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Speaker 2: Makeup is My Therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to you, bounie. This is the daily

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Speaker 1: podcast for Your Face. I'm Kelly mcgarrett.

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Speaker 2: I'm Eron Duckerty. I'm not Lee Campbell, not Lee Campbell.

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Speaker 1: But what are we doing today, Eric, Well.

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Speaker 2: Today we've got a great question about the side effects

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Speaker 2: of acneum medication. But first we're actually answering a question

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Speaker 2: about exfolio. Oh I couldn't help, but wonder asked me anything.

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Speaker 3: You ask many questions, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Lovely ladies.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could please explain all of

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Speaker 1: the different types of exfoliance and how or when to

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Speaker 1: use them. I'm so confused by aja, bj sala, silic acid,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to mess up my skin barrier.

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Speaker 1: How do I incorporate all into a good routine with

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Speaker 1: an exfoliant too? Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.

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Speaker 2: This is such a good question because how confusing is it?

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Speaker 2: It would be so confused just all these letters of

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Speaker 2: the alphabet.

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Speaker 1: Every couple of months something else comes out and it'll

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, this is a new type of acid.

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Speaker 1: Where am I supposed to place this in my routine.

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Speaker 2: Place when I've already got forty five of the exactly So,

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Speaker 2: such a good question. I'm going to talk through what

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Speaker 2: they actually are, and I want you to actually get

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Speaker 2: into the nitty gritty of how to put them in

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Speaker 2: your catein, because I feel like you're going to be

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Speaker 2: good at that. So basically, AHHA's alpha hydroxy acids and

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Speaker 2: bhh's better hydroxy acids are both chemical exfoliants, and they

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Speaker 2: branch out and they've got their own little exfoliant families

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Speaker 2: as well. So generally the most popular at cha's are

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Speaker 2: glycolic acid and lactic acid, and they generally have a

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Speaker 2: goal of kind of slamming off all your dead skin

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Speaker 2: and improving cell turnover. So pretty much exfoliates the top

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Speaker 2: layers of your skin to boost the radiance, make your

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Speaker 2: skin look even. Why have you got a question?

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Speaker 3: Can I hand?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't have a question. I just want to

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Speaker 1: interrupt you for a second.

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Speaker 2: There she goes, I have a really good analogy. You

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to hold on. It's a good analogy, though, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I just want you to think of all chemical exfoliants

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Speaker 1: And the different types of exfoliant is how strong, yes

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Speaker 2: So that was going to be my next thing. They've

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Speaker 3: Suck.

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Speaker 2: It's not sucking anything. They also promised to stimulate collagen production,

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Speaker 2: which is why it's such a popular ingredient in anti

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Speaker 2: as are great for anyone. Really, They've got so many benefits.

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Speaker 2: But which one again depends on the concentration and your

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Speaker 1: It could come into different formulas, but it is generally

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Speaker 1: one of the more mild versions, milder forms a chemical exfoliant.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't touch on yet the bhchase.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing it now. So the bhchase are another popular

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Speaker 2: BHA is salicilic acid, and it's usually found in acne

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Speaker 2: products right kel.

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Speaker 1: Because he's heavy, Judy munch.

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Speaker 2: He gets right down into your pores, munches all the

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Speaker 2: A little bit on how you incorporate it into your routine,

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Speaker 1: The easiest way to come up with a really good

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Speaker 1: So let's just say that the cycle starts every four days.

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Speaker 1: If the actives you're using a mild, you can probably

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Speaker 1: So that is what skin cycling is. It sounds so

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Speaker 2: I feel like we simplified that well behind you to eron.

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Speaker 2: We're not just pretty faced coming up after the break.

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Speaker 2: We have a listener looking for missed recommendations as we

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Speaker 2: people will find our recommendations useful. Kate has asked I

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Speaker 2: recently started taking a medication prescribed by my dermatologist for acne,

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Speaker 2: and it has completely dried me out. While I'm on

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Speaker 2: from oily combo to very dry and dehydrated. I've made

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Speaker 2: some changes to my skincare, for example, stopped using most

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Speaker 2: toners and essences. However, I'm still feeling very dry and

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Speaker 2: skin some much needed hydration. Thanking you your dryness.

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Speaker 1: O Cake, Well, hello your dryness.

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Speaker 1: Relate hard, relate over here as a fellow dry lauded lizard.

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Speaker 1: an oil based cleanser or a milky cleanser. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: It's just going to strip it. Even if it says gentle,

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Speaker 1: still be using something really mild, like a lactic or

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Speaker 1: even a mandelic acid. Paula's Choice have released a really

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Speaker 2: as you said, that could help.

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Speaker 1: Next thing, I do have a couple of mists to recommend.

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Speaker 1: What I'm going to recommend are oil based mysts, so

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Speaker 1: So that's what I would actually recommend trying and oiel based.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna hate my recommendations because minor water based.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see.

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Speaker 2: Did you just look at them and they just say that,

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Speaker 1: But tell me your reasoning why you're recommending water based.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, because I've got really dry skin and quite

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Speaker 2: sensitive and irritated skin, so when it is having a

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Speaker 2: help you, and they help me. But again, I haven't

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Speaker 2: used acne medication before. Yes, I've got lots of friends

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Speaker 2: these are some recommendations I gave them for their dry skin.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Also to your point, I'm going to stick up

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Speaker 1: for you here with these. Potentially the oil based might

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Speaker 1: I would actually opt for on oil base. But you

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Speaker 1: talk to us about your water based products, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: way they are great.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love this question because we both have dry skin,

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Speaker 2: so I feel like we both have experienced similar kind

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Speaker 2: of symptoms before. On my list, I've got the EVN

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Speaker 2: Thermal spring water. It's around fifteen dollars. At the chemist,

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Speaker 2: your bag. I have one at my desk that I

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Speaker 1: One of mine that I'm recommending is the Tucha Luminous Dewey.

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Speaker 1: last one is the Esmi Skin Minerals refreshing and hydrating

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Speaker 1: I will find a way.

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Speaker 2: God help me. You want to make up, let me

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is a host how to, So it's

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Speaker 2: Frida, I don't think you're getting rid of me, my friend. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be back in your ears all week,

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