Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out loud. It's what
Speaker 1: women are actually talking about on Monday, the twenty seventh
Speaker 1: of July.
Speaker 2: My name is Holly Waynwright.
Speaker 3: I'm m Burnham, I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 2: I have not yet bullied my way into MC.
Speaker 3: I know I can see you eyeing it when the studio.
Speaker 1: Out louders if you don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: This is Friday's show. We'll get there.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, here's what's on our agenda for today.
Speaker 1: How not to be a shit guest by a Hollywood
Speaker 1: star who's had enough of ungrateful visitors.
Speaker 3: Plus a less celebrities now have a new type of
Speaker 3: love interests and they're just like us after all.
Speaker 4: And you've heard what Pauline Hanson had to say about
Speaker 4: domestic violence. We want to talk about why she said it.
Speaker 3: But first, in case you missed it, Megan Markle was
Speaker 3: on Master Chef last night. Did you guys hear them?
Speaker 4: No? I need to hear everything about you think I
Speaker 4: missed it?
Speaker 2: Do you think I missed it?
Speaker 5: Ever?
Speaker 4: Liverit?
Speaker 3: I knew you would watch the episode. I mean I
Speaker 3: feel like it was all I can't believe. I didn't
Speaker 3: watch it because it was the only thing I was
Speaker 3: hearing about for the last three months when they were
Speaker 3: here in April. But I did see a lot of
Speaker 3: like reporting, alleged reporting of her behind the scenes in
Speaker 3: a feud. Oh my god, stop it. Can you give
Speaker 3: us a little download what happened?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a surprise that she was on, as
Speaker 1: you say, because I think they decided there was no
Speaker 1: way they could hold this leak and that when they
Speaker 1: were here in April and Megan was doing that big
Speaker 1: event in Kuji for Besties, and Harry was doing his
Speaker 1: sort of faux royal business. He was in Canberra with
Speaker 1: the veterans, and she went to the Master Chef studio
Speaker 1: and filmed a guest episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I feel like is so her. We've seen
Speaker 3: the Netflix show. She likes to cook, she likes to present.
Speaker 1: They put her in context. The feud was supposed to
Speaker 1: be about this that you're about to hear, which is
Speaker 1: the intro that Poe, the amazing Poe did introducing Megan.
Speaker 1: I have to say, so picture this if you haven't
Speaker 1: watched it. The set was all fancy red car pits, chandeliers,
Speaker 1: fresh flowers everywhere, red velvet, and they had before this happened,
Speaker 1: they had some of the contestants going, oh, there must
Speaker 1: be someone really special coming today because everything looks really amazing.
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of like the Bachelor setup
Speaker 3: when you're meeting the women and he's standing there on
Speaker 3: the red carpet waiting for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Poe said this. She is a.
Speaker 5: Global icon, a philanthropist, a humanitarian, a woman known around
Speaker 5: the world for her heart, her voice, and her deep
Speaker 5: love of home cooking with her own lifestyle brand that
Speaker 5: includes gifting and beautiful artismal food products all the way
Speaker 5: from sunny California. Please welcome to MasterChef Australia, the Duchess
Speaker 5: of Sussex.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, no, Meghan not. But she said, Meghan Mark.
Speaker 1: The whuha has been entirely confected. Let's put it that way, right,
Speaker 1: because some of the headlines were that Poe and Meghan
Speaker 1: were feuding because earlier in that she said during the intro,
Speaker 1: she said something like she's royally good or whatever.
Speaker 2: She said the word royally and.
Speaker 1: They were saying, oh, no, no, no, Meghan doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be referred to as royal. Let's be clear, every
Speaker 1: word of that intro would have been approved. But Master
Speaker 1: Chef isn't live, you know what I mean? As if
Speaker 1: it doesn't go out live, they could have stopped and
Speaker 1: done that again and again and again.
Speaker 4: There do that again, Holly, did you hear it.
Speaker 5: Again?
Speaker 1: Well, all I'm saying is that I don't think that
Speaker 1: any of the words said there were a surprise.
Speaker 2: Megan.
Speaker 4: You think she actually okayed Meghan Mikael.
Speaker 2: I think she did.
Speaker 3: That's not fair because in her Netflix show when she
Speaker 3: was had as a guest, Mindy referred to her as
Speaker 3: Meghan Markle and she was like, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: mark anymore. It's Meghan sussexx.
Speaker 1: But also she's very smart. She knows that her name
Speaker 1: recognition is Markle.
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 1: That that Mindy Kellen's watching the show going come on
Speaker 1: get told off when Poe gets away with it. I
Speaker 1: think what it tells us more though, is that the
Speaker 1: way she wanted to be introduced was as a philanthropist,
Speaker 1: humanitarian who has the lifestyle business on the side like that.
Speaker 1: So I think that actually that introduction is very informative
Speaker 1: because it tells us exactly how Meg's wants to be.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that everything after that was
Speaker 1: really quite dull.
Speaker 2: So what was.
Speaker 1: Interesting to the eagle eye amongst us is she was
Speaker 1: dressed in black, like in a blouse and skirt. She
Speaker 1: looked great, but she did not look like the others.
Speaker 1: The hosts are in TV clothes like bright colors.
Speaker 4: You're told when you go on TV not to wear black.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like of posing this gorgeous, sort of strappy almost
Speaker 1: summer dress. There's colors, there's red lipsticks, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of color and movement. So it was a bit of
Speaker 1: an odd wardrobe choice, right because she kind of looked
Speaker 1: like she'd come to the office, you know.
Speaker 2: Was she blending in with the background a little bit?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: H Yes, she did. So, they were so she was
Speaker 2: there to judge.
Speaker 1: It was the final four. They're going down to the
Speaker 1: final three. They're all men, they're all good cooks. Obviously
Speaker 1: at this point I would hope so. And she said
Speaker 1: that H as she referred to him several times, likes
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes. She's more of a California girl. You
Speaker 1: knew this, right.
Speaker 2: She likes trepresses, she likes spice sprinkles.
Speaker 1: She got to choose the hero ingredients, and she chose
Speaker 1: all beautiful things from the garden. Of course she did,
Speaker 1: and then she tasted like Celiria Kai, screaming this and
Speaker 1: that it was all lovely. Then stop everything. Harry calls
Speaker 1: on the phone again a moment of.
Speaker 2: Complete surprise from the next door.
Speaker 1: He's in the camera and he calls on the FaceTime
Speaker 1: this poor man standing there getting his disjudged, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, everybody stop.
Speaker 1: H's on the phone, and he calls in and him
Speaker 1: and makes have a little chilly chat and she calls
Speaker 1: in my love and all those things. Look, it was
Speaker 1: pretty dull, but it was fine. But I had my
Speaker 1: question is why did she do it? Because my prediction
Speaker 1: when they came to Australia, because it was like this
Speaker 1: faux royal tour and it had some business elements.
Speaker 2: I was like, surely this is the point.
Speaker 1: Of this is it's a promo for the fact that
Speaker 1: as Ever is going to start shipping to Australia.
Speaker 2: I thought that was going to be the thing.
Speaker 1: Nope, no sign of that. Still no Australian shipping. So
Speaker 1: the question of why is interesting.
Speaker 4: Hear me out money, Well.
Speaker 1: No, Amelia, oh, cynical Amelia. My friend tell me she
Speaker 1: wasn't paid. Wow, So Channel ten have said she wasn't paid,
Speaker 1: And so that makes it even more interesting because she
Speaker 1: would think that that was then all about profile raising
Speaker 1: in a certain market.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you the food market?
Speaker 4: Interesting? So she was pro bono mastership.
Speaker 1: It seems much more like something you would do to
Speaker 1: elevate your presence and your association with food and all
Speaker 1: those things in a particular market, which is why I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's clever because and as you can
Speaker 1: also say that there was some it was obviously very
Speaker 1: intentional how they described as ever as well gifting, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it was a it was
Speaker 1: a branding exercise anyway.
Speaker 3: Well, Australia is still part of the common world, so
Speaker 3: is it an exercise in them broadly speaking aren't very
Speaker 3: likable in England. So it was like more of them
Speaker 3: just going to other countries going we want to get
Speaker 3: there first, we want to be.
Speaker 2: The likable one.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and they, I mean, that was very much
Speaker 1: seen as the dry run for the new model that
Speaker 1: they want to do, which is a little bit royal,
Speaker 1: a little bit business sing and it definitely it was fine,
Speaker 1: there was nothing. She was lovely and it was great,
Speaker 1: but it just was a bit like interesting. I would
Speaker 1: have if I was her marketing, I'd be like, this
Speaker 1: would be great to launch as ever into Australia.
Speaker 2: The other thing we have to mention for me.
Speaker 1: Specifically because I'm sick of paying all the money for
Speaker 1: the flower sprinkles. The other thing that happened though in
Speaker 1: Megan world is that she posted a holiday carousel. Everybody
Speaker 1: in the Northern Hemisphere is doing this. Of course, did
Speaker 1: you see that? I did see the carousel?
Speaker 2: What did you think?
Speaker 3: I thought, very older millennial.
Speaker 4: Out Okay, where did she go wrong? Like? What was
Speaker 4: elder millennial?
Speaker 2: So it was a dump?
Speaker 4: Right, carousels are very hip.
Speaker 1: Carousels were back she and she just posted summer holidays
Speaker 1: and then it was like, yes they were in Portugal.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, no, but I want to hear what
Speaker 1: the whole I have no problem with an elder millennial
Speaker 1: photo dump.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think we should bring it back. I
Speaker 3: wrote a full piece about this. It was like it
Speaker 3: was of the time because it's not like the blurry
Speaker 3: picks that we usually get from gen Z people, which
Speaker 3: is what we need from Meghan Markle, like, I want
Speaker 3: proper pictures that I can actually dissect what is going on.
Speaker 2: I don't want a blurry food pick.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is like what she did was good,
Speaker 3: good for us basically because.
Speaker 4: She correctly focused the photos. It made her look old.
Speaker 1: Yes, if it was a gen Z photo dump, it
Speaker 1: would have been like blurry hand and we would have
Speaker 1: been very annoyed about it, deliberately unflattering a cocktail in
Speaker 1: half shadow like it would have just been like maybe
Speaker 1: somebody's hand.
Speaker 2: She was trying to.
Speaker 4: Do the crypt she was, well, I want to know
Speaker 4: the strategy behind Althorpe being what photo five, photo six?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think she was trying to be gen
Speaker 1: Z because she was trying to not be too obvious, right.
Speaker 2: And one of the things.
Speaker 1: We talked about this on the show when Harry was
Speaker 1: on his very controversial show visit to Britain last month
Speaker 1: earlier this month, gosh, time is flying earlier this month,
Speaker 1: and he went to Britain and there was will she
Speaker 1: won't she? And the reports were that Megan and the
Speaker 1: kids were waiting in Europe. Well, now we know where
Speaker 1: they were waiting. They were waiting on a beach in
Speaker 1: Portugal looks great, and they flew into England for to
Speaker 1: go and meet the King and to go to Althorpe.
Speaker 1: Now a lot of royal reporters are saying, so Althorpe
Speaker 1: is Princess Diana's ancestral home. It's where she's buried on
Speaker 1: an island in a lake, famously, and it's I guess
Speaker 1: it's like Harry's one of Harry's birthrights. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got the royal stuff on one side, Buckingham Palace famously
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to stay there, and then he's got Althorpe
Speaker 1: on the other side. And eagle eyed royal reporters immediately
Speaker 1: picked up that one picture where I think she was
Speaker 1: trying to be quite gen z and it's just the
Speaker 1: kids skipping along from the back, Harry walking from the
Speaker 1: back in what could have been anywhere a fancy English
Speaker 1: garden with some well trimmed bushes. They she would know that,
Speaker 1: we would, of course, And you look very closely, you
Speaker 1: can see that Harry is carrying flowers in his hand.
Speaker 1: So they clearly were going to visit Diana's well.
Speaker 4: There was no like Geo Marka on the photo.
Speaker 1: No, just no, she did and I think there were
Speaker 1: two pictures from Althorpe. No, yeah, no disclosure, you have
Speaker 1: to snoop. So I first looked at this carousel, of
Speaker 1: course I did when it first dropped, and went how nice.
Speaker 1: And then I saw the report saying of that, south
Speaker 1: of that, south of that health Royal reporters are saying,
Speaker 1: And of course there's always an element of sniping this,
Speaker 1: as there always is with anything to do with those two,
Speaker 1: but that one.
Speaker 2: Of the absolute conditions about going a to meet the
Speaker 2: King and be to Althorpe was secrecy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are apparently being trailed by film crew, but
Speaker 1: that may be. The generous read on that is that
Speaker 1: Harry's making a doco about Invictus, which is next year
Speaker 1: in Birmingham in Britain. The ungenerous reader is that they're
Speaker 1: planning a part two of their big documentary, maybe something
Speaker 1: about Diana. But anyway, no film crew was in the picture,
Speaker 1: but they were definitely interesting. So are you still holding
Speaker 1: out for a family reunion?
Speaker 2: All I want?
Speaker 1: I've decided today, And actually after watching Meghan on the
Speaker 1: TV last night, and I was like, this is an
Speaker 1: entirely pointless endeavor, Like it's lovely, but what you know,
Speaker 1: they just need to get.
Speaker 2: Back in the Reyal Fan. I'm just absolutely cheering for them.
Speaker 2: I just want them back there.
Speaker 4: I just want you did this ask that question. I
Speaker 4: need to add one other thing in here, which is
Speaker 4: that remember how we talked about Meghan and Harry. Meghan
Speaker 4: snuck in to visit the King at High Grove because
Speaker 4: there was a Chanelle event happening, and so there were
Speaker 4: people coming and going from High Grove Estate and she
Speaker 4: was able to sort of enter under the cloak of
Speaker 4: darkness as the Chanelle event happened. Well, one person who
Speaker 4: was at the Chanel event was Plum Sykes. She's a
Speaker 4: fashion writer and she wrote on her newsletter last week
Speaker 4: this fascinating tidpit about how you get to Prince Charles
Speaker 4: Estate and the way you get that. She was invited
Speaker 4: to the Chanell event, but they didn't give her an address.
Speaker 4: They just said you're going to High Grove, but here's
Speaker 4: how you're going to get there. We drop a pin
Speaker 4: at like a country shop in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4: You drive to the country shop, you park your cart,
Speaker 4: you walk into the shop. There is a man posing
Speaker 4: in the store as the store manager, who was actually
Speaker 4: an undercover police officer and you get in his cart
Speaker 4: and he drives you to High Grove.
Speaker 1: I want to do that so bad that Megan and
Speaker 1: the kids had to do that. They were like walking
Speaker 1: into the shop and they're just like.
Speaker 4: Just hear the breast.
Speaker 2: Like that, and he's like, you're not on the list.
Speaker 1: You're not on the list. You're not coming in anyway.
Speaker 1: So that's now you're up to date with all the
Speaker 1: Megan news.
Speaker 2: I hope you're happy.
Speaker 3: Nicole Kidman has been holidaying in Italy and she was
Speaker 3: spotted outside her hotel room with a mystery man.
Speaker 2: When we say spotted, we meant.
Speaker 1: She did not post a cryptic, but not yet anyway,
Speaker 1: she has not posted I'm a dumb She might though.
Speaker 2: Did any of you also think it was George Clooney?
Speaker 4: Oh George, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I didn't see them. They are paparazzi images.
Speaker 1: I don't support it.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that she was wearing a night
Speaker 1: Oh damn, she wearing.
Speaker 2: A beautiful silk set.
Speaker 3: So it has now been revealed by page six that
Speaker 3: the man in question, it's a guy named Michael Reinstein
Speaker 3: who was a private equity investor and founder of global
Speaker 3: private equity firm The Regent.
Speaker 2: He sounds rich.
Speaker 3: I think that means rich. I think anything with the
Speaker 3: word equity means rich.
Speaker 4: Better than public equity, is it?
Speaker 3: So this is the first time we've seen Nicole with
Speaker 3: someone after has split from Keith Urban and in my
Speaker 3: head and let me know if it's the same for
Speaker 3: you guys, private equity guy seems very abnormal for a
Speaker 3: celebrity to date.
Speaker 2: I always thought celebrity date celebrity, right.
Speaker 4: Not anymore, Not anymore. Breeze Witherspoon is dating a finance man.
Speaker 4: He's a German private equity financier. His name is Oliver Harman,
Speaker 4: and they just went official. They've been dating since twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four, reportedly, but they went public at the premiere
Speaker 4: of that show l which is a Legally Blonde prequel.
Speaker 4: They went public in June, and they were also spotted
Speaker 4: on a lux a yacht on the French Riviera, which
Speaker 4: sounds horrible.
Speaker 1: Well, these women do not need the money, you know
Speaker 1: the whole I'm looking for a man in finance situation.
Speaker 1: They don't need the money. Why are they dating finance?
Speaker 4: OK? I have a theory. I think that these kinds
Speaker 4: of women there are two reasons why they're attracted to
Speaker 4: men in finance ariesa Or and Nicole. They are in
Speaker 4: the prime of their life. They are at the pinnacle
Speaker 4: of their careers. They need to prove nothing to anyone.
Speaker 4: They've also got their own routines, their own friendships. They
Speaker 4: don't want to spend all their time with a new
Speaker 4: love interest. They want to be doing their own thing
Speaker 4: and then occasionally coming together with someone to go on
Speaker 4: a yacht on the French Riviera. Yes, and so the
Speaker 4: nice thing about private equity slash finance types is these
Speaker 4: are guys who are still working. They're still having to
Speaker 4: earn a living. Now it's a very fancy living, but
Speaker 4: they're like going to work and like getting out a
Speaker 4: laptop on the yacht and like firing up some emails.
Speaker 4: And I think they kind of like I think in
Speaker 4: Nicole or Reese kind of likes the idea that these
Speaker 4: men have their own lives, that they're not revolving around them. Interesting.
Speaker 4: And then my second theory is just because all the
Speaker 4: men their age and Hollywood are dating much younger Wood.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, the half life wife will get to that
Speaker 1: another time, but they add to that theory.
Speaker 3: There was an article in Vogue last week titled Olivia
Speaker 3: Rodrigo and her man in Finance. No No, Olivia, No,
Speaker 3: and it talked about how now she's been seen with
Speaker 3: the guy who works in private equity, and the piece
Speaker 3: was all about how even when you're a super rich,
Speaker 3: successful woman, sometimes it is nice for someone else to
Speaker 3: get the bill every.
Speaker 1: Now and then. Well, I was going to say that
Speaker 1: these guys also understand rich. So it's like we're we're
Speaker 1: going to talk later about how there are certain rules
Speaker 1: to rich, right in terms of hanging out on yachts
Speaker 1: and at fancy resorts.
Speaker 4: We know those rules, so we're going to them.
Speaker 2: To you guys.
Speaker 1: But it's like, these guys understand rich, but they don't
Speaker 1: come with the famous bit, which is the stricky bit
Speaker 1: and the.
Speaker 4: True the Travis Kelcey of it all. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: I'd rather Olivia date this guy who has his own
Speaker 4: job and deal and a bit under the radar than
Speaker 4: a Jack Antonot.
Speaker 1: Olivia is a deeply creative soul.
Speaker 2: She needs to be with a creative person.
Speaker 4: No, life shouldn't be put into one person, So she
Speaker 4: has her own creative people that she can.
Speaker 1: Really, she has got some songs on that album. I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with about having dated several people who don't have
Speaker 1: a job, So I think that maybe she's just happy
Speaker 1: that somebody's got a job.
Speaker 3: To your point, yes, an hooly europic fan of never
Speaker 3: dating your type, that's true.
Speaker 2: You've called me out on that. That's true.
Speaker 1: I guess I said, like in my mind, I'm imagining,
Speaker 1: and look how hilarious is it. Midlife lady has opinions
Speaker 1: on who twenty year old pop stars should date. Like really,
Speaker 1: not of my business, but in my and I know
Speaker 1: they'll be out loud of shouting at the phone about this.
Speaker 1: But my mind, like young finance bros, I imagine they're
Speaker 1: a bit I probably have my own stereotypes about them.
Speaker 1: Look at Anniston, she is dating woo woo. Guy says,
Speaker 1: you've got woo woom, you've got equity, you've got fellow celebrity.
Speaker 2: Which which door are we going to choose?
Speaker 3: It's hard. I just feel like I've seen more and
Speaker 3: more tiktoks of younger women like financially providing for their boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Really, and that's true.
Speaker 1: There's an article this week the gen zens, Yes, and
Speaker 1: it's just getting to the point where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: feel like we've gone the opposite a bit too far
Speaker 1: when now it's kind of like it feels like these
Speaker 1: younger women are being taken advantage of by their partners.
Speaker 3: Because they're like equal rights, let me pay, let me pay,
Speaker 3: and then it's like, wait, I'm only paying. What's going
Speaker 3: on here?
Speaker 4: So you're in favor of this trend?
Speaker 3: In favor of it?
Speaker 4: After the break, Pauline Hanson and the strategy behind not
Speaker 4: being a woman's woman. You've probably heard what Pauline Hanson
Speaker 4: said last week about domestic violence, but we want to
Speaker 4: talk today about why she said it. So she did
Speaker 4: an interview on Brisbane's four B See last Wednesday with
Speaker 4: Gary Hardgrave, and Pauline Hanson has subsequently said that her comments,
Speaker 4: which are been widely reported from this interview, were taken
Speaker 4: out of context. So Holly and I had a little
Speaker 4: chat about it, and we felt that it was important
Speaker 4: to present the quotes in their full context so you
Speaker 4: the listener can make up your own mind. So this
Speaker 4: clip that we're going to hear is Pauline Hanson answering
Speaker 4: a question from hard Grave, in which he asks her
Speaker 4: to essentially acknowledge that domestic violence is bad. This came
Speaker 4: up because Barnaby Joyce, Hanson's deputy, had made some somewhat
Speaker 4: merely mouthed comments about domestic violence earlier in the week.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. What's your message, Pauline Hanson to
Speaker 4: bugs who lose their bottle, who get angry and bash
Speaker 4: and hurt their intimate partners.
Speaker 2: It's wrong. I want you to call it out.
Speaker 4: Can you call it out?
Speaker 6: Well, it is wrong, but it's also a two way street.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that just men and women can lose
Speaker 6: their cruel as well.
Speaker 4: And then, on Friday, an interview that Hansen had done
Speaker 4: last year with The Broken Father's podcast, which is hosted
Speaker 4: by Jared Purcell. Those interview comments resurfaced in amidst the
Speaker 4: controversy around what she had said on Hard Grave Show.
Speaker 4: Here's the relevant clip from that podcast.
Speaker 7: You've got to wind back a lot of issues to
Speaker 7: do with the family law court, and what I would
Speaker 7: say is child support. Go after the child support. A
Speaker 7: lot of people see it as a cash cow and
Speaker 7: they don't want to give up custody of the children
Speaker 7: because they're making more money out of it, especially a
Speaker 7: lot of these guys that are on you know, good
Speaker 7: money working in the mining sector or good jobs, construction jobs,
Speaker 7: that type of thing. They're making good money. So the
Speaker 7: fact is it's a cash cow.
Speaker 4: There were other comments caught up in this controversy from
Speaker 4: both interviews. So look, I want to talk about why
Speaker 4: she's doing this, because it is unusual that who people
Speaker 4: talk about as potentially down the line could potentially be
Speaker 4: a woman Prime minister. Why she would be seemingly attacking
Speaker 4: women in this way. I want to talk about why
Speaker 4: that is. But I just do have to mention a
Speaker 4: couple of quick facts about what she said on these
Speaker 4: podcasts very quickly. Experts say that telling women to just
Speaker 4: leave domestic violent situations is a fundamental misunderstanding of the
Speaker 4: dynamic in those situations. According to Australian stats, about four
Speaker 4: in five family violence offenders in the last year were men.
Speaker 4: Thirty eight Australian women have been killed this year, according
Speaker 4: to the Australian Femicide Watch, and the Commonwealth Government has
Speaker 4: looked into the issue of child support and this sort
Speaker 4: of allegation that women in particular are using it to
Speaker 4: enrich themselves, and they have found that overwhelmingly. In fact,
Speaker 4: the people who are done most badly by the child
Speaker 4: support system are in fact mothers. So getting those facts
Speaker 4: out of the way again, I want to talk about
Speaker 4: why she's saying it, and I guess I want to
Speaker 4: throw to you first, Holly, for your reactions.
Speaker 1: She also said, didn't she that women shouldn't put up
Speaker 1: with domestic violence?
Speaker 2: That's one of the things she said, right, yep. And
Speaker 2: she said they should leave.
Speaker 1: She said that a couple of times, don't put up
Speaker 1: with it, And she said I've been in that situation myself.
Speaker 4: Yes, And she that was sort of the first time
Speaker 4: that she's explicitly talked about being in that situation. We
Speaker 4: obviously have known since her maiden speech in Parliament that
Speaker 4: she identifies as a single mother who raised four children
Speaker 4: by herself from two different marriages, but that's the first
Speaker 4: time that she's explicitly sort of suggested that she was
Speaker 4: a victim of domestic violence.
Speaker 1: Because obviously those comments too about don't put up with
Speaker 1: it were very inflammatory as well, because it very squarely
Speaker 1: puts the responsibility onto the woman for you should leave.
Speaker 2: Why don't you just leave?
Speaker 1: And you know, we've had decades of education about that
Speaker 1: now about why that is a really dangerous message. So
Speaker 1: as you've already said most of what she said actually
Speaker 1: incorrect and inflammatory, I think that's part of the point
Speaker 1: that it's inflammatory. She for a start, Pauline Hanson, since
Speaker 1: her very maiden speech is all about saying the inflammatory
Speaker 1: thing and getting attention.
Speaker 2: She still is.
Speaker 1: She isn't changing course on that, and her targets on
Speaker 1: a lot of her anti immigration rhetoric over the decades
Speaker 1: have shifted from Asian Australians to African Australians, to Indigenous
Speaker 1: Australians to now Islamic Australians. She's shifted that, but this
Speaker 1: conversation about women and men and men being hard done
Speaker 1: by in kind of what a certain section of the
Speaker 1: political scene I guess would call gender issues has never shifted.
Speaker 1: She's always been on that and I always been quite
Speaker 1: consistent on that, And I think that part of that
Speaker 1: is it's very deeply ingrained in Hanson and one nation
Speaker 1: world view to not be a victim, and even if
Speaker 1: you literally are a victim, as Hansen appears to have
Speaker 1: been by her comments, to pull yourself up by your bootstraps,
Speaker 1: get yourself out of there, move it on. All those
Speaker 1: things are very deep in that philosophy. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is that, interestingly, One Nation used to be the
Speaker 1: bread and body, used to be men overwhelmingly. Only a
Speaker 1: year ago only five percent of One Nation supporters were women.
Speaker 1: So she has spent a long time building that base
Speaker 1: of men of a certain age and stage and life.
Speaker 1: And that area of right wing politics is much more
Speaker 1: male dominated and heavy, both internally and externally. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's got more male politicians, more male power brokers, and
Speaker 1: more men voting for them. So she's spent a long
Speaker 1: time building that base and she's not about to abandon it. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: in the last year, that gap has changed, those stats
Speaker 1: have changed a lot, and now for One Nation among
Speaker 1: women is around twenty five percent, So in one year
Speaker 1: it's gone from five to twenty five percent. So I
Speaker 1: think she has a certain level of confidence that now
Speaker 1: she's speaking for a whole lot of people. Gender is
Speaker 1: less the defining characteristic of whether or not you'd vote
Speaker 1: One Nation than where you live, how old you are,
Speaker 1: and what you do for a living. Those are more
Speaker 1: defining characteristics. It's interesting because she's not alone in this
Speaker 1: when other female leaders on the right side of When
Speaker 1: I say the right side of politics, I mean the
Speaker 1: political right have come up through the ranks as way
Speaker 1: back as the late seventies with Margaret Thatcher, who is
Speaker 1: an iconic right wing female leader. Being a woman is
Speaker 1: not a factor that they want to talk about very much.
Speaker 1: There's no as they always will say, we're very you know,
Speaker 1: they hate identity politics and that includes gender politics. Thatcher,
Speaker 1: for example, she came up through the ranks of politics
Speaker 1: at a time when it was very male dominated on
Speaker 1: the left, you could argue by unions, on the right,
Speaker 1: by the sort of eternites the public school brigade, and
Speaker 1: she had to deal with that world. So the last
Speaker 1: thing you do is bang on about being a woman.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm as tough as all you guys. There's
Speaker 1: nothing different about me. She would not identify as a feminist,
Speaker 1: she would not deal with any women's issues in inverted commas.
Speaker 1: And I guess that lots of us think that that
Speaker 1: has changed. But even in Britain right now, the leader
Speaker 1: of the Conservative Party is a woman called Kemmy Baidenock,
Speaker 1: a black British woman.
Speaker 2: She is very similarly.
Speaker 1: Hates feminist rhetoric, hates what she would call identity politics,
Speaker 1: won't play anything about being a woman. So I think
Speaker 1: that even something as devastating as family violence and Australia's
Speaker 1: family violence statistics, as we've talked about recently on the
Speaker 1: show Stubbornly Not Moving a week when we lost four
Speaker 1: women two weeks ago, these things are not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: It's like to talk about them overtly as something that
Speaker 1: Australian women are concerned about is off brand for a
Speaker 1: Hanson one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you say that, like her likability amongst
Speaker 3: women has grown, because Pauline Hanson has never been in
Speaker 3: my world. Like I know that from the get go
Speaker 3: of hearing about her, she would never like rely on
Speaker 3: someone like me for a vote because I'm Brown, my
Speaker 3: parents are Indians who migrated to Australia, and she's never
Speaker 3: just been in my bubble. But the more I hear
Speaker 3: about her, it is scary that she's getting more and
Speaker 3: more popular, especially for someone like me with my parents
Speaker 3: and my family. But at the same time, when I
Speaker 3: look at all these interviews, like listening to those clips,
Speaker 3: I don't actually think the context helps her at all
Speaker 3: because I always sort of had the picture of the
Speaker 3: person I would think of who would vote for Pauline Hanson,
Speaker 3: and then she does something and says something that completely
Speaker 3: contradicts that image I had in my head. So it
Speaker 3: is interesting that she is, I guess, doesn't want to
Speaker 3: label herself as someone who's looking out for women's issues,
Speaker 3: but it also feels like she's going in the direct
Speaker 3: opposite of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you mentioned identity politics before, Holly, and
Speaker 4: how a lot of fire right politicians say they hate
Speaker 4: identity politics, Well, they hate a particular kind of identity politics.
Speaker 4: Because Pauline Hanson is all about how dads have been
Speaker 4: hard done by. One could argue that dad is a
Speaker 4: form of identity just as potent as mum. But anyways, setting.
Speaker 1: Up so also is the brand of Australianism that one
Speaker 1: nation is pushing hard. That's an identity. It's a very
Speaker 1: powerful identity.
Speaker 4: And I think that was a great point about how
Speaker 4: it's not just that she's anti feminist. Now there has
Speaker 4: been a shift where she has become almost pro pro
Speaker 4: men's rights, is how I would put it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a shift though, I think that
Speaker 1: that used to be her bread and buttery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think she's just more avert about it.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just that the global mood is now matching
Speaker 4: what she's been saying since her maiden speaks to Parliament
Speaker 4: back in nineteen ninety seven. Because you mentioned, like some
Speaker 4: other global leaders, Georgia Maloney, who is the first female
Speaker 4: Prime Minister of Italy. She is the head of a
Speaker 4: party called Brothers of Italy. Now I don't think, I
Speaker 4: don't speak Italian, but that doesn't sound like a super
Speaker 4: welcoming party to women. And she is far right. She's
Speaker 4: anti immigration, she's anti LGBT rights, she is of course
Speaker 4: avowedly anti feminist. And then you've got Marie La Penn
Speaker 4: in France, another far right politician who distances herself from
Speaker 4: the idea of feminism. She is a twice divorced single mother,
Speaker 4: just like Pauline Hanson, and just like Pauline Hanson. Analyst
Speaker 4: is saying that the reason why she has become such
Speaker 4: a powerful political figure is because she softens that far
Speaker 4: right rhetoric and policy. People think, how bad can it
Speaker 4: be if a woman's in charge?
Speaker 1: That's really interesting because when I was reading about the
Speaker 1: sort of satcher appeal and the sort of hard woman appeal,
Speaker 1: which very much what Hanson is. Being a mother is
Speaker 1: part of that identity, right, but it's a very specific
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, as you said that Hanson
Speaker 1: from her get go has always been I'm a mother
Speaker 1: of four, I'm a hard battler, I've done it tough,
Speaker 1: I pulled myself through it. But it's a version of
Speaker 1: mother that is kind of like defender of the family,
Speaker 1: mama bear, almost like a very almost aggressive kind of role.
Speaker 1: And that one reason why Hanson seems to be scapegoating women,
Speaker 1: or that's certainly the way that you could read those
Speaker 1: domestic violence comments by suggesting that single mothers are all
Speaker 1: on the make, you know, or trying to get rich
Speaker 1: and you know, commit welfare fraud, or that they should
Speaker 1: just get out of those bad relationships. It's kind of
Speaker 1: something for many people feels like a betrayal of women.
Speaker 1: It can be seen that these female politicians are making
Speaker 1: something of what we call a patriarchal bargain, which is
Speaker 1: where in order to get individual power, and we often
Speaker 1: talk about this in terms of beauty standards, for example,
Speaker 1: in order to get individual power women will buy into
Speaker 1: a structure or a belief system that is fundamentally patriarchal
Speaker 1: and not great for women. And I know that's lots
Speaker 1: of like gender studies, what are wan kind of language,
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is you suck up to the dudes.
Speaker 2: That's basically the way to do it.
Speaker 1: Is you suck up to the dudes to get in
Speaker 1: and to get into a position of power. And maybe
Speaker 1: those are your true beliefs, absolutely, but also maybe there's
Speaker 1: some strategy in there in terms of, like to get
Speaker 1: in with the big boys, you have to play with
Speaker 1: the big boys almost. I want to come through the
Speaker 1: ranks of this very male dominated side of politics.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of.
Speaker 1: Women winging out there feminism has gone too far. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of you guys think that, and I
Speaker 1: know that the Mega movement feels that too. Is that
Speaker 1: maybe their targets for derision in other ways are quite divided,
Speaker 1: whether they think it's some you know, different races or
Speaker 1: ethnicities or whatever, but they can all seem to agree
Speaker 1: that women base have all got a bit too big
Speaker 1: for their boots at the expense of men. And it's
Speaker 1: all something a bit depressing in the fact that like
Speaker 1: dismissing traditionally female concerns is a unifying factor.
Speaker 4: I think that's the answer to your question of why
Speaker 4: it's such an interesting observation that you made that one
Speaker 4: nation support amongst women has ramped up at the very
Speaker 4: time that we are hearing more from one nation about
Speaker 4: these kinds of anti women, or at least anti feminist
Speaker 4: policies and positions. And one answer as to why that
Speaker 4: is because it seems confusing. Why would women be supporting
Speaker 4: a party that is explicitly not fighting for them? And
Speaker 4: I guess the answer could be that the far right
Speaker 4: is just as divided as the far left. They've got
Speaker 4: lots of different concerns, whether it be they don't want
Speaker 4: AI regulated, they're very anti abortion, they don't like immigration.
Speaker 4: One way to unite them all, including the women by
Speaker 4: the way, in that in that movement, is by saying,
Speaker 4: but we can all agree that feminism it all went
Speaker 4: downhill with me too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: After the break, the comedian with some very blunt advice
Speaker 1: about how to be a decent guest, Chelsea Handler. She
Speaker 1: is a comedian, a show host, a mogul. Do you
Speaker 1: know I was trying to remember where I first came
Speaker 1: across Chelsea Handler. She's very funny, very biding.
Speaker 3: For me, it was literally just like her stand up,
Speaker 3: like she is so big in stand up.
Speaker 1: And then she had a talk show for a while.
Speaker 1: She now has a finger and a lot of different pies.
Speaker 1: He of course has a podcast. She is also a
Speaker 1: very pissed off auntie. It's a northern summer. As discussed,
Speaker 1: everybody's on holiday with their financier boyfriends, their fancy places.
Speaker 1: And Chelsea's been on holiday. But she's been well. Actually
Speaker 1: she's been on a few holidays because I follow her
Speaker 1: on social and she knows how to holiday, this woman.
Speaker 2: But one of the.
Speaker 1: Holidays she's been on was with her family. She took
Speaker 1: an unspecified number of her five siblings and her many
Speaker 1: now adultish nieces and nephews to a house on Martha's
Speaker 1: Vineyard for a lovely all all included, glorious holiday.
Speaker 2: Martha's Vineyard's like.
Speaker 4: It's where the Obamas have a house, all the famous people.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, fancy people. I'm sure many financiers have a
Speaker 1: house there. Bell Burdon's book is about Martha's Vineyard. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So Chelsea got a house from a friend and she
Speaker 1: took her family there. They did not behave well, specifically
Speaker 1: the nieces and nephews. She posted, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: read the whole thing because no shit. She talking about
Speaker 1: millennial carousel dumps on Instagram. She's definitely gen x and
Speaker 1: she went about eight slides deep very it was Brooklyn Beckham.
Speaker 1: It was a Brooklyn and it was addressed to all
Speaker 1: my nuggets, who I assume are her nieces and nephews.
Speaker 1: And she's said it's always a sign you are about
Speaker 1: to get in big trouble. She started it by saying,
Speaker 1: I want to start this email because she reposted an
Speaker 1: email she'd send to the family by telling each of
Speaker 1: you that I love you and that I could never
Speaker 1: unlove you.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, what's coming next?
Speaker 1: And then she got into it. So it's with great
Speaker 1: love and hope that we can use this as an
Speaker 1: opportunity to get better. Our family is dysfunctional and that's
Speaker 1: what families are.
Speaker 2: What we need to work on.
Speaker 1: However, are manners. So specifically, then Chelsea goes into a
Speaker 1: list of things that she thinks everybody should do.
Speaker 4: But think if I was sending this as an email, I.
Speaker 2: Think she did send it as an email and went
Speaker 2: public with it.
Speaker 3: I wonder if she got some like snargy replies to
Speaker 3: the email.
Speaker 2: Imagine it.
Speaker 4: She probably didn't get any replies.
Speaker 1: She starts here, and I just want to say, like,
Speaker 1: as this has got big auntie energy, because it's like
Speaker 1: your kids are disgusting to assist us. Say hello to
Speaker 1: the people who are working in the house. This is
Speaker 1: posh person stuff. This is you need to acknowledge their
Speaker 1: exist stance out of decency and respect. This goes for
Speaker 1: my house in La or Ma, Lorca, or on the
Speaker 1: vinyard or wherever we are. Say hello, right. I treat
Speaker 1: my employees like family, and I expect you to do
Speaker 1: the same. It is the nice and decent thing to
Speaker 1: do to consider the other people who are on holiday
Speaker 1: with you. That means not having second helpings before everybody
Speaker 1: else does, not finishing the bottles of Belvidere that I purchased,
Speaker 1: that's fancy vodka, or ginger ale that I flew with
Speaker 1: across the country that they don't sell on the vineyard.
Speaker 3: In this whole post is just a big humble brain,
Speaker 3: and it really is. But I love this bit.
Speaker 1: She says a good rule of thumb for guests is
Speaker 1: never finish anything. Don't finish the picture of Margarita's, don't
Speaker 1: take the last thing off the plate. Do not roll
Speaker 1: your eyes repeatedly at my friends.
Speaker 2: I imagine.
Speaker 3: Okay, when I was reading this, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is good. This is good to teach your kids.
Speaker 3: This is really nice. And then I get to the
Speaker 3: part where she says, don't drink copious amounts of alcohol,
Speaker 3: and she's like, she's like, you can have drinking within
Speaker 3: a reasonable amount.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, wait a minute, is she
Speaker 1: talking about adults. Are these kids adult?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 3: They're like rolling their eyes at people, and they're not
Speaker 3: washing their dishes.
Speaker 4: To be fair, her friends are probably really annoying.
Speaker 2: You are not at home. You are a guest.
Speaker 1: She says, do not litter on the grounds of someone
Speaker 1: else's house. So I think what she's talking about is
Speaker 1: like entitled young adults.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 2: Right, So she's upset about the way they've treated the house.
Speaker 1: Then she also says, I understand not everyone wants to
Speaker 1: hang out with the family twenty four to seven, but
Speaker 1: I am going to require that when you are with
Speaker 1: the family, like during a game, or a movie. You
Speaker 1: are not on your phone, you are not playing video games.
Speaker 1: You have the entire day to do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: You can make the time to be present with the
Speaker 1: family for an hour or two at night, said every
Speaker 1: parent always, And then she says, I know you're probably
Speaker 1: rolling your eyes, but I promise you everything I'm saying
Speaker 1: will help you in life. She also tells them off
Speaker 1: for not treating their mothers with enough respect. Ah, good,
Speaker 1: big auntie energy. I know your moms can drive you
Speaker 1: crazy moms obviously, but you cannot speak to your mother's
Speaker 1: the way you do sometimes, especially not in front of
Speaker 1: other people. You who are only going to regret treating
Speaker 1: your moms like that, also help them. I do not
Speaker 1: bring my sisters on holiday.
Speaker 2: To do the dishes.
Speaker 1: WHOA, you are old enough to understand how to reassess
Speaker 1: how you want to be in the world. So basically,
Speaker 1: she is giving them a massive serve. Please say please
Speaker 1: and thank you every opportunity. Clean up after yourself.
Speaker 4: Da da da da da.
Speaker 1: It's a decent and polite thing to do, and it
Speaker 1: will help you in life, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: What do we think about such a public family dressing
Speaker 1: down and does Chelsea Handler have a point about annoying
Speaker 1: entitled guests?
Speaker 3: I say one hundred percent, because she talks about these
Speaker 3: family holidays as if it's something that they've always gone on,
Speaker 3: and she makes it very clear in the post where
Speaker 3: she says, I'm the one with the money, yes, like
Speaker 3: it's my Like, it's very expensive to do this for you, guys,
Speaker 3: be more appreciative. She also ended in like a seemingly threat.
Speaker 1: I don't care how much her family annoys you. It's
Speaker 1: the only one we've got blah blah blah. But she
Speaker 1: basically says, I won't bring you again. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: don't do better, I'm not going to bring you again.
Speaker 1: I was never exposed to these kinds of vat vacations
Speaker 1: growing up. You're experiencing something that most people never will
Speaker 1: get to experience.
Speaker 3: So I think it's really funny because she's probably seen
Speaker 3: this from like the kids since they were babies, and
Speaker 3: she's like, Okay, they're babies, it's fine, this happens. Their kids,
Speaker 3: It's fine, this happens. Now these are like twenty one
Speaker 3: year old, and she's like, now I can say something.
Speaker 3: Now you're an adult, and I can put you in
Speaker 3: the line of fire because you are not behaving like
Speaker 3: a normal person.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a tension here, because what I
Speaker 1: saw when she posted this was a lot of rich
Speaker 1: and famous people liking it and saying yes, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put this on the fridge, Kristen Bell, Chloe Kardashian, someone
Speaker 1: else I've forgotten or like liking it and saying yes.
Speaker 1: And I think that speaks to attention. That's back to
Speaker 1: what we're talking about with the finance Bros, which is
Speaker 1: when someone in the family makes it big, like makes
Speaker 1: it basically has the money and goes I'm going to
Speaker 1: treat the family right. Everyone else the family doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: know how to behave rich, so when they see free drinks,
Speaker 1: it's like that same how do you behave at a
Speaker 1: free bar?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: If you go to a free bar all the time
Speaker 1: for work or whatever, then you're quite cool around a
Speaker 1: free bar. If you never get to go to a
Speaker 1: free bar, you're on the shots, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's never been an ordervatory. I haven't chased it exactly.
Speaker 1: So do you think that's part of this? Do you
Speaker 1: think that the nieces and nephews are like jugs of margaritis.
Speaker 4: That's a great point. I feel icky about it because
Speaker 4: she's also announcing to us all how generous she is. Like,
Speaker 4: in this supposed like affirmation of the importance of treating
Speaker 4: people with respect and decency, she's also telling us, well,
Speaker 4: I took my whole family on holiday, and doesn't that
Speaker 4: make me such a magnanimous, wonderful person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is definitely a humble brag in this, But
Speaker 1: I also think she speaks for a lot of people
Speaker 1: who watch, particularly maybe particularly child free people, but not necessarily,
Speaker 1: who watch the way that kids, even grown up kids,
Speaker 1: treat their mothers in particular, and are outraged by it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she can't say it directly to her siblings,
Speaker 3: so she's like now waiting for her nieces and neverviews
Speaker 3: to become adult so she can talk to them as adults.
Speaker 2: She's like, your kids are brats, is what she wants
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 3: They're complaining about their food while they're.
Speaker 4: Eating the same. Don't you think she's also criticizing her
Speaker 4: sisters in that, Like, Holly, if someone criticizes your kids,
Speaker 4: regardless of their age, it is also a criticism of you.
Speaker 2: Oh, any of you.
Speaker 4: You're the one who raised them.
Speaker 1: And that's why you often notice that really fancy people
Speaker 1: like I remember Victoria Beckham for years, whenever she was
Speaker 1: in interviews, this is before all the kids got their
Speaker 1: own profiles, and people would ask her about her kids,
Speaker 1: she'd say, what I'm most proud of is their manner.
Speaker 1: She would always talk about that, and I always thought
Speaker 1: that was a little bit interesting, and then I remembered
Speaker 1: probably the life they live. They're always in fancy restaurants,
Speaker 1: there's always staff around, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: They have been brought.
Speaker 1: Up to be very respectful of that world, because otherwise
Speaker 1: it reflects really badly on posh. Right, if she's in
Speaker 1: a restaurant and Brooklyn and Cruise and whatever a wrestling
Speaker 1: under the table and rolling their eyes and everybody, it
Speaker 1: reflects badly on her. And you're right, Amelia, we're very
Speaker 1: sensitive about that. If somebody calls out one of your
Speaker 1: kids for being a brat, part of you is like, well,
Speaker 1: I know they're being a brat, but then my brat
Speaker 1: back off.
Speaker 4: And also the man is thing. I think the reason
Speaker 4: why you felt that way about what Victoria said is
Speaker 4: because manners are very much something that other people can
Speaker 4: judge your parenting. Yes, it's less like if she just wonded, Like,
Speaker 4: what I'm most proud of is how good they are
Speaker 4: at chess, Like that's a harder thing for a stranger
Speaker 4: or an acquaintance to assess then whether or not they
Speaker 4: say please and thank you. And I'm not saying manners unimportant.
Speaker 4: They are important, but they're also they're also the most
Speaker 4: direct sort of performance review of what you're doing as
Speaker 4: a parent.
Speaker 3: And you can how that she is just really embarrassed
Speaker 3: about their behavior, like coming to the posh back inside
Speaker 3: of things, because in the post she does say you
Speaker 3: can't speak to your mom's like that, or if you
Speaker 3: do do it at home, don't do.
Speaker 4: It in front of other people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she doesn't actually care.
Speaker 2: She just like, just don't do it in front of me.
Speaker 1: Do you think never finish out a thing is a
Speaker 1: good rule of thumb for a guest. I think that
Speaker 1: I was quite I think that's quite clever.
Speaker 4: I think it's really cool.
Speaker 3: What depends what it is, like you're gonna let it
Speaker 3: take it's like then it's just gonna go away.
Speaker 4: But I also feel like Chelsea Handla literally just walks
Speaker 4: around with you know how King Charles famously has someone
Speaker 4: travel with him everywhere who makes martinis. Yeah, that brings
Speaker 4: along a little mobile martini cut. She's like that except
Speaker 4: for Margaarita's. So if you finish the picture, don't worry,
Speaker 4: there's another one coming.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Chelsea Handler's sisters are speaking to
Speaker 1: her today after she did that and it went completely viral?
Speaker 2: How would you be?
Speaker 3: I'd be like, hey, Sis, sorry we didn't reply to
Speaker 3: your email quick enough. We all have jobs, were all
Speaker 3: really really busy. Can we just talk about how you
Speaker 3: posted it on Instagram? The kids are really upset. We
Speaker 3: promise we'll be better behaved than the next family holiday.
Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Thanks. I bet they're not good enough.
Speaker 4: It's been good.
Speaker 2: Next year, I bet it's not happening.
Speaker 1: That is all we have time for today, out loudest,
Speaker 1: thank you for being here with us on this Monday.
Speaker 1: As always, we're going to be back in your ears tomorrow.
Speaker 1: At least m and I are with Mia and some scoreless.
Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Bye bye. Mamma May acknowledges to traditional owners of the
Speaker 3: land on which we recorded this podcast.