1 00:00:10,869 --> 00:00:13,909 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,829 --> 00:00:17,909 Speaker 2: Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and 3 00:00:17,949 --> 00:00:20,349 Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:19,949 --> 00:00:23,549 Speaker 1: On the second day with tits A rock Hard is 5 00:00:23,869 --> 00:00:28,869 Speaker 1: absolutely horrible having a midwife milking my nipples and doing 6 00:00:28,909 --> 00:00:29,589 Speaker 1: all the stuff. 7 00:00:39,149 --> 00:00:42,909 Speaker 2: The baby Bubble with Claar and Jesse Stevens. It's definitely 8 00:00:42,949 --> 00:00:47,549 Speaker 2: not a parenting advice podcast. Claire, I've got an issue 9 00:00:47,549 --> 00:00:49,989 Speaker 2: that I need to help you. Yeah. You know how 10 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:52,509 Speaker 2: Luna loves being mood. Yeah, it's like I think she's 11 00:00:52,589 --> 00:00:55,509 Speaker 2: always naked and I love that for her. After her bath, 12 00:00:55,589 --> 00:00:58,429 Speaker 2: she crawls around, she wiggles her little bottom, she climbs, 13 00:00:58,509 --> 00:01:00,829 Speaker 2: she loves doing a downward dog with a I can't 14 00:01:00,829 --> 00:01:02,669 Speaker 2: remember what it's called, but it's when you stick your 15 00:01:02,989 --> 00:01:06,789 Speaker 2: leg up too. Ah. Yeah, no, I can see it. 16 00:01:06,869 --> 00:01:09,149 Speaker 2: I also do not know the word. Yeah. So she's 17 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:11,789 Speaker 2: into her yoga poses when she is nude, and I 18 00:01:11,869 --> 00:01:14,229 Speaker 2: just say to her, interesting choice. There's not an angle 19 00:01:14,269 --> 00:01:17,949 Speaker 2: of you I haven't seen. No. No, look, that's not 20 00:01:17,989 --> 00:01:23,469 Speaker 2: the issue. The issue is that her other obsession issues. Yeah, 21 00:01:23,509 --> 00:01:26,589 Speaker 2: and who bought her two excellent pairs of shoes for 22 00:01:26,629 --> 00:01:30,949 Speaker 2: her birthday? Three dollar kmart leopard print trainers. Yeah, who 23 00:01:30,949 --> 00:01:33,469 Speaker 2: bought them? They would, that would be you. And my 24 00:01:33,549 --> 00:01:35,389 Speaker 2: issue is that when she's nude and she's doing her 25 00:01:35,389 --> 00:01:37,949 Speaker 2: down with dog and her happy baby, and it's like 26 00:01:38,749 --> 00:01:41,349 Speaker 2: just all the bits, she walks over and she taps 27 00:01:41,349 --> 00:01:42,789 Speaker 2: on her shoes and she taps on her foot. She goes, 28 00:01:42,829 --> 00:01:45,029 Speaker 2: put my shoes on, and it's like, with all due respect, 29 00:01:45,189 --> 00:01:47,709 Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere and you can't walk, and you 30 00:01:47,709 --> 00:01:51,069 Speaker 2: can't walk. But I think the people look more naked 31 00:01:51,069 --> 00:01:53,629 Speaker 2: when they're naked with the shoes on. It's really Yeah, 32 00:01:53,669 --> 00:01:58,269 Speaker 2: it's like it makes the genitals more pronounced, and it 33 00:01:58,309 --> 00:02:01,389 Speaker 2: looks quite predatory. Because I was even at the gym 34 00:02:01,429 --> 00:02:02,989 Speaker 2: recently and there was a woman who walked out of 35 00:02:03,029 --> 00:02:06,029 Speaker 2: the shower with full runners on but otherwise nude, and 36 00:02:06,069 --> 00:02:08,589 Speaker 2: I went, it's one of the worst looks in my opinion. 37 00:02:08,869 --> 00:02:11,309 Speaker 2: It's like a man with a top on and no 38 00:02:11,469 --> 00:02:13,589 Speaker 2: pant he looks more naked than if he had. It's 39 00:02:13,589 --> 00:02:16,189 Speaker 2: like a choice. Yeah, yes, you made the choice to 40 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:18,629 Speaker 2: have your bits out. Yeah. And I don't know how 41 00:02:18,629 --> 00:02:21,109 Speaker 2: to tell her that no one looks good nude with 42 00:02:21,149 --> 00:02:25,349 Speaker 2: shoes on. It's not flattering to the leg and she's 43 00:02:25,389 --> 00:02:28,989 Speaker 2: stomping around like she has somewhere to be in these shoes. 44 00:02:29,029 --> 00:02:32,349 Speaker 2: She's rolling around on the floor. It's absolutely not lady like. 45 00:02:33,029 --> 00:02:35,349 Speaker 2: But I can't pribe them from her, I know. And 46 00:02:35,389 --> 00:02:37,109 Speaker 2: you don't want to make her feel ashamed of her 47 00:02:37,149 --> 00:02:40,309 Speaker 2: outfit choices. No, she is who she is. Yeah, And 48 00:02:40,429 --> 00:02:43,189 Speaker 2: like sometimes I'm like, I don't know. Sexy movies, They're like, 49 00:02:43,269 --> 00:02:45,989 Speaker 2: it'll be a woman in like a bikinian heels, yeah 50 00:02:46,069 --> 00:02:47,829 Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, And I'm like, well, you just wouldn't 51 00:02:47,829 --> 00:02:51,629 Speaker 2: wear shoes with that outfit. It's a barefoot outfit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 52 00:02:51,669 --> 00:02:54,549 Speaker 2: And Luna, I just look. I do feel like she 53 00:02:54,589 --> 00:02:58,069 Speaker 2: needs some feedback about that look. Yeah. I feel like 54 00:02:58,069 --> 00:03:00,269 Speaker 2: I need to take a photo yeah and show her. 55 00:03:01,029 --> 00:03:03,309 Speaker 2: Do you think it looks good? Do you look ridiculous? 56 00:03:03,389 --> 00:03:03,469 Speaker 1: You? 57 00:03:03,549 --> 00:03:08,429 Speaker 2: Do you look really silly? Our guest this week is 58 00:03:08,589 --> 00:03:13,349 Speaker 2: Veronica Milsen, loved radio host, actor, comedian, writer, and mum 59 00:03:13,469 --> 00:03:16,709 Speaker 2: of two. Veronica is the former co host of Triple 60 00:03:16,789 --> 00:03:19,629 Speaker 2: j's Drive program. She's been a cast member of Sean 61 00:03:19,709 --> 00:03:23,189 Speaker 2: Macrliff's Mad as Hell, and the creator and host of 62 00:03:23,549 --> 00:03:28,309 Speaker 2: a brilliant podcast called Zero waste baby. After giving birth 63 00:03:28,349 --> 00:03:31,309 Speaker 2: to her first baby, Veronica was on a mission to 64 00:03:31,389 --> 00:03:36,229 Speaker 2: reduce the waste for her second, tiny newborn. We are 65 00:03:36,389 --> 00:03:40,669 Speaker 2: simply obsessed with zero waste baby because it's something that 66 00:03:40,709 --> 00:03:43,389 Speaker 2: both of us would have loved to do, but we 67 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:47,749 Speaker 2: were both and are both incredibly lazy and lack initiative. 68 00:03:48,349 --> 00:03:51,589 Speaker 2: Before we start, how old are your two now? 69 00:03:51,869 --> 00:03:55,229 Speaker 1: Yeah, so mine are four and six. And by the way, 70 00:03:55,269 --> 00:03:56,949 Speaker 1: I never could have done it with my first. It 71 00:03:56,989 --> 00:03:58,389 Speaker 1: was only possible with my second. 72 00:03:58,829 --> 00:03:59,829 Speaker 2: And why is that? 73 00:04:00,349 --> 00:04:03,829 Speaker 1: I think you need to go through just being terribly 74 00:04:03,909 --> 00:04:06,549 Speaker 1: wasteful and feeling bad about it and come out the 75 00:04:06,629 --> 00:04:09,589 Speaker 1: other side. Now. I think it was just about knowing, 76 00:04:09,869 --> 00:04:12,629 Speaker 1: Like first time is just so scary in every single way. 77 00:04:12,709 --> 00:04:14,229 Speaker 1: And so once I got the hang of it, I 78 00:04:14,309 --> 00:04:17,109 Speaker 1: was like, ah, fine, your baby can put up with 79 00:04:17,229 --> 00:04:19,549 Speaker 1: heaps of you know, it doesn't have to be wearing 80 00:04:19,589 --> 00:04:22,909 Speaker 1: the best possible type of nappies or whatever, chucking in 81 00:04:22,949 --> 00:04:24,589 Speaker 1: a cloth nappy. It'll be fine. 82 00:04:24,989 --> 00:04:27,909 Speaker 2: So your first baby was what will refer to as 83 00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:30,989 Speaker 2: a full waist baby. Your second one, you try to 84 00:04:31,029 --> 00:04:37,549 Speaker 2: go full zero waste. My big question is around nappies, 85 00:04:37,589 --> 00:04:40,549 Speaker 2: because nappies can be messy when you're using your disposable, 86 00:04:40,629 --> 00:04:44,229 Speaker 2: your wipes, your everything. Just how does it, how does 87 00:04:44,269 --> 00:04:45,829 Speaker 2: it even work when you're trying not to be wasteful? 88 00:04:45,869 --> 00:04:47,509 Speaker 2: Please explain? Well. 89 00:04:47,629 --> 00:04:50,709 Speaker 1: I ended up discovering and spoiler from a podcast that 90 00:04:50,789 --> 00:04:54,069 Speaker 1: came out quite a while ago, that the first six 91 00:04:54,109 --> 00:04:57,589 Speaker 1: weeks I reckon you just have to use disposable nappies 92 00:04:57,629 --> 00:05:01,349 Speaker 1: because the tiny little baby like I found in my 93 00:05:01,429 --> 00:05:04,949 Speaker 1: personal experience that a cloth nappy was just not going 94 00:05:04,989 --> 00:05:08,509 Speaker 1: to cut it. It was leaky. So in the first 95 00:05:08,549 --> 00:05:10,589 Speaker 1: six weeks I found that I've we should have just 96 00:05:10,709 --> 00:05:14,629 Speaker 1: used disposables, and from that point on, that's when cloth 97 00:05:14,709 --> 00:05:17,469 Speaker 1: can really take over and just going into like the 98 00:05:17,589 --> 00:05:21,669 Speaker 1: nitty gritty of like I ended up renting cloth nappies 99 00:05:21,869 --> 00:05:24,669 Speaker 1: so that then I could give them back. Yeah I know, 100 00:05:24,829 --> 00:05:28,269 Speaker 1: it's like a very extreme and then would wash them 101 00:05:28,549 --> 00:05:33,709 Speaker 1: not on a pot because that uses too much energy 102 00:05:33,709 --> 00:05:35,709 Speaker 1: And it would have been fine if I had renewables, 103 00:05:35,709 --> 00:05:40,229 Speaker 1: but I didn't renewable energy, so I had to dry 104 00:05:40,269 --> 00:05:42,989 Speaker 1: them too outside because I couldn't use a dryer because 105 00:05:42,989 --> 00:05:46,309 Speaker 1: that also used too much dirty energy, So that was 106 00:05:46,389 --> 00:05:50,269 Speaker 1: quite tricky. But then I also experimented with completely getting 107 00:05:50,349 --> 00:05:55,229 Speaker 1: rid of nappies altogether, which was a technique called elimination communication, 108 00:05:55,309 --> 00:05:58,829 Speaker 1: which lots of people have great success with. I didn't necessarily. 109 00:05:59,269 --> 00:06:02,349 Speaker 1: It's the idea that you can potty train a baby 110 00:06:02,509 --> 00:06:03,869 Speaker 1: from like six weeks old. 111 00:06:04,149 --> 00:06:07,789 Speaker 2: Talk me through elimination communication. I have an eight month 112 00:06:07,829 --> 00:06:11,749 Speaker 2: old and I love her unconditionally, but she is hopeless, 113 00:06:12,229 --> 00:06:16,349 Speaker 2: Like please, she didn't. Yeah, So talk me through this 114 00:06:16,509 --> 00:06:18,309 Speaker 2: theory of elimination communication. 115 00:06:18,829 --> 00:06:23,029 Speaker 1: So the idea is that you It happens in stages. 116 00:06:23,069 --> 00:06:25,269 Speaker 1: The first stage is that you put your baby on 117 00:06:25,349 --> 00:06:28,669 Speaker 1: like a mat, and you wait until they do a 118 00:06:28,709 --> 00:06:31,429 Speaker 1: we or a poo, so they've got totally pantless. You 119 00:06:31,469 --> 00:06:33,829 Speaker 1: sit there with them for like hours on end to 120 00:06:33,829 --> 00:06:35,109 Speaker 1: see if they do a we l a poop. And 121 00:06:35,109 --> 00:06:38,029 Speaker 1: when they start doing a wei, for example, you choose 122 00:06:38,069 --> 00:06:42,589 Speaker 1: a noise in advance, like shh, that's a common noise 123 00:06:42,589 --> 00:06:46,869 Speaker 1: that people use, or you could go or something. It's 124 00:06:46,869 --> 00:06:49,309 Speaker 1: basically it's treating a baby a bit like a dog. Yeah, 125 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:51,789 Speaker 1: you make a noise and then they associate that action 126 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:55,349 Speaker 1: with the noise, And if you do that enough times, 127 00:06:56,029 --> 00:06:58,989 Speaker 1: then you will soon be able to like hold them 128 00:06:59,149 --> 00:07:02,629 Speaker 1: over a piece of tubwear or a sink or a 129 00:07:02,749 --> 00:07:05,989 Speaker 1: toilet and make the noise and they automatically do it. 130 00:07:06,069 --> 00:07:09,709 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, So what's the plan when you 131 00:07:09,749 --> 00:07:12,109 Speaker 2: go up the road to the cafe for a coffee? 132 00:07:12,189 --> 00:07:14,229 Speaker 2: Do we just take the baby to the toilet and 133 00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:18,509 Speaker 2: say sh or does the baby maybe shit and it's pressed? 134 00:07:19,909 --> 00:07:23,389 Speaker 1: Well, you kind of complain in advance and hold the 135 00:07:23,389 --> 00:07:26,229 Speaker 1: baby over the toilet and hope that you can just 136 00:07:26,269 --> 00:07:29,429 Speaker 1: get it to we in advance of going to the cafe. 137 00:07:29,629 --> 00:07:32,349 Speaker 1: It's certainly not perfect. Even like the expert that I 138 00:07:32,389 --> 00:07:35,189 Speaker 1: talked to about it was like, there will be accidents galore. 139 00:07:35,269 --> 00:07:37,989 Speaker 1: You just have to be ready for that. The strangest 140 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:40,989 Speaker 1: thing for me, apart from anything else, was just such 141 00:07:41,029 --> 00:07:45,349 Speaker 1: a little bottom without big patting on it. Yeah, just 142 00:07:45,389 --> 00:07:48,229 Speaker 1: carrying around your baby without any you know. It was 143 00:07:48,229 --> 00:07:49,989 Speaker 1: such a weird change. But I was like, oh, this 144 00:07:50,069 --> 00:07:53,229 Speaker 1: is so odd. Lots of people that you wouldn't expect 145 00:07:53,269 --> 00:07:56,709 Speaker 1: have tried it, like Alice Slavski, you know her, the chef, the. 146 00:07:56,669 --> 00:07:58,869 Speaker 2: Cook Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 147 00:07:58,989 --> 00:08:00,549 Speaker 1: She was one of the people that I talked to 148 00:08:00,589 --> 00:08:02,509 Speaker 1: on the podcast about having done it. 149 00:08:02,789 --> 00:08:05,549 Speaker 2: That's so interesting that people do this with their children. 150 00:08:05,869 --> 00:08:09,069 Speaker 2: I'm very impressed. I'm very impressed as well. And I 151 00:08:09,109 --> 00:08:10,709 Speaker 2: need to go back to the clock nappies for a 152 00:08:10,829 --> 00:08:12,829 Speaker 2: sec because you just said you rented, which to me 153 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:17,789 Speaker 2: is so another baby has shotten that nappy, it's been washed, 154 00:08:18,189 --> 00:08:21,149 Speaker 2: maybe imperfectly by the former parent, and now it's on 155 00:08:21,189 --> 00:08:23,989 Speaker 2: your baby. Do these cloth nappies, I've always wondered this, 156 00:08:24,349 --> 00:08:26,029 Speaker 2: Do they have stains on them? 157 00:08:26,229 --> 00:08:28,789 Speaker 1: No, they sort of weirdly don't seem to. I think 158 00:08:28,789 --> 00:08:31,509 Speaker 1: that the rental company must just do a really great 159 00:08:31,589 --> 00:08:34,029 Speaker 1: job of cleaning them before they rent them out again. 160 00:08:34,509 --> 00:08:37,389 Speaker 1: Plus I actually do wonder if they don't have that 161 00:08:37,509 --> 00:08:41,309 Speaker 1: many rounds of being rented, which I guess is besides 162 00:08:41,389 --> 00:08:45,349 Speaker 1: the point a bit. But yeah, it still seemed like 163 00:08:45,389 --> 00:08:47,909 Speaker 1: a cool idea. Lots of other people do things like 164 00:08:48,509 --> 00:08:52,869 Speaker 1: nappy washing service, which is good. Yeah, the whole cloth 165 00:08:52,989 --> 00:08:55,789 Speaker 1: nappy thing is so good. One thing that's a bit 166 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:58,589 Speaker 1: stinky and weird about it is that you've got to 167 00:08:58,629 --> 00:09:00,949 Speaker 1: put like the pooh nappy in a bucket in the 168 00:09:00,989 --> 00:09:04,389 Speaker 1: bathroom and let it soak. And once you've scraped the 169 00:09:04,429 --> 00:09:06,029 Speaker 1: pooh off and popped it in the bin, this is 170 00:09:06,029 --> 00:09:06,989 Speaker 1: a very glamorous time. 171 00:09:07,069 --> 00:09:11,309 Speaker 2: Oh, Wow, a glamorous podcast. In my head, I was 172 00:09:11,349 --> 00:09:16,149 Speaker 2: picturing the poo in the washing machine, yeah, going round round, 173 00:09:16,429 --> 00:09:20,749 Speaker 2: and I had questions about it, but I wasn't gonna ask, Okay, 174 00:09:20,909 --> 00:09:22,989 Speaker 2: w what do you do about wipes? 175 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:26,309 Speaker 1: So I was the biggest offender with wipes with my 176 00:09:26,429 --> 00:09:28,949 Speaker 1: first baby, Lilah, because I just became obsessed with them. 177 00:09:29,109 --> 00:09:30,709 Speaker 1: I was like, why have wipes not been in my 178 00:09:30,789 --> 00:09:34,469 Speaker 1: life before I started like mopping the stairs with whites. 179 00:09:35,109 --> 00:09:37,829 Speaker 1: Like if anyone was like dirty in a cafe, I'd 180 00:09:37,829 --> 00:09:40,349 Speaker 1: be like, I've got a wipe. I've got heaps of them, dozens. 181 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:44,349 Speaker 1: As long as you're just using like reusable flannel wipes, 182 00:09:44,389 --> 00:09:46,589 Speaker 1: it's great. You just whack them in the washing machine 183 00:09:46,629 --> 00:09:50,309 Speaker 1: as well as everything else. So I actually ripped up 184 00:09:50,469 --> 00:09:52,909 Speaker 1: old flannel shirts of my husband's that I didn't like, 185 00:09:53,229 --> 00:09:57,309 Speaker 1: but also bought some from the op shop and just 186 00:09:57,309 --> 00:09:58,989 Speaker 1: as long as they don't have buttons or whatever. 187 00:09:59,509 --> 00:10:03,149 Speaker 2: Yeah, Or you could if you had a flannel shirt 188 00:10:03,189 --> 00:10:04,949 Speaker 2: of his that you didn't like, you could also just 189 00:10:05,349 --> 00:10:07,189 Speaker 2: not rip it up and just use it as a 190 00:10:07,229 --> 00:10:09,429 Speaker 2: wipe and then just put it back in his wardrobe. Yeah, 191 00:10:09,709 --> 00:10:12,429 Speaker 2: to try that's true. 192 00:10:14,149 --> 00:10:16,909 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'll have to have another baby had 193 00:10:16,989 --> 00:10:20,429 Speaker 1: such a cruel technique and my husband it's really crazy though, 194 00:10:20,469 --> 00:10:24,869 Speaker 1: once we go to a baby store and realize how 195 00:10:24,909 --> 00:10:28,029 Speaker 1: shamelessly wasteful it is and how much like no one 196 00:10:28,069 --> 00:10:30,829 Speaker 1: really cares. Like in i'll say one of the big 197 00:10:30,869 --> 00:10:33,389 Speaker 1: baby stores, because it's probably going to be the sponsor, 198 00:10:34,829 --> 00:10:38,829 Speaker 1: a whole aisle is called disposables, and I was like, 199 00:10:38,869 --> 00:10:41,309 Speaker 1: oh wow, we just don't care. No. 200 00:10:41,589 --> 00:10:44,069 Speaker 2: And there's something about having a baby where you then 201 00:10:44,149 --> 00:10:47,309 Speaker 2: become obsessed with the idea of disposables. When we were 202 00:10:47,349 --> 00:10:51,229 Speaker 2: going traveling, I was like, I need disposable bottles, and 203 00:10:51,389 --> 00:10:55,709 Speaker 2: then and then I was like I need collapsible disposable 204 00:10:55,829 --> 00:10:57,789 Speaker 2: and I went down this whole rabbit hole that made 205 00:10:57,869 --> 00:11:00,669 Speaker 2: no sense at all. But I'm like, I'm coming up 206 00:11:00,669 --> 00:11:02,749 Speaker 2: with inventions for what I need is a mum. Maybe 207 00:11:02,749 --> 00:11:05,189 Speaker 2: it's because we're just so ty, Yeah, we just want 208 00:11:05,229 --> 00:11:07,749 Speaker 2: to throw everything out and not planeing on. 209 00:11:08,869 --> 00:11:12,789 Speaker 1: That's definitely one of like the undoings for me was 210 00:11:13,069 --> 00:11:15,709 Speaker 1: cloth nappies and not being able to use a dryer 211 00:11:16,189 --> 00:11:18,909 Speaker 1: on a road trip that we went on because there 212 00:11:18,989 --> 00:11:22,469 Speaker 1: was no time to dry the nappies, so you just 213 00:11:22,589 --> 00:11:24,349 Speaker 1: like wash them or whatever and the sink of the 214 00:11:24,349 --> 00:11:27,469 Speaker 1: motel that we were staying at, and then I would 215 00:11:27,549 --> 00:11:30,509 Speaker 1: have to wind the window up while we were driving 216 00:11:30,509 --> 00:11:32,949 Speaker 1: along and they would just be flapping along next to 217 00:11:32,989 --> 00:11:34,869 Speaker 1: the car because I was like, there's no other way 218 00:11:34,869 --> 00:11:36,629 Speaker 1: that these are going to get dry and tie for 219 00:11:36,669 --> 00:11:37,389 Speaker 1: ound next stop. 220 00:11:37,469 --> 00:11:40,829 Speaker 2: You're so resourceful, I'm so impressed. But nappy cream surely 221 00:11:40,869 --> 00:11:43,709 Speaker 2: that trips you up. Okay, you need nappy cream, you 222 00:11:43,749 --> 00:11:46,749 Speaker 2: go and you get your whatever from the chemist, Like, 223 00:11:46,909 --> 00:11:49,469 Speaker 2: is that naughty because it's in a naughty container. 224 00:11:49,829 --> 00:11:52,789 Speaker 1: Well, they do try very hard to do reusable nappy 225 00:11:52,789 --> 00:11:55,549 Speaker 1: cream tubes and containers. A lot of them are just 226 00:11:55,629 --> 00:11:58,269 Speaker 1: very disposable, and so I ended up making my own 227 00:11:58,349 --> 00:12:01,509 Speaker 1: nappy cream, which was it did feel a little bit 228 00:12:01,589 --> 00:12:06,309 Speaker 1: like dangerous in it, Like you wonder about putting something 229 00:12:06,309 --> 00:12:09,789 Speaker 1: that you've made and concocted on your own baby's bottom 230 00:12:10,389 --> 00:12:11,149 Speaker 1: sensitive area. 231 00:12:11,949 --> 00:12:15,509 Speaker 2: That's how I feel about cooking for my baby. I don't. 232 00:12:16,909 --> 00:12:18,669 Speaker 1: So there are lots of people who do it though. 233 00:12:18,749 --> 00:12:20,789 Speaker 1: So there's lots of these recipes online and then you 234 00:12:20,789 --> 00:12:23,469 Speaker 1: can go to like a bulk store and then they 235 00:12:23,589 --> 00:12:25,589 Speaker 1: just sell a lot of the things that you need 236 00:12:25,629 --> 00:12:27,949 Speaker 1: all the ingredients and you can cook up like you're 237 00:12:28,269 --> 00:12:31,549 Speaker 1: a witch making a magical potion and then get it 238 00:12:31,589 --> 00:12:34,789 Speaker 1: ready and pop it in your own little reusable containers. 239 00:12:35,029 --> 00:12:38,189 Speaker 2: That's incredible. What else did most of us not even 240 00:12:38,389 --> 00:12:42,189 Speaker 2: think of that? Are just ruining the environment? Yeah? Like, 241 00:12:42,269 --> 00:12:45,149 Speaker 2: how else are we bad? People? Go on? 242 00:12:47,469 --> 00:12:50,269 Speaker 1: Well, the biggest thing that I felt like I did 243 00:12:50,309 --> 00:12:53,389 Speaker 1: with my first baby that I with my second. I 244 00:12:53,469 --> 00:12:56,029 Speaker 1: was like, oh man, that was so silly? Was you 245 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:57,749 Speaker 1: just it's such a big deal to be pregnant for 246 00:12:57,789 --> 00:12:59,269 Speaker 1: the first time. You kind of think, oh, I just 247 00:12:59,309 --> 00:13:01,589 Speaker 1: need all the best things. I need a brand new cot, 248 00:13:01,629 --> 00:13:04,629 Speaker 1: I need a brand new pram. And as much as 249 00:13:04,669 --> 00:13:06,709 Speaker 1: you hear people say it a million times, you know, 250 00:13:06,749 --> 00:13:08,549 Speaker 1: just buy stuff off gum Tree, You're kind of like, 251 00:13:08,589 --> 00:13:10,389 Speaker 1: I'm not going to buy a pram off gum What 252 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:13,309 Speaker 1: if the break doesn't work? That's my little precious angel. 253 00:13:13,829 --> 00:13:18,149 Speaker 1: But in reality, I just wish that I had done that, Like, 254 00:13:18,269 --> 00:13:22,869 Speaker 1: nothing really needs to be new. Everything already exists, and 255 00:13:22,909 --> 00:13:25,709 Speaker 1: then we should just be sharing them amongst it, you know, 256 00:13:25,789 --> 00:13:27,029 Speaker 1: ourselves as a community. 257 00:13:27,469 --> 00:13:32,029 Speaker 2: Okay, but don't you think that maybe like Elon Musk, 258 00:13:32,349 --> 00:13:36,389 Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, maybe they can save the planet, and maybe 259 00:13:36,429 --> 00:13:38,829 Speaker 2: we can feed our baby with the packet food and 260 00:13:38,869 --> 00:13:41,349 Speaker 2: buy the clothes from the cheapest place possible. Do you 261 00:13:41,429 --> 00:13:42,829 Speaker 2: think that that's okay? 262 00:13:44,989 --> 00:13:48,669 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, I mean, can we guarantee that will happen? 263 00:13:49,669 --> 00:13:51,829 Speaker 1: I would love for that to happen. I just feel 264 00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:56,749 Speaker 1: like Bezos particularly is making the problem much worse. And 265 00:13:56,869 --> 00:13:59,149 Speaker 1: at least Elon's trying to find a new place for 266 00:13:59,269 --> 00:14:03,149 Speaker 1: us to live. I guess that's somewhat helpful. Do you 267 00:14:03,189 --> 00:14:05,869 Speaker 1: guys feel like you're wasteful or is it not cross 268 00:14:05,949 --> 00:14:06,509 Speaker 1: your radar? 269 00:14:06,669 --> 00:14:06,829 Speaker 2: Oh? 270 00:14:06,869 --> 00:14:07,989 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your vibe on? 271 00:14:08,069 --> 00:14:10,789 Speaker 2: No? No, no, totally, And even like the big things 272 00:14:10,949 --> 00:14:13,269 Speaker 2: I feel are I think it actually makes you feel 273 00:14:13,309 --> 00:14:17,589 Speaker 2: a bit physically sick. The toys, the clothes, even the food. 274 00:14:18,309 --> 00:14:20,629 Speaker 2: I'm actually with you. I hate, hate, hate waste. I've 275 00:14:20,709 --> 00:14:23,269 Speaker 2: joined toy library. I feel like that might make you 276 00:14:23,429 --> 00:14:25,629 Speaker 2: like me. So I have joined a toilet. 277 00:14:26,109 --> 00:14:27,469 Speaker 1: We've got a toy libraries. 278 00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:29,509 Speaker 2: They're so good, they're so good, and it helps with 279 00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:33,349 Speaker 2: the clutter. And the other thing is, oh, just all 280 00:14:33,349 --> 00:14:36,189 Speaker 2: the hand me downs. And I've also accepted that our 281 00:14:36,229 --> 00:14:38,629 Speaker 2: clothes have stains on them. Oh yeah, because I got 282 00:14:38,669 --> 00:14:40,749 Speaker 2: to a point. I do all my spraying, which not 283 00:14:40,749 --> 00:14:44,029 Speaker 2: good for the environment, but stain remover makes no difference, 284 00:14:44,149 --> 00:14:46,069 Speaker 2: and so now we just get dark colors and we 285 00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:48,189 Speaker 2: just live with stains and we embrace it. Have you 286 00:14:48,229 --> 00:14:50,829 Speaker 2: had to do that because they get stains a lot. 287 00:14:50,869 --> 00:14:52,549 Speaker 2: And then I think, oh, she looks like no one 288 00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:52,989 Speaker 2: loves her. 289 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:56,949 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just end up feeling okay about having a 290 00:14:57,189 --> 00:15:00,829 Speaker 1: kid that looks so gross. Yeah, all the time. I 291 00:15:00,829 --> 00:15:04,229 Speaker 1: think I've made peace with that. Particularly, my kids make 292 00:15:04,309 --> 00:15:07,149 Speaker 1: such a fuss about me brushing their hair, and so 293 00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:09,949 Speaker 1: they just always look like these wild little children that 294 00:15:10,269 --> 00:15:11,229 Speaker 1: no one takes care of. 295 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:14,869 Speaker 2: I love those kids, though, they've got character. See, I 296 00:15:14,909 --> 00:15:18,509 Speaker 2: think I've done pretty well purely out of laziness. I've 297 00:15:18,509 --> 00:15:22,269 Speaker 2: actually bought very little because I got everything from you. Yeah, 298 00:15:22,269 --> 00:15:24,989 Speaker 2: because you had a baby that was six months ahead, 299 00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:28,789 Speaker 2: so literally a pump. You had a pump, all the bottles, 300 00:15:28,789 --> 00:15:31,389 Speaker 2: Like I just have a house full of your stuff, 301 00:15:31,629 --> 00:15:36,429 Speaker 2: which was incredibly incredibly convenient. We deserve a gold star 302 00:15:36,509 --> 00:15:36,789 Speaker 2: as well. 303 00:15:36,829 --> 00:15:39,349 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, you guys together are doing like half 304 00:15:39,389 --> 00:15:40,429 Speaker 1: waste exactly. 305 00:15:40,749 --> 00:15:44,269 Speaker 2: Honestly, were two babies for the price of wine after 306 00:15:44,429 --> 00:15:47,109 Speaker 2: doing zero waste? Baby did you a little bit feel 307 00:15:47,149 --> 00:15:52,229 Speaker 2: like your baby was the waste, not in that sounds rong, 308 00:15:52,749 --> 00:15:55,549 Speaker 2: but the baby. Like I look at Matilda and I'm like, 309 00:15:55,749 --> 00:16:01,429 Speaker 2: you are just like you create waste everywhere you go. Yeah, 310 00:16:01,429 --> 00:16:03,549 Speaker 2: And does that feel like a little bit overwhelming and 311 00:16:03,589 --> 00:16:07,189 Speaker 2: you think, actually, by just having a baby, I'm creating 312 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:08,749 Speaker 2: problems for the environment. 313 00:16:08,869 --> 00:16:11,469 Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly I did. I mean that's how the whole 314 00:16:11,549 --> 00:16:14,949 Speaker 1: thing started. I was like, my husband and I were 315 00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:17,589 Speaker 1: sitting in bed and we were just both looking at 316 00:16:17,589 --> 00:16:20,709 Speaker 1: the news and every story that came up was like, 317 00:16:20,749 --> 00:16:23,549 Speaker 1: there's floods, there's bush fires, there's this, you know, the 318 00:16:23,589 --> 00:16:26,629 Speaker 1: Amazon is burning. And I looked at him and I 319 00:16:26,669 --> 00:16:28,629 Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, should we be even having 320 00:16:28,669 --> 00:16:31,349 Speaker 1: a baby? And he was like maybe not. And I 321 00:16:31,389 --> 00:16:32,789 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'm six months pregnant. 322 00:16:34,149 --> 00:16:36,709 Speaker 2: It's like going yeah, And I like. 323 00:16:36,749 --> 00:16:40,909 Speaker 1: The final episode is should we have babies at all? 324 00:16:41,309 --> 00:16:43,749 Speaker 1: And I end up talking to this guy who oh 325 00:16:43,869 --> 00:16:45,509 Speaker 1: the words just slipped out. 326 00:16:45,349 --> 00:16:50,429 Speaker 2: Of my brain the name of seven something. 327 00:16:50,669 --> 00:16:58,549 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, how done? Yeah ball Snipper. So I ended 328 00:16:58,629 --> 00:17:01,989 Speaker 1: up talking to like the world's most busiest sectimist who 329 00:17:02,029 --> 00:17:06,109 Speaker 1: goes around to underprivileged countries like people in third world countries, 330 00:17:06,149 --> 00:17:07,989 Speaker 1: and gives them the option to snip if they would 331 00:17:08,029 --> 00:17:11,149 Speaker 1: like to snip, basically as a free as a gift 332 00:17:11,269 --> 00:17:14,429 Speaker 1: to society anyway. And I was talking to him and 333 00:17:14,469 --> 00:17:17,189 Speaker 1: he was like, we'll just hold your horses because you 334 00:17:17,269 --> 00:17:20,389 Speaker 1: might be all excited about the environment now. You never 335 00:17:20,509 --> 00:17:24,029 Speaker 1: know if you want another baby. And as it turns out, 336 00:17:24,109 --> 00:17:27,029 Speaker 1: I see babies now and I want to weep with joy. 337 00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:29,669 Speaker 1: And I think you're nearly forty. You can't have an 338 00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:32,829 Speaker 1: other baby. I don't know. 339 00:17:34,029 --> 00:17:37,349 Speaker 2: I need to ask, does your second born have a 340 00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:41,029 Speaker 2: superiority complex because she was a zero waste baby? And 341 00:17:41,109 --> 00:17:45,229 Speaker 2: does she walk around with her keep cup like metal 342 00:17:45,309 --> 00:17:48,789 Speaker 2: straw And does she tease and perhaps belittle her older 343 00:17:48,829 --> 00:17:50,909 Speaker 2: sister for being such a drain on the site? 344 00:17:51,269 --> 00:17:54,109 Speaker 1: Yeah? She does, And that's part of the joy of 345 00:17:54,149 --> 00:17:57,029 Speaker 1: seeing her grow up as a zero waste baby. Is 346 00:17:57,109 --> 00:18:00,069 Speaker 1: that whole part of her personality. It's really shone through 347 00:18:00,149 --> 00:18:03,149 Speaker 1: as being on her high horse at all times and 348 00:18:03,429 --> 00:18:07,229 Speaker 1: very superior. Yeah. I do have a whole great hopes 349 00:18:07,349 --> 00:18:10,109 Speaker 1: that she could eventually be someone who saves the word. 350 00:18:10,349 --> 00:18:12,989 Speaker 1: Though I think that's like the one justification of having 351 00:18:13,149 --> 00:18:16,869 Speaker 1: children when the world is going to shit, you're like, oh, well, 352 00:18:17,109 --> 00:18:20,989 Speaker 1: at least maybe they're the one that's gonna maybe. I know. 353 00:18:21,589 --> 00:18:23,389 Speaker 2: I looked at Matilda and I was like, you know, 354 00:18:23,629 --> 00:18:25,949 Speaker 2: she could be the one who changed it all. And 355 00:18:25,989 --> 00:18:30,269 Speaker 2: now she's eight months. She's not hitting her milestones with gusto, 356 00:18:30,589 --> 00:18:33,669 Speaker 2: I will say, And I'm like, maybe not. Maybe she's 357 00:18:33,709 --> 00:18:35,429 Speaker 2: just here for a good time. I think she's here 358 00:18:35,429 --> 00:18:35,949 Speaker 2: for a good. 359 00:18:35,829 --> 00:18:39,109 Speaker 1: Time, which I think is totally valid too. You know, 360 00:18:39,429 --> 00:18:40,709 Speaker 1: good on it, I think. 361 00:18:40,829 --> 00:18:44,789 Speaker 2: So. Can you give us a ten second play by 362 00:18:44,869 --> 00:18:49,909 Speaker 2: play of the chaos of your morning before this chat? Like, 363 00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:52,629 Speaker 2: what was your morning like with your daughters today? 364 00:18:53,109 --> 00:18:57,069 Speaker 1: Well, every single morning, my daughter comes in at about 365 00:18:57,149 --> 00:19:00,189 Speaker 1: five thirty, This is the zero waste one, and she 366 00:19:00,269 --> 00:19:02,629 Speaker 1: just wants to like cuddle real close, like up to 367 00:19:02,709 --> 00:19:04,869 Speaker 1: the face. You know, do you think that this is 368 00:19:04,949 --> 00:19:07,429 Speaker 1: like an exciting thing when you first have a baby, 369 00:19:07,429 --> 00:19:09,629 Speaker 1: but then you realize everybody's child does it. They're like 370 00:19:10,189 --> 00:19:14,029 Speaker 1: face against face while you sleep, and then the other 371 00:19:14,069 --> 00:19:16,229 Speaker 1: one comes in and whenever I'm having a coffee, she's 372 00:19:16,269 --> 00:19:19,549 Speaker 1: like like jumps on top of me and my coffee spills, 373 00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:23,869 Speaker 1: and I go every day, come on, and then we 374 00:19:23,949 --> 00:19:27,029 Speaker 1: madly try to get them ready for school, up and 375 00:19:27,069 --> 00:19:30,429 Speaker 1: about whilst also like multitasking, going so, how many people 376 00:19:30,429 --> 00:19:32,629 Speaker 1: did you want for your birthday party? Right down the list? 377 00:19:32,629 --> 00:19:36,189 Speaker 1: I'm booking it today and thinking about the like crazy day. 378 00:19:36,229 --> 00:19:39,949 Speaker 1: You've got a head. It's an intense time. Yeah, of life, 379 00:19:39,989 --> 00:19:42,029 Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean you guys haven't reached the school 380 00:19:42,069 --> 00:19:43,869 Speaker 1: bit yet, but yeah. 381 00:19:43,629 --> 00:19:46,469 Speaker 2: No, you live a whole life before you come into work. 382 00:19:46,509 --> 00:19:48,629 Speaker 2: And I've just got My fourteen month old is just 383 00:19:49,109 --> 00:19:51,309 Speaker 2: learning her words, which is exciting, and then you go, 384 00:19:51,709 --> 00:19:55,389 Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, Now she can communicate and express 385 00:19:55,389 --> 00:19:59,749 Speaker 2: her needs and she is very stubborn. Yeah, she's like, now, yeah, 386 00:19:59,749 --> 00:20:01,909 Speaker 2: she well, she just her big thing now is that 387 00:20:01,989 --> 00:20:04,269 Speaker 2: she wakes up. She's in bed and she says but, 388 00:20:04,629 --> 00:20:06,869 Speaker 2: which means book, Like I want a book always, yeah, 389 00:20:06,869 --> 00:20:08,989 Speaker 2: And I'm like, now I have to just ignore your wants. 390 00:20:09,269 --> 00:20:11,789 Speaker 2: Is part of my job is your mother, which is 391 00:20:11,829 --> 00:20:14,749 Speaker 2: a whole other phase that I'm ntoring. 392 00:20:15,789 --> 00:20:18,229 Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as they say will you play with me, 393 00:20:18,509 --> 00:20:21,829 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I can't say no to right, And they're like, 394 00:20:21,829 --> 00:20:23,989 Speaker 1: I just have to put it put aside five minutes 395 00:20:24,029 --> 00:20:26,869 Speaker 1: to run around behind you like I'm a wolf and 396 00:20:26,909 --> 00:20:28,949 Speaker 1: you're a little rabbit that I want to eat with 397 00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:30,989 Speaker 1: that for five minutes and then you've got a brush 398 00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:33,589 Speaker 1: your teeth and go to school exactly. 399 00:20:34,269 --> 00:20:36,389 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for talking to us today. 400 00:20:36,629 --> 00:20:37,709 Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. 401 00:20:37,829 --> 00:20:45,709 Speaker 1: Oh that's a pleasure. Love you guys. Crab crab crap advice. 402 00:20:49,269 --> 00:20:52,229 Speaker 2: Okay, Jesse, it's time for our advice segment. People wait 403 00:20:52,269 --> 00:20:55,469 Speaker 2: for it. They count down. They got to understand how 404 00:20:55,509 --> 00:20:57,869 Speaker 2: to pair it. Yeah, and we read to that, read 405 00:20:57,949 --> 00:21:00,389 Speaker 2: some journals, spoke to some experts, came up with some 406 00:21:00,629 --> 00:21:05,109 Speaker 2: pretty good answers. Because this is a thorny one. Hello, 407 00:21:05,709 --> 00:21:08,349 Speaker 2: I have an eighteen month old girl, and whenever we're 408 00:21:08,389 --> 00:21:10,869 Speaker 2: out in public, people will comment on want a handsome 409 00:21:10,869 --> 00:21:13,509 Speaker 2: little man I have. I was in a shop the 410 00:21:13,509 --> 00:21:15,429 Speaker 2: other day and a woman came up and said, aren't 411 00:21:15,469 --> 00:21:19,589 Speaker 2: you cute, little sir and patted him on the head. 412 00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:23,309 Speaker 2: That's I think she means patted her on the head. 413 00:21:24,349 --> 00:21:26,829 Speaker 2: I never know whether to correct them, and when it's 414 00:21:26,869 --> 00:21:29,389 Speaker 2: been in the company of friends or even family, I 415 00:21:29,429 --> 00:21:32,429 Speaker 2: do have to say, oh, actually she is a girl. 416 00:21:33,149 --> 00:21:35,749 Speaker 2: I feel embarrassed for them and wish I didn't even 417 00:21:35,829 --> 00:21:38,909 Speaker 2: have to think about the correcting. My question is, is 418 00:21:38,909 --> 00:21:41,189 Speaker 2: there a way I can make it clearer that Sophie 419 00:21:41,229 --> 00:21:44,029 Speaker 2: is a girl so people stop greeting her as a 420 00:21:44,109 --> 00:21:51,109 Speaker 2: little dude? Jesse, any advice, Oh, how to relate for 421 00:21:51,189 --> 00:21:53,349 Speaker 2: both of us? I think I we're both in the 422 00:21:53,349 --> 00:21:57,829 Speaker 2: same boat. We have little girls with masculine energy. Yeah, 423 00:21:58,669 --> 00:22:01,749 Speaker 2: I say, quite androgynous energy. Yeah. I think both our 424 00:22:01,749 --> 00:22:04,709 Speaker 2: babies are genderleist. Matilda was about two days old and 425 00:22:04,749 --> 00:22:07,149 Speaker 2: her midwife came in and was helping me feed, and 426 00:22:07,229 --> 00:22:11,269 Speaker 2: she did keep saying, oh, he's not wanting to feed. Oh, 427 00:22:11,469 --> 00:22:15,749 Speaker 2: he's a spirited little guy. And I was in a daze, 428 00:22:15,829 --> 00:22:16,789 Speaker 2: so I didn't speak. 429 00:22:16,829 --> 00:22:16,949 Speaker 1: Well. 430 00:22:16,949 --> 00:22:18,789 Speaker 2: You were probably like, ah, I have a boy. Yeah. 431 00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:21,389 Speaker 2: I was interesting, and my partner had to say, I'm 432 00:22:21,389 --> 00:22:23,909 Speaker 2: so sorry, but it's a girl. It's the confidence for 433 00:22:23,989 --> 00:22:27,429 Speaker 2: me that I want to stop and go. I'm not upset. 434 00:22:27,869 --> 00:22:31,109 Speaker 2: I think a lot of gender is a construction. Yeah, 435 00:22:31,269 --> 00:22:33,949 Speaker 2: but what makes you But what makes you sure this 436 00:22:33,989 --> 00:22:36,469 Speaker 2: is a little dude. It's wet in Matilda's wearing pink 437 00:22:36,509 --> 00:22:39,749 Speaker 2: and purple and someone calls her little man. That you go. 438 00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:43,429 Speaker 2: The energy is so strong that it is undoing. It's 439 00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:46,949 Speaker 2: really clear social cues by sending out yeah exact, because 440 00:22:46,949 --> 00:22:50,069 Speaker 2: I'm betraying my sense of what a girl is by 441 00:22:50,109 --> 00:22:55,389 Speaker 2: just going full, just just to clarify, And still there's 442 00:22:55,429 --> 00:22:59,229 Speaker 2: confusion bubbling. Yeah, well Luna does get little Sarah lot 443 00:22:59,589 --> 00:23:01,989 Speaker 2: or men will exclaim in the lift, as often happens, 444 00:23:02,109 --> 00:23:05,909 Speaker 2: he's staring at me. Okay, and in such a case, 445 00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:07,469 Speaker 2: I don't know what they want me to do about that. 446 00:23:08,109 --> 00:23:11,829 Speaker 2: She's a stare. Yeah. The first issue is the hair. 447 00:23:12,229 --> 00:23:15,029 Speaker 2: It always is. It's a hair. It's that your baby 448 00:23:15,069 --> 00:23:18,269 Speaker 2: looks like a lad. We say, a bit of a mallet. Yeah, 449 00:23:18,349 --> 00:23:23,229 Speaker 2: she looks like she's a British football fan who's about 450 00:23:23,229 --> 00:23:25,749 Speaker 2: to start shit. There is someone who was apparently on 451 00:23:25,829 --> 00:23:28,989 Speaker 2: Love Island UK who bears a striking resemblance to Matilda, 452 00:23:29,069 --> 00:23:31,469 Speaker 2: and it is the fringe that goes halfway down the forehead, 453 00:23:31,509 --> 00:23:34,429 Speaker 2: and it's the blondness. She's so blonde, yes, and Luna 454 00:23:34,509 --> 00:23:36,949 Speaker 2: also has that. But again it looks like a choice. 455 00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:39,189 Speaker 2: It looks like she's made a choice to get sort 456 00:23:39,229 --> 00:23:44,029 Speaker 2: of a new town edgy short fringe and it's boyish. 457 00:23:44,109 --> 00:23:46,909 Speaker 2: There's a lot about Luna that's boyish. So we know 458 00:23:46,989 --> 00:23:49,749 Speaker 2: it's the hair. So the answer is really obvious, and 459 00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:53,349 Speaker 2: that is invest in a wig. Oh baby wigs that 460 00:23:53,509 --> 00:23:55,829 Speaker 2: needs to be in an industry, and I'm talking you 461 00:23:55,949 --> 00:23:58,069 Speaker 2: need to glow it because they pull it off. That's 462 00:23:58,109 --> 00:24:02,389 Speaker 2: a great point. I'm thinking of Victoria's secret style, big 463 00:24:02,469 --> 00:24:06,029 Speaker 2: wave like Toddler's and tiaras except for three months. And yeah, 464 00:24:06,109 --> 00:24:07,669 Speaker 2: you know what, maybe it doesn't even need to be 465 00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:10,029 Speaker 2: a baby wig. Maybe just get an adult wig. Maybe 466 00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:12,629 Speaker 2: get an adult wig and you just go, Yeah, the 467 00:24:12,669 --> 00:24:14,429 Speaker 2: fringe will kind of cover the face a bit, but 468 00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:17,189 Speaker 2: just clip it. Probably clip that out of the way 469 00:24:17,749 --> 00:24:22,389 Speaker 2: and have a few highlights. Might really emphasize that it's 470 00:24:22,389 --> 00:24:26,749 Speaker 2: a girl. Yeah. I also think that there are clear 471 00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:29,589 Speaker 2: signifiers that you're not going with, which is when Sophia 472 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:33,109 Speaker 2: leaves a house, Sophie wes an apron okay, yeah, really 473 00:24:33,229 --> 00:24:38,069 Speaker 2: just a wig, a wisk a whisk an apron, a heel. 474 00:24:39,509 --> 00:24:44,269 Speaker 2: I also think fake nails, fake like an acrylic right, like, 475 00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:48,989 Speaker 2: that's clearly signifying she's a girl. Jewelry, a chunky necklace, 476 00:24:49,349 --> 00:24:53,629 Speaker 2: a Tiffany bracelet, a spray tan, let's get the eyelashes done, 477 00:24:53,749 --> 00:24:57,069 Speaker 2: fake clashes, fake clashes. I was also thinking that because 478 00:24:57,069 --> 00:24:58,989 Speaker 2: this often happens when I'm out at the shopping center 479 00:24:59,029 --> 00:25:01,469 Speaker 2: with the lunars, that people say, oh, hey, little dude, 480 00:25:01,989 --> 00:25:05,669 Speaker 2: what's it staring at me? And I think if I 481 00:25:05,829 --> 00:25:07,709 Speaker 2: just went to Mecca and said, can we do a 482 00:25:07,749 --> 00:25:11,749 Speaker 2: quick full face, yeah, that would be clarifying. Yeah, yeah, 483 00:25:11,949 --> 00:25:14,949 Speaker 2: because then we'd go around. She'd have a cutcrease, she'd 484 00:25:14,989 --> 00:25:18,029 Speaker 2: have her bronza and contour, she'd have a fake eyelightd 485 00:25:18,069 --> 00:25:21,189 Speaker 2: Maybe would say weird, weird choice for a baby, but 486 00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:23,109 Speaker 2: it's a girl. But I'm gonna go it's a girl 487 00:25:23,109 --> 00:25:26,189 Speaker 2: because it's got all the fucked up socialization cues of 488 00:25:26,349 --> 00:25:30,269 Speaker 2: being a woman at just fourteen months. Mm hmm. Okay, 489 00:25:30,269 --> 00:25:35,189 Speaker 2: what's your advice? Okay, so obviously gender cues, Yeah, there's 490 00:25:35,189 --> 00:25:37,309 Speaker 2: something in that. I'll give that to you. Yeah, but 491 00:25:37,349 --> 00:25:43,629 Speaker 2: I'm going to take another approach, lean into confrontation. Okay, 492 00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:47,469 Speaker 2: So when somebody says, hi, little dude, you a pretend 493 00:25:47,749 --> 00:25:50,309 Speaker 2: you don't know who they're talking about, even if they're 494 00:25:50,309 --> 00:25:53,629 Speaker 2: staring at your baby. Correct, you are silent, and then 495 00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:56,629 Speaker 2: you say who and they say, little man, little man, 496 00:25:56,669 --> 00:25:58,269 Speaker 2: I'm pointing out, and you say why, are you pointing 497 00:25:58,269 --> 00:26:00,869 Speaker 2: at my daughter? Oh that's rude. Yeah, especially if you're 498 00:26:00,869 --> 00:26:04,909 Speaker 2: stuck in a lift. Yeah yeah, So I really want 499 00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:11,429 Speaker 2: this mum to lean into start and shit and unnecessarily 500 00:26:11,789 --> 00:26:15,869 Speaker 2: combative and defend it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think 501 00:26:16,389 --> 00:26:18,829 Speaker 2: maybe it's a combo of the two. It's going very 502 00:26:18,909 --> 00:26:23,589 Speaker 2: gendered and then when there is confusion, just absolutely losing 503 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:28,269 Speaker 2: one's shit. I reckon losing one shit, but also dressing 504 00:26:28,309 --> 00:26:30,589 Speaker 2: your child gender neutral is a bit of fun. So 505 00:26:30,669 --> 00:26:34,029 Speaker 2: I think that you dressed them in green, in mustard, 506 00:26:34,269 --> 00:26:36,389 Speaker 2: in black and white things that you can't really tell, 507 00:26:37,069 --> 00:26:39,829 Speaker 2: and then lose your shit when people get wrong, and 508 00:26:40,029 --> 00:26:44,109 Speaker 2: I reckon you demand to know what made them think? Yeah, 509 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:47,069 Speaker 2: that your daughter was a little sir, what made you 510 00:26:47,109 --> 00:26:51,149 Speaker 2: say that? Go on, why don't you describe her features 511 00:26:51,189 --> 00:26:54,109 Speaker 2: through your eyes? Because I'm going to be offended and 512 00:26:54,229 --> 00:27:00,829 Speaker 2: yell at you about it. Very true. 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