They're making good money. So the 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:50.480 fact is it's a cash cow. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.160 There were other comments caught up in this controversy from 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.520 both interviews. So look, I want to talk about why 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.840 she's doing this, because it is unusual that who people 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:05.400 talk about as potentially down the line could potentially be 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.920 a woman Prime minister. Why she would be seemingly attacking 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.200 women in this way. I want to talk about why 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.919 that is. But I just do have to mention a 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.800 couple of quick facts about what she said on these 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.159 podcasts very quickly. Experts say that telling women to just 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.879 leave domestic violent situations is a fundamental misunderstanding of the 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.640 dynamic in those situations. According to Australian stats, about four 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.399 in five family violence offenders in the last year were men. 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.800 Thirty eight Australian women have been killed this year, according 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.240 to the Australian Femicide Watch, and the Commonwealth Government has 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.440 looked into the issue of child support and this sort 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.560 of allegation that women in particular are using it to 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.800 enrich themselves, and they have found that overwhelmingly. In fact, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.320 the people who are done most badly by the child 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.040 support system are in fact mothers. So getting those facts 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:58.000 out of the way again, I want to talk about 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.479 why she's saying it, and I guess I want to 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.760 throw to you first, Holly, for your reactions. 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.760 She also said, didn't she that women shouldn't put up 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:07.960 with domestic violence? 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.280 That's one of the things she said, right, yep. And 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:12.400 she said they should leave. 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.239 She said that a couple of times, don't put up 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:18.719 with it, And she said I've been in that situation myself. 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.240 Yes, And she that was sort of the first time 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.040 that she's explicitly talked about being in that situation. We 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.280 obviously have known since her maiden speech in Parliament that 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.280 she identifies as a single mother who raised four children 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.080 by herself from two different marriages, but that's the first 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.240 time that she's explicitly sort of suggested that she was 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:40.479 a victim of domestic violence. 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.199 Because obviously those comments too about don't put up with 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.680 it were very inflammatory as well, because it very squarely 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:50.080 puts the responsibility onto the woman for you should leave. 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:51.000 Why don't you just leave? 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.600 And you know, we've had decades of education about that 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:57.600 now about why that is a really dangerous message. So 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.480 as you've already said most of what she said actually 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.600 incorrect and inflammatory, I think that's part of the point 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:09.600 that it's inflammatory. She for a start, Pauline Hanson, since 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.159 her very maiden speech is all about saying the inflammatory 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:14.080 thing and getting attention. 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:14.879 She still is. 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:19.399 She isn't changing course on that, and her targets on 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.000 a lot of her anti immigration rhetoric over the decades 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:28.359 have shifted from Asian Australians to African Australians, to Indigenous 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.720 Australians to now Islamic Australians. She's shifted that, but this 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:37.399 conversation about women and men and men being hard done 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.959 by in kind of what a certain section of the 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:47.920 political scene I guess would call gender issues has never shifted. 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.200 She's always been on that and I always been quite 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.520 consistent on that, And I think that part of that 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.880 is it's very deeply ingrained in Hanson and one nation 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.199 world view to not be a victim, and even if 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.800 you literally are a victim, as Hansen appears to have 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.960 been by her comments, to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.560 get yourself out of there, move it on. All those 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:17.000 things are very deep in that philosophy. And the other 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:22.080 thing is that, interestingly, One Nation used to be the 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.719 bread and body, used to be men overwhelmingly. Only a 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.840 year ago only five percent of One Nation supporters were women. 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.399 So she has spent a long time building that base 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.679 of men of a certain age and stage and life. 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:41.160 And that area of right wing politics is much more 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.439 male dominated and heavy, both internally and externally. So I mean, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.359 it's got more male politicians, more male power brokers, and 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:49.880 more men voting for them. So she's spent a long 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.879 time building that base and she's not about to abandon it. Interestingly, 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:58.040 in the last year, that gap has changed, those stats 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.560 have changed a lot, and now for One Nation among 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.520 women is around twenty five percent, So in one year 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.439 it's gone from five to twenty five percent. So I 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.960 think she has a certain level of confidence that now 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.840 she's speaking for a whole lot of people. Gender is 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.480 less the defining characteristic of whether or not you'd vote 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.840 One Nation than where you live, how old you are, 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:21.400 and what you do for a living. Those are more 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:26.360 defining characteristics. It's interesting because she's not alone in this 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.960 when other female leaders on the right side of When 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:32.520 I say the right side of politics, I mean the 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.520 political right have come up through the ranks as way 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.680 back as the late seventies with Margaret Thatcher, who is 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.800 an iconic right wing female leader. Being a woman is 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:43.960 not a factor that they want to talk about very much. 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.560 There's no as they always will say, we're very you know, 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.280 they hate identity politics and that includes gender politics. Thatcher, 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:55.360 for example, she came up through the ranks of politics 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.199 at a time when it was very male dominated on 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.120 the left, you could argue by unions, on the right, 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.320 by the sort of eternites the public school brigade, and 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.440 she had to deal with that world. So the last 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.840 thing you do is bang on about being a woman. 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.280 You're like, I'm as tough as all you guys. There's 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.400 nothing different about me. She would not identify as a feminist, 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.840 she would not deal with any women's issues in inverted commas. 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.320 And I guess that lots of us think that that 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:24.720 has changed. But even in Britain right now, the leader 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:28.240 of the Conservative Party is a woman called Kemmy Baidenock, 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:30.000 a black British woman. 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.000 She is very similarly. 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:36.960 Hates feminist rhetoric, hates what she would call identity politics, 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.320 won't play anything about being a woman. So I think 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:44.159 that even something as devastating as family violence and Australia's 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:46.879 family violence statistics, as we've talked about recently on the 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.400 show Stubbornly Not Moving a week when we lost four 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.760 women two weeks ago, these things are not going anywhere. 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.240 It's like to talk about them overtly as something that 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.399 Australian women are concerned about is off brand for a 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.200 Hanson one hundred percent. 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:06.480 It's interesting that you say that, like her likability amongst 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:11.479 women has grown, because Pauline Hanson has never been in 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.320 my world. Like I know that from the get go 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.359 of hearing about her, she would never like rely on 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.280 someone like me for a vote because I'm Brown, my 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:25.120 parents are Indians who migrated to Australia, and she's never 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.360 just been in my bubble. But the more I hear 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.359 about her, it is scary that she's getting more and 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.000 more popular, especially for someone like me with my parents 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.720 and my family. But at the same time, when I 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.440 look at all these interviews, like listening to those clips, 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.760 I don't actually think the context helps her at all 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.520 because I always sort of had the picture of the 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.360 person I would think of who would vote for Pauline Hanson, 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.399 and then she does something and says something that completely 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:54.239 contradicts that image I had in my head. So it 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.560 is interesting that she is, I guess, doesn't want to 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:01.440 label herself as someone who's looking out for women's issues, 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.280 but it also feels like she's going in the direct 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:05.160 opposite of that. 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:09.119 Yeah, it's like you mentioned identity politics before, Holly, and 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.640 how a lot of fire right politicians say they hate 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.160 identity politics, Well, they hate a particular kind of identity politics. 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.760 Because Pauline Hanson is all about how dads have been 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.199 hard done by. One could argue that dad is a 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.440 form of identity just as potent as mum. But anyways, setting. 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:29.160 Up so also is the brand of Australianism that one 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.720 nation is pushing hard. That's an identity. It's a very 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:32.720 powerful identity. 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:36.359 And I think that was a great point about how 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:41.040 it's not just that she's anti feminist. Now there has 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:46.400 been a shift where she has become almost pro pro 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.760 men's rights, is how I would put it. 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.640 I don't think it's a shift though, I think that 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:52.120 that used to be her bread and buttery. 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.760 Yeah, well, I think she's just more avert about it. 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:58.040 Maybe it's just that the global mood is now matching 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.680 what she's been saying since her maiden speaks to Parliament 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.320 back in nineteen ninety seven. Because you mentioned, like some 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:09.040 other global leaders, Georgia Maloney, who is the first female 0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.040 Prime Minister of Italy. She is the head of a 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.400 party called Brothers of Italy. Now I don't think, I 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.280 don't speak Italian, but that doesn't sound like a super 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.520 welcoming party to women. And she is far right. She's 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.680 anti immigration, she's anti LGBT rights, she is of course 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.040 avowedly anti feminist. And then you've got Marie La Penn 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.960 in France, another far right politician who distances herself from 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.000 the idea of feminism. She is a twice divorced single mother, 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:39.640 just like Pauline Hanson, and just like Pauline Hanson. Analyst 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.520 is saying that the reason why she has become such 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:46.680 a powerful political figure is because she softens that far 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.000 right rhetoric and policy. People think, how bad can it 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:51.760 be if a woman's in charge? 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.200 That's really interesting because when I was reading about the 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.760 sort of satcher appeal and the sort of hard woman appeal, 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.520 which very much what Hanson is. Being a mother is 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.920 part of that identity, right, but it's a very specific 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.320 kind of like you know, as you said that Hanson 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:10.880 from her get go has always been I'm a mother 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:12.880 of four, I'm a hard battler, I've done it tough, 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.960 I pulled myself through it. But it's a version of 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.360 mother that is kind of like defender of the family, 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.200 mama bear, almost like a very almost aggressive kind of role. 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.720 And that one reason why Hanson seems to be scapegoating women, 0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.480 or that's certainly the way that you could read those 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.240 domestic violence comments by suggesting that single mothers are all 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.320 on the make, you know, or trying to get rich 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.600 and you know, commit welfare fraud, or that they should 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:47.920 just get out of those bad relationships. It's kind of 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.560 something for many people feels like a betrayal of women. 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.760 It can be seen that these female politicians are making 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.240 something of what we call a patriarchal bargain, which is 0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.480 where in order to get individual power, and we often 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.960 talk about this in terms of beauty standards, for example, 0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.840 in order to get individual power women will buy into 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.080 a structure or a belief system that is fundamentally patriarchal 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:11.800 and not great for women. And I know that's lots 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:15.240 of like gender studies, what are wan kind of language, 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.080 But the bottom line is you suck up to the dudes. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:19.840 That's basically the way to do it. 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:21.640 Is you suck up to the dudes to get in 0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.000 and to get into a position of power. And maybe 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.880 those are your true beliefs, absolutely, but also maybe there's 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.120 some strategy in there in terms of, like to get 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.240 in with the big boys, you have to play with 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.600 the big boys almost. I want to come through the 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.520 ranks of this very male dominated side of politics. 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:39.880 There are a lot of. 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.000 Women winging out there feminism has gone too far. I 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.120 know a lot of you guys think that, and I 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:49.880 know that the Mega movement feels that too. Is that 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:53.360 maybe their targets for derision in other ways are quite divided, 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.040 whether they think it's some you know, different races or 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.240 ethnicities or whatever, but they can all seem to agree 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.760 that women base have all got a bit too big 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:06.160 for their boots at the expense of men. And it's 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.520 all something a bit depressing in the fact that like 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.880 dismissing traditionally female concerns is a unifying factor. 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.920 I think that's the answer to your question of why 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:20.000 it's such an interesting observation that you made that one 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.880 nation support amongst women has ramped up at the very 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:28.560 time that we are hearing more from one nation about 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:33.520 these kinds of anti women, or at least anti feminist 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.840 policies and positions. And one answer as to why that 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.240 is because it seems confusing. Why would women be supporting 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.840 a party that is explicitly not fighting for them? And 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.160 I guess the answer could be that the far right 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.000 is just as divided as the far left. They've got 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.880 lots of different concerns, whether it be they don't want 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:59.360 AI regulated, they're very anti abortion, they don't like immigration. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.520 One way to unite them all, including the women by 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.880 the way, in that in that movement, is by saying, 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.800 but we can all agree that feminism it all went 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:10.840 downhill with me too. 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:12.520 Yeah, that's true. 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:17.360 After the break, the comedian with some very blunt advice 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:22.000 about how to be a decent guest, Chelsea Handler. She 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.320 is a comedian, a show host, a mogul. Do you 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.680 know I was trying to remember where I first came 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.920 across Chelsea Handler. She's very funny, very biding. 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.440 For me, it was literally just like her stand up, 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.040 like she is so big in stand up. 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:37.680 And then she had a talk show for a while. 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.520 She now has a finger and a lot of different pies. 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.400 He of course has a podcast. She is also a 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:48.200 very pissed off auntie. It's a northern summer. As discussed, 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:52.640 everybody's on holiday with their financier boyfriends, their fancy places. 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.600 And Chelsea's been on holiday. But she's been well. Actually 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.400 she's been on a few holidays because I follow her 0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.800 on social and she knows how to holiday, this woman. 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:01.000 But one of the. 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.280 Holidays she's been on was with her family. She took 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:08.080 an unspecified number of her five siblings and her many 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.960 now adultish nieces and nephews to a house on Martha's 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:18.120 Vineyard for a lovely all all included, glorious holiday. 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:19.560 Martha's Vineyard's like. 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.880 It's where the Obamas have a house, all the famous people. 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.320 It's beautiful, fancy people. I'm sure many financiers have a 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:30.320 house there. Bell Burdon's book is about Martha's Vineyard. Anyway, 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.799 So Chelsea got a house from a friend and she 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:37.280 took her family there. They did not behave well, specifically 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.480 the nieces and nephews. She posted, I'm not going to 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.120 read the whole thing because no shit. She talking about 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:49.000 millennial carousel dumps on Instagram. She's definitely gen x and 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:52.280 she went about eight slides deep very it was Brooklyn Beckham. 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:56.040 It was a Brooklyn and it was addressed to all 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.800 my nuggets, who I assume are her nieces and nephews. 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.880 And she's said it's always a sign you are about 0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.760 to get in big trouble. She started it by saying, 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.279 I want to start this email because she reposted an 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.680 email she'd send to the family by telling each of 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.359 you that I love you and that I could never 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:14.200 unlove you. 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.440 You're like, oh, what's coming next? 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.960 And then she got into it. So it's with great 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.920 love and hope that we can use this as an 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:25.160 opportunity to get better. Our family is dysfunctional and that's 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:26.080 what families are. 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:27.480 What we need to work on. 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:32.759 However, are manners. So specifically, then Chelsea goes into a 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:34.719 list of things that she thinks everybody should do. 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.160 But think if I was sending this as an email, I. 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.319 Think she did send it as an email and went 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:40.040 public with it. 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.319 I wonder if she got some like snargy replies to 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:42.720 the email. 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:44.040 Imagine it. 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:45.440 She probably didn't get any replies. 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.279 She starts here, and I just want to say, like, 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.160 as this has got big auntie energy, because it's like 0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:55.160 your kids are disgusting to assist us. Say hello to 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.000 the people who are working in the house. This is 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.680 posh person stuff. This is you need to acknowledge their 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.640 exist stance out of decency and respect. This goes for 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.520 my house in La or Ma, Lorca, or on the 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:09.520 vinyard or wherever we are. Say hello, right. I treat 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.360 my employees like family, and I expect you to do 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.520 the same. It is the nice and decent thing to 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:16.680 do to consider the other people who are on holiday 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.880 with you. That means not having second helpings before everybody 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.600 else does, not finishing the bottles of Belvidere that I purchased, 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.000 that's fancy vodka, or ginger ale that I flew with 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:30.839 across the country that they don't sell on the vineyard. 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.359 In this whole post is just a big humble brain, 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.279 and it really is. But I love this bit. 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.319 She says a good rule of thumb for guests is 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.280 never finish anything. Don't finish the picture of Margarita's, don't 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.879 take the last thing off the plate. Do not roll 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.839 your eyes repeatedly at my friends. 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:47.160 I imagine. 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:51.840 Okay, when I was reading this, I was like, oh, yeah, 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:53.600 this is good. This is good to teach your kids. 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.000 This is really nice. And then I get to the 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.400 part where she says, don't drink copious amounts of alcohol, 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:03.040 and she's like, she's like, you can have drinking within 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:04.080 a reasonable amount. 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.360 And then I was like, wait a minute, is she 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.880 talking about adults. Are these kids adult? 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:09.200 Yeah? 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:09.520 They are. 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:13.120 They're like rolling their eyes at people, and they're not 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:14.120 washing their dishes. 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.320 To be fair, her friends are probably really annoying. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.080 You are not at home. You are a guest. 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.759 She says, do not litter on the grounds of someone 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.719 else's house. So I think what she's talking about is 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.040 like entitled young adults. 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:26.400 Ye. 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.520 Right, So she's upset about the way they've treated the house. 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.880 Then she also says, I understand not everyone wants to 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.000 hang out with the family twenty four to seven, but 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.360 I am going to require that when you are with 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.440 the family, like during a game, or a movie. You 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.640 are not on your phone, you are not playing video games. 0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.919 You have the entire day to do whatever you want. 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:45.480 You can make the time to be present with the 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.439 family for an hour or two at night, said every 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:51.160 parent always, And then she says, I know you're probably 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.399 rolling your eyes, but I promise you everything I'm saying 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.239 will help you in life. She also tells them off 0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.919 for not treating their mothers with enough respect. Ah, good, 0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.520 big auntie energy. I know your moms can drive you 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.720 crazy moms obviously, but you cannot speak to your mother's 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.120 the way you do sometimes, especially not in front of 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.840 other people. You who are only going to regret treating 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.080 your moms like that, also help them. I do not 0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:13.720 bring my sisters on holiday. 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:14.120 To do the dishes. 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:19.600 WHOA, you are old enough to understand how to reassess 0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:21.400 how you want to be in the world. So basically, 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.120 she is giving them a massive serve. Please say please 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.080 and thank you every opportunity. Clean up after yourself. 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:28.000 Da da da da da. 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:29.680 It's a decent and polite thing to do, and it 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.760 will help you in life, and so on and so forth. 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.920 What do we think about such a public family dressing 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.600 down and does Chelsea Handler have a point about annoying 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:40.880 entitled guests? 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.000 I say one hundred percent, because she talks about these 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.000 family holidays as if it's something that they've always gone on, 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.839 and she makes it very clear in the post where 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.799 she says, I'm the one with the money, yes, like 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.760 it's my Like, it's very expensive to do this for you, guys, 0:38:55.920 --> 0:39:01.239 be more appreciative. She also ended in like a seemingly threat. 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.239 I don't care how much her family annoys you. It's 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:04.759 the only one we've got blah blah blah. But she 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:07.279 basically says, I won't bring you again. Yeah, if you 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:09.280 don't do better, I'm not going to bring you again. 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.200 I was never exposed to these kinds of vat vacations 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.080 growing up. You're experiencing something that most people never will 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.080 get to experience. 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.399 So I think it's really funny because she's probably seen 0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:20.520 this from like the kids since they were babies, and 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.319 she's like, Okay, they're babies, it's fine, this happens. Their kids, 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.719 It's fine, this happens. Now these are like twenty one 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.680 year old, and she's like, now I can say something. 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:29.759 Now you're an adult, and I can put you in 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.239 the line of fire because you are not behaving like 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:33.000 a normal person. 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.359 Do you think there's a tension here, because what I 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.480 saw when she posted this was a lot of rich 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.879 and famous people liking it and saying yes, I'm gonna 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:44.560 put this on the fridge, Kristen Bell, Chloe Kardashian, someone 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.200 else I've forgotten or like liking it and saying yes. 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.759 And I think that speaks to attention. That's back to 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.759 what we're talking about with the finance Bros, which is 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.520 when someone in the family makes it big, like makes 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.680 it basically has the money and goes I'm going to 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:01.360 treat the family right. Everyone else the family doesn't necessarily 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.800 know how to behave rich, so when they see free drinks, 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:05.560 it's like that same how do you behave at a 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:06.040 free bar? 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:06.480 Right? 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.760 If you go to a free bar all the time 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.360 for work or whatever, then you're quite cool around a 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.279 free bar. If you never get to go to a 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.239 free bar, you're on the shots, you know what I mean. 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.800 That's never been an ordervatory. I haven't chased it exactly. 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:22.200 So do you think that's part of this? Do you 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.840 think that the nieces and nephews are like jugs of margaritis. 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.240 That's a great point. I feel icky about it because 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:33.359 she's also announcing to us all how generous she is. Like, 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:38.080 in this supposed like affirmation of the importance of treating 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:42.200 people with respect and decency, she's also telling us, well, 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.920 I took my whole family on holiday, and doesn't that 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.280 make me such a magnanimous, wonderful person. 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.440 Yeah, there is definitely a humble brag in this, But 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.240 I also think she speaks for a lot of people 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:57.879 who watch, particularly maybe particularly child free people, but not necessarily, 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:02.080 who watch the way that kids, even grown up kids, 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.279 treat their mothers in particular, and are outraged by it. 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:09.120 Yeah, because she can't say it directly to her siblings, 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.240 so she's like now waiting for her nieces and neverviews 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.080 to become adult so she can talk to them as adults. 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.279 She's like, your kids are brats, is what she wants 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:17.560 to say. 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.240 They're complaining about their food while they're. 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:23.600 Eating the same. Don't you think she's also criticizing her 0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:28.240 sisters in that, Like, Holly, if someone criticizes your kids, 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:32.040 regardless of their age, it is also a criticism of you. 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.000 Oh, any of you. 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:35.440 You're the one who raised them. 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.760 And that's why you often notice that really fancy people 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.960 like I remember Victoria Beckham for years, whenever she was 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:43.960 in interviews, this is before all the kids got their 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.799 own profiles, and people would ask her about her kids, 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:48.560 she'd say, what I'm most proud of is their manner. 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.520 She would always talk about that, and I always thought 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.640 that was a little bit interesting, and then I remembered 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.960 probably the life they live. They're always in fancy restaurants, 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.080 there's always staff around, all that kind of stuff. 0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:59.760 They have been brought. 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.080 Up to be very respectful of that world, because otherwise 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.719 it reflects really badly on posh. Right, if she's in 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:09.520 a restaurant and Brooklyn and Cruise and whatever a wrestling 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:13.319 under the table and rolling their eyes and everybody, it 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:17.000 reflects badly on her. And you're right, Amelia, we're very 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.680 sensitive about that. If somebody calls out one of your 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.080 kids for being a brat, part of you is like, well, 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:23.760 I know they're being a brat, but then my brat 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:24.239 back off. 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.360 And also the man is thing. I think the reason 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:29.799 why you felt that way about what Victoria said is 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:35.160 because manners are very much something that other people can 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:39.279 judge your parenting. Yes, it's less like if she just wonded, Like, 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.560 what I'm most proud of is how good they are 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.880 at chess, Like that's a harder thing for a stranger 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.560 or an acquaintance to assess then whether or not they 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.120 say please and thank you. And I'm not saying manners unimportant. 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:54.000 They are important, but they're also they're also the most 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:58.160 direct sort of performance review of what you're doing as 0:42:58.160 --> 0:42:58.560 a parent. 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:02.799 And you can how that she is just really embarrassed 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.960 about their behavior, like coming to the posh back inside 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.600 of things, because in the post she does say you 0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:10.680 can't speak to your mom's like that, or if you 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:12.279 do do it at home, don't do. 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:13.280 It in front of other people. 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:14.600 Yeah, so she doesn't actually care. 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.160 She just like, just don't do it in front of me. 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:18.279 Do you think never finish out a thing is a 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.239 good rule of thumb for a guest. I think that 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:21.880 I was quite I think that's quite clever. 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:22.919 I think it's really cool. 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:24.960 What depends what it is, like you're gonna let it 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.879 take it's like then it's just gonna go away. 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.279 But I also feel like Chelsea Handla literally just walks 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.960 around with you know how King Charles famously has someone 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.319 travel with him everywhere who makes martinis. Yeah, that brings 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.160 along a little mobile martini cut. She's like that except 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.879 for Margaarita's. So if you finish the picture, don't worry, 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:43.760 there's another one coming. 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:49.480 Do you think that Chelsea Handler's sisters are speaking to 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.800 her today after she did that and it went completely viral? 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:54.160 How would you be? 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.560 I'd be like, hey, Sis, sorry we didn't reply to 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.680 your email quick enough. We all have jobs, were all 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.520 really really busy. Can we just talk about how you 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:07.360 posted it on Instagram? The kids are really upset. We 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:09.880 promise we'll be better behaved than the next family holiday. 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:10.680 We'd love to hear from you. 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:11.960 Thanks. I bet they're not good enough. 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:12.520 It's been good. 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:14.480 Next year, I bet it's not happening. 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.320 That is all we have time for today, out loudest, 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.240 thank you for being here with us on this Monday. 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.799 As always, we're going to be back in your ears tomorrow. 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:25.000 At least m and I are with Mia and some scoreless. 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:27.760 We'll see you tomorrow. 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:32.680 Bye bye. Mamma May acknowledges to traditional owners of the 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.799 land on which we recorded this podcast.