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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast from Mama Mia.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 1: Laura Bradneck and I'm Vernon, and we have to jump

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Speaker 1: straight into it to day, no preamble, no banter back

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Speaker 1: and forth. Oh my god, I did not even pick

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Speaker 1: that up. We're matching. Oh my god, go to our

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Speaker 1: socials or YouTube. We should just put a red lip

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Speaker 1: on you for our next record, and then who would

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Speaker 1: tell us apart? We would so similar time. Well, there

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Speaker 1: you go. We do have a bit of fun before

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Speaker 1: we get into the drama. We do have more. It's

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Speaker 1: a drama. Phil Day, I'm so glad you're here him

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Speaker 1: because all of these text messages between Blake Lively and

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Speaker 1: a number of very famous people, So we're talking Jenny Slate,

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Speaker 1: Matt Damon, ben Affleck have been released because of her

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Speaker 1: court case with Justin Maldoni, but of course everyone is

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Speaker 1: talking about the unsealed text messages between her and Taylor's Swift.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're going to get into that, but first,

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Speaker 1: you and I have not talked about this huge cultural

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Speaker 1: event now and you have not been on the Spill yet.

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Speaker 1: To discuss this.

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Speaker 2: So sad I had no one to talk to about this.

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to be on the spare for your parents.

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Speaker 1: They're like, who who Brooklyn Beckham? So obviously yes. If

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Speaker 1: you missed out nearly hour long recap of the whole

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Beckham drama where he put up about a five

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Speaker 1: slide statement on his Instagram five, well, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of text on each slide. He did not double

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Speaker 1: space calling out his parents for all of these alleged

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Speaker 1: terrible incidents with him and his wife, Nicola Peltz Beeckham.

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Speaker 1: So we'll link that in the show notes if you're

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Speaker 1: the only person in the world who's not a cross

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Speaker 1: and need that deep dive. So now we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: all the fallout. But first, m yeah, I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: any of your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: She just leant back in her chair and like kind

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Speaker 1: how serious this situation is.

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Speaker 2: Firstly, believe men, and.

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Speaker 1: Let's clip that for social I can't imagine been taken

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Speaker 1: out of context. My poor boy, Oh I know this

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Speaker 1: is okay. I did say this to a few people

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Speaker 1: who asked me about it is like, you know how

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Speaker 1: sometimes like when you're like a proper journalist, if you

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Speaker 1: have a personal interest in the case, like if it's

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Speaker 1: a family or friend, you can't report on the story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's almost us here because I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think we can report on personal friends.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just awrap the spill there for today. I

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Speaker 1: know we're a bit biased, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm also like, I'm a sucker for these things. Like

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Speaker 2: when David and Victoria came out and like the children

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Speaker 2: was complaining about Brooklyn. I think it was Cruise who

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Speaker 2: did the story. I was like, Oh, that's selfish child.

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Speaker 2: And now this has happened. I'm like, oh, that poor child.

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Speaker 2: And then they'll say something and I'm like that selfish child.

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Speaker 2: Like I just I'm just like a follower.

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Speaker 1: You're a follower of the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just believe whichever camp spoke last.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna get into all the different fall out

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Speaker 1: and everything. But like what I thought was interesting from

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Speaker 2: It's like and everything was true.

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Speaker 1: Every rumor that has ever bubbled to the surface about

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Speaker 1: that wedding and this family and this couple is all

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Speaker 1: what he is saying is true. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: to believe that their camp, then Nicola and Brooklyn Camp,

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Speaker 1: either leaked all of these stories because they all come

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Speaker 1: out with the exact wording that he has used, or

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Speaker 1: he's like very aware of the news cycle. I think

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Speaker 1: it's probably both. He's very aware of all the stories

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the most interesting thing for me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, I mean, it's so hard to know because

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Speaker 1: Yes, a few people have a few people have come

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Speaker 1: Peltz was kind of knowing before she married Brooklyn, but

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Speaker 1: was because she'd been in like Avatar the Last Airbender,

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Speaker 1: she was in the big screen adaptation of a very

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Speaker 2: Wait was this the first Avatar movie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Avatar the Last Airbender, not the Avatar Stories. No, no, no, y. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she played Gaitara and she was not good.

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Speaker 2: That was her. That was her.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Every kid was so excited for the live adaptation of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Netflix series is good. Not to defend that

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Speaker 2: For I knew the movie was so so bad regardless

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Speaker 1: You didn't even know it was her.

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Speaker 1: Well, she did that your case.

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Speaker 2: And then Brooklyn wanted to be in it and she

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he couldn't deliver a line to camera. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she directed a movie. This is the thing. She kept

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Speaker 1: she was in one of those later Transformer movies. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it transforms five, six seven. It's all a

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Speaker 2: I can't even tell you. When you go to a

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Speaker 2: But she's the kind of person I'm like, just be

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, oh my god. Same. I would not be

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. She was really good in Beats Hotel.

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Speaker 1: She should have really rode that train. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Why don't I know anything about her? We've been talking

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Speaker 1: No, I know. Well, I guess once she married Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: Can't be connected to that abada if we just can't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they watched her. They were like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I think that that just gave her way more cachet

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Speaker 1: But yeah, she's in these movies. As you were saying,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she has to break through. So she's in all

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Speaker 1: everything that she made from then on. So I guess

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Speaker 1: they were just like protecting their brand from at extension,

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Speaker 2: Interesting And I wonder if that happened during the series

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Speaker 2: when people of this status get married, I'm like, fifty

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Speaker 2: percent of this would have been a business decision. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you're not falling in love love at first sight.

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Speaker 2: I think he's just kind of like a background actor. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And then David and Victoria was like, look at this

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Speaker 2: then she's like, hey, I'm Nikola and he's like Hi,

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Speaker 2: she starts doing all these projects and they're like whoa, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if there was a conversation of like,

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Speaker 1: Beckham checklist if you're going to be Nicholas Elim and

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Speaker 1: she was like, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: She was like taking the name, taking her own first dance,

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Speaker 2: how dare she? And Victoria was like, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: end it right there on this dance floor with my son. Okay,

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Speaker 2: before we get into the dams, I want a sixty

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Speaker 2: minute interview tell all deep dive with Mark Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely who has become the center of the biggest pop

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Speaker 1: and Megan has the story of a family fewed a

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Speaker 1: real life game of Thrones taken over the world in

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Speaker 1: this way? And where is Mark?

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Speaker 2: Having videos of her dancing with Nikola.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, heaps the videos of her dancing like in a

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Speaker 1: right built thank you. Oh that's what you're upset about.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what rich people do with that. I've

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Speaker 1: Could you believe the person didn't get into details about

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Speaker 2: Yes, Like it was time for the dance, even though

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Speaker 2: But it's been said that everyone was dancing and then

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Speaker 1: Then Victoria got up on stage after Mark Antony allegedly

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Speaker 2: And then Nicola and Victoria started walking up, and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not you girl, I'm talking about posh spice.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly, but it didn't happen. That was just me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love your use of the words spice them.

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Speaker 1: They then said Victoria got up on stage and wrapped

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Speaker 2: Yea, where were you five years ago? This is what

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Speaker 1: No, he's not a tall man, is he not? No,

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Speaker 1: he's an average so much. I'm just saying she is

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, no, okay, he's five to ten, which

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is if, this is how we're

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Speaker 1: doing it, okay, exactly, the police doing nothing. She's five

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm five four okay, And if she's no,

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Speaker 2: you're right. If she was wearing heels, she might have

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that's worse. Sorry, judge, we were sinned out evidence.

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Speaker 1: Get us from this case.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're getting somewhere here. It doesn't mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: It was premeditated nuzzle, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So okay, so she's hunched down, Okay

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Speaker 2: to get into this nuzzle, he's probably like kind of

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't have looked good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we was crass.

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Speaker 1: Why are you talking about this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why is not talking about this? I feel like if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll have to reenact it after this. Hey,

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Speaker 1: are we only the same height as them?

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Speaker 2: I think you're much taller than him.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm five eleven if he's five ten.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I'll put on your see all right? Oh

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Speaker 1: I stand by for physical evidence. Okay, we're getting kicked

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Speaker 1: out of the court.

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00:18:39,354 --> 00:18:39,474
Speaker 3: Room.

438
00:18:39,514 --> 00:18:43,434
Speaker 1: If that's our only evidence, I'm still I'm not even

439
00:18:43,474 --> 00:18:47,434
Speaker 1: through this quote yet. Sorry, said Victoria was dancing with

440
00:18:47,514 --> 00:18:51,553
Speaker 1: him very inappropriately. She took that moment from Nicola. That

441
00:18:51,714 --> 00:18:56,154
Speaker 1: is the God's truth. Then they said Nicola ran out crying.

442
00:18:56,634 --> 00:18:59,674
Speaker 1: The Beckham side of the room was cheering, and the

443
00:18:59,714 --> 00:19:01,354
Speaker 1: Pelts side was quiet.

444
00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:03,394
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I think then happened? Yeah, okay,

445
00:19:03,474 --> 00:19:07,034
Speaker 2: so nuzzled the neck, right, I think a dip wasn't clear?

446
00:19:07,834 --> 00:19:12,594
Speaker 2: Oh no, surely not because about it inappropriately? That is

447
00:19:12,634 --> 00:19:16,874
Speaker 2: kind of inappropriate. And took that moment from Nikola because.

448
00:19:16,674 --> 00:19:18,834
Speaker 1: The moment you take from a brother because they always

449
00:19:18,874 --> 00:19:21,553
Speaker 1: practiced that dim and they hold it for the photo. Yes,

450
00:19:21,954 --> 00:19:25,234
Speaker 1: I think he dipped her against his will, so you

451
00:19:25,234 --> 00:19:27,394
Speaker 1: think posh by She just kind of threw herself back

452
00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:29,793
Speaker 1: and Brooklyn had to catch her, and then that's the photo.

453
00:19:30,154 --> 00:19:32,714
Speaker 1: And then Nichola can't come up and do the second dip, no,

454
00:19:32,874 --> 00:19:34,154
Speaker 1: because that looks weird.

455
00:19:33,874 --> 00:19:36,114
Speaker 2: You have to be if you're the wife, you have

456
00:19:36,154 --> 00:19:37,073
Speaker 2: to be the first dipper.

457
00:19:37,434 --> 00:19:38,593
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

458
00:19:38,634 --> 00:19:40,034
Speaker 2: And then she saw that and then ran away. I

459
00:19:40,074 --> 00:19:40,794
Speaker 2: would have run away.

460
00:19:41,034 --> 00:19:43,194
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean before that with all the stuff

461
00:19:43,234 --> 00:19:45,194
Speaker 1: the nuzzling would have sent me over actually been called

462
00:19:45,194 --> 00:19:47,074
Speaker 1: not the most beautiful woman at my wedding would have

463
00:19:47,074 --> 00:19:50,114
Speaker 1: sent me over. This guest is not finished and this

464
00:19:50,194 --> 00:19:52,634
Speaker 1: is only just one person who's come forward. So then

465
00:19:52,674 --> 00:19:55,354
Speaker 1: the guest said, Nicholas's friends were saying, you have to

466
00:19:55,394 --> 00:19:57,154
Speaker 1: go back down because apparently she ran out of the

467
00:19:57,194 --> 00:19:59,874
Speaker 1: room for ages, which was a story that came out

468
00:19:59,914 --> 00:20:04,514
Speaker 1: directly after the wedding. Yeah, remember yeah, and a few

469
00:20:04,554 --> 00:20:06,434
Speaker 1: like it was like a lot of sources are saying that,

470
00:20:06,434 --> 00:20:07,954
Speaker 1: but no one could get at fact checks, so it

471
00:20:07,994 --> 00:20:10,313
Speaker 1: kind of disappeared. But this is the exact story I

472
00:20:10,354 --> 00:20:13,274
Speaker 1: heard from so many people online after the wedding finish.

473
00:20:13,394 --> 00:20:15,434
Speaker 1: And then she came back down after a while to

474
00:20:15,514 --> 00:20:17,834
Speaker 1: the reception, and this source is saying her face was

475
00:20:17,874 --> 00:20:20,793
Speaker 1: swollen and she was sad the entire evening. It was

476
00:20:20,834 --> 00:20:24,394
Speaker 1: so heartbreaking. But then I feel like.

477
00:20:24,394 --> 00:20:26,674
Speaker 2: All brides cry at their wedding again something oh not.

478
00:20:27,634 --> 00:20:30,154
Speaker 1: Like this, not sobbing upstairs being like my mother in

479
00:20:30,234 --> 00:20:33,434
Speaker 1: law's sabotage me. Yeah, and she got dipped, and she

480
00:20:33,474 --> 00:20:36,033
Speaker 1: got dipped ahead of me. Again, that's just your story.

481
00:20:36,314 --> 00:20:38,914
Speaker 1: But then other sources that have come out to say

482
00:20:38,954 --> 00:20:41,234
Speaker 1: that they didn't see this, and that Nicola and Brooklyn

483
00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:43,914
Speaker 1: had already had their big first dance and this was

484
00:20:43,954 --> 00:20:45,874
Speaker 1: just them coming back onto the dance laugh to kind

485
00:20:45,874 --> 00:20:49,194
Speaker 1: of kick it off together. And Mark Anthony called Victoria

486
00:20:49,234 --> 00:20:51,754
Speaker 1: out and that Nikola had also just danced with her father.

487
00:20:52,354 --> 00:20:55,513
Speaker 1: So that is the Beckham story that's coming out. So

488
00:20:56,194 --> 00:20:57,674
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that we're getting too. So

489
00:20:57,794 --> 00:20:59,994
Speaker 1: no one's saying that a dance hadn't happened, But we've

490
00:21:00,034 --> 00:21:02,314
Speaker 1: got two very different sides of the story coming.

491
00:21:02,194 --> 00:21:05,274
Speaker 2: In, right. I don't know who, like I really want

492
00:21:05,274 --> 00:21:08,754
Speaker 2: to believe the inappropriate dancing from my own entertainment.

493
00:21:08,914 --> 00:21:10,434
Speaker 1: I know that's what everyone wants to see because it's

494
00:21:10,434 --> 00:21:12,914
Speaker 1: the video, But I don't think that that's the crux

495
00:21:12,954 --> 00:21:16,434
Speaker 1: of why this parent child relationship fractured, do you know

496
00:21:16,434 --> 00:21:19,354
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because we saw them so many times

497
00:21:19,394 --> 00:21:22,994
Speaker 1: together after the wedding looking very happy. Journalists have come

498
00:21:23,034 --> 00:21:25,554
Speaker 1: out today and so they've interviewed him and the family afterwards,

499
00:21:25,594 --> 00:21:27,034
Speaker 1: and they seem to be a lot of love there

500
00:21:27,394 --> 00:21:29,314
Speaker 1: that they could really see coming through.

501
00:21:29,434 --> 00:21:31,714
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is also confusing on why he mentioned it

502
00:21:31,794 --> 00:21:33,513
Speaker 2: in the statement in the first place.

503
00:21:33,674 --> 00:21:35,234
Speaker 1: It is very damning if he was like, oh I

504
00:21:35,274 --> 00:21:35,513
Speaker 1: talked to you.

505
00:21:35,634 --> 00:21:37,794
Speaker 2: It's embarrassed, Like he's fully embarrassed her.

506
00:21:38,114 --> 00:21:41,314
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like also this will stick with her forever, Yeah,

507
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:44,074
Speaker 1: lover a hater like Victoria Beckham is one of the

508
00:21:44,114 --> 00:21:47,914
Speaker 1: biggest people in like music and pop culture from being

509
00:21:47,914 --> 00:21:49,714
Speaker 1: in the Spice Girls and then from the brand she's

510
00:21:49,754 --> 00:21:51,274
Speaker 1: built and who she is, Like she's one of those

511
00:21:51,274 --> 00:21:54,274
Speaker 1: people where her name is like just stands alone. Yeah,

512
00:21:54,274 --> 00:21:57,154
Speaker 1: and this is like completely attached to her. Do you

513
00:21:57,194 --> 00:21:58,794
Speaker 1: think he even thought about that though, because you would

514
00:21:58,794 --> 00:22:00,794
Speaker 1: think he lives in a very different world to us.

515
00:22:01,154 --> 00:22:02,513
Speaker 1: Do you think he was kind of aware of what

516
00:22:02,554 --> 00:22:04,634
Speaker 1: he was doing or is he more aware because he's

517
00:22:04,674 --> 00:22:05,634
Speaker 1: been raised in that world.

518
00:22:05,914 --> 00:22:09,114
Speaker 2: I think he's more aware because I think using the

519
00:22:09,154 --> 00:22:14,914
Speaker 2: word inappropriately is diabolical, Like that is like career ending,

520
00:22:15,354 --> 00:22:17,114
Speaker 2: like she won't be able to leave the house for

521
00:22:17,154 --> 00:22:20,074
Speaker 2: a very very long time, and like there are so

522
00:22:20,154 --> 00:22:22,313
Speaker 2: many sons who are too close with their mums. Like

523
00:22:22,354 --> 00:22:25,314
Speaker 2: we all know these men. We all know these men.

524
00:22:25,554 --> 00:22:27,594
Speaker 2: So if it was one of those, that would have

525
00:22:27,634 --> 00:22:29,954
Speaker 2: been kind of fine. But the fact that he used

526
00:22:29,954 --> 00:22:34,354
Speaker 2: the word inappropriately makes me think that he wants to

527
00:22:34,394 --> 00:22:37,394
Speaker 2: put her down or it was actually just way worse

528
00:22:37,434 --> 00:22:38,594
Speaker 2: than no one's really saying anything.

529
00:22:38,754 --> 00:22:42,073
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially, it's almost interesting. It's like Brooklyn and his

530
00:22:42,234 --> 00:22:44,514
Speaker 1: team and Nicola, and you also get the vibe because

531
00:22:44,514 --> 00:22:46,313
Speaker 1: they're so close to her family. Her family are very

532
00:22:46,354 --> 00:22:48,994
Speaker 1: of old in this kind of knew where to cut

533
00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:51,954
Speaker 1: to make the wound the deepest publicly, at least, because

534
00:22:51,994 --> 00:22:56,234
Speaker 1: there's always been this underlying story that David and Victoria

535
00:22:56,314 --> 00:22:59,874
Speaker 1: are not the like cozy, sweet power couple that they

536
00:22:59,914 --> 00:23:02,234
Speaker 1: present to the world, Like, obviously we don't know these people,

537
00:23:02,234 --> 00:23:05,034
Speaker 1: but that's always been out there that they treat stuff badly,

538
00:23:05,074 --> 00:23:07,353
Speaker 1: they treat other people badly, they treat their children as

539
00:23:07,394 --> 00:23:10,674
Speaker 1: a commodity. And now I think like Brooklyn's kind of

540
00:23:10,674 --> 00:23:12,954
Speaker 1: opened the gate for a lot of people to be like, yes,

541
00:23:13,034 --> 00:23:14,914
Speaker 1: we told you so. And one of the people who

542
00:23:15,034 --> 00:23:17,234
Speaker 1: is like better the new cycle talking about this is

543
00:23:17,234 --> 00:23:18,474
Speaker 1: Rebecca Loose. Did you see that?

544
00:23:18,754 --> 00:23:18,914
Speaker 2: No?

545
00:23:19,034 --> 00:23:19,434
Speaker 1: Do you know who?

546
00:23:19,474 --> 00:23:20,434
Speaker 2: But Rebecca Lose is no?

547
00:23:20,514 --> 00:23:21,394
Speaker 1: Oh are you kidding?

548
00:23:21,594 --> 00:23:21,634
Speaker 3: No?

549
00:23:22,714 --> 00:23:25,714
Speaker 1: Wemma when I mean not, Remember it's like thirty years

550
00:23:25,754 --> 00:23:29,513
Speaker 1: ago David Beckham went to Fade the Nanny Yep to

551
00:23:29,594 --> 00:23:32,634
Speaker 1: play for Real Madrid and that's when Victoria had like

552
00:23:32,634 --> 00:23:35,674
Speaker 1: given birth to Brooklyn and like moved there to uproot

553
00:23:35,714 --> 00:23:37,474
Speaker 1: their lives, and then the story came. So she was

554
00:23:37,514 --> 00:23:41,553
Speaker 1: David Beckham's assistant, and her story is always like we

555
00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:43,794
Speaker 1: slept together. Like obviously she knew he was married with

556
00:23:43,874 --> 00:23:45,994
Speaker 1: kids and stuff, but she slept together. She remembers like

557
00:23:46,074 --> 00:23:49,114
Speaker 1: waking up the morning after it happened being so happy

558
00:23:49,194 --> 00:23:51,793
Speaker 1: and then like David kind of shunning her, and the

559
00:23:51,794 --> 00:23:53,834
Speaker 1: Beckham's at the time were just like, she's a liar,

560
00:23:53,994 --> 00:23:57,074
Speaker 1: she's lying, But they never sued her or anything, you know,

561
00:23:57,114 --> 00:23:59,914
Speaker 1: because people just assume it's true. And she has never

562
00:23:59,954 --> 00:24:02,634
Speaker 1: wavered from her retelling of the events from the story.

563
00:24:02,674 --> 00:24:06,234
Speaker 1: But she got absolutely dragged through the tabloids in like

564
00:24:06,314 --> 00:24:08,714
Speaker 1: the biggest kind of takedown of people, being like, again,

565
00:24:08,754 --> 00:24:09,914
Speaker 1: this is twenty years ago, so there.

566
00:24:09,914 --> 00:24:11,714
Speaker 2: Was not very like Monica Lewinski.

567
00:24:12,434 --> 00:24:14,674
Speaker 1: Everyone's like she's a homewrecker, she's a slut, she's all

568
00:24:14,674 --> 00:24:16,594
Speaker 1: these things, and like that has still followed her.

569
00:24:16,754 --> 00:24:20,434
Speaker 2: And in the Beckham documentary, they didn't deny it again, no,

570
00:24:20,954 --> 00:24:21,674
Speaker 2: which was reallyant.

571
00:24:21,754 --> 00:24:23,994
Speaker 1: They always just skim over it now because everyone kind

572
00:24:23,994 --> 00:24:26,674
Speaker 1: of knows, like, yes, it happened, and so if they

573
00:24:26,754 --> 00:24:28,674
Speaker 1: kind of push for her as a liar, they try

574
00:24:28,714 --> 00:24:30,793
Speaker 1: and sue her, Like just sue someone for defamation, you

575
00:24:30,794 --> 00:24:32,634
Speaker 1: have to prove of what they said is not true.

576
00:24:32,834 --> 00:24:34,394
Speaker 1: And because it is true, they don't want to pull

577
00:24:34,434 --> 00:24:37,034
Speaker 1: it that string. So Rebecca loses. Like I believe, she's like,

578
00:24:37,074 --> 00:24:39,073
Speaker 1: she's not in the spot anymore. She does reality sometimes

579
00:24:39,154 --> 00:24:40,833
Speaker 1: and she does you know, interviews and stuff, but she's

580
00:24:40,874 --> 00:24:43,074
Speaker 1: pretty much on the spotlight. She's got kids and everything

581
00:24:43,114 --> 00:24:45,794
Speaker 1: her own life now. But she was posting on Instagram

582
00:24:45,834 --> 00:24:48,234
Speaker 1: and in the comments underneath on the day this happened,

583
00:24:48,474 --> 00:24:50,074
Speaker 1: people were saying, like, oh my god, have you seen

584
00:24:50,074 --> 00:24:52,954
Speaker 1: Brooklyn statement? What do you think? And she said, basically,

585
00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:55,234
Speaker 1: the truth always comes out. I'm glad this is yeah.

586
00:24:55,274 --> 00:24:57,394
Speaker 1: I'm glad this is truth is finally coming up now,

587
00:24:57,554 --> 00:24:59,754
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that he has been able to stand

588
00:24:59,834 --> 00:25:02,553
Speaker 1: up for himself. So she's kind of of the camp

589
00:25:02,674 --> 00:25:04,714
Speaker 1: and like those quotes are going everywhere, she's of the

590
00:25:04,754 --> 00:25:07,274
Speaker 1: camp that She's like, I've been telling you for decad

591
00:25:07,794 --> 00:25:10,034
Speaker 1: how they behave and what they do, and now you're

592
00:25:10,074 --> 00:25:12,194
Speaker 1: finally seeing it because their son has said what I've

593
00:25:12,234 --> 00:25:13,194
Speaker 1: been saying for twenty.

594
00:25:13,034 --> 00:25:16,794
Speaker 2: Years WHOA, that's a microdrop moment. So yeah, the people

595
00:25:16,794 --> 00:25:18,834
Speaker 2: that have to the wedding.

596
00:25:19,314 --> 00:25:24,074
Speaker 1: She walks in, she st the people involved with this,

597
00:25:24,234 --> 00:25:27,714
Speaker 1: the Beckhams, Nicola and Brooklyn, this random DJA guy who

598
00:25:27,754 --> 00:25:31,194
Speaker 1: regrets his comment, the sources to page six mark Antony

599
00:25:31,514 --> 00:25:34,554
Speaker 1: and David Beckham's mistress of twenty years ago, of all

600
00:25:34,594 --> 00:25:36,594
Speaker 1: the ones speaking on this and all the ones putting

601
00:25:36,634 --> 00:25:38,114
Speaker 1: the story. So that's been the fall out for the

602
00:25:38,194 --> 00:25:40,634
Speaker 1: last couple of days. But I would say, like I

603
00:25:40,674 --> 00:25:44,114
Speaker 1: think the reaction to Brooklyn and Nicola, and in terms

604
00:25:44,114 --> 00:25:46,434
Speaker 1: of who everyone's picking a side, is what I'm saying, Yeah,

605
00:25:46,474 --> 00:25:48,874
Speaker 1: I'm not really picking a side because I don't know

606
00:25:49,034 --> 00:25:51,154
Speaker 1: the facts. I believe it's probably I just told you

607
00:25:51,194 --> 00:25:53,154
Speaker 1: all the fact I know well exactly. I didn't take

608
00:25:53,154 --> 00:25:55,714
Speaker 1: your nuzzling story and a high difference into account. But

609
00:25:56,354 --> 00:25:58,074
Speaker 1: it seems like people are very down the line. We're

610
00:25:58,074 --> 00:26:01,754
Speaker 1: either team Brooklyn and Nikola or team Victoria and David,

611
00:26:02,274 --> 00:26:04,793
Speaker 1: and it just seems like there's almost enough evidence on

612
00:26:04,834 --> 00:26:06,554
Speaker 1: either side to corroborate it. But the thing is, I

613
00:26:06,554 --> 00:26:09,834
Speaker 1: don't think Toria and David will put out any kind

614
00:26:09,914 --> 00:26:11,434
Speaker 1: of like, I don't think they'll put out any statements

615
00:26:11,434 --> 00:26:13,914
Speaker 1: saying it's not true. There weren't give any interviews. People

616
00:26:13,914 --> 00:26:16,074
Speaker 1: were saying, David gave an interview yesterday, but he was

617
00:26:16,114 --> 00:26:18,594
Speaker 1: at an event and he was getting odd.

618
00:26:18,394 --> 00:26:21,194
Speaker 2: And he was talking about his children in general. Yeah,

619
00:26:21,234 --> 00:26:23,954
Speaker 2: like it was such an it was uncommon comment.

620
00:26:23,794 --> 00:26:26,554
Speaker 1: Exactly because as he walked into the event, like, there's

621
00:26:26,594 --> 00:26:27,994
Speaker 1: a whole lot of photographers and I'm like, what do

622
00:26:28,074 --> 00:26:30,034
Speaker 1: you think of Brooklyn's statement all this kind of stuff,

623
00:26:30,034 --> 00:26:32,114
Speaker 1: And he was like, he's such like a like knows

624
00:26:32,114 --> 00:26:34,434
Speaker 1: how to be a celebrity. And he had walked down

625
00:26:34,474 --> 00:26:36,674
Speaker 1: the line. He didn't answer any questions about Brooklyn, but

626
00:26:36,754 --> 00:26:39,033
Speaker 1: he said to everyone who was screaming in his face,

627
00:26:39,674 --> 00:26:41,634
Speaker 1: what about your son hating you? He was like, hello,

628
00:26:41,794 --> 00:26:43,754
Speaker 1: nice to see you, Like, have a good day, good morning,

629
00:26:43,794 --> 00:26:45,914
Speaker 1: good morning, good morning. Because he's very like all of

630
00:26:45,914 --> 00:26:48,754
Speaker 1: the people. And also Brooklyn will never turn the UK

631
00:26:48,834 --> 00:26:50,794
Speaker 1: against him because they love him, not just because of

632
00:26:50,834 --> 00:26:52,874
Speaker 1: the soccer thing. They love him for waiting in line

633
00:26:52,874 --> 00:26:56,313
Speaker 1: for the queens. Oh David, Yeah, waiting in line for

634
00:26:56,354 --> 00:26:59,314
Speaker 1: twenty four hours to view the queen's body. He is

635
00:26:59,394 --> 00:27:01,674
Speaker 1: trying to come back from that, You're so sweet.

636
00:27:01,914 --> 00:27:02,994
Speaker 2: I do really like David.

637
00:27:03,594 --> 00:27:04,874
Speaker 1: Damn it, that's the thing.

638
00:27:04,994 --> 00:27:06,354
Speaker 2: I just saw my boys to get a lot.

639
00:27:06,474 --> 00:27:09,553
Speaker 1: I think at once stage Victorian David might say something

640
00:27:09,554 --> 00:27:12,754
Speaker 1: along the lines of part two he has a docco

641
00:27:12,794 --> 00:27:14,474
Speaker 1: comes out. No, I think I might just say something

642
00:27:14,514 --> 00:27:16,994
Speaker 1: on stage like we love all of our children and

643
00:27:17,114 --> 00:27:18,994
Speaker 1: just want them to be happy or something like that,

644
00:27:19,034 --> 00:27:20,593
Speaker 1: but they won't get into the weeds of a back

645
00:27:20,674 --> 00:27:21,154
Speaker 1: and forth.

646
00:27:21,234 --> 00:27:23,954
Speaker 2: I want Brooklyn to publish a book and I wanted

647
00:27:23,994 --> 00:27:26,034
Speaker 2: to be titled The Other Spare.

648
00:27:27,274 --> 00:27:31,234
Speaker 1: The Sequel. I do believe that Brooklyn and Nikola are

649
00:27:31,234 --> 00:27:33,474
Speaker 1: in touch with Meghan and Harry like that. I do

650
00:27:33,554 --> 00:27:36,154
Speaker 1: believe just because we know in like Brooklyn grew up

651
00:27:36,194 --> 00:27:39,394
Speaker 1: knowing Harry, and as we know, there's been the whole fallout,

652
00:27:39,554 --> 00:27:41,394
Speaker 1: and like I do believe they're invited to the wedding

653
00:27:41,434 --> 00:27:43,874
Speaker 1: and all these things that I yeah, so I do

654
00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:46,754
Speaker 1: believe that they are in touch. The difference between Harry

655
00:27:46,754 --> 00:27:50,394
Speaker 1: and Brooklyn, though, is like Harry and Meghan needed cash, Yeah,

656
00:27:50,434 --> 00:27:53,234
Speaker 1: they needed cash to support their lifestyle that pay for

657
00:27:53,274 --> 00:27:56,914
Speaker 1: their security, and Brooklyn and Nikola aren't really in that

658
00:27:56,954 --> 00:28:00,474
Speaker 1: situation because she is a billionaire heiress. Yeah, that's just

659
00:28:00,554 --> 00:28:02,874
Speaker 1: so I don't think that he has to come out

660
00:28:02,914 --> 00:28:05,354
Speaker 1: and do a lot of those money making things that

661
00:28:05,674 --> 00:28:07,793
Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan had to do one because they were

662
00:28:07,794 --> 00:28:09,434
Speaker 1: so desperate to have their story out there. That's why

663
00:28:09,474 --> 00:28:12,314
Speaker 1: they jumped into the Oprah interview instead of just waiting

664
00:28:12,354 --> 00:28:15,594
Speaker 1: to monetize it through documentaries and books and stuff. But

665
00:28:15,954 --> 00:28:18,954
Speaker 1: Nikola and Brooklyn don't have that urgency hanging over them

666
00:28:19,034 --> 00:28:21,354
Speaker 1: of like, how we're going to pay for security because

667
00:28:21,354 --> 00:28:23,514
Speaker 1: people are trying to break into our house? Fair enough

668
00:28:23,514 --> 00:28:25,434
Speaker 1: for Megan and Harry, how are we going to pay

669
00:28:25,634 --> 00:28:28,994
Speaker 1: for twenty four hour security? And so we have to

670
00:28:29,034 --> 00:28:31,194
Speaker 1: sell all these things and like get a million dollar

671
00:28:31,194 --> 00:28:32,234
Speaker 1: book advance.

672
00:28:31,994 --> 00:28:33,194
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a Netflix deal.

673
00:28:33,354 --> 00:28:33,594
Speaker 1: Yeah.

674
00:28:33,594 --> 00:28:36,994
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we'll see Brooklyn and Nikola on the next

675
00:28:37,314 --> 00:28:41,354
Speaker 2: Baking Christmas with Love Beacon with Love Megan.

676
00:28:41,434 --> 00:28:42,434
Speaker 1: Maybe they dust that off.

677
00:28:42,474 --> 00:28:44,314
Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as guys not there, I'm fine.

678
00:28:44,714 --> 00:28:46,874
Speaker 1: Don't not bring it back to that dead dog. Not today, Emily,

679
00:28:47,034 --> 00:28:51,074
Speaker 1: it's too much happening. Okay, So now we must move

680
00:28:51,114 --> 00:28:53,434
Speaker 1: on to the other big dramatic reveal of the day.

681
00:28:53,674 --> 00:28:55,554
Speaker 1: Try to say, if any celebrities have any big news

682
00:28:55,594 --> 00:28:57,834
Speaker 1: they want to announce, this is the week. No, this

683
00:28:57,874 --> 00:28:59,754
Speaker 1: is the week to do it, Like if you're announcing

684
00:28:59,834 --> 00:29:01,714
Speaker 1: a just so tired, No, no, no, I'm just saying, if

685
00:29:01,754 --> 00:29:02,594
Speaker 1: you're announcing like.

686
00:29:02,554 --> 00:29:07,354
Speaker 2: A divorce separation, all audience exactly like I do.

687
00:29:07,394 --> 00:29:09,474
Speaker 1: Think that's why Amanda and Carl from Summer House slip

688
00:29:09,594 --> 00:29:11,794
Speaker 1: their divorce announcement in this week. So I'm just saying,

689
00:29:11,794 --> 00:29:13,834
Speaker 1: if anyone else has been holding anything, now is the

690
00:29:13,874 --> 00:29:16,474
Speaker 1: time to go. Became a big breakup, yeah, because we

691
00:29:16,514 --> 00:29:18,074
Speaker 1: don't have time to deal with that. There's too many

692
00:29:18,114 --> 00:29:20,634
Speaker 1: other celebrity stories happening, so you won't get the attention

693
00:29:20,754 --> 00:29:24,234
Speaker 1: that you are normally looking for. Because we have the

694
00:29:24,234 --> 00:29:28,194
Speaker 1: next stage of the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively legal

695
00:29:28,314 --> 00:29:30,194
Speaker 1: process that is happening. So we know they're going to

696
00:29:30,234 --> 00:29:32,514
Speaker 1: court in much of this year. So obviously we've had

697
00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:34,674
Speaker 1: over a year long build up to this, and so

698
00:29:34,754 --> 00:29:37,114
Speaker 1: both of the legal teams are still in the process

699
00:29:37,274 --> 00:29:40,114
Speaker 1: of a deposition, so people having to give like statements

700
00:29:40,114 --> 00:29:44,434
Speaker 1: on the record, having documents unsealed so each side can

701
00:29:44,474 --> 00:29:48,034
Speaker 1: build their case before that first court hearing. And so

702
00:29:48,274 --> 00:29:50,354
Speaker 1: now we're at the stage where a lot of people

703
00:29:50,354 --> 00:29:53,034
Speaker 1: who were involved in the making of it ends with

704
00:29:53,114 --> 00:29:56,154
Speaker 1: us have been deposed, which means they've had to, you know,

705
00:29:56,234 --> 00:29:58,354
Speaker 1: give a statement under oath. So if they lie, they

706
00:29:58,394 --> 00:30:02,634
Speaker 1: go to jail and the supporting evidence, so things like emails.

707
00:30:02,754 --> 00:30:04,234
Speaker 1: What they do is like they take your laptop, they

708
00:30:04,274 --> 00:30:06,474
Speaker 1: take your phone, they pull any emails or text messages

709
00:30:06,714 --> 00:30:08,794
Speaker 1: that are a the event. And because this is all

710
00:30:08,874 --> 00:30:12,874
Speaker 1: gone into the legal system, it's now public knowledge, which

711
00:30:12,874 --> 00:30:16,114
Speaker 1: is why we have all of these normally text messages

712
00:30:16,114 --> 00:30:17,874
Speaker 1: and emails and things that we would never see.

713
00:30:17,994 --> 00:30:21,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, it's almost too much information.

714
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:24,034
Speaker 1: It's so much information, Like I have just gone through

715
00:30:24,034 --> 00:30:25,554
Speaker 1: it all, and I know there's some things that people

716
00:30:25,594 --> 00:30:28,954
Speaker 1: are pulling out, but yeah, there's so many different ways

717
00:30:28,994 --> 00:30:30,554
Speaker 1: to go with this. So starting off with some of

718
00:30:30,594 --> 00:30:31,274
Speaker 1: our big name.

719
00:30:31,154 --> 00:30:33,754
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so many like a list celebrities are

720
00:30:33,794 --> 00:30:37,754
Speaker 2: in this, and I have to talk about certain quotes

721
00:30:37,794 --> 00:30:41,474
Speaker 2: that happened between Ben Affleck and Blake Lily as well

722
00:30:41,514 --> 00:30:44,514
Speaker 2: as Matt Damon and Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively because

723
00:30:44,514 --> 00:30:47,194
Speaker 2: it's really really juicy. But I also want to talk

724
00:30:47,194 --> 00:30:49,274
Speaker 2: about some of the depositions that have come out now

725
00:30:49,354 --> 00:30:52,194
Speaker 2: because the transcripts for those have been released. Jenny slat

726
00:30:52,794 --> 00:30:56,114
Speaker 2: she in the movie, and the thing is, the movie

727
00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:58,114
Speaker 2: is not that good for this to be such a

728
00:30:58,114 --> 00:30:58,594
Speaker 2: big deal.

729
00:30:58,994 --> 00:31:01,194
Speaker 1: I know, but that was a thread through all of

730
00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:03,994
Speaker 1: the messages that Blake Lively. When Blake Lively is reaching

731
00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:06,034
Speaker 1: out to all these fil for help, a common thread

732
00:31:06,034 --> 00:31:08,954
Speaker 1: through all of her messages emails is I cannot tell

733
00:31:08,994 --> 00:31:10,754
Speaker 1: you what a s show this is. This was the

734
00:31:10,754 --> 00:31:13,514
Speaker 1: most dramatic, worst movie making process I've ever been through.

735
00:31:13,714 --> 00:31:16,194
Speaker 1: And she says repeatedly to different people that what she

736
00:31:16,234 --> 00:31:18,634
Speaker 1: should be doing is making a documentary or a movie

737
00:31:18,674 --> 00:31:20,754
Speaker 1: about the movie. Yeah, which I do believe one day

738
00:31:20,754 --> 00:31:23,554
Speaker 1: we'll get that, someone will do dramatic retelling. Yes, because

739
00:31:23,634 --> 00:31:24,634
Speaker 1: it was just such.

740
00:31:24,434 --> 00:31:26,074
Speaker 2: An I think she will make it because in one

741
00:31:26,114 --> 00:31:28,274
Speaker 2: of the emails with Matt Damon, she's like, I've already

742
00:31:28,314 --> 00:31:32,114
Speaker 2: got the title lights Cult Action, and I was like,

743
00:31:32,154 --> 00:31:33,514
Speaker 2: you know what, girl, I would watch that.

744
00:31:33,594 --> 00:31:36,114
Speaker 1: Oh I watched the shit out. Oh my god, give

745
00:31:36,154 --> 00:31:36,834
Speaker 1: her money for that.

746
00:31:37,714 --> 00:31:42,434
Speaker 2: Jenny Slay So she played Justin Baldoni's character's sister, as

747
00:31:42,474 --> 00:31:45,314
Speaker 2: well as Lily Blum's best friend that was like Lyley's character,

748
00:31:45,874 --> 00:31:49,354
Speaker 2: and some of the transcripts from her deposition have been released,

749
00:31:49,714 --> 00:31:52,074
Speaker 2: kind of stuff that we already knew or like had

750
00:31:52,114 --> 00:31:55,754
Speaker 2: already been like rumored around. She said that both her

751
00:31:55,834 --> 00:31:59,914
Speaker 2: and Blake complained directly to the studio about Baldoni. She

752
00:32:00,074 --> 00:32:03,274
Speaker 2: stated in some text messages about filming the movie, she said,

753
00:32:03,554 --> 00:32:06,514
Speaker 2: it has been really gross and disturbing shoots. I'm one

754
00:32:06,514 --> 00:32:09,194
Speaker 2: of many who feel this way. I honestly have never

755
00:32:09,274 --> 00:32:10,914
Speaker 2: ever counted anything like this.

756
00:32:11,034 --> 00:32:11,314
Speaker 3: Dude.

757
00:32:11,394 --> 00:32:14,914
Speaker 2: He's the biggest clown and the most intense narcissist. Lots

758
00:32:14,914 --> 00:32:17,674
Speaker 2: of lessons learned. She also made it quite clear in

759
00:32:17,714 --> 00:32:20,754
Speaker 2: a disposition that she wasn't afraid, like it wasn't a

760
00:32:20,754 --> 00:32:24,074
Speaker 2: predatory level, but she was just very annoyed and irritated

761
00:32:24,074 --> 00:32:26,794
Speaker 2: by him. And she also said that Blake Glaly will

762
00:32:26,794 --> 00:32:29,034
Speaker 2: be getting it like way worse than she was, and

763
00:32:29,074 --> 00:32:30,394
Speaker 2: I thought that was so damning.

764
00:32:30,874 --> 00:32:32,954
Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, that's the thing as we go through this,

765
00:32:33,154 --> 00:32:35,714
Speaker 1: like a lot of these emails or statements, I mean,

766
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:38,074
Speaker 1: obviously it's all going to courts. We can't really pick

767
00:32:38,114 --> 00:32:41,154
Speaker 1: a side yet, but a lot of it is being

768
00:32:41,354 --> 00:32:45,274
Speaker 1: placed in these documents because it is corroborating what Blake

769
00:32:45,434 --> 00:32:48,674
Speaker 1: and Jenny and that side. Well, everything they have alleged

770
00:32:48,674 --> 00:32:52,994
Speaker 1: against Justin is being corroborated through these emails and text messages,

771
00:32:53,114 --> 00:32:54,714
Speaker 1: So not saying it's true, but just saying, like, the

772
00:32:54,754 --> 00:32:58,194
Speaker 1: conversations that they're having now match exactly the conversations they

773
00:32:58,194 --> 00:33:00,954
Speaker 1: were having years ago now when this movie was filmed.

774
00:33:01,034 --> 00:33:04,754
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was also the actress Isabella Ferrer, who

775
00:33:04,794 --> 00:33:08,274
Speaker 2: played the younger version of Blake Lively's character in the film.

776
00:33:08,554 --> 00:33:12,354
Speaker 2: Transcripts from her deposition has also been released publicly. She

777
00:33:12,514 --> 00:33:15,514
Speaker 2: was asked was there any inappropriate, aren't and welcome actions,

778
00:33:15,594 --> 00:33:18,634
Speaker 2: conducts or comments during the production of the film, and

779
00:33:18,714 --> 00:33:21,914
Speaker 2: she listed three occasions. One of them, she said, there

780
00:33:21,954 --> 00:33:23,994
Speaker 2: was a scene in which my character Lily is in

781
00:33:23,994 --> 00:33:26,514
Speaker 2: the kitchen and the other character played by my coaster,

782
00:33:26,674 --> 00:33:28,954
Speaker 2: is making cookies, and there was a note that was

783
00:33:29,074 --> 00:33:31,874
Speaker 2: a change to the scene in which he was feeding

784
00:33:31,914 --> 00:33:35,114
Speaker 2: me cookie dough from a spoon. Justin offered that I

785
00:33:35,154 --> 00:33:37,234
Speaker 2: licked the cookie dough off the spoon and look up

786
00:33:37,274 --> 00:33:39,234
Speaker 2: at my coaster in a way that deemed to me

787
00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:42,394
Speaker 2: kind of inappropriate giving the context of the scene. It

788
00:33:42,434 --> 00:33:44,194
Speaker 2: didn't make sense to me in the scene that we

789
00:33:44,194 --> 00:33:46,434
Speaker 2: were filming that my character would do that kind of thing,

790
00:33:46,554 --> 00:33:50,794
Speaker 2: given she was sixteen and in high school. Yeah, so

791
00:33:50,994 --> 00:33:53,594
Speaker 2: a lot of like notes from that from the deposition,

792
00:33:53,674 --> 00:33:57,194
Speaker 2: But then we were also shown emails that happened, and

793
00:33:57,234 --> 00:34:00,034
Speaker 2: this was already we already knew this while Blake was

794
00:34:00,194 --> 00:34:04,114
Speaker 2: rewriting the scenes because she didn't like the way the

795
00:34:04,114 --> 00:34:07,114
Speaker 2: movie was being made, so she went out and rewrite

796
00:34:07,394 --> 00:34:10,073
Speaker 2: some of the scenes and some of the edits, and

797
00:34:10,114 --> 00:34:12,953
Speaker 2: then they kind of did a comparison on who had

798
00:34:12,994 --> 00:34:16,514
Speaker 2: the best edits, and she was sending her edits to

799
00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:19,994
Speaker 2: her famous friends to kind of get them to, I

800
00:34:19,994 --> 00:34:23,393
Speaker 2: guess endorse her version of the movie, which is what

801
00:34:23,514 --> 00:34:26,433
Speaker 2: we kind of heard from Justin Buddoni's team where he

802
00:34:26,474 --> 00:34:29,674
Speaker 2: said he was ambushed by Taylor Swift and Ryan Reynolds, yes,

803
00:34:29,994 --> 00:34:32,634
Speaker 2: and was trying to be convinced to let Blake write

804
00:34:32,674 --> 00:34:36,154
Speaker 2: the movie essentially, So we do have emails that she

805
00:34:36,354 --> 00:34:37,514
Speaker 2: sent to Ben Affleck.

806
00:34:38,314 --> 00:34:39,834
Speaker 1: The thing is, like, I'm sure I've a lot of

807
00:34:39,834 --> 00:34:42,354
Speaker 1: our messages and emails were read out. We also wouldn't

808
00:34:42,394 --> 00:34:44,834
Speaker 1: come off great, but these are particularly but you know what,

809
00:34:44,914 --> 00:34:47,554
Speaker 1: She's not on trial for being cringe, so that doesn't

810
00:34:47,594 --> 00:34:50,393
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't sue someone for being cringe. That's

811
00:34:50,394 --> 00:34:52,354
Speaker 1: not what she's saying. So it's just just trying to

812
00:34:52,354 --> 00:34:52,954
Speaker 1: prove a point.

813
00:34:53,114 --> 00:34:55,754
Speaker 2: Okay, because this email to Ben Affleck starts off with

814
00:34:56,274 --> 00:34:58,473
Speaker 2: hey Ben, it's Blake. Don't hang up.

815
00:34:58,714 --> 00:35:01,354
Speaker 1: This is an email, right, that must be. I can

816
00:35:01,394 --> 00:35:03,914
Speaker 1: only assume that that's an in joke between them. What

817
00:35:04,114 --> 00:35:06,554
Speaker 1: in joke that he hangs up on her a lot

818
00:35:08,834 --> 00:35:12,034
Speaker 1: so that he doesn't like her? Well, no, I no, no, no,

819
00:35:12,074 --> 00:35:13,834
Speaker 1: I don't think she would be messaging someone who didn't

820
00:35:13,874 --> 00:35:14,074
Speaker 1: like her.

821
00:35:14,114 --> 00:35:15,433
Speaker 2: Was just one of those things where he is like

822
00:35:15,434 --> 00:35:18,314
Speaker 2: a really bad reply and to like in their text threads,

823
00:35:18,314 --> 00:35:20,834
Speaker 2: it's just her talking to herself essential.

824
00:35:20,794 --> 00:35:23,993
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I've never heard. So they made the Town together, yeah,

825
00:35:24,034 --> 00:35:27,314
Speaker 1: and had you know, some raunchy scenes from a memory

826
00:35:27,314 --> 00:35:30,194
Speaker 1: of that movie and worked very closely together and promoted

827
00:35:30,234 --> 00:35:32,594
Speaker 1: that movie a lot together afterwards. And that was a

828
00:35:32,594 --> 00:35:34,154
Speaker 1: big deal for Blake Lively because it was one of

829
00:35:34,194 --> 00:35:36,114
Speaker 1: her first big dramatic roles when she was trying to

830
00:35:36,114 --> 00:35:38,754
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not just Sirena Vandalwoodson. And I believe

831
00:35:38,834 --> 00:35:41,594
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck was like a big champion of her of

832
00:35:41,634 --> 00:35:43,714
Speaker 1: like having her in that movie and like talking about

833
00:35:43,754 --> 00:35:46,234
Speaker 1: her interviews about how like what a great dramatic actress

834
00:35:46,234 --> 00:35:48,354
Speaker 1: she was and everything. And I believe that they've had

835
00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:50,913
Speaker 1: a really good relationship since then. And then he also

836
00:35:50,954 --> 00:35:53,714
Speaker 1: has a good relationship with Ryan Reynolds, so it makes

837
00:35:53,714 --> 00:35:55,474
Speaker 1: sense that she would reach out to him. There just

838
00:35:55,554 --> 00:35:56,354
Speaker 1: must be an in joke.

839
00:35:56,514 --> 00:36:00,634
Speaker 2: Okay, let me continue. Okay, I'm writing with a zero

840
00:36:00,714 --> 00:36:03,674
Speaker 2: pressure ask. I've just come out of the other side.

841
00:36:03,794 --> 00:36:06,873
Speaker 2: Well almost of the most upsetting experience I've ever had

842
00:36:06,914 --> 00:36:09,913
Speaker 2: on movie, the making of doc of this film would

843
00:36:09,954 --> 00:36:12,074
Speaker 2: be more interesting than the movie could ever be.

844
00:36:12,394 --> 00:36:15,434
Speaker 1: I thine Colin Hoover reading this, Colin Hoover is like,

845
00:36:15,514 --> 00:36:19,274
Speaker 1: let me out. But also she's not wrong, Like the

846
00:36:19,634 --> 00:36:21,553
Speaker 1: story is like like it, I hate it. The story

847
00:36:21,594 --> 00:36:24,634
Speaker 1: is fine, But the making of this yeah, this is

848
00:36:24,634 --> 00:36:26,034
Speaker 1: an oscar Worthy movie, right.

849
00:36:27,554 --> 00:36:30,994
Speaker 2: It's like if Wild Wild Country Fire Festival and Going

850
00:36:31,034 --> 00:36:34,554
Speaker 2: Clear had a baby with the Room. Room also works, though.

851
00:36:35,594 --> 00:36:40,873
Speaker 1: So Room famously like the craziest worst movie making experience ever.

852
00:36:41,034 --> 00:36:43,433
Speaker 1: Like there is there's TV shows and documentaries about the

853
00:36:43,434 --> 00:36:46,074
Speaker 1: making of that movie because it is held in Hollywood.

854
00:36:46,074 --> 00:36:49,114
Speaker 1: As this is the worst movie making experience has ever happened?

855
00:36:49,274 --> 00:36:52,194
Speaker 2: Watched it? Yeah, I'm crazy, can't bring myself to watch it.

856
00:36:52,314 --> 00:36:53,794
Speaker 1: No, you need to go. So they still show it

857
00:36:53,794 --> 00:36:56,114
Speaker 1: in cinemas because it's become a cult thing. Now I

858
00:36:56,194 --> 00:36:57,674
Speaker 1: need to go to it, like one of those cinema

859
00:36:57,674 --> 00:36:59,954
Speaker 1: things because people have times, like there's times where you

860
00:37:00,034 --> 00:37:02,834
Speaker 1: yell out like different things, and like people throw spoons

861
00:37:02,834 --> 00:37:05,114
Speaker 1: at the screen and like one. Because it's become like

862
00:37:05,274 --> 00:37:06,834
Speaker 1: everyone's like, this is the worst movie ever made. It's

863
00:37:06,834 --> 00:37:09,634
Speaker 1: an it's experienced to watch with other people. So the

864
00:37:09,634 --> 00:37:11,274
Speaker 1: fact that she's pulling that in their like she's pulling

865
00:37:11,274 --> 00:37:11,994
Speaker 1: out the big guns.

866
00:37:14,074 --> 00:37:18,114
Speaker 2: Anyway, I ended up rewriting and restructuring the entire script.

867
00:37:18,394 --> 00:37:21,154
Speaker 2: I also ended up having to direct the movie via

868
00:37:21,234 --> 00:37:26,074
Speaker 2: the chaotic clown director in quote marks slash actor, slash producer,

869
00:37:26,154 --> 00:37:29,913
Speaker 2: slash financer slash studio head at the center. Yes, that's

870
00:37:29,954 --> 00:37:33,114
Speaker 2: all the same person. Oh and did I mention he

871
00:37:33,274 --> 00:37:35,234
Speaker 2: and everyone he had on the movie is in a

872
00:37:35,274 --> 00:37:36,314
Speaker 2: cult court.

873
00:37:36,874 --> 00:37:41,274
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Yeah, the cult accusations have been lost over time.

874
00:37:41,474 --> 00:37:43,834
Speaker 2: Given everything to get into that one day. If I

875
00:37:43,874 --> 00:37:45,993
Speaker 2: would have just formally directed it, it would have been

876
00:37:46,074 --> 00:37:48,674
Speaker 2: much easier. But having to sounds like she's just like

877
00:37:48,914 --> 00:37:49,834
Speaker 2: venting at this point.

878
00:37:49,914 --> 00:37:52,354
Speaker 1: Well, I mean also fair. If I would have.

879
00:37:52,314 --> 00:37:54,394
Speaker 2: Just formerly directed it, it would have been much easier.

880
00:37:54,594 --> 00:37:58,154
Speaker 2: But having to troubleshoot through his taste, ego and pre

881
00:37:58,314 --> 00:38:01,754
Speaker 2: existing decisions made it so difficult. And that's not even

882
00:38:01,794 --> 00:38:06,034
Speaker 2: touching on any of the wild hr issues and beyond. Anyway,

883
00:38:06,274 --> 00:38:08,634
Speaker 2: I'm in a baker with him in the edit. He's

884
00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:12,034
Speaker 2: been editing since I kid you not July, and they

885
00:38:12,074 --> 00:38:14,474
Speaker 2: gave me ten days to do my own past. We

886
00:38:14,554 --> 00:38:16,674
Speaker 2: have a bake off in twelve days, but I have

887
00:38:16,794 --> 00:38:19,434
Speaker 2: a friend and family preview in New York on Saturday

888
00:38:19,514 --> 00:38:21,714
Speaker 2: in the meantime, so I can get one round of

889
00:38:21,714 --> 00:38:23,953
Speaker 2: notes or feedback before we duke it out.

890
00:38:24,314 --> 00:38:26,674
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is what she's saying. There is

891
00:38:26,754 --> 00:38:30,513
Speaker 1: also Justin Baldoni's complaint against her, so his initial legal

892
00:38:30,554 --> 00:38:33,433
Speaker 1: complaint against her has been dismissed. This legal case they're

893
00:38:33,474 --> 00:38:36,874
Speaker 1: doing now is over like the sexual harassment and harassment

894
00:38:36,914 --> 00:38:39,354
Speaker 1: claims on court, but Justin Baldoni is one of his

895
00:38:39,394 --> 00:38:41,554
Speaker 1: big complaints about Blake Lively is that she came in

896
00:38:41,594 --> 00:38:44,714
Speaker 1: and took over directing the movie, which by her own

897
00:38:44,714 --> 00:38:48,473
Speaker 1: admission here is true, but that's also not what this

898
00:38:48,554 --> 00:38:51,393
Speaker 1: particular legal case is hinging on. Yeah, she's admitting it,

899
00:38:51,434 --> 00:38:53,714
Speaker 1: but also she's giving information about why she had to

900
00:38:53,754 --> 00:38:53,994
Speaker 1: do that.

901
00:38:54,194 --> 00:38:58,033
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's okay, but okay, sorry, but I don't

902
00:38:58,074 --> 00:39:00,634
Speaker 2: think Ben replied. I didn't see a reply from Ben.

903
00:39:00,634 --> 00:39:01,074
Speaker 2: He's busy.

904
00:39:01,434 --> 00:39:01,953
Speaker 1: He called her.

905
00:39:02,074 --> 00:39:04,194
Speaker 2: There also was where she asked, I would love it

906
00:39:04,234 --> 00:39:06,354
Speaker 2: if your wife could watch it. I'm a huge fan

907
00:39:06,394 --> 00:39:08,154
Speaker 2: of hers, and that was the time when he was

908
00:39:08,154 --> 00:39:09,954
Speaker 2: married to Jennifer lof Lopez.

909
00:39:10,034 --> 00:39:11,794
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she puts in brackets like just so you know,

910
00:39:11,794 --> 00:39:13,954
Speaker 1: it's domestic foe, so it's not triggering. And she's like,

911
00:39:14,114 --> 00:39:15,913
Speaker 1: she and I have had a good relationship every time

912
00:39:15,914 --> 00:39:17,953
Speaker 1: we've met. I love her thoughts on it as well,

913
00:39:18,034 --> 00:39:20,513
Speaker 1: So now Jennifer Lopez is a fault. Jennifer Lopez gets

914
00:39:20,554 --> 00:39:22,154
Speaker 1: to pose and she's like, I'm not talking. I'm not

915
00:39:22,194 --> 00:39:24,794
Speaker 1: even with this man anymore. I think they're enough.

916
00:39:24,914 --> 00:39:28,514
Speaker 2: Okay, But the Matt Damon emails are arguably my favorite.

917
00:39:28,554 --> 00:39:30,274
Speaker 2: So she pretty much just kind of did a bit

918
00:39:30,314 --> 00:39:33,034
Speaker 2: of a copy and paste to Matt Damon. It's like

919
00:39:33,074 --> 00:39:35,074
Speaker 2: it's a completely different email, but the gist of what

920
00:39:35,114 --> 00:39:37,554
Speaker 2: she's saying is the same. Ryan Reynolds was the first

921
00:39:37,554 --> 00:39:39,554
Speaker 2: one to email Matt. I'm assuming they're on like a

922
00:39:39,674 --> 00:39:43,194
Speaker 2: chain with Matt Damon, his wife Lucy, Ryan Reynolds, and

923
00:39:43,194 --> 00:39:47,314
Speaker 2: Blake Lively. So Ryan Reynolds tells Matt everything. Blake also

924
00:39:47,394 --> 00:39:49,474
Speaker 2: jumps in and does a whole like zero pressure, but

925
00:39:49,514 --> 00:39:53,114
Speaker 2: we'd really appreciate it. Matt replies, We'll give you any

926
00:39:53,154 --> 00:39:56,034
Speaker 2: help we can. And if this experience hasn't totally destroyed

927
00:39:56,034 --> 00:39:58,714
Speaker 2: your soul, Blake, you should come direct your next movie

928
00:39:58,714 --> 00:40:01,794
Speaker 2: at Artist Equity. We're a kind of a cult, but

929
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:02,754
Speaker 2: a really nice one.

930
00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:04,074
Speaker 1: Oh that's his production company.

931
00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:07,274
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Ryan says, and oh my god, if

932
00:40:07,314 --> 00:40:10,634
Speaker 2: I was justin Baldoni in this, I'd cry, Ryan says.

933
00:40:10,914 --> 00:40:13,794
Speaker 2: Several weeks before shooting, and right after Blake had given

934
00:40:13,834 --> 00:40:16,714
Speaker 2: birth to our son, this guy called our trainer Don

935
00:40:16,834 --> 00:40:19,194
Speaker 2: and asked, how much do you think Blake will weigh

936
00:40:19,234 --> 00:40:22,314
Speaker 2: in two weeks. Don got very long island all of

937
00:40:22,314 --> 00:40:25,674
Speaker 2: a sudden, and justin backtracked. He said, I'm only asking

938
00:40:25,794 --> 00:40:27,594
Speaker 2: because I have to carry her in a scene and

939
00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:29,154
Speaker 2: I have low bone density.

940
00:40:30,674 --> 00:40:34,873
Speaker 1: And then Matt da nothing to laugh at. Nothing to

941
00:40:34,954 --> 00:40:35,354
Speaker 1: laugh at.

942
00:40:35,354 --> 00:40:38,913
Speaker 2: But Damon's wife, Lucy Damon says, sorry.

943
00:40:38,554 --> 00:40:42,033
Speaker 1: But what the actual fuck. I don't know much about

944
00:40:42,074 --> 00:40:44,274
Speaker 1: that woman, about Matt Damon's wife, but everything I know

945
00:40:44,274 --> 00:40:45,953
Speaker 1: about her I like so much, Like every time I've

946
00:40:45,954 --> 00:40:48,354
Speaker 1: heard her speak, she's such a she's just like a

947
00:40:48,354 --> 00:40:49,873
Speaker 1: New Yorker who was working in a bar when she

948
00:40:49,994 --> 00:40:51,794
Speaker 1: met Damon. Like she's zero bullshit.

949
00:40:52,394 --> 00:40:56,274
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, the actual what the actual fuck?

950
00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:59,274
Speaker 2: So I think it's pretty clear that well, Ben Affleck,

951
00:40:59,314 --> 00:41:02,074
Speaker 2: we didn't have a reply, but Matt Damon endorsed Blake's

952
00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:05,714
Speaker 2: version of the film Yes, which if you were justin

953
00:41:05,794 --> 00:41:08,154
Speaker 2: Baldoni you'd be quite get well.

954
00:41:08,234 --> 00:41:10,234
Speaker 1: Yes. And the thing is this has been his complaint.

955
00:41:10,274 --> 00:41:12,994
Speaker 1: And remember how he had his own group text messages

956
00:41:13,594 --> 00:41:16,194
Speaker 1: with his people, and one of them was Rain Wilson

957
00:41:16,234 --> 00:41:18,634
Speaker 1: from the office. Some of them were a little bit known,

958
00:41:18,674 --> 00:41:21,234
Speaker 1: but they were there's not the starck for Rain wilis.

959
00:41:21,314 --> 00:41:21,873
Speaker 2: Yeah.

960
00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:24,194
Speaker 1: So the thing is, of course they're both doing what

961
00:41:24,234 --> 00:41:26,354
Speaker 1: anyone would do, famous or not. Like you have a

962
00:41:26,354 --> 00:41:28,474
Speaker 1: shit time at work, you're in the group chat with

963
00:41:28,514 --> 00:41:31,634
Speaker 1: your friends and you're venting to them. And in those

964
00:41:31,674 --> 00:41:34,634
Speaker 1: text messages that have been released where Justin Baldoni is

965
00:41:34,714 --> 00:41:36,754
Speaker 1: vented to his friends and like one of them kind

966
00:41:36,754 --> 00:41:39,274
Speaker 1: of really leading the charge is Rain Wilson being like, well,

967
00:41:39,314 --> 00:41:41,514
Speaker 1: well here for you. That sounds awful. Let us know

968
00:41:41,594 --> 00:41:44,714
Speaker 1: any update. And in those text messages, Justin Baldoni gives

969
00:41:44,714 --> 00:41:47,834
Speaker 1: his versions of events, which is Blake taking over Ryan

970
00:41:47,994 --> 00:41:49,873
Speaker 1: speaking to him in a terrible way and him not

971
00:41:49,954 --> 00:41:53,154
Speaker 1: knowing what to say, being like ambushed at the apartment

972
00:41:53,234 --> 00:41:56,433
Speaker 1: by Taylor Swift. So they're both obviously doing it, which

973
00:41:56,474 --> 00:41:58,714
Speaker 1: is fair enough, but it's it's like corroborating both of

974
00:41:58,754 --> 00:42:02,393
Speaker 1: their stories that they've set forward in a way which is.

975
00:42:02,354 --> 00:42:04,674
Speaker 2: Like fair exactly what you said, like if your friend

976
00:42:04,714 --> 00:42:07,913
Speaker 2: comes to you complaining about work atomatically on your friends

977
00:42:07,994 --> 00:42:09,394
Speaker 2: right and like works the enemy.

978
00:42:09,514 --> 00:42:11,634
Speaker 1: It just the power and balance is huge, is what

979
00:42:11,754 --> 00:42:13,794
Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni has said, is that the power and blands

980
00:42:13,834 --> 00:42:16,234
Speaker 1: as huge as that hers like a list a list

981
00:42:16,354 --> 00:42:19,154
Speaker 1: people that have been brought in. But also her complaint

982
00:42:19,154 --> 00:42:20,794
Speaker 1: again is not about the fact that they had to

983
00:42:20,874 --> 00:42:22,913
Speaker 1: argue over their editing. You can't sue someone for that.

984
00:42:22,994 --> 00:42:24,074
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sexually you can't.

985
00:42:24,154 --> 00:42:27,394
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the sexual harassment claims. And there are claims

986
00:42:27,394 --> 00:42:30,433
Speaker 1: in those emails about inappropriate behavior. So that's why these

987
00:42:30,474 --> 00:42:32,314
Speaker 1: I mean. The thing is, the legal teams would have

988
00:42:32,354 --> 00:42:35,553
Speaker 1: gone through like hundreds of emails and hundreds of text

989
00:42:35,594 --> 00:42:37,554
Speaker 1: messages and things where you could only bring the ones

990
00:42:37,794 --> 00:42:40,234
Speaker 1: to these court documents and use them in your case

991
00:42:40,354 --> 00:42:42,834
Speaker 1: if they have some sort of bearing on the conversation.

992
00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:45,234
Speaker 1: And the thing is, you have to give each person

993
00:42:45,314 --> 00:42:47,314
Speaker 1: a list of like the keywords you want to search.

994
00:42:47,714 --> 00:42:50,114
Speaker 1: So all Justin's team had to do was like give

995
00:42:50,154 --> 00:42:53,034
Speaker 1: a key list of all these famous names, and they

996
00:42:53,114 --> 00:42:55,514
Speaker 1: all these emails would have been brought into the fray

997
00:42:55,594 --> 00:43:00,433
Speaker 1: because of the keyword search. WHOA yeah, oh my god,

998
00:43:00,434 --> 00:43:04,114
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Delete your emails going forward to clear some

999
00:43:04,114 --> 00:43:07,314
Speaker 1: stuff out. I'm kidding. You got some damning stuff from

1000
00:43:07,314 --> 00:43:09,194
Speaker 1: that phone. It's from me just telling you all the

1001
00:43:09,194 --> 00:43:11,714
Speaker 1: famous people in Sydney I don't like. All right, well,

1002
00:43:11,754 --> 00:43:13,074
Speaker 1: I'll be ready to move on to the tailors sift

1003
00:43:13,074 --> 00:43:15,194
Speaker 1: a divorce because this is the explosive part. I'm sad

1004
00:43:15,274 --> 00:43:18,274
Speaker 1: because Taylor Swift's team, for the last few years that

1005
00:43:18,354 --> 00:43:20,674
Speaker 1: this has been going on, has very much tried to

1006
00:43:20,754 --> 00:43:23,514
Speaker 1: keep her name out of this whole legal situation. The

1007
00:43:23,754 --> 00:43:26,034
Speaker 1: statement that came from her team was like, Taylor is

1008
00:43:26,074 --> 00:43:29,274
Speaker 1: not involved in this and she alleged that Justin Baldoni

1009
00:43:29,314 --> 00:43:31,274
Speaker 1: and his team were just trying to use her name

1010
00:43:31,634 --> 00:43:35,274
Speaker 1: to create headlines and to get more people in situation exactly.

1011
00:43:35,674 --> 00:43:38,634
Speaker 1: And so the statement was, like, Taylor's not involved in

1012
00:43:38,634 --> 00:43:40,514
Speaker 1: this movie. At the time, she was on the biggest

1013
00:43:40,554 --> 00:43:42,234
Speaker 1: tour in the world. Fair enough, we can fact check

1014
00:43:42,234 --> 00:43:45,634
Speaker 1: that she was there on the Air's tour. They saw her. Well,

1015
00:43:45,674 --> 00:43:53,234
Speaker 1: you didn't not thet I'm not just inside, I'm not

1016
00:43:53,754 --> 00:43:59,594
Speaker 1: deem Justin Man. Okay, someone's going to take that way

1017
00:43:59,594 --> 00:44:02,834
Speaker 1: out of context. So but now Taylorstift has been brought

1018
00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:05,913
Speaker 1: into it because a series of text messages discussing the

1019
00:44:05,994 --> 00:44:08,634
Speaker 1: movie has being brought into the court case because it

1020
00:44:08,674 --> 00:44:11,874
Speaker 1: shows that she was quite involved. Well, yeah, it definitely

1021
00:44:11,874 --> 00:44:14,433
Speaker 1: shows that she was involved to the extent that there

1022
00:44:14,434 --> 00:44:16,554
Speaker 1: were stories going out that she had been involved in

1023
00:44:16,594 --> 00:44:18,474
Speaker 1: casting and all these things. And I haven't seen that

1024
00:44:18,514 --> 00:44:21,154
Speaker 1: in the text messages, but she was obviously very involved

1025
00:44:21,194 --> 00:44:24,994
Speaker 1: in what was going on on set. So one of

1026
00:44:24,994 --> 00:44:27,754
Speaker 1: the text messages from Taylor Swift Taylor Stift like, we

1027
00:44:27,794 --> 00:44:30,474
Speaker 1: know so much about her, but since she became so

1028
00:44:30,754 --> 00:44:34,433
Speaker 1: otherworldly famous, we have so little insight into how she

1029
00:44:34,554 --> 00:44:37,474
Speaker 1: actually like speaks when she's not on stage and in interviews,

1030
00:44:37,874 --> 00:44:40,234
Speaker 1: how she behaves, how she communicates with her friends.

1031
00:44:40,274 --> 00:44:43,754
Speaker 2: I feel like reading someone's text is basically.

1032
00:44:44,394 --> 00:44:46,314
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like seeing someone naked, like and to your

1033
00:44:46,354 --> 00:44:48,873
Speaker 1: best friend. Like, we don't know where Taylor Swift and

1034
00:44:48,874 --> 00:44:51,354
Speaker 1: Blake Lively stand now. We do know they haven't been

1035
00:44:51,394 --> 00:44:53,593
Speaker 1: seen in public together for a very very long time.

1036
00:44:53,834 --> 00:44:56,354
Speaker 1: They don't engage on social together like they used to,

1037
00:44:56,554 --> 00:44:58,553
Speaker 1: so something has happened and changed.

1038
00:44:58,594 --> 00:45:01,674
Speaker 2: And also like reading these messages initially, which we had

1039
00:45:01,674 --> 00:45:04,433
Speaker 2: to do because it's our job, but like, I did

1040
00:45:04,474 --> 00:45:07,674
Speaker 2: feel so icky reading the text between Blake and Taylor

1041
00:45:07,754 --> 00:45:10,674
Speaker 2: Moore on Blake's side because those first and she'll text

1042
00:45:10,754 --> 00:45:14,634
Speaker 2: to Taylor is her basically saying that she's so paranoid

1043
00:45:14,674 --> 00:45:17,754
Speaker 2: of her text getting leaked. And then these texts got leaked.

1044
00:45:17,874 --> 00:45:19,514
Speaker 1: Oh I know. And the thing is, if you're this

1045
00:45:19,594 --> 00:45:21,473
Speaker 1: level of famous, when you're involved as something as high

1046
00:45:21,474 --> 00:45:23,594
Speaker 1: stakes as this, sometimes you just have to send the text.

1047
00:45:23,674 --> 00:45:25,234
Speaker 1: But I would be worried that they would be leaked,

1048
00:45:25,274 --> 00:45:27,314
Speaker 1: And now they have been leaked, even though it's through

1049
00:45:27,434 --> 00:45:29,834
Speaker 1: legal standard. So one of the first text messages that

1050
00:45:29,874 --> 00:45:33,354
Speaker 1: comes through is from Taylor Swift to Blake Lively, and

1051
00:45:33,594 --> 00:45:36,594
Speaker 1: in this message, Taylor Swift has taken a screenshot of

1052
00:45:36,634 --> 00:45:39,873
Speaker 1: a People magazine story, Huge day for them, Taylor Swift

1053
00:45:39,914 --> 00:45:41,314
Speaker 1: reads them or it's just the first thing that came

1054
00:45:41,394 --> 00:45:44,194
Speaker 1: up when she googled, which is about Justin Baldoni and

1055
00:45:44,274 --> 00:45:47,954
Speaker 1: the New York Times expose and all of the different

1056
00:45:47,994 --> 00:45:51,594
Speaker 1: fewd things, and across that screenshot, Taylor Swift wrote, I

1057
00:45:51,634 --> 00:45:54,513
Speaker 1: think this bitch knows something is coming because he's got

1058
00:45:54,554 --> 00:45:55,794
Speaker 1: out his tiny violin.

1059
00:45:56,994 --> 00:45:57,714
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1060
00:45:57,794 --> 00:45:59,834
Speaker 1: I mean everything we know about Taylors's lyrics and stuff

1061
00:45:59,874 --> 00:46:01,634
Speaker 1: like this, do one hundred percent believe this is how

1062
00:46:01,674 --> 00:46:02,114
Speaker 1: she talks.

1063
00:46:02,194 --> 00:46:04,393
Speaker 2: I know, and people are now comparing like all her

1064
00:46:04,434 --> 00:46:06,754
Speaker 2: texts to like actual lyrics She's written.

1065
00:46:06,754 --> 00:46:09,674
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah exactly, I mean yeah, I mean the thing

1066
00:46:09,754 --> 00:46:11,154
Speaker 1: is like, that's exactly what I'd say to a friend

1067
00:46:11,154 --> 00:46:12,674
Speaker 1: like this bitch has got down his tiny of island.

1068
00:46:12,754 --> 00:46:12,953
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1069
00:46:12,954 --> 00:46:14,433
Speaker 1: Now he's like, poor me, poor me, got me?

1070
00:46:14,474 --> 00:46:16,314
Speaker 2: Did see someone of the screenshots I send my friends?

1071
00:46:16,354 --> 00:46:18,873
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Someone said, Peana Emily, if you want a

1072
00:46:18,874 --> 00:46:24,114
Speaker 1: good time, and then just don't, and then Blake replies,

1073
00:46:24,234 --> 00:46:26,834
Speaker 1: it rings different when he doesn't end the story by saying,

1074
00:46:27,114 --> 00:46:29,873
Speaker 1: did I always listen when they said no, no, like

1075
00:46:29,954 --> 00:46:32,434
Speaker 1: he did with me, But that must not have tested

1076
00:46:32,474 --> 00:46:34,714
Speaker 1: well in the focus group. And then she said he's

1077
00:46:34,754 --> 00:46:37,874
Speaker 1: also being honored at the Vital Voices for Women event

1078
00:46:37,994 --> 00:46:41,154
Speaker 1: on Monday, and then Taylor Swift messaged back, that is

1079
00:46:41,194 --> 00:46:43,754
Speaker 1: so disgusting and I hate the idea that he's so

1080
00:46:43,954 --> 00:46:47,873
Speaker 1: clever with this shit, to which Blake Lively replied, this

1081
00:46:47,994 --> 00:46:51,714
Speaker 1: inspiring event celebrates men who are using their platforms, influence,

1082
00:46:51,754 --> 00:46:55,034
Speaker 1: and leadership to elevate women, combat gender based violence, and

1083
00:46:55,114 --> 00:46:57,954
Speaker 1: promote gender equality. So talking of this event, I do

1084
00:46:58,074 --> 00:47:00,993
Speaker 1: believe after this, like a lot of events that Justin

1085
00:47:01,034 --> 00:47:02,994
Speaker 1: Baldoni was involved in like this, because that was his

1086
00:47:03,034 --> 00:47:05,714
Speaker 1: persona of like, you know, I'm here for women, I

1087
00:47:05,794 --> 00:47:08,354
Speaker 1: stand there for all these things, Like some events for

1088
00:47:08,434 --> 00:47:11,594
Speaker 1: him were canceled, he was taken off, like different podcasts

1089
00:47:11,634 --> 00:47:13,834
Speaker 1: he was supposed to promote. There was like a big

1090
00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:16,074
Speaker 1: kind of reaction to this at the time. And then

1091
00:47:16,154 --> 00:47:19,514
Speaker 1: also Taylor Swift and Blake Lively went back and forth,

1092
00:47:19,554 --> 00:47:22,314
Speaker 1: like talking about his publicist and the team and the

1093
00:47:22,314 --> 00:47:23,634
Speaker 1: comms person at the studio.

1094
00:47:23,714 --> 00:47:25,954
Speaker 2: Who do they referred because like they say.

1095
00:47:25,914 --> 00:47:28,914
Speaker 1: Jennifer Abel is the woman they refer to, that's his publicist.

1096
00:47:28,914 --> 00:47:31,754
Speaker 1: When they were like yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, who's also

1097
00:47:31,794 --> 00:47:33,594
Speaker 1: been brought into a lot of the legal documents. I

1098
00:47:33,634 --> 00:47:36,474
Speaker 1: believe she parted ways with Justin after this, and also

1099
00:47:36,554 --> 00:47:39,074
Speaker 1: like she's been subpoenaed, so she's like very much in it.

1100
00:47:39,474 --> 00:47:41,873
Speaker 1: And then Taylor Swift comes back after that saying he

1101
00:47:41,914 --> 00:47:44,554
Speaker 1: needs to be beaten by his own words, so like

1102
00:47:44,594 --> 00:47:48,953
Speaker 1: she's like really in Yeah, just a moment for her text,

1103
00:47:50,114 --> 00:47:52,274
Speaker 1: someone put those into a book and release them. So

1104
00:47:52,394 --> 00:47:55,194
Speaker 1: in another message, then Blake Lively writes to Taylor Swift,

1105
00:47:55,234 --> 00:47:57,754
Speaker 1: can you imagine feeling as confident as these predators that

1106
00:47:57,794 --> 00:48:00,154
Speaker 1: you're going to always get away with it? Him accepting

1107
00:48:00,394 --> 00:48:03,154
Speaker 1: an award as an ally for women. And then Taylor

1108
00:48:03,154 --> 00:48:05,154
Speaker 1: Swift comes back and said, it's like a horror film.

1109
00:48:05,194 --> 00:48:08,834
Speaker 1: No one knows it's taking place. So yeah, I mean,

1110
00:48:08,834 --> 00:48:10,433
Speaker 1: I know this might sound like it's like we're kind

1111
00:48:10,434 --> 00:48:14,514
Speaker 1: of like jumping into their personal life when it's not relevant,

1112
00:48:14,514 --> 00:48:16,873
Speaker 1: but it is relevant because this will be helping Blake

1113
00:48:16,914 --> 00:48:20,834
Speaker 1: Lively's team build a case that she was feeling harassed

1114
00:48:20,874 --> 00:48:23,114
Speaker 1: in that because there's evidence of which is always the

1115
00:48:23,114 --> 00:48:25,194
Speaker 1: hardest thing to prove in these things, which is like

1116
00:48:25,314 --> 00:48:27,634
Speaker 1: there's evidence of her reporting it to other people, and

1117
00:48:27,714 --> 00:48:31,034
Speaker 1: like does the timeline of these text messages and her

1118
00:48:31,074 --> 00:48:33,714
Speaker 1: complaints match up with the legal documents and match up

1119
00:48:33,754 --> 00:48:35,674
Speaker 1: with the HR complaint that she put at the time,

1120
00:48:35,794 --> 00:48:38,274
Speaker 1: so like it is relevant in that way. And then

1121
00:48:38,434 --> 00:48:41,834
Speaker 1: in another text message, Blake Lively text to Taylor Swift,

1122
00:48:41,954 --> 00:48:45,394
Speaker 1: and in this it's alleged that Taylor Swift was already

1123
00:48:45,434 --> 00:48:50,274
Speaker 1: on her way to visit Blake and Ryan's house while

1124
00:48:50,474 --> 00:48:53,154
Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni was there, Yeah, and that she was on

1125
00:48:53,194 --> 00:48:55,954
Speaker 1: her way there. So the court documents say she was

1126
00:48:55,994 --> 00:48:58,314
Speaker 1: on her way there to endorse a revised version of

1127
00:48:58,314 --> 00:49:01,634
Speaker 1: the script that Blake was proposing. And also Blake is

1128
00:49:01,674 --> 00:49:03,994
Speaker 1: saying that you don't need to read it first if

1129
00:49:04,034 --> 00:49:04,553
Speaker 1: you don't have.

1130
00:49:04,474 --> 00:49:06,554
Speaker 2: Time, which is really interesting.

1131
00:49:06,754 --> 00:49:09,553
Speaker 1: Yeah, Blake c Lively's deposition, which just keeping in mind,

1132
00:49:09,554 --> 00:49:12,194
Speaker 1: this is a legal document and there's huge ramifications if

1133
00:49:12,194 --> 00:49:14,154
Speaker 1: anyone tells a lie, just so everyone knows what we're

1134
00:49:14,474 --> 00:49:16,314
Speaker 1: The difference between a text message to a friend and

1135
00:49:16,354 --> 00:49:19,754
Speaker 1: a legal deposition In Blake Lively's legal deposition, she said,

1136
00:49:20,034 --> 00:49:22,154
Speaker 1: I sent Taylor the script on her way to my

1137
00:49:22,234 --> 00:49:25,314
Speaker 1: apartment because Justin was still there, and I asked her

1138
00:49:25,314 --> 00:49:27,514
Speaker 1: to read them. I told her she didn't have to.

1139
00:49:27,834 --> 00:49:29,473
Speaker 1: I didn't want her to feel pressure to do that,

1140
00:49:29,554 --> 00:49:30,834
Speaker 1: but I hoped that she would.

1141
00:49:32,474 --> 00:49:37,034
Speaker 2: So she was basically asking Taylor to endorse her script,

1142
00:49:37,074 --> 00:49:38,794
Speaker 2: regardless of what the actual script was.

1143
00:49:38,834 --> 00:49:41,354
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, just being like you're on the way now,

1144
00:49:41,474 --> 00:49:43,554
Speaker 1: paraphrasing what's happened through all these text messages, Blake C.

1145
00:49:43,554 --> 00:49:46,314
Speaker 1: Lively is basically like Justin Baldoni is here. I'm telling

1146
00:49:46,354 --> 00:49:49,514
Speaker 1: him we're using this script. You're coming over now. If

1147
00:49:49,554 --> 00:49:51,354
Speaker 1: you have time to read the script in the car

1148
00:49:51,394 --> 00:49:52,834
Speaker 1: on the way here, please.

1149
00:49:52,594 --> 00:49:55,394
Speaker 2: Do otherwise because I get cassick.

1150
00:49:55,554 --> 00:49:57,114
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I already asked if I ever need you

1151
00:49:57,154 --> 00:50:01,114
Speaker 1: to read an emergency friend down, I'll keep that in mind.

1152
00:50:01,394 --> 00:50:03,594
Speaker 1: But tell us was a better friend than you, because

1153
00:50:03,754 --> 00:50:06,393
Speaker 1: she replied in her text message to Blake Lively, I'll

1154
00:50:06,434 --> 00:50:08,874
Speaker 1: do anything for you, you too exclamation marks.

1155
00:50:10,074 --> 00:50:12,913
Speaker 2: Then I didn't read that as in like she would

1156
00:50:12,994 --> 00:50:15,514
Speaker 2: read the script. I thought I read that as she

1157
00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:17,994
Speaker 2: would just get stand up for her yeah.

1158
00:50:17,834 --> 00:50:19,393
Speaker 1: And I do think is the thing is we still

1159
00:50:19,394 --> 00:50:21,714
Speaker 1: don't know yet because Taylor's suit hasn't been to posed yet,

1160
00:50:22,034 --> 00:50:23,354
Speaker 1: is that we don't know if she actually read the

1161
00:50:23,394 --> 00:50:28,714
Speaker 1: script or not. Will she be potentially yes. And the

1162
00:50:28,754 --> 00:50:31,394
Speaker 1: thing is apparently her team has could be my ears

1163
00:50:31,434 --> 00:50:35,154
Speaker 1: tool that I missed out. Apparently Taylor's this legal team

1164
00:50:35,194 --> 00:50:36,754
Speaker 1: have like they're trying not to for her to get

1165
00:50:36,794 --> 00:50:39,393
Speaker 1: to posed obviously, but saying that if she can, then

1166
00:50:39,434 --> 00:50:41,754
Speaker 1: she can do. These dates is the latest update that

1167
00:50:41,794 --> 00:50:42,074
Speaker 1: we have.

1168
00:50:42,234 --> 00:50:45,194
Speaker 2: The question that I have is that because it's a

1169
00:50:45,354 --> 00:50:49,834
Speaker 2: sexual harassment suit, why would these texts be made public

1170
00:50:50,354 --> 00:50:52,033
Speaker 2: because Blake has talked about him.

1171
00:50:52,114 --> 00:50:54,953
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, this particular case is it's not sealed, it's

1172
00:50:54,954 --> 00:50:57,274
Speaker 1: on the public record. It's like a divorce case going through.

1173
00:50:57,634 --> 00:51:00,034
Speaker 1: Just because it's a sexual harassment case doesn't mean it

1174
00:51:00,154 --> 00:51:02,634
Speaker 1: an harassment workplace case if it's going through like the

1175
00:51:02,714 --> 00:51:05,553
Speaker 1: US legal system and in that like states have different rules,

1176
00:51:05,594 --> 00:51:08,754
Speaker 1: but in this state it's on the public record now. Also,

1177
00:51:08,874 --> 00:51:11,794
Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni has been releasing everything on that website he

1178
00:51:11,794 --> 00:51:14,074
Speaker 1: made about Blake Lively. A lot of this isn't great

1179
00:51:14,074 --> 00:51:15,754
Speaker 1: for him, So I'm not sure if he's going to

1180
00:51:15,794 --> 00:51:17,954
Speaker 1: stay with that tact. But it's like how we know

1181
00:51:18,034 --> 00:51:20,953
Speaker 1: about celebrity divorce settlements and who gets what and what

1182
00:51:21,034 --> 00:51:22,474
Speaker 1: they say and all that sort of stuff is like

1183
00:51:22,514 --> 00:51:25,594
Speaker 1: once it goes into the legal system in these cases,

1184
00:51:25,634 --> 00:51:28,754
Speaker 1: it can be on the public record. Yeah, so the

1185
00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:31,393
Speaker 1: whole thing, which we know justin Baldoni talked to his

1186
00:51:31,434 --> 00:51:33,994
Speaker 1: group because those text messages were revealed afterwards, where he

1187
00:51:33,994 --> 00:51:36,874
Speaker 1: said he went in and felt completely ambushed by Blake

1188
00:51:36,994 --> 00:51:39,634
Speaker 1: and Ryan. He talks about Taylor Swift being there. He

1189
00:51:39,674 --> 00:51:42,154
Speaker 1: talked about just being yelled at and spoken to in

1190
00:51:42,154 --> 00:51:44,473
Speaker 1: a terrible way by Ryan in particular, and he didn't

1191
00:51:44,474 --> 00:51:46,074
Speaker 1: know how to handle it. He just shut down. So

1192
00:51:46,074 --> 00:51:49,234
Speaker 1: that was his retelling of the events in these messages.

1193
00:51:49,634 --> 00:51:53,274
Speaker 1: Blake Lively texted Taylor Swift after this event and said

1194
00:51:53,674 --> 00:51:56,714
Speaker 1: you were so epically heroic today and that she had

1195
00:51:56,794 --> 00:52:00,194
Speaker 1: recapped every moment again and again to Reynolds.

1196
00:51:59,874 --> 00:52:02,514
Speaker 2: Which makes me go the room.

1197
00:52:02,754 --> 00:52:04,393
Speaker 1: But he was there for the night, so maybe he

1198
00:52:04,474 --> 00:52:06,194
Speaker 1: went out of the room at that stage, or maybe

1199
00:52:06,274 --> 00:52:09,234
Speaker 1: she's just maying, like talking about it. Then she goes

1200
00:52:09,234 --> 00:52:11,914
Speaker 1: on to say in this text message, I kept remembering

1201
00:52:11,954 --> 00:52:15,634
Speaker 1: stuff you making up shit about me and lenses. So

1202
00:52:15,674 --> 00:52:19,194
Speaker 1: what well, camera lenses? So what it's saying from these

1203
00:52:19,234 --> 00:52:20,314
Speaker 1: text messages.

1204
00:52:20,594 --> 00:52:24,834
Speaker 2: Like that she wears contact specsavors.

1205
00:52:24,074 --> 00:52:25,034
Speaker 1: Your smart two friends.

1206
00:52:25,154 --> 00:52:29,234
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't understand anything that's.

1207
00:52:30,794 --> 00:52:33,674
Speaker 1: Yeah, Can I please be present a good time? If

1208
00:52:33,754 --> 00:52:35,594
Speaker 1: you ever get deposed? Can I please be present? I

1209
00:52:35,634 --> 00:52:37,754
Speaker 1: think you did a parent and it's me. If everyone

1210
00:52:37,794 --> 00:52:40,674
Speaker 1: can't be there, it's going to be me. I be like, no, don't.

1211
00:52:40,794 --> 00:52:44,034
Speaker 1: She doesn't understand the question. I'll go a differently. You

1212
00:52:44,074 --> 00:52:46,554
Speaker 1: incriminate yourself just by being confused lenses.

1213
00:52:46,634 --> 00:52:48,194
Speaker 2: That makes sense, camera lens.

1214
00:52:48,594 --> 00:52:49,954
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was going to be the big

1215
00:52:50,354 --> 00:52:52,474
Speaker 1: drop Mike boment here, but here we go. This is

1216
00:52:52,514 --> 00:52:54,594
Speaker 1: Blake Lively texting Taylor Swift. I'm trying to keep it

1217
00:52:54,594 --> 00:52:56,234
Speaker 1: all quick, ye because I know we're giving people.

1218
00:52:56,274 --> 00:52:58,274
Speaker 2: So these are the text that happened after Taylor left.

1219
00:52:58,314 --> 00:53:00,354
Speaker 2: I'm assuming Justin's left, and now they're just like.

1220
00:53:00,314 --> 00:53:02,873
Speaker 1: This is the debrief text. Later on, so Blake said,

1221
00:53:02,914 --> 00:53:05,393
Speaker 1: I kept remembering stuff you making ship up about me

1222
00:53:05,474 --> 00:53:09,194
Speaker 1: and lenses, you referring to yourself as my doll. This

1223
00:53:09,354 --> 00:53:12,794
Speaker 1: clown falling for all of it, but also resisting it.

1224
00:53:13,034 --> 00:53:15,154
Speaker 1: You are the world's greatest friend.

1225
00:53:14,914 --> 00:53:17,554
Speaker 2: Ever, Taylor stop looks great and all of this.

1226
00:53:17,954 --> 00:53:20,474
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's coming she's coming off great, isn't it. Well,

1227
00:53:20,714 --> 00:53:22,594
Speaker 1: she's coming off great, except for the context of like

1228
00:53:22,914 --> 00:53:26,354
Speaker 1: these text messages are alluding to the fact that they

1229
00:53:26,394 --> 00:53:29,194
Speaker 1: basically lie. They lie. They lied to just to get

1230
00:53:29,234 --> 00:53:32,594
Speaker 1: her straight, justin Baldoni in a room and then lied

1231
00:53:32,634 --> 00:53:39,274
Speaker 1: to him. And now they're laughing about Haha, they're just girls.

1232
00:53:39,314 --> 00:53:42,274
Speaker 1: That is some girl, that's gold. Get that man in

1233
00:53:42,314 --> 00:53:45,274
Speaker 1: a room, spin some lines about camera lenses and call

1234
00:53:45,354 --> 00:53:47,794
Speaker 1: it a day. Okay, it's not funny.

1235
00:53:47,834 --> 00:53:50,154
Speaker 2: It's not funny. It's actually not funny.

1236
00:53:50,394 --> 00:53:52,754
Speaker 1: Some of these parts are just about a power struggle

1237
00:53:53,074 --> 00:53:57,754
Speaker 1: between a very famous A list actress with a very

1238
00:53:57,794 --> 00:54:00,473
Speaker 1: famous network of friends and a lot of money, and

1239
00:54:00,954 --> 00:54:05,314
Speaker 1: between also famous but less resourced man but who also

1240
00:54:05,394 --> 00:54:07,754
Speaker 1: has all this privilege and fame and everything. So that

1241
00:54:07,914 --> 00:54:10,554
Speaker 1: part of it is funny and interesting to me, and

1242
00:54:10,594 --> 00:54:13,314
Speaker 1: I hold that separate in my head from the sexual harassment,

1243
00:54:13,394 --> 00:54:18,473
Speaker 1: onset harassment, body image, body shaming, inappropriate behavior, because even

1244
00:54:18,514 --> 00:54:20,634
Speaker 1: though they're all intertwined, they are kind of like two

1245
00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:21,634
Speaker 1: separate complaints.

1246
00:54:21,634 --> 00:54:23,954
Speaker 2: Like in so wild that it's happening at kind of

1247
00:54:23,994 --> 00:54:28,674
Speaker 2: the same time because reading the depositions from Jenny Slat

1248
00:54:28,874 --> 00:54:33,714
Speaker 2: and Isabella like that in my head is like so bad. Yeah,

1249
00:54:33,794 --> 00:54:36,034
Speaker 2: it almost makes me sick, Like reading some of the

1250
00:54:36,074 --> 00:54:38,674
Speaker 2: stuff that they were saying that he was doing and

1251
00:54:38,714 --> 00:54:42,433
Speaker 2: then having this side with the celebrities and like them endorsing.

1252
00:54:42,954 --> 00:54:45,194
Speaker 2: It's annoying that they're like having to because I feel

1253
00:54:45,194 --> 00:54:46,794
Speaker 2: like it dilutes the victim Stea.

1254
00:54:47,234 --> 00:54:50,074
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's really hinging, which I understand everyone's hinging on,

1255
00:54:50,194 --> 00:54:53,433
Speaker 1: like the spiciness of having these celeb text messages and

1256
00:54:53,474 --> 00:54:55,954
Speaker 1: email with this world we would never normally get to see,

1257
00:54:56,114 --> 00:54:58,834
Speaker 1: having this made public and getting this insight and again,

1258
00:54:59,034 --> 00:55:01,474
Speaker 1: that's such a juicy, kind of almost fun story for

1259
00:55:01,554 --> 00:55:03,954
Speaker 1: us to wade into if it was just about a

1260
00:55:03,994 --> 00:55:06,913
Speaker 1: bunch of rich celebs fighting over a movie script. And

1261
00:55:07,434 --> 00:55:09,594
Speaker 1: I understand why that's what's picked up traction. That's why

1262
00:55:09,674 --> 00:55:11,593
Speaker 1: everyone wants like a hero and a villain, and why

1263
00:55:11,634 --> 00:55:15,234
Speaker 1: it's kind of easier to villainize Blake Lively in that

1264
00:55:15,314 --> 00:55:17,514
Speaker 1: way because it does look like the power is on

1265
00:55:17,554 --> 00:55:21,114
Speaker 1: her side and there's text messages where she's laughing about

1266
00:55:21,114 --> 00:55:23,594
Speaker 1: like tricking him essentially in all these things. But the

1267
00:55:23,634 --> 00:55:27,794
Speaker 1: more serious side, the actual legal complaint is about harassment

1268
00:55:27,794 --> 00:55:31,634
Speaker 1: on set, an unsafe work environment, sexual harassment, all of

1269
00:55:31,674 --> 00:55:34,194
Speaker 1: these things, and that's obviously like very very very serious,

1270
00:55:34,674 --> 00:55:37,474
Speaker 1: but obviously that's not what's making headlines. But then we

1271
00:55:37,514 --> 00:55:39,994
Speaker 1: get something else from the Taylor Swift and Blake Lively

1272
00:55:40,394 --> 00:55:43,874
Speaker 1: text messages, which is, I do feel for them because

1273
00:55:43,914 --> 00:55:46,994
Speaker 1: this is such a personal message and the thought of

1274
00:55:47,034 --> 00:55:49,594
Speaker 1: like having one of your personal messages between you and

1275
00:55:49,674 --> 00:55:51,794
Speaker 1: your best friends, whether your famous not leaked, is just

1276
00:55:51,834 --> 00:55:52,394
Speaker 1: like kind.

1277
00:55:52,274 --> 00:55:54,114
Speaker 2: Of message where like I feel like a lot of

1278
00:55:54,114 --> 00:55:55,994
Speaker 2: women would have sent this message in their life.

1279
00:55:56,034 --> 00:55:57,034
Speaker 1: Oh and it's one of.

1280
00:55:56,954 --> 00:56:00,873
Speaker 2: Those messages where you treat it more carefully than a

1281
00:56:00,914 --> 00:56:04,794
Speaker 2: message you would send any partner, any like lover, any

1282
00:56:04,994 --> 00:56:08,274
Speaker 2: like boyfriend or girlfriend. And I've sent one of these

1283
00:56:08,274 --> 00:56:10,993
Speaker 2: messages and I've like written it in my note SAP,

1284
00:56:11,114 --> 00:56:13,873
Speaker 2: I've edited it, I've re edited it, I've looked over it,

1285
00:56:13,914 --> 00:56:16,194
Speaker 2: I've slept on it, and then sending it has been

1286
00:56:16,274 --> 00:56:20,554
Speaker 2: like the most anxiety inducing experience. And now I'm assuming

1287
00:56:20,634 --> 00:56:22,794
Speaker 2: the exact same thing happened with Blake sending that initial

1288
00:56:22,834 --> 00:56:26,034
Speaker 2: message and Taylor Swift's reply, and the whole world has

1289
00:56:26,074 --> 00:56:26,433
Speaker 2: read it.

1290
00:56:26,514 --> 00:56:29,433
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely so. In the lead to this message, we

1291
00:56:29,434 --> 00:56:31,714
Speaker 1: don't know what the messages that led into it exactly were,

1292
00:56:31,754 --> 00:56:33,714
Speaker 1: but we're led to believe that there has been a

1293
00:56:33,714 --> 00:56:35,994
Speaker 1: period of time where Taylor Swift and Blake Lively have

1294
00:56:36,114 --> 00:56:37,594
Speaker 1: not spoken and things have been well.

1295
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Speaker 2: Their friendship has changed.

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Speaker 1: Has been very strange between them because in this text

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Speaker 1: message to Taylor Swift, Blake Lively writes, Hey, just checking in.

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Speaker 1: I have no reason to ask, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I should and it's dot dot dot

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Speaker 1: is everything? Okay. I feel like a bad friend lately

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Speaker 1: because I've such a sad sack who only talked about

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Speaker 1: my own shit for months. You were generous not only

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00:56:57,594 --> 00:56:59,554
Speaker 1: to be the key person there for me during all

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Speaker 1: of it, but also to let me off the hook

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Speaker 1: for being so into it. But I still have a

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00:57:03,954 --> 00:57:07,234
Speaker 1: feeling something may not be right. I told Ryan, he

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00:57:07,314 --> 00:57:09,834
Speaker 1: said to just ask you, but I felt so stupid,

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00:57:10,114 --> 00:57:13,154
Speaker 1: like it sounded needy and awkward for everyone, especially because

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Speaker 1: I can't explain why I have this feeling, and you

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Speaker 1: know I have toxic masculinity, so I can't be needy,

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Speaker 1: but also I do want to know everything is good,

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Speaker 1: So I'm just asking. I always want the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: be a better friend if there's something unintentionally that I did.

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Speaker 1: I know how busy and text you are physically, emotionally, practically,

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Speaker 1: so I don't expect any more from you, ever, just

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Speaker 1: to make sure all is good hard. So obviously she's

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00:57:38,394 --> 00:57:41,474
Speaker 1: I feel dirty knowing this, I know. But also then

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Speaker 1: Taylor's reply we have, so I'll just read that out

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Speaker 1: I get. I'm giving a lot of grace to both

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Speaker 1: of these women. I'm giving a lot of grace to

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00:57:48,914 --> 00:57:52,514
Speaker 1: them because they've both been through these huge public because

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00:57:52,514 --> 00:57:54,914
Speaker 1: taylor'sed to her whole public breakup and everything like that,

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Speaker 1: and also she's on the ras to U now from

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Speaker 1: the timing of these messages.

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Speaker 2: Like during the timing of this message, she was getting

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Speaker 2: ready for like literally her Vancouver set, which was a

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Speaker 2: last ever yeah, like of her whole tour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously she's like with Travis now, so that

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00:58:07,314 --> 00:58:10,154
Speaker 1: wonderful and stuff. But she's been through a huge thing,

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00:58:10,394 --> 00:58:12,674
Speaker 1: not just the errors tour, but having two breakups for

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00:58:12,834 --> 00:58:14,634
Speaker 1: she was on it and not being such public fodder

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Speaker 1: and also the terrorist attack on her concerts and all

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00:58:18,154 --> 00:58:19,794
Speaker 1: these things, as well as being the most famous one

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00:58:19,834 --> 00:58:22,274
Speaker 1: in the world. And then Blake's been like publicly canceled.

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00:58:22,274 --> 00:58:24,034
Speaker 1: She's had the worst few years of her life. So

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00:58:24,514 --> 00:58:27,154
Speaker 1: and now they're in this difficult friendship situation. So I

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00:58:27,154 --> 00:58:28,794
Speaker 1: give both These were a lot of grace reading this.

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00:58:28,874 --> 00:58:31,034
Speaker 1: But then Taylor Siff came back with her text message

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00:58:31,074 --> 00:58:33,754
Speaker 1: to Blake Lively and she said, no, you're not wrong,

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00:58:33,834 --> 00:58:35,874
Speaker 1: but it's also not a big deal. I think I'm

1341
00:58:35,914 --> 00:58:38,234
Speaker 1: just exhausted in every avenue of my life, and in

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00:58:38,274 --> 00:58:40,154
Speaker 1: recent months I have been feeling a little bit of

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00:58:40,154 --> 00:58:42,314
Speaker 1: a shift in the way you talk to me. Yes,

1344
00:58:42,354 --> 00:58:44,234
Speaker 1: there has been a lot of the Justine stuff, but

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00:58:44,274 --> 00:58:46,914
Speaker 1: I've just been through things like this before, and I

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00:58:46,994 --> 00:58:49,634
Speaker 1: know how all consuming it is. So she obviously has

1347
00:58:49,754 --> 00:58:51,634
Speaker 1: been through similar things. I mean, there's not just the

1348
00:58:51,714 --> 00:58:53,994
Speaker 1: DJ that she had sued, but obviously she's you know,

1349
00:58:54,114 --> 00:58:57,074
Speaker 1: for touching her inappropriately in that big story, but also

1350
00:58:57,114 --> 00:58:59,714
Speaker 1: the Scooter Braun stuff and other things. So and also

1351
00:58:59,754 --> 00:59:02,434
Speaker 1: the Kim and Karne Like if they're talking about public cancelations.

1352
00:59:02,434 --> 00:59:04,554
Speaker 1: So when Taylor Sif says I've been through this before,

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00:59:04,594 --> 00:59:07,474
Speaker 1: I know how all consuming it is. That's true, and

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00:59:07,514 --> 00:59:09,314
Speaker 1: then she goes on to say, but it's more like,

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00:59:09,754 --> 00:59:12,354
Speaker 1: and I really feel bad saying anything about this because

1356
00:59:12,354 --> 00:59:14,914
Speaker 1: your texts have been so nice in their intent, but

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00:59:15,034 --> 00:59:17,514
Speaker 1: your last few text messages it's felt like I was

1358
00:59:17,554 --> 00:59:20,914
Speaker 1: reading a mass corporate email sent to two hundred employees.

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00:59:21,314 --> 00:59:24,034
Speaker 1: You said the word we like eighteen times. And it

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00:59:24,074 --> 00:59:26,314
Speaker 1: feels awful to be in any way critical of any

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00:59:26,354 --> 00:59:28,634
Speaker 1: of the processes of what you've been going through. But

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00:59:28,674 --> 00:59:31,874
Speaker 1: I just kind of miss my funny, dark, normal speaking

1363
00:59:31,914 --> 00:59:34,554
Speaker 1: friend who talks to me as herself, not like that

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00:59:35,034 --> 00:59:37,874
Speaker 1: a plural unit when it's a group I'm hearing from.

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00:59:37,914 --> 00:59:40,834
Speaker 1: I feel distanced from you even more than we are geographically,

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00:59:41,114 --> 00:59:43,274
Speaker 1: and I know you feel attacked from all sides for

1367
00:59:43,394 --> 00:59:45,874
Speaker 1: ridiculous reasons. So you're feeling like you have to overly

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00:59:45,914 --> 00:59:49,554
Speaker 1: explain or be nice or whatever. But it's me exclamation

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00:59:49,634 --> 00:59:52,794
Speaker 1: mark that's just caused a little distance, and you don't

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00:59:52,794 --> 00:59:54,794
Speaker 1: need to apologize, Just come back, please.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I think a lot of people are

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00:59:58,874 --> 01:00:01,314
Speaker 1: really like this is the sign that they're not friends.

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01:00:01,354 --> 01:00:03,714
Speaker 1: This is a sign their friendship is broken down. And

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Speaker 1: I think we wouldn't get that information unless we had

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01:00:05,874 --> 01:00:08,234
Speaker 1: the other text messages or co versations that follow this.

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01:00:08,834 --> 01:00:11,314
Speaker 1: But it is interesting that Taylor Swift, who was all

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01:00:11,354 --> 01:00:14,314
Speaker 1: in on this whole situation with the filmmaking Justin Baldoni

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01:00:14,314 --> 01:00:16,434
Speaker 1: and the scripts and like we'll lie about this and

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01:00:16,474 --> 01:00:19,034
Speaker 1: we'll do that, is now saying to her friend like

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01:00:19,154 --> 01:00:23,114
Speaker 1: she's just shutting down because she's feeling like she's too

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01:00:23,154 --> 01:00:25,874
Speaker 1: involved in like the corporation that is the Blake Clive

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01:00:25,994 --> 01:00:29,594
Speaker 1: Lebashene at the moment and can't take part in it anymore.

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01:00:29,834 --> 01:00:33,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is kind of a fair statement. Yeah, But

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01:00:33,154 --> 01:00:35,994
Speaker 2: like it's just those kind of text messages between friends

1386
01:00:35,994 --> 01:00:39,593
Speaker 2: are so interesting because you think like airing everything out.

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01:00:40,114 --> 01:00:42,554
Speaker 2: Even Blake Liley's reply was kind of like tongue in cheek,

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01:00:42,674 --> 01:00:45,994
Speaker 2: like saying, hey from the Blake Lily Corporation, but like

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01:00:46,034 --> 01:00:48,194
Speaker 2: you don't know, like you actually don't know, Like some

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01:00:48,234 --> 01:00:50,314
Speaker 2: of those text mesages, sometimes you need to air everything

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01:00:50,314 --> 01:00:52,634
Speaker 2: out and it doesn't necessarily mean like everything will go

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01:00:52,674 --> 01:00:54,754
Speaker 2: back to the way it was, yeah, because how could it,

1393
01:00:54,794 --> 01:00:57,034
Speaker 2: Like this case is still going on, Like I don't

1394
01:00:57,034 --> 01:00:58,874
Speaker 2: think it could ever go back to the way it

1395
01:00:58,994 --> 01:01:01,434
Speaker 2: was until this whole thing has blown over. Yeah, and

1396
01:01:01,634 --> 01:01:03,634
Speaker 2: even then we won't know the results from it. And

1397
01:01:03,674 --> 01:01:07,634
Speaker 2: like how damaging that can be mentally and physically to Lively.

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01:01:07,874 --> 01:01:10,114
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I do see in a way like

1399
01:01:10,114 --> 01:01:12,274
Speaker 1: people are kind of framing this as like the Taylor

1400
01:01:12,314 --> 01:01:15,474
Speaker 1: Swift message to Blake Lively that ended their friendship. I

1401
01:01:15,514 --> 01:01:17,834
Speaker 1: don't know if it's quite anything like that. We obviously

1402
01:01:17,834 --> 01:01:20,074
Speaker 1: don't know Blake's reaction if she came back and was like,

1403
01:01:20,794 --> 01:01:22,434
Speaker 1: I can't believe you said that to me, you know,

1404
01:01:22,634 --> 01:01:24,834
Speaker 1: going through all this, we don't have those texts or information.

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01:01:25,314 --> 01:01:27,874
Speaker 1: Neither of them have commented or anything like that. Maybe

1406
01:01:28,074 --> 01:01:30,794
Speaker 1: when Taylor Swift is deposed, more information will come out,

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01:01:30,874 --> 01:01:33,994
Speaker 1: or next time Blake Lively speaks. But it's fair to

1408
01:01:34,034 --> 01:01:36,114
Speaker 1: say that like this has been like a catalyst that

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01:01:36,154 --> 01:01:38,834
Speaker 1: has changed their friendship. Yeah, because their friendship was so

1410
01:01:38,874 --> 01:01:40,994
Speaker 1: public facing and then it's changed and now we have

1411
01:01:41,034 --> 01:01:44,194
Speaker 1: a message explaining it all. So that's just one of

1412
01:01:44,194 --> 01:01:47,434
Speaker 1: the very first rounds of the depositions and the legal

1413
01:01:47,514 --> 01:01:49,674
Speaker 1: letters and everything that has come from this court case.

1414
01:01:49,714 --> 01:01:51,594
Speaker 1: There's a lot more to come yet. We're not even

1415
01:01:51,674 --> 01:01:54,474
Speaker 1: at like the full trial stage yet, So there's a

1416
01:01:54,474 --> 01:01:57,594
Speaker 1: lot more to come, but yeah, it's kind of I

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01:01:57,594 --> 01:02:00,354
Speaker 1: guess it's kind of changed how we see the conversation

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01:02:00,554 --> 01:02:03,994
Speaker 1: to an extent. So we'll bring you the next next

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01:02:04,034 --> 01:02:08,034
Speaker 1: time there's an email, Leako deposition, bring you that information.

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01:02:08,194 --> 01:02:10,914
Speaker 2: I want more Lucy Damon please, Yeah.

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01:02:10,754 --> 01:02:12,794
Speaker 1: Let's see what Lucy has to say. I'm interested.

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