WEBVTT - Unpacking The Olympic Boxing Gender Panic 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mea podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:22.967 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:23.007 --> 0:00:26.167 Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:26.167 --> 0:00:28.407 about on Monday, the fifth of August. 0:00:28.847 --> 0:00:31.527 I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm Mere Friedman. 0:00:31.327 --> 0:00:33.687 And I'm m Vernon filling in for Jesse today. She's 0:00:33.687 --> 0:00:34.367 a bit sick. 0:00:34.767 --> 0:00:37.567 She is a bit sick. Blessed us sending healing vibes 0:00:37.607 --> 0:00:41.607 your way, my friend. On today's show, how a very 0:00:41.647 --> 0:00:46.287 non expert Olympic roundup, including an apparent gender panic, exes, 0:00:46.367 --> 0:00:48.967 women gold together, and a river of poop. 0:00:49.847 --> 0:00:50.487 I watched so. 0:00:50.527 --> 0:00:53.807 Much Olympics on the weekend. Good It's like my background. 0:00:53.847 --> 0:00:54.807 It's very soothie. 0:00:54.807 --> 0:00:55.647 Are you a sporty girl? 0:00:55.687 --> 0:00:55.887 Now? 0:00:56.407 --> 0:01:00.887 No, but I've got a lot of opinions. 0:01:01.127 --> 0:01:04.887 Also, the Royal Sussexes of Montecito have given their first 0:01:05.047 --> 0:01:08.527 joint interview since that Oprah show, And it's not about 0:01:08.607 --> 0:01:14.367 jam and movie star maths. What George Clooney, Glenn Powell 0:01:14.447 --> 0:01:17.847 and Ryan Gosling have in common that Tom Cruise, Bradley 0:01:17.847 --> 0:01:22.407 Cooper and Ben affleck definitely do not. But first m Vernon. 0:01:22.887 --> 0:01:23.367 In case you. 0:01:23.367 --> 0:01:26.127 Missed it, the real star of the Olympics is a 0:01:26.207 --> 0:01:27.007 chocolate muffin. 0:01:27.207 --> 0:01:30.767 Oh you know, the muffin man, the modern man, the 0:01:30.887 --> 0:01:31.807 muffin Man. 0:01:32.247 --> 0:01:36.047 The Olympic village cafeteria has gone viral on TikTok. Athletes 0:01:36.127 --> 0:01:38.807 are rating and reviewing all the food that's been served 0:01:38.847 --> 0:01:42.807 to them. One athlete in particular, named Henry Christiansen, who's 0:01:42.807 --> 0:01:45.687 on Norwegian distance swimmer, has taken the ranking of. 0:01:45.607 --> 0:01:46.727 The foods very seriously. 0:01:47.247 --> 0:01:49.967 So he gave the village an eleven out of ten 0:01:50.127 --> 0:01:53.967 for their chocolate muffin and has now made over ten 0:01:54.087 --> 0:01:56.367 tiktoks dedicated to the Seth muffin. 0:01:56.607 --> 0:01:58.007 Oh I love him. 0:01:58.167 --> 0:02:01.527 I'm so fascinated by the Olympic dining room. I mean, 0:02:01.527 --> 0:02:03.527 I imagine there's lots of them, because there's you got 0:02:03.567 --> 0:02:07.047 ten thousand athletes or more in the village. But I 0:02:07.087 --> 0:02:10.887 also heard that there's a shortage of protein. Yeah, because 0:02:10.927 --> 0:02:14.727 they tried. The French wanted to contribute a little less 0:02:14.727 --> 0:02:18.407 to global warming by using more plant based proteins. And 0:02:18.447 --> 0:02:22.407 there are some people who aren't happy because there's not enough. 0:02:22.407 --> 0:02:25.327 Like steak no, and they've been going in on like 0:02:25.367 --> 0:02:27.647 all the Pasta's like a lot of it's serve cold. 0:02:27.887 --> 0:02:31.047 We got a car bload if you're trying old. But 0:02:31.127 --> 0:02:33.767 not everyone likes our friend Henrik, who's now called the 0:02:33.807 --> 0:02:36.887 muffin Man. Other atleasts have been making tiktoks going I'm 0:02:36.887 --> 0:02:38.527 trying to get a chocolate muffin, but I think that 0:02:38.607 --> 0:02:41.167 one Norwegian swimmer has taken them all, so he's like 0:02:41.327 --> 0:02:44.607 stashing them, he's hoarding them. He's been commenting on all 0:02:44.607 --> 0:02:46.487 of their tiktoks as well, going you'll never find that. 0:02:46.847 --> 0:02:47.247 Do you know what. 0:02:47.407 --> 0:02:49.327 I've been in trouble a lot of times at buffets 0:02:49.327 --> 0:02:51.167 because I'm often not that hungry in the morning, but 0:02:51.207 --> 0:02:53.727 when you're somewhere and there's a great buffet, I like 0:02:53.847 --> 0:02:57.607 to just grab a few things for later. It always 0:02:57.687 --> 0:03:00.447 mortifies my family that I do this. And one time 0:03:00.487 --> 0:03:02.527 I was at a restaurant and we're having breakfast at 0:03:02.527 --> 0:03:06.007 this hotel and the waiter came over and said, you 0:03:06.127 --> 0:03:09.727 can't take the food, and I went I didn't, and he. 0:03:09.727 --> 0:03:16.927 Said, madam, would you empty your bag please. You might 0:03:16.927 --> 0:03:20.007 have heard that a gender war has broken out at 0:03:20.047 --> 0:03:23.007 the Paris Olympics, you might have seen a picture from 0:03:23.047 --> 0:03:26.927 a boxing final accompanied by a message from perhaps JK 0:03:27.087 --> 0:03:31.087 Rowling jd vance Elon Musk claiming that a man just 0:03:31.167 --> 0:03:33.847 broke a woman's nose in the Olympic boxing ring in 0:03:33.927 --> 0:03:38.447 a natural conclusion of a radical transagenda. So let's unpack 0:03:38.567 --> 0:03:43.127 this a little bit. On Thursday, Paris time, Algerian boxer 0:03:43.327 --> 0:03:49.207 Imane Khalif fought Italian boxer Angela Karini in a boxing heat. Right, 0:03:49.527 --> 0:03:52.007 obviously I am not a boxing expert, but they're in 0:03:52.047 --> 0:03:54.447 weight divisions. They're in the sixty six kilo weight division, 0:03:54.487 --> 0:03:58.807 and they had a boxing match. At forty five seconds, 0:03:59.527 --> 0:04:02.207 Karini pulled out of the fight after a heavy blow 0:04:02.247 --> 0:04:04.807 to the face. She said at the time that she 0:04:04.887 --> 0:04:07.767 had never felt a punch like it, and that's when 0:04:07.807 --> 0:04:12.087 a storm erupted. Because last year, in an unexplained move, 0:04:12.367 --> 0:04:15.527 Khalif was one of two boxers suspended from the World 0:04:15.567 --> 0:04:20.927 Boxing Championships by the International Boxing Association, who cited that 0:04:20.967 --> 0:04:24.007 she and another athlete who's also at the Olympics, a 0:04:24.047 --> 0:04:28.687 Taiwanese boxer called Lynn Uting, had failed the organization's gender 0:04:28.767 --> 0:04:33.327 eligibility test. Now at the time, the IBA, So that's 0:04:33.367 --> 0:04:37.807 the Boxing Association would not disclose what kind of testing 0:04:37.967 --> 0:04:40.887 the women had failed. And it's worth noting that the 0:04:41.007 --> 0:04:45.847 organization itself is under a serious cloud of corruption allegations. 0:04:45.887 --> 0:04:49.647 Well, they've been deregistered and disqualified as a governing body 0:04:49.847 --> 0:04:53.967 because of corruption, bribery, fraud, a whole bunch of things. 0:04:54.007 --> 0:04:57.167 And it's worth noting that this mysterious gender test that 0:04:57.287 --> 0:05:01.847 was conducted on the two boxers happened after Imani, the 0:05:01.967 --> 0:05:05.567 Algerian boxer, beat a Russian boxer. And the IBA, the 0:05:05.727 --> 0:05:10.527 International Boxing Association is run, well, it's. 0:05:10.447 --> 0:05:14.687 President is Russia. Its president is a Russian man who 0:05:14.727 --> 0:05:18.047 is a close ally of Putins. So yes, there's a 0:05:18.087 --> 0:05:21.287 lot of controversy surround the IBA, And as you say, 0:05:21.287 --> 0:05:24.167 the Olympic Committee does not recognize them, nor do lots 0:05:24.207 --> 0:05:26.887 of other like the American Boxing Committee, lots of places don't. 0:05:27.927 --> 0:05:30.647 Just a bit of a sidebar to explain how this works, right, 0:05:30.967 --> 0:05:34.727 the International Olympic Committee no longer runs any gender testing, 0:05:34.927 --> 0:05:38.687 so they don't do gender testing. Individual sports all have 0:05:38.767 --> 0:05:42.167 their own federations and they all have their own different 0:05:42.407 --> 0:05:46.127 rules for gender eligibility. And you probably would understand why 0:05:46.127 --> 0:05:48.847 this has been under a spotlight a lot in recent years. 0:05:48.887 --> 0:05:52.167 There have been some high profile controversies. The swimmers who 0:05:52.207 --> 0:05:56.607 are competing at the Olympics, for example, have all passed 0:05:56.647 --> 0:06:00.087 and fallen in line with the gender eligibility rules of 0:06:00.167 --> 0:06:02.087 the swimming authority. 0:06:01.807 --> 0:06:04.127 And then do the swimming authorready send that to the IOC. 0:06:04.487 --> 0:06:07.127 So the only thing the IOC will check is that 0:06:07.487 --> 0:06:11.087 the athletes their passport matched the gender that they're competing in. 0:06:11.447 --> 0:06:14.807 But you pass the tests by doing it within your 0:06:14.847 --> 0:06:18.327 own sport, and those tests themselves vary depending on what 0:06:18.367 --> 0:06:21.047 your sport is. So it might involve a testosterone test, 0:06:21.447 --> 0:06:23.647 it might involve a raft of other medical tests like 0:06:23.647 --> 0:06:27.127 a physical exam, an ultrasound, a chromosome test. But the 0:06:27.167 --> 0:06:29.607 test that these boxes are alleged to have failed has 0:06:29.687 --> 0:06:33.247 not been no details of it right from this now 0:06:33.367 --> 0:06:38.007 shady organization. So back to Emmani Khalif the story was 0:06:38.047 --> 0:06:40.207 immediately picked up and you would have seen the images 0:06:40.207 --> 0:06:42.087 everywhere as a cultural. 0:06:41.647 --> 0:06:43.727 Issue, and I think, you know, I just want to 0:06:43.927 --> 0:06:46.607 say what I think a lot of people probably saw 0:06:46.887 --> 0:06:50.487 over the weekend, reading a headline, flicking through something on 0:06:50.527 --> 0:06:53.727 social media. It seemed like this was a transgender issue, 0:06:53.927 --> 0:06:57.247 and that it was the two female boxers were trans women. 0:06:57.607 --> 0:06:59.647 That is actually not the case. 0:06:59.767 --> 0:07:03.807 So jd Vance tweeted, this is where Kamala Harris's ideas 0:07:03.847 --> 0:07:06.887 about gender lead to a grown man pommeling a woman 0:07:07.007 --> 0:07:09.927 in a boxing match. This is disgusting. All our leaders 0:07:09.927 --> 0:07:12.607 should condemn it. The problem with this is, well, there 0:07:12.607 --> 0:07:14.887 are many problems with this, but is they're missing something 0:07:15.007 --> 0:07:18.407 very important. There is no evidence at all that Calif 0:07:18.727 --> 0:07:20.847 is not exactly who she says. She is a woman 0:07:20.887 --> 0:07:23.327 who has always boxed as a woman, has had a long, 0:07:23.407 --> 0:07:26.287 long career in women's boxing, and has identified as a 0:07:26.287 --> 0:07:27.287 woman since birth. 0:07:27.447 --> 0:07:30.567 She's lost to women. She has made women just like 0:07:30.647 --> 0:07:32.167 every other athlete. 0:07:32.367 --> 0:07:35.407 The IOC president Thomas Back had to make a statement, 0:07:35.407 --> 0:07:36.367 and this is what he said. 0:07:36.447 --> 0:07:40.367 Let's be very clear here. We are talking about women's boxing, 0:07:41.767 --> 0:07:46.967 and we have her two boxers who were born as 0:07:47.047 --> 0:07:51.807 a woman, who have been raised as a woman, who 0:07:51.887 --> 0:07:56.727 have a passport as a woman, and who have competed 0:07:57.167 --> 0:08:02.807 for many years as woman. And this is the clear 0:08:02.887 --> 0:08:08.007 definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about 0:08:08.047 --> 0:08:14.047 them being a woman. What we see now is that 0:08:15.327 --> 0:08:20.967 some her want to own the definition of who is 0:08:21.007 --> 0:08:21.407 a woman. 0:08:21.847 --> 0:08:23.847 After that match, she went on to win her next 0:08:23.887 --> 0:08:27.127 match against a Hungarian boxer. That was a long drawn 0:08:27.167 --> 0:08:29.647 out match. She won it on points. She broke down 0:08:29.687 --> 0:08:32.647 afterwards because the attention around her has become absolutely hysterical. 0:08:32.647 --> 0:08:35.047 There are lots of reporters talking about the hordes of 0:08:35.127 --> 0:08:38.167 presser at these things. Now you know, obviously she is 0:08:38.367 --> 0:08:41.967 just being absolutely pummeled with questions and no doubt online abuse. 0:08:42.207 --> 0:08:44.487 She broke down in tears after that win, and she said, 0:08:44.847 --> 0:08:47.087 this is a matter of dignity and honor for every 0:08:47.127 --> 0:08:50.407 woman or female. For years, I've been boxing in international 0:08:50.407 --> 0:08:52.927 federation competitions. I want to tell the entire world that 0:08:52.967 --> 0:08:55.687 I am a female and I will remain a female. Mia. 0:08:55.807 --> 0:08:57.807 Is this just a big, ugly distraction. 0:08:58.207 --> 0:08:59.567 It is, and it's devastating. 0:08:59.767 --> 0:09:02.807 My heart goes out to Imiani and to the other 0:09:02.847 --> 0:09:08.687 female boxer, the Italian woman that Amiani bate, who withdrew 0:09:08.727 --> 0:09:12.327 from the man and screamed, it's not fair, it's not fair. 0:09:13.167 --> 0:09:16.327 She then clarified, I was talking about my career ending 0:09:16.367 --> 0:09:19.247 this way. She was very careful. She did not say 0:09:19.247 --> 0:09:22.487 anything about that a money shouldn't have competed. 0:09:22.007 --> 0:09:23.887 Because she's also copying a lot of abuse. 0:09:24.087 --> 0:09:24.407 Yeah. 0:09:24.847 --> 0:09:27.167 I feel so sorry for these athletes, and I think 0:09:27.207 --> 0:09:30.687 that it is such a good example of how people 0:09:30.727 --> 0:09:35.367 will latch onto something and weaponize it to advance a 0:09:35.407 --> 0:09:38.607 cause that they might believe in. The messages in my 0:09:38.687 --> 0:09:41.087 group chats were all like, can someone explain to me 0:09:41.167 --> 0:09:43.407 what this is? Because I thought it was a transgender thing, 0:09:43.647 --> 0:09:45.887 but now I think maybe it's not. But everybody's being 0:09:45.887 --> 0:09:48.807 a little bit opaque about what's going on. I think 0:09:48.807 --> 0:09:50.567 at the heart of it, and if you've watched any 0:09:50.807 --> 0:09:54.047 Olympics or any sport or being to the beach, women 0:09:54.127 --> 0:09:56.807 look a lot of different ways. And if we are 0:09:56.847 --> 0:10:00.567 now going to be looking at women and making judgments 0:10:00.607 --> 0:10:03.167 based on how they look and whether they conform to 0:10:03.327 --> 0:10:05.967 certain stereotypical ideas about what a woman should look like, 0:10:06.767 --> 0:10:11.207 or how they perform, and if they particularly strong or 0:10:11.207 --> 0:10:13.527 particularly good at their sport, which I thought was the 0:10:13.567 --> 0:10:16.487 point of the Olympics, then I think this is just 0:10:16.527 --> 0:10:20.047 the most shocking regressive thing to happen to us. And 0:10:20.087 --> 0:10:22.847 I think it's so important to say this is not 0:10:24.247 --> 0:10:28.327 what people like J. K Rowling and Elon Musk and 0:10:28.407 --> 0:10:30.327 jdie Vans are trying to make you think it is. 0:10:30.407 --> 0:10:32.047 It's not, and these poor women. 0:10:32.367 --> 0:10:34.447 I think it goes beyond the athletes as well. I 0:10:34.447 --> 0:10:37.887 think it's become a full culture thing. Like I have PCOS, 0:10:38.127 --> 0:10:42.047 which means that my testosterone levels are quite high. 0:10:42.167 --> 0:10:45.047 Polycystic ovarian syndrome, Yes, I had that too. I don't 0:10:45.047 --> 0:10:47.447 know if I've got no ovaries anymore, but I had 0:10:47.447 --> 0:10:50.367 that too, and it can What are some of the symptoms, Well. 0:10:50.207 --> 0:10:53.687 Before I was diagnosed. I was diagnosed around fifteen, but 0:10:53.887 --> 0:10:56.607 I had really severe effects from I guess the ages 0:10:56.647 --> 0:10:58.847 of nine up until and then I went on the 0:10:58.887 --> 0:10:59.847 pill and it helped a bit. 0:11:00.007 --> 0:11:01.727 Can have things like facial hair, a. 0:11:01.687 --> 0:11:05.287 Lot of like dark thick facial hair, body hair. My 0:11:05.927 --> 0:11:09.127 voice was deeper. I had like not I guess stereo 0:11:09.247 --> 0:11:12.727 typical woman's body. And at that age I remember like 0:11:12.767 --> 0:11:14.727 the boys in my class because I had more hair 0:11:14.767 --> 0:11:16.407 than them and I had a deeper voice. They would 0:11:16.447 --> 0:11:19.127 ask me, are you a man? And I was probably 0:11:19.207 --> 0:11:22.847 like nine to ten. And then I grew up and 0:11:23.207 --> 0:11:26.607 it felt like every woman understood. Like every woman I 0:11:26.647 --> 0:11:28.207 talked to has been like, oh, yeah, I get facial 0:11:28.247 --> 0:11:30.567 hair as well. Yeah, like it feels like PCOS is 0:11:30.607 --> 0:11:33.327 now being talked about more, and this what happened in 0:11:33.327 --> 0:11:34.887 the boxing ring just shows that it isn't. 0:11:35.487 --> 0:11:38.847 It's also shows the complexity of As I've said before, 0:11:38.887 --> 0:11:42.887 the gender eligibility tests are very complicating because it is 0:11:42.927 --> 0:11:45.847 not as simple as testosterone levels or all kinds of 0:11:45.887 --> 0:11:48.967 different things. So yeah, as Mia said, if you've just 0:11:49.287 --> 0:11:52.287 glanced this story or you've seen some particularly emode of 0:11:52.327 --> 0:11:55.607 imagery being shared around because some of the pictures selection 0:11:55.727 --> 0:11:59.647 has been shocking, shock gemes just always like we've talked 0:11:59.687 --> 0:12:01.687 about rage baiting last week, and this is a bit 0:12:01.727 --> 0:12:04.887 of an example of rage baiting, right, It's like, take 0:12:04.927 --> 0:12:09.167 a breath, see what's really going on? What else is 0:12:09.407 --> 0:12:10.407 happening in the Olympics. 0:12:10.767 --> 0:12:12.967 Well, I thought it would be good to check in 0:12:13.087 --> 0:12:16.207 on the state of the Senn River and all the 0:12:16.247 --> 0:12:18.127 pooh that's been running through it. 0:12:18.167 --> 0:12:19.127 Shouldn't they fix it? 0:12:19.487 --> 0:12:22.407 They spent one and a half billion dollars trying to 0:12:22.407 --> 0:12:25.487 fix it, and the Paris mayor even took a dip 0:12:25.527 --> 0:12:29.607 herself to say nothing to see here the water is safe. 0:12:29.847 --> 0:12:30.527 Oh darling. 0:12:31.007 --> 0:12:33.087 She would have had her mouth close such times like 0:12:33.167 --> 0:12:34.127 don't make me do it? 0:12:34.207 --> 0:12:34.527 Please. 0:12:35.087 --> 0:12:37.007 It's like in Jaws when they were like, you go 0:12:37.167 --> 0:12:39.087 for a swim in that you go for a swim. God, 0:12:39.127 --> 0:12:41.367 I'll show everybody that the beach is safe. 0:12:41.087 --> 0:12:43.207 Out loud As might remember that there was a pooh 0:12:43.207 --> 0:12:46.887 protest by Parisians who were not happy about the Senn 0:12:47.247 --> 0:12:49.367 having all that money spent on it, or perhaps they 0:12:49.407 --> 0:12:52.447 were unhappy about the Olympics coming unclear, but there was 0:12:52.487 --> 0:12:57.167 an organized go poo in the Seinn campaign where you 0:12:57.287 --> 0:12:59.247 got a time where you would have. 0:12:59.167 --> 0:12:59.967 To go anyway. 0:13:01.367 --> 0:13:05.847 So they claimed that it was all okay, but it 0:13:06.447 --> 0:13:08.847 was checked recently and it still has pretty. 0:13:08.727 --> 0:13:10.367 Dangerous high levels of E. 0:13:10.527 --> 0:13:14.847 Coli bacteria, which is essentially pooh. 0:13:15.247 --> 0:13:17.127 Now, the triathlon. 0:13:16.607 --> 0:13:19.327 Happened over the last few days and it look it 0:13:19.327 --> 0:13:21.527 didn't go well for a lot of the athletes who 0:13:21.527 --> 0:13:22.527 had to swim in the Sein. 0:13:22.567 --> 0:13:23.367 They had to push it back. 0:13:23.367 --> 0:13:25.567 Originally they did because there was a lot of rain, 0:13:25.607 --> 0:13:27.367 as we saw in the opening ceremony, and a lot 0:13:27.407 --> 0:13:30.007 of stormwater came into the Sein, and we know what 0:13:30.367 --> 0:13:33.767 storm water is full of. So Canadian athlete you might 0:13:33.767 --> 0:13:37.687 have seen this. It's gone viral. His name's Tyler Mislachuk 0:13:37.927 --> 0:13:41.327 and he came in ninth place in the men's triathlon 0:13:41.407 --> 0:13:44.527 earlier this week. He crossed the finish line and immediately 0:13:44.527 --> 0:13:48.407 started vomiting. He said that he started he vomited times. 0:13:48.447 --> 0:13:49.647 I've actually seen for videos of this. 0:13:49.767 --> 0:13:54.327 Yes, there are pictures of something like a Renaissance painting 0:13:54.847 --> 0:13:57.967 or the car park at the Melbourne Cup. It's just 0:13:58.127 --> 0:14:02.447 athletes vomiting lying on the ground. People weren't great in 0:14:02.567 --> 0:14:05.287 terms of how they felt afterwards. But the men's triathlon 0:14:05.487 --> 0:14:08.647 was actually postponed. But something that I just will never 0:14:08.687 --> 0:14:10.727 be able to get out of my mind. One of 0:14:10.767 --> 0:14:14.527 the male triathletes, American Seth Ryder. He said he had 0:14:14.527 --> 0:14:17.447 a special plan this is before it happened, to combat 0:14:17.527 --> 0:14:20.807 all the E coli. He said that he was going 0:14:20.847 --> 0:14:23.607 to try and increase his body's resistance to it. He said, 0:14:23.767 --> 0:14:26.287 we know there's going to be some E coli exposure, 0:14:26.647 --> 0:14:29.527 so I just tried to increase my E coli threshold 0:14:29.767 --> 0:14:32.567 by exposing myself to a bit of E coli in 0:14:32.647 --> 0:14:35.447 my day to day life. And he said it's backed 0:14:35.447 --> 0:14:37.927 by science. Just little things throughout your day, like not 0:14:38.087 --> 0:14:40.607 washing your hands after you go to the bathroom. Oh no, 0:14:40.967 --> 0:14:43.807 so I mean that's Olympic commitment. Eating your own food. 0:14:43.847 --> 0:14:47.367 It sort of acclimatize your body to eating other people's. Now, 0:14:47.407 --> 0:14:49.607 in case you're wondering, the women triathletes did not have 0:14:49.607 --> 0:14:53.047 a better time. In fact, Belgian triathlete Jolly and Vermelin 0:14:53.327 --> 0:14:55.447 made it sound like she'd lived through a horror film. 0:14:55.487 --> 0:14:57.367 She said, while swimming under the bridge, I felt and 0:14:57.407 --> 0:14:59.527 saw things that we shouldn't think about too much. 0:15:00.967 --> 0:15:02.087 She said. I drank a. 0:15:02.007 --> 0:15:04.287 Lot of river water, so well know tomorrow if I'm 0:15:04.327 --> 0:15:06.887 sick or not. It did not taste like sprite. 0:15:08.727 --> 0:15:08.967 Yeah. 0:15:09.887 --> 0:15:12.647 I also with the guy who didn't wash his hands, 0:15:12.687 --> 0:15:14.167 I'm like, was it worth it? Like I don't think 0:15:14.207 --> 0:15:14.647 he played. 0:15:16.887 --> 0:15:17.847 That's the worst. 0:15:18.087 --> 0:15:20.767 I really feel bad for these athletes, especially because they 0:15:20.847 --> 0:15:22.567 had no choice. They just had to do it, like 0:15:22.607 --> 0:15:24.447 hold their breath, Well, you have to hold your breath anyway. 0:15:24.487 --> 0:15:27.847 Well, there's a long distance swim happening I think in 0:15:27.887 --> 0:15:30.527 the next few days, which is going to be really bad. 0:15:30.567 --> 0:15:34.247 I think they should have bought I have a new 0:15:34.487 --> 0:15:39.567 Roman Empire check. Tennis players Katerina Sinakova and Thomas Mahach 0:15:39.967 --> 0:15:43.567 have won gold in the mixed doubles tennis tournament. When 0:15:43.567 --> 0:15:46.447 they won, they embraced each other and kissed. Now this 0:15:46.487 --> 0:15:48.967 is a big deal, Like they kissed on the lips 0:15:49.207 --> 0:15:51.567 because they used to date. They were in a relationship 0:15:51.607 --> 0:15:54.967 for four years, and then they broke up just before 0:15:55.007 --> 0:15:58.647 the Olympics, and it cause like this whole content. They 0:15:58.647 --> 0:16:01.287 break up because they wanted to focus on getting gold 0:16:01.367 --> 0:16:03.007 even though they're playing together. 0:16:03.487 --> 0:16:05.487 I would have thought that breaking up would have been 0:16:05.527 --> 0:16:08.087 a distraction because you've got it like four years. Probably 0:16:08.087 --> 0:16:10.327 they are living together, Like you've got to move, you 0:16:10.407 --> 0:16:11.687 gotta find something that's disruptive. 0:16:11.727 --> 0:16:13.647 Do you think it's like you know how there's a 0:16:13.687 --> 0:16:16.167 sex band that some footballers have to have and stuff 0:16:16.247 --> 0:16:18.927 before they play to like really build up that tension. 0:16:19.207 --> 0:16:21.647 I swear god, these people are so committed. We've got 0:16:21.647 --> 0:16:22.967 one guy eating his own poop. 0:16:23.207 --> 0:16:25.767 You've got another couple who were breaking up just so 0:16:25.807 --> 0:16:26.727 that they can focus. 0:16:26.767 --> 0:16:28.327 It seems like it turned out better for them. 0:16:28.407 --> 0:16:29.447 I think it worked out, guys. 0:16:29.487 --> 0:16:32.407 I think also know if they're like, because everybody is 0:16:32.447 --> 0:16:35.047 obsessed now with whether or not they're getting back together 0:16:35.087 --> 0:16:36.047 because they won gold. 0:16:36.327 --> 0:16:39.087 I think they're together. They haven't confirmed, but they cheekily 0:16:39.127 --> 0:16:42.127 said we love making you guys confused. Oh but they 0:16:42.167 --> 0:16:43.767 said it's private between us. 0:16:43.967 --> 0:16:45.367 They know how to play the game. 0:16:45.687 --> 0:16:47.687 Yeah, but I think this is a reason why you 0:16:47.727 --> 0:16:50.247 never date your colleagues, because this is what happened. They 0:16:50.247 --> 0:16:52.527 could be solely responsible for you getting a gold medal 0:16:52.607 --> 0:16:52.767 or not. 0:16:53.167 --> 0:16:55.927 Oh my god. Years ago, Brent was training this like 0:16:56.447 --> 0:16:58.487 walking team who were doing this really like you know, 0:16:58.527 --> 0:17:00.207 one of those charity walks that goes through the night 0:17:00.247 --> 0:17:02.407 twenty four hours. And there was a couple in it 0:17:02.447 --> 0:17:05.167 and they broke up a week before the war and 0:17:05.207 --> 0:17:06.927 I had to walk together and they had to walk 0:17:06.967 --> 0:17:09.247 together for twenty four hours, and they literally wouldn't walk. 0:17:10.287 --> 0:17:11.487 One of them would be sent to it. 0:17:11.887 --> 0:17:15.567 Can you, Brent, can you tell Sally she's not walking 0:17:15.647 --> 0:17:18.927 fast enough? Well, Brent, could you tell Bobby that he's 0:17:18.967 --> 0:17:21.447 being too greedy with that water and he needs to 0:17:21.447 --> 0:17:22.087 share it around? 0:17:23.087 --> 0:17:24.527 That's what this would be like. 0:17:25.247 --> 0:17:27.767 Imagine the coach of the doubles team and she's like, 0:17:28.167 --> 0:17:30.527 can you tell him that he really needs to pull 0:17:30.567 --> 0:17:32.647 his pants out of his bomb? It's very unflattering. 0:17:32.687 --> 0:17:34.927 Well, I've got a theory about working together as a 0:17:34.967 --> 0:17:37.407 couple who has worked together with I've worked on my 0:17:37.527 --> 0:17:39.247 husband for the last. 0:17:38.767 --> 0:17:39.767 Fifteen or more years. 0:17:40.647 --> 0:17:44.847 Sometimes I wonder if every relationship has got it's like 0:17:45.047 --> 0:17:47.367 how long you can go on your tire right before 0:17:47.447 --> 0:17:51.247 the tire wears out, how long your relationship can go. 0:17:51.407 --> 0:17:52.647 And when you work together. 0:17:53.367 --> 0:17:56.247 I wonder if you just wear it out faster, that 0:17:56.327 --> 0:18:00.887 you get to the end of that period of time faster. 0:18:00.767 --> 0:18:03.567 Like dogies like, yeah, like you burn through it faster. 0:18:03.927 --> 0:18:07.127 I think it works if you have a hard like split. 0:18:07.447 --> 0:18:09.847 What I'm thinking happened with these two was that they 0:18:09.847 --> 0:18:12.567 said it was mutual, but obviously then much break up. 0:18:12.847 --> 0:18:14.527 I think they were in a I think they were 0:18:14.527 --> 0:18:18.047 in a situationship just because they kissed at the end, 0:18:18.327 --> 0:18:21.047 so I think there's been something learning. So I don't 0:18:21.047 --> 0:18:23.247 think they fully broke up when they said they broke up. 0:18:23.447 --> 0:18:26.087 I think they were like, let's just separate for a bit, 0:18:26.167 --> 0:18:27.647 let's see what happens when we win. 0:18:28.527 --> 0:18:31.927 I've certainly been in times where I've just gone, oh, look, 0:18:32.087 --> 0:18:34.727 the relationships not great, but it's just would be too 0:18:34.727 --> 0:18:37.407 complicated to break up because we also work together. 0:18:37.687 --> 0:18:39.447 And then you move past it and then you're like, oh, 0:18:39.447 --> 0:18:40.407 I'm glad I didn't break up. 0:18:40.407 --> 0:18:43.167 I'm surprised they won because if I was her, I'd 0:18:43.167 --> 0:18:45.367 just be going, oh, I wonder if I'm standing okay, 0:18:45.527 --> 0:18:47.807 is he looking at me? Because he'll probably be back 0:18:47.847 --> 0:18:49.607 there right looking and she'll be in the front. 0:18:49.887 --> 0:18:52.727 They can't have had a feel like a really long 0:18:52.807 --> 0:18:55.207 term relationship. They're not thinking about it. 0:18:55.207 --> 0:18:57.087 They're in a situationship, and I think they're back together. 0:18:57.247 --> 0:19:00.007 We've all heard about the Olympic village beds and how 0:19:00.007 --> 0:19:03.807 they're no good for having sex. I hope they celebrated 0:19:03.807 --> 0:19:05.087 their gold with the hotel room. 0:19:05.247 --> 0:19:06.167 I would have been on the floor. 0:19:10.047 --> 0:19:14.607 Let's talk about royals, please, Let's talk about Harry and Meg's. 0:19:14.687 --> 0:19:15.967 Let's talk about. 0:19:15.607 --> 0:19:18.047 All the good things and the good things. 0:19:17.927 --> 0:19:22.807 That makes them. Let's talk about royals. Let's talk about royals. 0:19:23.207 --> 0:19:27.567 Let's talk about royals. Let's talk about royals. 0:19:27.567 --> 0:19:30.807 In Royal News, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have 0:19:30.967 --> 0:19:33.607 still not released any jam. I should say the Duchess 0:19:33.607 --> 0:19:35.727 because I don't think the Duke's involved in the jam. 0:19:36.167 --> 0:19:38.487 I check every day. Yeah, and that's the end of 0:19:38.527 --> 0:19:39.007 the segment. 0:19:40.647 --> 0:19:42.807 All the dog biscuits, I'm keen on the dog biscuits. 0:19:42.887 --> 0:19:46.247 Yeah, Harry and Meghan have actually sat down for their 0:19:46.287 --> 0:19:50.007