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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking

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Speaker 2: about on Monday, the fifth of August.

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm Mere Friedman.

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Speaker 3: And I'm m Vernon filling in for Jesse today. She's

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Speaker 3: a bit sick.

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Speaker 2: She is a bit sick. Blessed us sending healing vibes

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Speaker 2: your way, my friend. On today's show, how a very

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Speaker 2: non expert Olympic roundup, including an apparent gender panic, exes,

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Speaker 2: women gold together, and a river of poop.

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Speaker 1: I watched so.

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Speaker 4: Much Olympics on the weekend. Good It's like my background.

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Speaker 2: It's very soothie.

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Speaker 3: Are you a sporty girl?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 4: No, but I've got a lot of opinions.

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Speaker 2: Also, the Royal Sussexes of Montecito have given their first

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Speaker 2: joint interview since that Oprah show, And it's not about

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Speaker 2: jam and movie star maths. What George Clooney, Glenn Powell

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Speaker 2: and Ryan Gosling have in common that Tom Cruise, Bradley

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Speaker 2: Cooper and Ben affleck definitely do not. But first m Vernon.

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Speaker 2: In case you.

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Speaker 3: Missed it, the real star of the Olympics is a

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Speaker 3: chocolate muffin.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, the muffin man, the modern man, the

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Speaker 3: The Olympic village cafeteria has gone viral on TikTok. Athletes

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Speaker 3: are rating and reviewing all the food that's been served

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Speaker 3: to them. One athlete in particular, named Henry Christiansen, who's

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Speaker 3: on Norwegian distance swimmer, has taken the ranking of.

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Speaker 1: The foods very seriously.

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Speaker 3: So he gave the village an eleven out of ten

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Speaker 3: for their chocolate muffin and has now made over ten

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Speaker 3: tiktoks dedicated to the Seth muffin.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love him.

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Speaker 4: I'm so fascinated by the Olympic dining room. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I imagine there's lots of them, because there's you got

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Speaker 4: also heard that there's a shortage of protein. Yeah, because

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Speaker 4: they tried. The French wanted to contribute a little less

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Speaker 4: to global warming by using more plant based proteins. And

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Speaker 4: there are some people who aren't happy because there's not enough.

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Speaker 3: Like steak no, and they've been going in on like

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Speaker 3: all the Pasta's like a lot of it's serve cold.

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Speaker 3: We got a car bload if you're trying old. But

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Speaker 3: not everyone likes our friend Henrik, who's now called the

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Speaker 3: muffin Man. Other atleasts have been making tiktoks going I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to get a chocolate muffin, but I think that

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Speaker 3: one Norwegian swimmer has taken them all, so he's like

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Speaker 3: stashing them, he's hoarding them. He's been commenting on all

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Speaker 6: Do you know what.

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Speaker 4: I've been in trouble a lot of times at buffets

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Speaker 2: Said, madam, would you empty your bag please. You might

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Speaker 2: have heard that a gender war has broken out at

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Speaker 2: the Paris Olympics, you might have seen a picture from

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Speaker 2: Rowling jd vance Elon Musk claiming that a man just

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Speaker 2: this a little bit. On Thursday, Paris time, Algerian boxer

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Speaker 2: Imane Khalif fought Italian boxer Angela Karini in a boxing heat. Right,

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Speaker 2: obviously I am not a boxing expert, but they're in

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Speaker 2: and they had a boxing match. At forty five seconds,

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Speaker 2: Karini pulled out of the fight after a heavy blow

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Speaker 4: Well, they've been deregistered and disqualified as a governing body

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Speaker 2: the International Olympic Committee no longer runs any gender testing,

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Speaker 2: this has been under a spotlight a lot in recent years.

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Speaker 2: There have been some high profile controversies. The swimmers who

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Speaker 2: But you pass the tests by doing it within your

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Speaker 4: Issue, and I think, you know, I just want to

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Speaker 1: That is actually not the case.

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Speaker 2: So jd Vance tweeted, this is where Kamala Harris's ideas

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Speaker 2: who has always boxed as a woman, has had a long,

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Speaker 1: She's lost to women. She has made women just like

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Speaker 2: The IOC president Thomas Back had to make a statement,

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Speaker 2: and this is what he said.

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Speaker 7: Let's be very clear here. We are talking about women's boxing,

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Speaker 7: and we have her two boxers who were born as

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Speaker 7: for many years as woman. And this is the clear

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Speaker 2: After that match, she went on to win her next

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Speaker 2: afterwards because the attention around her has become absolutely hysterical.

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Speaker 2: just being absolutely pummeled with questions and no doubt online abuse.

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Speaker 2: She broke down in tears after that win, and she said,

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Speaker 2: I am a female and I will remain a female. Mia.

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Speaker 2: Is this just a big, ugly distraction.

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Speaker 1: It is, and it's devastating.

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Speaker 4: My heart goes out to Imiani and to the other

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Speaker 4: She then clarified, I was talking about my career ending

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Speaker 2: Because she's also copying a lot of abuse.

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Speaker 4: I feel so sorry for these athletes, and I think

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Speaker 4: I think it's so important to say this is not

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Speaker 4: jdie Vans are trying to make you think it is.

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Speaker 1: It's not, and these poor women.

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Speaker 3: think it's become a full culture thing. Like I have PCOS,

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Speaker 3: which means that my testosterone levels are quite high.

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Speaker 4: Polycystic ovarian syndrome, Yes, I had that too. I don't

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Speaker 3: Before I was diagnosed. I was diagnosed around fifteen, but

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Speaker 3: Lot of like dark thick facial hair, body hair. My

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Speaker 3: now being talked about more, and this what happened in

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Speaker 2: It's also shows the complexity of As I've said before,

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Speaker 2: It's like in Jaws when they were like, you go

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Speaker 3: Roman Empire check. Tennis players Katerina Sinakova and Thomas Mahach

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's like you know how there's a

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Speaker 1: I swear god, these people are so committed. We've got

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Speaker 4: You've got another couple who were breaking up just so

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Speaker 1: It seems like it turned out better for them.

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Speaker 3: I think it worked out, guys.

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Speaker 2: I think also know if they're like, because everybody is

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Speaker 3: I think they're together. They haven't confirmed, but they cheekily

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Speaker 2: They know how to play the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think this is a reason why you

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Speaker 4: Well, I've got a theory about working together as a

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I wonder if every relationship has got it's like

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Speaker 1: Like dogies like, yeah, like you burn through it faster.

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Speaker 2: We've all heard about the Olympic village beds and how

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Speaker 9: Let's talk about royals, please, Let's talk about Harry and Meg's.

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Speaker 9: Let's talk about.

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Speaker 1: All the good things and the good things.

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Speaker 9: That makes them. Let's talk about royals. Let's talk about royals.

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Speaker 9: Let's talk about royals. Let's talk about royals.

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Speaker 4: In Royal News, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have

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Speaker 3: All the dog biscuits, I'm keen on the dog biscuits.

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Speaker 4: And they've put together this incredibly moving video that they're

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Speaker 10: When you've been through any level of pain or trauma,

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Speaker 10: never want someone else to not be believed. If me voicing

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Speaker 10: of what if it was my daughter now?

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Speaker 4: As captain of the Eye roll is usually when it

440
00:22:02,767 --> 00:22:07,367
Speaker 4: comes to Harry and Meghan stories, I'm not going to

441
00:22:07,407 --> 00:22:10,127
Speaker 4: go down the path of the predictable respons which is

442
00:22:11,047 --> 00:22:12,047
Speaker 4: they should shut up.

443
00:22:12,447 --> 00:22:13,967
Speaker 1: I don't want to be lectured by them.

444
00:22:14,247 --> 00:22:16,807
Speaker 4: Although I don't like being lectured by them, I think

445
00:22:16,847 --> 00:22:19,327
Speaker 4: this is a really great thing to do for them.

446
00:22:19,647 --> 00:22:23,567
Speaker 4: I think that the criticism has been of the psychobabble.

447
00:22:23,607 --> 00:22:25,087
Speaker 4: You could hear a little bit of it there, and

448
00:22:25,087 --> 00:22:27,647
Speaker 4: I should disclose. At the time we're recording this, the

449
00:22:27,687 --> 00:22:30,807
Speaker 4: full interview hasn't been released, so we haven't actually watched

450
00:22:30,847 --> 00:22:32,927
Speaker 4: the whole thing, but we've seen quite a few excerpts

451
00:22:32,927 --> 00:22:37,207
Speaker 4: of it and read some things about it. So I

452
00:22:37,207 --> 00:22:39,887
Speaker 4: think the backlash is predictable. But surely it's a good

453
00:22:39,887 --> 00:22:43,527
Speaker 4: thing whole, right if they're using their voice or is

454
00:22:43,567 --> 00:22:44,127
Speaker 4: it a bad thing?

455
00:22:44,487 --> 00:22:46,327
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a good thing. It's definitely a good thing.

456
00:22:46,607 --> 00:22:49,047
Speaker 2: The thing that's really interesting about I mean, it just

457
00:22:49,087 --> 00:22:53,087
Speaker 2: speaks of Roman Empires. My obsession with the strategy, the

458
00:22:53,127 --> 00:22:55,687
Speaker 2: Sussex strategy is never ending.

459
00:22:55,527 --> 00:22:56,607
Speaker 1: Because do you think it is?

460
00:22:56,647 --> 00:22:59,287
Speaker 2: Because it's multi pronged, right, So this is part of

461
00:22:59,327 --> 00:23:02,487
Speaker 2: the parents network. They've set up this organization. It's part

462
00:23:02,527 --> 00:23:05,087
Speaker 2: of their arch Well Foundation, which is their sort of

463
00:23:05,447 --> 00:23:09,407
Speaker 2: overarching charitable arm. So in their post rural life have

464
00:23:09,487 --> 00:23:13,087
Speaker 2: different sort of quadrants of business. I guess right, they

465
00:23:13,087 --> 00:23:15,607
Speaker 2: have a portfolio. If they do, they have a portfolio

466
00:23:15,687 --> 00:23:18,327
Speaker 2: career exactly that. So they've got their Netflix Steal, which

467
00:23:18,367 --> 00:23:21,167
Speaker 2: was obviously that documentary that made a bajillion dollars for

468
00:23:21,247 --> 00:23:24,567
Speaker 2: Netflix because it was so massive. And Megan has been

469
00:23:24,607 --> 00:23:27,207
Speaker 2: filming a lifestyle series which, oh, oh my god, I

470
00:23:27,287 --> 00:23:29,567
Speaker 2: just cannot wait. That will be a very happy day

471
00:23:29,607 --> 00:23:32,607
Speaker 2: for me when that drops, and very well placed sources.

472
00:23:32,607 --> 00:23:35,087
Speaker 2: So that's close and that it's real. We don't know

473
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Speaker 2: exactly what form it takes.

474
00:23:36,287 --> 00:23:37,167
Speaker 1: Is it a cooking show.

475
00:23:37,287 --> 00:23:39,527
Speaker 2: I don't think it's exactly a cooking show, but everyone's

476
00:23:39,567 --> 00:23:42,607
Speaker 2: just saying a lifestyle story. And I think that probably

477
00:23:42,647 --> 00:23:45,767
Speaker 2: this is where my jam hole will be filled, because

478
00:23:45,847 --> 00:23:48,127
Speaker 2: surely the jam has come with it. So anyway, we've

479
00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:52,727
Speaker 2: got TV production, We've got Harry's book, which remains one

480
00:23:52,767 --> 00:23:54,527
Speaker 2: of the best selling books of all time and is

481
00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:57,087
Speaker 2: just like a money machine, just churning the dollars into

482
00:23:57,127 --> 00:24:00,287
Speaker 2: that house. They've got the jam, which we don't know

483
00:24:00,287 --> 00:24:00,767
Speaker 2: where that is.

484
00:24:01,167 --> 00:24:03,487
Speaker 1: Where do they keep going on these faux royal tours?

485
00:24:03,487 --> 00:24:07,087
Speaker 2: Then another thing, so and then they've got actual right,

486
00:24:07,127 --> 00:24:09,607
Speaker 2: which is their Charitable arm and this is of that,

487
00:24:09,727 --> 00:24:12,727
Speaker 2: the Parents' Network, and also as part of that are

488
00:24:12,767 --> 00:24:17,167
Speaker 2: these sort of outreach tours they're doing. Earlier this year,

489
00:24:17,447 --> 00:24:21,287
Speaker 2: they went on a trip to Nigeria, which was hailed

490
00:24:21,287 --> 00:24:24,607
Speaker 2: a big success actually, and one of the things and

491
00:24:24,687 --> 00:24:26,167
Speaker 2: now whose point of view.

492
00:24:26,007 --> 00:24:27,807
Speaker 1: Like, what was the point of these trips?

493
00:24:27,927 --> 00:24:30,527
Speaker 2: So the point of these trips is and this this

494
00:24:30,607 --> 00:24:33,007
Speaker 2: all folds in together with what they're talking about now.

495
00:24:33,087 --> 00:24:37,007
Speaker 2: Mental health is their thing, right, So they were there

496
00:24:37,727 --> 00:24:41,607
Speaker 2: in Nigeria at the invitation of one of the military

497
00:24:42,047 --> 00:24:47,327
Speaker 2: defense officials because of Harry's connection to the Invictus Games,

498
00:24:47,327 --> 00:24:50,007
Speaker 2: which is another quadrant, right, So they've got the Invictor's Games,

499
00:24:50,567 --> 00:24:53,087
Speaker 2: and so he was invited there. And so while they're

500
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Speaker 2: five quadrants, Yeah, that's not how quadrants work, is it? Anyway,

501
00:24:58,047 --> 00:25:00,487
Speaker 2: everybod who listens to this, No, math's not my thing.

502
00:25:00,647 --> 00:25:02,407
Speaker 2: It's a very complicated pie chart.

503
00:25:02,247 --> 00:25:04,247
Speaker 4: We have going on now, but anyway, we need a

504
00:25:04,247 --> 00:25:05,047
Speaker 4: bigger pie chart.

505
00:25:05,207 --> 00:25:07,927
Speaker 2: In Nigeria, they were also going to lots of youth

506
00:25:07,967 --> 00:25:10,007
Speaker 2: mental health charities and that's they're going to be doing

507
00:25:10,007 --> 00:25:12,527
Speaker 2: in Columbia. So they've been invited to Columbia by the

508
00:25:12,607 --> 00:25:14,527
Speaker 2: vice president and they are going to go for three

509
00:25:14,607 --> 00:25:17,447
Speaker 2: or four days and they are going to visit lots

510
00:25:17,447 --> 00:25:20,407
Speaker 2: of youth mental health services. The idea is obviously to

511
00:25:20,487 --> 00:25:24,447
Speaker 2: raise awareness, raise funds for different charities, and to you know,

512
00:25:24,527 --> 00:25:27,487
Speaker 2: walk their walk. If you go to the Archwell Foundation

513
00:25:27,647 --> 00:25:30,647
Speaker 2: page the Big Laders, it says show up, do good. Now,

514
00:25:31,247 --> 00:25:33,367
Speaker 2: there are parts of the world where they're more welcome

515
00:25:33,407 --> 00:25:35,967
Speaker 2: to show up and do good than others. Right, they

516
00:25:36,007 --> 00:25:40,127
Speaker 2: can't go to England, for example, because a they are

517
00:25:40,927 --> 00:25:43,407
Speaker 2: very on the nose there with the general public. But

518
00:25:43,527 --> 00:25:46,887
Speaker 2: also Harry has stated on the record quite recently he

519
00:25:46,967 --> 00:25:49,847
Speaker 2: will not take Meghan to England because he worries about

520
00:25:49,847 --> 00:25:53,407
Speaker 2: his safety. They don't get proper police protection there. I mean,

521
00:25:53,447 --> 00:25:56,287
Speaker 2: Columbia is not exactly a safe country, guys. I just

522
00:25:56,647 --> 00:25:58,527
Speaker 2: somebody might need to tell them that. I'm sure they know.

523
00:25:58,887 --> 00:26:02,727
Speaker 2: But it's really interesting because obviously Nigeria was deemed a success,

524
00:26:02,887 --> 00:26:05,327
Speaker 2: so they're going to continue this as part of their strategy.

525
00:26:05,367 --> 00:26:07,807
Speaker 2: And it is as you've said, Mire, it's interesting because

526
00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:11,687
Speaker 2: no one else does that. Right. Sometimes a celebrity will

527
00:26:11,727 --> 00:26:14,447
Speaker 2: go and visit a developing nation as part of their

528
00:26:14,447 --> 00:26:19,367
Speaker 2: ambassadorship with the charity, So that's an equivalent, right, Yeah,

529
00:26:19,407 --> 00:26:21,927
Speaker 2: and celebrity goes I work with U NHCR, so I'm

530
00:26:21,927 --> 00:26:24,127
Speaker 2: going to go and visit a refugee camp in X

531
00:26:24,127 --> 00:26:26,527
Speaker 2: and they'll go and do that. But these sort of

532
00:26:26,567 --> 00:26:28,847
Speaker 2: independent rules, there's no other way of looking at them

533
00:26:28,847 --> 00:26:31,367
Speaker 2: than that they are a mini royal tours. All the

534
00:26:31,447 --> 00:26:35,887
Speaker 2: sources say that the King is very irritated by it,

535
00:26:36,047 --> 00:26:39,167
Speaker 2: as are William and Kate, particularly because they can't go

536
00:26:39,247 --> 00:26:41,847
Speaker 2: anywhere at the minute for all their well documented health reasons.

537
00:26:41,847 --> 00:26:44,927
Speaker 4: Although as we know, yes, so it doesn't dumb question.

538
00:26:45,247 --> 00:26:47,767
Speaker 4: Is Columbia Commonwealth country?

539
00:26:48,327 --> 00:26:51,487
Speaker 2: No, No, it's not right. I will double check that.

540
00:26:51,727 --> 00:26:53,887
Speaker 4: And it doesn't mean that royals don't also do tours

541
00:26:53,887 --> 00:26:56,647
Speaker 4: of non Commonwealth countries. They will often to the United

542
00:26:56,687 --> 00:26:57,607
Speaker 4: States for example.

543
00:26:58,007 --> 00:27:00,927
Speaker 2: Yea, and so they'll have to kind of pick and

544
00:27:01,007 --> 00:27:05,607
Speaker 2: choose their destinations carefully. But it's really interesting because this

545
00:27:05,807 --> 00:27:09,007
Speaker 2: parents Network, which is without question a very good and

546
00:27:09,087 --> 00:27:11,927
Speaker 2: very of the moment campaign, because there's a lot of

547
00:27:11,967 --> 00:27:14,927
Speaker 2: talk at the minute about age gating social media, about

548
00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:16,927
Speaker 2: putting a lot of pressure on big tech companies to

549
00:27:17,007 --> 00:27:20,567
Speaker 2: make their platform safer. We'd all remember the hearings where

550
00:27:20,567 --> 00:27:23,927
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg was faced by the grieving parents of children

551
00:27:24,007 --> 00:27:26,887
Speaker 2: lost to social media bullying. And that's what this is.

552
00:27:26,967 --> 00:27:31,007
Speaker 2: So they are making online bullying in particular a big

553
00:27:31,087 --> 00:27:32,607
Speaker 2: part of their charitable arm.

554
00:27:32,807 --> 00:27:33,567
Speaker 1: Do you like it?

555
00:27:34,647 --> 00:27:38,567
Speaker 3: I don't like it, only because I find what they're

556
00:27:38,607 --> 00:27:41,687
Speaker 3: doing just very confusing. I'm not as across the Royals.

557
00:27:41,847 --> 00:27:45,807
Speaker 3: Too many quadrants, too many quadrants, because I'm like, Okay,

558
00:27:45,847 --> 00:27:47,447
Speaker 3: they want me to buy jam, they want me to

559
00:27:47,447 --> 00:27:49,247
Speaker 3: go to the lifestyle brand, they want me to read

560
00:27:49,247 --> 00:27:51,247
Speaker 3: a book, they want me to listen to a podcast,

561
00:27:51,567 --> 00:27:54,327
Speaker 3: and now they want me to look at mental health

562
00:27:54,367 --> 00:27:56,287
Speaker 3: for kids. And I feel like the mental health kids

563
00:27:56,367 --> 00:27:59,127
Speaker 3: is way too important for me to also be looking

564
00:27:59,167 --> 00:28:01,247
Speaker 3: at all of this other stuff. And it's like they're

565
00:28:01,287 --> 00:28:04,087
Speaker 3: trying to they're minimizing it by being so distracting with

566
00:28:04,167 --> 00:28:05,047
Speaker 3: everything else.

567
00:28:05,327 --> 00:28:08,007
Speaker 4: But hasn't m I mean, I totally get what you're saying.

568
00:28:08,247 --> 00:28:11,727
Speaker 4: Hasn't that always been the case with people choosing to

569
00:28:11,887 --> 00:28:15,847
Speaker 4: use their celebrity to shine a light on charitable causes

570
00:28:16,007 --> 00:28:18,847
Speaker 4: or causes that they believe in. For example, Megan the

571
00:28:18,887 --> 00:28:22,687
Speaker 4: Stallion performing at a rally for Kamala Harris last week

572
00:28:22,727 --> 00:28:25,647
Speaker 4: it's like, is she singer or is she about politics?

573
00:28:26,127 --> 00:28:29,527
Speaker 4: Or Angelina Joli going to these tours in summer heck,

574
00:28:29,567 --> 00:28:31,167
Speaker 4: and lots of other celebrities have done them.

575
00:28:31,607 --> 00:28:33,727
Speaker 3: I agree they a lot of celebrities do this, but

576
00:28:33,807 --> 00:28:37,087
Speaker 3: I think it's the whole like having to announce everything,

577
00:28:37,287 --> 00:28:40,007
Speaker 3: like they announce every little thing they do, and then

578
00:28:40,047 --> 00:28:42,807
Speaker 3: I don't hear from it ever again. And I'm worried

579
00:28:42,807 --> 00:28:44,887
Speaker 3: that this is what's going to happen with the Parents

580
00:28:44,967 --> 00:28:48,447
Speaker 3: Network that I went into. Firstly, navigating their website is

581
00:28:48,447 --> 00:28:50,647
Speaker 3: a whole thing. They used to be like Sussex Royal,

582
00:28:50,727 --> 00:28:53,047
Speaker 3: but now that website's closed or takes you to Sussex

583
00:28:53,047 --> 00:28:56,047
Speaker 3: dot com. And then they have projects like film projects.

584
00:28:56,047 --> 00:28:58,407
Speaker 3: And you said there was a video about Parents Network,

585
00:28:58,447 --> 00:29:00,687
Speaker 3: so I went into their production side. That's a blank page.

586
00:29:00,767 --> 00:29:02,527
Speaker 3: I had to come back out of it, go into

587
00:29:02,527 --> 00:29:04,687
Speaker 3: it like it's so it's I have questions. I went

588
00:29:04,727 --> 00:29:06,967
Speaker 3: through nine pages before I actually found out what we

589
00:29:06,967 --> 00:29:07,887
Speaker 3: were talking about today.

590
00:29:08,087 --> 00:29:11,767
Speaker 2: It's interesting too, because you know, we talked a while

591
00:29:11,847 --> 00:29:15,167
Speaker 2: ago about the female billionaires who are putting their money

592
00:29:15,207 --> 00:29:18,167
Speaker 2: in really good causes, and one of the really effective

593
00:29:18,167 --> 00:29:20,487
Speaker 2: ways they do that is they find out who's the

594
00:29:20,527 --> 00:29:23,207
Speaker 2: best in that space, who's doing the best work in

595
00:29:23,207 --> 00:29:25,327
Speaker 2: that space, and then they give them money so they're

596
00:29:25,327 --> 00:29:28,327
Speaker 2: not necessarily I'm setting up a foundation now, Harry and

597
00:29:28,367 --> 00:29:30,007
Speaker 2: Meg's are very much going the other way. This isn't

598
00:29:30,007 --> 00:29:33,047
Speaker 2: to criticize them, but it's interesting to me that you'd

599
00:29:33,127 --> 00:29:36,047
Speaker 2: start a parent's network that then when I went to

600
00:29:36,127 --> 00:29:39,367
Speaker 2: understand what they do, again, that's confusing because it's like

601
00:29:39,687 --> 00:29:42,767
Speaker 2: they have like support call meanings for parents who are

602
00:29:42,807 --> 00:29:46,047
Speaker 2: struggling with their children with social media. They've got lobbying

603
00:29:46,047 --> 00:29:48,847
Speaker 2: groups to try and pray. But it's all very bitsy again,

604
00:29:48,887 --> 00:29:51,447
Speaker 2: and it feels like the messaging is confusing. However, I

605
00:29:51,487 --> 00:29:55,167
Speaker 2: want to press on the fact that you are opening

606
00:29:55,207 --> 00:29:57,687
Speaker 2: your arms to this mea, which is great because one

607
00:29:57,727 --> 00:30:00,407
Speaker 2: of the criticisms of Megan and I have to say

608
00:30:00,727 --> 00:30:03,767
Speaker 2: that any time I open x formerly known as Twitter,

609
00:30:03,807 --> 00:30:06,687
Speaker 2: which I do only really for professional purposes, there is

610
00:30:06,727 --> 00:30:08,767
Speaker 2: not a day that I won't open that when some

611
00:30:08,967 --> 00:30:11,567
Speaker 2: version I hate Megan Markel or Megan Mirkle is a

612
00:30:11,687 --> 00:30:16,327
Speaker 2: complete monster, isn't trending? She cops an enormous amount of

613
00:30:16,327 --> 00:30:18,487
Speaker 2: online hate for reasons that we've talked about many times,

614
00:30:18,967 --> 00:30:22,087
Speaker 2: but usually there is a certain portion of the Internet

615
00:30:22,127 --> 00:30:25,287
Speaker 2: that ayrol's so hard. As you mentioned about her claiming

616
00:30:25,487 --> 00:30:29,087
Speaker 2: sort of what you could frame as victim status, but

617
00:30:29,207 --> 00:30:32,247
Speaker 2: you really understand what she's talking about when she talks

618
00:30:32,287 --> 00:30:36,087
Speaker 2: about the effect that all that online bullying had on her, Right.

619
00:30:36,007 --> 00:30:39,207
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, because I think that anyone who has

620
00:30:39,767 --> 00:30:45,607
Speaker 4: been attacked online or canceled, or been at the receiving

621
00:30:45,687 --> 00:30:48,367
Speaker 4: end of a huge amount of online hate for whatever reason,

622
00:30:49,567 --> 00:30:51,287
Speaker 4: they all pretty much say the same thing.

623
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Speaker 1: They all say, I had.

624
00:30:54,327 --> 00:30:56,967
Speaker 4: Suicidal ideation because I did not know what else to do,

625
00:30:57,007 --> 00:30:58,687
Speaker 4: and I did not know how to make it stop.

626
00:31:00,087 --> 00:31:02,607
Speaker 4: So I think it's good that she's saying that, and

627
00:31:02,647 --> 00:31:04,927
Speaker 4: it's something that we've heard and that we need to

628
00:31:04,927 --> 00:31:07,087
Speaker 4: continue to hear, because when people are just like, oh,

629
00:31:07,127 --> 00:31:10,967
Speaker 4: she's famous, she's rich, she doesn't care, she's basically saying, no,

630
00:31:12,247 --> 00:31:15,407
Speaker 4: I did care, and it did affect me. What's a

631
00:31:15,527 --> 00:31:22,167
Speaker 4: little tricky is threading that needle back to someone going.

632
00:31:22,447 --> 00:31:25,687
Speaker 4: And I think her logic is I want people to

633
00:31:25,807 --> 00:31:28,087
Speaker 4: know that if it could happen to me, with all

634
00:31:28,127 --> 00:31:32,327
Speaker 4: of my privilege and power, what hope is there for kids?

635
00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:35,207
Speaker 4: Because their kids are very little. Obviously, they're not experienced

636
00:31:35,207 --> 00:31:37,487
Speaker 4: as parents, so they can't come out and talk about

637
00:31:37,527 --> 00:31:41,007
Speaker 4: this from the point of view of parents, except hypothetically

638
00:31:41,087 --> 00:31:43,527
Speaker 4: in the future, because they've never experienced it yet.

639
00:31:45,007 --> 00:31:45,847
Speaker 1: I don't know.

640
00:31:45,767 --> 00:31:48,447
Speaker 4: If you'd look at that and go like, I don't

641
00:31:48,447 --> 00:31:50,327
Speaker 4: know what I'm meant to do. I mean, as far

642
00:31:50,367 --> 00:31:54,527
Speaker 4: as awareness, yes, but I think that back to your

643
00:31:54,567 --> 00:32:00,607
Speaker 4: point whole about a lot of philanthropists, mostly women, Mackenzie Bezos,

644
00:32:01,087 --> 00:32:05,367
Speaker 4: Melinda Gates, and Lauren Powell jobs. A lot of those

645
00:32:05,767 --> 00:32:09,727
Speaker 4: women give money to these big charities and the amazing

646
00:32:10,087 --> 00:32:11,967
Speaker 4: rather than saying they're going to do it themselves. But

647
00:32:12,087 --> 00:32:14,407
Speaker 4: Harry and Meghan would argue that they don't have money

648
00:32:14,407 --> 00:32:16,647
Speaker 4: to give. They're not billionaires.

649
00:32:16,927 --> 00:32:19,007
Speaker 1: And it's true. Not everybody does have money to give.

650
00:32:19,047 --> 00:32:21,487
Speaker 4: Some people volunteer their time, some people volunteer their fame,

651
00:32:21,567 --> 00:32:24,007
Speaker 4: and that's what they're essentially doing. They're like, look, the

652
00:32:24,047 --> 00:32:25,767
Speaker 4: media is going to be interested in whatever we have

653
00:32:25,847 --> 00:32:28,487
Speaker 4: to say, so we may as well use that attention

654
00:32:29,567 --> 00:32:30,967
Speaker 4: to say something positive.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: We are very uncomfortable with this idea of mixed messages,

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Speaker 4: even though that is what everybody's doing now. Like Jennifer

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Speaker 4: Aniston's got her hair products and she's also on TV

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Speaker 4: and she's also speaking out about Jadie Vance and Child's

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Speaker 4: cat Ladies. I feel like and almost if someone stays

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Speaker 4: in just one lane. Taylor Swift is often criticized for

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Speaker 4: not using her platform to speak out about all of

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Speaker 4: these social issues, but I think it speaks to Harry

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the way out of that would be.

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Speaker 3: I'm just worried about what happens because we say they

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Speaker 3: don't have money and they're relying on donations for this

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Speaker 3: parent network, which is meant to be I guess, like

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Speaker 3: a forum for parents to connect and talk to each other.

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Speaker 4: The world doesn't need another one, like everyone doesn't need

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Speaker 4: to start their own foundation.

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Speaker 1: To me, that speaks of more.

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Speaker 4: Ego because there are people who are in the grassroots

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Speaker 4: organizations who've been doing this, who are set up to

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Speaker 1: You don't need to replicate that.

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Speaker 3: And what happens when the donations run out and all

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Speaker 2: It is interesting as I say, I obsess about their strategy,

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Speaker 2: but watching the video part of this not as it's

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Speaker 2: I can see that they're sitting there. Everything's taking a

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Speaker 2: long time if it's to roll out, probably because they're

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Speaker 2: doing it well, right, they're doing it really well, in

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Speaker 2: a really considered way. But it is just like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I agree, it's kind of scatter gun. But

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Speaker 2: I also think that MEA's right and that we all

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Speaker 2: want to roll our eyes at them because we're like, well,

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Speaker 2: what are they? We don't understand what they are anymore?

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Speaker 2: Are you royal? Are you famous? Are you business people?

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Speaker 2: What are you? And the thing is, as you've pointed

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Speaker 2: have to pick a lane.

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Speaker 4: I also think that they are doing something that no

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Speaker 1: There's a reason that we're all confused.

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Speaker 3: Writer Ann Helen Peterson, who has a newsletter called culture Stuf.

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Speaker 3: He wrote about a unified theory of Glenn Powell.

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Speaker 2: So, Glen, I'm so jealous. I wanted to write this

714
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Speaker 2: after I saw Twisters. Should have done it.

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Speaker 3: I should have done as well. So Glen Powell's like

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Speaker 3: a big movie star right now. He was in Twisters.

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Speaker 3: Recently he's been in Top Gun, He's been in the

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Speaker 3: Idea of View with Sidney Sweeney.

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Speaker 2: We suddenly caught the public's imagination in a big way.

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Speaker 3: In it, she talked about how she never really got him,

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Speaker 3: she found him kind of bland and boring because she

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Speaker 3: never watched anything with him in And then she started

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Speaker 3: watching movies with him in it and starring in it,

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Speaker 3: and she immediately became obsessed, like to the point where

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Speaker 3: she would watch tiktoks of him, interviews with him. So

726
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Speaker 3: she came up with these ideas on why she thinks

727
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Speaker 3: she went from him being like bland and like nothing

728
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Speaker 3: to her to becoming obsessed with him, And one of

729
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Speaker 3: the theories was because he likes women. So she says,

730
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Speaker 3: it's different than knowing you can get women, or wanting

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Speaker 3: to control women, or even loving women. He likes them,

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Speaker 3: He appreciates them, he enjoys their company. So it's about

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Speaker 3: the idea of how women like celebrity men who also

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Speaker 3: like women. And then she went into all the other

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Speaker 3: celebrity men who like or not like that.

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Speaker 4: Men such an interesting lens on it, because yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: not about men who love women in a I want

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Speaker 4: to call the women way, or even just like women

739
00:36:28,167 --> 00:36:31,607
Speaker 4: are so sexy. It's men who are comfortable around women,

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Speaker 4: who like women.

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Her evidence for this seems to be it's his persona

743
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Speaker 2: right both on enough screen. So if you're also like,

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Speaker 2: who the hell's Glenn Powell. He played the sort of

745
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Speaker 2: battie in Top Gun Maverick. Yeah, and he is in

746
00:36:47,087 --> 00:36:49,487
Speaker 2: Someone Like You and all those things, and he is like,

747
00:36:49,567 --> 00:36:53,167
Speaker 2: he's handsome, but he's not like you would fall down

748
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Speaker 2: dead hands. But the thing is, as soon as you

749
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Speaker 2: see him on screen, and in these roles that she's

750
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Speaker 2: talking about, his riz is so.

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Speaker 1: Really, what's his vibe?

752
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Speaker 2: His vibe is very very hot.

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Speaker 4: Compare him to another celebrity that I'm might not.

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Speaker 2: So the most. No, he's not gonna Paul Mescal's to torture.

755
00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:18,247
Speaker 2: He's not tortured at all. Travis Kelsey, No, No, but

756
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Speaker 2: his vibe is the thing I thought when I saw Twisters,

757
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Speaker 2: And it might have been about the cowboy hat, but

758
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Speaker 2: do you remember the first time he saw Thelma and

759
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Speaker 2: Louise and you saw Brad Pitt the first time? Right,

760
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Speaker 2: it was like this energy on the screen, like you're

761
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Speaker 2: talking about your sexual awaken you.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're.

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Speaker 2: Talking It's not it's like it's the energy of it.

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Speaker 2: Like you're sure he's beautiful, but you could be a

765
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Speaker 2: model and you're not, Like you look nice, but you

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Speaker 2: don't have the vibe. It's just and this is this energy,

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Speaker 2: this playful friend.

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Speaker 4: Kay, So tell me what are some other celebrities that

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Speaker 4: like women in this same way?

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to read at the excerpt that she

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Speaker 3: wrote in her newsletter. Tom Cruise doesn't like women. Neither

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Speaker 3: does Miles Teller Channing Tatum likes women, so does Ryan Gosling.

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Speaker 3: Brad Pitt used to like women, but doesn't anymore. Leonardo

774
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Speaker 3: DiCaprio only likes them occasionally. By Cooper doesn't. George Cliney does,

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Speaker 3: Matt Damon doesn't. Ben Affleck only does in that one

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Speaker 3: scene in the j Loo documentary. Marlon Brando didn't, Montgomery

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Speaker 3: Cliff did. Paul Newman didn't on screen, but did I R. L.

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Speaker 3: Carrie Grant did. John Wayne definitely definitely didn't. Will Smith

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Speaker 3: pretends he doesn't, but I'm not convinced. Mark Wahlberg absolutely

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Speaker 3: does not. But Daniel day Lewis does. So does yes, so.

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Speaker 4: Does Paul Mescal likes women. Okay, I'm going to add

782
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Speaker 4: a few politicians. Obama likes women, likes women very much.

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Speaker 4: Albow likes women definitely. Scott Morrison doesn't like women. Boris

784
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Speaker 4: Johnson likes women. I would say, obviously doesn't like women.

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden just too old.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. One of the pieces of evidence here,

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Speaker 2: and you will Jadvan hates women. He hates men, my goodness,

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Speaker 2: he hates them. One of the pieces of evidence here

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Speaker 2: is how they treat their coastars right so you know,

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Speaker 2: how big movie. Then you go on the tour and

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Speaker 2: it's like you've got to hang out with in Twister's case,

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Speaker 2: Daisy Egga Jones, who's his co star, who is in

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00:39:14,847 --> 00:39:18,767
Speaker 2: normal people, who's in you know all that stuff. Often

794
00:39:18,927 --> 00:39:20,847
Speaker 2: what will happen is everyone think they're dating, which is

795
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Speaker 2: what happened with him and Sydney Sweeney. But they weren't,

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Speaker 2: or at least it doesn't seem so. But there's a

797
00:39:25,967 --> 00:39:30,967
Speaker 2: lot of affection and piss taking and like friendly between them.

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Speaker 2: He looks at them like he likes them. He's not creepy.

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Speaker 2: And I think that women have a very good radar

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Speaker 2: for this because in real life we do right, you

801
00:39:40,767 --> 00:39:43,207
Speaker 2: know how, When men these days will often say.

802
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Speaker 1: Oh, you can't even talk to a woman in a

803
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Speaker 1: bar anymore, or.

804
00:39:45,567 --> 00:39:47,407
Speaker 2: You can't flirt with a woman at work or whatever,

805
00:39:47,447 --> 00:39:50,127
Speaker 2: it's sort of very confusing. And I think that women

806
00:39:51,287 --> 00:39:55,847
Speaker 2: fundamentally understand that it's not confusing because we know when

807
00:39:55,887 --> 00:39:58,847
Speaker 2: someone is talking to us in a playful, respectful, flirty way,

808
00:39:58,887 --> 00:40:02,087
Speaker 2: and when someone is being a creep. It's hard to articulate,

809
00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:04,647
Speaker 2: but we know it and we see it when we

810
00:40:04,687 --> 00:40:08,567
Speaker 2: see the glen Powells or the Channing Tatums sort of

811
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Speaker 2: be playful and friendly and respectful of the women around

812
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Speaker 2: them rather than pervy, creepy, diminishing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I want to throw out some more names. Okay,

814
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Speaker 4: Robert Downey Jr.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he likes women.

816
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Speaker 2: He likes his wife, but I don't think he's allowed

817
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Speaker 2: to like any other women, because that's the sobriety issue.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling Death like women.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the way you can tell that is that

820
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Speaker 2: obviously he's in a long term relationship and he's very

821
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Speaker 2: respectful of her, but he is really friendly and playful

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Speaker 2: with all his co stars. Emma Stone, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think it's a creepy thing. It's more

824
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Speaker 3: like an attention thing, like you can tell, Like, say

825
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Speaker 3: we were all at dinner together and our waiter was

826
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Speaker 3: George Quinney. He would come and give each of us

827
00:40:53,967 --> 00:40:57,767
Speaker 3: individual time, asking for our order, making eye contact. If

828
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Speaker 3: it was Bradley Cooper, he'd come look at one of us,

829
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Speaker 3: be like she's a hot one in the group, and

830
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Speaker 3: like turn his back to the rest of us because

831
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Speaker 3: maybe I don't want to say it, but Jacquemin like

832
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Speaker 3: like Swimen Harry styles like like swimmen.

833
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Speaker 2: If they give him attention, don't say anything about it.

834
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Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey, I can't My Roman Empire is this bit

835
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Speaker 4: of vision that I saw of him at one of

836
00:41:24,727 --> 00:41:27,207
Speaker 4: the year's tours in the vip box and someone was

837
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Speaker 4: filming and Julia Roberts came up to him. I don't

838
00:41:30,007 --> 00:41:31,407
Speaker 4: know if you've seen it. She was also in the

839
00:41:31,487 --> 00:41:36,647
Speaker 4: vip box, right, and she was talking to him, and

840
00:41:36,727 --> 00:41:39,527
Speaker 4: she had her hands on his chest, one hand on

841
00:41:39,567 --> 00:41:41,287
Speaker 4: it side of his chest, and she was sort of

842
00:41:41,327 --> 00:41:43,647
Speaker 4: touching him on his chest while she was talking, and

843
00:41:43,647 --> 00:41:48,007
Speaker 4: she was being very effusive about something Taylor probably.

844
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Speaker 1: I'm sure. And what he did was such an interesting thing.

845
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Speaker 4: He put his hands on her hands to try and

846
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Speaker 4: take them off him, and I could see the mental

847
00:41:58,607 --> 00:42:03,207
Speaker 4: struggle of I don't really want her touching me, but

848
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be rude, and I don't like

849
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Speaker 4: I'm a much bigger guy. But I also really struck

850
00:42:10,247 --> 00:42:14,687
Speaker 4: me as just the most upstanding. It told me a

851
00:42:14,727 --> 00:42:17,287
Speaker 4: lot about who he is, and that's why I think

852
00:42:17,567 --> 00:42:21,247
Speaker 4: he's not a man who's threatened by women. The media

853
00:42:21,287 --> 00:42:23,407
Speaker 4: would have found something in his past if he'd been

854
00:42:23,447 --> 00:42:25,447
Speaker 4: a dickhead nothing.

855
00:42:25,807 --> 00:42:26,967
Speaker 1: I think he really likes women.

856
00:42:27,167 --> 00:42:28,527
Speaker 3: I think he likes Taylor Swift.

857
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Speaker 2: Didn't he want to go on a reality show?

858
00:42:30,807 --> 00:42:31,007
Speaker 1: Yes?

859
00:42:31,127 --> 00:42:31,607
Speaker 2: Girlfriend?

860
00:42:31,727 --> 00:42:31,967
Speaker 1: Yes?

861
00:42:32,447 --> 00:42:34,327
Speaker 2: And was he really nice to all that too? I

862
00:42:34,327 --> 00:42:34,967
Speaker 2: think he was.

863
00:42:35,087 --> 00:42:37,287
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll give him the benefit. I think Jason Kelsey

864
00:42:37,327 --> 00:42:37,727
Speaker 3: likes women.

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Speaker 2: Yes, brother.

866
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Speaker 4: I think that they've been brought up by really strong

867
00:42:40,727 --> 00:42:43,127
Speaker 4: mother who's taught them that women are great.

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Speaker 2: I'm they're the best kind of guys.

869
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Speaker 1: Is a good guy, You're proud.

870
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Speaker 2: I'll be really upset if something comes because we always

871
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Speaker 2: talk about how I guess all movie stars are good

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Speaker 2: dudes until it's proved that they're not right, until something

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Speaker 2: slips out and you're like, oh.

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Speaker 4: Tim challame, Oh well, I was thinking about challow May

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Speaker 4: what I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he likes I don't think that's a

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Speaker 2: real shame.

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Speaker 4: And to be clear, we're not talking about misogyny any

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Speaker 4: We're just talking about like kind of doesn't want to

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Speaker 4: hang out, which just doesn't like their company.

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Speaker 2: Really out louders.

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Speaker 4: We want to hear from you about which men you

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Speaker 4: think do or don't like women.

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Speaker 1: You might have disagree. We're not the arbiters of this.

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Speaker 1: It's just a really a vibe check. It's a vibe check.

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Speaker 2: It's a vibe check. He's also very good at leaning

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Speaker 2: into holding his puppy, like he knows how to play

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Speaker 2: the game. He's got a puppy and he's always you

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Speaker 2: know a lot about him, oh mate, And I don't

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Speaker 2: even fancy him. I'm just obsessed with, like the the

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Speaker 2: birth of a movie star. He's very ambitious. You can

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Speaker 2: tell he's like, I am going to ride this train,

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Speaker 2: and he's doing it very well.

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Speaker 5: Hi Jesse, Holly and maya long time listener about loud

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Speaker 5: Beck from Melbourne. I just wanted to say, firstly, you.

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Speaker 6: Guys are amazing and I could send you a voice

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Speaker 6: message and you've received several of mine all the time,

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Speaker 6: but I don't want to bother you too much because

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Speaker 6: I just my brain pops every time I listen to

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Speaker 6: our Loud.

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Speaker 5: But I revisited one of your subscriber sessions subscriber sort

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Speaker 5: of episodes today back I think it was a couple

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Speaker 5: of years ago around phases and seasons of life and

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Speaker 5: when your seasons are different to your friends, which I've

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Speaker 5: always kind of found that my seasons are a bit

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Speaker 5: of Celtic because I don't have kids. I'm very much

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Speaker 5: mit now.

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Speaker 6: And I've got friends who are in the same boat.

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Speaker 6: But I'm now also not working, looking for work, but

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Speaker 6: enjoying not working. And again, different season and you just

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Speaker 6: your episode just I'd re listened to it because I

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Speaker 6: remembered it from before, and it's so important that we

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Speaker 6: are kind to ourselves and we remember that it's only

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Speaker 6: a season and things can wax and way, and sometimes

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Speaker 6: you're always out of sync with your mates and sometimes

916
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Speaker 6: you're not, and whatever it is, it's okay to enjoy

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Speaker 6: life and just keep listening to Mom and Me Are

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Speaker 6: Out Loud and other Muma Me a podcast because that

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Speaker 6: just Enrich's life, but very thoughtful, thought provoking and life

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Speaker 6: affirming really and I just always feel seen by you guys.

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Speaker 6: So I just wanted to say thanks.

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Speaker 2: Massive, thank you out loud as for listening to today's show,

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Speaker 2: and of course to all our fabulous team for putting

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Speaker 2: this show together. Hey listen if you liked that little

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Speaker 2: show I made recently called mid with the Talented People

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Speaker 2: that Mum were back in your rays tomorrow, So good

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Speaker 2: season two.

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Speaker 1: Who's of the first episode?

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Speaker 2: First episode is about sex, my friends, about your sex life,

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Speaker 2: not about my sex life. It's about a woman called

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Speaker 2: Leslie Morgan who's an American writer, and she when she

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Speaker 2: was forty nine, her marriage fell apart. Husband did not

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Speaker 2: like women, let's just put that out there. And she

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Speaker 2: had been in a sexless, disappointing marriage for a long time,

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Speaker 2: and she was about to turn fifty, and so she

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Speaker 2: decided to really rev up her sexual identity and find

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Speaker 2: at least five lovers in the first gem and she did,

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Speaker 2: and her stories are fantastic and it's really great. And

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Speaker 2: also big thank you to all that out loud as

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Speaker 2: admitterers who sent me their little sex tipbits for my intro.

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Speaker 2: Anyway back in your ears tomorrow, friends, wherever you get

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Speaker 2: your podcasts, and of course Mama Mia out loud is

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Speaker 2: also back in your ears tomorrow for all subscribers. See

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Speaker 2: you then by