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Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick

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Speaker 1: and I'm a femim and on the show today, we

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Speaker 1: tried to give ourselves a bit of rest from it.

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Speaker 1: But there have been so many more allegations against Sean

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Speaker 1: colmb's and now so many celebrity names have been pulled

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Speaker 1: forward with their statements. There's so much to unpack.

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Speaker 2: But first, Meganthy Sallien has announced that she is releasing

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Speaker 2: a documentary. It's called Meganthy Stallion in Her Eyes and

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Speaker 2: will be out on Prime Video. I am so interested

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Speaker 2: celebrities try to do a documentary, like I know, Lizzo

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Speaker 2: did one, Beyonce has done many Taylor Swifts. Megan thee

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Speaker 2: selling story is so different to everyone else's, like she's

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Speaker 2: come from some crazy hardship, not just mentally, but being

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Speaker 2: brought up as well as physically. Most people know her.

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Speaker 2: If you don't follow her music, you would know that

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Speaker 2: after a pool party at Kylie Jenni's house, and that

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Speaker 2: was kind of a trial that has been taking up

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Speaker 2: so much of her life. She made a really powerful

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Speaker 2: statement as well on that about how it has like

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Speaker 2: impacted her life ever since. And it was by Tory Lanez,

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Speaker 2: who's also in the industry, And it was one of

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Speaker 2: sent in letters to the judge in his favor, and

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Speaker 2: it's very similar to we talked about so many of

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Speaker 2: these celebrities who have very powerful friends and like the

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Speaker 1: Finally, Oh absolutely, I mean that was such a wild time. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they got in the car leaving Kylie Jenner's house. They

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Speaker 2: And apparently he like, yeah, something like dance for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dance to me, and started shooting her. And then

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Speaker 2: Really because like she talks to you, as you said,

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Speaker 1: Also, yeah, everyone got involved, and like people forgot at

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Speaker 2: So so the documentaries out on October thirty. First you

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Speaker 1: So Shawn Combs, who was arrested recently and has been

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Speaker 2: And it actually sucks because I feel like the theme

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Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting, how because there are so many

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Speaker 1: But some of these new accusations from these new plaintives,

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Speaker 1: who has made like an allegation that Seawan Combs assaulted

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Speaker 1: him when he was sixteen at one of those infamous

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Speaker 1: So he says happened in nineteen ninety eight. So those

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is what this man is saying. So he

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Speaker 2: This is horrific, especially because these are actually in the documents, yes,

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Speaker 1: Yes, that has come out to that again allegations, but

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Speaker 1: Jane Doe who said she was nineteen, she was a

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Speaker 1: for a group that Sean Combe's label had just signed

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Speaker 1: She then alleges that Shawn Comb locked the door behind them,

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Speaker 1: See it's a hitting camera situation where it's caught this

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Speaker 2: And we have talked about the focus on Beyonce in

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Speaker 1: thanking people in speeches like that's also frothy and surface level.

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Speaker 1: I mean, not to the people who allegedly had their

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Speaker 2: Right, like, it starts light and then it goes deeper

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Speaker 2: and deeper and deeper, and then you just hear like

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Speaker 2: all of this terrible stuff about one person, and you're

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Speaker 2: seeing it together rather than like isolated little yea exactly,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's exactly what's happening with her in particular.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And look, normally I'm not for censoring comments,

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Speaker 1: case it was the right thing for them to take

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Speaker 1: these accusations against jay Z and Beyonce down, not because

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Speaker 1: I think like they're going to be overly harmed and

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Speaker 1: obviously their allegations at this stage. It's more so you've

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Speaker 1: got these hundreds of people coming forward with these allegations,

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Speaker 1: some of them who have been through I mean all

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Speaker 1: of them been through such and hence trauma. But who

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Speaker 1: are finally going to have their stories told, and I

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Speaker 1: just don't want something to happen, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: like an illegal loophole or something to happen that's gonna

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Speaker 1: harm that testimony or like their case in any way. Like,

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Speaker 1: you do have to be really careful around just throwing

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Speaker 1: accusations out there, especially when it's going to trial, Like

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Speaker 1: you have to step so carefully. And that's why us

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Speaker 1: and so many other people when they're talking about this

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Speaker 1: are being really careful to read out the lawyer's statements.

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Speaker 1: Is what we've been doing, like word for word, because

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Speaker 1: that information is in the trial, it's part of it.

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Speaker 1: It's information they've decided to give the public. I think

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Speaker 1: when we get into people saying on public, like on

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Speaker 1: big public shows like this, I've seen this, like saying

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Speaker 1: that she knows that Beyonce and jay Z take people

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Speaker 1: unconscious on planes is a wild accusation to make without

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Speaker 2: And also it brings back there like with these rumors

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Speaker 2: and stuff that are happening on like TikTok on Reddit

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Speaker 2: like the average person like won't get in trouble for that,

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Speaker 2: but it's the platform that hosts those comments. Yeah, which

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Speaker 2: is why like peers like got threatened, not her like.

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Speaker 2: It's very cleverly done in that way, which is exactly

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Speaker 2: why that like it's so dangerous to host these kind

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Speaker 2: of ideas that aren't actually supported or real.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So, I mean, I'm sure there'll be more

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Speaker 1: people coming forward, more accusations to come at this point

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Speaker 1: in time. The trial is set for May of next year,

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Speaker 1: so that's a lot more time for more information to

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Speaker 1: come out. And I guess as always, we're thinking of

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Speaker 1: the people who involved in this case, who are you know,

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Speaker 1: giving their testimony and sharing their stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye,