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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Busy and happy are not the same thing. We too

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Speaker 3: rarely question what makes the heart seeing. We work, then

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Speaker 3: we rest, but rarely we play and often don't realize

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Speaker 3: there's more than one way. So this is a platform

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Speaker 3: to hear and explore the stories of those who found

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Speaker 3: lives They adore, the good, bad and ugly. The best

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Speaker 3: and worst day will bear all the facets of seizing

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Speaker 3: your ya. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah,

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Speaker 3: a lawyer turned funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels

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Speaker 3: to co found matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. CZA

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Speaker 3: is a series of conversations on finding a life you

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Speaker 3: love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment

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Speaker 2: Lovely Neighborhood, Welcome to twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Oh my God, that doesn't even sound like a real thing.

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Speaker 2: How wild that we are a twenty twenty five already.

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Speaker 2: I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas, if you celebrate,

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Speaker 2: and a wonderful Holidays, and that your year is off

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Speaker 2: whose story embodies the idea of beautiful new beginnings, both

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Speaker 1: Expectation management keep it low. Already already close to canceling.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so before we get into any of the story,

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Speaker 4: You've got to work hard to put that doubt monster at.

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Speaker 1: I've watched you grow and blossom into this incredible, amazing

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440
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Speaker 1: looking back at that time, like with what I know now,

441
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: there's this kind of overarching theme of that it's it's

442
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: never as hard as it looks or it's never as

443
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Speaker 1: hard as as it seems to be. And I think

444
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Speaker 1: we do that to ourselves a little bit, just the

445
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Speaker 1: same way I did it today with doing this podcast

446
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: with you. I'm like, oh, you know, it's in my head,

447
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's going to be this really grueling,

448
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: difficult thing for me to do, but it's just our

449
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,479
Speaker 1: mind playing tricks on us. We really have to, you know,

450
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Speaker 1: manage that process a lot more mental rigor.

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And I think we also get scared of

452
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Speaker 2: the concept in its macro form, like all of the steps,

453
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Speaker 2: whereas the only thing you actually have to do is

454
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Speaker 2: the first small step. Yeah, if you don't think about that,

455
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Speaker 2: you just think about the big thing. Yeah, like oh

456
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Speaker 2: my god, the whole thing is scary, but it's like

457
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Speaker 2: you only have to do one day's today's worth of it,

458
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Speaker 2: or the first sentence and then the rest of it came. Yeah.

459
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Speaker 1: And something I've always said is how do you eat

460
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Speaker 1: an elephant?

461
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Speaker 2: And it's one bite at a time. I always those.

462
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Speaker 1: Tasks as like, Okay, how are you going to eat

463
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Speaker 1: the elephant? And just like one bite, Just like think

464
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Speaker 1: of one bite.

465
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Speaker 2: That's it.

466
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Speaker 1: And that's how I've always thought about these big curly

467
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Speaker 1: time where you just like just take one bite.

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard you say that, but I love that

469
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Speaker 2: so much. I thought that about at the start of

470
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Speaker 2: MATCHA that it was like I didn't have to And

471
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Speaker 2: it's actually Nick who helped me with that, because I

472
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: was like, well, how are we going to ship to Afghanistan?

473
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Speaker 2: And he was like, well, babe, we're not even we

474
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: don't even have a business. You don't worry about that.

475
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: Like I was eight bound and steps ahead, and he

476
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Speaker 2: was like, you just need to sell one bag. Once

477
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Speaker 2: you have enough like infrastructure to sell, you can sell tens,

478
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Speaker 2: like just one.

479
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Speaker 4: One, sell one. It's such a good way of thinking

480
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Speaker 4: about it.

481
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Speaker 2: It's an elephant. Yeah, it's the elephant. Yeah. So BCG

482
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Speaker 2: was a an incredibly formative chapter for you, very very

483
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Speaker 2: long hours, very demanding, but hugely like impressive, Like you

484
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Speaker 2: worked in some such cool things and you were like

485
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Speaker 2: constantly traveling around and like what's a common here and there?

486
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Speaker 2: So tell us about that chapter and then how you

487
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Speaker 2: knew when there was a chance to jump.

488
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Speaker 1: It was a crazy two or three years, I guess

489
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Speaker 1: of you know, those early analysts type days. We were

490
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Speaker 1: working ninety hour weeks on projects, often flying to I

491
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: was in Melbourne at the time, planning to Sydney for work,

492
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Speaker 1: and then I was living in Sydney, flying in Melbourne.

493
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Speaker 1: I learned a lot, Like I learned how to use

494
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Speaker 1: Excel pretty really well, pretty well. I'm going to have

495
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: to say that I'm pretty good at it now and

496
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Speaker 1: that all of my colleagues would probably be like, I

497
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: can't believe she could use Excel anyway. Yeah, And It

498
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Speaker 1: was actually the first time in my life where I

499
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Speaker 1: was quite attuned to I know this sounds a bit crazy,

500
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Speaker 1: but it's it planned at the seeds for UFEM. This

501
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: time of my life, I started to think a lot

502
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Speaker 1: about gender inequality. And I know this sounds a bit strange,

503
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Speaker 1: but it was my now husband and partner at the time,

504
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Speaker 1: and we were both in these professional roles doing really

505
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: grueling hours, and I just couldn't help but think that

506
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Speaker 1: it was so much easier for him, and what society

507
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: expected of him was so different to what society expected

508
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Speaker 1: from me as a junior professional. And I could see

509
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Speaker 1: him effortlessly kind of not effortlessly, but a ninety hour

510
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: week for him was a bit different than a nine

511
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Speaker 1: hour week for me because I had a certain level

512
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Speaker 1: of grooming that you have to do every day to

513
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Speaker 1: be at that standard to be professional in the professional

514
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: woman in the workplace we had, you had a lot

515
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: more to think about in terms of like what you're

516
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Speaker 1: wearing on these days as well, like you're presenting in

517
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Speaker 1: senior client meetings, and it's a largely male dominated field.

518
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Speaker 1: There was so much complexity to kind of thinking through

519
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Speaker 1: the day that I knew my husband. Never never, not once,

520
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Speaker 1: so like not showing too much skin, to what color

521
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Speaker 1: you should wear, what type of fabrics should I wear,

522
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Speaker 1: heels should I not? So many micro decisions that I

523
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Speaker 1: think really way down on you, especially when you're really tired.

524
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Speaker 1: And that's pre kids realization, because I don't really think

525
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Speaker 1: equality gender equality ever came. It was never something I

526
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Speaker 1: really considered until that time of my life. And I remember,

527
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Speaker 1: you know, once going in and out of running and

528
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Speaker 1: out of like senior client meetings, and my pants ripped

529
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Speaker 1: because for whatever reason.

530
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Speaker 4: They were not stretchy enough.

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Speaker 1: And I remember thinking what a pain act to go

532
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Speaker 1: and get them repair and dry cleaners and all of

533
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Speaker 1: these things that just added to this to do list

534
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Speaker 1: that almost like sends you off the edge. So it's

535
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Speaker 1: actually back then the early seeds started planting around this.

536
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Speaker 1: This has got to be something better for women that

537
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Speaker 1: are professional women in society that want to have a

538
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Speaker 1: certain level of the way that they come across to

539
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: the world, but also require a high level of comfort functionality.

540
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Speaker 1: Even something so subtle as the temperature of a fabric

541
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Speaker 1: on your body can make a difference of how you

542
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Speaker 1: feel in the day. Is it a cold hand, feel

543
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: or a hot hand feel, so all of these little things.

544
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: That time at BCG. I thought a lot about those things. Actually,

545
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: I was always trying to find what's the edge? How

546
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Speaker 1: can I keep on top of this all when I'm

547
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Speaker 1: already behind compared to my male peers.

548
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Speaker 2: It just felt like that.

549
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know whether that's universal or not, but

550
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: I definitely had that, and looking at my partner at

551
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: the time, it just felt so much easier. I'd always

552
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: wanted to make that leap into a creative field, and

553
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: the best combination I think of creativity and then business

554
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: and retail was going into this fashion space. And I

555
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: knew that having been at BCG for two years. They

556
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of talk about is it time to do an

557
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: MBA or is it time to do a ce comment

558
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Speaker 1: And for me, having done so much study before, I

559
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not the right person.

560
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: For I'm not the right person.

561
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Everyone who's done them it's so much hard work and

562
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: so much fun as well, but it was not for me.

563
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: So they're so supportive that the company itself is so

564
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: supportive at you trying to craft your own journey in

565
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: the business. And at the time I said, I want

566
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: to go overseas. I want to get experience in fashion

567
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Speaker 1: or retail. Can you help me?

568
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 4: And they did.

569
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Speaker 1: I had arranged a two week kind of meeting schedule

570
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Speaker 1: over there with them, and they set up a bunch

571
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Speaker 1: of interviews and I remember going into the airport and

572
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Speaker 1: I was kind of, did this all really flippantly in

573
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Speaker 1: a way like I'd been thinking? Maybe it wasn't flippant.

574
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Speaker 1: Six months of thinking about it, maybe three months of

575
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Speaker 1: planning it and telling talking to people about who can

576
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Speaker 1: I meet for a job in New York? And I

577
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: told my my boyfriend and my husband, and he said, oh,

578
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to go to New York and get

579
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Speaker 1: a job.

580
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Speaker 4: And he's like you are.

581
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, bye, And I'm getting on the plane.

582
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Speaker 4: I've got to New York and go buy.

583
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Speaker 1: The bookstore at the at the airport and pick up

584
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Speaker 1: a book, read it on the way on the plane.

585
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Speaker 1: And I get to arrive in New York and it's

586
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Speaker 1: all very you know, Alicia Keys, and I was.

587
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Speaker 4: Just Cote Jungle, like I'm here, I'm meant to be here.

588
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: I was just one hundred percent believe, but like I

589
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: knew I was meant to be there.

590
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Speaker 4: I was like, this is great. So much energy in

591
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Speaker 4: that city.

592
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: I was like, there are so many things here to do,

593
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: so much to learn. And I walked into one of

594
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Speaker 1: my first interviews, which was interesting because BCG had set

595
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: this up for me through a partner in New York.

596
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: And she said, Oh, I've got an interview, but I

597
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: can't tell you who it's with. And I was like,

598
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: how on earth am I meant to prepare for an

599
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: interview when I can't even know the company? And this

600
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: is obviously me who likes to like over prepare for these.

601
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Speaker 2: Types of things.

602
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Speaker 1: I've walked into the BCG offices and a gentleman walks

603
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Speaker 1: in and he was introduced to me as so. His

604
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: name was Palla Reva and he was the ex head

605
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Speaker 1: of merchandising at Tory Birch.

606
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Speaker 4: And then he sat down.

607
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, have you heard of the brand

608
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Speaker 1: Diane von Furstenberg.

609
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: And I reached into my handbag.

610
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Speaker 1: And pulled out the book that I bought at the airport,

611
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: and it was her memoir, her autobiography, but a complete

612
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: and utter coincidence. I was three quarters of the way

613
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Speaker 1: through the book, I'm like, well.

614
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Speaker 2: As it happened. It happened.

615
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Speaker 4: I got the job, and it was the best time

616
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Speaker 4: of my life.

617
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Speaker 2: It was so much fun. I was just in clover.

618
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Speaker 2: It's like the most extrawd improbable but also probable, amazing,

619
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: serendipitous story. And I think if you had told yourself,

620
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: like back in the T shirt making, you know, six

621
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: year old everny days, that you would end up working

622
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: alongside a pioneering, like globally recognized leading name in fashion,

623
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Speaker 2: like literally not just at Diane von Furstenberg the brand,

624
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: but alongside Diane von Furstenburg, the person in New York.

625
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: Would never have believed it. No way, But like I

626
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: always think, all the dots connect like backwards now they

627
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: all make sense, like everything was leading you to that point.

628
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was so meant to be so fortunate.

629
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: It was so fortunate. It was a dream come true.

630
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Speaker 4: It was my dream job.

631
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Speaker 1: I was twenty six, I think, living in New York

632
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: in the West Village, wearing my wrap dresses to work

633
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: every day, which were just such beautiful garments. I mean,

634
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 1: the story of the rap dress is just so iconic.

635
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: It's the seventies, the feminist movement. We wanted to wear

636
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: like soft jerseys that feel beautiful on the body but

637
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: also feel relaxed and you can move in them and

638
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: they're stretch and it's just such a beautiful story and

639
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: iconic dress. I was so good to get behind it

640
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: and to work in that house of the mass, the

641
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: madness and the wonder and the creativity and the color

642
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: and the fun and the print, and with such brilliant

643
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: people as well.

644
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: I learned so so much there about brand.

645
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Speaker 2: I just remember that chapter being like we'd be facetiming

646
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: and you'd just be like, hold on, Dan and wants

647
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: to give me some apples from my orchid. I'm like,

648
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 2: what the fuck is your Like, I'm just going to

649
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: like an Oscars after party, Like I'm just gonna go.

650
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: I was like, who are you? What did you do

651
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: with my best friend from the summit.

652
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: It was like a different human and it feels like

653
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: a very it's a very long time ago, but it

654
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: was great, what an.

655
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: Amazing and we all went to visit you like one

656
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: hundred million because it was just a chapter and so

657
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: fun but in the true kind of representation of CZDA

658
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: and also what we spoke about so much in Sydney,

659
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: being a big pillar of an overtell and that difference

660
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: and that like some of us have a pivotal moment

661
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: between like that fast pace of life and then the

662
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: slow life, and like what we think of as success

663
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: and the pinnacle of momentum and busy, and I mean

664
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: New York is that that's like the fastest you've ever

665
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: gone and the fastest you'll ever go again. It's amazing,

666
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: But like often there is this inevitable moment where you

667
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: can't keep up with it and where things come into

668
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: very sharp focus. And again serendipitous moments, not the path

669
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: you thought that would happen, totally unexpected, out of the blue.

670
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: What happened out of the blue.

671
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: I started to feel unwell, really strange symptoms, which a

672
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: lot of people early on.

673
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Was like stress, it's stress, it's stress, you're working too much. Yeah,

674
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: we were just like, it's burnout, babe.

675
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: And it was very easy to believe that for a

676
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: long time, and then it just kept going on. I

677
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: remember taking I took myself to Miami for a weekend

678
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: or something to rest, and it just nothing felt right.

679
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: I had all these strange symptoms. I wake up in

680
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: the morning, had lost feelings in my limbs, I was

681
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: having like strange siezures, like in my eyes, really strange headaches,

682
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: all unexplainable, so many other symptoms that I had. I

683
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: remember having a long list of them at the time.

684
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: It was really really hard to work out what was

685
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: going on, and I ended up taking some time off

686
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: work because I eventually did some neurological scans and they

687
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: had found some lesions on my brain which they were

688
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: saying that would lead to a multiple sclerosis diagnosis. And

689
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: at the time I think hearing that, I must have

690
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: been twenty eight, and I was there with my fiancee

691
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: and my family was back in Australia, and I.

692
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 4: Was super scared.

693
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: I took time off work, I took sick leave, and

694
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: I just didn't get I wasn't getting any better.

695
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: I was getting some.

696
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: Treatment at the time in the hospital, and the treatment

697
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. I just started to realize that maybe

698
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: it just didn't feel right. Something didn't feel right. So

699
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: I started going down this path of you know, I

700
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: think when you find out you've got some sort of illness,

701
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: you holistically clean up your life, like you start learning

702
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: about wellness and you clean up your diet. I was

703
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: doing a lot of yoga, all the things that you're

704
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: told to do when you're kind of at a burnout,

705
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I guess, but I think I was more burnt out

706
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: from the stress of thinking I was really sick. So

707
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: one day I think I was reading about maybe mold toxicity,

708
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: and I had someone come in test the apartment for mold,

709
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: and it wasn't that.

710
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 4: And then.

711
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: My sister that's right, came over actually and had the

712
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: same symptoms.

713
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Ash moved into our apartment and within about

714
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, four to six weeks, she starts waking

715
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: up with numb limbs and starting having these strange things

716
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: in her eyes and sieges, just.

717
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Strange like neurology urological type symptoms.

718
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: And it was almost the most validating part of the

719
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: whole journey and being sick, I was like, this isn't me,

720
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: this is external to me. Actually, I hired a x NYPD.

721
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, forensic scientist.

722
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: What is your life? Is that?

723
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: What is that even to come in and do it?

724
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: So obviously it wasn't mold. Is there some other kind

725
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: of substance in the apartment? Because what else could it be? Yeah,

726
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: And I vividly remember I was in the apartment on

727
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: my own at the time, and he did the test.

728
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: He was started to have a reaction even in the apartment.

729
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: Stop it yeah, eyes, itchy eyes or something. He's like,

730
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: there's something going on in here. And I was like, Okay,

731
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: that's scary. I think it was that time. Then I

732
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: was caught up Ashley and I called up Matt and

733
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: we were like, let's get out of here. Don stick

734
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: at an hotel, Let's just get out. Well, let's not

735
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: wait a week for these results to find out.

736
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: What this is. It's something something. Yeah, we get out.

737
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: We book a hotel.

738
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: At the time, I was very much in my real

739
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: health and wellness mode because I was trying to work

740
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: out how to get better.

741
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: I have a story about that letter continue.

742
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 5: I don't know what.

743
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to know what that stories. But it

744
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: was just our funny trip that we had in that

745
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: chapter that was that that's a good one. Yeah. And

746
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: I was coming back from Brooklyn. Actually I was.

747
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: I went to a mushroom workshop on a rooftop farm

748
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn.

749
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: That's right, you wanted to do? Oh my god.

750
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: I was reaching in this time. I was getting pulled

751
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: towards nature. I was like go hiking, go to farms,

752
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: go like it was like some farming.

753
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: It was like remember the Urban Farming Show. I had

754
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: a big urban farming chapter. There are many a waiting,

755
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: many chapters.

756
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: It was so fun though, but it was like I

757
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: needed to be in nature, and I think because New

758
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: York was so not I mean, you have Central Park,

759
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: but we were in we were in downtown, so it's

760
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: not as easily accessible. But Okay, this call from the

761
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: forensic scientist from the NYPD and he says, in my pity,

762
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: and he says, we've found extremely high levels of a

763
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: chemical called methylene chloride in your apartment and wait for it.

764
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: Because you're of child bearing age, I highly recommend you

765
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: get out.

766
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know that double as

767
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: like twenty hild bearing age. Come on. But anyway, that

768
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: was not go back and check the numbers to seriously,

769
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: I'm busy. I'm busy with.

770
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: So that was a huge, like what the moment for us.

771
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: The three of us actually all walked into an emergency

772
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: ward in the hospital in New York and.

773
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 4: They had like the whole team of.

774
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know what, like experts, expert, yeah, forensics

775
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: that come in and we're doing tests on us to

776
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: see if it was going to be something that they

777
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: were going to see in the whole building. For example,

778
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: they would need to be kind of ready for it

779
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: if they're going to have one hundred people come in

780
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: from a building.

781
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: Like the CDC comes in and it's like, why is

782
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: there not a documentary about you? I actually, let's produce

783
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: that twenty five project. Let's do the story. It was

784
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: because your vent, your apartment was like over the vent,

785
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: so why it wasn't the entire building?

786
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: So we never really got to the cruxit.

787
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

788
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: In the US, it's like, great, who are you going

789
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: to sue? And we found that the building was blaming

790
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: the landlord. The landlord was leaving the building. There were

791
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: other factors at play. There could have been a meth

792
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: lab hot in the building here.

793
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: We love that, We love that, which would have also lucrative,

794
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: you know, which could.

795
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: Have completely you know, gone away by the time I

796
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: had to shut down the building. I think for the

797
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: day that we had announced that there was a leak,

798
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: it could have been simple as coming from a dry cleaning.

799
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: And that also brings me back to some of the

800
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: issues I had with dry cleaning, chemicals and things like that.

801
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: So it was such a.

802
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Big, huge moment of like, wow, chemicals did this to us.

803
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: I was almost six months into sick leave in the

805
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: I had taken a lot of time off and I

806
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: was so unwell, and it was such a great finding.

807
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: I was like, this is easy, Like we get out

808
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: of this.

809
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: We get better, and that was my time to I

810
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: went hiking in Portugal, we went to we did our

811
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: wood trip in La so health and wellness and guys.

812
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: We were both I mean, I was like post Africa.

813
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah, it was beautiful that we went through

814
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: major health crisis at a similar time, because yeah, you

815
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: need your bestie to understand why you're like forensically reading

816
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: the ingredients and everything, like it's a buzzkill. Recovery from

817
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: a serious health crisis is a full time job.

818
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 4: It was so much work.

819
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: We were long SMOOTHI long smoothie dolls.

820
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: Like it's it's a drainer. It changes your lifestyle, it's expensive,

821
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: you have to do research, and like to be with

822
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: someone else doing it firstly normalizes it. It makes it

823
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: a lot easier. You're both passionate about the same things,

824
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: but you're also going through that whole detachment of your

825
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: identity from your productivity, and like both of us, our

826
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: brain was reflected, our work was affected. And to go

827
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: on this like liberating trip where we both knew we

828
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: were getting better as well, it was like so positive

829
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: but just so fucking funny that we were like, soa babes,

830
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: do you want to go to like Whole Foods? Which

831
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: is so much fun? But it was like the only

832
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: things that we would do was like Hollo food stores.

833
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: What we really wanted to do.

834
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: That's all we want to do. Sleep well and sleep,

835
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: drink water, be in nature, detox and we were just

836
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: like health and like all the places we went to

837
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: on our list for like, we didn't drink. We were

838
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: just not interested. It was beautiful, but it was I

839
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: think it's so reassuring for anyone. I think there are

840
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 2: many people who probably have had medical scenarios where something

841
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: in their gut is telling them it's not what people

842
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: think it is, or maybe no one knows what it is,

843
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: and that uncertainty, but you knowing it's something like I

844
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of people who feel quite alone

845
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: and isolated when they're in a situation like that.

846
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 4: So isolating. Yeah, you're so isolating.

847
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: You don't even really have the medical profession on your

848
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: side in that sat because you're if there's something inside

849
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: of you saying this isn't right, and you've got doctors

850
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: telling you no, this is what you need to do. Yeah,

851
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: you've got no one. Yeah, like your family obviously want

852
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: to listen to what the doctors say, like they don't,

853
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: we don't know, we're not equipped. It was such a huge,

854
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: like a vindication, Yeah, and just to know. And also

855
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: it does show the gaps in just modern medicine too.

856
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: It was kind of it's a it's a bit of

857
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: a gray area that modern western medicine doesn't really know

858
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: how to treat long term chemical exposures at all. There

859
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: wasn't really anything that doctors could say apart from time

860
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: and be away from the exposure.

861
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even to think that it's only because you

862
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 2: took it upon yourself, because you were like, I don't

863
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: think it's MS. I don't think that's what it is. Like,

864
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people wouldn't necessarily have that gut instinct

865
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: or belief to go and find a detective who could

866
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: like help you find the answer and then to remove yourself, Like,

867
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: if it's kept staying in that apartment, you would have

868
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: kept having the symptanes. So I just remember what just

869
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: huge life affirming relief that was for you. So good.

870
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: But then it led to this beautiful new chapter of

871
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: yours that has embraced the slow life in But it's

872
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: been like the most perfect full circle back to yeah,

873
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: chemical free, yeah, slow living. Yeah, go back to that

874
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: initial observation about what a women missing. Yeah, But before

875
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: we actually get to that, what I love is that

876
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: you had ideas back at Uni. We were like, we

877
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: want to just run a business together. And the names

878
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: that you had in your brain were like you day

879
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: goddesses in ancient Greek figurines of empowered females. And it's

880
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: so funny to me that you had those inklings like

881
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: a decade ago. So U day is short for you deneumonia,

882
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: which is a Greek term for and I'm not saying

883
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: pronouncing it right, but it's a Greek term for the

884
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: idea of fulfillment, which I think is a really good

885
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: way to think of, another way to think of happiness.

886
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: So like we often everyone thinks, oh, I just want

887
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: to be happy, I just want to be happy, But

888
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: I like to say, I think you want to be fulfilled,

889
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: and I think that's so different if you kind of

890
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: switch your mindset to thinking about fulfillment. I've always had

891
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: a really big interest in classical Greek mythology and the language,

892
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: the literature, and there are so many interesting words from

893
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: Greek philosophyics that I think we should be we can

894
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: bring into our lives. And I think that was some

895
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: of the words that we used to talk about back

896
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: at Uni. And I love that that thread has been

897
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: there and now you've found a home for it. And

898
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: I think anyone listening you'll know that threads are coming

899
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: up frequently along the way, and you don't have to

900
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: necessarily have found where they're going to live yet, but

901
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: hold on to them, like write them down. Notice that

902
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: that's where your point of interest is, because now you

903
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: finally they tie together. Yeah, but you couldn't have had

904
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: this idea at nineteen, Like you wouldn't have executed it

905
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: the way you have, and the timing all conspires to

906
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: work out the way it was meant to. But it's

907
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: just so interesting that like even the name you Yeah,

908
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: that's the sort of like origins of that name already

909
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: in your brain a long time ago.

910
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's like, if we think about it, that's

911
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: sixteen years ago.

912
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I said a decade. It's like nearly two.

913
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: It's nearly too.

914
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: We keep thinking we're younger. I think I'm not. What

915
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: are we were the two kids embarrassing people, stare at me,

916
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: Stop looking at me, Stop looking at me. So it's

917
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: born about this beautiful about.

918
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: So she is the name itself. She's a Greek goddess

919
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: and she is actually one of Zeus's granddaughters, and she

920
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: was well known for supporting other women.

921
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: There you go.

922
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: So she was calling out to us, my sister and

923
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: I because I think we had always had this idea

924
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: that was brewing over the last sixteen or so years

925
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: that there was something out there for us to do

926
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: that required us to call on new fem and support women.

927
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 4: And we really.

928
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: We've really started to, I guess, think about how do

929
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: we alleviate that very magical moment every day that we

930
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: get dressed and make that a moment of beauty and

931
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: joy that inspires you to kind of or propels you

932
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: into your day with strength and wisdom and magnetism. We

933
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: do that with so much. I guess it's a lot

934
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: of knowledge that we're building and over time, knowledge about

935
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: fabrications and knowledge about the chemicals that we use in

936
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: the industry or we don't, but that is that are

937
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: being used and or how we can use. I love

938
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: the intersection of heritage and innovation, like I love thinking

939
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: about these beautiful old heritage mills. Was just at one

940
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: that has been around since eighteen forty two, a French mill.

941
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: I work with one that has been around since sixteen

942
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: sixty three. It's the fifteenth generation, the same family that

943
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: makes these most beautiful wool that is from Australia into

944
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: the most gorgeous fabrics that just really feel different when

945
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: you wear them, and they really there's a certain energy

946
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I think that you can get from being discerning about

947
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: those types of things that can bring you into.

948
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: Your best self.

949
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: So the intersection of heritage and then thinking about innovation.

950
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: So like the set that you're wearing today. I love

951
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: cotton and I love wool. Two favorite by far fibers

952
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: to work with this is cotton crape. And one of

953
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: my bugbears about knitwear and cotton is that one the

954
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: more you wash usually it doesn't really last very long, right,

955
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: like they shrink or they change shape. And then also

956
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: cotton and it hasn't got the best odor resistance compared

957
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: to wool.

958
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 4: So we worked.

959
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: With a Swiss technology company called high Q who co

960
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: developed with Patagonia a botanical treatment. So it's derived from

961
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: peppermint and it is a deodorizer for cottons. So we

962
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: apply that to our cotton crepes, which mean that instead

963
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: of having to wash something maybe every one or two weeks,

964
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: if you're wearing it on a weekly kind of cycle,

965
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: you can stretcher that out to four to six weeks,

966
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: which is so great from so many angles, like from

967
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: your usability. You don't have time to wash all the time.

968
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: You don't want to have to go to dry cleaners

969
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: all the time. You're a busy woman. So I think

970
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: for us, it's marrying these two things, and how do

971
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: we create the most elevated, timeless, comfortable, functional garments that

972
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: we could possibly make for this busy, remarkable woman that

973
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: we dress.

974
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it just I beam with pride every

975
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: time I talk about it, because I know how long

976
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: this has been brewing in your orbit, but how beautifully

977
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: and despite a daily doubt monster that I get. The

978
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: behind the scenes of what you have created is exquisite.

979
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: It is like nothing gets released that hasn't been painstakingly researched,

980
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: like you have gone to literally the ends of the

981
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: earth in an industry that you had never been part

982
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: of to find mills whose supply chain you have complete

983
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: visibility over, and the technical nature of fabrics like I

984
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: thought I understood fast fashion versus slow fashion before, but

985
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: having been alongside and watched you choose fabrics that make

986
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: like it sound, sometimes fashion seems really superficial because it

987
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: just is like what you look like whatever, And then

988
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: you realize, actually, it's so deep, deeply intertwined with your confidence,

989
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: but also with the commodity of time. It's so much

990
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 2: about time. And you spoke about this in Sydney and

991
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: it blew my mind. I had never thought about the

992
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: fact that we're all looking for happiness and wealth and

993
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: health and blah blah blah. But actually there's lots of

994
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: ways to measure our time on this earth. But actually

995
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: the universal thing that we all have that's we have

996
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: the same amount of that's limited is time. It's time,

997
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: and that's being so weaved into every decision you've made.

998
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, time is just the ultimate measure, I think, where

999
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: it is all about how we choose our time, what

1000
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: we do with our time.

1001
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: I think.

1002
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: That for me, when we talk about that moment in

1003
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: the morning getting ready, and I compare myself with our

1004
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: colleague or my partner and how it's ten minutes to

1005
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: get ready for them, what if it's ten minutes for me?

1006
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: And what should that look like? And how can I

1007
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: still feel great and powerful and confident but only taking

1008
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: tens of time? And I think part of that is

1009
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: having that uniform for you. What's your uniform in your mind?

1010
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: Or what does that look like over a week. It's

1011
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: never going to be as simple as it is for

1012
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: how men dress. We have a monthly cycle to deal with, yeah,

1013
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: which changes everything from week to week. So that's another

1014
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: thing that I'm constantly thinking about. Is, for example, you

1015
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: know your last week of your cycle, They're the days

1016
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: where you want to have some stretch in your garments.

1017
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: You want to have breatheability movement in those days. If

1018
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: it's a warm weather, in those days, you want a

1019
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: cold hand feel of the fabric.

1020
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: And the temperature of fabric.

1021
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: The temperature of fabric you need cold hand, feel so

1022
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: so much softness in that one week, even the two

1023
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: weeks so between nobulation and when you get your period.

1024
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: Knowing that when you're getting ready in the morning, there's

1025
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: like lots of tricks that we could kind of you know,

1026
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: you can plan ahead for you, Like I think, I

1027
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: know I'm going to need that type of outfit if

1028
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm traveling that week, because I know that I'm going

1029
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: to feel like that. You ever have those moments when

1030
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: you're traveling and you've packed the wrong thing and I

1031
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: wish I had that, Yeah, And that's because of the

1032
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: tempt to change your cycle.

1033
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: There are so many things at play.

1034
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: But then you move into the first part of your

1035
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: cycle and then it's like confidence where there I want.

1036
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want that. I want it to.

1037
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Feel really polished, sharp. Yeah, I don't necessarily care so

1038
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: much about stretch. Right now, I can deal with that.

1039
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: I can feel strong and powerful without stretching my garment

1040
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: on those days. It's a really complicated thought process that

1041
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: goes into how we get dressed in the morning.

1042
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we take it for granted. I think we

1043
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 2: assume we just pick out stuff and then just chuck

1044
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: it on. But then watching the way that you have

1045
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 2: considered every touch point of someone's lifestyle in the development

1046
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: of each garment, Like the fact that there's washable silk,

1047
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: Like I didn't buy silk before you because I was, like,

1048
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: you have to dry clean it every time you have to.

1049
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: You can't. Like the way that you steam it, like

1050
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: you can't iron it, blah blah blah. And then like

1051
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: the non crushed fabrics, like ironing and steaming and dry

1052
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: cleaning is the bane of my existence, and that you

1053
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: often sacrifice the clean cut of a look of something

1054
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I won't do silk, I won't do whatever,

1055
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: I won't do woolves because they peel or whatever exactly.

1056
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: It kind of removed all those obstacles from exquisite fashion.

1057
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: I mean, ironing is something I think that just has

1058
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: to go. Yeah, like we can make beautifully cut pieces

1059
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: and not iron.

1060
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: I even believe that, for you know, years, fifty years

1061
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: even more, men's shirts have got so much more technology

1062
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: in them to be iron free, non iron but not

1063
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: in women's shirts. And how just kills me because I

1064
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: think there's nothing better than a woman in like a crisp,

1065
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: wide blue striped shirt.

1066
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 4: Just really crisp, lovely. It's very classic.

1067
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: It's very elegant and easy, and we have so many

1068
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: options to my shirts. They're everywhere, but no one wants

1069
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: to iron their shirt.

1070
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: They're high maintenance, high maintenance. I remember you had a

1071
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: beautiful herring bone shirt when you were I think it

1072
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: was like one of the earliest times I've ever seen you.

1073
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: That would have been corporate Freehills days. Yeah, and I

1074
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: was like, mate, I just saw you in trackies like

1075
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: gray on gray with food stains and this clean cuts this,

1076
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: but it was like elevated, like it just transformed. It's

1077
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: very transforming. A white any type of shirt really I love.

1078
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: But the effort that went into that shirt.

1079
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: Effort had time now once once and then it's.

1080
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: Done one and done one.

1081
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: And so that's the men's tailor that we work with

1082
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: on our shirts. And there's so much technology that goes

1083
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: into this that you can't even We just don't see

1084
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: it when we're just buying something off the rack. But

1085
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: what makes a shirt super wrinkly. There's a few things.

1086
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: So there's like the fabric and then there's the seams,

1087
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: so you put it in the wash. The cotton and

1088
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: the seams will pucker, get smaller, get bigger, and that

1089
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: will course it wrinkles. And then there's the fabric too

1090
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: that'll just depending on what fabric is, it'll wrinkle or

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00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: it won't. And we've selected these fabrics that are low wrinkle.

1092
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: And the maker actually puts in special fusings in the

1093
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: seams so that the seams don't fuse the same with

1094
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: the packets, so the collars and the cuffs. So we

1095
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: have a shirt that we can sell that you can

1096
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: put in the wash and hang it up after on

1097
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: a hanger and you can wear it.

1098
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: There's no ironing. I literally like I want to marry you.

1099
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 4: I need more of these.

1100
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: No ironing iron It's got to go.

1101
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: And it's only really now like after having kids kids

1102
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: and your to do list becomes immense.

1103
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, your wardrobe is so low priority, especially with little kids,

1104
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: that we need to be winning those minutes everywhere, Like

1105
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: how can we win those minutes in our day? That's

1106
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: how we win the minutes. Legit, look at this, this

1107
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: is my like filthy nursing bra. You look beautiful. I

1108
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: won the minute because this was on a hangar and

1109
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: I just threw it on gorgeous like but no shit.

1110
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: That is a real life example. I went from like

1111
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: zero to hero in fourteen and a half seconds because

1112
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: of these fabric good I'm glad, like my best friend created.

1113
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: This blows my mind. I don't know how the doubt

1114
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: monster like you are just like incredible, Oh like incredible.

1115
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: Do you look now at what you have created, now

1116
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: that you've done a few collections and know that there

1117
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: are incredibly discerning people who wear a lot of a

1118
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: lot of corporate ware, who can have access to any

1119
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: brand that they like, and they choose yours now repeatedly

1120
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: that you've been around for so long, like proper, like

1121
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: like the governor general proper which amazing corporate like important

1122
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: people whose suits and appearance really matters and who are

1123
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: incredibly busy. How does that feel now knowing they choose

1124
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: your stuff? Like like, it's not us just rebuying it

1125
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: was you went straight to strangers paying money.

1126
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: It's always so flattering, And whenever someone comes back and

1127
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: does their wardrobe haul, I'm just always so flattered, and

1128
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm it's always a nice reminder that something's working and

1129
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: that we can always get better and grow from where

1130
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: we are. There's not a lot of I guess sitting

1131
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: around and thinking and reflecting and ceting, celebrating.

1132
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: Really yet that's the really hard part of it business.

1133
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think we're constantly kind of trying

1134
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: to refine the offering and finding new technologies to bring

1135
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: to women. One that is kind of top of mind

1136
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: at the moment is I've got a bit of a

1137
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: bug bear with polyester.

1138
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: As you might know.

1139
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that you get like a.

1140
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: B in your bonnet and then you're like, I'm just

1141
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to fix this for women everywhere, and I'm like,

1142
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: I love you.

1143
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: My polyester bugbear is a lot more I guess about

1144
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: microplastics in the ocean, and it's also it's such a

1145
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: big issue.

1146
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: Every time you watch.

1147
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: Something with polyester, it's releasing microplastics in the ocean and

1148
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: we're really hurting our sea life. And I think we're

1149
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: very accustomed to buying polyester now because of fast fashion,

1150
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: and there's a certain price point that comes with that.

1151
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: So there's a what I really hope for going like

1152
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: going forward, is how can we continue to offer all

1153
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: of the functionality things like with stretches, distance, but also

1154
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: in natural fibers. So how do we keep leaning into wool,

1155
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: teaching people about how beautiful wool is, how you can

1156
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: wear wool. I'm wearing a wool jacket on a forty

1157
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: degree day in Melbourne.

1158
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: I actually haven't had to delayer. We haven't have we yet, Yeah,

1159
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: because it's breathable. Yeah, and I'm not even that shiny.

1160
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't think we're both shiny. Were a real life example.

1161
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: We are literally walking bill walls right now. You're the

1162
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: best billboard on the most beautiful billboard.

1163
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: So I think teaching about wool those learning more about

1164
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: natural fibers and going back to that space of quality

1165
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: of a quantity. Learning a lot from men's wear too.

1166
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: Men really invest in pieces that they wear over a

1167
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: long time. We women, we do like fashion, which I

1168
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: think is normal, but I think there's a lot more

1169
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: to say that we can do get more longevity out

1170
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: of more investment pieces in our wardrobes.

1171
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: I think we're moving back to the staple wardrobe. We

1172
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: kind of cycle in, you know a couple of items

1173
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: that are more seasonal, but we keep the staple blazers

1174
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: and the staple, like, you know, longer term expensive investment pieces.

1175
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: I think that's becoming more of a thing rather over

1176
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: fast fashion, which is amazing.

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1178
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 2: But another thing that I just want to touch on

1179
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: before we finish is, I mean the impossibility of work

1180
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: life balance at the start of a business, but also

1181
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: with two kids who arrived very close together, and the

1182
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: idea that you know you have made some decisions recently,

1183
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: that there is a constant conflict between what your business

1184
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: needs and what your like wellbeing needs. I can we

1185
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: do six collections a year? Probably not? No, do we

1186
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: want to? Yes? Would it be great? Amazing? But like there, Yeah,

1187
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: what is your take on work life balance and are

1188
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: you getting any at the moment? I mean, we have

1189
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: many bees to each other at least once a day.

1190
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: Gone for women supporting women. Absolutely Ah. I actually I

1191
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: feel like I'm really living my best life at the moment.

1192
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: Was not hard to say out loud, so hard to

1193
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: say this for you. I know I can't live. I

1194
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: just said that I deserve it because you have had

1195
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: like how many years now, and it was amazing, shit show.

1196
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: You're my wonder woman. Every time I complain, I'm like,

1197
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: she has two, she has two, shared them close together,

1198
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: and a business. And I did my business when I

1199
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: had zero, so.

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01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: You have one and a big business too, so like

1201
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: that's a lot to juggle.

1202
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: It's a lot of juggle, same babe, I don't it Okay,

1203
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: So I have probably never felt so fulfilled as I

1204
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: am right now, you Daimonia.

1205
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: It's always like something that is never constant. It stretches

1206
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: and changes every day. Yeah, Like I know for a

1207
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: fact that what my sister and I are doing, like

1208
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: we are so driven.

1209
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 2: Ashley loves the word ikey guy. I love I'm sure

1210
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: you love the guy.

1211
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: It's very isn't it. It's exactly sees the A. Isn't

1212
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: it finding your what drives you every day?

1213
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like your reason to reason to exist, reason

1214
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: to be, your reason to be, reason to Japanese guys.

1215
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: There's a beautiful book about it, Be a Picky Guy.

1216
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: I love that because I feel like I've definitely found

1217
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: my ikey guy. You found it, and now it's just

1218
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: how do you build?

1219
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: I think with a family, it's kind of building process

1220
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: and systems and structure and routine. Yeah, which is so

1221
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: different to pre kid life because you kind of thrive

1222
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: on spontaneity and doing fun things and just traveling here

1223
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: at the drop of a hat.

1224
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but forward to push the boundary because no one

1225
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: suffers when you do.

1226
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I think for now there is I have

1227
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: a balance. It changes, but there is balance there. But

1228
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: because I'm so grounded in what I think we're trying

1229
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: to achieve, it you fem with my like so Ash

1230
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: and I working together every day for the same purpose.

1231
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: And then I have I guess owning your own business

1232
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: is good in the sense that I do have some flexibility.

1233
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: I can pick my kids.

1234
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: Up from KINDI I love them, and I feel like

1235
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: I've started to I think you really need to design

1236
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: your life the way you want it to be.

1237
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 4: It's like it's a design project.

1238
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: It is literally it's an Excel spreadsheets, such as how

1239
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to optimize. So shifted from Excel spreadsheets.

1240
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: To like a big drawing.

1241
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: But I think like designing your life, and I feel

1242
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: like I'm at a in a phase where we're in

1243
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: a nest bubble with little kids two and four, and

1244
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: I've got a cute little veggie patch which I love

1245
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: and that gives me joy on my Sundays, and I

1246
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: chat to you and my other good friends on the

1247
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: phone whenever I get a spare moment that we're not

1248
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: with kids, and that's.

1249
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: Like once a quarter. So yeah, yelling at each other

1250
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: through like screaming babies.

1251
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's the first time in my life where

1252
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: I haven't felt the need for holidays and things like that,

1253
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: which is because I feel like I've really designed my

1254
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: my life at home.

1255
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not to say it's no.

1256
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: It is so hard with kids, right, Like it's unbelievably hard,

1257
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: but it's still very fulfilling fulfillment.

1258
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you found you found your ya.

1259
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: You are for now I am seizing my AA and

1260
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: I know it's going to change, but for now I am.

1261
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I need a whole separate episode on working

1262
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: with your sister, working with family, more on like the

1263
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: fact that I haven't even mentioned that you also tried

1264
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: to do medicine at one point. I'll put that in

1265
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: the in and out it. There's so much more, and

1266
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 2: then friendship and then friendship evolutions into motherhood, and then

1267
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: we could do a whole season baby episode on the

1268
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 2: motherhood juggle. There is so much mother whole juggle is big,

1269
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: that's like it deserves we should we should do one

1270
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: big because you will also allow me through our chat

1271
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: to expose my shoot show, which I don't always let

1272
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: all the way out of the bag.

1273
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 4: I need it. We need to let that out.

1274
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: I think we need to do and I can't pull

1275
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: that out. I think I think we completely think needs

1276
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: to hear it. I mean they see it sometimes. Yeah,

1277
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: just let go of the voice notes just published so much. Yeah,

1278
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: that'd be a great a great time. I need like

1279
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: at least a five part series within my love, but

1280
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: that seems like the perfect place to finish it today

1281
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: because I am just I felt like this needed to

1282
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: live somewhere, and I'm so so you. I'm so honored

1283
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: that you push through the doubt monster today to tell it.

1284
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, because you're incredible and the journey has been

1285
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 2: amazing and you family's exquisite. Thank you.

1286
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 4: I'm it's just so honored to be here.

1287
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I love you.

1288
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: It's funny how when you know someone so well, it's

1289
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: really easy to forget how brilliant they are, especially when

1290
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: you're conversing in baby talk among all your kids climbing

1291
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 2: all over you most of the time. But I I

1292
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: really loved hearing this as much the second time as

1293
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: I did the first airb is just such an extraordinary

1294
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: human being, so talented and doing such amazing things, So

1295
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: it's just been amazing to finally be able to sing

1296
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: her praises on the show and to convince her that

1297
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: it's a story worth telling. Having close friends on the

1298
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 2: show also really exposes my own self doubt and internal chatter,

1299
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 2: which I love because it is too easy to skate

1300
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: over that when you curate your own online story, so

1301
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 2: I kind of like that it throws me in the

1302
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: deep end a little bit as well. You all know

1303
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: it took EB a little bit to quieten the self

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Speaker 2: doubt monster for this one, so even more than usual.

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Speaker 2: Please share the episode if you enjoyed, tagging at UFM

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Speaker 2: dot co, eu p h e M E dot co

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Speaker 2: and check out their incredible range at the link in

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Speaker 2: the show notes. In the meantime, I hope your year

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Speaker 2: is off to a beautiful start, and as always, we

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Speaker 2: love having you involved in planning. So if there's anyone

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Speaker 2: you want to hear from, or anything you want to

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Speaker 2: hear about in any of the segments, please shoot me

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Speaker 2: an email or a DM. You may have seen the

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Speaker 2: very sad, devastating, so crushing news that our dear Ange

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Speaker 2: has moved into State this week. Oh my gosh, I've

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Speaker 2: barely spoken about it in this episode just because it's

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Speaker 2: too painful. It's just too soon, guys, But rest assured

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Speaker 2: she will still be making yeas of our lives appearances,

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Speaker 2: whether remotely or of course, we will be visiting each other.

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Speaker 2: And yes, you have definitely not heard the last from

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Speaker 2: our dear Dear, and seize the baby. We'll be back too.

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Speaker 2: He is to a big, bright and beautiful twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and I hope you

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Speaker 3: Are all seizing your ya