1 00:00:10,174 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,974 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,974 --> 00:00:22,174 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:22,294 --> 00:00:25,454 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast, 6 00:00:25,494 --> 00:00:29,294 Speaker 1: The Quickie. On this day, forty six years ago, the 7 00:00:29,334 --> 00:00:33,054 Speaker 1: first ever Sydney Gay and Lesbian Marti Gras Parade was held. 8 00:00:33,574 --> 00:00:36,214 Speaker 1: It would become a milestone of civil rights for the 9 00:00:36,334 --> 00:00:40,574 Speaker 1: LGBTQAA plus community that will lead to an incident free 10 00:00:40,614 --> 00:00:43,414 Speaker 1: March just a year later. But for those who were 11 00:00:43,414 --> 00:00:45,534 Speaker 1: there at the start, it wasn't pretty. 12 00:00:45,814 --> 00:00:48,414 Speaker 2: A couple of women had their heads bashed against the 13 00:00:48,494 --> 00:00:51,094 Speaker 2: side of the wagon. I didn't realize until years later 14 00:00:51,254 --> 00:00:53,334 Speaker 2: the trauma we all carried no from that. 15 00:00:54,334 --> 00:00:57,614 Speaker 1: Today we speak to two seventy eight ers, those who 16 00:00:57,694 --> 00:01:00,014 Speaker 1: marched on that night in June nearly fifty years ago, 17 00:01:00,294 --> 00:01:02,854 Speaker 1: and who were part of the protests and activism in 18 00:01:02,894 --> 00:01:06,094 Speaker 1: the weeks, months and years after, to remind us of 19 00:01:06,334 --> 00:01:09,414 Speaker 1: just how far we've come. But first, here's the latest 20 00:01:09,534 --> 00:01:13,134 Speaker 1: from the Quickie newsroom. Monday, June twenty four. Panicked shoppers 21 00:01:13,134 --> 00:01:16,054 Speaker 1: were forced to flee a westfield south of Adelaide yesterday 22 00:01:16,094 --> 00:01:19,094 Speaker 1: after a gang of young boys attacked another group armed 23 00:01:19,134 --> 00:01:23,054 Speaker 1: with extendable batons and possibly knives. Police are still tracking 24 00:01:23,054 --> 00:01:25,094 Speaker 1: the boys in question, who ran through the center and 25 00:01:25,134 --> 00:01:28,414 Speaker 1: into the David Jones store, prompting an emergency warning to 26 00:01:28,414 --> 00:01:32,254 Speaker 1: be broadcast across the center for people to evacuate. Videos 27 00:01:32,294 --> 00:01:35,454 Speaker 1: posted to social media show confused and panicked shoppers either 28 00:01:35,534 --> 00:01:38,694 Speaker 1: hiding or running for the exits. While some stores now 29 00:01:38,734 --> 00:01:41,934 Speaker 1: fully prepared for an incident like this after training in 30 00:01:41,974 --> 00:01:45,254 Speaker 1: the wake of the Bondi Westfield attack, immediately pulled down 31 00:01:45,294 --> 00:01:48,974 Speaker 1: their shutters to ensure their customer's safety. Investigators are using 32 00:01:49,014 --> 00:01:53,054 Speaker 1: CCTV footage to find the youths involved, saying they've identified 33 00:01:53,094 --> 00:01:56,414 Speaker 1: the two victims of the attackers, spending yesterday, afternoon and 34 00:01:56,574 --> 00:01:59,414 Speaker 1: nights scouring the center to ensure Nana hiding out within 35 00:01:59,454 --> 00:02:02,454 Speaker 1: the facility. The federal government will start to impose new 36 00:02:02,454 --> 00:02:05,374 Speaker 1: obligations on the supermarket giants to ensure they treat their 37 00:02:05,414 --> 00:02:09,094 Speaker 1: suppliers fairly. The code of conduct written by the supermarkets 38 00:02:09,134 --> 00:02:12,294 Speaker 1: themselves has been voluntary up to this point, the government 39 00:02:12,334 --> 00:02:15,574 Speaker 1: now moving to make it mandatory. Supermarkets required to deal 40 00:02:15,614 --> 00:02:19,014 Speaker 1: with suppliers in good faith and prevent retribution from those 41 00:02:19,014 --> 00:02:22,494 Speaker 1: who complain. The penalties include hefty fines which will be 42 00:02:22,494 --> 00:02:25,054 Speaker 1: approved by a court, but the a Triple C would 43 00:02:25,054 --> 00:02:27,894 Speaker 1: be able to issue infringement notices of up to nearly 44 00:02:27,894 --> 00:02:31,294 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars. The obligations were 45 00:02:31,374 --> 00:02:34,174 Speaker 1: part of the recommendations put forward by former Labour MP 46 00:02:34,334 --> 00:02:38,934 Speaker 1: Craig Emerson after a review of supermarket conduct. Research shows 47 00:02:38,974 --> 00:02:41,614 Speaker 1: young ossies who are addicted to vaping are struggling to 48 00:02:41,694 --> 00:02:45,254 Speaker 1: quit despite repeated attempts to do so. The University of 49 00:02:45,294 --> 00:02:48,094 Speaker 1: Melbourne study spoke to more than six hundred vape users 50 00:02:48,134 --> 00:02:51,294 Speaker 1: aged fourteen to twenty five, the most prevalent vapors in 51 00:02:51,294 --> 00:02:54,294 Speaker 1: the country, and found sixty one percent of young people 52 00:02:54,294 --> 00:02:57,334 Speaker 1: who vape expressed a desire to quit, and more than 53 00:02:57,374 --> 00:03:00,214 Speaker 1: fifty five percent had tried, with one in five saying 54 00:03:00,254 --> 00:03:03,494 Speaker 1: they've done so unsuccessfully. The study also found those who 55 00:03:03,574 --> 00:03:06,734 Speaker 1: believed vapes were easy to access were less likely to 56 00:03:06,814 --> 00:03:10,374 Speaker 1: attempt or want to quit. The study's time coincides with 57 00:03:10,494 --> 00:03:14,134 Speaker 1: legislation before federal Parliament that aims to limit access to vapes. 58 00:03:14,774 --> 00:03:17,734 Speaker 1: Singer Justin Timberlake has given a heartfelt speech to the 59 00:03:17,734 --> 00:03:20,094 Speaker 1: crowd at the first concert of his world tour since 60 00:03:20,094 --> 00:03:24,054 Speaker 1: being arrested for allegedly drink driving in the Hamptons. Timberlake said, 61 00:03:24,214 --> 00:03:26,974 Speaker 1: We've been through ups and downs, lefts and rights. It's 62 00:03:26,974 --> 00:03:29,414 Speaker 1: been a tough week. But you're here and I'm here, 63 00:03:29,534 --> 00:03:32,414 Speaker 1: and nothing can change this moment right now. He signed 64 00:03:32,414 --> 00:03:35,174 Speaker 1: off saying, I know sometimes I'm hard to love, but 65 00:03:35,254 --> 00:03:37,654 Speaker 1: you keep on loving me, and I love you right back. 66 00:03:37,694 --> 00:03:40,934 Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Timberlake was arrested in sag 67 00:03:40,934 --> 00:03:44,014 Speaker 1: Harbor early Tuesday morning local time by an officer who 68 00:03:44,054 --> 00:03:46,054 Speaker 1: reported that he was driving out of his lane and 69 00:03:46,134 --> 00:03:48,734 Speaker 1: ran a stop sign. He also reported that the singer 70 00:03:48,774 --> 00:03:51,934 Speaker 1: foiled the field sobriety tests and was slow in speech. 71 00:03:52,094 --> 00:03:55,094 Speaker 1: Timberlake claims he only had one martini but refused to 72 00:03:55,134 --> 00:03:58,214 Speaker 1: take a breath test. That's the latest news headlines. Next, 73 00:03:58,294 --> 00:04:01,054 Speaker 1: we meet Diane and Carl, a pair of seventy eight 74 00:04:01,134 --> 00:04:03,414 Speaker 1: ers who were there for the very first Sydney Mardi 75 00:04:03,454 --> 00:04:06,654 Speaker 1: Gras and the fallout and protest that followed, but whose 76 00:04:06,694 --> 00:04:10,014 Speaker 1: experience back then was far from the glitter and sequence 77 00:04:10,054 --> 00:04:24,534 Speaker 1: of today. When Diane Minas and karls Lotkowski walk in 78 00:04:24,614 --> 00:04:27,134 Speaker 1: a Pride Parade in Sydney now in the twenty twenties. 79 00:04:27,494 --> 00:04:31,054 Speaker 1: They describe having mixed emotions about the experience, but also 80 00:04:31,254 --> 00:04:34,054 Speaker 1: point out something that they both see in here and 81 00:04:34,094 --> 00:04:35,094 Speaker 1: how it impacts them. 82 00:04:35,294 --> 00:04:37,814 Speaker 2: So it's pretty amazing you're walking along and people are 83 00:04:37,814 --> 00:04:40,134 Speaker 2: saying thank you to you as well. It's sort of 84 00:04:40,254 --> 00:04:41,334 Speaker 2: very humbling too. 85 00:04:41,814 --> 00:04:45,334 Speaker 3: There are so many more people watching, and it's that 86 00:04:45,454 --> 00:04:48,854 Speaker 3: great press of the crowd, which can be quite intimidating 87 00:04:49,134 --> 00:04:53,694 Speaker 3: at the same time humbling. We hear people crying out 88 00:04:53,854 --> 00:04:57,534 Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you. That draws a fairly 89 00:04:58,054 --> 00:05:02,134 Speaker 3: mixed response for us personally. I found myself always saying, 90 00:05:02,374 --> 00:05:05,014 Speaker 3: why why are you thanking me? What did I do? 91 00:05:05,814 --> 00:05:09,174 Speaker 1: What did I do? That is something that is well 92 00:05:09,174 --> 00:05:14,214 Speaker 1: docu meant it in Australian history. On a cold night 93 00:05:14,254 --> 00:05:16,934 Speaker 1: of June twenty four, nineteen seventy eight, a group of 94 00:05:16,974 --> 00:05:19,334 Speaker 1: a couple of one hundred people had gathered in Sydney 95 00:05:19,454 --> 00:05:21,974 Speaker 1: for a fun night out. In the months leading up 96 00:05:22,014 --> 00:05:24,414 Speaker 1: to that night, a letter had been received from San 97 00:05:24,454 --> 00:05:29,094 Speaker 1: Francisco activists asking for solidarity from community across the world 98 00:05:29,334 --> 00:05:33,854 Speaker 1: against the Briggs Initiative legislation that had been introduced in California, 99 00:05:34,174 --> 00:05:37,454 Speaker 1: which would ban anyone from speaking about homosexuality in a 100 00:05:37,494 --> 00:05:40,494 Speaker 1: school environment, regardless of whether they were a teacher or not. 101 00:05:41,254 --> 00:05:43,974 Speaker 1: It was after that letter was received by activists Ken 102 00:05:44,094 --> 00:05:47,454 Speaker 1: Davis and Annie Telvey that the Gay and Lesbian Solidarity 103 00:05:47,494 --> 00:05:51,814 Speaker 1: Group was formed. They held weekly meetings, organizing Saturday morning 104 00:05:51,854 --> 00:05:55,654 Speaker 1: demonstrations that organized an afternoon forum on the religious right, 105 00:05:55,854 --> 00:05:58,014 Speaker 1: which was gaining ground in the US, and who were 106 00:05:58,014 --> 00:06:01,894 Speaker 1: behind the legislation in question. There was also discussion about 107 00:06:01,894 --> 00:06:04,814 Speaker 1: a fun night event for the community too, so they 108 00:06:04,934 --> 00:06:07,814 Speaker 1: organized a truck and some speakers to play music. They 109 00:06:07,814 --> 00:06:10,214 Speaker 1: got a permit from the police, and the idea for 110 00:06:10,254 --> 00:06:11,614 Speaker 1: the first Marty Graus was born. 111 00:06:12,374 --> 00:06:15,294 Speaker 2: That was going to be our fun event, which was 112 00:06:15,534 --> 00:06:18,014 Speaker 2: meant to appeal to a broader range of people than 113 00:06:18,134 --> 00:06:20,814 Speaker 2: us political types. Wo'd march around in public on a 114 00:06:20,814 --> 00:06:23,334 Speaker 2: Saturday morning and be out to the cameras and all 115 00:06:23,374 --> 00:06:26,574 Speaker 2: that sort of thing. So I went along to Taylor Square. 116 00:06:26,614 --> 00:06:29,094 Speaker 2: We were assembling, and I was excited, and I was 117 00:06:29,134 --> 00:06:32,094 Speaker 2: anticipating that it would be a fun event. And lots 118 00:06:32,134 --> 00:06:35,454 Speaker 2: of people were very happy, and some were dressed up. 119 00:06:35,494 --> 00:06:37,854 Speaker 2: Many of us just wore jeans and jumpers, in our 120 00:06:37,974 --> 00:06:40,934 Speaker 2: daggy style of the time. We had the Pope and 121 00:06:41,014 --> 00:06:44,294 Speaker 2: some David Bowie look alikes and some people in drag 122 00:06:44,774 --> 00:06:48,774 Speaker 2: Ken Davis was in country and western frock and some makeup. 123 00:06:48,974 --> 00:06:49,654 Speaker 2: It was fun. 124 00:06:50,294 --> 00:06:53,574 Speaker 1: Diane says that while they knew police had targeted protests 125 00:06:53,614 --> 00:06:55,654 Speaker 1: in the past, after all, it was part of the 126 00:06:55,694 --> 00:06:58,814 Speaker 1: reason they were protesting too, but it wasn't the sole focus. 127 00:07:00,134 --> 00:07:02,894 Speaker 2: One of our main chants, which did come into play 128 00:07:02,974 --> 00:07:06,774 Speaker 2: later that night was stop police attacks on gay's, women 129 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:15,814 Speaker 2: in blacks, because the police used to attack demonstrations, women's demonstrations, 130 00:07:15,854 --> 00:07:21,254 Speaker 2: gaate demonstrations, Aboriginal demonstrations. We weren't overtly marching for other 131 00:07:21,294 --> 00:07:24,214 Speaker 2: groups at that stage. We were there to have fun 132 00:07:24,254 --> 00:07:27,214 Speaker 2: for our community. There were straight our lives there as well. 133 00:07:27,534 --> 00:07:29,894 Speaker 2: It was just a fun thing that was advertised on 134 00:07:29,974 --> 00:07:33,094 Speaker 2: Double Jay Radio. It was in The Australian, which was 135 00:07:33,134 --> 00:07:35,974 Speaker 2: a much more progressive paper then than it is now. 136 00:07:36,494 --> 00:07:39,054 Speaker 2: It drew a diverse crowd and it drew people who 137 00:07:39,094 --> 00:07:43,134 Speaker 2: wouldn't normally come to an overtly political demonstration because it 138 00:07:43,174 --> 00:07:45,734 Speaker 2: was more of a fun event, and also drew people 139 00:07:45,774 --> 00:07:48,574 Speaker 2: who might not want to be seen there to be 140 00:07:48,654 --> 00:07:49,934 Speaker 2: forced out at the closet. 141 00:07:50,494 --> 00:07:53,294 Speaker 1: Diane, were you nervous about stepping out that night? Was 142 00:07:53,334 --> 00:07:56,014 Speaker 1: there an awareness of the potential dangers of doing what 143 00:07:56,054 --> 00:07:56,574 Speaker 1: you were doing? 144 00:07:57,134 --> 00:08:01,414 Speaker 2: Personally and foolishly, I didn't realize that it would get 145 00:08:01,454 --> 00:08:04,774 Speaker 2: as nasty as it got. There were people who came 146 00:08:04,814 --> 00:08:07,774 Speaker 2: along who had bail money at the ready, but it 147 00:08:07,894 --> 00:08:10,814 Speaker 2: just didn't figure into our discussions the Gay Solidarity group 148 00:08:10,894 --> 00:08:13,574 Speaker 2: in any big way. Because we had a police permit 149 00:08:13,774 --> 00:08:16,614 Speaker 2: and we were sauntering down Oxford Street behind the truck 150 00:08:16,654 --> 00:08:20,574 Speaker 2: a couple of songs playing. The police started hurrying us 151 00:08:20,694 --> 00:08:23,094 Speaker 2: up and we were supposed to go into Hyde Park 152 00:08:23,214 --> 00:08:24,854 Speaker 2: and have a bit of a dance around the truck, 153 00:08:24,894 --> 00:08:27,574 Speaker 2: and that was it. They stopped us just before we 154 00:08:27,614 --> 00:08:30,094 Speaker 2: got to Hyde Park, took the keys out of the 155 00:08:30,134 --> 00:08:33,174 Speaker 2: truck and tried to grab the driver as well. There 156 00:08:33,254 --> 00:08:35,174 Speaker 2: was a bit of a malay happening down there at 157 00:08:35,174 --> 00:08:38,494 Speaker 2: that stage bit of agro. The police were very outnumbered. 158 00:08:39,214 --> 00:08:42,334 Speaker 2: They couldn't do a lot, and some people left that stage, 159 00:08:42,454 --> 00:08:46,174 Speaker 2: probably wisely given the nature of the police at that stage, 160 00:08:46,294 --> 00:08:49,654 Speaker 2: and there were some spontaneous shouts of the cross. While 161 00:08:49,734 --> 00:08:52,534 Speaker 2: Oxford Street was our main GALISVI in area. There was 162 00:08:52,614 --> 00:08:55,414 Speaker 2: bars in the cross as well, and it was the 163 00:08:55,454 --> 00:08:57,494 Speaker 2: red light district and all that sort of things. So 164 00:08:57,574 --> 00:09:00,734 Speaker 2: we linked arms marched up William Street without having the 165 00:09:00,774 --> 00:09:04,534 Speaker 2: traffic stop for us. Once we got through that main 166 00:09:04,574 --> 00:09:07,454 Speaker 2: part of Darninghurst Road to the L A. Lamine Fountain, 167 00:09:07,774 --> 00:09:11,014 Speaker 2: we started to disperse, but by that stage the police 168 00:09:11,014 --> 00:09:13,974 Speaker 2: had blocked every exit off and we couldn't disperse and 169 00:09:14,014 --> 00:09:14,894 Speaker 2: we were entrapped. 170 00:09:15,654 --> 00:09:18,534 Speaker 1: Can you talk me through the feeling when police started 171 00:09:18,734 --> 00:09:20,174 Speaker 1: grabbing people and arresting them. 172 00:09:20,574 --> 00:09:25,294 Speaker 2: It was very, very traumatic and nasty. A friend Joe, 173 00:09:25,334 --> 00:09:28,974 Speaker 2: had Ken and I in a shop doorway. I had 174 00:09:29,014 --> 00:09:31,814 Speaker 2: my leg in a walking plaster because I had broken 175 00:09:31,894 --> 00:09:34,934 Speaker 2: bones in my foot from a motorbike accident, so I 176 00:09:34,934 --> 00:09:38,014 Speaker 2: would have been more vulnerable and Ken in address would 177 00:09:38,014 --> 00:09:41,254 Speaker 2: have been more vulnerable. We had a shocking view of 178 00:09:41,294 --> 00:09:44,534 Speaker 2: the violence and police grabbing people and throwing them bodily 179 00:09:44,534 --> 00:09:48,014 Speaker 2: into wagons and slamming doors on their legs, and a 180 00:09:48,054 --> 00:09:50,894 Speaker 2: couple of women had their heads bashed against the side 181 00:09:50,894 --> 00:09:56,534 Speaker 2: of the wagon. I didn't realize until years later the 182 00:09:56,614 --> 00:09:59,734 Speaker 2: trauma we all carried, you know, from that, even if 183 00:09:59,774 --> 00:10:02,894 Speaker 2: we weren't physically involved in the violence, but witnessing it. 184 00:10:03,374 --> 00:10:07,214 Speaker 2: The Darlinghurst police who covered that area weren't just ordinary police. 185 00:10:07,254 --> 00:10:10,534 Speaker 2: They were a very corrupt group who took money from 186 00:10:10,654 --> 00:10:15,014 Speaker 2: all sorts of businesses, even legitimate businesses. They took advantage 187 00:10:15,054 --> 00:10:18,934 Speaker 2: of street workers. There was local homeless kids, there was 188 00:10:19,574 --> 00:10:23,294 Speaker 2: Aboriginal people. The locals joined in and thought back because 189 00:10:23,334 --> 00:10:27,734 Speaker 2: the Dubs police were just so notoriously nasty and corrupt. 190 00:10:28,174 --> 00:10:31,534 Speaker 1: I've read the quote from some of the people who 191 00:10:31,614 --> 00:10:35,214 Speaker 1: were outside Darlinghurst Police station after those people got arrested, 192 00:10:35,374 --> 00:10:38,894 Speaker 1: saying that they could hear their compatriots inside being beaten 193 00:10:39,054 --> 00:10:41,694 Speaker 1: and hear their cries of pain. Yes, like you talk 194 00:10:41,774 --> 00:10:44,094 Speaker 1: about the trauma staying with you, even if you weren't 195 00:10:44,094 --> 00:10:48,094 Speaker 1: one directly involved in violence, That alone must be incredibly 196 00:10:48,134 --> 00:10:51,414 Speaker 1: traumatic to know that your friends are being hurt by 197 00:10:51,454 --> 00:10:53,374 Speaker 1: police and there's really nothing you can do. 198 00:10:53,894 --> 00:10:57,854 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were outside chanting. We've gone down to 199 00:10:57,934 --> 00:11:01,614 Speaker 2: the Dullinghurst police station after the police wagons took off, 200 00:11:01,654 --> 00:11:04,254 Speaker 2: but we later found out was fifty three people. There 201 00:11:04,294 --> 00:11:07,054 Speaker 2: was actually a few more people taken in but not 202 00:11:07,254 --> 00:11:10,814 Speaker 2: formally arrested because they were underage. The police rang their 203 00:11:10,854 --> 00:11:13,494 Speaker 2: parents to come and get them. We chanted and people 204 00:11:13,494 --> 00:11:15,894 Speaker 2: told us they could hear what we were chanting, which 205 00:11:16,254 --> 00:11:18,414 Speaker 2: is the aim of what we were doing. Obviously we 206 00:11:18,534 --> 00:11:27,654 Speaker 2: also sang we shall overcome, shall we mostly overcame eventually, 207 00:11:27,934 --> 00:11:30,934 Speaker 2: so it was very poignant singing that. There was also 208 00:11:31,014 --> 00:11:35,374 Speaker 2: a big rush to get lawyers and doctors fail money, 209 00:11:35,414 --> 00:11:37,694 Speaker 2: and this was before mobile phones, so people had to 210 00:11:37,694 --> 00:11:40,774 Speaker 2: get run and find public phones and go to their 211 00:11:40,774 --> 00:11:43,934 Speaker 2: households and get their kitty money. It was a big effort. 212 00:11:44,454 --> 00:11:48,614 Speaker 1: Was there any idea of the consequences that would follow then, 213 00:11:48,774 --> 00:11:52,014 Speaker 1: Diana mean, the Sydney Morning Herald published people's names, addresses 214 00:11:52,054 --> 00:11:54,774 Speaker 1: and occupations, and the fallout from that was incredible on 215 00:11:54,814 --> 00:11:57,534 Speaker 1: those people's lives, the fifty three who were arrested. Yes, 216 00:11:57,734 --> 00:12:01,294 Speaker 1: was there any idea of that potentially being something that 217 00:12:01,334 --> 00:12:03,454 Speaker 1: would be the fallout from you guys just having this 218 00:12:03,494 --> 00:12:04,614 Speaker 1: fun night out in the city. 219 00:12:05,174 --> 00:12:09,054 Speaker 2: No. No, The thing is the police often attacked demonstrations 220 00:12:09,774 --> 00:12:13,974 Speaker 2: and under the Insummary Offensive Law, which was repealed the 221 00:12:14,014 --> 00:12:17,454 Speaker 2: following year, they could pick up who they liked whatever 222 00:12:17,534 --> 00:12:21,534 Speaker 2: was deemed dis offensive behavior, even though lesbian sex wasn't 223 00:12:21,534 --> 00:12:25,214 Speaker 2: illegal like gay mail sex was two women kissing in 224 00:12:25,294 --> 00:12:28,014 Speaker 2: Hyde Park could be arrested by the police or were 225 00:12:28,094 --> 00:12:31,214 Speaker 2: arrested by the police, and then the Herald published all 226 00:12:31,294 --> 00:12:34,214 Speaker 2: the names. Now they told us years later that they 227 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:39,054 Speaker 2: always published the names, addresses, occupations and ages of people 228 00:12:39,214 --> 00:12:41,974 Speaker 2: in court cases, but they were usually on eight point 229 00:12:42,054 --> 00:12:45,294 Speaker 2: type in the back pages. Somewhere this was on page 230 00:12:45,334 --> 00:12:48,774 Speaker 2: three and very prominent. And other people had their photos 231 00:12:48,934 --> 00:12:52,694 Speaker 2: splashed across the front pages of other daily papers as well. 232 00:12:53,334 --> 00:12:56,614 Speaker 2: People lost their jobs, they were outed to their families, 233 00:12:56,854 --> 00:13:01,334 Speaker 2: they lost contact, some people had rental tendencies terminated. There 234 00:13:01,334 --> 00:13:04,254 Speaker 2: were lots of things like that, and lots of very 235 00:13:04,254 --> 00:13:06,774 Speaker 2: traumatic things happened to people as a result. 236 00:13:07,814 --> 00:13:12,174 Speaker 1: Fast forward a year from then, and after all that fallout, 237 00:13:12,214 --> 00:13:14,454 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, some of the laws were repealed and 238 00:13:14,814 --> 00:13:17,214 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine marti Gras was allowed to go ahead, 239 00:13:17,214 --> 00:13:19,534 Speaker 1: which you've mentioned was much much colder than the year before. 240 00:13:20,094 --> 00:13:22,934 Speaker 1: But what was the feeling like stepping out for that 241 00:13:23,054 --> 00:13:25,574 Speaker 1: second time? Were you more fearful and nervous this time, 242 00:13:25,694 --> 00:13:27,134 Speaker 1: or were you more determined than ever? 243 00:13:27,614 --> 00:13:30,174 Speaker 2: We were very determined to have a second marti gras. 244 00:13:30,334 --> 00:13:34,054 Speaker 2: If the police reaction hadn't happened to the extent that 245 00:13:34,134 --> 00:13:36,854 Speaker 2: it did. It may not have been a second Marti Gras, 246 00:13:37,094 --> 00:13:40,334 Speaker 2: because that first Marti Gras was a watershed for our 247 00:13:40,534 --> 00:13:44,694 Speaker 2: community and galvanized so many people, and there was an 248 00:13:44,774 --> 00:13:48,494 Speaker 2: upsurge of activism that followed that, including the second Marti Gras. 249 00:13:48,574 --> 00:13:51,054 Speaker 2: I was on a megaphone doing some marshaling, and I 250 00:13:51,174 --> 00:13:54,094 Speaker 2: was very very nervous as well as very very cold. 251 00:13:54,894 --> 00:13:57,534 Speaker 2: It was just such a huge relief that we got 252 00:13:57,534 --> 00:13:59,534 Speaker 2: through without any arrests. 253 00:14:01,374 --> 00:14:03,654 Speaker 1: Karl wasn't in Sydney at the time of the first 254 00:14:03,694 --> 00:14:06,374 Speaker 1: Marti Gras. The news of the police right not reaching 255 00:14:06,454 --> 00:14:09,694 Speaker 1: him in Canberra, but his boyfriend was and it was 256 00:14:09,734 --> 00:14:12,174 Speaker 1: on a visit to see him that he finally understood 257 00:14:12,214 --> 00:14:13,294 Speaker 1: what had happened that night. 258 00:14:13,814 --> 00:14:17,094 Speaker 3: He actually had some history with the Darlinghurst police. He'd 259 00:14:17,134 --> 00:14:19,854 Speaker 3: been bashed in the cells at Darlinghurst at one point. 260 00:14:20,174 --> 00:14:23,214 Speaker 3: In the morning of the fifteenth of July. We woke 261 00:14:23,334 --> 00:14:26,494 Speaker 3: up and he said, listen, there's this demo on protesting 262 00:14:26,534 --> 00:14:30,814 Speaker 3: against the arrests. And I said what arrest and he explained, 263 00:14:31,214 --> 00:14:33,494 Speaker 3: and I said, right, well, all right, let's go. So 264 00:14:33,614 --> 00:14:33,974 Speaker 3: we went. 265 00:14:34,574 --> 00:14:38,014 Speaker 1: That demonstration would mark a ramping up of political activity 266 00:14:38,014 --> 00:14:42,094 Speaker 1: around LGBTQA plus rights making it more visible to the 267 00:14:42,134 --> 00:14:43,574 Speaker 1: wider Australian community. 268 00:14:44,054 --> 00:14:49,094 Speaker 3: That was the first large Sydney demonstration as part of 269 00:14:49,134 --> 00:14:52,454 Speaker 3: the Drop the Chargers campaign, which was kicked off in 270 00:14:52,534 --> 00:14:55,374 Speaker 3: an immediate aftermath of the first Marti Rara on the 271 00:14:55,414 --> 00:14:58,254 Speaker 3: twenty fourth of June. In actual fact, the first of 272 00:14:58,334 --> 00:15:01,974 Speaker 3: the demonstrations as part of that campaign was in Melbourne, 273 00:15:02,214 --> 00:15:06,294 Speaker 3: but Sydney managed to turn out two thousand people on 274 00:15:06,374 --> 00:15:08,934 Speaker 3: the fifteenth of July, and I was one of them. 275 00:15:09,614 --> 00:15:14,254 Speaker 3: That was the largest gasbian protest demonstration in Australia up 276 00:15:14,374 --> 00:15:16,974 Speaker 3: until that time. We went up Williams Street, we went 277 00:15:17,174 --> 00:15:21,294 Speaker 3: around past Saint Vincent's Hospital and back round to a 278 00:15:21,374 --> 00:15:25,574 Speaker 3: face off outside Darling Has Police station. There were no 279 00:15:25,734 --> 00:15:29,214 Speaker 3: police in evidence. We subsequently discovered that they'd been given 280 00:15:29,254 --> 00:15:32,974 Speaker 3: specific instructions from the premiere to keep a low profile 281 00:15:33,414 --> 00:15:35,894 Speaker 3: and their definition of doing this was to hide in 282 00:15:35,934 --> 00:15:39,814 Speaker 3: the side street en mass and when they decided that 283 00:15:39,974 --> 00:15:43,374 Speaker 3: a provocative act had taken place, there was an attempt 284 00:15:43,414 --> 00:15:46,934 Speaker 3: to rush the front doors of the police station. They 285 00:15:47,214 --> 00:15:51,774 Speaker 3: suddenly appeared and converged on all of us from all directions, 286 00:15:52,094 --> 00:15:56,094 Speaker 3: with no warning to disperse. This was their tactic at 287 00:15:56,134 --> 00:15:57,734 Speaker 3: the time, and this is what they did in the 288 00:15:57,814 --> 00:16:01,254 Speaker 3: King's Cross on the twenty fourth, a struggle into I 289 00:16:01,574 --> 00:16:04,814 Speaker 3: got caught in quite a bit of struggle, but brokery 290 00:16:04,854 --> 00:16:13,694 Speaker 3: and ran away. 291 00:16:09,774 --> 00:16:12,894 Speaker 1: The momentum of nineteen seventy eight, changing laws and pushing 292 00:16:12,894 --> 00:16:15,134 Speaker 1: the cause further than at any other time in history. 293 00:16:15,614 --> 00:16:18,894 Speaker 1: Karl remains concerned that the freedoms they fought for are 294 00:16:18,934 --> 00:16:22,614 Speaker 1: again eroding, especially when things like Drag Queen's story Time 295 00:16:22,694 --> 00:16:25,774 Speaker 1: and library books about same sex parenting are targeted and 296 00:16:25,814 --> 00:16:29,494 Speaker 1: the moral panic around transgender people is more apparent, saying 297 00:16:29,494 --> 00:16:31,374 Speaker 1: the fight doesn't end with them. 298 00:16:32,094 --> 00:16:36,014 Speaker 3: We feel that we have a duty to constantly remind 299 00:16:36,854 --> 00:16:40,574 Speaker 3: those who have come after us what we stood up 300 00:16:40,614 --> 00:16:45,054 Speaker 3: for and remind them of the need to continually protect 301 00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:46,374 Speaker 3: those freedoms. 302 00:16:46,814 --> 00:16:49,494 Speaker 1: Is there a fear that people will become complacent. 303 00:16:49,454 --> 00:16:52,254 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. There's not much that can be done about 304 00:16:52,334 --> 00:16:56,454 Speaker 3: that other than constantly reminding people that it could all 305 00:16:56,534 --> 00:16:57,174 Speaker 3: happen again. 306 00:17:01,694 --> 00:17:03,694 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in today, friends, If you want to 307 00:17:03,734 --> 00:17:06,854 Speaker 1: read Diane and Carl's book voices from nineteen seventy eight, 308 00:17:06,894 --> 00:17:10,094 Speaker 1: the first Sydney Gain lesbian Mardi grask to it in 309 00:17:10,134 --> 00:17:13,134 Speaker 1: our show notes. The Quickie is produced by me Claire 310 00:17:13,214 --> 00:17:15,894 Speaker 1: Murphy and I'll Send You producer Taylor Strano, with audio 311 00:17:15,894 --> 00:17:17,254 Speaker 1: production by Tom Lyon.