WEBVTT - 6 Micro Trends To Get Your Head Around

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,

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<v Speaker 2>and every week I talk to an expert who helps

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<v Speaker 2>us work out how to get more out of the

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<v Speaker 2>clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is

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<v Speaker 2>and isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Fashion trends are

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<v Speaker 2>moving faster than ever before. One minute we're all in linen,

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<v Speaker 2>the next denim or from Barbie Pinks to Cherry Reds.

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<v Speaker 2>There is something new every single week to help us

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<v Speaker 2>get to the bottom of the trends. We might be

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<v Speaker 2>adding to our wardrobe and some we can forget about.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very spare a sure guests joining me.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a longtime listener of the show, you might

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<v Speaker 2>remember Tamara Holland. She co hosted What Are You Wearing?

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<v Speaker 2>Before going on maternity leave. Tam is a fashion editor

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<v Speaker 2>and writer and now very excitedly back doing some work

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<v Speaker 2>for Mamma Mia and I could not be happy out

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<v Speaker 2>to have her join me on the show today. Tam Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Hi. Firstly, welcome to the show. It is so

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<v Speaker 2>nice to see your face on a screen. After so

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<v Speaker 2>long I've been watching you on Socials and you used

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<v Speaker 2>to host Mama MEA's other fashion podcast. Indeed, now you

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<v Speaker 2>are joining me, and I'm so excited because I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get you on semi regularly because you

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<v Speaker 2>have such great commentary and insight into fashion. Now, before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into what we're talking about these trends this week,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you some personal questions. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>describe your style in three words? And what are those

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<v Speaker 2>three words?

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<v Speaker 3>Tricky At the moment, I would say it's probably more

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<v Speaker 3>toddler proof chic. I'd say it's probably more relaxed but refined.

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<v Speaker 3>Love it, but you know, relaxed with polish. That's free

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<v Speaker 3>words too, that kind of thing. Definitely comfort first, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>relaxed yet refined.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, as they're saying, goes, there's a huge wardrobe full

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<v Speaker 2>of clothes, or maybe a small wardrobe with clothes, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's ten percent of the items.

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<v Speaker 1>We own that just we wear on high rotation because

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<v Speaker 1>they're reliable. What's your ten percent?

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of loungewear at the moment, A lot of loungewear.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still in relatively new mum modes. So it's like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, it's definitely comfort first. Lots of nitpants and

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<v Speaker 3>oversized shirts and sweats. That's what I'm wearing as we record.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like there's a way to still do that

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<v Speaker 3>in an elevated way. It's like COVID happened. Everyone got

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<v Speaker 3>into lounge where people got over it. I never got

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<v Speaker 3>over it. I'm still doing it. Yeah, that's me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now your life stage kind of just continued in that

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<v Speaker 2>home situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I'm definitely into a good jacket though, because I

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<v Speaker 3>find that a really great jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you mean by jacket? Are we a blazer?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we coat? Are we all of the above? All

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<v Speaker 1>of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Above and overcoat? A bomber jacket that's for me is

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<v Speaker 3>like a core piece, a key piece that I look

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<v Speaker 3>out for, whatever the silhouette is, whatever the style that

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<v Speaker 3>helps me feel pulled together, if I'm wearing lounge or

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<v Speaker 3>if i'm wearing danim underneath, so casual underneath, and then

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<v Speaker 3>a nice elevated jacket to make me feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>can leave the house and feel good about my outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, listen, we're going to talk micro trends, because trends

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<v Speaker 2>have never moved this fast. Instagram and TikTok are to blame.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all their fault. So we've each brought a few

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss and you know, pros and cons, whether we're

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<v Speaker 2>into it, whether we're not.

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<v Speaker 1>So should we get started.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm raring to go. I've brought a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I have brought what they're calling the preppy handbooks.

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<v Speaker 2>So I read a great article on wwd dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically that preppy is back, and it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>preppee ever went anywhere, but it's kind of it's joining

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<v Speaker 2>the zeitgeist and the culture in that it used to

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<v Speaker 2>be sort of think like college varsity vibes, but now

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<v Speaker 2>it's that meat sport jersey, but then stripes. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>little pleated skirt and there's a brand a reference in

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<v Speaker 2>the article called Rowing Blazers. I'm online at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's very that it's a polo collar with a

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<v Speaker 2>little emblem. It's stripes. It's what you think when you

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<v Speaker 2>think preppy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, rowing blazer that brings up a very sort of

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<v Speaker 3>collegiate sort of aesthetic for me. It's giving like all

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<v Speaker 3>the boys I dated in high school. Absolutely, I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually channeling it today in my outfit. I'm wearing

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<v Speaker 3>a striped sweater green and beige, and that's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>channeling that I actually reckon. This rugby jumper thing has

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<v Speaker 3>already gone past micro and I found this on the

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<v Speaker 3>high streets, so I would say this is almost in

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<v Speaker 3>the main street now.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought some items along to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, please share with the group.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, there's a pleated skirt from H and M.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes in a gray mile and also of black.

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<v Speaker 2>It's twenty seven ninety nine. It's a mini skirt. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very playing netball, if you were very very sheet playing netball.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the mew Meal effect, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Lee.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, it's just if one brand is responsible for bringing

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<v Speaker 3>preppy back number one brand in the world right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and they have the ability to change the way that

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<v Speaker 3>everyone dresses with one runway show, and we've certainly seen that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they sort of set the new PREPPI trend

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<v Speaker 3>must be a year ago now that that show happened,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's, really, like you said, entered the zeitgeist in

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<v Speaker 3>a major way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's elevated preppy too. I think individually these

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<v Speaker 2>pieces can just be staples, but I think put together

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<v Speaker 2>in a certain aesthetic, it definitely speaks preppy. They've also

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<v Speaker 2>got h and M again. Short shoulder pad jacket. This

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like a cropped bomber on the website.

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<v Speaker 2>She styled it with some beautiful depleted wide leg pants.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't say necessarily preppy on its own, but definitely

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<v Speaker 2>could be styled for that esthetic.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the design detail. Padded jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very sort of college but almost goes into

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of sporty, rugby, almost moto kind of jacket

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<v Speaker 2>vibes and Zara. Funnily enough, if you search preppy in

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<v Speaker 2>the search bar, you get one hundred results.

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<v Speaker 3>So surprise, Sarah would be all over this like a rash.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, High Street is definitely where it's at. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy into this trend, are you into it?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, as you can see, I'm wearing it already,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm into it. I think we're all powerless to resist this.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw an article on l I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>the other day that called this the rich girl aesthetic,

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<v Speaker 3>rich girl energy, and I don't love that term. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's a bit problematic. But it's this whole dressing

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<v Speaker 3>like a private schoolgirl, or it's the old money aesthetic.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a continuation, like a bit more of a

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<v Speaker 3>kitschy fun continuation of the quiet luxury.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a bit more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels a bit young for me head to toe.

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<v Speaker 2>But the pieces individually that we're seeing in this trend

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<v Speaker 2>are actually just kind of some really great basics, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you say, a stripe or a little pleat skirt. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do a pleat you can do it

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<v Speaker 2>like a midi and make that yeah, maybe you would

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<v Speaker 2>be cute, or even a sport for some time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing a few sports around a skirt meets short

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<v Speaker 3>and it does bring back netball for me, Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>very netball in a chik way.

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<v Speaker 2>Not into head to toe preppy. But I like the pieces, tam. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the first one you're bringing is thongs with fancy outfits.

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<v Speaker 2>Please elaborate and we must preface. If we've got any

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<v Speaker 2>American listeners, we mean flip flops. We don't mean strings.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, although if you look at what Charlie XCX is

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<v Speaker 3>wearing right now thongs in that you know g strings

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<v Speaker 3>are trending.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>However, for the purposes of this podcast, I am not

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<v Speaker 3>talking about underwear. I'm talking about footwear. Yes, so all

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<v Speaker 3>the cool girls lee are wearing thongs. They're wearing flip flops,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's leather or rubber flip flops. The reason I

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<v Speaker 3>say with fancy outfits is because it's this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>approach of I'm wearing a really elevated minimal outfit. However

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<v Speaker 3>I've just thrown on are really barely their sandal. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the complete opposite of this chunky footwear trend we've had

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<v Speaker 3>for season after season.

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<v Speaker 1>So five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fashion loves to cycle its silhouettes in and out,

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<v Speaker 3>so things get bigger, things get smaller, things get oversized,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they get mini again. This is just fashion

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<v Speaker 3>doing its thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say thong, are we talking literally between

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<v Speaker 2>the toe those two straps like that classic current.

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<v Speaker 3>You could literally bring out your old habanas for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you the designer that's being credited to

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<v Speaker 3>bringing back the flip flop is The Row by the

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<v Speaker 3>Olsen Twins.

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<v Speaker 1>So I googled that. Do you recall the price.

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<v Speaker 3>The Rose Beach flip flop as they call it, is

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<v Speaker 3>around sixteen hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Aud I saw a really good pair in bigw for

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<v Speaker 1>about five bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Every five bucks I saw those too. I'm like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>giving inaccessible guys like read the room. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to channel this look, it's, like you say, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot easier than spending fifteen sixteen hundred bucks to

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<v Speaker 3>get the Row look. We recently saw Kendall Jenner. She

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<v Speaker 3>loves a more minimal.

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<v Speaker 1>She's pretty clic style.

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<v Speaker 3>She is I think her stylist is Danny Michelle, and

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<v Speaker 3>she puts together really effortless simple pieces. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>them are by the Row, and she's been wearing this shoe.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw a step out of New York in a

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<v Speaker 3>really simple slip skirt worn back with a tank and

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<v Speaker 3>with the Row thongs, and I love that for summer.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's a really easy way to do

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<v Speaker 3>this look. And whether you're throwing on a little jacket

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<v Speaker 3>over the top or you're just you know, a little

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<v Speaker 3>knit over your shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>You could even put your varsity bomber that wo'd still work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, a bomber would be great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as someone in their forties who has so many

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<v Speaker 2>pairs of heels but only can face wearing a kitten heel,

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<v Speaker 2>I will take a flat shoe any day of the

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<v Speaker 2>week if I can make it look good. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here for this. I'm into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it all right? What's your next Trendly?

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<v Speaker 2>Ultra sustainable fashion? Things are getting silly everybody. Kate Blanchette

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<v Speaker 2>wore a top. I mean, she looks good in a

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<v Speaker 2>paper bag and she almost sort of wore a paper bag.

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<v Speaker 2>She wore a top made out of spoons.

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<v Speaker 3>It's literally made spoons sauced from the Swedish countryside.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred and two silver spoons. I think it looks

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<v Speaker 2>good on a red carpet. I don't think we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see the likes of Mango and Zara doing a

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<v Speaker 2>spoon dupe top, do you.

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<v Speaker 3>I am going to count of that and say I

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<v Speaker 3>actually do. And it's ironic because the whole point of

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<v Speaker 3>this look and the whole point of Kate's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>fashion ethos is to be sustainable and rewar and repurpose

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<v Speaker 3>old red carpet looks she wore ten twenty years ago

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<v Speaker 3>and bring them a new lease of life. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is like the ultimate version of that. I say it's

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<v Speaker 3>ironic because that might be her fashion crusade. But then

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<v Speaker 3>I do think we're going to see the trickle down

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<v Speaker 3>effect of this on the high street with tops that

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<v Speaker 3>look like they're made out of bits and pieces from

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<v Speaker 3>your kitchen draw We're going to get metallic. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get sort of the filtered down version of this,

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<v Speaker 3>which is not maybe made sustainably at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, probably not.

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<v Speaker 3>Ironically, I hope that it kicks off a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a trend for found objects working their way into fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that this label that made the top, that's

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<v Speaker 3>their whole bit. That's what they do is they reclaim

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<v Speaker 3>and they refashion things into theture. I mean, for me,

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<v Speaker 3>this is very like Project Runway Challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes me too.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, you got two hours take the entire contents

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<v Speaker 3>of your kitchen covered and turn into theture. But I

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<v Speaker 3>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one in this vein quickly is so people are

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<v Speaker 2>wearing soft toys everywhere We were seeing it so much

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<v Speaker 2>at the Copenhagen Fashion Week, Like I'm talking yes, squishmellows.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm looking at a picture right now and my

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<v Speaker 2>son has the baby shark that is on this man.

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<v Speaker 1>Bikini's made out of soft toys. Bags made out of

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<v Speaker 1>soft toys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look little bag charms with it, like a Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Duck and a soft toy. I can go there. I

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<v Speaker 2>liked the bag charms back in the day. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>like Hello, Kitty, Donald Duck, Minie Mouse. Copenhagen is a

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<v Speaker 2>place I've not been. I don't know if they're really

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<v Speaker 2>into kind of wacky fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it works for me because I've got a

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<v Speaker 3>couple here I can chuck them. Look. The soft toy thing,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is an interesting one. It's been around a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>We have the very controversial Balenciaga collection with the teddy Bears.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, kind of kicked off the appetite for soft

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<v Speaker 3>toys as accessories. I think it was their SS twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four show where we had the designer Demna did handbags

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<v Speaker 3>that were pre distressed that had all sorts of key

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<v Speaker 3>rings and choch keys and things hanging off them, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the bag charm thing is going to be massive.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're going to see this everywhere. We've also

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<v Speaker 3>got Luave has done. They've got their little elephant motif

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a little key charm you can get. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure some of the other luxury brands have their own

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<v Speaker 3>versions of this. I think Coach does this as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of throwing to like a harajuku sure, with

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<v Speaker 3>collecting soft toys and putting them all over your clothes

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<v Speaker 3>and accessories. So I can definitely see how this has

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<v Speaker 3>blown up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, milkmaid, tell me what is this?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just milkmaid and I'm bringing to the table lea.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Swedish milkmade. Okay, So you might have seen this

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<v Speaker 3>cottage core aesthetic hanging around. Cottage core is really like

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<v Speaker 3>rustic femininity. It's sort of puffy sleeve dresses and gingham

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<v Speaker 3>and sandals with socks and that kind of country style.

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<v Speaker 3>In Copenhagen for fashion week, they were wearing clothes that

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<v Speaker 3>looked like aprons or literally aprons over jeans. So it's that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I had a little look at what's on

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<v Speaker 3>the market at the moment, and you can see there's

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<v Speaker 3>an Australian brand called Venroy that's done this linen skirt

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<v Speaker 3>that's like an apron esque cut, and I can see

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<v Speaker 3>it's linen and it's got to split at the front

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a tie at the side. It's things that

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<v Speaker 3>you can tie up and sort of chuck over your

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<v Speaker 3>other clothes to give this look that you might be

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<v Speaker 3>going and you know, milking cow or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, headscarves, I've seen some beautiful headscarves.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. I think one of the key elements of this

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<v Speaker 3>look or the real hero accessory is a bandanna or headscarf. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing that in a major way. It's been a

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<v Speaker 3>while since we had bandannas, Lee, would you do one?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you gonna wear one?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I could do a bandanna. Out of

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of vibe. For me, I'm feeling like basket bags.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like the most that I would lean

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<v Speaker 2>into it is kind of like a Sunday market bag.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, really, let's face it, in there will be

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<v Speaker 2>my iPhone and my tampons. But I'd like to think

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<v Speaker 2>that I wander around in green grass and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pick something and eat at a strawberry.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it's a bit robbery. It's a bit too.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of girly feminine for me personally, because I've just

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<v Speaker 2>gone from quite masculine androgynous and now I'm getting into

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of silk satin feminine vibes. But this feels

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<v Speaker 2>a bit too like doll. I like looking at it

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<v Speaker 2>on other people. I wanted to bring blanket stitch because

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<v Speaker 2>I observed it in a lot of places in winter,

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<v Speaker 2>but now I've seen it's coming into some summer items

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought were interesting. So to illustrate what blanket

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<v Speaker 2>stitch is, or sometimes called contrast stitch, but blanket stitch

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit thicker. Think of those mez throws

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<v Speaker 2>for your couch that are exorbitantly expensive, and then every

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<v Speaker 2>store's kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Ripped it off.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a contrasting color of like wool. So say the

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<v Speaker 2>item's gray, the stitch is in black or white. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Totem did. This is when I first fell in love,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not gonna pay this much money, but Totem

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<v Speaker 2>did and still do. It's what's called the draped fringe

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<v Speaker 2>wool blend jacket. I'm obsessed with the olive green and

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<v Speaker 2>then the blanket stitch around the edge is like a cream.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been around for centuries and it kind of is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of that quiet luxury. It looks handmade, it

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<v Speaker 2>looks good quality. Atmoson here on the Iconic have done it.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got the n a blanket stitch jumper. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I've been watching some spring summer start to drop and

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<v Speaker 2>Asos has a blanket stitch card. Again, it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>sleeveless vest and they've got that in a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of colors, creams, lighter colors. So I do think this

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<v Speaker 2>blanket contrast stitch will continue. Then I saw seeds brand

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<v Speaker 2>new Sasha trim slide and they're like that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>classic chunkier black buckles. But then the stitching around the

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<v Speaker 2>edge is the white contrast.

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<v Speaker 3>Gorgeous. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then on Maya there's a swimwear brand called Chloe

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<v Speaker 2>and Lola and they've got a star called the Bonnie

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<v Speaker 2>Crochet Swimsuit in black, and it's literally a black swimsuit

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<v Speaker 2>with this contrast stitching around our legs and the bust.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's hitting everything. It's accessories, it's swimwear, it's home weares,

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<v Speaker 3>it's everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it obviously started in home weares, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was purely a winter trends, so that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I kept my eye on it.

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<v Speaker 3>But someone like you, who's like the consumate minimalist in

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<v Speaker 3>what you wear, the whole embroidery crochet thing wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>for you, right, Like, You're not going to wear like

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<v Speaker 3>granny bright crochet rug I'm not, No, I actually would

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<v Speaker 3>like I like, I do that back with like a

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<v Speaker 3>gene because I'm like a bow bird. I'm attracted to

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<v Speaker 3>the color. But you're more of a minimalist, and so

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<v Speaker 3>this is kind of the way to do that. Artisanal, handmade, touchal.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the perfect and we.

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<v Speaker 3>Get in, so to speak, weave it into your outfit

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<v Speaker 3>without feeling like you've worn a granny blanket. Yes, I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>give me the granny blanket. I want to wear it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Etsy, but it's not. It's high street, feels and

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<v Speaker 2>looks a bit handmade. But there's still just touches for

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<v Speaker 2>the minimalist. So keep an eye on that, my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I am predicting that blanket stitch will be around all

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<v Speaker 2>spring summer, which is pretty unusual. Okay, before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into bougie and budget tam You would not even give

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<v Speaker 2>me a little sneak peek as style last time.

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<v Speaker 3>No sneaky, sneaky, I am hitting you with a surprise trend.

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<v Speaker 3>Two words Campbell pedal pushes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, I knew it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know? It was Cabri pats.

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<v Speaker 2>Last summer, I did the denim jaws, quite enjoyed that.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a Bermuda short, which is kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a wide leg, longer short to the knee.

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<v Speaker 3>You were into the Bermuda's, That's right, I was into

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<v Speaker 3>the Bermuda were inspiring me with those looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I just bought some new ones from Zari in

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<v Speaker 2>like a beautiful kind of royal Navy. Anyway, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I'm speechless because I have pedal push of vibes back

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<v Speaker 2>in my memory from when I was a lateeen early twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were tight and cropped just under the knee.

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<v Speaker 3>In the naughties, we all wore like black knee length legging.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember under tunic and skirts. Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a little more elevated than that, but it kind of

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<v Speaker 3>it still is that same silhouette and so it's tight

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<v Speaker 3>as in tight tight. We literally saw Kim Kardashian wear

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<v Speaker 3>tights cut off at the knee tights on her Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>So once Kim's done it, it's like, all right, it's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>But the fashion look, I'm not sure if you follow

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<v Speaker 3>Leandro medein poem on Instagram, she is very extreme in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of the trends that she will try. She's a

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<v Speaker 3>real fashion experimentalist.

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<v Speaker 2>And she well, her website was man Repella, Man, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is she wearing? She's about Terry Bradshaw.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very fashioned, man Repella, Yeah, very fashioned. But she's

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<v Speaker 3>been wearing capri pants all around New York and doing

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<v Speaker 3>it in her very unique way. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>see these it's more of that kind of fifties retro

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<v Speaker 3>sort of style of the you know, the black or

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<v Speaker 3>the denim capri pants. I was going to say, adding

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<v Speaker 3>just at the knee.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a little bit of like white it almost

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<v Speaker 2>looks like white skinny jeans that have been cut off

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<v Speaker 2>at the knee.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm seeing a lot of black, like a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of like a cigarette pant but hacked off at

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<v Speaker 3>the knee. And it's it's this kind of Audrey Hepburn

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<v Speaker 3>Marilyn fifties styling.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fifties is bringing me around a little bit what footwear.

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<v Speaker 3>Though I'm not bringing myself around like I think for

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<v Speaker 3>a shorter woman like me, like anyone can wear anything,

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<v Speaker 3>but the thought of something that cuts off at the

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<v Speaker 3>knee is just like scary. If you're shorter, it's hard

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<v Speaker 3>to approach because it feels like it's just going to

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<v Speaker 3>cut you into.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't born with ankles, so I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>need to accenterate, which I'm totally fine with. But when

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<v Speaker 2>they got to my legs, they just went leg foot

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<v Speaker 2>and so I just don't think that's my vibe unless

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wearing sky high stilettos, which I don't do anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>They actually do look really good with a kit in

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<v Speaker 3>the heel. You don't want to be wearing these back

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<v Speaker 3>with sneakers, back with anything that hits at the ankles,

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<v Speaker 3>like an ankle strap on a shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to wear ankle boom?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with a wedge. Dare I say for a very

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<v Speaker 3>y two Kody, I think Lee, we're going to see

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<v Speaker 3>these everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm going to watch with interest because I say

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<v Speaker 2>no now but I am a bit of a sheep.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a medium adopter, so's.

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<v Speaker 3>A medium adoption. It's funny. I saw this trend and

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you would actually wear this really well, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be interested to see if and how you do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>I wondred. Okay, Bougie and budget the best part of

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<v Speaker 2>the week. We have kind of been inspired by these

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<v Speaker 2>trends and brought an item for each one bougie one

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<v Speaker 2>budget of something we would wear. So do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to start, tam, Why don't we start with your budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go budget first, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>For my budget, we spoke about flip flops at length,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mentioned Havianas and they are known for doing

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<v Speaker 3>the quintessential rubber thong that we all wore back in

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<v Speaker 3>the day. But they've actually updated their flip flop with

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<v Speaker 3>a square toe design. Oh it feels yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>it feels a little bit more current and a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more fashion forward. They're called the Slim Square Toe Songs,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would suggest, yes, you need these in black

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<v Speaker 3>forty five dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that tiny toe reshape makes such

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<v Speaker 2>a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very good. Thongs are back and the ones I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>The rubber bit that kind of goes between your toes

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<v Speaker 2>is slimmer than that traditional traditional having on only by

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<v Speaker 2>what half a centimeter maybe, but it's that slimmer bit

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<v Speaker 2>more makes a difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is like, if you want to get that

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<v Speaker 3>look of the row without spending you know, fifteen hundred bucks,

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<v Speaker 3>I would buy yourself a par of these.

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<v Speaker 2>So my budget is back on the contrast top stitching,

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<v Speaker 2>blanket stitch vibes. It's a Zara cardigan. I know we're

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<v Speaker 2>heading into spring, but I love a cardigan for spring.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Nit cardigan with contrast top stitching, very

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<v Speaker 2>original seventy nine ninety five. It's a v neck cream

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<v Speaker 2>cardigan with con Trust black buttons and then big sort

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<v Speaker 2>of pockets at the side with the contrast stitching and

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<v Speaker 2>then contrast stitching around the bottom. I love it because

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<v Speaker 2>I like a cardigan with like an oversized like denim short.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it open for travel. I just think cardigans

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<v Speaker 2>are really good for trans seasonal chucking in your bag

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<v Speaker 2>if your office is sometimes hot or sometimes cold, and

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<v Speaker 2>the cream color kind of lends itself to warmer months.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm heavily influenced by this lee. This is absolutely beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the idea of wearing a cardigan with no

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<v Speaker 3>top underneath, just like as a top, yes, and tucking

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<v Speaker 3>it into your genes.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's your bougie, my friend?

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<v Speaker 3>So I've gone for another song, another flip flop, but

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<v Speaker 3>slightly more elevated investment piece to tell me, then you Havevianas.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to do the more luxe version

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<v Speaker 3>of the flip flop, I would suggest looking to an

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<v Speaker 3>emerging Australian footwear brand called a Emery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love this brand.

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<v Speaker 3>So they just do the best minimal leather sandals, and

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<v Speaker 3>I can attest to the quality. I've bought a few pairs.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they have been around for a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years now I feel like they've really hit the ride now.

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<v Speaker 3>So I found a really beautiful, simple black leather flip

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<v Speaker 3>flop called the Kinto Sandal and it's one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>seventy dollars, so it's more on the spendy end of

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<v Speaker 3>a flip flop that it is leather.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at a few brands and I think

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<v Speaker 2>they've got some more expensive styles like three four hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>so I reckon that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good price point, So those are probably the

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<v Speaker 3>ones that I'm going to be buying.

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<v Speaker 2>I was also influenced by your thong flip flop chat,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've seen a pair.

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<v Speaker 1>They're more expensive than yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually on Dish they're called the Doff Studios Nadia sandal

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<v Speaker 2>in Black. They are a black leather thong flip flop

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<v Speaker 2>whatever we're going to call them, made in Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>The straps slightly thicker.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not a chunky shoe, and that the sole's thin,

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<v Speaker 2>but the strap that's your thong is like three centimeters

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<v Speaker 2>so they're gonna hold on. You don't have to do

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<v Speaker 2>that full on grippy grip.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's true. Were you grip with your tongue?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I love what that feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you have to like break your feet in

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<v Speaker 2>for thongs again each summer because you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Not just nostalgic. I've forgot, honestly forgotten what it feels

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<v Speaker 3>like to wear thongs. But you're right. Do you have

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<v Speaker 3>to do a little pigeon grip with your toes?

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<v Speaker 2>You do until your feet get used to it. I

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<v Speaker 2>love these so yeah, they're one ninety nine to ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>So I believe that Doff Studios is a brand that

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<v Speaker 2>dish stocks in terms of footwear. They're just really great

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<v Speaker 2>and half the sizes are sold out. Yeah at price

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<v Speaker 2>of recording. I'm sure they'll restock because they look really popular.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just a classic and I reckon you'd have them

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<v Speaker 2>for years if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Look after them.

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<v Speaker 3>Or gee, what a find, Tam.

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<v Speaker 2>That was an absolute delight. I feel like in the

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks time there will be more micro trends that

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have to explain to me. So I would love

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<v Speaker 2>if you would join me again soon.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be honored. It's been such a blast, great

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<v Speaker 3>to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me, Thank you for listening to

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