WEBVTT - A (Not So) Practical Guide To Toilet Training

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<v Speaker 1>We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>on today.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been singing to rue Party, Party, Party, Party, Party, Party,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking I'm an absolute lunatic, but you've just made me

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<v Speaker 2>feel like an absolute genius.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, and welcome to eat, sleep, shit Repeat. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the Unhinged Podcast, all about the madness that is motherhood

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<v Speaker 3>and everything in between. I'm Kelly mccaren and I'm Key

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<v Speaker 3>re cels And in case you missed it, last week,

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<v Speaker 3>we kicked off season four with Kell sharing her experience

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<v Speaker 3>with Lynn as a newborn. We talked about the difference

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<v Speaker 3>between a crying baby and one that never stops, and

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<v Speaker 3>knowing when to advocate for your baby.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, we are finally talking about party training. Thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>because I have been begging yay Kelly McCarran to do this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been begging you wear this for months and you'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather bury your head in the sand than spend three

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<v Speaker 1>days at home picking up poos and weez Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely right? I just I don't care. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>chatting through all of the trends in the shitter, responses

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<v Speaker 1>on their potty training experiences and a big thank you

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<v Speaker 1>to those who responded because it was so helpful. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even kidding. I have gone and purchased a few

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that they recommended.

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<v Speaker 3>Key froths on this sort of stuff too, like just

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<v Speaker 3>that fucking love getting in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Helpful, mumshit, helpful, Mumshit's my jam girlfriend. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>chat to our shitter, Sarah, who has over ten years

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<v Speaker 1>experience in early childhood working with many many families to

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<v Speaker 1>help support the process of toilet training. She's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be showing her advice, her tips, her tricks to help

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<v Speaker 1>us get through this shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, oh god botom shee wow dad joke over here,

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<v Speaker 3>All right, over to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Kel four Peak and pittance you this week.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, indeed, and they're sort of tied in together.

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<v Speaker 3>Peak was a really bloody good weekend. On Friday night,

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<v Speaker 3>my sister and I took Mum to see and Juliette,

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<v Speaker 3>I really want to see this. It was my second

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<v Speaker 3>time Key and you know that I'm not a musical person,

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<v Speaker 3>That's how much.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it. Shocking, but the music's so good, right

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like our era of music.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even the music like to be honest. I

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<v Speaker 3>do still get sick of the singing. I just can't

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<v Speaker 3>sit still and listen to people fucking sing for that long.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so good. I love it. All the characters

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<v Speaker 1>are so good. Okay, I love Doug. Are they paying

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<v Speaker 1>you for this plug?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone should go and see Ajuliet while it's still in

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney because it'll be moving somewhere next I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if it's going to Melbourne or shows. Go to Brisbane,

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<v Speaker 3>agam on, go on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, we've got stuff. Okay, we're actually quite

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<v Speaker 1>cool anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So Friday night was and Juliet, and then because Mum

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<v Speaker 3>was in Sydney, she was looking after lenn on Saturdays.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like so and like as in help.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally we had our third night away from Lenny since

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<v Speaker 3>he was born.

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<v Speaker 1>That is grim. It's grim.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of those times it was for Luke's dad funerals.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't really count. So second time, whoo. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>we could go to our beautiful friend's wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who does love a wedding? Luke Lou that man.

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<v Speaker 1>He loves an event. Yeah, he loves an event.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the first one on the dance floor at a

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<v Speaker 3>wedding absolutely froths it. So that was really fun, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was just nice. It was just a really great weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>And Lenny obviously had so much fun staying with his nan,

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<v Speaker 3>having a slumber party at cousin's house, so cute. So

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<v Speaker 3>my pit is so grim. I've lost my piss fitness.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Kelly, for fuck's sake, I thought it was something serious.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you can you something serious?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I thought it was something like call the ambilarious

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<v Speaker 1>wheel Wheel.

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<v Speaker 3>We've I worked so hard to get as fit as

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<v Speaker 3>I was for my alcoholic consumption, consumption, enjoyment, and it

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<v Speaker 3>is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not sad. It's lovely to be a cheap day.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to drink not you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>drink as much to get the same buzz I like drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Just drink soda water and pretend it's a buddy. It's boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm actually so upset about this. Oh God,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still recovering from the fact that it's not something

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<v Speaker 1>more serious.

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<v Speaker 3>You're serious. I didn't even lose it through pregnancy. My

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<v Speaker 3>first night out post.

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<v Speaker 1>We just clarify you weren't drinking. I had a glass

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<v Speaker 1>here all there. Yeah, but you won't like absolutely not clarify.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's what I mean. Like I didn't even lose it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like my first night out, I was still the last

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<v Speaker 3>person standing. Yeah, one of the last people standing. Wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>that bad? The next day, like I had my fitness

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<v Speaker 3>go girl, it is gone?

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<v Speaker 4>Where did it go?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I cut back.

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<v Speaker 3>My doctor told me in order for one of my

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<v Speaker 3>medications to work, I had to cut back because alcohore

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<v Speaker 3>really affects him. Yeah, okay, so about seven months ago

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<v Speaker 3>I cut back, and I cut back a lot, Like

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<v Speaker 3>my face got so less puffy and people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you've lost weight. I'm like, no, I really didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Just yeah, don't have a puffy face. And if I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't realize how bad it was anyway, So I cut

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<v Speaker 3>back about seven months ago. I still drink, but nothing

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<v Speaker 3>like what I was before. I never had a problem,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was drinking a lot. Yeah always, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>really enjoyed a.

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<v Speaker 1>Tipple or two. Ten.

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<v Speaker 3>I now get drunk really easily, and I get horrible hangovers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>half a bottle of wine and I feel cranky all

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<v Speaker 3>day the next day and I feel tired. So it's awful. Key, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what I'm saying. It's a horrible pit. Just

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<v Speaker 3>spent thirty five years or have long. I've been drinking

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<v Speaker 3>since out of the woom, working on my fitness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>to live up to my idol Paris Hilton the party girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Now gone, gone gone, God.

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<v Speaker 3>Next minute, I'm going to be a bloody wellness influenza.

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<v Speaker 3>Last week I talked about my crystals, be making green

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<v Speaker 3>smoothies and going for jogs soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the job, not the jogs.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how I feel about people who run where

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<v Speaker 3>itose you used to run every day?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway? That was my peek and pitch. Well, thanks, but

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<v Speaker 1>can you please just don't scare me next time?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Today is a good day, finally getting my way on

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<v Speaker 1>this bloody podcast training Kelly, I just want to know,

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, why were you so against this topic?

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<v Speaker 1>What is actually the issue here? Because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people requested this.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, even though this is a parenting and lifestyle podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care about a lot of parenting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't care about not having to wipe his ass? No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I really really don't. I reckon you're the first

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<v Speaker 1>parent ever.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't care, and it just seems like a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of work, and I know that makes me sound

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly lazy. I also just like, oh, we got overcomplic it,

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<v Speaker 3>like when he wants to shit on the toilet, he will. However,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always very pleased for people when they're like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, like when you're like, oh, Ruth basically potty trained.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never said that I go before too. Okay, look

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<v Speaker 1>the records set. I never frecking said that. Well she

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<v Speaker 1>was though, so a little bit. Okay, well that's fair,

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<v Speaker 1>but can you please feign interest for the next forty

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested, excellent, No, I'm very excited to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah because she's an expert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's fab. So I thought it might be a

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<v Speaker 1>good spot to kick off the episode with where we're

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<v Speaker 1>currently at with our kids, and someone's si, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you have you attempted any form of potty training at all?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he started showing interest at Christmas time?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what were the signs?

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<v Speaker 3>So he was often without an happy because we're in

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<v Speaker 3>the pool summer summer. Yeah, and he was always very

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<v Speaker 3>conscious of needing to wee, So he'd look at me

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<v Speaker 3>and be like wee wee yeah, and holding his duty,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd be like, hey, go over to the grass.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd go over to the lovely do a wee yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he also get very embarrassed and upset if

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<v Speaker 3>he did it on the floor, But I was like, bro,

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<v Speaker 3>who cares, It's just a wee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So my sister in law bought him as part of

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<v Speaker 3>his birthday present one of those potty training books with

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<v Speaker 3>the charts.

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<v Speaker 1>And everything else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, never opened it, of course, And I went to

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<v Speaker 3>Kmart got the potty. My sister already had the little seat, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>resting on the covered in dust, yeah, resting on the

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<v Speaker 3>wall of the toilet, caring. Oh yeah, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>done anything. He sits on it like I'll offer it up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I say, would you like to use the potty? And

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<v Speaker 3>he likes to sit on it without pants yep, and

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<v Speaker 3>just chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Has he done anything in it?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, okay, so that's where we're at. But he

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<v Speaker 1>likes to sit on it.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, in terms of encouraging it, he's very aware,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he knows when he's doing a pooh, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he laughs and giggles if he's doing a wei in

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<v Speaker 3>the bath, so I know that he's ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's me being lazy. You both have to be ready.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the shit have said that makes sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're both ready.

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to know what you did, because you

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<v Speaker 3>did it very quickly and pretty seamlessly with rue, whereas

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<v Speaker 3>I know so many people it's like years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing is I didn't want to rush it. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really on my radar of things. I haven't read

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<v Speaker 1>one thing about how to do.

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<v Speaker 3>It, and she wasn't even two. Can we just clarify again?

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<v Speaker 4>So around the super mom, super rude Sony will be

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<v Speaker 4>three and I still wouldn't have in for us the putty.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh one other thing no one in his class is. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not even as finine. It's fine, there's no

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<v Speaker 3>right or wrong. Every kid is different.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably don't want to be wearing nappies in high school?

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean that's a different thing, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was around maybe the thirteen month mark, around

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<v Speaker 1>even when she was one ish, like twelve thirteen month mark.

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<v Speaker 1>She was super interested whenever we were on the toilet, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing looking in that poo pooh pooh,

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<v Speaker 1>poo pool. Do she find it really funny? So funny

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<v Speaker 1>and she wants to see it anyway, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get too graphic. I was like, I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>to buy her a potty. I'm not going to force

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<v Speaker 1>her to do anything, but I'm just going to have

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<v Speaker 1>it next to our toilets. So when we're sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>it and she's showing interest, I'm just like, hey, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you sit on your potty and just like see

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<v Speaker 1>if anything happens. Question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're both home, do you leave the door open?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank god some people do well? No, no, no, we're

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<v Speaker 1>shutting it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't shut it for a wi I don't even

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<v Speaker 3>shut it for a week when you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I sit to do wiez obviously, but like, how

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<v Speaker 1>long does it take?

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<v Speaker 3>It takes a long time for a kid to get

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<v Speaker 3>out of then happy all over the ladies, I'd see lazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So this is over summer and she's naked all

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<v Speaker 1>the time at home, right, So she would just sit

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and then one day she just started winging

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Oh my god, little baby genius, rude. And

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<v Speaker 1>then one day she did a pooh and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>without being bribed, no bribery, I haven't never heard of

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<v Speaker 1>a child.

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<v Speaker 3>I think some kids just do it, just do it right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then kids that are really potty trained, like they

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<v Speaker 3>still often for a very long time wait to pooh

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<v Speaker 3>when they have a nappy on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well this is the thing, right, is that, like

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<v Speaker 1>I have changed. I can count on one hand huey

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<v Speaker 1>nappies in the last six months. Like the first one

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<v Speaker 1>was the other day when we were out and I

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<v Speaker 1>was on the phone and the girls were watching her

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<v Speaker 1>and she was telling them poo poo, poo pooh. But

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, well, I don't know what to do

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<v Speaker 1>because they're not up to that yet, one of them is.

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<v Speaker 1>But she was also like, I don't know what to do,

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<v Speaker 1>So she poohed in r nappy and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>first one I've done all year.

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<v Speaker 3>People that get smug about that, though you're not a smug,

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<v Speaker 3>but they'll say, oh, when you not want to change

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<v Speaker 3>a dirty nappy, what is the difference between wiping a

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<v Speaker 3>dirty ass?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's the same, Like it's just as gross. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a bit less a teeny bit less, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, right, So isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It hard with a little girl? Like do you have

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<v Speaker 3>to get it a proper leg up?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just make I just make her put her

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<v Speaker 1>forearms on the toilet and like pop out her buck,

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<v Speaker 1>but she hates it. It's actually quite annoying. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing we struggled with the most with was wheeze, which

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard of from anyone. Like, well, she started

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<v Speaker 1>to regularly in the potty and I'm like, okay, cool

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<v Speaker 1>when she was doing wheeze and stuff. So then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, all right, cool, let's try undies. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was right at the time where she thought it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>to piss everywhere. So that lasted for a hot minute

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<v Speaker 1>and I went, it's too soon, and I just took

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<v Speaker 1>a step back. I was like, the undies are there

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<v Speaker 1>when we want to use them, YadA YadA, yadda. And

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<v Speaker 1>then that's kind of been it. But I've noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>lately she's been running to the toilet when she needs

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<v Speaker 1>to do a wei. So this week I've taken nappy

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<v Speaker 1>off again. It's cold, but I just put her in

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<v Speaker 1>a jumper and she has socks on and she's find

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<v Speaker 1>our house is like pretty warm, and she's been taking herself,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think we may be ready to start the

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<v Speaker 1>toilet or the potties the potty. Okay, yeah, the toilet's

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<v Speaker 1>too big for her, like she'd fall in. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a funny sight her long limbs.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's kind of been an experience so far.

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<v Speaker 1>I think just not having any expectation. I wasn't super

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<v Speaker 1>keen to do it. I wasn't trying to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally just put it there and I hoped for

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<v Speaker 1>the best. And I think that that has suited her personality.

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<v Speaker 1>She's very like I call her a follower. Oh, she

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<v Speaker 1>likes to follow what people are doing. She likes to

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<v Speaker 1>follow Goldie around whenever she's not super defiant or no.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's like into it. But look, there are moments

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<v Speaker 1>when she's kind of been better or worse. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think that now she's kind of about the age where

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<v Speaker 1>we can really do it. But honestly, reading all of

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<v Speaker 1>the Shitter's responses has been so helpful, I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>might pull out kind of just the top line themes

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<v Speaker 1>to the responses, so the average age that I should

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<v Speaker 1>have started potty training was two and a half. Okay, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm fine, You're fine. The youngest was twelve months,

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<v Speaker 1>which I was like, wow, twelve month twelve months? Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>you say that? There was one lady the baby was

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<v Speaker 1>like a newborn. There was a shitter that responded who

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<v Speaker 1>had her friends whose mum potty trained them.

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<v Speaker 3>At three weeks, which I was like, I was, I

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<v Speaker 3>also just don't believe it. I want to hear that story,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just do not believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it seems far fetched, but we believe U

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<v Speaker 1>shit is. But I made think that lady's lying. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not the shit align the mom and mum exactly. That

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<v Speaker 1>was like a Karn at her PTA meeting, just being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they leave it so long these days. I potty trained

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<v Speaker 1>mine at three weeks old. It's like they can't even

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<v Speaker 1>look their head.

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<v Speaker 3>They're still shitting their pants. Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the oldest was three and a half. That's still

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<v Speaker 1>a toddler. Still a toddler for sure. But the post

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<v Speaker 1>get bigger, the bigger they get reasons for starting showing

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<v Speaker 1>interest with the parents or siblings, siblings. Some people seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be quite good just awareness of like hating wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a wet or soiled nappy, or vocalizing when they would

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<v Speaker 1>be going to the loose. So they were just like

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<v Speaker 1>hyper aware of it. Talking about potty training maybe being

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<v Speaker 1>at daycare and seeing other people do it a necessity.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people said it was due to necessity

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<v Speaker 1>of the child moving to the preschool room and they

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<v Speaker 1>have to and a lot of daycares they have to

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<v Speaker 1>be potty trained by then, aren't necessity when another baby's

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<v Speaker 1>on the way, not wanting to change two lots of diapers,

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<v Speaker 1>totally get that warmer weather, wanting to do it before

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<v Speaker 1>the next win, which is really true because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of potty training, they say to Strip and Bear. A

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<v Speaker 1>couple of them said that their kids probably weren't ready,

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<v Speaker 1>but also thought that they may have never been so

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<v Speaker 1>really far from being ready, being dry overnight and in

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<v Speaker 1>between nappy changes. And then the last one was my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>I was ready to stop changing shitty nappies, fair so fair.

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<v Speaker 1>The number one resources that she has used was the

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<v Speaker 1>Oh crap book that seemed to be really popular. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if that's the one that I got from my

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<v Speaker 1>sister in law that I haven't opened. Ye could have

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<v Speaker 1>been that seconds was big little feelings course, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a potty training course. A lot of people were like none.

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<v Speaker 1>I just trusted my gut and I trusted what my

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<v Speaker 1>kid was doing. It's not rocket science. No, educators at

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<v Speaker 1>childcare and other mums are really good. Good old Google.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a lot of those books and courses that

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, they used like reward charts to help set

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<v Speaker 1>up like a good behavior, so that was the other

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing they did. The general consensus was poohs

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot harder than wheeze, which wasn't helpful for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Every kid is different, and the people who said they

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<v Speaker 1>started too early said that their kid has continued to struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought that was really really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>There were so many good tips. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>double up because we aren't going to be talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah later, so we're gonna pop them on socials so

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<v Speaker 1>you can read through and by all of the recommendations

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<v Speaker 1>that the shitters shared. Okay, so I've shared the shitter's responses.

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<v Speaker 1>Cal talk to me about your friends, because I know

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<v Speaker 1>you've got friends with older kids who've been through it.

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<v Speaker 3>What I know, and I guess one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 3>why I've never worried too much. Like I'm making jokes

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<v Speaker 3>about being lazy, but he has the potty there to

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<v Speaker 3>sit on. He's very interested when Evelyn, I'm like, do

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<v Speaker 3>you want to use your potty? And he's like no, No.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I'm talking same thing, like they're gonna walk.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're all just so different. Like my girlfriend's child

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<v Speaker 3>were so advanced in so many different ways. Yes, speaking

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<v Speaker 3>the things that she would remember, but still has a chart,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's so cute to'll be like I tried, and

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<v Speaker 3>then there'll be like one stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all that's really sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>And then my girlfriend nat her child was three and

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<v Speaker 3>completely potty trained, even night wow, no night nappies. He

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<v Speaker 3>would go to the bathroom before I know. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>how that seems so far away. I have another girlfriend, though,

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<v Speaker 3>who's eight year old, stills in a night nappy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's kind of like, eh, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>have to get up and change the sheets all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got so sick of it.

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<v Speaker 3>At one point, he will be embarrassed and he will

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<v Speaker 3>get his lazy ass out of bed and go to

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<v Speaker 3>the toilet. Yeah, But she did have this thing. She

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<v Speaker 3>used to say to me. Oh, when he has his

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<v Speaker 3>first sleepover, that's when I reckon he will give up

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<v Speaker 3>the night nappy because he'll be embarrassed. But apparently his

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<v Speaker 3>friend came over and was like, they both had their

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<v Speaker 3>night nappies. Stop it. But you know he will stop

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<v Speaker 3>it when I guess he's Yeah. Yeah, so you're not

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<v Speaker 3>a teenager or an adult wearing a nappy at all, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>not until you get so old you might need a nappy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no textbook, there's no rule. Everyone sort of just

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<v Speaker 3>does what's best for their kids. Yeah, and at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, the kid gets there the end

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<v Speaker 3>they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people can feel the pressure, but I do think

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<v Speaker 1>like reading those responses, doing it too early, you just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to push them when it's something like that

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<v Speaker 1>because it's such a personal and private thing and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to maybe or weird feelings around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, Like all it's dirty, especially about your reaction

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<v Speaker 3>to it. And Lenny gets embarrassed if you waze on

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<v Speaker 3>the phone, it's fine, it's just wait. Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if i'deel the same about poop.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we are giving advice that we really shouldn't be giving, so,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, are not so practically, Yeah, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to someone who knows what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>And that person is our shit is Sarah, who is

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<v Speaker 1>an educator of over ten years. Let's welcome her on

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<v Speaker 1>to the show. Sarah, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>We are desperate to chat with you. Really, we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to kick it off by just asking you the question

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<v Speaker 1>that I think all parents are asking, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>know when our kid is ready to start potty training?

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<v Speaker 5>I think the big thing is you're looking developmentally at

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<v Speaker 5>where a child's at. One child when they're ready versus

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<v Speaker 5>another child when they're ready. It is totally different. Realistically,

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<v Speaker 5>they're learning a new skill, you know, they're learning something new,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think it's even harder because they also have

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<v Speaker 5>to listen to their body and that's, you know, even

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<v Speaker 5>as adults, really hard to do. You'd say roughly between

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<v Speaker 5>eighteen months and three years, and that's such a huge

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<v Speaker 5>amount of time where they could be ready. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think you know, you also want to look at what

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<v Speaker 5>task they can do. Are they someone that you can say, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>go and get that ball for me, or can you

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<v Speaker 5>go and find your drink bottle. If that's something that

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<v Speaker 5>they can do easily, that's also something that would say

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<v Speaker 5>to me that they're ready. Because if you're asking them, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>let's go and sit on the toilet and they don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how to do that, then that's you know, tricky.

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<v Speaker 5>I suppose you know, you would look at some base

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<v Speaker 5>cues would be can they tell you when they've you know,

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<v Speaker 5>got a wet nappy? Are they showing you? Are they

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<v Speaker 5>telling you? I mean, toddlers do this a lot. Are

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<v Speaker 5>they besting in on you on the toilet? You know

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<v Speaker 5>they're interested in what you're doing, or in a childcare setting,

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<v Speaker 5>often they might show interest in their friends and their

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<v Speaker 5>peers as well on the toilet, or you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>they're wanting to take their nappies off. I suppose the

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<v Speaker 5>showing that they're ready to explore that part it's really

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<v Speaker 5>child dependent.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose you've actually just blown my mind a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit with the simplicity of seeing like the signs in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of how responsive they are to your questions or instructions,

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<v Speaker 3>because just thinking about lots of little kids that I

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<v Speaker 3>know they do reach that stage at such different times.

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<v Speaker 3>When can you go get mummy this, whereas you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a kid the exact same age might not even acknowledge you,

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<v Speaker 3>whereas the same age child might be like, goes and

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<v Speaker 3>get something for you as soon as you ask. That's

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<v Speaker 3>such a good way to sort of think about if

0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:02.720
<v Speaker 3>they're ready.

0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because a lot of people are searching for the cues,

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.520
<v Speaker 1>which are many you listed, But they could have all

0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the cues in the world, but if they still can't

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.199
<v Speaker 1>actually follow that direction, it's not going to be successful.

0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.400
<v Speaker 1>You kind of need that as your I guess foundation

0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 1>to then follow the cues.

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, so whether or not they're sort of showing

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:26.159
<v Speaker 3>those signs or you know, signaling that they're ready. What

0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:30.199
<v Speaker 3>age would you say a kid absolutely should be potty

0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 3>trained by?

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 5>Look, I would say before school. Like if they're three

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.280
<v Speaker 5>and a half or they're four and they're not toilet training,

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 5>you'd really sort of, you know, start to look into

0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 5>doing that with a little bit more of a time frame. Again,

0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.120
<v Speaker 5>you're looking at developmentally, maybe there's something else there that's

0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.360
<v Speaker 5>preventing them from doing that, and ots and occupational therapists

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.679
<v Speaker 5>are great for things like that if they need that

0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:59.160
<v Speaker 5>additional support with that. But school ideally would be when

0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:00.800
<v Speaker 5>you want to get them toilet trained.

0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.280
<v Speaker 3>I feel like as well, it's pretty normal though everyone

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 3>went to school with someone that we their pants or

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:08.919
<v Speaker 3>shot themselves, right totally.

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen to the best of us. That can

0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 1>happen as adults.

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 5>Really, My sister's a prep teacher and she has had

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.200
<v Speaker 5>a couple of children that she needs to toilet train.

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 5>Or we're pretty much almost there, and then you know,

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.560
<v Speaker 5>they got to school and they regressed a little bit

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.359
<v Speaker 5>as well, because it's a new environment and that's normal

0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.399
<v Speaker 5>and that's natural for that to happen as well.

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 1>On that note, we did a little poll with the

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 1>shitters and asked them about their potty training experience, and

0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 1>something that was quite interesting that came up was a

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of the parents who responded identified that they perhaps

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:44.359
<v Speaker 1>started too soon, said that their kid often continued to

0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 1>struggle with toilet training. Has that been similar in your experience?

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.000
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely? I think. You know, you also want to look

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:55.160
<v Speaker 5>at environmental factors. You know, maybe you've moved house, maybe

0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 5>you've changed childcares, maybe there's a new sibling, maybe mum's

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.080
<v Speaker 5>gone away for work. Little things like that can really

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.440
<v Speaker 5>set them back, you know, or maybe even something as

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.960
<v Speaker 5>simple as you've now changed around their room at home,

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.159
<v Speaker 5>like little tiny things can really have a setback for

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 5>toilet training, and I think, you know, it's not you

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 5>start toilet training and then that's it. Sometimes it takes

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.520
<v Speaker 5>two or three goes. And it also differs between siblings

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:28.199
<v Speaker 5>and for some people genders as well. So sometimes we

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 5>have families that go, oh, yes, they toilet trained in

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.679
<v Speaker 5>one weekend and that was great, and then unfortunately for them,

0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 5>they get lured into a false sense of security for

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 5>the sibling and often, you know, it takes them a

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.439
<v Speaker 5>month or a couple of months to really nail that

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.719
<v Speaker 5>toilet training and listening to their bodies and when they

0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 5>need to go. So it's totally normal that that happens,

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 5>you know. Or maybe they start toilet training before they

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.640
<v Speaker 5>start daycare and all of a sudden it's a new

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 5>environment and they're regressing a little bit, or even medically,

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, things come up like a uti, they don't

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 5>want to go to the toilet anymore because they're already

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 5>having these issues. So it's totally normal that some of

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 5>them are going to regress, and some children need to

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.439
<v Speaker 5>take three or four times to do it.

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm even thinking about kids that are obsessed with their dummies,

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 3>my child included. But how much sickness like regresses that

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 3>weaning process. So whenever Len has been sick, he just

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 3>becomes so much more reliant on it again and wants

0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 3>it all the time, whereas when he's really well doesn't

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 3>ask for it during the day anymore. So it's like,

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.400
<v Speaker 3>I guess those two steps forwards, one step back everything,

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I guess when you're parenting totally.

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>So what the f do we do? I'm so glad

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that you said that it can take longer than three days,

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of people were saying, Yeah, these courses

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>and these books are telling me to do it in

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 1>three days, but realistically there are still going to be accidents,

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. After so we've got the cues from the kid,

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>they know how to take direction.

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 5>What do we do now, I think, you know, there's

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 5>no one size fits all Again, we look individually at

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:16.159
<v Speaker 5>what works for the child. I suppose some children do potties,

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 5>some children do a toilet and a seat over the toilet.

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 5>Some families do potty parties where they do do that

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, three day crash course of potty training and

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 5>it's rudy neudy around the house, and you just kind

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 5>of follow them around with a potty and see if

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 5>that works.

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 3>And hope for the best.

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly, and you know, you kind of put poppy

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 5>pads around the house and hope for the best, you know,

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 5>or a lot of families do over summertime because the

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 5>weather is a little bit warmer and it's easier clothing

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.680
<v Speaker 5>wise as well. You know, you're not taking off seventeen

0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 5>layers in winter, You're only really taking off a couple

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 5>of layers. And if your child goes to daycare, talk

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 5>to your educators about what they do. I know, something

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 5>that we do often is when we're changing their nappies,

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 5>even if you know, maybe they're getting towards that age.

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 5>When we take the nappies off, we just sit them

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 5>on the toilet and if nothing happens then that's fine.

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 5>But there's no fear associated with the toilets. And I

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 5>think daycare as well. One great thing is that they've

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 5>got those little tiny toilets, so they're not these big

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 5>scary things where you know, you look at their little

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 5>bottoms and they might fall in, you know, so it's

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 5>a little bit easier on those small little toilets. I

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 5>know some parent rooms as well have them. It is

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 5>great that we listen to our community as parents, but

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 5>I think it's also you've got to take it with

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 5>a grain of salt. You want to make sure that

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 5>you get it right for your child. And I think

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 5>it's really hard not to listen to families and oh, yes,

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 5>we did it this way, and then we did it

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 5>this way, and it does it gets so confusing. You're like,

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 5>what the hell am I supposed to do? I think

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 5>it is a little bit of trial and error. I

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.400
<v Speaker 5>think is the biggest thing is trying a few different things.

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 5>I think a great way for preparing for that process is,

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 5>you know, just getting some books about toilet training and

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 5>about your body. I know Camart's got some great ones

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 5>around toileting for boys and toileting for girls, because that's

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 5>a whole now they can fish, I suppose.

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh the duties they make it go everywhere. I'm like,

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 3>when Lenny sits on the potty, I'm like, bub, bub,

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 3>don't sit on it.

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Tuck it down, Tuck it down.

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 5>We say that a lot. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, into the toilet,

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 5>pant it into the toilet. But then also for males,

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 5>I suppose, you know, sometimes it is easier to do

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 5>stand up wheez initially as well, or to squat over

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 5>the potty. It's really different for every child, and I

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 5>think starting that process of having those conversations and role modeling.

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 5>I suppose, oh, I feel like I need to go

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 5>to the bathroom, and you're saying that to your child

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 5>before you go. You know, I'm just going to the bathroom,

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 5>and you know they probably don't care, but you're role

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 5>modeling that and they might say I'm going to the bathroom,

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 5>or I need to go to the bathroom. And some

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 5>families have key phrases that they use. It might be

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 5>my body's telling me to go to the toilet, and

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 5>then the educators of the daycare will say that, or

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 5>whatever the case may be. So maybe you nail down

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 5>a couple of key phrases, and you know, you read

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 5>your books at nighttime before you go to bed. But

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 5>trial and error process is the best.

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Must be nice.

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 3>If someone has a kid that doesn't care if they

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 3>go to the bathroom or not, mine acts like he's

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 3>being tortured. If I have the audacity to leave him

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 3>to go to the toilet, or he will come with

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 3>me and bring himself some snacks so he can really

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 3>settle in.

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 5>It's a real show.

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I can't go near him if he's doing his business.

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 3>He wants complete privacy. So, Sarah, are there some kids

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 3>that just don't get it and struggle a lot more?

0:28:55.840 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, it's definitely something that some kids really show with

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 5>and that might be a sign that they're not quite

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 5>ready and you might give it another three months for

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 5>you to do that as well. They just quite haven't

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 5>worked it out. I know in particular, wheeze are easier,

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 5>but pooh is a totally different process. So they'll do

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 5>wheeze on the potty like that, but getting them to

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, go into a pooh on the potty is

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 5>a totally different process. Like I know, there's a lot

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 5>of children that you know, they feel more comfortable doing

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 5>that in a nappy, and so that can be a

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 5>hard process too, is making that transition from going to

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 5>the toilet and a nappy versus a toilet. A great

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 5>tip that I like to think about in that situation

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 5>is I like to put a pair of undies on

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 5>and then a nappy over the top, so they're still

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:47.959
<v Speaker 5>feeling that wetness, but it's kind of containing it, I

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 5>suppose as well, particularly like you're in the car or

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 5>something like that, they're still feeling that wetness, but they

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 5>have that comfort of a nappy as well. So that's

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 5>always a nice trick.

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>That's a good.

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, absolutely, and it's so easy. I think. You know,

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 5>you're buying a lot of undies anyway, when you're starting

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 5>toilet training. You go to kmart and you buy the

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.479
<v Speaker 5>twenty pack, and there's going to be some sacrifices, like

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 5>ten out of those twenty undies they're not making at home.

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 5>So you're going through those things anyway, and so you know,

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 5>another sign that maybe they're not ready is that they're

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 5>going through a lot of pairs of clothes, you know,

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 5>ten or more maybe that day, and so you would

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 5>maybe reconsider that, but ask them as well. If they're

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 5>of the age where you can ask them, you know,

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 5>do you need to go to the toilet and they're

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.239
<v Speaker 5>not interested, then hey, we're not going to push it.

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.479
<v Speaker 5>You know. You just want them to listen to their

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 5>bodies and follow the cues.

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Really, so I was just like giggling to myself about

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 3>the undies because I was thinking, like, it's really not

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 3>the time where we need to be worrying too much

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 3>about our impact on the environment, because no one needs

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 3>to be scraping fecal matter off abricks.

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 5>It's not No, it's not pleasant, definitely not. It's messy.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 5>It's messy.

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned the Kmart books and the different phrases

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>that families can kind of use in order to get that,

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess repetition and the kids to identify when to

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>use the bathroom. Are there any other resources that you

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>recommend to your parents.

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 5>I definitely think there's a lot of videos that talk

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 5>about it as well. A lot of kids, you know,

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 5>will be spending time watching things on YouTube. There's a

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 5>lot of great videos that are appropriate within the internet.

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 5>I think you know, obviously watch them before you you know,

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 5>let your child watch them. But around toileting, I.

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Think there's a wiggles one see it all the time.

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 5>You'll work out what your child likes. Like There's some

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 5>children are really into books, they love books, and so

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 5>that's going to work for them. There will be some

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 5>children that really like songs, and so you know, some

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 5>families have a toilet song and that's the song that

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 5>they sing when they're going to the toilet, because that's

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 5>their child's a little bit more musically inclined, I suppose.

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 5>So I definitely think songs and books, anything that is

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 5>going to get them involved in that process, like, hey,

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 5>we're doing this new thing. Like maybe you go with

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 5>them and they come with you to pick their undies

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 5>that they want to wear when they're toilet training, I

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 5>think is a big one, and things like you know,

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 5>maybe it's Elsa or maybe it's Poor Patrol or Spider Man,

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 5>and they want to wear those things, I think, and

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<v Speaker 5>you talk to them about that through that process, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's like a big celebration. Oh it means

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<v Speaker 5>you're a big girl or a big boy now because

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to be toilet training. So that might not

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<v Speaker 5>work for every child. You know, that might be too

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<v Speaker 5>much pressure on that particular child. So really, just again,

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<v Speaker 5>you know your child best. I think you listen to

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<v Speaker 5>your child and what works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so comforting hearing like someone who's been through

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<v Speaker 1>that experience that all works in that environment. Though, because

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<v Speaker 1>I have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Singing to rue party, party, party, party, party, party, thinking

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an absolute lunatic, but You've just made me feel

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<v Speaker 2>like an absolute genius because she loves singing, she loves dancing,

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<v Speaker 2>and she gets so stoked when we're singing and dancing

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<v Speaker 2>on the party.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just so funny, isn't it, Like exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you said. You know your kids, you're the expert on

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<v Speaker 1>your kids, Like, we do know how to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just hearing someone else be like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. That's right for your kid, Like all of

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<v Speaker 1>the things are there. It's just that encouragement from someone

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<v Speaker 1>that's like, yeah, duh, do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, doing it absolutely. And I think consistency is key.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you chat with the daycare teachers about this

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<v Speaker 5>is what we do at home. Hey, let me show

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<v Speaker 5>you our potty song that we see and she will

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<v Speaker 5>do that at daycare. And it's that consistency because that's

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<v Speaker 5>what you guys do at home, so you'll do that

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<v Speaker 5>at daycare as well, and so everyone's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>singing the potty song, you know, and that might help

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<v Speaker 5>another child because that's what they like to do as well.

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<v Speaker 5>So keeping it consistent, I think is really helpful. Or

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<v Speaker 5>you tell grandma or you tell the babysitter everyone's on

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<v Speaker 5>the same page as to what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>So helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>You've made me feel like not a terrible parent for

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<v Speaker 3>like just sort of chilling about this my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having me on well, big.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing ks to Sarah. I'm feeling a lot better about

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<v Speaker 1>that now.

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly you yes, yes, and also really enjoyed the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, yeah, I knew you would. If you'd

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<v Speaker 1>let me do it sooner, you could have had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun sooners all I'm saying, well, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>On that note, thank you so much for listening to

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<v Speaker 3>us today. I hope that we've helped you in anyone

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<v Speaker 3>or we've at least given you a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a giggle. We are only two epps into the new season,

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<v Speaker 3>but we would love to get your feedback on the

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<v Speaker 3>jazzy new format. Chat to us in the Facebook group

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<v Speaker 1>We will pop our handles in the show notes. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>we were. This episode was produced by myself and Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>with audio production by Madeline Joanna Bye.