1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,504 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,544 --> 00:00:29,544 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,584 --> 00:00:31,584 Speaker 2: Brodney and today I'm joined. 6 00:00:31,184 --> 00:00:32,824 Speaker 1: By I'm Tina provis. 7 00:00:32,824 --> 00:00:35,464 Speaker 3: If you watch Love Alan Australia, you may recognize me, 8 00:00:35,784 --> 00:00:38,824 Speaker 3: or you might not because I'm fully clothed today. 9 00:00:40,304 --> 00:00:42,544 Speaker 2: I mean, or is she watched the YouTube? I don't 10 00:00:42,584 --> 00:00:46,144 Speaker 2: know if you're listening. So coming up on the show today, 11 00:00:46,184 --> 00:00:47,464 Speaker 2: you've come on a good day because we have a 12 00:00:47,504 --> 00:00:49,024 Speaker 2: lot to chat about. We've got a whole bunch of 13 00:00:49,144 --> 00:00:51,904 Speaker 2: unexpected celebrity couples that have been in the news. We're 14 00:00:51,904 --> 00:00:54,064 Speaker 2: going to go through those and sort fact from fiction. 15 00:00:54,584 --> 00:00:57,504 Speaker 2: Also Sidney Sweeney's controversial new ad, We're going to dive 16 00:00:57,544 --> 00:01:00,584 Speaker 2: into that. But first, you and I didn't see each 17 00:01:00,624 --> 00:01:02,384 Speaker 2: other last night, but we were both at the same 18 00:01:02,744 --> 00:01:03,504 Speaker 2: very fun event. 19 00:01:04,024 --> 00:01:07,464 Speaker 3: Yes, we were at Prime book Club, very exciting. The 20 00:01:07,544 --> 00:01:09,384 Speaker 3: cast of the Summer Return Pretty and. 21 00:01:09,344 --> 00:01:12,064 Speaker 1: It's author were there as well as. 22 00:01:11,744 --> 00:01:14,664 Speaker 3: Mercedes Ron, who is the author of the Coppabul's trilogy. 23 00:01:14,704 --> 00:01:16,584 Speaker 1: So it was a very exciting night. 24 00:01:16,824 --> 00:01:19,384 Speaker 2: I haven't actually watched the series that's based on her books, 25 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:21,024 Speaker 2: but I was watching all the teasers on the screen 26 00:01:21,064 --> 00:01:22,944 Speaker 2: before she came out, and I was like, sorry, isn't 27 00:01:22,944 --> 00:01:25,184 Speaker 2: it about sexy step siblings hooking up? I feel like 28 00:01:25,184 --> 00:01:25,824 Speaker 2: I need to watch that. 29 00:01:26,104 --> 00:01:28,464 Speaker 3: Yes, you need to watch. I also love that there 30 00:01:28,504 --> 00:01:30,264 Speaker 3: was a question around whether it was taboo or not. 31 00:01:30,344 --> 00:01:31,624 Speaker 1: She's like, I don't think so. 32 00:01:32,144 --> 00:01:34,424 Speaker 2: She took Yeah. I love to answer that. She's like, no, 33 00:01:34,504 --> 00:01:37,464 Speaker 2: they're not related. Case closed, and I was like, SIV, yeah, 34 00:01:38,464 --> 00:01:40,224 Speaker 2: and I was like, it's true, they're not related. We 35 00:01:40,264 --> 00:01:42,304 Speaker 2: all draw a line in this end. So yes, we 36 00:01:42,344 --> 00:01:44,264 Speaker 2: had Jenny Hahn, who's the author of the Summer I 37 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:47,304 Speaker 2: Turned Pretty Books or many other books, but those in particular. 38 00:01:47,344 --> 00:01:49,704 Speaker 2: She's also the showrunner and creator of the series. Like 39 00:01:49,744 --> 00:01:51,624 Speaker 2: that woman is so multi talented. 40 00:01:51,344 --> 00:01:52,224 Speaker 1: So impressive. 41 00:01:52,264 --> 00:01:54,744 Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting as well to see that 42 00:01:54,864 --> 00:01:58,344 Speaker 3: she dips her toes into both formats of writing, and 43 00:01:58,384 --> 00:02:00,504 Speaker 3: I think that's why the series has been so successful, 44 00:02:00,504 --> 00:02:04,304 Speaker 3: because the characters have such strong voices that she's created 45 00:02:04,304 --> 00:02:04,624 Speaker 3: for them. 46 00:02:04,744 --> 00:02:06,704 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love when the author gets to actually control 47 00:02:06,744 --> 00:02:09,064 Speaker 2: the show because then it's their vision. Coming through. So 48 00:02:09,104 --> 00:02:12,224 Speaker 2: we also had Lola Tongue who plays Belly, and Rain Spencer, 49 00:02:12,264 --> 00:02:15,104 Speaker 2: who plays Taylor in the series. So they were doing 50 00:02:15,144 --> 00:02:17,784 Speaker 2: press the day before you interviewed them, right, Yeah, how 51 00:02:17,864 --> 00:02:20,064 Speaker 2: was that? Oh my god, some real life you can 52 00:02:20,064 --> 00:02:20,424 Speaker 2: tell us. 53 00:02:20,464 --> 00:02:22,144 Speaker 1: They are so lovely. 54 00:02:22,504 --> 00:02:25,464 Speaker 3: I felt like when I was interviewing Rain Spencer and 55 00:02:25,504 --> 00:02:27,824 Speaker 3: Lula Tongue that I was talking to their characters, because 56 00:02:27,824 --> 00:02:31,504 Speaker 3: you've got Lola like so sweet, very like Belly esque, 57 00:02:31,544 --> 00:02:34,744 Speaker 3: you know, like airy lovely, and then Rain is kind 58 00:02:34,744 --> 00:02:37,904 Speaker 3: of sassy, yeah, and like has that like really like quick, 59 00:02:38,224 --> 00:02:40,984 Speaker 3: witty sense of humor, which kind of felt reminiscent of 60 00:02:41,024 --> 00:02:41,704 Speaker 3: their characters. 61 00:02:41,864 --> 00:02:43,424 Speaker 1: I was feeling very starstruck. 62 00:02:43,704 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 2: They are exactly the same person as their characters in 63 00:02:45,744 --> 00:02:47,624 Speaker 2: a way. I guess that's a casting, especially if you're 64 00:02:47,624 --> 00:02:50,304 Speaker 2: casting like young actors and their first big breakout roles, 65 00:02:50,344 --> 00:02:53,024 Speaker 2: to get someone who's kind of similar to the people 66 00:02:53,064 --> 00:02:55,464 Speaker 2: they're playing. If anyone hasn't watched the Summer of Turn Pretty, 67 00:02:55,464 --> 00:02:56,824 Speaker 2: we're not going to do spoilers, but we're in the 68 00:02:56,864 --> 00:02:59,824 Speaker 2: third and final season now, we're four episodes in and 69 00:02:59,864 --> 00:03:04,264 Speaker 2: it's about Lola Tongue's character Belly, who turns hot one summer. Really, 70 00:03:04,744 --> 00:03:06,784 Speaker 2: I know, summer in turn pretty. I'm still waiting. I 71 00:03:06,824 --> 00:03:08,424 Speaker 2: know everyone makes that joke, but I was like, when will 72 00:03:08,424 --> 00:03:10,784 Speaker 2: that happen? And then she goes to the house in 73 00:03:10,824 --> 00:03:13,304 Speaker 2: the first season where these like two families spend every 74 00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:18,024 Speaker 2: summer together and there's these two brothers, Conrad and Jeremiah, 75 00:03:18,104 --> 00:03:20,064 Speaker 2: and it's a love triangle. 76 00:03:19,664 --> 00:03:23,864 Speaker 3: Between It's very heated, and the fans are really dedicated 77 00:03:23,904 --> 00:03:26,064 Speaker 3: to the course, as I can speak on behalf of 78 00:03:26,064 --> 00:03:26,584 Speaker 3: the fans. 79 00:03:26,824 --> 00:03:28,584 Speaker 2: Did you see that warning they put out before this 80 00:03:28,704 --> 00:03:31,984 Speaker 2: season started, Like the studio behind the show put out 81 00:03:31,984 --> 00:03:34,304 Speaker 2: of warning saying, guys, we know you're a really passionate 82 00:03:34,624 --> 00:03:37,264 Speaker 2: team Conrad or Team Jeremiah, but let's keep it nice, 83 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:40,624 Speaker 2: let's keep it civil, let's not bully actors or people online. 84 00:03:40,704 --> 00:03:42,424 Speaker 2: And a lot of people did not take that to heart. 85 00:03:42,504 --> 00:03:44,784 Speaker 3: It gets heated, and I feel like I have very 86 00:03:44,784 --> 00:03:47,264 Speaker 3: strong opinion. I don't think there's really any contest. I'm 87 00:03:47,304 --> 00:03:48,664 Speaker 3: a very team comrade. 88 00:03:48,744 --> 00:03:52,824 Speaker 2: Oh your team okay, what no, no? I do you 89 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:55,904 Speaker 2: have this? So at the Prime Video book Club event 90 00:03:55,984 --> 00:03:57,664 Speaker 2: last night, so we like walked in and there was 91 00:03:57,664 --> 00:04:00,984 Speaker 2: like the stage we watched the actors and Jenny Hahn 92 00:04:01,064 --> 00:04:02,984 Speaker 2: and authors and stuff come up on stage and do 93 00:04:03,424 --> 00:04:05,984 Speaker 2: their speeches and everything. And then did you upstairs to 94 00:04:06,024 --> 00:04:07,104 Speaker 2: the installation? Yes. 95 00:04:07,384 --> 00:04:09,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little hot lap around there. 96 00:04:09,304 --> 00:04:11,544 Speaker 2: Yep, all the little kind of photo moments and everything. 97 00:04:11,624 --> 00:04:12,984 Speaker 2: And it's so funny because I had all these like 98 00:04:13,024 --> 00:04:14,384 Speaker 2: they had all these little things that up to look 99 00:04:14,464 --> 00:04:16,424 Speaker 2: like you're in Cousin's Beach and all that sort of stuff. 100 00:04:16,544 --> 00:04:20,224 Speaker 2: But there was this big rack of flowers on the way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 101 00:04:20,264 --> 00:04:22,704 Speaker 2: So the top row was red flowers for team Conrad, 102 00:04:22,824 --> 00:04:25,544 Speaker 2: the middle section was sunflowers I think it was for 103 00:04:25,624 --> 00:04:28,224 Speaker 2: Team Jeremiah, and then the bottom was the high drangers 104 00:04:28,224 --> 00:04:29,984 Speaker 2: for team Belly. And the idea was like, you took 105 00:04:30,024 --> 00:04:32,024 Speaker 2: a flower to symbolize the team you're. 106 00:04:31,904 --> 00:04:34,664 Speaker 1: On, Billy chooses herself, I'm going to be angry. Let's 107 00:04:34,704 --> 00:04:35,904 Speaker 1: just get that straight. 108 00:04:36,064 --> 00:04:37,864 Speaker 2: Only they're not going to do that. Which which flower 109 00:04:37,904 --> 00:04:38,344 Speaker 2: did you pick? 110 00:04:38,664 --> 00:04:39,744 Speaker 1: So funny story. 111 00:04:39,784 --> 00:04:42,264 Speaker 3: I actually went in hot and I didn't realize I 112 00:04:42,264 --> 00:04:44,184 Speaker 3: thought I was going in strongly for Conrad. 113 00:04:44,424 --> 00:04:45,664 Speaker 1: So I picked up a sunflower. 114 00:04:45,904 --> 00:04:48,304 Speaker 3: And then the girl who was manning the flowers just 115 00:04:48,304 --> 00:04:50,744 Speaker 3: like wait, she Hadmiah as if she knew my time, 116 00:04:50,864 --> 00:04:52,424 Speaker 3: she knew I'd picked wrong. 117 00:04:52,664 --> 00:04:54,944 Speaker 1: There was fear in my eyes. I have a recording 118 00:04:54,944 --> 00:04:55,464 Speaker 1: of the moment. 119 00:04:55,504 --> 00:04:57,704 Speaker 2: I was like, I wanted you throw the flower back. 120 00:04:57,824 --> 00:04:59,664 Speaker 1: Yes, I put that flower back. 121 00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:02,584 Speaker 2: That was because we went like towards the end of 122 00:05:02,624 --> 00:05:04,664 Speaker 2: the night and then I saw like most of the 123 00:05:04,704 --> 00:05:09,064 Speaker 2: Conrad flowers picked clean gone, the belly flowers half gone, 124 00:05:09,504 --> 00:05:13,224 Speaker 2: the Jeremiah flowers in the middle untouched. I don't think 125 00:05:13,264 --> 00:05:16,744 Speaker 2: anyone took a Jeremiah flower survey. Okay, so here's something 126 00:05:16,784 --> 00:05:18,904 Speaker 2: I'll only say in this room. So your team Conrad, 127 00:05:19,064 --> 00:05:19,944 Speaker 2: what are you about to say? 128 00:05:20,064 --> 00:05:20,864 Speaker 1: This is a hot take. 129 00:05:21,024 --> 00:05:22,544 Speaker 2: Something I'm only going to say in this room because 130 00:05:22,544 --> 00:05:25,024 Speaker 2: I g got crucified if I step outside into the office. 131 00:05:25,144 --> 00:05:27,544 Speaker 2: So up until now, I sort of haven't had strong 132 00:05:27,584 --> 00:05:31,544 Speaker 2: feelings Team Conrad or Team Jeremiah. A lot of faults, 133 00:05:31,704 --> 00:05:33,064 Speaker 2: but if you had to ask me, it would be 134 00:05:33,064 --> 00:05:36,504 Speaker 2: Team Conrad all the way until I left the event 135 00:05:36,584 --> 00:05:39,544 Speaker 2: last night and I went home and watched the new 136 00:05:39,584 --> 00:05:40,224 Speaker 2: episode that came. 137 00:05:40,264 --> 00:05:45,064 Speaker 3: I haven't done episode Okay, no spoilers, but it's my watchwork, and. 138 00:05:44,944 --> 00:05:48,504 Speaker 2: I kind of think maybe I did Jeremiah. Now, just 139 00:05:48,504 --> 00:05:49,424 Speaker 2: from that one episode. 140 00:05:49,424 --> 00:05:51,464 Speaker 3: That's how you know Jenni Hahn is a god because 141 00:05:51,944 --> 00:05:52,784 Speaker 3: they're conflicted. 142 00:05:53,064 --> 00:05:54,424 Speaker 2: I know, I know. I feel like I'll get like 143 00:05:54,504 --> 00:05:56,384 Speaker 2: stoned in the streets if I say that loud, because 144 00:05:56,424 --> 00:06:02,904 Speaker 2: people hate him, I will leaves for the rest of 145 00:06:02,944 --> 00:06:03,864 Speaker 2: the episode. 146 00:06:04,384 --> 00:06:04,784 Speaker 3: I don't know. 147 00:06:04,944 --> 00:06:08,344 Speaker 2: In this episode, he was very charming, he was very adult. 148 00:06:08,544 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 2: Conrad was coming across is very light. 149 00:06:10,464 --> 00:06:12,584 Speaker 1: I don't know, he's petty, but I kind of like a. 150 00:06:12,584 --> 00:06:15,344 Speaker 2: Sad, sad boy thing going on, which is kind of 151 00:06:15,824 --> 00:06:18,624 Speaker 2: Sometimes we do love the eggs, we do, and sometimes 152 00:06:18,744 --> 00:06:21,864 Speaker 2: Jeremiah does feel like a little pixie lepricorn boy, like 153 00:06:21,904 --> 00:06:22,744 Speaker 2: he doesn't feel like. 154 00:06:22,624 --> 00:06:24,864 Speaker 1: A It's very highlight love triangle. 155 00:06:24,944 --> 00:06:27,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, Edward Cullen and Jacob because were you team Edward 156 00:06:28,064 --> 00:06:28,784 Speaker 3: or team Jacob? 157 00:06:28,864 --> 00:06:31,184 Speaker 2: Team Jacob? No? No, I actually, up until the moment 158 00:06:31,264 --> 00:06:34,904 Speaker 2: when I was first reading the books, they like, pull 159 00:06:34,944 --> 00:06:39,504 Speaker 2: you out, nice man, something about a nice, hot younger man. 160 00:06:39,544 --> 00:06:41,144 Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess both of them are the 161 00:06:41,184 --> 00:06:43,784 Speaker 2: younger ones. When I was reading the Twilight books, I 162 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:46,504 Speaker 2: just was getting so angry at Edward the whole way through. 163 00:06:46,824 --> 00:06:48,544 Speaker 2: This is because I read them as like a young adult, 164 00:06:48,584 --> 00:06:50,984 Speaker 2: Like I think I was like I was nineteen or something, 165 00:06:51,184 --> 00:06:53,664 Speaker 2: my child. Yeah exactly. So I think you're supposed to 166 00:06:53,744 --> 00:06:55,944 Speaker 2: love Edward when you're like a young teen or a tween. 167 00:06:56,304 --> 00:07:00,504 Speaker 2: And yeah, I still don't know better exactly. I don't know. 168 00:07:00,544 --> 00:07:03,704 Speaker 2: I would still date a sad man, yeah, I'll take 169 00:07:04,344 --> 00:07:06,504 Speaker 2: yeah exactly. So I feel like, I don't know. I 170 00:07:06,504 --> 00:07:09,584 Speaker 2: feel like every generation has like their big love triangle story. 171 00:07:09,744 --> 00:07:13,064 Speaker 2: And even though like stats say that mostly like teen 172 00:07:13,104 --> 00:07:15,864 Speaker 2: shows are watched by adults, Yes, that is. 173 00:07:15,824 --> 00:07:17,904 Speaker 3: Something that I've been looking at over the past week, 174 00:07:17,944 --> 00:07:20,544 Speaker 3: which has really led me to feel validated. You know, 175 00:07:20,544 --> 00:07:23,544 Speaker 3: as a nearly thirty year old woman, I can watch 176 00:07:23,584 --> 00:07:24,944 Speaker 3: the Summer returnavity and not. 177 00:07:24,904 --> 00:07:26,144 Speaker 1: Feel guilty about it. 178 00:07:26,184 --> 00:07:29,624 Speaker 3: But it does have that like very like nostalgic feeling, 179 00:07:29,704 --> 00:07:31,824 Speaker 3: and it's something you can all relate to. 180 00:07:31,904 --> 00:07:33,184 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I've had two help 181 00:07:33,224 --> 00:07:34,104 Speaker 1: brothers chasing. 182 00:07:33,864 --> 00:07:38,144 Speaker 2: Us, but loose enter price rooms on instain Socials, who 183 00:07:38,184 --> 00:07:40,064 Speaker 2: was hosting event last night, did like a quick poll 184 00:07:40,104 --> 00:07:41,704 Speaker 2: of the audience, so she's like, has anyone been in 185 00:07:41,704 --> 00:07:44,304 Speaker 2: love with two brothers? And it was just like silence. Yeah, 186 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:46,864 Speaker 2: so like either it doesn't happen or no one wants to. 187 00:07:46,864 --> 00:07:47,824 Speaker 1: We want it to happen. 188 00:07:48,344 --> 00:07:50,984 Speaker 2: So okay, well I might look, I might change Team 189 00:07:51,104 --> 00:07:53,304 Speaker 2: Conrad or Team Jeremiah before the end of the season. 190 00:07:53,304 --> 00:07:55,104 Speaker 2: We still have many epps to go. So it's on 191 00:07:55,184 --> 00:07:58,144 Speaker 2: Prime Video. If you haven't watched it, highly recommend for 192 00:07:58,224 --> 00:08:00,024 Speaker 2: our Sexy eighteen Summer romance. 193 00:08:00,064 --> 00:08:01,464 Speaker 1: If you even watched it yet, what are you doing? 194 00:08:01,584 --> 00:08:08,264 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's jump in to unpack the unexpected celebrity couples 195 00:08:08,264 --> 00:08:10,904 Speaker 3: that have been popping up and definitely were not on 196 00:08:10,944 --> 00:08:14,104 Speaker 3: my twenty twenty five bingo card. It's definitely left fans 197 00:08:14,144 --> 00:08:18,784 Speaker 3: feeling equal parts confused and invested. First up, we can 198 00:08:18,864 --> 00:08:23,544 Speaker 3: kick off with the speculations between Austin Butler and Zoey Kravitz. Now, 199 00:08:23,864 --> 00:08:26,664 Speaker 3: it's definitely unexpected, but it's not totally unbelievable to me. 200 00:08:26,704 --> 00:08:29,504 Speaker 1: I'm like two young hot people like I see that 201 00:08:29,544 --> 00:08:29,904 Speaker 1: for them. 202 00:08:30,504 --> 00:08:32,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, hot people are drawn to each other, and I 203 00:08:32,304 --> 00:08:33,984 Speaker 2: love that for them. And I guess they're coming off 204 00:08:34,024 --> 00:08:36,904 Speaker 2: the back of Zoe Kravitz ending her engagement to Channing 205 00:08:36,944 --> 00:08:39,784 Speaker 2: Tam and then Austin Butler breaking up with Kaya Goerber 206 00:08:39,864 --> 00:08:42,224 Speaker 2: after they've been together for many years. I'm gonna say, 207 00:08:42,224 --> 00:08:44,064 Speaker 2: this is what I'm kind of on the fence a 208 00:08:44,064 --> 00:08:47,544 Speaker 2: little bit about, because the photos of them kissing where 209 00:08:47,544 --> 00:08:50,144 Speaker 2: they're like really going down and kissing, are them filming 210 00:08:50,184 --> 00:08:50,624 Speaker 2: their scene? 211 00:08:50,664 --> 00:08:51,624 Speaker 1: It looks like it's on set. 212 00:08:51,784 --> 00:08:53,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on the set. They're just filming out the 213 00:08:53,304 --> 00:08:55,544 Speaker 2: streets of New York. It's their new movie Court Stealing. 214 00:08:55,784 --> 00:08:57,384 Speaker 2: So I saw that and I was like, well, that's 215 00:08:57,384 --> 00:08:59,944 Speaker 2: a set photo. But then it's the photos when they 216 00:08:59,984 --> 00:09:02,144 Speaker 2: went to a play and they're standing kind of in 217 00:09:02,184 --> 00:09:04,144 Speaker 2: the lobby, and I think people are just kind of 218 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:06,464 Speaker 2: filming them very covertly so you can't really see where. 219 00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:08,464 Speaker 2: It looks like they're kind of there's no other word 220 00:09:08,464 --> 00:09:11,344 Speaker 2: for it. It looks like they're can noodling noodle. But there's 221 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:13,424 Speaker 2: other people from the set. They're like the directors there 222 00:09:13,424 --> 00:09:16,264 Speaker 2: and the car, So like, was it just like a group? 223 00:09:16,544 --> 00:09:18,584 Speaker 3: And I can imagine you become really close when you 224 00:09:18,624 --> 00:09:20,744 Speaker 3: are in that setting where your job is to ca 225 00:09:20,864 --> 00:09:23,384 Speaker 3: noodle on a daily basis, so you would naturally have 226 00:09:23,464 --> 00:09:27,264 Speaker 3: that like chemistry with each other. I'm not one hundred 227 00:09:27,264 --> 00:09:30,024 Speaker 3: percent convinced that there are a couple, but I wouldn't 228 00:09:30,024 --> 00:09:32,384 Speaker 3: be surprised if there'd been like a casual like the 229 00:09:32,504 --> 00:09:33,264 Speaker 3: cup in between. 230 00:09:33,824 --> 00:09:36,264 Speaker 2: I feel like Zoe Kravitz sometimes loves just a dumb 231 00:09:36,344 --> 00:09:38,424 Speaker 2: guy though, and I feel like Austin Butler doesn't come 232 00:09:38,464 --> 00:09:41,704 Speaker 2: across as dumb. He comes across as like overly pretentious 233 00:09:41,744 --> 00:09:44,184 Speaker 2: and artsy, but then she likes the guy that as well. 234 00:09:44,224 --> 00:09:45,504 Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like she's maybe she's an 235 00:09:45,504 --> 00:09:47,984 Speaker 2: equal opportunitist just to date whoever it comes along. 236 00:09:48,104 --> 00:09:50,544 Speaker 3: I mean, so fair of her. If Austin Butler came along, 237 00:09:50,544 --> 00:09:52,704 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be opposed. I also love for her that 238 00:09:52,784 --> 00:09:54,424 Speaker 3: the roomors kind of have come up because I know 239 00:09:54,944 --> 00:09:58,744 Speaker 3: Channing Tatum recently like has been spotted with his new 240 00:09:58,984 --> 00:10:01,744 Speaker 3: partners twenty five year old model Australian model. 241 00:10:01,824 --> 00:10:04,904 Speaker 2: Actually yeah, good on her, no shade to her. But 242 00:10:04,944 --> 00:10:07,304 Speaker 2: of course, like this man who's like he's like nearly 243 00:10:07,344 --> 00:10:08,904 Speaker 2: fifty is dating a twenty five that's. 244 00:10:08,744 --> 00:10:11,664 Speaker 1: Surprised us in new ways. Yeah, exactly, it's overdone. 245 00:10:11,944 --> 00:10:14,864 Speaker 2: So they haven't so zoeing and Austin haven't said anything 246 00:10:14,864 --> 00:10:16,504 Speaker 2: about the dating, but like there's been all these like 247 00:10:16,544 --> 00:10:19,224 Speaker 2: little plants of like sources say they're just friends. So 248 00:10:19,304 --> 00:10:21,904 Speaker 2: I wonder if that close. Yeah, I've seen that. 249 00:10:22,104 --> 00:10:25,464 Speaker 3: The sources say it's not serious. They might well as 250 00:10:25,504 --> 00:10:28,104 Speaker 3: it casual. Give us more details. You're going to be 251 00:10:28,144 --> 00:10:28,624 Speaker 3: a source. 252 00:10:28,904 --> 00:10:31,144 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're Yeah, exactly. I'm sure there's loving like 253 00:10:31,184 --> 00:10:33,584 Speaker 2: a bit of extra promo for the movie totally. So. 254 00:10:33,624 --> 00:10:36,384 Speaker 2: The other more unexpected couple that I feel like no 255 00:10:36,424 --> 00:10:39,784 Speaker 2: one saw coming is Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau. 256 00:10:40,464 --> 00:10:42,504 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I feel like Katy Perry is having 257 00:10:42,504 --> 00:10:44,984 Speaker 3: her comeback this She's been a busy year for Katie Perry. 258 00:10:45,024 --> 00:10:45,344 Speaker 2: This year. 259 00:10:45,384 --> 00:10:46,144 Speaker 1: She was in space. 260 00:10:46,704 --> 00:10:48,824 Speaker 3: Now she's seen with a former prime minister. Like, what 261 00:10:48,944 --> 00:10:50,224 Speaker 3: is next for our girl, Katie? 262 00:10:50,344 --> 00:10:53,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So she was with Orlando Bloom for close 263 00:10:53,144 --> 00:10:55,104 Speaker 2: to ten years. They're engaged. They have a little girl 264 00:10:55,144 --> 00:10:58,504 Speaker 2: called Daisy Dove Bloom, which I don't know the baby names. 265 00:10:58,504 --> 00:11:00,864 Speaker 2: I'm quite into that one. And they did release a 266 00:11:00,904 --> 00:11:04,104 Speaker 2: statement saying that they were splitting up the co parenting. 267 00:11:04,224 --> 00:11:06,424 Speaker 2: She's talked about the breakup on stage a little bit, 268 00:11:06,864 --> 00:11:09,624 Speaker 2: but haven't really gone into detail of what happened between 269 00:11:09,624 --> 00:11:12,424 Speaker 2: her and Orlando. And then these photos came out in 270 00:11:12,424 --> 00:11:15,664 Speaker 2: Montreal of her and Justin Trudeau and they're on TMZ 271 00:11:15,904 --> 00:11:18,264 Speaker 2: and so they're obviously taken without consent, so it's not great. 272 00:11:18,264 --> 00:11:21,384 Speaker 2: But skirting past that, it's like they're in this restaurant 273 00:11:21,384 --> 00:11:23,464 Speaker 2: there in this kind of private area, and it's almost 274 00:11:23,504 --> 00:11:26,064 Speaker 2: looked like the way someone's taken the photos they're filming, 275 00:11:26,104 --> 00:11:28,184 Speaker 2: like the glass ceiling above where you can see the 276 00:11:28,264 --> 00:11:30,064 Speaker 2: reflection of what they're doing. 277 00:11:30,624 --> 00:11:31,744 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. 278 00:11:31,744 --> 00:11:35,544 Speaker 3: Apparently they are school friends, so they have, right, they 279 00:11:35,544 --> 00:11:37,504 Speaker 3: have a little bit of history. Yeah, I think, but 280 00:11:38,224 --> 00:11:40,464 Speaker 3: if you said someone's name that I went to school with, 281 00:11:40,544 --> 00:11:41,224 Speaker 3: I would remember. 282 00:11:41,224 --> 00:11:44,744 Speaker 2: So you know how the school friends connection. 283 00:11:45,064 --> 00:11:46,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure they do, unless I've just like 284 00:11:46,824 --> 00:11:48,624 Speaker 3: started a roomarks Yeah. 285 00:11:48,704 --> 00:11:50,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I mean they might. Yeah, they must have. 286 00:11:50,304 --> 00:11:52,344 Speaker 2: So I know they kind of move in some similar 287 00:11:52,384 --> 00:11:54,664 Speaker 2: circles in terms of just like being rich, powerful people. 288 00:11:54,744 --> 00:11:56,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been in space, I'm sure. 289 00:11:56,864 --> 00:11:59,584 Speaker 2: Actually, there's a group chat for that. So it's got 290 00:11:59,624 --> 00:12:01,704 Speaker 2: to the stage where their night out, their date night 291 00:12:01,784 --> 00:12:04,984 Speaker 2: has been tracked really intently. So Entertainment Tonight actually did 292 00:12:05,064 --> 00:12:07,744 Speaker 2: like a full like map and a tracking and like 293 00:12:07,784 --> 00:12:09,984 Speaker 2: they went to each venue and got like different notes 294 00:12:09,984 --> 00:12:12,064 Speaker 2: on what they had done and said I love that. 295 00:12:12,264 --> 00:12:14,304 Speaker 2: I mean people say journalism is dead, And to that, 296 00:12:14,424 --> 00:12:15,744 Speaker 2: I say, just look at this girl. 297 00:12:15,784 --> 00:12:16,304 Speaker 1: Look at the fact. 298 00:12:16,424 --> 00:12:19,344 Speaker 2: So they had a two hour dinner that was their 299 00:12:19,384 --> 00:12:22,624 Speaker 2: first stop, and they ate. So they contacted the restaurant 300 00:12:22,624 --> 00:12:26,064 Speaker 2: to get information exactly what they ate. So they had tuna, 301 00:12:26,504 --> 00:12:28,624 Speaker 2: which for a date is. 302 00:12:28,624 --> 00:12:30,624 Speaker 1: It like a like sashimi tuna. 303 00:12:30,904 --> 00:12:32,784 Speaker 2: I believe they didn't get those details. And maybe journal 304 00:12:33,224 --> 00:12:33,744 Speaker 2: she like a. 305 00:12:33,824 --> 00:12:37,024 Speaker 3: Raw tuna's date food because it's very delicate, you can 306 00:12:37,064 --> 00:12:37,504 Speaker 3: pick at it. 307 00:12:37,584 --> 00:12:38,864 Speaker 1: True, I would trink a tuna. 308 00:12:38,984 --> 00:12:41,744 Speaker 2: I was more thinking that. Yeah, maybe I was maybe 309 00:12:41,984 --> 00:12:45,024 Speaker 2: thinking to smell, but maybe it's a very fancy restaurant. 310 00:12:45,184 --> 00:12:48,984 Speaker 2: Then they had beef, tatar, lobster, and pasta. And the 311 00:12:49,024 --> 00:12:51,664 Speaker 2: person who they talked to at the restaurant, who maybe 312 00:12:51,664 --> 00:12:54,104 Speaker 2: didn't know that their comments were on the record and 313 00:12:54,144 --> 00:12:56,904 Speaker 2: going viral, was really strict of saying there was no 314 00:12:57,024 --> 00:12:59,464 Speaker 2: PD eight, no PD eight, or it was a PDA 315 00:12:59,544 --> 00:13:00,064 Speaker 2: free dinner. 316 00:13:00,144 --> 00:13:02,944 Speaker 1: Sounds like they do know. Yeah, it sounds like they 317 00:13:02,984 --> 00:13:04,064 Speaker 1: were brief to say that, but I did. 318 00:13:04,104 --> 00:13:06,344 Speaker 2: Also, they were sitting at in like an open plan thing, 319 00:13:06,464 --> 00:13:08,344 Speaker 2: and maybe if they were having a romantic dinner, they 320 00:13:08,344 --> 00:13:09,864 Speaker 2: were just very aware that if they wanted to kiss 321 00:13:09,904 --> 00:13:10,344 Speaker 2: and hold hair. 322 00:13:10,584 --> 00:13:13,024 Speaker 3: That wasn't and there is dinner. Yeah, I don't know 323 00:13:13,064 --> 00:13:14,744 Speaker 3: how much cannudling you can do. 324 00:13:14,704 --> 00:13:18,464 Speaker 2: It, that's true. Well, they moved on to their second location, 325 00:13:19,064 --> 00:13:21,304 Speaker 2: which was a nightcap, so they ended the night with 326 00:13:21,344 --> 00:13:24,624 Speaker 2: a cocktail on the terrace of this kind of fans 327 00:13:25,464 --> 00:13:29,904 Speaker 2: and apparently Katie had a Canadian whiskey. I like it journalism. 328 00:13:30,064 --> 00:13:31,544 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the detail. 329 00:13:31,664 --> 00:13:34,584 Speaker 3: Now, I think this is entering date territory. Yes, going 330 00:13:34,584 --> 00:13:37,064 Speaker 3: from dinner to like drink. It sounds like you start 331 00:13:37,104 --> 00:13:39,304 Speaker 3: with the dinner because you don't know whether you want 332 00:13:39,304 --> 00:13:40,984 Speaker 3: to continue on for the drink, and if the date 333 00:13:41,024 --> 00:13:44,544 Speaker 3: goes well, then you go through your Canadian whiskey exactly. 334 00:13:44,584 --> 00:13:46,184 Speaker 2: Well, if you think that sounds like a date strip 335 00:13:46,184 --> 00:13:50,704 Speaker 2: in for this next part because the next part also 336 00:13:50,744 --> 00:13:53,424 Speaker 2: who's following them? Of all the timeline wrong. They did 337 00:13:53,464 --> 00:13:56,104 Speaker 2: this first. The first time they were spotted was on 338 00:13:56,104 --> 00:13:58,824 Speaker 2: a walk in the park, so it was Justin Katie 339 00:13:59,064 --> 00:14:01,584 Speaker 2: on the same day. Yeah, on the same day this 340 00:14:01,704 --> 00:14:03,344 Speaker 2: so obviously the walk went really well. So then they 341 00:14:03,384 --> 00:14:05,104 Speaker 2: went to dinner, then they went to the nightcap, then 342 00:14:05,104 --> 00:14:08,024 Speaker 2: they disappeared. But so Justin and Katie went on a 343 00:14:08,024 --> 00:14:10,984 Speaker 2: walk with her dog, Nugget. I would love I love 344 00:14:11,224 --> 00:14:11,904 Speaker 2: thoughts on this. 345 00:14:11,944 --> 00:14:14,384 Speaker 1: I want one dog called Chicken and one dog called Nugget. 346 00:14:14,424 --> 00:14:16,304 Speaker 2: It would be really cute. And that to Katie Perry 347 00:14:16,464 --> 00:14:19,224 Speaker 2: like she'd love that. She loved that. Yet Nugget went 348 00:14:19,264 --> 00:14:22,224 Speaker 2: on a nineteen minute walk through the Mount Royal Park. 349 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:26,344 Speaker 1: Okay, Nugget, it's a long walk for a little nugget. 350 00:14:25,944 --> 00:14:27,904 Speaker 2: I I'd love to hear what Nugget thought, because I 351 00:14:28,064 --> 00:14:30,464 Speaker 2: would have heard their whole conversation. And is really our 352 00:14:30,464 --> 00:14:31,544 Speaker 2: only reliable witness. 353 00:14:31,624 --> 00:14:34,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, we need a situation that's so interesting. This gives 354 00:14:34,984 --> 00:14:37,024 Speaker 1: now I don't know if this is a first date. 355 00:14:37,464 --> 00:14:39,744 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if she's getting ready after the 356 00:14:40,304 --> 00:14:41,224 Speaker 3: was there an intermission? 357 00:14:41,384 --> 00:14:43,744 Speaker 2: Well, again, they haven't provided those facts. Well, but I'm 358 00:14:43,784 --> 00:14:45,784 Speaker 2: thinking so the walks during the day, so maybe it 359 00:14:45,824 --> 00:14:47,704 Speaker 2: was just a casual like let's meet up for a walk. 360 00:14:47,944 --> 00:14:50,864 Speaker 2: They walk for nineteen minutes, which is quite a long 361 00:14:50,904 --> 00:14:53,544 Speaker 2: time to be having like a first kind of date conversation. 362 00:14:53,744 --> 00:14:55,584 Speaker 2: I also think a walk is like quite a good 363 00:14:55,704 --> 00:14:57,984 Speaker 2: first date thing. I love a walk and a drink. 364 00:14:58,024 --> 00:14:59,664 Speaker 2: I feel like a dinner sometimes yes, too. 365 00:14:59,624 --> 00:15:01,424 Speaker 3: Much for a Yes, I think a walk and then 366 00:15:01,464 --> 00:15:04,464 Speaker 3: you can have like an afternoon drink somewhere is quite nice. 367 00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:08,104 Speaker 3: Sometimes I do like dinner because I'm quick to judge, 368 00:15:08,464 --> 00:15:10,144 Speaker 3: But if I'm at dinner, I can't. 369 00:15:10,744 --> 00:15:15,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, at least on a walk, you can kind 370 00:15:15,424 --> 00:15:17,344 Speaker 2: of peter off and you're like, kind of there's movement 371 00:15:17,544 --> 00:15:17,944 Speaker 2: just going to. 372 00:15:18,024 --> 00:15:20,784 Speaker 1: The bathroom, you run away, exactly. 373 00:15:20,424 --> 00:15:22,504 Speaker 2: You can just like so they did a walk, a drink, 374 00:15:22,584 --> 00:15:24,624 Speaker 2: a dinner, and then they went out of sight then 375 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:26,624 Speaker 2: they couldn't track them. I feel like that sounds like 376 00:15:26,664 --> 00:15:27,544 Speaker 2: a full date day. 377 00:15:27,664 --> 00:15:28,304 Speaker 1: This is a date. 378 00:15:28,544 --> 00:15:29,304 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go. 379 00:15:29,504 --> 00:15:30,064 Speaker 1: We can climate. 380 00:15:30,184 --> 00:15:31,744 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a real couple. Then I was 381 00:15:31,824 --> 00:15:34,184 Speaker 2: kind of on the fence, but now I feel maybe I. 382 00:15:34,184 --> 00:15:36,304 Speaker 3: Think, in what world would they be hanging out as 383 00:15:36,344 --> 00:15:39,144 Speaker 3: friends doing these date like activities. 384 00:15:39,184 --> 00:15:41,304 Speaker 1: So I definitely think it's date territory. 385 00:15:41,424 --> 00:15:43,464 Speaker 2: And he's not that fresh off like his divorce with 386 00:15:43,504 --> 00:15:44,344 Speaker 2: his wife as well. 387 00:15:44,424 --> 00:15:45,864 Speaker 1: Yeah it's only a couple of years. 388 00:15:45,704 --> 00:15:48,064 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, great. 389 00:15:47,944 --> 00:15:51,424 Speaker 3: She would maybe they're bonding, maybe they're rebounding together exactly. 390 00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:53,144 Speaker 2: And I've seen people comment and say, like, oh my god, 391 00:15:53,224 --> 00:15:55,744 Speaker 2: Katy Perry's just broke up with Orlando and she's jumping 392 00:15:55,784 --> 00:15:57,984 Speaker 2: into a new relationship. I'm like, guys, you think they 393 00:15:58,064 --> 00:16:00,824 Speaker 2: broke up on the day and then we found out, Yes, 394 00:16:01,584 --> 00:16:03,584 Speaker 2: Like I feel like they've been broken up for many months, 395 00:16:03,584 --> 00:16:05,504 Speaker 2: and then they released the statement. 396 00:16:05,184 --> 00:16:07,224 Speaker 1: Totally I think. I think we're the last to get 397 00:16:07,264 --> 00:16:08,424 Speaker 1: the news anyway. 398 00:16:08,584 --> 00:16:11,504 Speaker 2: So I hope those guys have a lovely next date 399 00:16:11,584 --> 00:16:13,784 Speaker 2: and I look forward to nuggets. Tell all, I look 400 00:16:13,824 --> 00:16:18,784 Speaker 2: forward to the time and then our other unexpected couple, Guys, 401 00:16:18,784 --> 00:16:21,944 Speaker 2: things come in threes. Is Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson. 402 00:16:22,184 --> 00:16:25,184 Speaker 3: I never thought their social spheres would touch, like they 403 00:16:25,304 --> 00:16:29,344 Speaker 3: just feel like two complete opposites. But I'm invested in 404 00:16:29,384 --> 00:16:32,224 Speaker 3: this one. I think it's so sweet. I'm here for it. 405 00:16:32,304 --> 00:16:33,944 Speaker 2: I feel like a couple of years ago, they would 406 00:16:33,984 --> 00:16:35,904 Speaker 2: have made more sense because they were both like big 407 00:16:35,904 --> 00:16:38,184 Speaker 2: Hollywood actors. They both kind of seemed to run the 408 00:16:38,264 --> 00:16:41,424 Speaker 2: same circles. But Liam Neesan, he talks like kind of 409 00:16:41,424 --> 00:16:43,904 Speaker 2: being out of Hollywood and off the grid, especially since 410 00:16:43,944 --> 00:16:46,904 Speaker 2: his late wife, Natasha Richardson so tragically died. I know, 411 00:16:47,304 --> 00:16:49,464 Speaker 2: I feel like his kids with her say they watched 412 00:16:49,464 --> 00:16:51,664 Speaker 2: the parent Trap when they missed their mom because oh 413 00:16:51,704 --> 00:16:53,704 Speaker 2: my god, it's a character that was most close to 414 00:16:53,744 --> 00:16:55,064 Speaker 2: her real personality. 415 00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:57,984 Speaker 1: I think of her. I love that movie so much. 416 00:16:58,024 --> 00:16:59,944 Speaker 1: I just imagined she would be very close to that 417 00:16:59,984 --> 00:17:02,584 Speaker 1: in real life. That's so sweet that her kids watched 418 00:17:02,624 --> 00:17:03,104 Speaker 1: that night. 419 00:17:03,224 --> 00:17:05,824 Speaker 2: Cute. So she Yeah, she died after a very tragic 420 00:17:05,864 --> 00:17:08,664 Speaker 2: skiing accident. So he sort of talked about retreating from Hollywood, 421 00:17:08,664 --> 00:17:11,384 Speaker 2: being for his kids and then obviously working when he 422 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:14,264 Speaker 2: has to. And then Pamela Anderson was shunned from Hollywood 423 00:17:14,304 --> 00:17:17,424 Speaker 2: for a while, had a really terrible breakup from Tommy Lee, 424 00:17:17,504 --> 00:17:19,864 Speaker 2: and then she moved like a little island off Canada. 425 00:17:19,904 --> 00:17:21,904 Speaker 2: I think it was like renovating house and was like, 426 00:17:22,184 --> 00:17:24,304 Speaker 2: I'm not fit, Yeah, exactly. And then she did a 427 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:26,744 Speaker 2: documentary about renovating her house, which was great as well. 428 00:17:27,264 --> 00:17:29,984 Speaker 2: But you know, she looks like makeup free stress. 429 00:17:29,584 --> 00:17:32,464 Speaker 1: For she stunning, Yeah, gorgeous. 430 00:17:32,504 --> 00:17:35,624 Speaker 3: I think it's just interesting they're dating his trees as well. 431 00:17:35,624 --> 00:17:37,624 Speaker 3: When she touched on it, I mean, she's been married 432 00:17:37,664 --> 00:17:41,704 Speaker 3: five times and he's had his one relationship, which I guess, 433 00:17:41,784 --> 00:17:43,544 Speaker 3: you know, he's been off the grid for a while 434 00:17:43,544 --> 00:17:47,024 Speaker 3: in the dating scene and having like pam Anderson you 435 00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:51,584 Speaker 3: know Baywatch sex symbol nineties icon, and then you've got 436 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:55,024 Speaker 3: the very stoic like I just think of Taken. 437 00:17:55,504 --> 00:17:58,224 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you're like if I've given Troubleman to call 438 00:17:58,264 --> 00:18:01,144 Speaker 2: lib Yeah yeah. I like Pamela Anderson just comes across 439 00:18:01,144 --> 00:18:04,064 Speaker 2: as like an absolute hopeless romantic, which is why she's 440 00:18:04,064 --> 00:18:05,984 Speaker 2: been married so many times, Like she just wants to 441 00:18:06,024 --> 00:18:06,584 Speaker 2: find love. 442 00:18:06,664 --> 00:18:09,864 Speaker 3: And I see that, and I think it's not totally 443 00:18:09,904 --> 00:18:13,264 Speaker 3: surprised that they would get along because obviously she's very intelligent, 444 00:18:13,344 --> 00:18:16,624 Speaker 3: she's an activist. There's more behind her just being like 445 00:18:16,704 --> 00:18:18,864 Speaker 3: this sex symbol, and they. 446 00:18:18,784 --> 00:18:21,464 Speaker 1: Just look really sweet. I'm really glad that this one 447 00:18:21,504 --> 00:18:23,144 Speaker 1: has been confirmed. 448 00:18:23,264 --> 00:18:25,664 Speaker 2: I'm still it has been confirmed. It took me a 449 00:18:25,664 --> 00:18:27,304 Speaker 2: while to sort of get on board with it because 450 00:18:27,304 --> 00:18:29,824 Speaker 2: obviously they're starting together in the Naked Gun and that's 451 00:18:29,824 --> 00:18:31,744 Speaker 2: a huge thing where they're saying like it could be 452 00:18:31,784 --> 00:18:34,544 Speaker 2: the movie that brings back this type of comedy which 453 00:18:34,824 --> 00:18:37,144 Speaker 2: went to streaming for a while but could potentially come 454 00:18:37,144 --> 00:18:39,264 Speaker 2: back to cinemas, and so there's a lot riding on 455 00:18:39,304 --> 00:18:41,904 Speaker 2: this movie. So all these photos came out of them 456 00:18:41,904 --> 00:18:45,624 Speaker 2: at like press events, half kissing and hugging, but. 457 00:18:45,704 --> 00:18:47,704 Speaker 1: It feels like there's so much of that at the moment. 458 00:18:47,864 --> 00:18:50,984 Speaker 2: Doing that kind of like pre press for a movie dontween. 459 00:18:50,704 --> 00:18:55,144 Speaker 3: Like everyone seems to have this off screen chemistry which 460 00:18:55,184 --> 00:18:57,984 Speaker 3: is going beyond the film conveniently at the time of. 461 00:18:57,904 --> 00:18:58,984 Speaker 1: The press tours. 462 00:18:59,384 --> 00:19:02,224 Speaker 3: I think the reason I believe it more is looking 463 00:19:02,264 --> 00:19:04,784 Speaker 3: at their age. I just would like to think that 464 00:19:05,064 --> 00:19:06,944 Speaker 3: by that point they're like, let's just be together. 465 00:19:07,304 --> 00:19:08,904 Speaker 2: I know, I kind of want. It's so funny. I 466 00:19:08,864 --> 00:19:10,944 Speaker 2: actually think that they're playing in to it in a 467 00:19:11,064 --> 00:19:14,024 Speaker 2: huge way. Yeah, how sometimes you feel like potentially the 468 00:19:14,104 --> 00:19:15,784 Speaker 2: cast is like they're a bit in on the joke, 469 00:19:15,824 --> 00:19:18,704 Speaker 2: but not completely. Whereas the first images that came out, 470 00:19:18,744 --> 00:19:20,904 Speaker 2: it was so clearly a publicity, so the way they 471 00:19:20,904 --> 00:19:23,344 Speaker 2: were posing on the red carpet, and then they're doing 472 00:19:23,384 --> 00:19:25,984 Speaker 2: interviews and the camera pans to them and they pretend 473 00:19:26,024 --> 00:19:28,024 Speaker 2: to hug and like pull away, so like they get 474 00:19:28,064 --> 00:19:30,984 Speaker 2: around the joke. But then a few interviewers have been 475 00:19:30,984 --> 00:19:33,704 Speaker 2: because they did like the morning show rounds in America 476 00:19:33,744 --> 00:19:36,784 Speaker 2: and stuff like that for the movie, and one interviewer 477 00:19:36,864 --> 00:19:38,904 Speaker 2: was like, so, you guys an item and it was 478 00:19:38,944 --> 00:19:41,744 Speaker 2: so funny because Pamela Anderson, she just looks so shocked, 479 00:19:41,984 --> 00:19:43,944 Speaker 2: and then Liam Neathan gets really he gets like a 480 00:19:44,024 --> 00:19:46,584 Speaker 2: dad voice and he's like, come on, come on, now, 481 00:19:46,704 --> 00:19:48,824 Speaker 2: come on, come on, and he's like, not even mad, 482 00:19:48,864 --> 00:19:51,504 Speaker 2: he's just disappointed. And then he's like he does this 483 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:54,824 Speaker 2: roundabout thing where he's like, we've got the sense of 484 00:19:54,864 --> 00:19:57,984 Speaker 2: an idea, of a vibe that we're cultivating God, and 485 00:19:58,504 --> 00:19:59,304 Speaker 2: where it goes. 486 00:19:59,144 --> 00:20:01,024 Speaker 1: Sounds like a conversation I've had. 487 00:20:02,744 --> 00:20:04,744 Speaker 2: You're like, how do I say we're dating but not dating? 488 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:07,184 Speaker 3: Oh my, it would be so hard to navigate that 489 00:20:07,344 --> 00:20:09,664 Speaker 3: because I think if when I'm in the early stages 490 00:20:09,664 --> 00:20:11,664 Speaker 3: of seeing someone, I'm not going to tell my parents. 491 00:20:11,744 --> 00:20:13,584 Speaker 1: No, I can imagine why they don't want to tell. 492 00:20:13,624 --> 00:20:16,184 Speaker 2: The whole world. But then they're on press. So it 493 00:20:16,224 --> 00:20:18,224 Speaker 2: was just funny. I was like, wow, lean Nesan being 494 00:20:18,264 --> 00:20:21,184 Speaker 2: disappointed in your question, it would just cut so deep. 495 00:20:21,464 --> 00:20:24,784 Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson's just laughing. She looks so shocked. But then 496 00:20:24,944 --> 00:20:26,784 Speaker 2: that same night they're kissing on a red carpet. 497 00:20:27,184 --> 00:20:30,544 Speaker 1: Surely not this question was not approved? 498 00:20:30,704 --> 00:20:32,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You can definitely tell it was. 499 00:20:32,544 --> 00:20:32,624 Speaker 3: It. 500 00:20:32,784 --> 00:20:34,584 Speaker 2: You can see Lens is like trying to like de 501 00:20:34,744 --> 00:20:37,024 Speaker 2: escalate the situation. It in but then gives a non 502 00:20:37,064 --> 00:20:40,024 Speaker 2: answer and basically says that, like their chemistry is amazing 503 00:20:40,584 --> 00:20:42,944 Speaker 2: and they're just seeing where it goes. And then like 504 00:20:42,944 --> 00:20:44,704 Speaker 2: to their like to Pamela, what was the best thing 505 00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:46,664 Speaker 2: about working on the movie? And she's like the script 506 00:20:46,744 --> 00:20:48,824 Speaker 2: and him, and then she kind of like runs away 507 00:20:48,984 --> 00:20:49,624 Speaker 2: on a red carpet. 508 00:20:49,704 --> 00:20:50,984 Speaker 1: Now, I don't know how I feel. I thought it 509 00:20:51,024 --> 00:20:53,144 Speaker 1: was really sweet before. I wanted to give him a 510 00:20:53,184 --> 00:20:53,824 Speaker 1: happy ending. 511 00:20:54,064 --> 00:20:57,384 Speaker 2: I know, I think maybe when the promo stuff started, 512 00:20:57,424 --> 00:20:59,904 Speaker 2: they maybe weren't dating, even though the movie was filmed 513 00:20:59,904 --> 00:21:02,864 Speaker 2: a while ago, but maybe now they are. People said 514 00:21:02,864 --> 00:21:05,544 Speaker 2: they're dating, and they had confirmed with multiple sources, and 515 00:21:05,624 --> 00:21:07,904 Speaker 2: usually people only does that if they have confirmed with 516 00:21:07,944 --> 00:21:09,104 Speaker 2: like directly with their manager. 517 00:21:09,264 --> 00:21:12,624 Speaker 3: Yeah, right from early on he had said in an 518 00:21:12,664 --> 00:21:14,984 Speaker 3: interview he's in love with her, but this was prior. 519 00:21:14,704 --> 00:21:17,904 Speaker 1: To like any before. He'd better prior to the rumors 520 00:21:17,904 --> 00:21:19,264 Speaker 1: because he started the rumors. 521 00:21:19,344 --> 00:21:21,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just at the end of the day, like, 522 00:21:21,584 --> 00:21:23,584 Speaker 2: I think they're both acting a little too inns and 523 00:21:23,584 --> 00:21:25,144 Speaker 2: it's like they may be dating, but I'm like, in 524 00:21:25,264 --> 00:21:26,864 Speaker 2: terms of promo, I'm like, you guys know. 525 00:21:26,824 --> 00:21:29,104 Speaker 3: Exactly what you're doing and you've been around long enough 526 00:21:29,304 --> 00:21:31,704 Speaker 3: to know that people are going to be asking questions. 527 00:21:33,704 --> 00:21:37,504 Speaker 2: So onto a topic that has really divided people, and 528 00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:40,344 Speaker 2: that is Sidney Sweeney's new ad campaign. So she's in 529 00:21:40,384 --> 00:21:44,144 Speaker 2: a new campaign for the clothing brand American Eagle. And 530 00:21:44,424 --> 00:21:46,624 Speaker 2: at first glance, you're like, this makes a lot of sense. 531 00:21:46,824 --> 00:21:50,304 Speaker 2: It's a blonde, beautiful young actress. She's starring in a 532 00:21:50,384 --> 00:21:53,824 Speaker 2: jeens campaign. You know that seems like a very Yeah, exactly, 533 00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:56,264 Speaker 2: it seems like something. You know, actresses attach their name 534 00:21:56,304 --> 00:21:59,544 Speaker 2: to brands all the time, until you actually see the 535 00:21:59,624 --> 00:22:03,904 Speaker 2: poster and you see the full commercial, listen to the dialogue, 536 00:22:04,224 --> 00:22:07,384 Speaker 2: and the problem immediately jumps out at you. I'm not 537 00:22:07,424 --> 00:22:10,504 Speaker 2: here to tell you to buy American Engle Chance, and 538 00:22:10,544 --> 00:22:13,344 Speaker 2: I definitely won't say that they're the most comfortable Chance. 539 00:22:13,144 --> 00:22:17,984 Speaker 1: I've ever woron, or that they make your butt look amazing. 540 00:22:20,304 --> 00:22:21,184 Speaker 3: Why mightn't need to do that? 541 00:22:22,664 --> 00:22:25,224 Speaker 1: But if you said that you want to buy the jeans, 542 00:22:25,984 --> 00:22:28,744 Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop you. But as we're clear, 543 00:22:28,824 --> 00:22:31,984 Speaker 1: this is not me telling you to buy American Egal Chance, 544 00:22:32,304 --> 00:22:35,304 Speaker 1: Sidy s Tweeny Hasbury Keens. You see what I did there. 545 00:22:36,664 --> 00:22:40,584 Speaker 3: Jeans are passed done from parents to Aspring, often determining 546 00:22:40,624 --> 00:22:44,464 Speaker 3: traits like her color, personality, and even eye color. 547 00:22:45,704 --> 00:22:49,064 Speaker 1: My gens are blue, Sidy s Twenny Hasbury Keens. 548 00:22:49,664 --> 00:22:54,064 Speaker 3: Hearing it audio only without the visual actually makes much 549 00:22:54,144 --> 00:22:56,704 Speaker 3: more of an impact and you can see how probably 550 00:22:56,824 --> 00:22:59,904 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, I've seen the visual that goes 551 00:22:59,944 --> 00:23:00,624 Speaker 3: along with it. 552 00:23:00,664 --> 00:23:03,584 Speaker 1: And I think if you're not really listening, like you said, 553 00:23:03,864 --> 00:23:04,184 Speaker 1: you know. 554 00:23:04,464 --> 00:23:06,864 Speaker 2: Exactly, because when you're watching the commercial, it's like and 555 00:23:06,904 --> 00:23:09,544 Speaker 2: obviously like she's a gorgeous woman, she looks beautiful. She's 556 00:23:09,664 --> 00:23:12,264 Speaker 2: lying down, she's like buttoning up the gene, she's kind 557 00:23:12,304 --> 00:23:15,464 Speaker 2: of flexing, she's showing off the gene top. Like again, 558 00:23:15,504 --> 00:23:16,984 Speaker 2: if you're just watching it, it just looks like a 559 00:23:16,984 --> 00:23:20,144 Speaker 2: sexy ad until you hear the I've got good genes 560 00:23:20,264 --> 00:23:20,784 Speaker 2: part of it. 561 00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:24,064 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in today's climate, it just comes across 562 00:23:24,144 --> 00:23:26,024 Speaker 3: as super tone deaf. 563 00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:28,144 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we can say it's a 564 00:23:28,144 --> 00:23:28,784 Speaker 1: new thing. 565 00:23:28,744 --> 00:23:34,504 Speaker 3: To like glorify a white beauty standard, but just knowing 566 00:23:34,624 --> 00:23:37,464 Speaker 3: how the conversations are playing out at the moment with 567 00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:40,704 Speaker 3: privilege and race like around the world, it's just such 568 00:23:40,744 --> 00:23:43,344 Speaker 3: an interesting time to be releasing an ad like this, 569 00:23:43,464 --> 00:23:45,384 Speaker 3: like you have to think they knew what they were 570 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:46,024 Speaker 3: doing from. 571 00:23:45,944 --> 00:23:48,104 Speaker 2: One hundred percent for anyone who's out there, and it's like, oh, 572 00:23:48,144 --> 00:23:50,264 Speaker 2: they weren't aware. Of course they were aware, and I 573 00:23:50,264 --> 00:23:52,624 Speaker 2: think they just wanted to try and play a little 574 00:23:52,704 --> 00:23:54,944 Speaker 2: too close to the sun. So you've got two different 575 00:23:55,024 --> 00:23:57,064 Speaker 2: stances on this, and I feel like people have really 576 00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:59,544 Speaker 2: made their thoughts no one of which side of the 577 00:23:59,544 --> 00:24:02,064 Speaker 2: fence they're on. So you've got some people saying that 578 00:24:02,384 --> 00:24:06,984 Speaker 2: Sidney Sweeney as this kind of idealized white, blue eyed, 579 00:24:07,464 --> 00:24:11,224 Speaker 2: blonde beauty, is leaning into that idea that white genes 580 00:24:11,264 --> 00:24:15,184 Speaker 2: are superior and leading into that white supremacy thinking that 581 00:24:15,264 --> 00:24:18,584 Speaker 2: has been around well forever, but is again a huge 582 00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:21,224 Speaker 2: conversation again at the moment that has never really gone away. 583 00:24:21,464 --> 00:24:24,184 Speaker 2: And then you've got some other people saying like, this 584 00:24:24,224 --> 00:24:26,744 Speaker 2: is the end of woke advertising. It's meant to be 585 00:24:26,784 --> 00:24:29,304 Speaker 2: a joke. She's talking about genes. If you read anything 586 00:24:29,344 --> 00:24:32,064 Speaker 2: into it, that's on you. And these two sides of 587 00:24:32,064 --> 00:24:34,384 Speaker 2: the fence just can't meet in the middle on this idea. 588 00:24:34,464 --> 00:24:34,984 Speaker 1: I feel like. 589 00:24:34,944 --> 00:24:38,064 Speaker 3: Five years ago we wouldn't even be debating this because 590 00:24:38,064 --> 00:24:42,224 Speaker 3: there were way more conversations around social and racial issues 591 00:24:42,264 --> 00:24:46,144 Speaker 3: and people were less willing to forgive brands for this 592 00:24:46,264 --> 00:24:49,184 Speaker 3: kind of marketing. But it does feel like they're capitalizing 593 00:24:49,184 --> 00:24:51,544 Speaker 3: on it, Like surely they did a focus room and 594 00:24:51,704 --> 00:24:54,584 Speaker 3: they saw how outraged everyone was, and they were like, yeah, 595 00:24:54,704 --> 00:24:56,424 Speaker 3: this is the one exactly. 596 00:24:56,424 --> 00:24:58,064 Speaker 2: That's what I feel like. Again, this would have gone 597 00:24:58,064 --> 00:25:01,624 Speaker 2: through so many different hands, from like the concept to 598 00:25:01,744 --> 00:25:05,224 Speaker 2: like the mood boarding and styling to filming to someone 599 00:25:05,224 --> 00:25:07,224 Speaker 2: looking at the edit. So it's gone through so many hands, 600 00:25:07,544 --> 00:25:09,384 Speaker 2: and I think it's pretty safe to say that both 601 00:25:09,424 --> 00:25:13,224 Speaker 2: American Eagle and Sidney Sweeney's team knew exactly that it 602 00:25:13,224 --> 00:25:16,464 Speaker 2: would cause like a big reaction, but they wanted all 603 00:25:16,504 --> 00:25:18,424 Speaker 2: eyes on their product. They wanted to fly a little 604 00:25:18,424 --> 00:25:20,704 Speaker 2: bit close to the sun, they wanted debate, and I'm 605 00:25:20,704 --> 00:25:22,344 Speaker 2: sure they were thinking like, there's a group of people 606 00:25:22,384 --> 00:25:24,424 Speaker 2: who are going to be outraged, but we don't want 607 00:25:24,464 --> 00:25:27,024 Speaker 2: them as customers anyway. We're going for the different. 608 00:25:26,984 --> 00:25:30,384 Speaker 3: America's population, Like when you think about who they're actually 609 00:25:30,424 --> 00:25:33,504 Speaker 3: marketing to. Of course it's on the global stage using 610 00:25:33,504 --> 00:25:36,024 Speaker 3: a talent like Sydney Sweeney, Everyone's going to see it, 611 00:25:36,384 --> 00:25:39,944 Speaker 3: but their core audience and demographic is in America, and 612 00:25:39,944 --> 00:25:42,824 Speaker 3: there are lots of parts of America that would buy 613 00:25:42,904 --> 00:25:45,704 Speaker 3: into that, and it's just us from the outside looking in, 614 00:25:45,784 --> 00:25:47,624 Speaker 3: and we can see that much more clearly. It's also 615 00:25:47,664 --> 00:25:52,184 Speaker 3: interesting just as a brand American Eagle is targeted towards 616 00:25:52,304 --> 00:25:55,624 Speaker 3: young teens, so there's also alongside the. 617 00:25:55,624 --> 00:25:59,104 Speaker 1: Race, it's just overly sexualizing. 618 00:25:58,384 --> 00:26:01,224 Speaker 3: The genes as well at the same time, which seems 619 00:26:01,224 --> 00:26:04,744 Speaker 3: to be another move. Sydney Sweeney keeps finding herself in. 620 00:26:04,904 --> 00:26:08,224 Speaker 3: I know, she had that soap commercial that went live 621 00:26:08,304 --> 00:26:10,984 Speaker 3: which she was canceled for very brief flee. I think 622 00:26:10,984 --> 00:26:14,104 Speaker 3: that one was swept under the rug quite quickly. I 623 00:26:14,144 --> 00:26:16,464 Speaker 3: think she was asking little boys if they wanted to 624 00:26:16,584 --> 00:26:18,864 Speaker 3: use see her body, yeash. 625 00:26:18,984 --> 00:26:21,384 Speaker 2: And yeah, you could buy the bathwater and everything. See. 626 00:26:21,384 --> 00:26:24,304 Speaker 2: But the thing is, I think like Sidney Sweeney thrives 627 00:26:24,344 --> 00:26:27,744 Speaker 2: of this kind of like controversial, a little bit out 628 00:26:27,744 --> 00:26:30,344 Speaker 2: of the box. She's almost like a stunt person that 629 00:26:30,384 --> 00:26:33,264 Speaker 2: you bring into attached to your brand. So her and 630 00:26:33,344 --> 00:26:35,904 Speaker 2: her team feel so happy to kind of playing that space. 631 00:26:36,104 --> 00:26:37,824 Speaker 2: And I think it's because she knows to an extent, 632 00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:41,304 Speaker 2: like so far she's been so untouchable, like she can 633 00:26:41,344 --> 00:26:44,984 Speaker 2: attach herself to these really overly sexualized campaigns, and you 634 00:26:44,984 --> 00:26:46,664 Speaker 2: can just tell that she loves the drama because I 635 00:26:46,664 --> 00:26:48,704 Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, she's a businesswoman 636 00:26:48,744 --> 00:26:51,664 Speaker 2: and she sees dollars coming in the door. And previously 637 00:26:51,784 --> 00:26:54,064 Speaker 2: she's been in the middle of these big social media 638 00:26:54,104 --> 00:26:57,304 Speaker 2: pylons and backlash and she just either doesn't comment on 639 00:26:57,384 --> 00:26:59,944 Speaker 2: it and knowing it'll go away because her next project 640 00:26:59,984 --> 00:27:02,824 Speaker 2: will come out, or she addresses it and basically says, 641 00:27:03,224 --> 00:27:05,864 Speaker 2: I'm in the right. You guys are wrong. This is ridiculous. 642 00:27:05,904 --> 00:27:07,264 Speaker 2: Did you see that thing a few years ago about 643 00:27:07,304 --> 00:27:08,904 Speaker 2: her mum's sixtieth birthday party. 644 00:27:09,144 --> 00:27:12,504 Speaker 3: Yes, and they had hats that had a quote on 645 00:27:12,544 --> 00:27:15,584 Speaker 3: it which was like reminiscent of making America great Again. 646 00:27:15,664 --> 00:27:18,904 Speaker 3: They also had t shirts which said blue Lives Matter. 647 00:27:19,344 --> 00:27:22,264 Speaker 3: So when those photos emerged, there was obviously a lot 648 00:27:22,264 --> 00:27:26,544 Speaker 3: of commentary and backlash around you know, what her political 649 00:27:26,584 --> 00:27:29,544 Speaker 3: stance may be and what she's platforming. But it was 650 00:27:29,584 --> 00:27:31,864 Speaker 3: interesting because at the time I think she shut that 651 00:27:31,904 --> 00:27:32,704 Speaker 3: down pretty quickly. 652 00:27:32,824 --> 00:27:33,824 Speaker 1: There was an apology. 653 00:27:33,944 --> 00:27:36,544 Speaker 3: She said, you know, the party wasn't about anything political. 654 00:27:36,624 --> 00:27:42,304 Speaker 3: But it's hard to see that distinction because it clearly indicates. 655 00:27:41,744 --> 00:27:43,464 Speaker 1: You know, what your stance may. 656 00:27:43,344 --> 00:27:46,224 Speaker 2: Be, yeah, exactly, So like her mum's sixtieth, they said 657 00:27:46,264 --> 00:27:49,544 Speaker 2: make sixty great again, and then Blue Lives Matter, which 658 00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:51,464 Speaker 2: the context of that seems like a joke, but it's 659 00:27:51,464 --> 00:27:53,704 Speaker 2: also a bit of a whole slur of like taking 660 00:27:53,704 --> 00:27:56,144 Speaker 2: the idea of the Black Lives Matter movement and being like, well, 661 00:27:56,144 --> 00:27:58,464 Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. Yeah, is the kind of context that 662 00:27:58,504 --> 00:28:01,184 Speaker 2: I've seen pop up the most. So those photos came out, 663 00:28:01,264 --> 00:28:03,424 Speaker 2: everyone was like, Sidney twenty, this is so dangerous, Like, 664 00:28:03,464 --> 00:28:06,384 Speaker 2: we know it's a joke, but you're aligning yourself with 665 00:28:06,464 --> 00:28:09,544 Speaker 2: this very dangerous group of people in this rhetoric that 666 00:28:09,664 --> 00:28:11,984 Speaker 2: only white people will matter, and then people who have 667 00:28:11,984 --> 00:28:14,584 Speaker 2: a different lifestyle at any kind of sense should be 668 00:28:14,664 --> 00:28:18,384 Speaker 2: like kind of pushed aside, left out, targeted. Well, she 669 00:28:18,384 --> 00:28:21,264 Speaker 2: put out several statements and they were very angry of her, 670 00:28:21,344 --> 00:28:23,264 Speaker 2: saying like, how dare you kind of like take my 671 00:28:23,304 --> 00:28:26,184 Speaker 2: mother's birthday celebration and make it into something it's not. 672 00:28:26,584 --> 00:28:29,504 Speaker 2: We're just having fun. Can't anyone have fun anymore? Was 673 00:28:29,544 --> 00:28:31,824 Speaker 2: basically the gist of it. At the end, She's like 674 00:28:31,904 --> 00:28:34,664 Speaker 2: had and happy birthday mom. Three explaination monks, which is fine, 675 00:28:34,664 --> 00:28:36,344 Speaker 2: I'm sure her Mum's like, please don't bring me into this. 676 00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:38,744 Speaker 1: She's like, leave me out. Why do you post those photos? 677 00:28:38,944 --> 00:28:40,464 Speaker 2: That was a moment in time, but it blew over 678 00:28:40,504 --> 00:28:41,144 Speaker 2: pretty quickly. 679 00:28:41,664 --> 00:28:43,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think something like that. 680 00:28:43,504 --> 00:28:46,504 Speaker 3: You know, like I said before, if it had happened 681 00:28:46,584 --> 00:28:49,584 Speaker 3: maybe like five or ten years ago, it doesn't feel 682 00:28:49,624 --> 00:28:52,784 Speaker 3: like something that would be swept under the rug so quickly. 683 00:28:52,864 --> 00:28:56,184 Speaker 3: But there is definitely two camps at the moment, and 684 00:28:56,304 --> 00:28:59,264 Speaker 3: there's one side that's telling everyone to just get over it, 685 00:28:59,304 --> 00:28:59,584 Speaker 3: bove on. 686 00:28:59,664 --> 00:29:01,664 Speaker 1: It's not that deep. It's just a joke. 687 00:29:01,744 --> 00:29:04,504 Speaker 3: But usually those same people are not the people affected 688 00:29:04,504 --> 00:29:04,824 Speaker 3: by it. 689 00:29:05,024 --> 00:29:07,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I feel like American Eagle knew exactly what 690 00:29:07,784 --> 00:29:10,304 Speaker 2: they were doing in terms of who they would bring 691 00:29:10,504 --> 00:29:12,624 Speaker 2: in as their customer, and they're also probably doing a 692 00:29:12,664 --> 00:29:14,824 Speaker 2: temperature check on America at the moment, which is their 693 00:29:14,824 --> 00:29:18,344 Speaker 2: core base for this ad, and thinking we're aligning ourselves. 694 00:29:18,624 --> 00:29:21,664 Speaker 2: And this is so horrifying to say, aligning ourselves with 695 00:29:21,744 --> 00:29:24,744 Speaker 2: the majority, because now the White House has weighed in 696 00:29:24,744 --> 00:29:27,544 Speaker 2: this particular ad. So Donald Trump, who is the President 697 00:29:27,544 --> 00:29:30,864 Speaker 2: of the United States again, his official spokesperson has come 698 00:29:30,904 --> 00:29:33,624 Speaker 2: out and said, basically, the ad is great. This is like, 699 00:29:33,704 --> 00:29:36,704 Speaker 2: you know, woke culture people getting upset. It's ridiculous. So, 700 00:29:36,744 --> 00:29:39,584 Speaker 2: like you've got the White House, the most powerful force 701 00:29:39,624 --> 00:29:42,624 Speaker 2: in the country, endorsing the ad and then I don't 702 00:29:42,664 --> 00:29:43,504 Speaker 2: know if you mean this is. 703 00:29:43,504 --> 00:29:46,024 Speaker 3: That shows the move behind it though, because in what 704 00:29:46,184 --> 00:29:49,744 Speaker 3: world are politicians commenting on ad campaigns? 705 00:29:49,824 --> 00:29:50,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 706 00:29:50,584 --> 00:29:52,944 Speaker 1: That would just not usually happen exactly. 707 00:29:53,024 --> 00:29:54,264 Speaker 2: I think it was brought up when they were doing 708 00:29:54,424 --> 00:29:56,464 Speaker 2: an address to the press because so many people want 709 00:29:56,504 --> 00:29:59,104 Speaker 2: the ad taken down, which again fair enough, and who 710 00:29:59,104 --> 00:30:01,584 Speaker 2: are signing petitions and they're calling on like their leaders 711 00:30:01,624 --> 00:30:03,584 Speaker 2: to step in for an AD that a lot of 712 00:30:03,624 --> 00:30:06,744 Speaker 2: people see is very dangerous because I mean, I don't 713 00:30:06,784 --> 00:30:08,584 Speaker 2: want to speak for Sydney Sweeting. I know nothing about 714 00:30:08,624 --> 00:30:10,344 Speaker 2: that woman, but I'm going to go in a limit 715 00:30:10,464 --> 00:30:12,704 Speaker 2: say that she wasn't hoping to sort of be the 716 00:30:12,784 --> 00:30:15,864 Speaker 2: face of white namasy, but like she's playing in that water. 717 00:30:16,824 --> 00:30:19,864 Speaker 3: She has a publicist that has run her through the 718 00:30:19,944 --> 00:30:23,624 Speaker 3: pros and becomes for sure, and it's kind of disappointing 719 00:30:23,664 --> 00:30:27,064 Speaker 3: to say that despite knowing that she's willing to put 720 00:30:27,064 --> 00:30:30,344 Speaker 3: herself forward for the campaign. So yeah, I think it 721 00:30:30,424 --> 00:30:33,584 Speaker 3: is dangerous waters to be playing in the Sydney Sweeney. 722 00:30:33,464 --> 00:30:35,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like even if she's like didn't want to 723 00:30:35,344 --> 00:30:38,824 Speaker 2: completely align herself with that specific message, she's aligned herself 724 00:30:38,864 --> 00:30:41,384 Speaker 2: in that conversation and picked aside. But I want to 725 00:30:41,384 --> 00:30:42,904 Speaker 2: for her on her team. Again. They did a temperature 726 00:30:42,984 --> 00:30:44,864 Speaker 2: check of like, well, the White House is on our side, 727 00:30:45,024 --> 00:30:47,424 Speaker 2: the or politicians are on our side. It seems like 728 00:30:47,424 --> 00:30:50,224 Speaker 2: the voting American public is on our side. There's all 729 00:30:50,264 --> 00:30:51,344 Speaker 2: these She's just terrifying. 730 00:30:51,464 --> 00:30:56,304 Speaker 3: It is like, it's terrifying stay over there in America exactly. 731 00:30:56,344 --> 00:30:58,144 Speaker 2: That's all I think that everyone who's like, it's just 732 00:30:58,144 --> 00:31:00,024 Speaker 2: a jeans at it's a joke, I'm like, well, if 733 00:31:00,064 --> 00:31:02,744 Speaker 2: you're like scrolling through a news site, or even you're 734 00:31:02,784 --> 00:31:04,824 Speaker 2: scrolling through TikTok, which I know people use for news. 735 00:31:04,824 --> 00:31:07,184 Speaker 2: Now you see the Sydney Sweeney ad, the sexy ad 736 00:31:07,264 --> 00:31:09,784 Speaker 2: of like, you know, white jeans and my jeans and 737 00:31:09,784 --> 00:31:11,424 Speaker 2: all this sort of stuf. And then the next ad 738 00:31:11,544 --> 00:31:14,024 Speaker 2: is about all of those whites only communities, like that 739 00:31:14,104 --> 00:31:17,184 Speaker 2: big one in Arkansas where people are literally building a 740 00:31:17,224 --> 00:31:21,144 Speaker 2: private city that only white stay not on everything people 741 00:31:21,184 --> 00:31:23,664 Speaker 2: are allowed to be in. And you're like, it's kind 742 00:31:23,704 --> 00:31:25,704 Speaker 2: of not a joke when you look over to like 743 00:31:25,904 --> 00:31:27,424 Speaker 2: the repercussions of the real world. 744 00:31:27,584 --> 00:31:30,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just a reflection of what's happening 745 00:31:30,304 --> 00:31:34,664 Speaker 3: in wider society and knowing how tailored our algorithms are 746 00:31:35,304 --> 00:31:38,184 Speaker 3: that when that content hits the feed of the right person, 747 00:31:38,344 --> 00:31:42,304 Speaker 3: it's just building this it's building quite a strong stance, 748 00:31:42,664 --> 00:31:44,824 Speaker 3: and it's something that's been going on for a while. 749 00:31:44,984 --> 00:31:46,064 Speaker 1: So seeing it. 750 00:31:45,984 --> 00:31:49,824 Speaker 3: Through this ad, yeah, it's really scary. And American Eagle 751 00:31:49,944 --> 00:31:51,584 Speaker 3: stocks have jumped. 752 00:31:51,304 --> 00:31:52,864 Speaker 1: Off the back of this, I'm sure. 753 00:31:53,024 --> 00:31:54,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that at the end of the day, 754 00:31:54,584 --> 00:31:57,384 Speaker 2: it's all of a money decision. For one thing, a 755 00:31:57,424 --> 00:32:00,224 Speaker 2: lot of people want to dress like Sidney Sweeney. She's 756 00:32:00,264 --> 00:32:02,944 Speaker 2: an eat girl. She's got all these huge projects coming out, 757 00:32:02,984 --> 00:32:05,344 Speaker 2: she looks gorgeous, and a lot of people would just 758 00:32:05,384 --> 00:32:07,784 Speaker 2: be seeing the actual physical genes on her and being like, 759 00:32:07,824 --> 00:32:09,824 Speaker 2: I want to wear those, even though she's like they're 760 00:32:09,864 --> 00:32:11,424 Speaker 2: not comfortable, and I was like that should be a 761 00:32:11,424 --> 00:32:13,384 Speaker 2: deterren but like, you want to look like Sidney Sweeney, 762 00:32:13,824 --> 00:32:16,384 Speaker 2: or they're wanting to align themselves with this like edgy brand, 763 00:32:16,384 --> 00:32:19,344 Speaker 2: who they feel is like pushing aside woke culture. So 764 00:32:19,464 --> 00:32:21,544 Speaker 2: it's that's a scary thing, right, Like they're gonna make 765 00:32:21,584 --> 00:32:21,984 Speaker 2: money from this. 766 00:32:22,064 --> 00:32:25,384 Speaker 1: I always sort of like American Eagle is like quite naff. 767 00:32:26,464 --> 00:32:28,344 Speaker 3: I wonder if they come back, Yeah, I want to 768 00:32:28,344 --> 00:32:32,224 Speaker 3: come back, Yeah exactly, Yeah, what is whatever this is? Yeah? 769 00:32:32,304 --> 00:32:33,744 Speaker 2: I wonder if that is that idea that they know 770 00:32:33,784 --> 00:32:36,144 Speaker 2: that their regular customers will still buy from them, They 771 00:32:36,184 --> 00:32:38,504 Speaker 2: know that some people won't even be aware this conversation 772 00:32:38,784 --> 00:32:40,424 Speaker 2: is going on, and it'll be in the periphery and 773 00:32:40,424 --> 00:32:42,624 Speaker 2: they'll still shop from them, and then they'll also pull 774 00:32:42,664 --> 00:32:44,704 Speaker 2: in this extra group of people who want to align 775 00:32:44,744 --> 00:32:47,104 Speaker 2: themselves with their message. So there's a scary thing at 776 00:32:47,104 --> 00:32:48,264 Speaker 2: the end of the day, Like they're going to make 777 00:32:48,304 --> 00:32:49,264 Speaker 2: a lot of money. 778 00:32:49,024 --> 00:32:52,144 Speaker 3: And it'll be interesting to see what happens for Sydney next, 779 00:32:52,264 --> 00:32:54,184 Speaker 3: Like is she going to keep going down this path? 780 00:32:54,224 --> 00:32:57,064 Speaker 3: It just feels like, yes, every year there's a new 781 00:32:57,104 --> 00:32:59,664 Speaker 3: ad that's being semi canceled and then we all just 782 00:32:59,824 --> 00:33:01,024 Speaker 3: get over it and move on. 783 00:33:01,704 --> 00:33:03,264 Speaker 1: I wonder what that means for the. 784 00:33:03,224 --> 00:33:05,624 Speaker 3: Rest of the advertising industry, and like what we're going 785 00:33:05,704 --> 00:33:09,864 Speaker 3: to see marketed now that we're seeing brands tap into 786 00:33:10,504 --> 00:33:11,504 Speaker 3: political parties. 787 00:33:11,624 --> 00:33:14,384 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah, Look, it's a scary world don't want 788 00:33:14,384 --> 00:33:15,864 Speaker 2: to live in. I'm like, just go back to selling 789 00:33:15,944 --> 00:33:19,664 Speaker 2: your bath water like that. At least that's nice for 790 00:33:19,704 --> 00:33:22,544 Speaker 2: all of us. Well, thank you so much for listening 791 00:33:22,544 --> 00:33:24,704 Speaker 2: to the Spill today and make sure you are following 792 00:33:24,784 --> 00:33:27,784 Speaker 2: us on Instagram and TikTok with a Spill podcast because 793 00:33:27,784 --> 00:33:31,104 Speaker 2: we post clips behind the scenes things, we post red 794 00:33:31,104 --> 00:33:33,344 Speaker 2: carpet moments, so you don't want to miss that, and 795 00:33:33,464 --> 00:33:35,984 Speaker 2: will be back in your feed at six am tomorrow 796 00:33:36,064 --> 00:33:43,704 Speaker 2: for we can watch Bye Bye