1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:23,334 Speaker 1: is recorded on. Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma 4 00:00:23,374 --> 00:00:26,974 Speaker 1: MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quikie. The women we're 5 00:00:27,014 --> 00:00:30,254 Speaker 1: seeing really smashing the awards season this year looking a 6 00:00:30,254 --> 00:00:33,254 Speaker 1: little different. Instead of fading away as they age like 7 00:00:33,334 --> 00:00:35,814 Speaker 1: some of the actresses who came before them, gen X 8 00:00:35,854 --> 00:00:38,334 Speaker 1: women are doing some of their best work now heading 9 00:00:38,334 --> 00:00:41,414 Speaker 1: into their fifties and sixties, and not just as the 10 00:00:41,454 --> 00:00:44,894 Speaker 1: aging matriarch or the grandmar role. Today we find out 11 00:00:44,894 --> 00:00:47,894 Speaker 1: what's changing in Hollywood to make that happen. But first, 12 00:00:47,934 --> 00:00:50,934 Speaker 1: here's the latest from the Quikie Newsroom. Friday, January thirty one, 13 00:00:51,174 --> 00:00:54,334 Speaker 1: Former Treasurer Josh Fridenberg has accused the Prime Minister of 14 00:00:54,374 --> 00:00:57,494 Speaker 1: failing to set red lines that cannot be crossed after 15 00:00:57,534 --> 00:01:01,254 Speaker 1: anti Semitic attacks continue to increase in Australia. The former 16 00:01:01,294 --> 00:01:04,174 Speaker 1: Liberal Party Deputy leader said the discovery of a caravan 17 00:01:04,254 --> 00:01:08,134 Speaker 1: filled with explosives and notes, including the addresses of Jewish targets, 18 00:01:08,534 --> 00:01:10,694 Speaker 1: was the latest in a long list of incidents that 19 00:01:10,734 --> 00:01:14,134 Speaker 1: have left the Jewish community feeling less safe, Fredenburg, saying 20 00:01:14,174 --> 00:01:16,694 Speaker 1: people are afraid to send their kids to school or 21 00:01:16,734 --> 00:01:20,254 Speaker 1: gather at places of worship. Fredenburg also claims he's had 22 00:01:20,294 --> 00:01:22,894 Speaker 1: to refer threats to his own personal safety to the 23 00:01:22,934 --> 00:01:26,014 Speaker 1: federal police, saying the Prime Minister should have set red 24 00:01:26,054 --> 00:01:28,294 Speaker 1: lines that were not to be crossed to make sure 25 00:01:28,374 --> 00:01:31,934 Speaker 1: culprits were arrested, convicted and punished. But because of that 26 00:01:32,054 --> 00:01:35,014 Speaker 1: absence of action, those who hate and those who harm 27 00:01:35,134 --> 00:01:38,894 Speaker 1: have been emboldened. It's believed all sixty four people on 28 00:01:38,934 --> 00:01:41,774 Speaker 1: board an American Airlines flight that collided with the US 29 00:01:41,854 --> 00:01:44,934 Speaker 1: Army helicopter near Washington have died in what has been 30 00:01:44,974 --> 00:01:48,494 Speaker 1: called the worst US aviation disaster in more than twenty years. 31 00:01:48,894 --> 00:01:50,934 Speaker 1: Twenty eight bodies were pulled from the water of the 32 00:01:50,974 --> 00:01:54,134 Speaker 1: Potomac River where the jet crash landed late Wednesday night 33 00:01:54,414 --> 00:01:57,334 Speaker 1: as it was coming into land at Ronald Reagan National Airport. 34 00:01:57,694 --> 00:02:00,574 Speaker 1: There were sixty passengers and four crew members on board 35 00:02:00,574 --> 00:02:04,934 Speaker 1: the jet, including fourteen US figure skaters and Russian former 36 00:02:04,974 --> 00:02:08,534 Speaker 1: world champions of Genny Eshishkeva and Nadim Numov. There were 37 00:02:08,574 --> 00:02:11,894 Speaker 1: three soldiers aboard the helicopter. The local fire chief telling 38 00:02:11,934 --> 00:02:15,174 Speaker 1: media they don't believe there are any survivors. The cause 39 00:02:15,214 --> 00:02:17,934 Speaker 1: of the crash is still being investigated, with no clear 40 00:02:18,014 --> 00:02:20,614 Speaker 1: theory as to why the black Hawk helicopter ended up 41 00:02:20,614 --> 00:02:23,414 Speaker 1: in the path of the landing jet. Flight conditions were 42 00:02:23,414 --> 00:02:26,014 Speaker 1: clear at the time of the collision, with air traffic 43 00:02:26,014 --> 00:02:28,734 Speaker 1: control saying that asked the helicopter crew if they had 44 00:02:28,774 --> 00:02:32,654 Speaker 1: the American Airlines plane in sight right before the crash. 45 00:02:32,894 --> 00:02:36,654 Speaker 1: After a chaotic handover of two more hostages caused delays 46 00:02:36,694 --> 00:02:39,974 Speaker 1: in the prisoner swap, Israel has now began releasing one 47 00:02:40,094 --> 00:02:44,214 Speaker 1: hundred and ten Palestinian prisoners. Twenty nine year old Arbel Yehud, 48 00:02:44,254 --> 00:02:47,294 Speaker 1: who was abducted from a kibbutz on October seven, looked 49 00:02:47,294 --> 00:02:49,614 Speaker 1: in fear of her safety as she struggled to walk 50 00:02:49,654 --> 00:02:52,254 Speaker 1: through a crowd of armed militants as she was being 51 00:02:52,254 --> 00:02:55,854 Speaker 1: handed over to the waiting Red Cross personnel, causing tensions 52 00:02:55,894 --> 00:02:59,374 Speaker 1: between the parties. Israel delayed the release of prisoners until 53 00:02:59,414 --> 00:03:03,334 Speaker 1: assurances were given that the handovers would confirm safe passage. 54 00:03:03,494 --> 00:03:06,934 Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnah, who also threatened death to 55 00:03:07,014 --> 00:03:11,334 Speaker 1: anyone who harmed any hostages during this time. Another Israeli hostage. 56 00:03:11,374 --> 00:03:14,614 Speaker 1: Eighty year old Guardi Moses was also set free, along 57 00:03:14,614 --> 00:03:17,534 Speaker 1: with five Thai nationals who were working on Israeli farms 58 00:03:17,534 --> 00:03:21,654 Speaker 1: near Gaza when militants broke through the border fence. Catherine, 59 00:03:21,694 --> 00:03:24,694 Speaker 1: the Princess of Wales, has followed her mother in law's footsteps, 60 00:03:24,734 --> 00:03:27,694 Speaker 1: spending time with children at a charity that Princess Diana 61 00:03:27,734 --> 00:03:30,854 Speaker 1: supported in her final years. The Princess laughed as she 62 00:03:30,894 --> 00:03:32,774 Speaker 1: helped a four year old girl paint her hand to 63 00:03:32,814 --> 00:03:35,534 Speaker 1: make a print before she had her own hand painted 64 00:03:35,534 --> 00:03:38,054 Speaker 1: by another child to add her print to the wall 65 00:03:38,094 --> 00:03:40,094 Speaker 1: of hands that lead through the main corridor of the 66 00:03:40,174 --> 00:03:43,494 Speaker 1: children's hospice in North Wales. Parents of the children who 67 00:03:43,574 --> 00:03:46,734 Speaker 1: interacted with the princess say she was warm and easy 68 00:03:46,814 --> 00:03:49,134 Speaker 1: to talk to, saying it was obvious she was a 69 00:03:49,214 --> 00:03:51,534 Speaker 1: mum with how she spoke with the youngsters around her. 70 00:03:51,814 --> 00:03:55,254 Speaker 1: Princess Diana was supposed to be the charity's patron, but 71 00:03:55,334 --> 00:03:59,174 Speaker 1: she sadly died two years before the center's construction was complete. 72 00:03:59,414 --> 00:04:02,894 Speaker 1: The hospice helps children with life altering illnesses and their siblings. 73 00:04:03,174 --> 00:04:05,574 Speaker 1: One family who were told their son Felix would only 74 00:04:05,614 --> 00:04:07,734 Speaker 1: live until he was four at the most, but has 75 00:04:07,814 --> 00:04:11,414 Speaker 1: defied odds Now twelve explained how the hospice helps his 76 00:04:11,534 --> 00:04:14,414 Speaker 1: two younger siblings prepare for the fact that Felix won't 77 00:04:14,454 --> 00:04:16,734 Speaker 1: be with them for a long time. That's the latest 78 00:04:16,774 --> 00:04:19,774 Speaker 1: news headlines. Next, the leading ladies of Hollywood are getting 79 00:04:19,814 --> 00:04:26,574 Speaker 1: older and they're not going quietly. Do you know how 80 00:04:26,614 --> 00:04:29,054 Speaker 1: old the Golden Girls were when they began their iconic 81 00:04:29,094 --> 00:04:32,254 Speaker 1: show in nineteen eighty five? Betty White and b Arthur 82 00:04:32,494 --> 00:04:36,134 Speaker 1: were sixty three, Estelle Geddy, who played Dorothy's mother, Little 83 00:04:36,134 --> 00:04:38,974 Speaker 1: Old Sophia, was actually younger than her on screen daughter 84 00:04:39,014 --> 00:04:42,094 Speaker 1: at sixty two, and Rue McClanahan was fifty one. 85 00:04:42,214 --> 00:04:44,374 Speaker 2: Forgive me Rose, but I haven't had sex and fifteen 86 00:04:44,454 --> 00:04:46,054 Speaker 2: years and is starting to get on my nerves. 87 00:04:47,454 --> 00:04:50,174 Speaker 1: Now, let's compare those women who we saw back then 88 00:04:50,254 --> 00:04:53,374 Speaker 1: as well into old age Sassy retired and in their 89 00:04:53,374 --> 00:04:57,374 Speaker 1: golden era, to the women gracing our screens today. Demi Moore, 90 00:04:57,494 --> 00:04:59,374 Speaker 1: who just won a Golden Globe and is one of 91 00:04:59,374 --> 00:05:01,694 Speaker 1: the Oscar favorites this year for her portrayal of a 92 00:05:01,774 --> 00:05:04,734 Speaker 1: starlet obsessed with a new anti aging regime after being 93 00:05:04,814 --> 00:05:07,414 Speaker 1: dumped from her job at fifty in the Substance is 94 00:05:07,494 --> 00:05:11,254 Speaker 1: sixty two. Jennifer Coolidge, who's been delighting audiences in her 95 00:05:11,254 --> 00:05:14,054 Speaker 1: turn on the TV show White Lotus is sixty three, 96 00:05:14,534 --> 00:05:17,414 Speaker 1: Oscar nominee Fernanda Torres, who stars and I'm Still Here 97 00:05:17,494 --> 00:05:20,454 Speaker 1: is fifty nine. Jodi Foster, who won a Golden Globe 98 00:05:20,454 --> 00:05:23,694 Speaker 1: for her role in True Detective Night Country is sixty two, 99 00:05:24,174 --> 00:05:27,414 Speaker 1: and Jelina Jolie is Jeshy of fifty, Isabella or Selinius 100 00:05:27,414 --> 00:05:30,494 Speaker 1: seventy one. And Nicole Kidman, who plays a high powered 101 00:05:30,534 --> 00:05:33,734 Speaker 1: CEO who gets into an illicit relationship with her much 102 00:05:33,774 --> 00:05:37,134 Speaker 1: younger intern in Baby Girl, where he is the dominant partner, 103 00:05:37,454 --> 00:05:40,814 Speaker 1: is fifty seven. Now, this seems to be shifting from 104 00:05:41,054 --> 00:05:44,174 Speaker 1: just ten years ago when this iconic sketch aired on 105 00:05:44,294 --> 00:05:48,174 Speaker 1: season three of Inside Amy Schumer. Is it someone's birthdayre 106 00:05:48,614 --> 00:05:50,614 Speaker 1: well the opposite. 107 00:05:50,614 --> 00:05:52,774 Speaker 2: We're celebrating Julia's last fuckable day? 108 00:05:52,894 --> 00:05:56,294 Speaker 1: Yeah? Sorry, did you see Julia's last fuckable day? In 109 00:05:56,334 --> 00:05:59,734 Speaker 1: every actress's life, the media decides when you finally reach 110 00:05:59,814 --> 00:06:04,254 Speaker 1: the point where you're not believably fuckable anymore. Polly Wayinwright 111 00:06:04,374 --> 00:06:07,294 Speaker 1: is Mummy's executive editor, the co host of Mumma Mia 112 00:06:07,334 --> 00:06:09,894 Speaker 1: out Loud and the host of the show dedicate to 113 00:06:09,934 --> 00:06:14,214 Speaker 1: this exact cohort of women mid Holly is the gaze 114 00:06:14,454 --> 00:06:17,974 Speaker 1: on midlife women changing in Hollywood or are the women 115 00:06:18,054 --> 00:06:19,454 Speaker 1: themselves the ones who are changing. 116 00:06:20,014 --> 00:06:22,374 Speaker 2: I think it's a bit of both, actually, because I 117 00:06:22,374 --> 00:06:25,174 Speaker 2: think if you go back twenty years and you'd listen 118 00:06:25,214 --> 00:06:28,774 Speaker 2: to the average discourse about actresses in Hollywood in particular, 119 00:06:28,854 --> 00:06:31,854 Speaker 2: they would say that after the age of thirty, they 120 00:06:31,854 --> 00:06:34,734 Speaker 2: were getting far fewer roles and roles of much less quality. 121 00:06:34,774 --> 00:06:37,534 Speaker 2: There were a few stereotypical roles. You'd move into your 122 00:06:37,614 --> 00:06:40,734 Speaker 2: mum phase, and then maybe you'd move into your mum 123 00:06:40,774 --> 00:06:43,974 Speaker 2: of adult kids, maybe disgruntled wife phase. And it seems 124 00:06:44,014 --> 00:06:46,734 Speaker 2: that there has been a monumental shift in that, which 125 00:06:46,774 --> 00:06:49,534 Speaker 2: is great because Hollywood actors have always been able to 126 00:06:49,574 --> 00:06:52,854 Speaker 2: act well into their later years and get big, juicy roles. 127 00:06:53,134 --> 00:06:56,534 Speaker 2: The other thing that has undoubtedly changed, though, is how 128 00:06:56,614 --> 00:06:59,654 Speaker 2: women in their fifties and sixties look. So there is 129 00:06:59,814 --> 00:07:02,854 Speaker 2: also a discussion to be had, or not necessarily to 130 00:07:02,894 --> 00:07:06,694 Speaker 2: be had, but to be considered that the advancements of 131 00:07:06,734 --> 00:07:11,254 Speaker 2: all kinds in cosmetics, in everything from skincare to surgery 132 00:07:11,534 --> 00:07:13,814 Speaker 2: to just the fact that people no longer sort of 133 00:07:13,814 --> 00:07:17,374 Speaker 2: start dressing older and inverted commas when the older means 134 00:07:17,414 --> 00:07:20,894 Speaker 2: that more mature people met perhaps more palatable to a 135 00:07:20,974 --> 00:07:22,094 Speaker 2: mainstream eye. 136 00:07:22,214 --> 00:07:25,134 Speaker 1: What is it about this year, though, Holly, Because in 137 00:07:25,174 --> 00:07:27,814 Speaker 1: the past we've maybe seen one or two older women 138 00:07:28,014 --> 00:07:30,534 Speaker 1: receiving accolades for their work around awards season, but there 139 00:07:30,614 --> 00:07:33,894 Speaker 1: is quite the crowd this year, and for many in 140 00:07:34,014 --> 00:07:37,414 Speaker 1: varied roles too. Not just like Nicole Kidman's Baby Girl, 141 00:07:37,414 --> 00:07:41,334 Speaker 1: where she is essentially becoming a sub to her dominant intern. 142 00:07:41,654 --> 00:07:43,934 Speaker 1: We've got through to Jodie Foster, who also has sex 143 00:07:43,934 --> 00:07:47,214 Speaker 1: scenes in True Detective, where she's playing a very serious, 144 00:07:47,334 --> 00:07:51,254 Speaker 1: not very glamorous role. Like it seems this year over say, 145 00:07:51,294 --> 00:07:53,814 Speaker 1: the last ten years is very different. 146 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:56,574 Speaker 2: I think that's true. I think that actually, even though 147 00:07:56,614 --> 00:07:58,494 Speaker 2: as I just said, I think there's a shift in 148 00:07:58,534 --> 00:08:02,294 Speaker 2: the way that older women look, that is not true 149 00:08:02,334 --> 00:08:04,574 Speaker 2: of this crop of actresses at the moment. In fact, 150 00:08:04,614 --> 00:08:06,134 Speaker 2: there's a lot of variety there. If you look at 151 00:08:06,134 --> 00:08:09,414 Speaker 2: the Golden Globes in particular, the oscars hasn't actually translated 152 00:08:09,654 --> 00:08:12,254 Speaker 2: be exactly the same, but nearly all of the Golden 153 00:08:12,294 --> 00:08:16,614 Speaker 2: Globes best female actresses were gen X women of all kinds, 154 00:08:16,614 --> 00:08:19,694 Speaker 2: from Kate Winslet to the woman who won, who's Fernando Torres, 155 00:08:19,734 --> 00:08:23,334 Speaker 2: who's actually in her early sixties. I would like to 156 00:08:23,454 --> 00:08:28,574 Speaker 2: think we're finally realizing that women are massive consumers of 157 00:08:28,814 --> 00:08:31,934 Speaker 2: culture and art and movies and TV. They're an economically 158 00:08:32,014 --> 00:08:34,494 Speaker 2: powerful group. I think we used to very much have 159 00:08:34,534 --> 00:08:37,614 Speaker 2: a view that men were driving that kind of culture 160 00:08:37,654 --> 00:08:39,574 Speaker 2: and making the choices about who wanted to see what. 161 00:08:39,614 --> 00:08:42,614 Speaker 2: I'd love to think that's what's happened. I also have 162 00:08:42,654 --> 00:08:44,334 Speaker 2: a bit of a feeling that there's probably a bit 163 00:08:44,334 --> 00:08:46,254 Speaker 2: of a fluke this year that we've landed with so 164 00:08:46,374 --> 00:08:50,134 Speaker 2: many gen x icons in one Awards season, because, for example, 165 00:08:50,414 --> 00:08:53,574 Speaker 2: it's not every year that Angelina Jolly, especially these days, 166 00:08:53,654 --> 00:08:56,014 Speaker 2: is making a starring biopic roll as she is at 167 00:08:56,014 --> 00:08:57,814 Speaker 2: the minute in the Maria Callis movie. 168 00:08:58,054 --> 00:09:01,374 Speaker 1: We do have to acknowledge, though, the different eras that 169 00:09:01,454 --> 00:09:04,374 Speaker 1: these women, these crop of women in particular, have been through, 170 00:09:04,414 --> 00:09:07,934 Speaker 1: because they haven't always been in the spotlight for the 171 00:09:08,054 --> 00:09:10,454 Speaker 1: entire time that they have been in there careers, because 172 00:09:10,454 --> 00:09:13,974 Speaker 1: we've seen them go through many different phases, like Demi 173 00:09:14,014 --> 00:09:16,734 Speaker 1: more in particular, who is also nominated for an oscar. 174 00:09:17,094 --> 00:09:19,974 Speaker 1: She's had radical changes through her career. You know, She's 175 00:09:20,014 --> 00:09:22,254 Speaker 1: gone from being the talk of the town to having 176 00:09:22,454 --> 00:09:25,454 Speaker 1: insane medical procedures in order to kind of hold on 177 00:09:25,534 --> 00:09:27,374 Speaker 1: to that youth, and then kind of disappeared for a 178 00:09:27,374 --> 00:09:29,494 Speaker 1: little while, and now she's back with a vengeance. So 179 00:09:29,494 --> 00:09:31,454 Speaker 1: I guess we have to acknowledge that these women have 180 00:09:31,494 --> 00:09:33,374 Speaker 1: gone through like a lot to get here. 181 00:09:33,614 --> 00:09:36,414 Speaker 2: Demi's a wonderful example, because she sort of spoke about 182 00:09:36,454 --> 00:09:39,374 Speaker 2: this obviously in that famous Golden Globes Accepted the speech 183 00:09:39,414 --> 00:09:41,494 Speaker 2: where she said that she had been told she was 184 00:09:41,534 --> 00:09:44,054 Speaker 2: a popcorn actress who people would go and see, but 185 00:09:44,214 --> 00:09:46,654 Speaker 2: she wasn't ever going to really make anything that was 186 00:09:46,694 --> 00:09:49,214 Speaker 2: particularly substantial. And that is not the case obviously with 187 00:09:49,254 --> 00:09:52,174 Speaker 2: the Substance. It's worth noting that both The Substance and 188 00:09:52,254 --> 00:09:55,174 Speaker 2: Baby Girl have female directors. Women want to see women 189 00:09:55,214 --> 00:09:57,614 Speaker 2: in these roles. But your point about to me is true, 190 00:09:57,654 --> 00:09:59,494 Speaker 2: and I think that one of the things we love 191 00:09:59,694 --> 00:10:02,494 Speaker 2: about this batch of gen x icons is that they 192 00:10:02,494 --> 00:10:06,134 Speaker 2: have been through a lot, as all grown up women have, right. 193 00:10:06,414 --> 00:10:08,134 Speaker 2: I mean, Moore was a joke for a long time, 194 00:10:08,174 --> 00:10:09,894 Speaker 2: you know, she was a very hot actress in the 195 00:10:09,934 --> 00:10:12,214 Speaker 2: early nineties. She was part of the brat pack in 196 00:10:12,254 --> 00:10:15,054 Speaker 2: the eighties, and then she became a sort of punchline 197 00:10:15,094 --> 00:10:18,294 Speaker 2: for a long time, which is an experience that a 198 00:10:18,294 --> 00:10:20,094 Speaker 2: lot of women can relate to. She was mocked for 199 00:10:20,134 --> 00:10:22,574 Speaker 2: the things that she did to try and remain relevant. 200 00:10:22,574 --> 00:10:24,694 Speaker 2: She was mocked for the choices she made. Then she 201 00:10:24,734 --> 00:10:27,734 Speaker 2: became a mother and retreated for a time. She had 202 00:10:27,774 --> 00:10:31,294 Speaker 2: a high profile divorce or two in fact, so she's 203 00:10:31,374 --> 00:10:34,054 Speaker 2: really lived this roller coaster life. And what I love 204 00:10:34,094 --> 00:10:36,134 Speaker 2: about the Demi Moore story and she is a favorite 205 00:10:36,174 --> 00:10:39,854 Speaker 2: for that, Oscar is she clearly has gone, you know what, 206 00:10:39,934 --> 00:10:42,374 Speaker 2: I'm not done like I might be older, and yes, 207 00:10:42,454 --> 00:10:45,814 Speaker 2: there it's no doubt that she does not look like 208 00:10:46,374 --> 00:10:48,934 Speaker 2: the average woman of that age, but she has said 209 00:10:48,974 --> 00:10:50,654 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be shelved. I'm not going to 210 00:10:50,734 --> 00:10:53,694 Speaker 2: go quietly. I've got so much experience and I want 211 00:10:53,694 --> 00:10:55,574 Speaker 2: to do my best work, and she's doing it. 212 00:10:55,574 --> 00:10:58,694 Speaker 1: It's interesting that time that a lot of these women 213 00:10:58,694 --> 00:11:01,974 Speaker 1: have taken away from the spotlight. Cameron Diaz in particular, 214 00:11:02,014 --> 00:11:04,854 Speaker 1: who's made her return to the big screen or small screen. 215 00:11:04,894 --> 00:11:07,134 Speaker 1: She's in a Netflix movie after taking like a good 216 00:11:07,174 --> 00:11:11,574 Speaker 1: decade away from Hollywood, which feels like five, but that 217 00:11:11,814 --> 00:11:15,294 Speaker 1: time away from the spotlight. Do you think that's really important, 218 00:11:15,454 --> 00:11:18,254 Speaker 1: especially with this group of women who've learned so much 219 00:11:18,334 --> 00:11:20,654 Speaker 1: more about themselves away from the cameras. 220 00:11:21,254 --> 00:11:23,014 Speaker 2: I'm sure it is, And you know, you could put 221 00:11:23,054 --> 00:11:25,374 Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson in the same bucket as that. She's also 222 00:11:25,534 --> 00:11:28,934 Speaker 2: nominated this year for the Last show Girl. One way 223 00:11:28,974 --> 00:11:32,654 Speaker 2: of thinking about it is that if you had infinite resources, 224 00:11:33,214 --> 00:11:35,134 Speaker 2: as many of these women did have, if they had 225 00:11:35,174 --> 00:11:38,654 Speaker 2: really successful early careers, and then the ageism of Hollywood 226 00:11:38,694 --> 00:11:40,854 Speaker 2: is seeing that the roles dry up a bit. You're 227 00:11:40,894 --> 00:11:43,654 Speaker 2: constantly being told that there are younger, better models, and 228 00:11:43,694 --> 00:11:45,654 Speaker 2: you've got a family, and you'd really rather go and 229 00:11:45,694 --> 00:11:48,614 Speaker 2: live in your nice ranch in Montana or whatever and 230 00:11:48,654 --> 00:11:51,254 Speaker 2: be with them. I think a lot of women would 231 00:11:51,334 --> 00:11:53,854 Speaker 2: make that choice. And then I think what you'd also 232 00:11:53,934 --> 00:11:56,054 Speaker 2: do is as you lift your head out of that 233 00:11:56,134 --> 00:11:58,654 Speaker 2: phase of your life and you're seeing this cultural shift 234 00:11:58,774 --> 00:12:02,054 Speaker 2: around us, which is that women who are over forty 235 00:12:02,054 --> 00:12:04,414 Speaker 2: are hungry for stories about women who are over forty, 236 00:12:04,574 --> 00:12:07,654 Speaker 2: that Hollywood is realizing the economic power of that, maybe 237 00:12:07,654 --> 00:12:10,014 Speaker 2: you'd go you know what I'm coming back. I think 238 00:12:10,054 --> 00:12:14,094 Speaker 2: that that's actually quite a relatable phenomena. And I also 239 00:12:14,134 --> 00:12:16,774 Speaker 2: think that the way that Hollywood works it's a flywheel, 240 00:12:17,014 --> 00:12:19,934 Speaker 2: is that once you see it happen and the success happens, 241 00:12:19,974 --> 00:12:22,014 Speaker 2: and obviously the studios and the people who are green 242 00:12:22,054 --> 00:12:24,014 Speaker 2: lighting things are looking around and going, who else have 243 00:12:24,094 --> 00:12:26,294 Speaker 2: we forgotten about? Who Gen X women would love to 244 00:12:26,294 --> 00:12:28,494 Speaker 2: see on screen? And I think you're probably just going 245 00:12:28,534 --> 00:12:30,174 Speaker 2: to see more of it for a while. What I 246 00:12:30,174 --> 00:12:32,974 Speaker 2: particularly love is if you look at the successful actresses 247 00:12:33,054 --> 00:12:36,254 Speaker 2: owning this Awards season, is there's actually quite a broad range. 248 00:12:36,334 --> 00:12:38,454 Speaker 2: I mean, the Golden Globes was very genic skewed, but 249 00:12:38,734 --> 00:12:41,294 Speaker 2: you've got Zendaya and you've got Jodi Foster. You know, 250 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,214 Speaker 2: you've got this real range. And I think that that 251 00:12:43,734 --> 00:12:46,214 Speaker 2: is what we need. Women of all ages are interesting 252 00:12:46,214 --> 00:12:48,134 Speaker 2: and have plenty of things to say, not just the 253 00:12:48,174 --> 00:12:50,734 Speaker 2: male gate keepers of these things have decided are interesting 254 00:12:50,734 --> 00:12:52,574 Speaker 2: because they're in that young, hot moment. 255 00:12:52,814 --> 00:12:54,534 Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting that you point out that 256 00:12:54,574 --> 00:12:56,694 Speaker 1: a lot of this material is coming from the female 257 00:12:56,774 --> 00:13:00,014 Speaker 1: gaze now, and that is only going to get broader, 258 00:13:00,014 --> 00:13:02,334 Speaker 1: because I mean, we're seeing big projects like a Court 259 00:13:02,374 --> 00:13:04,134 Speaker 1: of Thorn and Roses, which is going to be made 260 00:13:04,134 --> 00:13:07,094 Speaker 1: into a TV series, I believe, and saying with Fourth 261 00:13:07,134 --> 00:13:09,374 Speaker 1: Wing that's also being made and these are books that 262 00:13:09,374 --> 00:13:12,334 Speaker 1: are written by women from the female gay so that 263 00:13:12,494 --> 00:13:14,294 Speaker 1: is definitely going to make a big impact when more 264 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:15,974 Speaker 1: of these stories start to filter through. 265 00:13:16,574 --> 00:13:19,614 Speaker 2: Absolutely, those are going to be the next big casting 266 00:13:19,894 --> 00:13:22,694 Speaker 2: announcements and excitements, aren't they. Who's going to be in those? 267 00:13:22,734 --> 00:13:25,534 Speaker 2: Who's going to be part of that. It's interesting because 268 00:13:25,774 --> 00:13:27,534 Speaker 2: in so many ways at the moment in the world, 269 00:13:27,534 --> 00:13:30,094 Speaker 2: it feels like progress is being wound back, and the 270 00:13:30,134 --> 00:13:34,374 Speaker 2: progress that women being allowed to live big public lives 271 00:13:34,374 --> 00:13:35,694 Speaker 2: for a long time. And when I say that, I 272 00:13:35,774 --> 00:13:37,694 Speaker 2: just mean getting to do the work they love doing 273 00:13:37,734 --> 00:13:39,894 Speaker 2: and reflect to all of us the stories of our lives. 274 00:13:40,334 --> 00:13:42,974 Speaker 2: It does feel like that is finally shifted after a 275 00:13:43,094 --> 00:13:45,454 Speaker 2: very long time of us saying where are the female stories, 276 00:13:45,494 --> 00:13:47,574 Speaker 2: Where are the strong female characters, Where are the women 277 00:13:47,574 --> 00:13:49,694 Speaker 2: who aren't just talking about their boyfriends all the time, 278 00:13:49,814 --> 00:13:51,814 Speaker 2: Where are the women over thirty? Where are the mothers? 279 00:13:51,894 --> 00:13:55,454 Speaker 2: It feels like that's actually happened, which is wonderful, and 280 00:13:55,494 --> 00:13:57,334 Speaker 2: we all want to hope that isn't a craze or 281 00:13:57,374 --> 00:14:00,134 Speaker 2: a fad, and that that is now here to stay. 282 00:14:00,534 --> 00:14:03,734 Speaker 1: Just finally, we have to be clear, this doesn't mean 283 00:14:03,774 --> 00:14:07,094 Speaker 1: that the pressure on women to look young has gone away, 284 00:14:07,814 --> 00:14:10,614 Speaker 1: So the anti aging pressure still very much. 285 00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:14,654 Speaker 2: There, possibly worse. I was just celebrating the progress of it, 286 00:14:14,694 --> 00:14:20,174 Speaker 2: and I agree it's almost wilfully blind to not acknowledge 287 00:14:20,254 --> 00:14:23,014 Speaker 2: the fact that many of these women who yes are 288 00:14:23,014 --> 00:14:27,254 Speaker 2: in their forties, fifties, sixties and beyond. Many of them 289 00:14:27,854 --> 00:14:31,454 Speaker 2: do not look anything like ourselves, our friends, our mothers, 290 00:14:31,494 --> 00:14:34,894 Speaker 2: our sisters. They don't look like us, And there's no 291 00:14:35,014 --> 00:14:38,294 Speaker 2: question about that. They have access to every out there 292 00:14:38,374 --> 00:14:41,694 Speaker 2: experimental anti aging procedure and surgery in the world. They 293 00:14:41,734 --> 00:14:43,334 Speaker 2: know things that none of the rest of us do, 294 00:14:43,414 --> 00:14:45,614 Speaker 2: and they have, at various points in their life, made 295 00:14:45,654 --> 00:14:48,374 Speaker 2: the choice to use them. I think I'm celebrating the 296 00:14:48,414 --> 00:14:50,574 Speaker 2: fact that older women are out there being able to 297 00:14:50,574 --> 00:14:52,654 Speaker 2: do the best work they've ever done. But I think 298 00:14:52,694 --> 00:14:55,494 Speaker 2: we still have a little way to go in being 299 00:14:55,574 --> 00:15:00,974 Speaker 2: comfortable seeing women on screen who actually look their age. 300 00:15:01,374 --> 00:15:04,334 Speaker 2: Even saying that makes me feel uncomfortable, because what does 301 00:15:04,374 --> 00:15:06,334 Speaker 2: your age look like? It looks like all kinds of 302 00:15:06,374 --> 00:15:09,494 Speaker 2: different things, but I think that we would be will 303 00:15:09,574 --> 00:15:13,534 Speaker 2: fully naive to acknowledge that everybody's entirely comfortable with a 304 00:15:13,574 --> 00:15:14,374 Speaker 2: wrinkly hand. 305 00:15:15,214 --> 00:15:18,494 Speaker 1: Shout out to the Golden Girls, who were probably cultural 306 00:15:18,574 --> 00:15:19,334 Speaker 1: leaders in their time. 307 00:15:19,454 --> 00:15:20,454 Speaker 2: They probably were. 308 00:15:21,694 --> 00:15:23,294 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with 309 00:15:23,374 --> 00:15:26,054 Speaker 1: us today. The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy 310 00:15:26,054 --> 00:15:29,374 Speaker 1: and our executive producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by 311 00:15:29,454 --> 00:15:29,934 Speaker 1: Lou Hill.