1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,545 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:19,065 --> 00:00:22,065 Speaker 3: On Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,265 --> 00:00:25,465 Speaker 1: I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel. 6 00:00:25,345 --> 00:00:25,985 Speaker 3: Guilty about it. 7 00:00:29,865 --> 00:00:32,545 Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to you beauty. This is the podcast 8 00:00:32,625 --> 00:00:35,905 Speaker 4: for your face. This is the formula, and I'm Kelly 9 00:00:35,985 --> 00:00:39,185 Speaker 4: McCarran and today you're in for such a treat because 10 00:00:39,345 --> 00:00:44,305 Speaker 4: I've got the absolutely beautiful and outstandingly delightful. 11 00:00:44,025 --> 00:00:45,065 Speaker 1: Peer White Soul here. 12 00:00:45,345 --> 00:00:48,705 Speaker 4: We're not here, actually we're doing it via the television 13 00:00:48,745 --> 00:00:51,305 Speaker 4: because she's over in LA. But we have such a 14 00:00:51,345 --> 00:00:56,145 Speaker 4: beautiful chat about redefining what beauty means and just so 15 00:00:56,265 --> 00:00:57,265 Speaker 4: many incredible things. 16 00:00:57,265 --> 00:00:58,905 Speaker 1: So I hope you enjoyed this conversation. 17 00:00:59,625 --> 00:01:02,025 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skilled. 18 00:01:01,705 --> 00:01:06,145 Speaker 1: But how okay? 19 00:01:06,265 --> 00:01:09,305 Speaker 4: So, Pierre, we are so excited to have you here 20 00:01:09,785 --> 00:01:13,345 Speaker 4: New Beauty. You started in the industry by winning Dolly 21 00:01:13,385 --> 00:01:16,265 Speaker 4: modeling competition as a teenager. Then you went on to 22 00:01:16,505 --> 00:01:20,105 Speaker 4: being Home and Away, and then you are now an ambassador. 23 00:01:20,105 --> 00:01:22,185 Speaker 4: You've also done many other things, but you are now 24 00:01:22,225 --> 00:01:24,305 Speaker 4: an ambassador for a global brand. 25 00:01:24,945 --> 00:01:27,305 Speaker 1: How has your relationship with beauty. 26 00:01:26,945 --> 00:01:30,825 Speaker 4: And your appearents evolved from the early Dolly days too. 27 00:01:30,945 --> 00:01:32,545 Speaker 1: Now because you've had quite the career. 28 00:01:32,865 --> 00:01:35,625 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with all of the lived experience that 29 00:01:35,705 --> 00:01:39,265 Speaker 2: I have had in the industry, I think it starts 30 00:01:39,305 --> 00:01:42,385 Speaker 2: becoming a lot less outward and a lot more inward. 31 00:01:42,905 --> 00:01:45,305 Speaker 2: So the way that you take on beauty, the way 32 00:01:45,305 --> 00:01:48,065 Speaker 2: that you take on lifestyle changes, the way that you 33 00:01:48,145 --> 00:01:49,305 Speaker 2: take on health. 34 00:01:49,585 --> 00:01:52,705 Speaker 3: It all starts becoming about, Okay, what makes me feel. 35 00:01:52,425 --> 00:01:55,345 Speaker 2: Good, what's going to make me perform better, what's going 36 00:01:55,385 --> 00:01:57,345 Speaker 2: to give me joy, what's going to fill my cut 37 00:01:57,425 --> 00:01:59,785 Speaker 2: from the inside. And I think that when I was younger, 38 00:02:00,025 --> 00:02:03,385 Speaker 2: obviously in the Dolly days particularly, you know, it's a 39 00:02:03,385 --> 00:02:05,625 Speaker 2: lot more outward. It's about you know, what are people 40 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:08,305 Speaker 2: going to think? And you know, am I going to 41 00:02:08,345 --> 00:02:11,065 Speaker 2: impress this person that way? Or you know what a 42 00:02:11,105 --> 00:02:12,305 Speaker 2: casting director is going to think of? 43 00:02:12,425 --> 00:02:13,025 Speaker 3: Dada da da? 44 00:02:13,025 --> 00:02:15,545 Speaker 2: And it's just it's so much of its outward and 45 00:02:15,745 --> 00:02:19,945 Speaker 2: the validation from external validation was really the thing that 46 00:02:20,025 --> 00:02:22,265 Speaker 2: was driving the ship. But now I think, you know, 47 00:02:22,625 --> 00:02:25,425 Speaker 2: in you know, I'm forty one years old, I just 48 00:02:25,465 --> 00:02:25,985 Speaker 2: don't care. 49 00:02:26,385 --> 00:02:28,985 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just like, I'm just like, what. 50 00:02:28,945 --> 00:02:31,785 Speaker 2: Makes me feel good, what puts a smile on my face, 51 00:02:31,865 --> 00:02:34,305 Speaker 2: what makes my relationships with others better, And so it's 52 00:02:34,345 --> 00:02:37,145 Speaker 2: just it's just a reframing of the way that we 53 00:02:37,425 --> 00:02:40,025 Speaker 2: think of health, beauty, and lifestyle. 54 00:02:40,505 --> 00:02:41,665 Speaker 1: I completely agree. 55 00:02:41,705 --> 00:02:44,545 Speaker 4: And sometimes people will say like, oh, you just seem 56 00:02:44,585 --> 00:02:47,825 Speaker 4: so confident, and I genuinely do think the older you get, 57 00:02:47,905 --> 00:02:50,865 Speaker 4: it's also, as you said, you just don't care, like 58 00:02:51,065 --> 00:02:53,465 Speaker 4: you literally just don't give a fuck what anyone thinks. 59 00:02:53,465 --> 00:02:56,385 Speaker 1: But the younger you are, you do, You're like, oh 60 00:02:56,425 --> 00:02:58,505 Speaker 1: I care, Yeah, that's right. 61 00:02:58,665 --> 00:03:04,585 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you've experienced, I'm assuming, given the industry decades 62 00:03:04,625 --> 00:03:07,305 Speaker 4: of beauty industry pressure from a very young age. Because 63 00:03:07,305 --> 00:03:09,665 Speaker 4: how old were you when you won the Dolly comp 64 00:03:09,745 --> 00:03:13,705 Speaker 4: Titian a teenager fourteen, so that's very young. How did 65 00:03:13,745 --> 00:03:17,585 Speaker 4: that shape your initial perspective on aging compared to now? 66 00:03:17,825 --> 00:03:22,825 Speaker 2: Again, you know, beauty standards were so external. Everything was 67 00:03:22,905 --> 00:03:26,265 Speaker 2: outside of his Everything was about you know, what these 68 00:03:26,905 --> 00:03:30,145 Speaker 2: celebrities look like, or these models, or you know, even 69 00:03:30,265 --> 00:03:33,865 Speaker 2: even people that you love, even your own family, my aunts, 70 00:03:34,105 --> 00:03:35,545 Speaker 2: you know, my aunts who I look up. 71 00:03:35,465 --> 00:03:37,505 Speaker 3: To, my mother who I looked up to, you know. 72 00:03:37,465 --> 00:03:41,185 Speaker 2: Set a high standard of beauty and presentation and you know, 73 00:03:41,945 --> 00:03:46,345 Speaker 2: less stunners. But it was always like trying to get 74 00:03:46,385 --> 00:03:48,585 Speaker 2: to a level and atteen something. 75 00:03:48,345 --> 00:03:52,505 Speaker 3: That is external. And you know, I remember when I 76 00:03:52,545 --> 00:03:53,145 Speaker 3: was young. 77 00:03:53,185 --> 00:03:56,065 Speaker 2: I was obsessed with Christy Turlington, you know, and I 78 00:03:56,105 --> 00:03:58,465 Speaker 2: was obsessed with all the ninety supermodels. I just thought 79 00:03:58,465 --> 00:04:01,865 Speaker 2: that they were just these like studying gorgeous women. And 80 00:04:01,905 --> 00:04:05,585 Speaker 2: then what really changed was when I heard them, you know, speak, 81 00:04:05,825 --> 00:04:08,585 Speaker 2: and when I'd see interviews and they're just so human 82 00:04:08,785 --> 00:04:11,345 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, having their own experience. You know, 83 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:14,465 Speaker 2: they're not waking up like that, they're not jumping out 84 00:04:14,465 --> 00:04:17,225 Speaker 2: of bad feeling like that. They're also on their own 85 00:04:17,305 --> 00:04:20,425 Speaker 2: journeys to you know, wherever they are, whether it's on 86 00:04:20,625 --> 00:04:23,865 Speaker 2: the cover of magazine, catwalk, at home, in their pgs, whatever. 87 00:04:24,465 --> 00:04:26,865 Speaker 2: You know, there's a life that comes with it. And 88 00:04:27,465 --> 00:04:32,145 Speaker 2: I think everything is about like this outward attaining this 89 00:04:32,465 --> 00:04:34,545 Speaker 2: status that you want to get to or this certain 90 00:04:34,705 --> 00:04:36,305 Speaker 2: place that you want to arrive at. 91 00:04:36,345 --> 00:04:37,385 Speaker 3: And then you realize, oh. 92 00:04:37,305 --> 00:04:40,625 Speaker 2: It's actually all about the journey, and you know, all 93 00:04:40,665 --> 00:04:43,225 Speaker 2: of the beauty is in those moments of the journey 94 00:04:43,225 --> 00:04:47,145 Speaker 2: of it. And you know, I mean I've started modeling young, 95 00:04:47,185 --> 00:04:49,265 Speaker 2: but then I also became a mother really young too, 96 00:04:49,385 --> 00:04:51,425 Speaker 2: and that changed everything. 97 00:04:52,025 --> 00:04:56,105 Speaker 4: Yes, And I think that as you get older and 98 00:04:56,145 --> 00:04:59,465 Speaker 4: go through a lot of those like different lived experiences, 99 00:04:59,545 --> 00:05:02,785 Speaker 4: you do realize, as you were saying, it's about doing 100 00:05:02,905 --> 00:05:06,585 Speaker 4: things that give you that instrinsic value rather than the 101 00:05:06,705 --> 00:05:09,585 Speaker 4: extensic stuff, because you realize that it just doesn't matter 102 00:05:09,745 --> 00:05:13,265 Speaker 4: as much. So you have said that you're in your 103 00:05:13,265 --> 00:05:16,225 Speaker 4: forties and you've never felt more comfortable in your skin. 104 00:05:16,905 --> 00:05:19,785 Speaker 1: Talk to us about how that has evolved. 105 00:05:20,025 --> 00:05:23,905 Speaker 4: Would you say that it's something that's happened over the 106 00:05:23,945 --> 00:05:26,505 Speaker 4: past couple of decades, more since you became a mum, 107 00:05:27,145 --> 00:05:31,105 Speaker 4: or more recently as you entered your late thirties and 108 00:05:31,225 --> 00:05:32,465 Speaker 4: stopped caring as much. 109 00:05:32,985 --> 00:05:35,985 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would say definitely becoming a mother, 110 00:05:36,265 --> 00:05:41,305 Speaker 2: and you know, you're outside of yourself in a sense 111 00:05:41,345 --> 00:05:43,905 Speaker 2: that everything is about the baby, and then everything's about 112 00:05:43,945 --> 00:05:46,585 Speaker 2: this child, and then your purpose and your reason for 113 00:05:46,705 --> 00:05:49,705 Speaker 2: being exists in this relationship. 114 00:05:49,825 --> 00:05:52,745 Speaker 3: Right. So then the again, like we said earlier, you 115 00:05:52,825 --> 00:05:53,705 Speaker 3: just don't give a shit. 116 00:05:54,105 --> 00:05:57,505 Speaker 1: You don't have time. You just don't have time. 117 00:05:58,145 --> 00:05:58,945 Speaker 3: Don't have time. 118 00:05:59,105 --> 00:06:03,065 Speaker 2: So that's why, like efficiency, it becomes really important things 119 00:06:03,065 --> 00:06:06,425 Speaker 2: that are simple but effective, things that you know, just work, 120 00:06:06,545 --> 00:06:10,225 Speaker 2: things that you can rely on, you know, products that try, 121 00:06:10,265 --> 00:06:13,185 Speaker 2: true and tested, cut through the bullshit. You don't need 122 00:06:13,185 --> 00:06:15,065 Speaker 2: to even worry about it. You know, you don't have 123 00:06:15,145 --> 00:06:18,745 Speaker 2: time for your you know, one hour skin routine, Like 124 00:06:18,785 --> 00:06:20,665 Speaker 2: it's like no one has the time for that. So 125 00:06:20,705 --> 00:06:23,585 Speaker 2: there's that side of it, and then there's also like 126 00:06:23,865 --> 00:06:26,745 Speaker 2: the beautiful, holistic side of it. It's like you're in 127 00:06:26,945 --> 00:06:30,345 Speaker 2: you know, this exchange and relationship with this child, and 128 00:06:30,385 --> 00:06:31,545 Speaker 2: they don't see you're pretty. 129 00:06:32,305 --> 00:06:36,145 Speaker 3: They don't see any of that, like none of that matters. 130 00:06:36,185 --> 00:06:38,305 Speaker 2: And so the way that you change it in your 131 00:06:38,345 --> 00:06:42,505 Speaker 2: own mind, you know, the self worth, the confidence, the 132 00:06:42,625 --> 00:06:48,025 Speaker 2: value is no longer associated with what you're projecting outwardly. 133 00:06:47,745 --> 00:06:51,265 Speaker 4: Because they also couldn't care less. As you said, they 134 00:06:51,305 --> 00:06:54,025 Speaker 4: don't know if you're pretty or not because to them 135 00:06:54,585 --> 00:06:57,425 Speaker 4: and especially I mean, I'm sure that people that have 136 00:06:57,545 --> 00:07:00,705 Speaker 4: daughters would say the same. But there's something little boys 137 00:07:00,785 --> 00:07:03,705 Speaker 4: and the obsession that they have with their moms and 138 00:07:03,785 --> 00:07:07,505 Speaker 4: how they think that we are literally the most beautiful, 139 00:07:07,505 --> 00:07:10,785 Speaker 4: exquisite person in the entire world. First thing in the morning, 140 00:07:10,825 --> 00:07:12,985 Speaker 4: when we wake up and look like something that the 141 00:07:13,065 --> 00:07:15,985 Speaker 4: dog vomited, Like they just think that we're the best 142 00:07:16,025 --> 00:07:16,545 Speaker 4: thing ever. 143 00:07:16,905 --> 00:07:20,505 Speaker 2: Like not Fiona, and they're like, oh, yeah, you're the 144 00:07:20,505 --> 00:07:21,665 Speaker 2: best mummy. 145 00:07:23,665 --> 00:07:26,585 Speaker 4: What would you say to that fourteen year old girl 146 00:07:26,625 --> 00:07:30,425 Speaker 4: who won that modeling competition about beauty and self worth? 147 00:07:30,865 --> 00:07:34,865 Speaker 2: I would say to her, you don't even know, you know, 148 00:07:35,785 --> 00:07:38,945 Speaker 2: with maturity and with like I said, just lived experience. 149 00:07:39,505 --> 00:07:40,865 Speaker 3: You learned so much. 150 00:07:40,905 --> 00:07:44,265 Speaker 2: You learn so much about yourself, you learn so much 151 00:07:44,305 --> 00:07:47,585 Speaker 2: about relationship with others, you learn so much about time management. 152 00:07:48,305 --> 00:07:48,505 Speaker 3: You know. 153 00:07:48,585 --> 00:07:50,985 Speaker 2: I would just say to her, you don't know yet, 154 00:07:51,105 --> 00:07:54,105 Speaker 2: but when you do, oh my god, it's glorious when 155 00:07:54,145 --> 00:07:58,025 Speaker 2: it clicks in and you're like, you know, I'm good, 156 00:07:58,985 --> 00:08:01,465 Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's not like a cocky thing. Yeah, 157 00:08:01,505 --> 00:08:02,025 Speaker 2: that's the thing. 158 00:08:02,065 --> 00:08:02,945 Speaker 1: It's confident. 159 00:08:03,265 --> 00:08:06,465 Speaker 3: It's just you've just arrived, Yeah. 160 00:08:06,505 --> 00:08:10,065 Speaker 2: Arrived, and arrived it at being authentic and you're like, 161 00:08:10,425 --> 00:08:11,225 Speaker 2: take it or leave it. 162 00:08:11,785 --> 00:08:14,585 Speaker 4: Do you think if you'd had a daughter and she 163 00:08:14,825 --> 00:08:18,345 Speaker 4: wanted to do a Dolly modeling competition, if it still 164 00:08:18,385 --> 00:08:22,785 Speaker 4: existed when she was that age, knowing everything you did 165 00:08:23,025 --> 00:08:26,105 Speaker 4: later and everything that you'd learned and been through on 166 00:08:26,145 --> 00:08:29,545 Speaker 4: the way, would you have encouraged or discouraged such a 167 00:08:29,625 --> 00:08:31,145 Speaker 4: venture for a fourteen year old. 168 00:08:31,225 --> 00:08:32,185 Speaker 3: I would have discouraged. 169 00:08:34,385 --> 00:08:37,425 Speaker 2: I would have one thousand percent have discouraged that. 170 00:08:37,545 --> 00:08:39,585 Speaker 3: It's interesting. I'm going through this at the moment with 171 00:08:39,625 --> 00:08:40,105 Speaker 3: my niece. 172 00:08:40,225 --> 00:08:41,945 Speaker 2: I'm sure she won't mind me talking about it, but 173 00:08:42,065 --> 00:08:44,465 Speaker 2: she's she's beautiful, and she's had a lot of knocks 174 00:08:44,465 --> 00:08:47,465 Speaker 2: on the door about modeling, and you know, she's she's 175 00:08:47,505 --> 00:08:49,825 Speaker 2: a teenager and aunt. 176 00:08:49,545 --> 00:08:52,665 Speaker 3: If here is like absolutely. 177 00:08:51,865 --> 00:08:57,305 Speaker 5: Not, Yeah, fish scool, We'll go to UNI, We'll figure 178 00:08:57,305 --> 00:09:00,105 Speaker 5: out what our vocation is in this life, and then 179 00:09:00,185 --> 00:09:05,145 Speaker 5: once we're done there, then we can then for sure, Yeah, absolutely, 180 00:09:05,185 --> 00:09:05,625 Speaker 5: for sure. 181 00:09:05,785 --> 00:09:08,465 Speaker 2: You know, but by then you've got figured out in 182 00:09:08,505 --> 00:09:10,745 Speaker 2: your own mind what it is. 183 00:09:10,665 --> 00:09:13,225 Speaker 4: That you want to do, you know exactly, and you're 184 00:09:13,265 --> 00:09:18,465 Speaker 4: not sort of growing up with so much emphasis on 185 00:09:18,705 --> 00:09:22,025 Speaker 4: what you can offer purely from a physical point of view. 186 00:09:22,265 --> 00:09:22,465 Speaker 3: Yeah. 187 00:09:27,825 --> 00:09:33,385 Speaker 4: So congratulations because you are Olay's newest ambassador and I 188 00:09:33,425 --> 00:09:37,705 Speaker 4: am a recent convert to the collagen peptide cream. Oh 189 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:41,825 Speaker 4: my goodness, it's just so good. I had not used 190 00:09:41,825 --> 00:09:44,785 Speaker 4: Olay for years, Like you know, it was something that 191 00:09:44,825 --> 00:09:46,785 Speaker 4: my mum used growing up. I hadn't used it for years, 192 00:09:46,865 --> 00:09:50,625 Speaker 4: and I'm just so impressed what drew you to the 193 00:09:50,705 --> 00:09:54,025 Speaker 4: Hello Better Me campaign specifically, as I'm sure that you 194 00:09:54,065 --> 00:09:55,905 Speaker 4: would get a lot of job offers coming through, So 195 00:09:55,905 --> 00:09:57,865 Speaker 4: what made you go, you know what, Yes, OLEA, I 196 00:09:57,905 --> 00:09:58,465 Speaker 4: will do this. 197 00:09:58,825 --> 00:10:00,785 Speaker 2: So when I moved here, when I moved to La 198 00:10:01,025 --> 00:10:05,105 Speaker 2: nearly five years ago, now, I took a break from acting, modeling, 199 00:10:05,825 --> 00:10:08,785 Speaker 2: everything really to focus on my kids and to focus 200 00:10:08,785 --> 00:10:10,185 Speaker 2: on lack of bum business. 201 00:10:10,265 --> 00:10:12,745 Speaker 3: And I was like, no, I don't need to do it. 202 00:10:12,865 --> 00:10:15,785 Speaker 2: And then after that hiatus, this job came about and 203 00:10:15,865 --> 00:10:17,505 Speaker 2: I was like, huh interesting. 204 00:10:17,665 --> 00:10:18,665 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm curious. 205 00:10:19,585 --> 00:10:25,825 Speaker 2: It actually sparked my curiosity and something in my brain went, 206 00:10:25,905 --> 00:10:29,105 Speaker 2: oh no, this is tried and true. This is an 207 00:10:29,225 --> 00:10:34,225 Speaker 2: OG product, Like you've seen this in your grandmother's like 208 00:10:34,465 --> 00:10:38,305 Speaker 2: draw in your mother's draw, Like this is OG, Like 209 00:10:38,345 --> 00:10:40,785 Speaker 2: this is the real thing. And so you know, I 210 00:10:41,185 --> 00:10:44,145 Speaker 2: remember using early, like the pump, the cream, I remember 211 00:10:44,185 --> 00:10:44,665 Speaker 2: all of it. 212 00:10:44,945 --> 00:10:46,585 Speaker 3: And when I learned. 213 00:10:46,425 --> 00:10:48,905 Speaker 2: About these products and I started trying them out, I 214 00:10:48,945 --> 00:10:52,785 Speaker 2: was like, oh no, this this I can actually like 215 00:10:52,905 --> 00:10:55,585 Speaker 2: get behind like I'm not just just brooking whatever. 216 00:10:55,785 --> 00:10:59,145 Speaker 3: This was like oh no, this this works. And so 217 00:10:59,225 --> 00:11:01,145 Speaker 3: I was just really excited about it, and I'm like, yeah, 218 00:11:01,185 --> 00:11:01,625 Speaker 3: I'll do it. 219 00:11:01,945 --> 00:11:06,345 Speaker 2: Yeah, the og aspect of it, I was like, oh, 220 00:11:06,425 --> 00:11:08,905 Speaker 2: like I can really speak to this, you know, and 221 00:11:08,985 --> 00:11:13,065 Speaker 2: the ultro Firm serum try it like that they're saying 222 00:11:13,225 --> 00:11:15,305 Speaker 2: is like, you know, it's like a facelift in a 223 00:11:15,305 --> 00:11:18,265 Speaker 2: bottle or whatever. But it literally it's so lightweight and 224 00:11:18,305 --> 00:11:20,985 Speaker 2: it's so effective, and it just it works. It works 225 00:11:21,025 --> 00:11:23,225 Speaker 2: on the makeup, it works as a primer, it works 226 00:11:23,225 --> 00:11:24,225 Speaker 2: as a nighttime thing. 227 00:11:24,305 --> 00:11:27,065 Speaker 3: Like it is good. I see a difference. 228 00:11:27,145 --> 00:11:30,705 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just excited to get behind something that 229 00:11:30,745 --> 00:11:33,105 Speaker 2: I truly believe in and that I see a difference with. 230 00:11:33,545 --> 00:11:35,465 Speaker 3: And again, it's a thing that you. 231 00:11:35,465 --> 00:11:36,945 Speaker 2: Put it on the shelf and then you can get 232 00:11:37,025 --> 00:11:39,265 Speaker 2: rid of a bunch of other stuff that just doesn't. 233 00:11:39,025 --> 00:11:42,625 Speaker 4: Serve exactly and you can pick it up at the pharmacy. 234 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:46,065 Speaker 4: You don't have to go into a Mecca Sack or 235 00:11:46,105 --> 00:11:48,745 Speaker 4: a Data Jones and spend three hundred dollars on a 236 00:11:48,785 --> 00:11:50,545 Speaker 4: serum that you're like, oh, I don't know if it's 237 00:11:50,585 --> 00:11:51,065 Speaker 4: going to work. 238 00:11:51,305 --> 00:11:53,545 Speaker 3: I'm a big pharmacy, you know. 239 00:11:53,705 --> 00:11:57,465 Speaker 2: I love like Maker, I love like alf I love 240 00:11:57,625 --> 00:11:58,265 Speaker 2: Ny eggs. 241 00:11:58,505 --> 00:12:00,545 Speaker 3: I love high low stuff. 242 00:12:00,585 --> 00:12:03,505 Speaker 2: You know, obviously I have a bunch of really luxurious 243 00:12:03,505 --> 00:12:05,425 Speaker 2: things and that's fine, and you know I get given 244 00:12:05,465 --> 00:12:08,145 Speaker 2: a lot of things just in my industry. 245 00:12:08,465 --> 00:12:10,305 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's fun. 246 00:12:10,905 --> 00:12:13,265 Speaker 4: Yeah, always go back to and it's the fun of 247 00:12:13,385 --> 00:12:16,385 Speaker 4: finding really affordable things so that then you can show. 248 00:12:16,465 --> 00:12:20,025 Speaker 4: You know, you might be holding a really beautiful design handbag, 249 00:12:20,065 --> 00:12:23,185 Speaker 4: but then someone's like, oh, and what is on your 250 00:12:23,185 --> 00:12:25,505 Speaker 4: lips and you're like, oh, my goodness, it was twenty dollars. 251 00:12:26,025 --> 00:12:28,225 Speaker 1: You know, I just picked it up my case. It's 252 00:12:28,745 --> 00:12:30,305 Speaker 1: actually sorry you are in la. 253 00:12:30,425 --> 00:12:33,185 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can go down to a CBS and find 254 00:12:33,225 --> 00:12:35,705 Speaker 4: selling four to four dollars, but yeah, twenty dollars in 255 00:12:35,705 --> 00:12:40,305 Speaker 4: Australia is pretty affordable these days. O. The campaign that 256 00:12:40,305 --> 00:12:43,945 Speaker 4: we're talking about, the Hello, Better Me campaign, centers around 257 00:12:44,145 --> 00:12:47,785 Speaker 4: reframing the mirror from self critique to self celebration. 258 00:12:48,705 --> 00:12:49,505 Speaker 1: How has your. 259 00:12:49,345 --> 00:12:53,465 Speaker 4: Own relationship with the mirror changed over the years and 260 00:12:53,545 --> 00:12:56,145 Speaker 4: did it change through COVID when we had to look 261 00:12:56,185 --> 00:12:57,985 Speaker 4: at ourselves a lot more than we used to. 262 00:12:58,385 --> 00:13:01,225 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I've always you know, I don't know. 263 00:13:01,265 --> 00:13:02,745 Speaker 3: I think my mom, we're going. 264 00:13:02,745 --> 00:13:05,145 Speaker 6: To give us some props here because I think she 265 00:13:06,105 --> 00:13:10,025 Speaker 6: always made me feel even when I was muddeling, even 266 00:13:10,065 --> 00:13:11,625 Speaker 6: when I was a little girl, and then you know, 267 00:13:11,665 --> 00:13:13,425 Speaker 6: I was going to castings and I was you know, 268 00:13:13,745 --> 00:13:16,665 Speaker 6: like put up against other girls for jobs or whatever. 269 00:13:16,865 --> 00:13:20,825 Speaker 6: Like she always instilled in me like a real like 270 00:13:20,985 --> 00:13:24,825 Speaker 6: sense of joy in myself. Like she always allowed me to, 271 00:13:24,945 --> 00:13:27,865 Speaker 6: like you know, find the little quirks and the little 272 00:13:27,865 --> 00:13:30,745 Speaker 6: things that made me me and would actually say to me. 273 00:13:30,865 --> 00:13:34,065 Speaker 3: Like go smile at her, Like go smile at her. 274 00:13:34,425 --> 00:13:36,545 Speaker 2: So I always kind of did grow up with this 275 00:13:36,625 --> 00:13:39,505 Speaker 2: sense of like, you know, it's not about the makeup 276 00:13:39,585 --> 00:13:41,385 Speaker 2: and the hair and whatever, even though I've got a 277 00:13:41,425 --> 00:13:43,385 Speaker 2: face full of makeup and my hair is done right now, 278 00:13:43,505 --> 00:13:46,745 Speaker 2: but you know, it's a little quirks that I you know, 279 00:13:47,105 --> 00:13:50,105 Speaker 2: I've always kind of found the funny in and kind 280 00:13:50,145 --> 00:13:53,145 Speaker 2: of found the joy in, and so that has only 281 00:13:53,185 --> 00:13:56,105 Speaker 2: grown deeper, you know, because now I can really take 282 00:13:56,105 --> 00:13:57,225 Speaker 2: the piss out of myself. 283 00:13:57,385 --> 00:13:59,545 Speaker 1: You're Australian at your heart, right, so. 284 00:14:01,385 --> 00:14:04,825 Speaker 2: Now really just now I'm like, I'm brutal, I'm savage, 285 00:14:04,865 --> 00:14:07,985 Speaker 2: But you know it's it's finding the funny in it, 286 00:14:08,065 --> 00:14:10,825 Speaker 2: Like it's it's there is a jaw. There is a joy, 287 00:14:10,905 --> 00:14:13,345 Speaker 2: There is a funny, there is there is you know, 288 00:14:13,505 --> 00:14:15,025 Speaker 2: like a little bit of a. 289 00:14:15,305 --> 00:14:17,985 Speaker 1: You know you kind of lighthearted humor. 290 00:14:18,385 --> 00:14:21,505 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so much more. There's stuff that is really 291 00:14:21,585 --> 00:14:23,305 Speaker 3: you know, serious, and there's stuff that. 292 00:14:23,345 --> 00:14:27,025 Speaker 2: Is really important, and those things, you know, we take 293 00:14:27,065 --> 00:14:27,425 Speaker 2: that way. 294 00:14:27,505 --> 00:14:29,905 Speaker 3: But you know, if you've got like a huge is 295 00:14:29,945 --> 00:14:31,905 Speaker 3: it or you know, like it's in hair or. 296 00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:36,825 Speaker 4: Whatever, funny funny and it doesn't matter, you know, gray hair. 297 00:14:36,745 --> 00:14:39,265 Speaker 3: Like with the tweezing tweezing. 298 00:14:38,905 --> 00:14:42,345 Speaker 4: It out my roots, I'm like, oh no, for goodness, 299 00:14:42,385 --> 00:14:45,545 Speaker 4: none of it matters. And I think sometimes people find 300 00:14:45,585 --> 00:14:48,665 Speaker 4: that a little bit discombobulating if I say something like that. 301 00:14:48,745 --> 00:14:52,105 Speaker 4: You know, we are the biggest beauty podcast in Australia, 302 00:14:52,145 --> 00:14:55,905 Speaker 4: so we talk about beauty, objective beauty and products all 303 00:14:55,945 --> 00:14:59,825 Speaker 4: the time. But it is just also that the joy 304 00:15:00,145 --> 00:15:02,425 Speaker 4: in those little moments, whether it's putting on a lipstick 305 00:15:02,425 --> 00:15:06,065 Speaker 4: and how that makes you feel, but also exactly like 306 00:15:06,105 --> 00:15:08,465 Speaker 4: you said, just still taking the piss and realizing that 307 00:15:08,465 --> 00:15:09,505 Speaker 4: it's not that serious. 308 00:15:09,745 --> 00:15:12,185 Speaker 1: We can be lighthearted about it. It's just fun. 309 00:15:12,625 --> 00:15:15,385 Speaker 3: It is. Obviously, everyone has a different experience in a 310 00:15:15,425 --> 00:15:19,345 Speaker 3: different journey with it. But you know, my experience. 311 00:15:18,825 --> 00:15:22,265 Speaker 2: At the moment is just like I don't know, just 312 00:15:22,265 --> 00:15:24,865 Speaker 2: just enjoying it, having fun with it, taking the pierce, 313 00:15:25,185 --> 00:15:28,065 Speaker 2: you know, being silly whatever. And I actually think, you know, 314 00:15:28,265 --> 00:15:32,305 Speaker 2: I'm turning forty two this year, and I you know. 315 00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:35,665 Speaker 3: I feel like I've arrived. Yeah, you know, oh cool, 316 00:15:35,785 --> 00:15:36,865 Speaker 3: like this is what I look like. 317 00:15:36,905 --> 00:15:39,465 Speaker 2: Great, I'm like, oh shit, a couple of little little 318 00:15:39,505 --> 00:15:42,585 Speaker 2: lines there or but it's like this is it, and 319 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:46,665 Speaker 2: you know, and I love it all. I'm like, I'm 320 00:15:46,705 --> 00:15:50,025 Speaker 2: grateful for it all because it know, all tells the story. 321 00:15:50,305 --> 00:15:50,505 Speaker 2: You know. 322 00:15:50,945 --> 00:15:54,745 Speaker 4: Well, I love that they say that it's not like 323 00:15:54,945 --> 00:15:58,705 Speaker 4: changing that perception from a sign of aging to a 324 00:15:58,785 --> 00:16:02,905 Speaker 4: sign of resilience. Yeah, so they're not just lines on 325 00:16:02,945 --> 00:16:06,465 Speaker 4: your face, like they tell different stories. So what would 326 00:16:06,545 --> 00:16:09,625 Speaker 4: you say are some of your signs of resilience. 327 00:16:10,905 --> 00:16:14,145 Speaker 2: Well, obviously we've got a lot of smile lines around 328 00:16:14,345 --> 00:16:17,145 Speaker 2: around the eyes, you know, so there's been a lot 329 00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,905 Speaker 2: of smiles. And then you know, just I get this 330 00:16:20,105 --> 00:16:24,385 Speaker 2: crazy vein that goes right here right like when I'm 331 00:16:24,465 --> 00:16:27,465 Speaker 2: when I'm angry or when I'm mad, and I remember 332 00:16:27,545 --> 00:16:30,065 Speaker 2: being really insecure about it, like, oh you know, I 333 00:16:30,065 --> 00:16:34,385 Speaker 2: get this vain and my husband was like, it's one 334 00:16:34,425 --> 00:16:38,385 Speaker 2: of the things that I love most about you. Like 335 00:16:38,545 --> 00:16:41,745 Speaker 2: you're kind of you're talking from the inside through your face, 336 00:16:41,825 --> 00:16:42,105 Speaker 2: you know. 337 00:16:42,105 --> 00:16:44,665 Speaker 1: Like we're talking from the vein. The vein is speaking. 338 00:16:45,305 --> 00:16:48,145 Speaker 2: The vein is speaking, and it's like, I'm either like 339 00:16:48,225 --> 00:16:50,985 Speaker 2: it's and it's really easy either when I'm like pissed 340 00:16:51,585 --> 00:16:55,465 Speaker 2: or when I'm like in raptures of laughter. And you know, 341 00:16:55,505 --> 00:16:58,625 Speaker 2: I remember being insecure about it, and now I'm like, 342 00:16:59,225 --> 00:17:02,065 Speaker 2: this is one of those things that it's a funny like. 343 00:17:02,105 --> 00:17:03,905 Speaker 3: Yeah, vein is talking, you know. 344 00:17:04,785 --> 00:17:07,385 Speaker 2: So that's one of you know that doesn't really answer 345 00:17:07,425 --> 00:17:09,625 Speaker 2: the question properly, but it is one of the things 346 00:17:09,945 --> 00:17:12,985 Speaker 2: that actually it's something that I wear on my face, 347 00:17:13,465 --> 00:17:17,305 Speaker 2: on my physical being that I really enjoy it now 348 00:17:17,905 --> 00:17:19,785 Speaker 2: whereas I used to find it, you know, it used 349 00:17:19,785 --> 00:17:19,985 Speaker 2: to be. 350 00:17:19,985 --> 00:17:23,985 Speaker 3: Insecure about it. It's all like you've really got me engaged. 351 00:17:23,705 --> 00:17:26,625 Speaker 4: Because the vein's out. I'm really enjoying this conversation. If 352 00:17:26,625 --> 00:17:29,625 Speaker 4: the vein's out, it's so funny. I actually get exactly 353 00:17:29,665 --> 00:17:33,585 Speaker 4: the same vein. Maybe it's something that and but I 354 00:17:33,665 --> 00:17:37,585 Speaker 4: get mine if I'm really upset about something So if 355 00:17:37,585 --> 00:17:39,785 Speaker 4: I'm on the phone to my sister and I'm crying 356 00:17:39,865 --> 00:17:42,465 Speaker 4: or I'm really upset, she will to lighten the mood. 357 00:17:42,945 --> 00:17:44,865 Speaker 4: And now my mum's in on this joke about my 358 00:17:44,985 --> 00:17:48,305 Speaker 4: vein because it's its own person sometimes and they'll be like, 359 00:17:48,865 --> 00:17:51,065 Speaker 4: how upset are you? On a scale of like where 360 00:17:51,145 --> 00:17:53,945 Speaker 4: is the vein out? Has the vein made its appearance? 361 00:17:55,225 --> 00:17:58,465 Speaker 4: Because it starts making its little wait and then that 362 00:17:58,785 --> 00:18:01,985 Speaker 4: immediately lightens the mood because I just start laughing because 363 00:18:01,985 --> 00:18:03,745 Speaker 4: I'll think, oh goodness, yes, or I'll look in the 364 00:18:03,745 --> 00:18:12,465 Speaker 4: mirror and go, yep, she's she's out, she's pulsating. Can 365 00:18:12,505 --> 00:18:16,665 Speaker 4: you talk us through your beauty routine? So, taking all 366 00:18:16,705 --> 00:18:22,065 Speaker 4: of this into consideration, what like, are you a twenty 367 00:18:22,105 --> 00:18:25,345 Speaker 4: one step skincare gal? I'm assuming no everything that we've 368 00:18:25,345 --> 00:18:28,985 Speaker 4: discussed thus far, but can you talk us through what 369 00:18:29,625 --> 00:18:32,505 Speaker 4: you're sort of doing in the morning nighttime. I know 370 00:18:32,585 --> 00:18:35,105 Speaker 4: you said that you do have someone that does hair 371 00:18:35,145 --> 00:18:38,665 Speaker 4: and makeup for you for occasions, but just what you 372 00:18:38,785 --> 00:18:39,705 Speaker 4: like to do yourself. 373 00:18:40,025 --> 00:18:42,745 Speaker 3: I love a shower, I love a shower routine. 374 00:18:42,825 --> 00:18:44,865 Speaker 1: I mean that's good. You might be a bit sele 375 00:18:45,145 --> 00:18:45,585 Speaker 1: you didn't. 376 00:18:45,745 --> 00:18:48,385 Speaker 3: That's where I like doing my things like I like, 377 00:18:48,625 --> 00:18:49,625 Speaker 3: you know, using like an. 378 00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:51,825 Speaker 2: Exfoliator on my face in the shower, and I like 379 00:18:51,945 --> 00:18:54,305 Speaker 2: using like a body scrub in the shower or like 380 00:18:54,345 --> 00:18:55,305 Speaker 2: a shower oil. 381 00:18:55,945 --> 00:18:57,345 Speaker 3: I do love a shower moment. 382 00:18:57,945 --> 00:19:01,585 Speaker 2: I have like three different facial cleansers that I like 383 00:19:01,745 --> 00:19:03,545 Speaker 2: rotate between or use them all. 384 00:19:03,465 --> 00:19:05,785 Speaker 3: At once, depending on how I'm feeling or how much 385 00:19:05,825 --> 00:19:06,305 Speaker 3: time I have. 386 00:19:06,945 --> 00:19:09,745 Speaker 2: So the shower moment is the moment where it starts 387 00:19:09,745 --> 00:19:11,265 Speaker 2: for me, and then I get out of the shower. 388 00:19:11,585 --> 00:19:14,665 Speaker 3: Then I moisturize. That's where the old lake collajoen or 389 00:19:14,705 --> 00:19:18,385 Speaker 3: the peptide cream comes in. I'm like, yep, moisturize. 390 00:19:18,905 --> 00:19:22,865 Speaker 2: Then I will go pop the coffee on, come back up. 391 00:19:23,545 --> 00:19:26,705 Speaker 3: Then I like to do a daytime under. 392 00:19:26,425 --> 00:19:30,425 Speaker 2: I cream or a serum, and I don't like using 393 00:19:30,425 --> 00:19:32,865 Speaker 2: one with retino obviously during the day, so I just 394 00:19:32,985 --> 00:19:35,505 Speaker 2: use one that's more cooling or like anti puffing. 395 00:19:36,105 --> 00:19:38,585 Speaker 3: At nighttime. I like a Retino one. So that's that, 396 00:19:39,065 --> 00:19:41,905 Speaker 3: and then I go in with like little concealer on spots. 397 00:19:42,145 --> 00:19:45,545 Speaker 2: You know, I've got pigmentation at the moments crazy because 398 00:19:45,825 --> 00:19:50,785 Speaker 2: because summer sum here and malasma above my lips and 399 00:19:50,865 --> 00:19:53,945 Speaker 2: like malasma off here, so I'm like, okay, let's conceal that. 400 00:19:54,705 --> 00:19:56,825 Speaker 2: So this is now we're going into my makeup routine. 401 00:19:56,865 --> 00:19:58,825 Speaker 2: So that's with skin carries. 402 00:19:58,505 --> 00:20:02,545 Speaker 7: One and like very quick shower like and we're ready 403 00:20:02,545 --> 00:20:04,625 Speaker 7: and now we're in makeup and it's just a little 404 00:20:04,665 --> 00:20:08,825 Speaker 7: concealer and then it's bronzer blush. 405 00:20:08,945 --> 00:20:11,305 Speaker 2: It's always it's like I want to look fresh, I 406 00:20:11,305 --> 00:20:14,025 Speaker 2: want to look like I've you know, been awake for hours, 407 00:20:14,065 --> 00:20:14,945 Speaker 2: even though i haven't. 408 00:20:15,145 --> 00:20:16,625 Speaker 3: But then if I've got something. 409 00:20:16,425 --> 00:20:18,265 Speaker 2: Or an event or whatever, then it's always the brown 410 00:20:18,345 --> 00:20:20,745 Speaker 2: eyeliner like that is in the waterline. 411 00:20:21,505 --> 00:20:23,025 Speaker 3: I don't know. I've been doing it since I was 412 00:20:23,025 --> 00:20:25,105 Speaker 3: a kid. It's something that I feel like now is 413 00:20:25,425 --> 00:20:26,385 Speaker 3: my eyes don't look. 414 00:20:26,305 --> 00:20:28,545 Speaker 2: Right if I don't have it in and then eyelash 415 00:20:28,585 --> 00:20:30,625 Speaker 2: curler and then a little bit of macabum lips and 416 00:20:30,625 --> 00:20:31,305 Speaker 2: then I'm out. 417 00:20:31,625 --> 00:20:32,865 Speaker 3: So it is kind of simple. 418 00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:33,505 Speaker 1: I love that. 419 00:20:33,625 --> 00:20:35,865 Speaker 3: Then if I'm going out, then I'll put mascara on. 420 00:20:36,625 --> 00:20:40,185 Speaker 2: Then I'll actually do lipstick lip liner, but otherwise I 421 00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:41,545 Speaker 2: keep it quite simple. 422 00:20:41,825 --> 00:20:44,785 Speaker 4: Do you prefer I mean, sorry to any makeup artists 423 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,865 Speaker 4: that are listening, but would you prefer to do your 424 00:20:46,905 --> 00:20:49,705 Speaker 4: own makeup for special events or have someone else do 425 00:20:49,745 --> 00:20:50,105 Speaker 4: it for you. 426 00:20:51,145 --> 00:20:53,985 Speaker 2: I've done my own makeup for events. I find that, 427 00:20:55,065 --> 00:21:00,305 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, when it photographs photographs differently, it doesn't photograph. Yeah, 428 00:21:00,945 --> 00:21:02,945 Speaker 2: when a makeup artist, I don't know if they do 429 00:21:03,025 --> 00:21:06,745 Speaker 2: different layers of it or you know, they're contouring, they're powdering, 430 00:21:06,865 --> 00:21:10,185 Speaker 2: they're light dark, shade everything. It always looks better when 431 00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:13,105 Speaker 2: a makeup artist does it when there's photos. If it's 432 00:21:13,185 --> 00:21:15,185 Speaker 2: just me at an event and there are no photos, 433 00:21:15,225 --> 00:21:16,745 Speaker 2: I actually prefer my own makeup. 434 00:21:16,985 --> 00:21:20,025 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like I don't know the flash or whatever. 435 00:21:20,065 --> 00:21:23,345 Speaker 2: It's just I think it's like I'm not wearing makeup. 436 00:21:23,545 --> 00:21:27,185 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a combination of they use a lot more 437 00:21:27,225 --> 00:21:30,665 Speaker 4: makeup than we would if we were doing our own makeup, 438 00:21:30,745 --> 00:21:35,425 Speaker 4: and also they use different sorts. Because I could not agree. 439 00:21:35,465 --> 00:21:38,425 Speaker 4: I actually wait prefer my face if I've done my makeup, 440 00:21:38,425 --> 00:21:40,905 Speaker 4: but yeah, if I look at it under really intense 441 00:21:41,025 --> 00:21:43,985 Speaker 4: lights or photos, it tends to look like I'm not 442 00:21:44,025 --> 00:21:47,905 Speaker 4: wearing anything, whereas if a makeup artist does it much better. 443 00:21:48,345 --> 00:21:52,345 Speaker 4: Do you have any moments of glam that stick out 444 00:21:52,385 --> 00:21:55,505 Speaker 4: in your mind? Red carpet moments that you just they're 445 00:21:55,545 --> 00:21:56,905 Speaker 4: your favorites to look back on. 446 00:21:57,265 --> 00:22:00,585 Speaker 1: Yes, actually like what pops out your fodio. 447 00:22:00,745 --> 00:22:04,945 Speaker 2: Yeah. Fortieth birthday, I got this amazing makeup artist from 448 00:22:05,105 --> 00:22:07,385 Speaker 2: La called Diana Shin and. 449 00:22:07,785 --> 00:22:11,825 Speaker 8: She was the first person that ever did because in 450 00:22:11,865 --> 00:22:15,985 Speaker 8: Australia we actually we have incredible makeup artists, but they 451 00:22:16,065 --> 00:22:20,385 Speaker 8: do a really beautiful kind of natural, beachy like undone 452 00:22:20,425 --> 00:22:21,105 Speaker 8: but done. 453 00:22:21,585 --> 00:22:24,345 Speaker 2: Even when I do like full glam for an event 454 00:22:24,505 --> 00:22:28,865 Speaker 2: or something in Australia, it's always it's just classic. It's 455 00:22:28,905 --> 00:22:31,745 Speaker 2: like you know, a winged liner and it's just always clean. 456 00:22:32,745 --> 00:22:36,145 Speaker 2: For my fortieth here in La, we went like full 457 00:22:36,825 --> 00:22:39,465 Speaker 2: like Kardashian makeup right and it was the first time 458 00:22:39,505 --> 00:22:42,505 Speaker 2: I've ever done it, first time I've ever done it, and. 459 00:22:42,465 --> 00:22:47,425 Speaker 3: I didn't know what my face would respond. Like, girl, 460 00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:50,505 Speaker 3: I was like, this is amazing. 461 00:22:50,665 --> 00:22:51,065 Speaker 1: Yeah. 462 00:22:51,105 --> 00:22:54,065 Speaker 2: It was hours and hours and hours, but oh my god, 463 00:22:54,585 --> 00:22:59,465 Speaker 2: the contouring, the like the different levels of contour and 464 00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:02,705 Speaker 2: then the highlighting and then the powder and then the 465 00:23:02,825 --> 00:23:07,585 Speaker 2: overdrawn lip and then the lashes, like it was so extra. 466 00:23:08,265 --> 00:23:11,345 Speaker 2: But I was like, oh, this is a vibe. I mean, 467 00:23:11,385 --> 00:23:14,505 Speaker 2: I'm not going to ever do it again. Fortieth birthday great. 468 00:23:14,665 --> 00:23:17,505 Speaker 2: But it was like I was like, this is cool. 469 00:23:17,305 --> 00:23:20,225 Speaker 1: Yeah, fun to do for something like your fortieth as well. 470 00:23:20,545 --> 00:23:23,585 Speaker 2: It was really like it was almost like costume makeup. 471 00:23:23,705 --> 00:23:25,345 Speaker 1: Yes, well it is like. 472 00:23:26,265 --> 00:23:29,105 Speaker 2: Yeah it was costume makeup. It wasn't like, oh, we're 473 00:23:29,145 --> 00:23:32,625 Speaker 2: making Pierre look like Pierre. It was like, oh, we're 474 00:23:32,625 --> 00:23:35,025 Speaker 2: gonna take Peer's face and just do full. 475 00:23:34,785 --> 00:23:36,585 Speaker 3: Glassy yeah, and it was really cool. 476 00:23:36,745 --> 00:23:39,785 Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, we'll have to include a photo 477 00:23:39,905 --> 00:23:43,465 Speaker 4: in the video so that people can say, because yeah, 478 00:23:43,545 --> 00:23:44,385 Speaker 4: I really want to see it. 479 00:23:44,425 --> 00:23:46,105 Speaker 1: I think that would have looked beautiful. 480 00:23:46,585 --> 00:23:50,105 Speaker 4: And on the what you personally do with your skin 481 00:23:50,385 --> 00:23:53,665 Speaker 4: and like your beauty routine. Are you a lover of 482 00:23:53,705 --> 00:23:57,145 Speaker 4: different treatments? Do you get any different treatments? I personally 483 00:23:57,185 --> 00:23:59,825 Speaker 4: love RF needling, although it's been a while since I've 484 00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:02,345 Speaker 4: had it, But or are you too busy? 485 00:24:02,665 --> 00:24:05,465 Speaker 2: I've got an amazing lady here. She was recommended by 486 00:24:05,465 --> 00:24:07,345 Speaker 2: a bunch of friends and she's awesome. 487 00:24:07,625 --> 00:24:11,025 Speaker 3: But in terms of like needling or anything like that, 488 00:24:11,225 --> 00:24:11,905 Speaker 3: I pigment. 489 00:24:12,065 --> 00:24:13,985 Speaker 2: So I'm one of those people that's when I get 490 00:24:14,185 --> 00:24:15,825 Speaker 2: a cut or even like a. 491 00:24:15,745 --> 00:24:17,865 Speaker 3: Scrape or what like, I scar yeap. 492 00:24:18,105 --> 00:24:20,865 Speaker 6: So I'm really scared about doing anything like that or 493 00:24:20,905 --> 00:24:24,185 Speaker 6: any lasers or anything because I feel like just the 494 00:24:24,345 --> 00:24:27,345 Speaker 6: melanin in my skin will you know. 495 00:24:27,665 --> 00:24:30,945 Speaker 2: And other people have said to me like they're like, oh, 496 00:24:31,225 --> 00:24:32,945 Speaker 2: I'd be afraid to put a laser to it. 497 00:24:32,985 --> 00:24:34,985 Speaker 3: I'm not sure we should do a patch test here. 498 00:24:36,065 --> 00:24:40,665 Speaker 3: So I've just avoided needles and lasers. But yeah, but 499 00:24:40,825 --> 00:24:42,945 Speaker 3: the time will come though where I'm like, all. 500 00:24:42,905 --> 00:24:46,785 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I need some extra help here. 501 00:24:47,065 --> 00:24:49,705 Speaker 2: But for now, I'm like all right, I've avoided it, 502 00:24:49,785 --> 00:24:52,145 Speaker 2: and you know, I mean I do do little bits 503 00:24:52,145 --> 00:24:55,585 Speaker 2: here and there, but in terms of like lasers. 504 00:24:55,065 --> 00:24:59,145 Speaker 1: Like frequent. Yeah, do you like a facial some people 505 00:24:59,185 --> 00:24:59,785 Speaker 1: don't like to. 506 00:24:59,705 --> 00:25:02,105 Speaker 3: Do it's just like you know, they're like ninety minutes. 507 00:25:02,185 --> 00:25:05,425 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get restlessly. 508 00:25:05,625 --> 00:25:10,665 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the beauty things take so long, like nails. Yeah, 509 00:25:10,705 --> 00:25:12,825 Speaker 1: we need, like people need to come up with something 510 00:25:12,865 --> 00:25:13,905 Speaker 1: that's a lot more efficient. 511 00:25:14,825 --> 00:25:15,665 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. 512 00:25:15,825 --> 00:25:18,385 Speaker 2: I do have a red bed though in the house, 513 00:25:18,465 --> 00:25:20,905 Speaker 2: so like a big full body red bed, so I 514 00:25:21,025 --> 00:25:24,145 Speaker 2: read bed a lot. And actually the light therapy is 515 00:25:24,185 --> 00:25:26,705 Speaker 2: a part of the facial that my facialist does, so 516 00:25:26,745 --> 00:25:29,905 Speaker 2: I'm like I'm kind of using my biohack red bed 517 00:25:30,305 --> 00:25:30,985 Speaker 2: to kind of do. 518 00:25:30,945 --> 00:25:31,465 Speaker 3: The whole thing. 519 00:25:31,785 --> 00:25:34,225 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also for it. 520 00:25:34,265 --> 00:25:35,665 Speaker 3: And the red bed is twenty minutes. 521 00:25:35,905 --> 00:25:36,225 Speaker 1: Wow. 522 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:40,625 Speaker 4: It's also meant to be really good for relaxing you 523 00:25:40,625 --> 00:25:44,225 Speaker 4: your sleep, Like I've read so many benefits about having 524 00:25:44,225 --> 00:25:44,745 Speaker 4: one of those. 525 00:25:44,945 --> 00:25:47,025 Speaker 3: I mean, Patrick and I use it all the time. 526 00:25:47,145 --> 00:25:47,985 Speaker 3: Kids use it. 527 00:25:47,705 --> 00:25:51,865 Speaker 2: It's really good for like just cellular renewal and then 528 00:25:51,905 --> 00:25:54,865 Speaker 2: for college and boosting and getting rid of zombie cells 529 00:25:54,865 --> 00:25:57,545 Speaker 2: that are in the body just sitting there stagnant taking 530 00:25:57,625 --> 00:26:00,825 Speaker 2: up room. So that's what they say. Yeah, you know, 531 00:26:01,345 --> 00:26:02,545 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'll believe it. 532 00:26:02,665 --> 00:26:02,865 Speaker 6: Yeah. 533 00:26:04,225 --> 00:26:07,065 Speaker 1: If Brian Johnson recommends something, I'm like, well, it must 534 00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:07,865 Speaker 1: be good. Yeah. 535 00:26:07,905 --> 00:26:09,665 Speaker 3: Andrew Huberman, yeah yeah, yeah. 536 00:26:10,225 --> 00:26:12,425 Speaker 1: If they say that something is good, I'm like, I 537 00:26:12,465 --> 00:26:13,185 Speaker 1: will look into it. 538 00:26:13,225 --> 00:26:15,065 Speaker 3: Then. Yeah. 539 00:26:15,105 --> 00:26:17,785 Speaker 4: Well, we can't thank you enough for sparing your time. 540 00:26:18,345 --> 00:26:19,745 Speaker 4: We know how busy you are and you're also on 541 00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:22,545 Speaker 4: the other side of the world at the moment, so 542 00:26:22,785 --> 00:26:26,305 Speaker 4: thank you so much and hopefully we can catch up 543 00:26:26,305 --> 00:26:30,665 Speaker 4: when you're in Australia for some Oley celebrations later in 544 00:26:30,705 --> 00:26:30,985 Speaker 4: the year. 545 00:26:31,505 --> 00:26:33,665 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. This is really fun. 546 00:26:33,745 --> 00:26:35,345 Speaker 1: Thank you Peer White Cell. 547 00:26:35,385 --> 00:26:38,625 Speaker 4: They're proving the journey from teenage model to a confident 548 00:26:38,665 --> 00:26:41,985 Speaker 4: woman in her forties can completely redefine what beauty means. 549 00:26:42,425 --> 00:26:45,545 Speaker 4: If today's chat has you looking at your own reflection differently, 550 00:26:45,625 --> 00:26:49,345 Speaker 4: seeing signs of resilience instead of just signs of time passing, 551 00:26:49,745 --> 00:26:53,425 Speaker 4: then that's exactly what the whole campaign is about. And 552 00:26:53,745 --> 00:26:57,265 Speaker 4: while we were talking, I didn't want to butt in 553 00:26:57,345 --> 00:26:59,785 Speaker 4: too much, but it was reminding me of I was 554 00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:02,745 Speaker 4: complaining about the lines around my eyes once upon a time, 555 00:27:02,785 --> 00:27:05,425 Speaker 4: and an ex boyfriend goes, Oh, I really like those 556 00:27:05,465 --> 00:27:07,985 Speaker 4: lines around your eyes because they show how happy you are. 557 00:27:08,345 --> 00:27:10,185 Speaker 1: And I just thought that was such a really stuck 558 00:27:10,185 --> 00:27:11,425 Speaker 1: out to me because I just thought it was such 559 00:27:11,425 --> 00:27:13,105 Speaker 1: a special. 560 00:27:12,665 --> 00:27:16,985 Speaker 4: Way to look at lions, and Yeah, you are at 561 00:27:17,025 --> 00:27:18,945 Speaker 4: your most beautiful right here, right now. 562 00:27:19,145 --> 00:27:21,225 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to this episode of 563 00:27:21,265 --> 00:27:21,825 Speaker 1: the Formula. 564 00:27:21,945 --> 00:27:23,985 Speaker 4: I'm Kelly McCarron and I'll be back in your ears 565 00:27:24,025 --> 00:27:25,185 Speaker 4: and eyes next Tuesday. 566 00:27:25,345 --> 00:27:33,705 Speaker 1: Bye.