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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 1: This is Mamma MIA's twice daily news podcast. The Quiki

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Speaker 1: is the Gaza ceasefire. Over nearly three weeks into a

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Speaker 1: fragile peace plan, Israel has launched strikes on Gaza, accusing

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Speaker 1: her mass of violating the ceasefire. So what really happened?

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Speaker 1: And is the truce actually broken? Plus is there such

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Speaker 1: thing as the right time to have a family? We

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Speaker 1: asked our audience and the answers are anything but simple.

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Speaker 1: Before we get there, here's Charlie Blackman with the latest

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Speaker 1: from the QUICKI newsroom for Thursday, October thirty.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. Russian President Vladimir Putin's Special envoy, Kirol Dmitriev

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Speaker 2: says the war in Ukraine could end within a year.

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Speaker 2: Speaking at an investment conference in Saudi Arabia, Dmitriev said

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Speaker 2: he believed peace was possible, adding we are on the

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Speaker 2: road to peace and as peacemakers, we need to make

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Speaker 2: it happen. Dmitriev, who leads the Russian Direct Investment Fund,

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Speaker 2: made the comments after meeting officials from US President Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's administration a visit that came shortly after the postponement

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Speaker 2: of a planned summit between Trump and Putin. Dimitriev said

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Speaker 2: Russia and the US were close to a diplomatic solution

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Speaker 2: and called for stronger cooperation between the US, Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 2: and Russia. Meanwhile, Ukraine launched a wave of drone strikes

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Speaker 2: on Russian energy sites overnight, hitting facilities in several regions.

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Speaker 2: Russia's Defense Ministry said its forces destroyed one hundred drones,

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Speaker 2: including six near Moscow. Hurricane Melissa is sweeping across Cuba

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Speaker 2: as a Category two storm after slamming Jamaica with winds

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Speaker 2: of up to two hundred and ninety five kilometers per hour.

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Speaker 2: One death was reported in Jamaica, while flooding in Haiti

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Speaker 2: killed at least twenty five people after the Ladig River

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Speaker 2: burst its banks. Hurricane Melissa, now packing winds of up

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Speaker 2: to one hundred and sixty five kilometers per hour, was

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Speaker 2: centered about seventy kilometers northwest of Guantanamo on Wednesday. Hundreds

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Speaker 2: of thousands of Cubans have moved to shelters as warnings

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Speaker 2: remain in effect across several provinces and the Bahamas. Cuban

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Speaker 2: President Mael Diez Canal urge residents not to underestimate the storm,

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Speaker 2: warning it could deepen the island's economic crisis. The United

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Speaker 2: Kingdom has pledged two point five million pounds in emergency

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Speaker 2: aid for the Caribbean, with support focused on Jamaica. Queensland's

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Speaker 2: Education Minister John Paul Langbrook has ordered a full investigation

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Speaker 2: into how nine schools taught Year twelve ancient history students

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Speaker 2: the wrong topic ahead of final exams. The probill focus

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Speaker 2: on Queensland's Curriculum and Assessment Authority, which sets exam topics

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Speaker 2: and is accused of communication issues with schools. Around one

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty students were affected after studying off Augustus

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Speaker 2: Caesar instead of Julius Caesar, the subject for this year's paper.

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Speaker 2: Brisbane State High School was the first to uncover the

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Speaker 2: era earlier this week. The QCAA said schools had been

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Speaker 2: notified of the correct topic more than twelve months ago,

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Speaker 2: with reminders set since August twenty twenty three. Acting Chief

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Speaker 2: Executive Claude Jones said special consideration will ensure fair results

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Speaker 2: and new safeguards will make exam topics clearer to schools

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Speaker 2: in future. Emma Thompson says she feels intense irritation over

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Speaker 2: the growing use of artificial intelligence in Hollywood. She told

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Speaker 2: The Late Show with Stephen Colbert that she still writes

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Speaker 2: her scripts by hand before typing them up, but her

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Speaker 2: computer constantly offers to rewrite her work. I don't need

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Speaker 2: you to rewrite what I've just written, Thompson said, describing

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Speaker 2: her frustration with constant AI suggestions. She also recalled past

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Speaker 2: technical disasters, including the time her computer turned her entire

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Speaker 2: Sense and Sensibility script in to hieroglyphs, forcing her to

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Speaker 2: start over. Thompson, who has won two Oscars for her

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Speaker 2: writing and acting, said she'll keep trusting pen, paper and

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Speaker 1: Thanks Charlie. Next. As new strikes hit Gaza, is the

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Speaker 1: peace about to fall apart. The Middle East CEASEFI is

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Speaker 1: on the brink of collapse, just weeks after the US

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Speaker 1: broken peace plan was meant to end two years of

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Speaker 1: bloodshed between Israel and Tamas. On Tuesday local time, Israeli

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Nettna, who ordered powerful strikes in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: accusing her mass of violating the truce agreement. The strikes

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Speaker 1: targeted Gaza city, including areas near the largest operational hospital.

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Speaker 1: Local health authorities say at least eighteen people were killed

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Speaker 1: in the air strikes, including three in Gaza City's Sabron neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Israel claims the Mass broke the seasfire by an alleged

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Speaker 1: attack on Israeli forces and handing over wrong hostage remains.

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Speaker 1: Her Mass rejects this, insisting there honoring the deal even

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Speaker 1: if it's slow going. As a reminder, the seasfire took

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Speaker 1: the Yellow Line. Her Maas agreed to guns down, releasing

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Speaker 1: thousand Palestinian prisoners from their jails, and tens of thousands

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Speaker 1: of Palestinians returned to their homes in Gaza after being

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Speaker 1: forced to evacuate for safety, with AID beginning to make

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Speaker 1: have accused each other of violations. According to the local

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Speaker 1: health ministry. So far, at least ninety four gardens have

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Speaker 1: been killed since the latest season fire began. Israel says

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Speaker 1: thousand and five hundred people have been killed since the

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Speaker 1: conflict began on October seven. The exchange of hostages and

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Speaker 1: best with the limited access to hostage locations, blaming Israeli

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Speaker 1: escalations for slowing the recovery process. Meantime, US Vice President

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Speaker 1: JD Vance, who helped President Donald Trump in brokering the

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Speaker 1: ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas, has tried to downplay

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Speaker 1: the latest snag to the deal. He told reporters the

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Speaker 1: ceasefire is holding, but that we should expect little skirmishes

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Speaker 1: here and there. So will the ceasefire continue to hold

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Speaker 1: as Israeli hostages remains continue to be brought back home

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Speaker 1: and gardens begin to rebuild their homes and lives. Futurist

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Speaker 1: and international relations expert Keith Sutter says, yes, the.

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Speaker 3: Seasefire is not over, but it's wobbling. And we've always

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Speaker 3: that both sides are probably satisfied with how things have

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Speaker 3: the moment, is there.

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Speaker 1: A perfect moment to start a family? I think it's

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Speaker 1: safe to say that most women, at some stage in

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Speaker 1: their life have pondered the following questions, maybe sometimes all

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Speaker 1: at once. Do I even want kids? Is my current

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Speaker 1: boyfriend the right person to have kids with? Okay? But

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Speaker 1: then when should I have that? I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be too old that I can't afford them right now?

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Speaker 1: I want to go traveling for it. What about my career.

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Speaker 1: I just started earning some decent money. I can't get pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Can I even afford I? But I just freeze my

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Speaker 1: it alone. This is exhausting. The idea of starting a

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Speaker 1: women it's a choice they've pondered for most of their

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Speaker 1: learned from those who've already been there, done that, and

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Speaker 1: bought the commemorative fridge magnet, including those of you who

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Speaker 1: say you'd like to have your time again. So, as

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Speaker 1: midst of making some pretty big life decisions in the

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Speaker 1: near future, I am very curious about when the right

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Speaker 1: time was for all of you. According to the World

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Speaker 1: Population Review, the average age for becoming a first time

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Speaker 1: Aussie mum is around thirty. Shit, I'm already behind. But

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Speaker 1: to counter that, the average range of age for first

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Speaker 1: time motherhood in Australia is actually pretty significant, with women

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Speaker 1: popping out their first offspring anywhere from age twenty five

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Speaker 1: cheersing to their firstborns and their twenty third birthdays all

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Speaker 1: in one calendar year. Of course, there's about a million

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Speaker 1: and one factors at play here and Mumu me a

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Speaker 1: lifestyle producer analytes Todd has been looking into all of

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Speaker 1: to start a family? Analytes, lay it on me, when

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Speaker 1: should I be having kids? Okay, how old are you,

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Speaker 1: Taylor analyts? I am thirty, So I am like staring

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Speaker 4: Like it is, it's not always a question of choice

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Speaker 4: that assumes that you have a partner if you want

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Speaker 4: and also that you know you're not dealing with fertility issues.

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Speaker 4: So that aside, I don't know, Taylor, like I had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a conversation that I've had obviously with

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Speaker 1: having children. Now, you've spoken to a lot of women

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Speaker 1: about this, What did they say? These are women who

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was it ranged from their first child

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Speaker 4: And it was women in the Muma Mea community. And

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Speaker 4: it was really interesting. Most people didn't regret their choice

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Speaker 4: for a mortgage. You know, I'm a lot more financially

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Speaker 4: secure because it really there is that motherhood tax.

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Speaker 1: So if you pause work.

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Speaker 4: Or you know, have whether it's one year or returning

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Speaker 4: part time, which you know most women do in Australia,

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Speaker 4: you're really going to be impacting your career growth and

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about this motherhood tax. Obviously we

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Speaker 1: know that women are retiring with less superannuation, and that

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Speaker 1: largely is because like they're taking time off to have kids.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because women in Australia they do reduce

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Speaker 4: their paid work hours by about thirty five percent across

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Speaker 4: going to impact things like earnings they fall by an

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Speaker 4: is going to impact our super Now when not talking

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Speaker 4: about people who necessarily regret having or not having children,

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Speaker 4: they were kind of still figuring themselves out. They maybe

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Speaker 4: just those late nights, like having that ten year gap,

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Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing is analie. So you don't have

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Speaker 1: An Alie, thank you very much, Thank you for having me,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 1: us today. Before your head off, I want to let

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Speaker 1: you know about what our friends over on True Crime

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Speaker 1: Conversations are up to. In today's episode, Clamorphy sits down

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Speaker 1: with Kathleen Folbig, aka the Australian woman who spent twenty

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Speaker 5: I said, so, you know, and my other friend's children too.

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Speaker 5: You I heard about them, heard about all their exploits.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear more, I'll chuck the link

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. The Quickie is produced by me

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Speaker 1: Taylor Strano, Laria Brofi, and Tarlie Blackman, with audio production

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