1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,385 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,585 --> 00:00:22,105 Speaker 3: Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:25,305 Speaker 1: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I'm don't even feel 6 00:00:25,385 --> 00:00:30,665 Speaker 1: jailty about it. Hello and welcome to you Beauty the 7 00:00:30,785 --> 00:00:33,945 Speaker 1: daily podcast for your Face. If you're near here, my 8 00:00:34,065 --> 00:00:37,145 Speaker 1: name's Aaron Doherty and I'm the host of the formula. 9 00:00:37,705 --> 00:00:39,665 Speaker 1: This is where I sit down with experts. I sit 10 00:00:39,705 --> 00:00:42,345 Speaker 1: down with celebs, some of the biggest names in the industry, 11 00:00:42,745 --> 00:00:46,065 Speaker 1: and I ask them all about their skincare routines, the 12 00:00:46,145 --> 00:00:49,745 Speaker 1: products they use, the techniques, the treatments, the whole shebang. 13 00:00:50,145 --> 00:00:53,785 Speaker 1: If you're obsessed with skincare, this is the show for you. 14 00:00:54,585 --> 00:00:57,665 Speaker 1: Today's episode is all about a topic we've heard of 15 00:00:57,865 --> 00:01:02,025 Speaker 1: but maybe don't fully understand, beauty sleep. Is it just 16 00:01:02,065 --> 00:01:04,985 Speaker 1: a myth or is there real science behind the idea 17 00:01:05,105 --> 00:01:08,305 Speaker 1: that a good night's sleep can actually transform your skin? 18 00:01:08,905 --> 00:01:13,985 Speaker 1: Spoiler alone, it's very real. Joining us is Olivia Arazolo, 19 00:01:14,225 --> 00:01:18,105 Speaker 1: Australia's leading sleep expert, who's here to break down the 20 00:01:18,145 --> 00:01:22,305 Speaker 1: fascinating connection between sleep and skin health. We'll explore how 21 00:01:22,425 --> 00:01:25,825 Speaker 1: lack of sleep impacts your skin, the science behind overnight 22 00:01:25,865 --> 00:01:28,945 Speaker 1: repair and the specific steps you can take to wake 23 00:01:29,065 --> 00:01:33,145 Speaker 1: up glowing. Plus, Olivia will share her personal skincare routine 24 00:01:33,345 --> 00:01:36,705 Speaker 1: and reveal what she does to boost her nighttime rejuvenation. 25 00:01:37,145 --> 00:01:38,025 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. 26 00:01:38,425 --> 00:01:42,145 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skin, but how. 27 00:01:44,105 --> 00:01:44,625 Speaker 4: Olivia? 28 00:01:44,865 --> 00:01:47,825 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us today. I'm so excited 29 00:01:47,865 --> 00:01:49,905 Speaker 1: to have you on the show. Thanks for coming on. 30 00:01:50,345 --> 00:01:52,905 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's an absolute pleasure. 31 00:01:53,105 --> 00:01:56,385 Speaker 1: We just worked out that we've actually met before years ago, 32 00:01:56,905 --> 00:02:01,145 Speaker 1: and now we're back giving Saturday today. Connected. I can't wait. 33 00:02:01,345 --> 00:02:04,665 Speaker 1: I want to dive right into it. How and why 34 00:02:05,225 --> 00:02:08,305 Speaker 1: did you go into sleep expertise? How did that happen? 35 00:02:08,785 --> 00:02:08,945 Speaker 4: So? 36 00:02:09,105 --> 00:02:13,265 Speaker 3: When I was seventeen, I made it my mission to 37 00:02:13,265 --> 00:02:16,025 Speaker 3: help everyone feel their best inside and out. Now, this 38 00:02:16,225 --> 00:02:18,785 Speaker 3: was because I was not feeling my best inside or out. 39 00:02:19,305 --> 00:02:22,865 Speaker 3: I was majorly depressed. I had major anorexia and I 40 00:02:22,905 --> 00:02:26,265 Speaker 3: was hospitalized for six months. Now, this taught me the 41 00:02:26,345 --> 00:02:29,425 Speaker 3: value of health, and it taught me the value of 42 00:02:29,785 --> 00:02:35,345 Speaker 3: support and a guide, a coach, a leader, somebody who 43 00:02:35,585 --> 00:02:38,225 Speaker 3: was there for me. That's what got me through that 44 00:02:38,305 --> 00:02:41,825 Speaker 3: time and so overcoming that for myself. I thought, you 45 00:02:41,905 --> 00:02:43,345 Speaker 3: know what, I don't know what I'm going to do 46 00:02:43,385 --> 00:02:44,865 Speaker 3: in the world, but that's who I'm going to be. 47 00:02:44,985 --> 00:02:47,345 Speaker 3: I'm going to be the cheerleader, the support, the guide, 48 00:02:47,905 --> 00:02:52,985 Speaker 3: the person that encourages you and empowers you and enables 49 00:02:53,025 --> 00:02:53,505 Speaker 3: you to be. 50 00:02:53,505 --> 00:02:56,425 Speaker 1: Your self the person that you needed. Yes, like I'm 51 00:02:56,465 --> 00:02:59,385 Speaker 1: going to become that are all of those tools that 52 00:02:59,425 --> 00:03:01,025 Speaker 1: I needed exactly right. 53 00:03:01,345 --> 00:03:03,225 Speaker 3: So then I was like, cool, I need to study. 54 00:03:03,225 --> 00:03:06,625 Speaker 3: I can't just help people with no awareness and knowledge. 55 00:03:06,705 --> 00:03:10,825 Speaker 3: So I studied psychology, sleep, psychology, nutrition, and fitness. My 56 00:03:10,945 --> 00:03:15,585 Speaker 3: idea was combine them all into something holistic and something 57 00:03:15,585 --> 00:03:19,985 Speaker 3: in the wellness space and be the wellness expert, be 58 00:03:20,025 --> 00:03:23,945 Speaker 3: the wellness coach. And then I was doing coaching in 59 00:03:24,105 --> 00:03:26,785 Speaker 3: various areas and then I had some sleep clients and 60 00:03:26,785 --> 00:03:29,825 Speaker 3: they were getting really good results really fast. And then 61 00:03:30,145 --> 00:03:32,305 Speaker 3: more and more people started coming to me for sleep 62 00:03:32,345 --> 00:03:36,865 Speaker 3: and I thought, wow, that's really interesting because nobody was 63 00:03:36,865 --> 00:03:39,585 Speaker 3: talking about sleep at the time. And this was, you know, 64 00:03:39,625 --> 00:03:44,705 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, and yeah, sleep was not a thing. It 65 00:03:44,745 --> 00:03:47,105 Speaker 3: was more like anti sleep. Oh yeah, you know you 66 00:03:47,225 --> 00:03:50,185 Speaker 3: sleep later asleep when you're dead, right, And then all 67 00:03:50,185 --> 00:03:53,065 Speaker 3: of a sudden, more and more people started coming to 68 00:03:53,105 --> 00:03:55,825 Speaker 3: me for sleep and I thought, wow, this must be 69 00:03:55,865 --> 00:03:59,665 Speaker 3: a real problem. And I thought about it. I was like, well, 70 00:03:59,865 --> 00:04:02,465 Speaker 3: if they weren't coming to me, who's like the number 71 00:04:02,545 --> 00:04:05,625 Speaker 3: one sleep expert in Australia that they would be going to. 72 00:04:06,505 --> 00:04:10,305 Speaker 3: And I couldn't think of one person at all. I thought, 73 00:04:10,345 --> 00:04:16,025 Speaker 3: Oh my god, massive need in our community and massive gap. 74 00:04:16,705 --> 00:04:18,865 Speaker 3: I thought, you know what, I'm going to be the 75 00:04:18,945 --> 00:04:20,865 Speaker 3: leading sleep expert of Australia. That's me. 76 00:04:21,625 --> 00:04:24,665 Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about how the lack of 77 00:04:24,745 --> 00:04:28,625 Speaker 1: sleep can contribute to different signs of visible aging on 78 00:04:28,665 --> 00:04:31,425 Speaker 1: your skin, such as fine lines, wrinkles. 79 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:32,585 Speaker 4: Tell me a little bit about that. 80 00:04:33,065 --> 00:04:36,145 Speaker 3: So when it comes to sleep and skincare, one of 81 00:04:36,185 --> 00:04:38,145 Speaker 3: the most important things you need to know is you're 82 00:04:38,185 --> 00:04:41,625 Speaker 3: in deep sleep. Seventy percent of our human growth hormone 83 00:04:41,705 --> 00:04:46,105 Speaker 3: is produced. This is a key catalyst for collagen. Collagen. 84 00:04:46,265 --> 00:04:50,505 Speaker 3: Collagen We love collagen. Right. Collagen enables our skin to 85 00:04:50,545 --> 00:04:55,105 Speaker 3: be smooth, supple. It is the glue, the elastin that 86 00:04:55,265 --> 00:04:58,945 Speaker 3: holds our skin together nicely in place. So the more 87 00:04:58,945 --> 00:05:02,265 Speaker 3: collagen we have, the less signs of aging we have. Right, 88 00:05:02,625 --> 00:05:05,785 Speaker 3: And so if you loop that back to skin and sleep, 89 00:05:06,185 --> 00:05:11,465 Speaker 3: it means that sleep enables human growth home, which enables collagen, 90 00:05:11,785 --> 00:05:16,545 Speaker 3: which reduces fine lines and aging. Okay, that's one approach, right. 91 00:05:17,225 --> 00:05:21,585 Speaker 3: The next consideration is that through lack of sleep, there 92 00:05:21,625 --> 00:05:26,145 Speaker 3: is a stress hormone, cortisol. Now we probably we don't like, 93 00:05:26,305 --> 00:05:30,225 Speaker 3: We do not like cortisol. Cortisol is our stress hormone. 94 00:05:30,225 --> 00:05:33,705 Speaker 3: It makes us feel anxious, it makes us feel wired, 95 00:05:33,905 --> 00:05:37,385 Speaker 3: it makes us feel really irritable, and in terms of 96 00:05:37,385 --> 00:05:43,225 Speaker 3: our skin, it promotes inflammation, it promotes redness, it promotes pimples. 97 00:05:43,785 --> 00:05:49,465 Speaker 3: Cortisol speeds up aging. So when you are lacking sleep, 98 00:05:49,505 --> 00:05:54,025 Speaker 3: your cortisole goes through the roof, and over time, if 99 00:05:54,025 --> 00:05:59,225 Speaker 3: you are chronically lacking sleep, that cortisole release becomes chronically elevated. 100 00:05:59,625 --> 00:06:03,985 Speaker 1: Is there a connection between having like poor sleep quality 101 00:06:04,265 --> 00:06:07,785 Speaker 1: and then you know you've got skin conditions like dark circles, 102 00:06:07,945 --> 00:06:09,145 Speaker 1: puppiness and dull skin. 103 00:06:09,225 --> 00:06:11,065 Speaker 4: Does that all under cortisol as well? 104 00:06:11,265 --> 00:06:15,985 Speaker 3: Puffiness? Definitely, because cortisole promotes inflammation. When it comes to 105 00:06:16,465 --> 00:06:22,265 Speaker 3: dark circles. It is not your imagination. This is genuinely happening. 106 00:06:22,665 --> 00:06:26,825 Speaker 3: So why does it happen first? When you don't sleep enough, 107 00:06:27,825 --> 00:06:32,265 Speaker 3: you have vasodilation and increased blood flow, which creates a 108 00:06:32,425 --> 00:06:37,305 Speaker 3: dark bluish color under the eyes. Then also sleep deprivation 109 00:06:37,825 --> 00:06:44,305 Speaker 3: can cause the periorbital area under the eye to become duller, 110 00:06:44,585 --> 00:06:48,625 Speaker 3: and therefore you see the blood vessels more easily. 111 00:06:49,185 --> 00:06:51,465 Speaker 1: You definitely notice it though, whenever I've had a bad 112 00:06:51,505 --> 00:06:53,905 Speaker 1: sleep and you wake up in the morning and you're like, Okay, 113 00:06:54,105 --> 00:06:56,025 Speaker 1: I look like I've been dragged through something. 114 00:06:56,425 --> 00:06:57,705 Speaker 4: Everything does look puffier. 115 00:06:58,025 --> 00:07:00,625 Speaker 1: We need to get the guacher out and give the 116 00:07:00,625 --> 00:07:02,985 Speaker 1: whole face a little bit of a tone. Definitely, you've 117 00:07:02,985 --> 00:07:06,705 Speaker 1: talked about cortisole in terms of the hormone we don't 118 00:07:06,745 --> 00:07:09,825 Speaker 1: want to kind of creep up on us. Are the 119 00:07:09,905 --> 00:07:14,025 Speaker 1: specific hormones that are released during sleep that influence our 120 00:07:14,025 --> 00:07:14,705 Speaker 1: skin health. 121 00:07:15,345 --> 00:07:16,345 Speaker 4: Are there some good. 122 00:07:16,145 --> 00:07:20,225 Speaker 3: Hormones human growth hormone. Yeah, So athletes often take human 123 00:07:20,225 --> 00:07:25,345 Speaker 3: growth hormone to enhance recovery. So our body naturally produces 124 00:07:25,385 --> 00:07:29,825 Speaker 3: this during sleep and specifically during deep sleep, which is 125 00:07:29,985 --> 00:07:34,585 Speaker 3: laced back into that old saying that you need to 126 00:07:34,625 --> 00:07:39,505 Speaker 3: be in bed by ten pm to get your beauty sleep. Now, 127 00:07:39,905 --> 00:07:43,385 Speaker 3: human growth hormone is producing deep sleep and deep sleep 128 00:07:43,465 --> 00:07:46,305 Speaker 3: takes part in the first part of the night, and 129 00:07:46,385 --> 00:07:48,665 Speaker 3: so if you are not getting to bed until one 130 00:07:48,745 --> 00:07:52,265 Speaker 3: or two o'clock in the morning, although you will be sleeping, 131 00:07:52,705 --> 00:07:56,225 Speaker 3: you will have missed a large portion of your opportunity 132 00:07:56,585 --> 00:08:00,745 Speaker 3: to get that deep sleep, and instead you'll spend less 133 00:08:00,745 --> 00:08:04,785 Speaker 3: time in deep sleep and more time in arim sleep. Right, 134 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:07,705 Speaker 3: and arim sleep is very important, but when it comes 135 00:08:07,745 --> 00:08:12,225 Speaker 3: to human growth hormone, it is not so interrelated. 136 00:08:12,665 --> 00:08:15,905 Speaker 4: So for optimal skin health, you need that deep sleep. 137 00:08:16,065 --> 00:08:17,905 Speaker 3: Yeah, beautyy thing, one hundred percent. 138 00:08:25,825 --> 00:08:28,905 Speaker 1: How much sleep, then, do we need for optimal health? 139 00:08:28,905 --> 00:08:29,305 Speaker 4: Give us a. 140 00:08:29,345 --> 00:08:32,785 Speaker 1: Number, seven to nine hours. Seven to nine Okay, I 141 00:08:32,825 --> 00:08:35,105 Speaker 1: feel like it's doable. I'm going to throw in a 142 00:08:35,145 --> 00:08:39,185 Speaker 1: personal question here because I'm pregnant and I feel like 143 00:08:39,225 --> 00:08:40,145 Speaker 1: I'm about to get. 144 00:08:40,025 --> 00:08:42,105 Speaker 4: A whole lot less sleep soon. 145 00:08:43,625 --> 00:08:45,905 Speaker 1: What are a few things that you would kind of 146 00:08:46,265 --> 00:08:51,225 Speaker 1: recommend to up my sleep routine postpartum once I have 147 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:52,545 Speaker 1: this human. 148 00:08:52,665 --> 00:08:55,505 Speaker 3: Before I answer that, can I give you a statistic 149 00:08:55,585 --> 00:08:58,785 Speaker 3: that you're going to really enjoy. Oh gosh, for each 150 00:08:59,065 --> 00:09:03,225 Speaker 3: child that a woman has, it takes six point five 151 00:09:03,465 --> 00:09:06,305 Speaker 3: years to recover from the lack of sleep. 152 00:09:06,545 --> 00:09:07,065 Speaker 4: Stop it. 153 00:09:07,145 --> 00:09:09,105 Speaker 1: So this one baby is going to take me six 154 00:09:09,185 --> 00:09:09,625 Speaker 1: and a half. 155 00:09:09,505 --> 00:09:11,465 Speaker 4: Year is to recover from. 156 00:09:11,745 --> 00:09:15,465 Speaker 3: Correct, you lose fifty nine percent of your total sleep 157 00:09:15,505 --> 00:09:16,785 Speaker 3: time in the first twelve month. 158 00:09:17,105 --> 00:09:20,665 Speaker 1: Looks like we're having an only child. So tell me 159 00:09:20,705 --> 00:09:22,065 Speaker 1: how can I fix that? 160 00:09:22,665 --> 00:09:25,465 Speaker 3: The best place to start is your bedtime routine, Because 161 00:09:25,745 --> 00:09:29,505 Speaker 3: like when we need to prepare ourselves to get ready 162 00:09:29,505 --> 00:09:32,345 Speaker 3: for work, there's a set of processes that prepare our 163 00:09:32,345 --> 00:09:37,305 Speaker 3: body physiologically and psychologically. Now, preparing for sleep is exactly 164 00:09:37,345 --> 00:09:41,545 Speaker 3: the same. You really want to create an environment that 165 00:09:42,145 --> 00:09:46,105 Speaker 3: reduces the mental activity produces brain wave from a very 166 00:09:46,145 --> 00:09:48,545 Speaker 3: active beta and alpha wave, which is what we're in 167 00:09:48,585 --> 00:09:52,585 Speaker 3: now in conversation, to a deeper theater wave. Now, how 168 00:09:52,585 --> 00:09:54,745 Speaker 3: do you know if you're going into theater Now? That 169 00:09:55,065 --> 00:10:00,625 Speaker 3: is when you feel relaxed, come at ease, like you 170 00:10:00,785 --> 00:10:03,785 Speaker 3: are about to go to sleep, all. 171 00:10:03,665 --> 00:10:06,025 Speaker 4: The things that I'm really sure that I've feel right 172 00:10:06,065 --> 00:10:10,025 Speaker 4: after having Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, how you're going to feel? Okay? 173 00:10:10,105 --> 00:10:14,505 Speaker 3: So how do you promote the feeder waves? How do 174 00:10:14,505 --> 00:10:17,305 Speaker 3: you promote calmer brain wave state? The first thing you 175 00:10:17,345 --> 00:10:22,265 Speaker 3: can do is to reduce all blue lights. Now, blue 176 00:10:22,305 --> 00:10:26,425 Speaker 3: light has been found in multiple clinical studies to reduce melatonin, 177 00:10:26,465 --> 00:10:29,745 Speaker 3: which is a sleep promoting hormone, and increase cortisol, that 178 00:10:29,865 --> 00:10:31,385 Speaker 3: awakening hormone that we don't like. 179 00:10:31,585 --> 00:10:33,065 Speaker 4: So no phones before bed. 180 00:10:33,225 --> 00:10:39,225 Speaker 3: Ideally you want to have minimum of one hour before bed. Okay, Now, 181 00:10:39,265 --> 00:10:42,025 Speaker 3: if that's not feasible, just start with half an hour. 182 00:10:42,585 --> 00:10:46,425 Speaker 3: If that's not feasible, start with fifteen minutes. Give yourself 183 00:10:46,505 --> 00:10:50,585 Speaker 3: something that is going to be easily achieved and realistically 184 00:10:50,625 --> 00:10:54,745 Speaker 3: achieved consistently and create that goal, and then once you're 185 00:10:54,785 --> 00:10:57,945 Speaker 3: meeting that goal, then increase that length. There's no use 186 00:10:57,985 --> 00:11:00,265 Speaker 3: in saying, okay, well I'm not going to reach the hour, 187 00:11:00,345 --> 00:11:02,225 Speaker 3: so I'm not going to try it all. Because if 188 00:11:02,265 --> 00:11:05,145 Speaker 3: there's one thing that you're going to do to improve 189 00:11:05,185 --> 00:11:09,265 Speaker 3: your sleep quality, it is to reduce your use of 190 00:11:09,305 --> 00:11:12,585 Speaker 3: blue light devices before bed. Because when it comes to 191 00:11:12,825 --> 00:11:16,545 Speaker 3: circadian rhythm and what has the biggest influence over your 192 00:11:16,585 --> 00:11:21,705 Speaker 3: sleep wake cycle, it is light. The one closely behind 193 00:11:21,745 --> 00:11:26,425 Speaker 3: that is temperature. Okay, so that's another really really important factor. 194 00:11:26,505 --> 00:11:28,185 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I was just telling you how I 195 00:11:28,225 --> 00:11:32,265 Speaker 1: was sweating last night not having air conditioning in my flat. 196 00:11:32,345 --> 00:11:34,305 Speaker 2: I was thinking, okay, this would be a good talking 197 00:11:34,345 --> 00:11:38,145 Speaker 2: point and also thinking, oh, I'm sad you did probably 198 00:11:38,145 --> 00:11:43,825 Speaker 2: didn't sleep so well then, So temperature that is another massive, 199 00:11:43,905 --> 00:11:49,225 Speaker 2: massive component of sleep quality and also creating that calmer 200 00:11:49,305 --> 00:11:52,465 Speaker 2: brain wast state and helping you feel more relaxed before bed. 201 00:11:52,865 --> 00:11:58,265 Speaker 2: This is because melatonin, our sleep promoting hormone, is produced 202 00:11:58,585 --> 00:12:03,145 Speaker 2: when we have a one degree drop in core body temperature. Now, 203 00:12:03,265 --> 00:12:06,705 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, part of your bedtime routine, 204 00:12:06,705 --> 00:12:09,465 Speaker 2: this is the exact reason I recommend a shower. No, 205 00:12:09,745 --> 00:12:11,745 Speaker 2: you don't have to have a cold shower, but you 206 00:12:11,785 --> 00:12:13,305 Speaker 2: have a warm shower, and then you get out of 207 00:12:13,305 --> 00:12:17,505 Speaker 2: the bathroom, and then what happened, You get colder, and 208 00:12:17,585 --> 00:12:20,825 Speaker 2: so this is a signal for your body to start 209 00:12:20,865 --> 00:12:25,545 Speaker 2: producing melatonin, which will then allow you to fall into 210 00:12:25,625 --> 00:12:29,985 Speaker 2: that more relaxed state and feed into that calmer brain 211 00:12:30,065 --> 00:12:33,705 Speaker 2: wave state. Now, these are really important factors for people 212 00:12:33,745 --> 00:12:37,105 Speaker 2: who are saying things like I find it really difficult 213 00:12:37,145 --> 00:12:40,265 Speaker 2: to switch off at night. This doesn't just happen by chance, 214 00:12:40,305 --> 00:12:42,345 Speaker 2: and this isn't just you being a bad sleeper or 215 00:12:42,385 --> 00:12:46,185 Speaker 2: a light sleeper. There are processes that if you honor 216 00:12:46,465 --> 00:12:50,385 Speaker 2: before bed, then you won't have that racy mind, you 217 00:12:50,465 --> 00:12:52,825 Speaker 2: won't have that inability to switch off. 218 00:13:01,545 --> 00:13:03,145 Speaker 3: I mean, what is your self cares? 219 00:13:03,225 --> 00:13:04,705 Speaker 4: You give us the dirty detail. 220 00:13:07,785 --> 00:13:11,265 Speaker 1: I want you to walk us through your skincare routine 221 00:13:11,505 --> 00:13:14,385 Speaker 1: and some of your evening rituals before bed. 222 00:13:14,945 --> 00:13:19,065 Speaker 3: So when it comes to my skin care, I've been 223 00:13:19,185 --> 00:13:23,185 Speaker 3: using Jilik for years. I absolutely love their natural approach, 224 00:13:23,265 --> 00:13:28,465 Speaker 3: very holistic. I have a cleanser and a rare rose 225 00:13:28,505 --> 00:13:29,065 Speaker 3: face oil. 226 00:13:29,625 --> 00:13:31,625 Speaker 1: Is that Jelake as well? Yeah, So tell me about 227 00:13:31,625 --> 00:13:33,745 Speaker 1: the cleanser. Is a cleander like a cream cleanser? 228 00:13:33,985 --> 00:13:37,265 Speaker 3: Or I use a revitalizing cleanser. 229 00:13:37,225 --> 00:13:40,345 Speaker 4: Jerlake, do really really grate face oil? 230 00:13:40,465 --> 00:13:40,625 Speaker 3: Yeah? 231 00:13:40,625 --> 00:13:42,585 Speaker 1: And I know like the scent of a lot of 232 00:13:42,585 --> 00:13:45,665 Speaker 1: their products. If you do enjoy a scent to your products, 233 00:13:46,185 --> 00:13:47,185 Speaker 1: they do beautiful. 234 00:13:47,345 --> 00:13:48,865 Speaker 4: Ye is amazing. 235 00:13:49,025 --> 00:13:52,305 Speaker 3: Super subtle though as well, because I get quite overwhelmed 236 00:13:52,305 --> 00:13:54,785 Speaker 3: if it's too powerful. But I find they're really just 237 00:13:55,745 --> 00:13:58,745 Speaker 3: they Yeah, and I've found that, you know, when I 238 00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:01,945 Speaker 3: steer away from them, maybe I'm overseas and have run 239 00:14:01,985 --> 00:14:05,745 Speaker 3: out or whatever, and then I go to a different product, 240 00:14:05,825 --> 00:14:08,545 Speaker 3: it just doesn't synergize with my skin. 241 00:14:08,905 --> 00:14:11,225 Speaker 1: So these are your go to Tell me. Do you 242 00:14:11,305 --> 00:14:14,425 Speaker 1: use any specific serums or moisturizes in the morning. 243 00:14:14,505 --> 00:14:20,065 Speaker 3: After the face oil. They have a hydration mask now 244 00:14:20,145 --> 00:14:22,945 Speaker 3: that is often used as an overnight mask. I just 245 00:14:22,985 --> 00:14:26,425 Speaker 3: put a touch of that onto my skin in the morning, like, 246 00:14:26,505 --> 00:14:30,105 Speaker 3: so it's super super light. And this is the approach 247 00:14:30,145 --> 00:14:32,505 Speaker 3: of keeping it simple, right. I know that they have 248 00:14:32,785 --> 00:14:37,505 Speaker 3: so many different other creams and cleanses and serums and everything. 249 00:14:37,865 --> 00:14:39,825 Speaker 3: The thing is, I travel a lot, and so I 250 00:14:39,825 --> 00:14:44,385 Speaker 3: don't want to be reliant or using seven different creams 251 00:14:44,385 --> 00:14:46,785 Speaker 3: and moisturizers. And also like who has time for that? 252 00:14:48,385 --> 00:14:52,225 Speaker 3: Just give me a few key products that I can 253 00:14:52,345 --> 00:14:56,545 Speaker 3: use that allow my skin to glow. And the more 254 00:14:56,585 --> 00:14:58,865 Speaker 3: simple I can make my skin care, the more simple 255 00:14:58,865 --> 00:15:01,425 Speaker 3: I can make my routine. That is better for me 256 00:15:01,705 --> 00:15:03,665 Speaker 3: when I'm at home. It's better for me when I'm traveling, 257 00:15:04,265 --> 00:15:06,985 Speaker 3: and I just like it to be really simple. 258 00:15:07,105 --> 00:15:09,945 Speaker 1: Tell me about your night routine. Is it similar much 259 00:15:09,985 --> 00:15:13,625 Speaker 1: exactly the same? The only difference is often I do 260 00:15:13,705 --> 00:15:17,585 Speaker 1: like a double cleanse, so really get into that skin, 261 00:15:17,985 --> 00:15:22,665 Speaker 1: and if I have worn makeup, I do my dundest 262 00:15:22,905 --> 00:15:26,585 Speaker 1: to take that off. Now, sometimes I know this is 263 00:15:26,625 --> 00:15:29,785 Speaker 1: going to mortify my mother to hear this. Sometimes that 264 00:15:29,825 --> 00:15:31,705 Speaker 1: doesn't happen because. 265 00:15:32,025 --> 00:15:34,785 Speaker 3: I've had a really big day or I've had too 266 00:15:34,865 --> 00:15:37,145 Speaker 3: many mahadoes and. 267 00:15:37,945 --> 00:15:40,025 Speaker 4: You'll be forgiven, You'll be forgiven. 268 00:15:40,265 --> 00:15:43,505 Speaker 3: And I just come home and I just literally fall 269 00:15:43,545 --> 00:15:48,065 Speaker 3: into my bed into a heap. So sometimes I don't 270 00:15:48,665 --> 00:15:52,225 Speaker 3: take off that makeup. But I will say, waking up 271 00:15:52,225 --> 00:15:56,865 Speaker 3: in the morning with makeup still on is the worst feelings. 272 00:15:57,705 --> 00:15:58,665 Speaker 4: It is the worst feeling. 273 00:15:58,825 --> 00:16:00,945 Speaker 1: Do you know what I always do though, to make 274 00:16:00,985 --> 00:16:03,545 Speaker 1: sure I don't do that, I always have my cellar 275 00:16:03,585 --> 00:16:06,625 Speaker 1: water on my bedside table, because you know when sometimes 276 00:16:06,625 --> 00:16:08,745 Speaker 1: you're just like I can't physically. 277 00:16:08,385 --> 00:16:10,985 Speaker 4: Bring myself to the bathroom. Yeah, to do that. 278 00:16:11,065 --> 00:16:14,105 Speaker 3: So that's all good in theory. I have literally had 279 00:16:14,185 --> 00:16:17,625 Speaker 3: my skincare wipes next to on next to my bed, 280 00:16:17,745 --> 00:16:19,905 Speaker 3: on my bed, and I still just look at them 281 00:16:19,905 --> 00:16:21,385 Speaker 3: and I'm like, yes, no. 282 00:16:21,865 --> 00:16:23,865 Speaker 4: It's like on your pillow and your head out of 283 00:16:23,905 --> 00:16:24,145 Speaker 4: the way. 284 00:16:24,145 --> 00:16:26,785 Speaker 3: Please, Maybe I need to find wipes that feel. 285 00:16:27,025 --> 00:16:29,185 Speaker 4: I think you should go biodomo my cellar water. 286 00:16:30,145 --> 00:16:32,785 Speaker 3: I haven't tried it as a makeup remover. That's what 287 00:16:32,865 --> 00:16:33,385 Speaker 3: you recommend. 288 00:16:33,505 --> 00:16:35,065 Speaker 4: I recommend going for that. 289 00:16:35,185 --> 00:16:37,745 Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll either just do like one cleanse and 290 00:16:37,785 --> 00:16:39,945 Speaker 1: then just use biodome and my cellar water. Yeah, and 291 00:16:39,985 --> 00:16:42,625 Speaker 1: it gets off so much more gunk. So tell me 292 00:16:42,625 --> 00:16:45,705 Speaker 1: a little bit about your evening rituals after you've done 293 00:16:45,745 --> 00:16:46,785 Speaker 1: your skincare routine. 294 00:16:47,105 --> 00:16:50,345 Speaker 4: Yeah or not? Yeah? What kind of evening ritul do 295 00:16:50,345 --> 00:16:51,065 Speaker 4: you have before bed? 296 00:16:51,585 --> 00:16:56,065 Speaker 3: My typical evening, I have blue light blocking glasses, which 297 00:16:56,105 --> 00:16:57,345 Speaker 3: I use glasses. 298 00:16:57,425 --> 00:16:59,185 Speaker 4: So wait, did you put them on? Once? 299 00:16:59,225 --> 00:17:02,305 Speaker 3: You get one sec at home? So within an hour 300 00:17:02,305 --> 00:17:05,825 Speaker 3: and a half of my sleep time, I usually go 301 00:17:05,865 --> 00:17:08,665 Speaker 3: to bed quiet. I'd say relatively early as well, Like 302 00:17:09,105 --> 00:17:11,105 Speaker 3: I usually try and put on my blue let glasses 303 00:17:11,145 --> 00:17:15,745 Speaker 3: around eight pm. Then I will have my shower, do 304 00:17:15,905 --> 00:17:20,505 Speaker 3: my skin care. There is deep sleep promoting music that 305 00:17:20,585 --> 00:17:24,265 Speaker 3: I love to listen to. It's called Tibetan Monk songs. 306 00:17:24,505 --> 00:17:25,985 Speaker 4: Oh Tibetan music. 307 00:17:26,105 --> 00:17:29,385 Speaker 3: I just it's got gongs and it just feels like 308 00:17:29,465 --> 00:17:33,505 Speaker 3: you're in Bali or Byron or somewhere far away. 309 00:17:33,785 --> 00:17:36,305 Speaker 4: That just makes me feel like i'd be like in 310 00:17:36,385 --> 00:17:37,505 Speaker 4: a spa, right. 311 00:17:37,625 --> 00:17:37,985 Speaker 3: It does? 312 00:17:38,585 --> 00:17:38,985 Speaker 4: It does. 313 00:17:39,865 --> 00:17:43,945 Speaker 3: I like to have something to occupy my mind. So 314 00:17:44,025 --> 00:17:46,905 Speaker 3: by focusing on this music, and I literally do this 315 00:17:47,025 --> 00:17:54,345 Speaker 3: visualization where I Am going into this rainforest and tropical 316 00:17:54,465 --> 00:17:59,985 Speaker 3: jungle and there's just lush greenery everywhere and there's forest 317 00:18:00,185 --> 00:18:03,185 Speaker 3: and there's nobody else there, and all I'm hearing is 318 00:18:03,185 --> 00:18:08,625 Speaker 3: this beautiful gongs and charms, and I imagine that all 319 00:18:08,665 --> 00:18:12,825 Speaker 3: of the stresses are just seeping out of my body. 320 00:18:14,425 --> 00:18:17,425 Speaker 1: In terms of skin health, what would be your number 321 00:18:17,465 --> 00:18:21,345 Speaker 1: one tip for ubi's listening who just want to improve 322 00:18:21,785 --> 00:18:22,265 Speaker 1: their skin. 323 00:18:22,705 --> 00:18:26,105 Speaker 3: Make sure you are asleep by ten pm or as 324 00:18:26,145 --> 00:18:29,425 Speaker 3: close to it as you can, and you have a 325 00:18:29,705 --> 00:18:34,585 Speaker 3: relaxing bedtime routine using some of the practices that we 326 00:18:34,665 --> 00:18:38,265 Speaker 3: mentioned before, Because then if you do that, for let's say, 327 00:18:38,305 --> 00:18:40,545 Speaker 3: an hour before bed by the time, even if it 328 00:18:40,625 --> 00:18:44,705 Speaker 3: is ten o'clock and you're usually super awake, then actually 329 00:18:44,745 --> 00:18:47,225 Speaker 3: you'll be ready to go to sleep because you've given 330 00:18:47,305 --> 00:18:53,905 Speaker 3: your brain the signals and the cues to go into 331 00:18:54,025 --> 00:18:55,025 Speaker 3: deeper sleep faster. 332 00:18:55,345 --> 00:18:57,905 Speaker 1: Olivia, thank you so much for swimming by. It was 333 00:18:57,945 --> 00:18:59,505 Speaker 1: so great chatting with you all. 334 00:18:59,545 --> 00:19:00,105 Speaker 4: Think sleep. 335 00:19:00,105 --> 00:19:02,745 Speaker 1: I'm taking those tips, I'm using them. I'm going to 336 00:19:02,985 --> 00:19:05,425 Speaker 1: up my evening routine by one thousand. By the time 337 00:19:05,505 --> 00:19:08,425 Speaker 1: this baby gets here, I'm going to be like deep 338 00:19:08,465 --> 00:19:11,665 Speaker 1: sleep and I are like very very good. Check in 339 00:19:11,745 --> 00:19:14,745 Speaker 1: with me afterwards, I reckon. But thank you so much 340 00:19:14,785 --> 00:19:15,465 Speaker 1: for coming along. 341 00:19:15,705 --> 00:19:18,905 Speaker 3: Ah, so nice to chat and I'm really looking forward 342 00:19:18,945 --> 00:19:19,545 Speaker 3: to next time. 343 00:19:20,985 --> 00:19:23,745 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to this episode of 344 00:19:23,785 --> 00:19:24,425 Speaker 1: the Formula. 345 00:19:24,625 --> 00:19:27,545 Speaker 4: What a great show. 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