WEBVTT - Veronica Milsom Staged An Experiment On Her Second Baby 0:00:10.869 --> 0:00:13.909 So you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:14.829 --> 0:00:17.909 Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and 0:00:17.949 --> 0:00:20.349 waters that this podcast is recorded. 0:00:19.949 --> 0:00:23.549 On the second day with tits A rock Hard is 0:00:23.869 --> 0:00:28.869 absolutely horrible having a midwife milking my nipples and doing 0:00:28.909 --> 0:00:29.589 all the stuff. 0:00:39.149 --> 0:00:42.909 The baby Bubble with Claar and Jesse Stevens. It's definitely 0:00:42.949 --> 0:00:47.549 not a parenting advice podcast. Claire, I've got an issue 0:00:47.549 --> 0:00:49.989 that I need to help you. Yeah. You know how 0:00:50.069 --> 0:00:52.509 Luna loves being mood. Yeah, it's like I think she's 0:00:52.589 --> 0:00:55.509 always naked and I love that for her. After her bath, 0:00:55.589 --> 0:00:58.429 she crawls around, she wiggles her little bottom, she climbs, 0:00:58.509 --> 0:01:00.829 she loves doing a downward dog with a I can't 0:01:00.829 --> 0:01:02.669 remember what it's called, but it's when you stick your 0:01:02.989 --> 0:01:06.789 leg up too. Ah. Yeah, no, I can see it. 0:01:06.869 --> 0:01:09.149 I also do not know the word. Yeah. So she's 0:01:09.429 --> 0:01:11.789 into her yoga poses when she is nude, and I 0:01:11.869 --> 0:01:14.229 just say to her, interesting choice. There's not an angle 0:01:14.269 --> 0:01:17.949 of you I haven't seen. No. No, look, that's not 0:01:17.989 --> 0:01:23.469 the issue. The issue is that her other obsession issues. Yeah, 0:01:23.509 --> 0:01:26.589 and who bought her two excellent pairs of shoes for 0:01:26.629 --> 0:01:30.949 her birthday? Three dollar kmart leopard print trainers. Yeah, who 0:01:30.949 --> 0:01:33.469 bought them? They would, that would be you. And my 0:01:33.549 --> 0:01:35.389 issue is that when she's nude and she's doing her 0:01:35.389 --> 0:01:37.949 down with dog and her happy baby, and it's like 0:01:38.749 --> 0:01:41.349 just all the bits, she walks over and she taps 0:01:41.349 --> 0:01:42.789 on her shoes and she taps on her foot. She goes, 0:01:42.829 --> 0:01:45.029 put my shoes on, and it's like, with all due respect, 0:01:45.189 --> 0:01:47.709 you're not going anywhere and you can't walk, and you 0:01:47.709 --> 0:01:51.069 can't walk. But I think the people look more naked 0:01:51.069 --> 0:01:53.629 when they're naked with the shoes on. It's really Yeah, 0:01:53.669 --> 0:01:58.269 it's like it makes the genitals more pronounced, and it 0:01:58.309 --> 0:02:01.389 looks quite predatory. Because I was even at the gym 0:02:01.429 --> 0:02:02.989 recently and there was a woman who walked out of 0:02:03.029 --> 0:02:06.029 the shower with full runners on but otherwise nude, and 0:02:06.069 --> 0:02:08.589 I went, it's one of the worst looks in my opinion. 0:02:08.869 --> 0:02:11.309 It's like a man with a top on and no 0:02:11.469 --> 0:02:13.589 pant he looks more naked than if he had. It's 0:02:13.589 --> 0:02:16.189 like a choice. Yeah, yes, you made the choice to 0:02:16.229 --> 0:02:18.629 have your bits out. Yeah. And I don't know how 0:02:18.629 --> 0:02:21.109 to tell her that no one looks good nude with 0:02:21.149 --> 0:02:25.349 shoes on. It's not flattering to the leg and she's 0:02:25.389 --> 0:02:28.989 stomping around like she has somewhere to be in these shoes. 0:02:29.029 --> 0:02:32.349 She's rolling around on the floor. It's absolutely not lady like. 0:02:33.029 --> 0:02:35.349 But I can't pribe them from her, I know. And 0:02:35.389 --> 0:02:37.109 you don't want to make her feel ashamed of her 0:02:37.149 --> 0:02:40.309 outfit choices. No, she is who she is. Yeah, And 0:02:40.429 --> 0:02:43.189 like sometimes I'm like, I don't know. Sexy movies, They're like, 0:02:43.269 --> 0:02:45.989 it'll be a woman in like a bikinian heels, yeah 0:02:46.069 --> 0:02:47.829 or something. Yeah, And I'm like, well, you just wouldn't 0:02:47.829 --> 0:02:51.629 wear shoes with that outfit. It's a barefoot outfit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:51.669 --> 0:02:54.549 And Luna, I just look. I do feel like she 0:02:54.589 --> 0:02:58.069 needs some feedback about that look. Yeah. I feel like 0:02:58.069 --> 0:03:00.269 I need to take a photo yeah and show her. 0:03:01.029 --> 0:03:03.309 Do you think it looks good? Do you look ridiculous? 0:03:03.389 --> 0:03:03.469 You? 0:03:03.549 --> 0:03:08.429 Do you look really silly? Our guest this week is 0:03:08.589 --> 0:03:13.349 Veronica Milsen, loved radio host, actor, comedian, writer, and mum 0:03:13.469 --> 0:03:16.709 of two. Veronica is the former co host of Triple 0:03:16.789 --> 0:03:19.629 j's Drive program. She's been a cast member of Sean 0:03:19.709 --> 0:03:23.189 Macrliff's Mad as Hell, and the creator and host of 0:03:23.549 --> 0:03:28.309 a brilliant podcast called Zero waste baby. After giving birth 0:03:28.349 --> 0:03:31.309 to her first baby, Veronica was on a mission to 0:03:31.389 --> 0:03:36.229 reduce the waste for her second, tiny newborn. We are 0:03:36.389 --> 0:03:40.669 simply obsessed with zero waste baby because it's something that 0:03:40.709 --> 0:03:43.389 both of us would have loved to do, but we 0:03:43.389 --> 0:03:47.749 were both and are both incredibly lazy and lack initiative. 0:03:48.349 --> 0:03:51.589 Before we start, how old are your two now? 0:03:51.869 --> 0:03:55.229 Yeah, so mine are four and six. And by the way, 0:03:55.269 --> 0:03:56.949 I never could have done it with my first. It 0:03:56.989 --> 0:03:58.389 was only possible with my second. 0:03:58.829 --> 0:03:59.829 And why is that? 0:04:00.349 --> 0:04:03.829 I think you need to go through just being terribly 0:04:03.909 --> 0:04:06.549 wasteful and feeling bad about it and come out the 0:04:06.629 --> 0:04:09.589 other side. Now. I think it was just about knowing, 0:04:09.869 --> 0:04:12.629 Like first time is just so scary in every single way. 0:04:12.709 --> 0:04:14.229 And so once I got the hang of it, I 0:04:14.309 --> 0:04:17.109 was like, ah, fine, your baby can put up with 0:04:17.229 --> 0:04:19.549 heaps of you know, it doesn't have to be wearing 0:04:19.589 --> 0:04:22.909 the best possible type of nappies or whatever, chucking in 0:04:22.949 --> 0:04:24.589 a cloth nappy. It'll be fine. 0:04:24.989 --> 0:04:27.909 So your first baby was what will refer to as 0:04:27.909 --> 0:04:30.989 a full waist baby. Your second one, you try to 0:04:31.029 --> 0:04:37.549 go full zero waste. My big question is around nappies, 0:04:37.589 --> 0:04:40.549 because nappies can be messy when you're using your disposable, 0:04:40.629 --> 0:04:44.229 your wipes, your everything. Just how does it, how does 0:04:44.269 --> 0:04:45.829 it even work when you're trying not to be wasteful? 0:04:45.869 --> 0:04:47.509 Please explain? Well. 0:04:47.629 --> 0:04:50.709 I ended up discovering and spoiler from a podcast that 0:04:50.789 --> 0:04:54.069 came out quite a while ago, that the first six 0:04:54.109 --> 0:04:57.589 weeks I reckon you just have to use disposable nappies 0:04:57.629 --> 0:05:01.349 because the tiny little baby like I found in my 0:05:01.429 --> 0:05:04.949 personal experience that a cloth nappy was just not going 0:05:04.989 --> 0:05:08.509 to cut it. It was leaky. So in the first 0:05:08.549 --> 0:05:10.589 six weeks I found that I've we should have just 0:05:10.709 --> 0:05:14.629 used disposables, and from that point on, that's when cloth 0:05:14.709 --> 0:05:17.469 can really take over and just going into like the 0:05:17.589 --> 0:05:21.669 nitty gritty of like I ended up renting cloth nappies 0:05:21.869 --> 0:05:24.669 so that then I could give them back. Yeah I know, 0:05:24.829 --> 0:05:28.269 it's like a very extreme and then would wash them 0:05:28.549 --> 0:05:33.709 not on a pot because that uses too much energy 0:05:33.709 --> 0:05:35.709 And it would have been fine if I had renewables, 0:05:35.709 --> 0:05:40.229 but I didn't renewable energy, so I had to dry 0:05:40.269 --> 0:05:42.989 them too outside because I couldn't use a dryer because 0:05:42.989 --> 0:05:46.309 that also used too much dirty energy, So that was 0:05:46.389 --> 0:05:50.269 quite tricky. But then I also experimented with completely getting 0:05:50.349 --> 0:05:55.229 rid of nappies altogether, which was a technique called elimination communication, 0:05:55.309 --> 0:05:58.829 which lots of people have great success with. I didn't necessarily. 0:05:59.269 --> 0:06:02.349 It's the idea that you can potty train a baby 0:06:02.509 --> 0:06:03.869 from like six weeks old. 0:06:04.149 --> 0:06:07.789 Talk me through elimination communication. I have an eight month 0:06:07.829 --> 0:06:11.749 old and I love her unconditionally, but she is hopeless, 0:06:12.229 --> 0:06:16.349 Like please, she didn't. Yeah, So talk me through this 0:06:16.509 --> 0:06:18.309 theory of elimination communication. 0:06:18.829 --> 0:06:23.029 So the idea is that you It happens in stages. 0:06:23.069 --> 0:06:25.269 The first stage is that you put your baby on 0:06:25.349 --> 0:06:28.669 like a mat, and you wait until they do a 0:06:28.709 --> 0:06:31.429 we or a poo, so they've got totally pantless. You 0:06:31.469 --> 0:06:33.829 sit there with them for like hours on end to 0:06:33.829 --> 0:06:35.109 see if they do a we l a poop. And 0:06:35.109 --> 0:06:38.029 when they start doing a wei, for example, you choose 0:06:38.069 --> 0:06:42.589 a noise in advance, like shh, that's a common noise 0:06:42.589 --> 0:06:46.869 that people use, or you could go or something. It's 0:06:46.869 --> 0:06:49.309 basically it's treating a baby a bit like a dog. Yeah, 0:06:49.309 --> 0:06:51.789 you make a noise and then they associate that action 0:06:52.309 --> 0:06:55.349 with the noise, And if you do that enough times, 0:06:56.029 --> 0:06:58.989 then you will soon be able to like hold them 0:06:59.149 --> 0:07:02.629 over a piece of tubwear or a sink or a 0:07:02.749 --> 0:07:05.989 toilet and make the noise and they automatically do it. 0:07:06.069 --> 0:07:09.709 Oh my god. Yeah, So what's the plan when you 0:07:09.749 --> 0:07:12.109 go up the road to the cafe for a coffee? 0:07:12.189 --> 0:07:14.229 Do we just take the baby to the toilet and 0:07:14.309 --> 0:07:18.509 say sh or does the baby maybe shit and it's pressed? 0:07:19.909 --> 0:07:23.389 Well, you kind of complain in advance and hold the 0:07:23.389 --> 0:07:26.229 baby over the toilet and hope that you can just 0:07:26.269 --> 0:07:29.429 get it to we in advance of going to the cafe. 0:07:29.629 --> 0:07:32.349 It's certainly not perfect. Even like the expert that I 0:07:32.389 --> 0:07:35.189 talked to about it was like, there will be accidents galore. 0:07:35.269 --> 0:07:37.989 You just have to be ready for that. The strangest 0:07:38.029 --> 0:07:40.989 thing for me, apart from anything else, was just such 0:07:41.029 --> 0:07:45.349 a little bottom without big patting on it. Yeah, just 0:07:45.389 --> 0:07:48.229 carrying around your baby without any you know. It was 0:07:48.229 --> 0:07:49.989 such a weird change. But I was like, oh, this 0:07:50.069 --> 0:07:53.229 is so odd. Lots of people that you wouldn't expect 0:07:53.269 --> 0:07:56.709 have tried it, like Alice Slavski, you know her, the chef, the. 0:07:56.669 --> 0:07:58.869 Cook Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:07:58.989 --> 0:08:00.549 She was one of the people that I talked to 0:08:00.589 --> 0:08:02.509 on the podcast about having done it. 0:08:02.789 --> 0:08:05.549 That's so interesting that people do this with their children. 0:08:05.869 --> 0:08:09.069 I'm very impressed. I'm very impressed as well. And I 0:08:09.109 --> 0:08:10.709 need to go back to the clock nappies for a 0:08:10.829 --> 0:08:12.829 sec because you just said you rented, which to me 0:08:13.189 --> 0:08:17.789 is so another baby has shotten that nappy, it's been washed, 0:08:18.189 --> 0:08:21.149 maybe imperfectly by the former parent, and now it's on 0:08:21.189 --> 0:08:23.989 your baby. Do these cloth nappies, I've always wondered this, 0:08:24.349 --> 0:08:26.029 Do they have stains on them? 0:08:26.229 --> 0:08:28.789 No, they sort of weirdly don't seem to. I think 0:08:28.789 --> 0:08:31.509 that the rental company must just do a really great 0:08:31.589 --> 0:08:34.029 job of cleaning them before they rent them out again. 0:08:34.509 --> 0:08:37.389 Plus I actually do wonder if they don't have that 0:08:37.509 --> 0:08:41.309 many rounds of being rented, which I guess is besides 0:08:41.389 --> 0:08:45.349 the point a bit. But yeah, it still seemed like 0:08:45.389 --> 0:08:47.909 a cool idea. Lots of other people do things like 0:08:48.509 --> 0:08:52.869 nappy washing service, which is good. Yeah, the whole cloth 0:08:52.989 --> 0:08:55.789 nappy thing is so good. One thing that's a bit 0:08:55.869 --> 0:08:58.589 stinky and weird about it is that you've got to 0:08:58.629 --> 0:09:00.949 put like the pooh nappy in a bucket in the 0:09:00.989 --> 0:09:04.389 bathroom and let it soak. And once you've scraped the 0:09:04.429 --> 0:09:06.029 pooh off and popped it in the bin, this is 0:09:06.029 --> 0:09:06.989 a very glamorous time. 0:09:07.069 --> 0:09:11.309 Oh, Wow, a glamorous podcast. In my head, I was 0:09:11.349 --> 0:09:16.149 picturing the poo in the washing machine, yeah, going round round, 0:09:16.429 --> 0:09:20.749 and I had questions about it, but I wasn't gonna ask, Okay, 0:09:20.909 --> 0:09:22.989 w what do you do about wipes? 0:09:23.229 --> 0:09:26.309 So I was the biggest offender with wipes with my 0:09:26.429 --> 0:09:28.949 first baby, Lilah, because I just became obsessed with them. 0:09:29.109 --> 0:09:30.709 I was like, why have wipes not been in my 0:09:30.789 --> 0:09:34.469 life before I started like mopping the stairs with whites. 0:09:35.109 --> 0:09:37.829 Like if anyone was like dirty in a cafe, I'd 0:09:37.829 --> 0:09:40.349 be like, I've got a wipe. I've got heaps of them, dozens. 0:09:41.189 --> 0:09:44.349 As long as you're just using like reusable flannel wipes, 0:09:44.389 --> 0:09:46.589 it's great. You just whack them in the washing machine 0:09:46.629 --> 0:09:50.309 as well as everything else. So I actually ripped up 0:09:50.469 --> 0:09:52.909 old flannel shirts of my husband's that I didn't like, 0:09:53.229 --> 0:09:57.309 but also bought some from the op shop and just 0:09:57.309 --> 0:09:58.989 as long as they don't have buttons or whatever. 0:09:59.509 --> 0:10:03.149 Yeah, Or you could if you had a flannel shirt 0:10:03.189 --> 0:10:04.949 of his that you didn't like, you could also just 0:10:05.349 --> 0:10:07.189 not rip it up and just use it as a 0:10:07.229 --> 0:10:09.429 wipe and then just put it back in his wardrobe. Yeah, 0:10:09.709 --> 0:10:12.429 to try that's true. 0:10:14.149 --> 0:10:16.909 Oh my gosh, I'll have to have another baby had 0:10:16.989 --> 0:10:20.429 such a cruel technique and my husband it's really crazy though, 0:10:20.469 --> 0:10:24.869 once we go to a baby store and realize how 0:10:24.909 --> 0:10:28.029 shamelessly wasteful it is and how much like no one 0:10:28.069 --> 0:10:30.829 really cares. Like in i'll say one of the big 0:10:30.869 --> 0:10:33.389 baby stores, because it's probably going to be the sponsor, 0:10:34.829 --> 0:10:38.829 a whole aisle is called disposables, and I was like, 0:10:38.869 --> 0:10:41.309 oh wow, we just don't care. No. 0:10:41.589 --> 0:10:44.069 And there's something about having a baby where you then 0:10:44.149 --> 0:10:47.309 become obsessed with the idea of disposables. When we were 0:10:47.349 --> 0:10:51.229 going traveling, I was like, I need disposable bottles, and 0:10:51.389 --> 0:10:55.709 then and then I was like I need collapsible disposable 0:10:55.829 --> 0:10:57.789 and I went down this whole rabbit hole that made 0:10:57.869 --> 0:11:00.669 no sense at all. But I'm like, I'm coming up 0:11:00.669 --> 0:11:02.749 with inventions for what I need is a mum. Maybe 0:11:02.749 --> 0:11:05.189 it's because we're just so ty, Yeah, we just want 0:11:05.229 --> 0:11:07.749 to throw everything out and not planeing on. 0:11:08.869 --> 0:11:12.789 That's definitely one of like the undoings for me was 0:11:13.069 --> 0:11:15.709 cloth nappies and not being able to use a dryer 0:11:16.189 --> 0:11:18.909 on a road trip that we went on because there 0:11:18.989 --> 0:11:22.469 was no time to dry the nappies, so you just 0:11:22.589 --> 0:11:24.349 like wash them or whatever and the sink of the 0:11:24.349 --> 0:11:27.469 motel that we were staying at, and then I would 0:11:27.549 --> 0:11:30.509 have to wind the window up while we were driving 0:11:30.509 --> 0:11:32.949 along and they would just be flapping along next to 0:11:32.989 --> 0:11:34.869 the car because I was like, there's no other way 0:11:34.869 --> 0:11:36.629 that these are going to get dry and tie for 0:11:36.669 --> 0:11:37.389 ound next stop. 0:11:37.469 --> 0:11:40.829 You're so resourceful, I'm so impressed. But nappy cream surely 0:11:40.869 --> 0:11:43.709 that trips you up. Okay, you need nappy cream, you 0:11:43.749 --> 0:11:46.749 go and you get your whatever from the chemist, Like, 0:11:46.909 --> 0:11:49.469 is that naughty because it's in a naughty container. 0:11:49.829 --> 0:11:52.789 Well, they do try very hard to do reusable nappy 0:11:52.789 --> 0:11:55.549 cream tubes and containers. A lot of them are just 0:11:55.629 --> 0:11:58.269 very disposable, and so I ended up making my own 0:11:58.349 --> 0:12:01.509 nappy cream, which was it did feel a little bit 0:12:01.589 --> 0:12:06.309 like dangerous in it, Like you wonder about putting something 0:12:06.309 --> 0:12:09.789 that you've made and concocted on your own baby's bottom 0:12:10.389 --> 0:12:11.149 sensitive area. 0:12:11.949 --> 0:12:15.509 That's how I feel about cooking for my baby. I don't. 0:12:16.909 --> 0:12:18.669 So there are lots of people who do it though. 0:12:18.749 --> 0:12:20.789 So there's lots of these recipes online and then you 0:12:20.789 --> 0:12:23.469 can go to like a bulk store and then they 0:12:23.589 --> 0:12:25.589 just sell a lot of the things that you need 0:12:25.629 --> 0:12:27.949 all the ingredients and you can cook up like you're 0:12:28.269 --> 0:12:31.549 a witch making a magical potion and then get it 0:12:31.589 --> 0:12:34.789 ready and pop it in your own little reusable containers. 0:12:35.029 --> 0:12:38.189 That's incredible. What else did most of us not even 0:12:38.389 --> 0:12:42.189 think of that? Are just ruining the environment? Yeah? Like, 0:12:42.269 --> 0:12:45.149 how else are we bad? People? Go on? 0:12:47.469 --> 0:12:50.269 Well, the biggest thing that I felt like I did 0:12:50.309 --> 0:12:53.389 with my first baby that I with my second. I 0:12:53.469 --> 0:12:56.029 was like, oh man, that was so silly? Was you 0:12:56.109 --> 0:12:57.749 just it's such a big deal to be pregnant for 0:12:57.789 --> 0:12:59.269 the first time. You kind of think, oh, I just 0:12:59.309 --> 0:13:01.589 need all the best things. I need a brand new cot, 0:13:01.629 --> 0:13:04.629 I need a brand new pram. And as much as 0:13:04.669 --> 0:13:06.709 you hear people say it a million times, you know, 0:13:06.749 --> 0:13:08.549 just buy stuff off gum Tree, You're kind of like, 0:13:08.589 --> 0:13:10.389 I'm not going to buy a pram off gum What 0:13:10.389 --> 0:13:13.309 if the break doesn't work? That's my little precious angel. 0:13:13.829 --> 0:13:18.149 But in reality, I just wish that I had done that, Like, 0:13:18.269 --> 0:13:22.869 nothing really needs to be new. Everything already exists, and 0:13:22.909 --> 0:13:25.709 then we should just be sharing them amongst it, you know, 0:13:25.789 --> 0:13:27.029 ourselves as a community. 0:13:27.469 --> 0:13:32.029 Okay, but don't you think that maybe like Elon Musk, 0:13:32.349 --> 0:13:36.389 Jeff Bezos, maybe they can save the planet, and maybe 0:13:36.429 --> 0:13:38.829 we can feed our baby with the packet food and 0:13:38.869 --> 0:13:41.349 buy the clothes from the cheapest place possible. Do you 0:13:41.429 --> 0:13:42.829 think that that's okay? 0:13:44.989 --> 0:13:48.669 Yes? Yes, I mean, can we guarantee that will happen? 0:13:49.669 --> 0:13:51.829 I would love for that to happen. I just feel 0:13:51.829 --> 0:13:56.749 like Bezos particularly is making the problem much worse. And 0:13:56.869 --> 0:13:59.149 at least Elon's trying to find a new place for 0:13:59.269 --> 0:14:03.149 us to live. I guess that's somewhat helpful. Do you 0:14:03.189 --> 0:14:05.869 guys feel like you're wasteful or is it not cross 0:14:05.949 --> 0:14:06.509 your radar? 0:14:06.669 --> 0:14:06.829 Oh? 0:14:06.869 --> 0:14:07.989 Yeah, what's your vibe on? 0:14:08.069 --> 0:14:10.789 No? No, no, totally, And even like the big things 0:14:10.949 --> 0:14:13.269 I feel are I think it actually makes you feel 0:14:13.309 --> 0:14:17.589 a bit physically sick. The toys, the clothes, even the food. 0:14:18.309 --> 0:14:20.629 I'm actually with you. I hate, hate, hate waste. I've 0:14:20.709 --> 0:14:23.269 joined toy library. I feel like that might make you 0:14:23.429 --> 0:14:25.629 like me. So I have joined a toilet. 0:14:26.109 --> 0:14:27.469 We've got a toy libraries. 0:14:27.509 --> 0:14:29.509 They're so good, they're so good, and it helps with 0:14:29.509 --> 0:14:33.349 the clutter. And the other thing is, oh, just all 0:14:33.349 --> 0:14:36.189 the hand me downs. And I've also accepted that our 0:14:36.229 --> 0:14:38.629 clothes have stains on them. Oh yeah, because I got 0:14:38.669 --> 0:14:40.749 to a point. I do all my spraying, which not 0:14:40.749 --> 0:14:44.029 good for the environment, but stain remover makes no difference, 0:14:44.149 --> 0:14:46.069 and so now we just get dark colors and we 0:14:46.189 --> 0:14:48.189 just live with stains and we embrace it. Have you 0:14:48.229 --> 0:14:50.829 had to do that because they get stains a lot. 0:14:50.869 --> 0:14:52.549 And then I think, oh, she looks like no one 0:14:52.629 --> 0:14:52.989 loves her. 0:14:53.509 --> 0:14:56.949 Yeah, you just end up feeling okay about having a 0:14:57.189 --> 0:15:00.829 kid that looks so gross. Yeah, all the time. I 0:15:00.829 --> 0:15:04.229 think I've made peace with that. Particularly, my kids make 0:15:04.309 --> 0:15:07.149 such a fuss about me brushing their hair, and so 0:15:07.189 --> 0:15:09.949 they just always look like these wild little children that 0:15:10.269 --> 0:15:11.229 no one takes care of. 0:15:11.509 --> 0:15:14.869 I love those kids, though, they've got character. See, I 0:15:14.909 --> 0:15:18.509 think I've done pretty well purely out of laziness. I've 0:15:18.509 --> 0:15:22.269 actually bought very little because I got everything from you. Yeah, 0:15:22.269 --> 0:15:24.989 because you had a baby that was six months ahead, 0:15:25.189 --> 0:15:28.789 so literally a pump. You had a pump, all the bottles, 0:15:28.789 --> 0:15:31.389 Like I just have a house full of your stuff, 0:15:31.629 --> 0:15:36.429 which was incredibly incredibly convenient. We deserve a gold star 0:15:36.509 --> 0:15:36.789 as well. 0:15:36.829 --> 0:15:39.349 I think, Yeah, you guys together are doing like half 0:15:39.389 --> 0:15:40.429 waste exactly. 0:15:40.749 --> 0:15:44.269 Honestly, were two babies for the price of wine after 0:15:44.429 --> 0:15:47.109 doing zero waste? Baby did you a little bit feel 0:15:47.149 --> 0:15:52.229 like your baby was the waste, not in that sounds rong, 0:15:52.749 --> 0:15:55.549 but the baby. Like I look at Matilda and I'm like, 0:15:55.749 --> 0:16:01.429 you are just like you create waste everywhere you go. Yeah, 0:16:01.429 --> 0:16:03.549 And does that feel like a little bit overwhelming and 0:16:03.589 --> 0:16:07.189 you think, actually, by just having a baby, I'm creating 0:16:07.549 --> 0:16:08.749 problems for the environment. 0:16:08.869 --> 0:16:11.469 Yeah, honestly I did. I mean that's how the whole 0:16:11.549 --> 0:16:14.949 thing started. I was like, my husband and I were 0:16:15.189 --> 0:16:17.589 sitting in bed and we were just both looking at 0:16:17.589 --> 0:16:20.709 the news and every story that came up was like, 0:16:20.749 --> 0:16:23.549 there's floods, there's bush fires, there's this, you know, the 0:16:23.589 --> 0:16:26.629 Amazon is burning. And I looked at him and I 0:16:26.669 --> 0:16:28.629 was like, oh my gosh, should we be even having 0:16:28.669 --> 0:16:31.349 a baby? And he was like maybe not. And I 0:16:31.389 --> 0:16:32.789 was like, Oh, I'm six months pregnant. 0:16:34.149 --> 0:16:36.709 It's like going yeah, And I like. 0:16:36.749 --> 0:16:40.909 The final episode is should we have babies at all? 0:16:41.309 --> 0:16:43.749 And I end up talking to this guy who oh 0:16:43.869 --> 0:16:45.509 the words just slipped out. 0:16:45.349 --> 0:16:50.429 Of my brain the name of seven something. 0:16:50.669 --> 0:16:58.549 Yeah, okay, how done? Yeah ball Snipper. So I ended 0:16:58.629 --> 0:17:01.989 up talking to like the world's most busiest sectimist who 0:17:02.029 --> 0:17:06.109 goes around to underprivileged countries like people in third world countries, 0:17:06.149 --> 0:17:07.989 and gives them the option to snip if they would 0:17:08.029 --> 0:17:11.149 like to snip, basically as a free as a gift 0:17:11.269 --> 0:17:14.429 to society anyway. And I was talking to him and 0:17:14.469 --> 0:17:17.189 he was like, we'll just hold your horses because you 0:17:17.269 --> 0:17:20.389 might be all excited about the environment now. You never 0:17:20.509 --> 0:17:24.029 know if you want another baby. And as it turns out, 0:17:24.109 --> 0:17:27.029 I see babies now and I want to weep with joy. 0:17:27.029 --> 0:17:29.669 And I think you're nearly forty. You can't have an 0:17:29.669 --> 0:17:32.829 other baby. I don't know. 0:17:34.029 --> 0:17:37.349 I need to ask, does your second born have a 0:17:37.389 --> 0:17:41.029 superiority complex because she was a zero waste baby? And 0:17:41.109 --> 0:17:45.229 does she walk around with her keep cup like metal 0:17:45.309 --> 0:17:48.789 straw And does she tease and perhaps belittle her older 0:17:48.829 --> 0:17:50.909 sister for being such a drain on the site? 0:17:51.269 --> 0:17:54.109 Yeah? She does, And that's part of the joy of 0:17:54.149 --> 0:17:57.029 seeing her grow up as a zero waste baby. Is 0:17:57.109 --> 0:18:00.069 that whole part of her personality. It's really shone through 0:18:00.149 --> 0:18:03.149 as being on her high horse at all times and 0:18:03.429 --> 0:18:07.229 very superior. Yeah. I do have a whole great hopes 0:18:07.349 --> 0:18:10.109 that she could eventually be someone who saves the word. 0:18:10.349 --> 0:18:12.989 Though I think that's like the one justification of having 0:18:13.149 --> 0:18:16.869 children when the world is going to shit, you're like, oh, well, 0:18:17.109 --> 0:18:20.989 at least maybe they're the one that's gonna maybe. I know. 0:18:21.589 --> 0:18:23.389 I looked at Matilda and I was like, you know, 0:18:23.629 --> 0:18:25.949 she could be the one who changed it all. And 0:18:25.989 --> 0:18:30.269 now she's eight months. She's not hitting her milestones with gusto, 0:18:30.589 --> 0:18:33.669 I will say, And I'm like, maybe not. Maybe she's 0:18:33.709 --> 0:18:35.429 just here for a good time. I think she's here 0:18:35.429 --> 0:18:35.949 for a good. 0:18:35.829 --> 0:18:39.109 Time, which I think is totally valid too. You know, 0:18:39.429 --> 0:18:40.709 good on it, I think. 0:18:40.829 --> 0:18:44.789 So. Can you give us a ten second play by 0:18:44.869 --> 0:18:49.909 play of the chaos of your morning before this chat? Like, 0:18:50.029 --> 0:18:52.629 what was your morning like with your daughters today? 0:18:53.109 --> 0:18:57.069 Well, every single morning, my daughter comes in at about 0:18:57.149 --> 0:19:00.189 five thirty, This is the zero waste one, and she 0:19:00.269 --> 0:19:02.629 just wants to like cuddle real close, like up to 0:19:02.709 --> 0:19:04.869 the face. You know, do you think that this is 0:19:04.949 --> 0:19:07.429 like an exciting thing when you first have a baby, 0:19:07.429 --> 0:19:09.629 but then you realize everybody's child does it. They're like 0:19:10.189 --> 0:19:14.029 face against face while you sleep, and then the other 0:19:14.069 --> 0:19:16.229 one comes in and whenever I'm having a coffee, she's 0:19:16.269 --> 0:19:19.549 like like jumps on top of me and my coffee spills, 0:19:19.549 --> 0:19:23.869 and I go every day, come on, and then we 0:19:23.949 --> 0:19:27.029 madly try to get them ready for school, up and 0:19:27.069 --> 0:19:30.429 about whilst also like multitasking, going so, how many people 0:19:30.429 --> 0:19:32.629 did you want for your birthday party? Right down the list? 0:19:32.629 --> 0:19:36.189 I'm booking it today and thinking about the like crazy day. 0:19:36.229 --> 0:19:39.949 You've got a head. It's an intense time. Yeah, of life, 0:19:39.989 --> 0:19:42.029 isn't it. I mean you guys haven't reached the school 0:19:42.069 --> 0:19:43.869 bit yet, but yeah. 0:19:43.629 --> 0:19:46.469 No, you live a whole life before you come into work. 0:19:46.509 --> 0:19:48.629 And I've just got My fourteen month old is just 0:19:49.109 --> 0:19:51.309 learning her words, which is exciting, and then you go, 0:19:51.709 --> 0:19:55.389 oh no, no, no, Now she can communicate and express 0:19:55.389 --> 0:19:59.749 her needs and she is very stubborn. Yeah, she's like, now, yeah, 0:19:59.749 --> 0:20:01.909 she well, she just her big thing now is that 0:20:01.989 --> 0:20:04.269 she wakes up. She's in bed and she says but, 0:20:04.629 --> 0:20:06.869 which means book, Like I want a book always, yeah, 0:20:06.869 --> 0:20:08.989 And I'm like, now I have to just ignore your wants. 0:20:09.269 --> 0:20:11.789 Is part of my job is your mother, which is 0:20:11.829 --> 0:20:14.749 a whole other phase that I'm ntoring. 0:20:15.789 --> 0:20:18.229 Yeah, as soon as they say will you play with me, 0:20:18.509 --> 0:20:21.829 You're like, oh, I can't say no to right, And they're like, 0:20:21.829 --> 0:20:23.989 I just have to put it put aside five minutes 0:20:24.029 --> 0:20:26.869 to run around behind you like I'm a wolf and 0:20:26.909 --> 0:20:28.949 you're a little rabbit that I want to eat with 0:20:29.029 --> 0:20:30.989 that for five minutes and then you've got a brush 0:20:31.029 --> 0:20:33.589 your teeth and go to school exactly. 0:20:34.269 --> 0:20:36.389 Well, thank you so much for talking to us today. 0:20:36.629 --> 0:20:37.709 Really appreciate it. 0:20:37.829 --> 0:20:45.709