1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,305 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,545 --> 00:00:22,065 Speaker 3: Makeup is my therapy. 5 00:00:22,265 --> 00:00:27,905 Speaker 2: I'm obsess and I don't even feel guilty about it. 6 00:00:29,865 --> 00:00:32,065 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to you, beauty. 7 00:00:32,105 --> 00:00:34,665 Speaker 4: This is the podcast for your Face and this is 8 00:00:34,705 --> 00:00:38,025 Speaker 4: the formula where I take a deep dive or rummage 9 00:00:38,505 --> 00:00:41,945 Speaker 4: through the bathroom cabinets of some of the most interesting 10 00:00:41,985 --> 00:00:45,545 Speaker 4: people in the beauty industry. And today I dragged in 11 00:00:45,585 --> 00:00:50,905 Speaker 4: my co host, the Lovely Lee, because I realized that so. 12 00:00:50,905 --> 00:00:52,345 Speaker 2: I just had to take my watch off. I'm getting 13 00:00:52,345 --> 00:00:53,785 Speaker 2: distracted because I'm a businesswoman. 14 00:00:54,025 --> 00:00:56,705 Speaker 4: You are a business woman, and that's why I wanted 15 00:00:56,705 --> 00:00:57,585 Speaker 4: to bring you back on. 16 00:00:57,785 --> 00:01:00,145 Speaker 2: And full disclosure for everyone that knows, I did not 17 00:01:00,225 --> 00:01:00,745 Speaker 2: ask to do this. 18 00:01:00,865 --> 00:01:02,305 Speaker 3: You asked me. It's not like I was saying, Oh, 19 00:01:02,345 --> 00:01:03,225 Speaker 3: interview me, Kail. 20 00:01:03,505 --> 00:01:06,105 Speaker 1: We can put the message exchanges say. 21 00:01:07,065 --> 00:01:09,145 Speaker 4: I think that that's maybe why we hadn't, because the 22 00:01:09,145 --> 00:01:12,985 Speaker 4: formula is about people coming in and talking about their routines, 23 00:01:13,025 --> 00:01:15,705 Speaker 4: but they know what they're talking about. In the world 24 00:01:15,745 --> 00:01:18,305 Speaker 4: of skincare, it's not just like hey, so I love 25 00:01:18,385 --> 00:01:20,825 Speaker 4: their sarahm because it fails good. Yes, but I think 26 00:01:20,865 --> 00:01:24,945 Speaker 4: maybe we didn't get you one as a Brillow brand 27 00:01:25,105 --> 00:01:26,865 Speaker 4: founder because maybe it was going to come. 28 00:01:26,825 --> 00:01:28,865 Speaker 1: Across as biased. But I was like, that's ridiculous. 29 00:01:28,865 --> 00:01:31,505 Speaker 2: We get lots of brand owners on let's be biased 30 00:01:31,585 --> 00:01:34,825 Speaker 2: and let Lee come in here and talk about all 31 00:01:34,865 --> 00:01:36,865 Speaker 2: things Brillow. I always listen to the formula, but I've 32 00:01:36,905 --> 00:01:38,905 Speaker 2: done no prep. You've given me nothing to go off, 33 00:01:39,385 --> 00:01:40,625 Speaker 2: no idea what you're gonna ask me? 34 00:01:40,825 --> 00:01:43,665 Speaker 4: I don't know to be honest either, I wrote like 35 00:01:43,705 --> 00:01:45,985 Speaker 4: two questions at the start, and the rest is just 36 00:01:46,625 --> 00:01:49,505 Speaker 4: whatever our lovely producers come up with. So let's let's 37 00:01:49,545 --> 00:01:50,785 Speaker 4: see what she's said. 38 00:01:51,705 --> 00:01:53,945 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skill. 39 00:01:53,785 --> 00:01:55,145 Speaker 1: But how. 40 00:01:57,505 --> 00:01:59,825 Speaker 4: And we will link episodes where you've been on the 41 00:01:59,865 --> 00:02:02,065 Speaker 4: formula or in her bag or whatever it's been called 42 00:02:02,505 --> 00:02:05,665 Speaker 4: in the show notes, because we've done some great episodes 43 00:02:05,905 --> 00:02:08,145 Speaker 4: career about your career and that sort of thing. 44 00:02:08,465 --> 00:02:12,625 Speaker 1: She's listen, she's a very important lady. Lee, start off 45 00:02:12,865 --> 00:02:16,105 Speaker 1: please by giving any new bub see what I did there? 46 00:02:16,305 --> 00:02:19,625 Speaker 1: That could be listening to a thirty second pitch about 47 00:02:19,665 --> 00:02:20,865 Speaker 1: what Rello beauty is. 48 00:02:21,105 --> 00:02:24,865 Speaker 2: Relow Beauty is self care essentials for modern motherhoods. So 49 00:02:25,105 --> 00:02:27,745 Speaker 2: it's a range of body care products that you can 50 00:02:27,865 --> 00:02:31,665 Speaker 2: use in pregnancy and postpartum to take the confusion out 51 00:02:31,665 --> 00:02:34,585 Speaker 2: when women are also researching sleep routines and prams and 52 00:02:34,785 --> 00:02:37,225 Speaker 2: you know, I should say family, not just women, and 53 00:02:37,505 --> 00:02:39,785 Speaker 2: there's a lot of stress around what you can and 54 00:02:39,825 --> 00:02:42,425 Speaker 2: can't use. So we just created a range that takes 55 00:02:42,465 --> 00:02:44,385 Speaker 2: you from pregnancy to postpartum and beyond, and of course 56 00:02:44,385 --> 00:02:44,985 Speaker 2: anyone can use. 57 00:02:44,985 --> 00:02:46,265 Speaker 3: It's just beautiful body products. 58 00:02:47,105 --> 00:02:49,785 Speaker 2: Given your job, I don't think I would be exaggerating 59 00:02:50,265 --> 00:02:55,065 Speaker 2: if I said that you had tried tens of thousands 60 00:02:55,145 --> 00:02:58,625 Speaker 2: of products. Definitely, So I feel like the decision to 61 00:02:58,945 --> 00:03:02,265 Speaker 2: formulate your own wouldn't it been a small one. 62 00:03:02,785 --> 00:03:04,225 Speaker 1: There's just so much out there. 63 00:03:04,265 --> 00:03:08,105 Speaker 2: So how did you approach the formulation process differently with 64 00:03:08,305 --> 00:03:13,225 Speaker 2: your bastic experience of trying tens of thousands of body products? Well, 65 00:03:13,265 --> 00:03:16,545 Speaker 2: first and foremost, I didn't want to do my own 66 00:03:16,625 --> 00:03:19,425 Speaker 2: beauty brand ever, but my best friend and our business 67 00:03:19,425 --> 00:03:22,705 Speaker 2: partner came to me it. Yeah, she said, I'm doing this. 68 00:03:22,785 --> 00:03:26,585 Speaker 2: She's got a brilliant business brain and successful businesses. And 69 00:03:26,625 --> 00:03:28,225 Speaker 2: then I thought about it. I was like, she's right, 70 00:03:28,465 --> 00:03:32,145 Speaker 2: because when I was pregnant I cherry picked you know, 71 00:03:32,465 --> 00:03:35,265 Speaker 2: this product, this product, that product, and then I took 72 00:03:35,265 --> 00:03:39,025 Speaker 2: a beautiful pack of deliciously scented body care for my 73 00:03:39,105 --> 00:03:41,385 Speaker 2: first shower. And then the nurse was like, stop, you 74 00:03:41,385 --> 00:03:43,665 Speaker 2: don't want to use anything fragrance. You've just had a baby. 75 00:03:43,705 --> 00:03:45,545 Speaker 2: The baby can't see needs to smell your unique smell. 76 00:03:45,585 --> 00:03:47,785 Speaker 2: I was like, well, I didn't even know that. So anyway, 77 00:03:47,825 --> 00:03:49,025 Speaker 2: that's how the brand came about. 78 00:03:49,225 --> 00:03:52,745 Speaker 4: I used to wipe my sweat and breast milk over yeah, 79 00:03:52,745 --> 00:03:53,625 Speaker 4: my son's blanket. 80 00:03:53,665 --> 00:03:55,905 Speaker 2: It's so important, but I didn't know that. You know, 81 00:03:55,945 --> 00:03:58,225 Speaker 2: I think I knew what I couldn't couldn't use in pregnancy, 82 00:03:58,225 --> 00:04:01,265 Speaker 2: but afterwards I just thought, oh, this will be so delicious. Anyway, 83 00:04:01,745 --> 00:04:06,265 Speaker 2: formulating products is interesting. It's bloody hard and it takes 84 00:04:06,305 --> 00:04:08,105 Speaker 2: a long time. We don't do it, you know. It's 85 00:04:08,105 --> 00:04:10,345 Speaker 2: not us in our bathstup or mixing something at home. 86 00:04:10,665 --> 00:04:12,865 Speaker 2: You have a qualified chemist that you work with, and 87 00:04:12,905 --> 00:04:15,065 Speaker 2: then you say I want this kind of product, this 88 00:04:15,185 --> 00:04:15,905 Speaker 2: kind of texture. 89 00:04:16,185 --> 00:04:18,545 Speaker 1: Generally send them a few benchmarks. 90 00:04:17,945 --> 00:04:20,585 Speaker 2: Because they send ben Joint like well, Usually you would 91 00:04:20,625 --> 00:04:23,905 Speaker 2: send benchmarks to say I like this texture of this one, 92 00:04:23,945 --> 00:04:26,185 Speaker 2: the scent of this one that you know, blah blah blah, 93 00:04:26,185 --> 00:04:28,025 Speaker 2: but can we add this ingredient because I love this 94 00:04:28,145 --> 00:04:30,345 Speaker 2: ingredient or whatnot. But I think sometimes, you know, not 95 00:04:30,385 --> 00:04:32,545 Speaker 2: everyone has everyone has varying knowledges. 96 00:04:32,585 --> 00:04:33,385 Speaker 3: As founders. 97 00:04:33,505 --> 00:04:35,825 Speaker 2: What I did was kind of send benchmarks of what 98 00:04:35,865 --> 00:04:38,265 Speaker 2: I didn't like, particularly for the butter, which is our 99 00:04:38,305 --> 00:04:41,345 Speaker 2: best seller and currently sold out. Long story, it's a 100 00:04:41,345 --> 00:04:44,105 Speaker 2: body butter. But I hate most body butters because they're slippy, 101 00:04:44,105 --> 00:04:46,265 Speaker 2: they feel suffocated, they sit on your skin, they don't 102 00:04:46,305 --> 00:04:49,505 Speaker 2: sink in. So I sent like ten body butters and 103 00:04:49,545 --> 00:04:51,905 Speaker 2: said I hate all of these, and they were like, okay, thanks, 104 00:04:52,185 --> 00:04:52,505 Speaker 2: but you. 105 00:04:52,465 --> 00:04:55,705 Speaker 4: Know, so helpful. This is what I don't like, so 106 00:04:55,825 --> 00:04:56,825 Speaker 4: figure out what I do. 107 00:04:57,065 --> 00:05:00,145 Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially, really and look, we didn't. Good chemists can 108 00:05:00,505 --> 00:05:02,585 Speaker 2: work with that, yeah, And I mean you go through 109 00:05:02,865 --> 00:05:06,225 Speaker 2: so many revisions and so oftentimes, you know, I sample seventeen, 110 00:05:06,265 --> 00:05:07,945 Speaker 2: You're like, I just want to say yes and get 111 00:05:07,945 --> 00:05:09,665 Speaker 2: the ball rolling, but you know it's not quite right. 112 00:05:10,305 --> 00:05:12,105 Speaker 2: And having said that, you know, we've got our six 113 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:14,425 Speaker 2: core products at the moment, with three new ones launching soon. 114 00:05:14,785 --> 00:05:16,345 Speaker 2: I think we could have done better on a couple 115 00:05:16,385 --> 00:05:19,185 Speaker 2: of the first two. So we'll tweak them as time 116 00:05:19,225 --> 00:05:22,665 Speaker 2: goes on, but it's also your opinion. You know. Then 117 00:05:22,745 --> 00:05:24,465 Speaker 2: my business partner and I would open them. She would 118 00:05:24,465 --> 00:05:26,945 Speaker 2: love one, I wouldn't. And then so you've got a 119 00:05:26,945 --> 00:05:28,865 Speaker 2: case study of your family and friends, and you know, 120 00:05:28,905 --> 00:05:30,545 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's going to be personal. 121 00:05:30,585 --> 00:05:33,025 Speaker 2: But I just wanted to put out products that I 122 00:05:33,065 --> 00:05:35,985 Speaker 2: would use and buy and stand by as someone in 123 00:05:36,025 --> 00:05:37,065 Speaker 2: the industry and loved. 124 00:05:37,185 --> 00:05:38,265 Speaker 1: But you're so right. 125 00:05:38,345 --> 00:05:40,745 Speaker 2: Actually, I didn't even think about that from the perspective 126 00:05:40,745 --> 00:05:43,785 Speaker 2: that you and Tague and could both try something and 127 00:05:43,825 --> 00:05:46,465 Speaker 2: have such vastly different experiences, because it's even like, well, 128 00:05:46,505 --> 00:05:48,745 Speaker 2: you might recommend something on in the Friday episode and 129 00:05:48,745 --> 00:05:52,065 Speaker 2: then I'm like, oh, yeah, I hated that product at 130 00:05:52,105 --> 00:05:54,985 Speaker 2: it because everyone's just so different with what they like, 131 00:05:55,025 --> 00:05:57,185 Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, there's no right answer as 132 00:05:57,185 --> 00:05:59,105 Speaker 2: long as it's not causing a reaction. But because it's 133 00:05:59,105 --> 00:06:01,065 Speaker 2: not active skincare, it's not for your face, it's not 134 00:06:01,105 --> 00:06:03,345 Speaker 2: you know, clearing up acne or anything like that, it's 135 00:06:03,385 --> 00:06:07,265 Speaker 2: just luxurious body care. It's censorial and it's up to 136 00:06:07,305 --> 00:06:09,545 Speaker 2: people's individuals. So you know, her and I have different 137 00:06:09,825 --> 00:06:11,225 Speaker 2: favorites within the range. 138 00:06:11,305 --> 00:06:12,585 Speaker 1: Well, that's my next question. 139 00:06:13,185 --> 00:06:16,065 Speaker 4: Out of the six products, what is your favorite product 140 00:06:16,145 --> 00:06:17,625 Speaker 4: and your least favorite product. 141 00:06:17,825 --> 00:06:21,145 Speaker 2: The butter is my favorite, and it's the best body 142 00:06:21,145 --> 00:06:23,985 Speaker 2: butter in the whole wide world. Sold out, long story, 143 00:06:23,985 --> 00:06:27,665 Speaker 2: coming back soon. My least favorite is the wash. So 144 00:06:27,945 --> 00:06:30,425 Speaker 2: we've got the wash and the lotion that are completely 145 00:06:30,465 --> 00:06:34,185 Speaker 2: fragrance free, really lightweight, and of course all very safe. 146 00:06:34,225 --> 00:06:36,225 Speaker 2: So as soon as you're in the hospital, there's no scent, 147 00:06:36,425 --> 00:06:37,665 Speaker 2: so you can use it, but you can also use 148 00:06:37,705 --> 00:06:40,945 Speaker 2: it on a newborn. The wash and the lotion, you 149 00:06:40,945 --> 00:06:43,545 Speaker 2: think fragrance free, Oh great, you formulate a product you 150 00:06:43,545 --> 00:06:46,185 Speaker 2: don't put fragrance in it, but the raw materials have 151 00:06:46,265 --> 00:06:49,905 Speaker 2: a smell, a horrific smell. So then you're trying to 152 00:06:49,905 --> 00:06:52,025 Speaker 2: formulate a product that has no scent in it, but 153 00:06:52,065 --> 00:06:54,145 Speaker 2: also no scent to the nose, like even if it 154 00:06:54,185 --> 00:06:55,265 Speaker 2: smells like raw materials. 155 00:06:55,265 --> 00:06:57,705 Speaker 3: So that was really hard. It's fine. 156 00:06:57,745 --> 00:07:00,225 Speaker 2: It's a very thorough but gentle body wash that can 157 00:07:00,265 --> 00:07:02,305 Speaker 2: be used on anybody. 158 00:07:01,745 --> 00:07:03,585 Speaker 1: But it's just not exciting. 159 00:07:03,705 --> 00:07:05,705 Speaker 2: It's not exciting, and it's not our best products, but 160 00:07:05,745 --> 00:07:08,265 Speaker 2: we will improve it as time comes. And then I 161 00:07:08,265 --> 00:07:10,865 Speaker 2: guess the young Sung is the spray, which is a 162 00:07:10,865 --> 00:07:13,585 Speaker 2: magnesium spray, so obviously for pregnant women you know, aches 163 00:07:13,585 --> 00:07:18,425 Speaker 2: and pains, pregnants and tagnanty people. It's changed my life 164 00:07:18,665 --> 00:07:20,265 Speaker 2: and I am one of those people that are kind 165 00:07:20,305 --> 00:07:21,945 Speaker 2: of lazy, won't do an extra step if I don't 166 00:07:21,945 --> 00:07:24,225 Speaker 2: have to, And then when my sleep is really bad, 167 00:07:24,225 --> 00:07:27,185 Speaker 2: which ebbs and flows, I will pop it on the 168 00:07:27,225 --> 00:07:27,945 Speaker 2: soles of my feet. 169 00:07:27,985 --> 00:07:29,145 Speaker 3: Few sprays. It's an oil. 170 00:07:29,385 --> 00:07:31,065 Speaker 2: You could put something lovest and also you know, you 171 00:07:31,065 --> 00:07:32,985 Speaker 2: could spray it. Like my husband's a gym junkie, so 172 00:07:33,025 --> 00:07:34,905 Speaker 2: he spraised it on. He's like saw muscles and stuff. 173 00:07:35,065 --> 00:07:37,025 Speaker 2: I'm just generally sore and old and tired. 174 00:07:37,145 --> 00:07:39,105 Speaker 4: I'm going to try that tonight because last night for 175 00:07:39,505 --> 00:07:42,465 Speaker 4: Melatonins didn't work. So I'm going to try that tonight. 176 00:07:42,545 --> 00:07:42,985 Speaker 3: Give it a go. 177 00:07:43,385 --> 00:07:45,345 Speaker 1: If you could make any product in the entire world, 178 00:07:45,425 --> 00:07:45,945 Speaker 1: what would. 179 00:07:45,745 --> 00:07:47,945 Speaker 3: It be, then I would be telling you what's coming. 180 00:07:48,025 --> 00:07:51,025 Speaker 2: Can't tell you, well, that isn't in the realm of 181 00:07:51,065 --> 00:07:53,545 Speaker 2: possibility at the moment. I mean, we get a lot 182 00:07:53,545 --> 00:07:58,145 Speaker 2: of requests for a pregnancy safe sunscreen, but all sunscreens 183 00:07:58,185 --> 00:08:01,025 Speaker 2: are pregnant. Look, all of our most products are pregnancy safe. 184 00:08:01,065 --> 00:08:04,225 Speaker 2: We just want to put them in fun chic packaging 185 00:08:04,385 --> 00:08:07,465 Speaker 2: that was great for gifting. The most requested thing we 186 00:08:07,505 --> 00:08:09,385 Speaker 2: get is a sunscreen, and I just say, just use 187 00:08:09,385 --> 00:08:10,585 Speaker 2: the you've already been using. 188 00:08:10,625 --> 00:08:11,905 Speaker 3: It's all fine, it's all safe. 189 00:08:11,945 --> 00:08:13,505 Speaker 1: And I'm so expensive to formulate. 190 00:08:13,545 --> 00:08:15,465 Speaker 2: People don't never say never, But I just think there's 191 00:08:15,505 --> 00:08:18,225 Speaker 2: so many amazing Australian sunscreens that we wouldn't be adding 192 00:08:18,265 --> 00:08:18,865 Speaker 2: something there. 193 00:08:19,105 --> 00:08:19,305 Speaker 3: Yep. 194 00:08:19,825 --> 00:08:22,305 Speaker 4: So we've worked together for years, but I don't think 195 00:08:22,385 --> 00:08:24,865 Speaker 4: I've ever asked you well, probably because it might be 196 00:08:24,865 --> 00:08:26,705 Speaker 4: a little bit of a weird question to just ask 197 00:08:26,745 --> 00:08:29,825 Speaker 4: you off randomly. I want to know what, randomly on 198 00:08:29,825 --> 00:08:34,265 Speaker 4: a Friday, when do you feel the most confident within yourself? 199 00:08:34,345 --> 00:08:36,425 Speaker 4: Like do you think it's when you're fully made up 200 00:08:36,665 --> 00:08:39,345 Speaker 4: or just at home. I know that you've spoken a 201 00:08:39,385 --> 00:08:42,425 Speaker 4: lot we both have about getting more confident as we 202 00:08:42,465 --> 00:08:46,945 Speaker 4: get older, which is funny because objectively we're probably not 203 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:48,025 Speaker 4: as hot as what we want. 204 00:08:48,185 --> 00:08:50,905 Speaker 2: For my God, I think I'm aging well and then 205 00:08:50,945 --> 00:08:52,385 Speaker 2: I go back through. I had to go onto the 206 00:08:52,625 --> 00:08:54,585 Speaker 2: iCloud the other day. I didn't even know where, not 207 00:08:54,625 --> 00:08:55,025 Speaker 2: the cloud. 208 00:08:55,105 --> 00:08:57,025 Speaker 3: I went into the cloud and I saw all my colleageen. 209 00:08:57,065 --> 00:08:59,185 Speaker 3: I was like, there you are you in the plow there. 210 00:08:59,425 --> 00:09:00,825 Speaker 3: I have a very obscure answer. 211 00:09:01,225 --> 00:09:02,825 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the most confident or just 212 00:09:02,865 --> 00:09:07,265 Speaker 2: the most beautiful, or at peace or just zero fs. 213 00:09:07,625 --> 00:09:10,585 Speaker 2: So it's a summer's day. Yeah, I've been at the beach. 214 00:09:10,865 --> 00:09:12,585 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm wearing a lot of Spf'm probably with 215 00:09:12,585 --> 00:09:15,505 Speaker 2: my kid. Let's face it, and it's hot and blah 216 00:09:15,545 --> 00:09:17,345 Speaker 2: blah blah. And then I go back to my accommodation. 217 00:09:17,385 --> 00:09:20,545 Speaker 2: Obviously I'm staying same well lovely maybe home and I 218 00:09:20,665 --> 00:09:23,585 Speaker 2: have a shower and I just wash all that salt off, 219 00:09:23,585 --> 00:09:25,185 Speaker 2: I wash my hair, I get out of the shower 220 00:09:25,225 --> 00:09:28,025 Speaker 2: and I moisturize and you just feel so fresh and 221 00:09:28,105 --> 00:09:30,905 Speaker 2: cleansed from the ocean and the sun safety. 222 00:09:30,985 --> 00:09:34,225 Speaker 3: And then that shower. There's nothing like an afterbeach shower. 223 00:09:34,345 --> 00:09:35,305 Speaker 3: You just feel like. 224 00:09:35,505 --> 00:09:36,345 Speaker 1: This is so neat. 225 00:09:36,465 --> 00:09:39,145 Speaker 2: I know, I didn't know that I was gonna ask, 226 00:09:39,305 --> 00:09:42,705 Speaker 2: but I've thought about it. It's just what I feel like, Oh, like, 227 00:09:42,745 --> 00:09:45,665 Speaker 2: maybe we are peace with your body and peace with 228 00:09:45,705 --> 00:09:48,305 Speaker 2: yourself clean and like I did something whole. Maybe it's 229 00:09:48,305 --> 00:09:51,105 Speaker 2: still the rays from outside and the ion's what are 230 00:09:51,105 --> 00:09:51,625 Speaker 2: in the ocean. 231 00:09:51,665 --> 00:09:55,385 Speaker 3: I just love that afterbeach shower. I always just feel. 232 00:09:55,625 --> 00:09:58,185 Speaker 4: I do have a theory that an ocean swim and 233 00:09:58,225 --> 00:10:01,025 Speaker 4: a bit of sun will heal most agreed things. 234 00:10:01,145 --> 00:10:03,105 Speaker 2: But then I don't like sand, I hate the feeling 235 00:10:03,145 --> 00:10:06,065 Speaker 2: of the sunscreen. I don't like the gritty salt. So 236 00:10:06,105 --> 00:10:07,305 Speaker 2: I have the great time at the beach, and then 237 00:10:07,385 --> 00:10:09,905 Speaker 2: that shower after the beach, when I get out, that's 238 00:10:09,945 --> 00:10:13,265 Speaker 2: the best I ever feel ever, like mind, body, spirit. 239 00:10:13,385 --> 00:10:13,945 Speaker 1: I love that. 240 00:10:14,105 --> 00:10:16,465 Speaker 2: Weird right, No, that's not weird, I think because it's 241 00:10:16,465 --> 00:10:19,025 Speaker 2: the depth of winter. I'm really missing that feeling. Yeah, 242 00:10:19,065 --> 00:10:21,745 Speaker 2: I did see though on stories recently. You did recently 243 00:10:21,785 --> 00:10:22,385 Speaker 2: go for a swim. 244 00:10:22,465 --> 00:10:24,225 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we go to the beach most winters because 245 00:10:24,225 --> 00:10:24,905 Speaker 3: I have a six year old. 246 00:10:24,945 --> 00:10:25,425 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. 247 00:10:25,425 --> 00:10:27,745 Speaker 2: They've got this thing i've recently learnt called brown fat. 248 00:10:27,785 --> 00:10:29,825 Speaker 2: They don't feel the cold the way that we do. 249 00:10:29,985 --> 00:10:31,585 Speaker 3: Oh, I know, just insane. 250 00:10:31,945 --> 00:10:33,905 Speaker 1: Let's start with the basics. 251 00:10:33,985 --> 00:10:37,185 Speaker 4: I want you to walk me through your current skincare routine. 252 00:10:37,265 --> 00:10:40,025 Speaker 1: I know that we always talk about this. 253 00:10:40,105 --> 00:10:42,225 Speaker 4: I recently did a formula episode, not recently, but a 254 00:10:42,225 --> 00:10:42,905 Speaker 4: couple of months ago. 255 00:10:42,945 --> 00:10:44,745 Speaker 1: My skincare routines has already changed. 256 00:10:45,065 --> 00:10:47,105 Speaker 3: So like what I used this morning? 257 00:10:47,305 --> 00:10:51,465 Speaker 4: Yeah, and last night, let's do AMPM routine ish take 258 00:10:51,505 --> 00:10:53,505 Speaker 4: it with a grain of salt. You're only going to 259 00:10:53,505 --> 00:10:57,505 Speaker 4: remember some products, obviously, and she cost nothing. 260 00:10:57,625 --> 00:11:01,505 Speaker 2: Okay, this morning I got up very early. Why I 261 00:11:01,505 --> 00:11:02,865 Speaker 2: don't know, because I had to be here to do 262 00:11:02,905 --> 00:11:05,505 Speaker 2: this with you. No, only joking and child and juggle. 263 00:11:06,105 --> 00:11:09,425 Speaker 2: I had showered the night before. Interestingly, I'm normally a 264 00:11:09,465 --> 00:11:12,305 Speaker 2: more and hair wash a shower up at nighttimer. 265 00:11:12,465 --> 00:11:13,785 Speaker 3: Yes, but that's how early it was. 266 00:11:13,865 --> 00:11:16,985 Speaker 2: So I was just going to I just my cellard 267 00:11:16,985 --> 00:11:19,345 Speaker 2: my face and then I did my led mask. 268 00:11:19,625 --> 00:11:21,825 Speaker 3: Did you yep? I know. 269 00:11:22,345 --> 00:11:24,225 Speaker 2: It's three minutes and I can walk around the house. 270 00:11:24,265 --> 00:11:26,225 Speaker 2: It's like straps to my head. I'm like, look black 271 00:11:26,305 --> 00:11:29,145 Speaker 2: Robocops on q Ure, that's the one I use. 272 00:11:29,705 --> 00:11:30,705 Speaker 3: I took that off. 273 00:11:30,745 --> 00:11:34,105 Speaker 2: I put some James Cosmetics eye masks on because again, 274 00:11:34,225 --> 00:11:36,785 Speaker 2: walk around the house, so I like to double multi whatever. 275 00:11:37,905 --> 00:11:41,065 Speaker 2: Usually I would reach from my skin suiticulls see for 276 00:11:41,105 --> 00:11:41,825 Speaker 2: a week first. 277 00:11:42,425 --> 00:11:43,305 Speaker 3: But I'm trying. 278 00:11:43,345 --> 00:11:45,465 Speaker 1: And you recently broke in another one. 279 00:11:45,545 --> 00:11:47,465 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, I've been quite good. I 280 00:11:47,505 --> 00:11:50,745 Speaker 2: normally smashed my expensive things by accident. Because I'm rushing 281 00:11:50,745 --> 00:11:53,825 Speaker 2: around trying to multitask. I'm using a new to me 282 00:11:54,465 --> 00:11:56,385 Speaker 2: antioxidant serum from cosmetics. 283 00:11:56,705 --> 00:11:58,425 Speaker 3: Oh really nice, really like that. 284 00:11:58,865 --> 00:12:03,065 Speaker 2: On top of that, I layered the skin suiticulls ptox, 285 00:12:03,185 --> 00:12:05,905 Speaker 2: so that's like a peptide antioxidant one as well. 286 00:12:05,985 --> 00:12:06,785 Speaker 1: You got me onto that. 287 00:12:07,345 --> 00:12:10,665 Speaker 2: Then, because it's winter and I'm quite dry moisturized, I 288 00:12:10,665 --> 00:12:13,665 Speaker 2: normally would go straight from my two serums to an SPF, 289 00:12:14,145 --> 00:12:17,465 Speaker 2: but I'm moisturized and I used I can't remember the brand. 290 00:12:17,825 --> 00:12:20,745 Speaker 2: It is a white tube. I've brought it in before 291 00:12:20,865 --> 00:12:22,905 Speaker 2: twists up. It's like a gel formula. 292 00:12:23,185 --> 00:12:23,545 Speaker 1: Trinny. 293 00:12:23,905 --> 00:12:25,545 Speaker 2: No, we're gonna have to put it in the show notes. 294 00:12:25,585 --> 00:12:28,905 Speaker 2: Another cosmeceutical brand after the James Cosmetics. I put on 295 00:12:28,945 --> 00:12:31,465 Speaker 2: I cream, the twenty two dollar bubble icrem that you 296 00:12:31,545 --> 00:12:36,585 Speaker 2: got me onto. It's so good, phenomenal makeup. Never pills 297 00:12:36,585 --> 00:12:39,545 Speaker 2: onto it, just so. It's a great texture for under makeup, 298 00:12:39,545 --> 00:12:42,065 Speaker 2: but supernurishing. It's not too light. Then I put on 299 00:12:42,185 --> 00:12:44,665 Speaker 2: that moisturize that I can't remember. I can see it 300 00:12:44,705 --> 00:12:45,225 Speaker 2: in my head. 301 00:12:45,305 --> 00:12:46,425 Speaker 1: I'll link it in the show notes. 302 00:12:46,425 --> 00:12:46,865 Speaker 3: It's okay. 303 00:12:46,945 --> 00:12:51,145 Speaker 2: Then today's SPF was make a cosmetica to save face, 304 00:12:51,185 --> 00:12:52,945 Speaker 2: because that one's good if you're doing a long day 305 00:12:52,945 --> 00:12:54,945 Speaker 2: of makeup because it's formulated like a primer. 306 00:12:55,665 --> 00:12:56,505 Speaker 3: That's our skincare. 307 00:12:56,705 --> 00:12:59,385 Speaker 1: That's okay. I'm so impressed with you though. 308 00:12:59,505 --> 00:13:03,145 Speaker 4: Okay, the James Cosmetics and the Led Well, it's why 309 00:13:03,145 --> 00:13:06,065 Speaker 4: you're glowing so exceptionally today, am I No, it's what's 310 00:13:06,105 --> 00:13:09,665 Speaker 4: happening is depths of winter, child and kindy so still adjusted, 311 00:13:09,905 --> 00:13:11,785 Speaker 4: getting into my bed, going here, going there. 312 00:13:12,545 --> 00:13:15,305 Speaker 2: I'm so tired and not getting much to sleep. And 313 00:13:15,345 --> 00:13:17,705 Speaker 2: also just when you hit forty three or whenever, you 314 00:13:17,825 --> 00:13:19,065 Speaker 2: just gravity just take. 315 00:13:18,905 --> 00:13:19,865 Speaker 1: It still the help you can get. 316 00:13:19,985 --> 00:13:21,545 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look, I'm not going to sit down 317 00:13:21,585 --> 00:13:22,865 Speaker 2: and do a ten or twenty minutes something. 318 00:13:22,905 --> 00:13:24,905 Speaker 3: We have to be still. But both of those steps 319 00:13:24,945 --> 00:13:27,225 Speaker 3: I can continue with my preparations. 320 00:13:27,225 --> 00:13:28,465 Speaker 1: There's always so many different things. 321 00:13:28,745 --> 00:13:30,585 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's why I'd love to be a gasher 322 00:13:30,585 --> 00:13:34,145 Speaker 2: and a massager, but that involves me standing still and concentrating. 323 00:13:34,425 --> 00:13:36,225 Speaker 3: These are just pop on and can you to. 324 00:13:36,305 --> 00:13:39,465 Speaker 4: Get into watching TV on your phone because then you're 325 00:13:39,745 --> 00:13:40,185 Speaker 4: but not. 326 00:13:40,145 --> 00:13:41,705 Speaker 3: In the at six in the morning, I've got to 327 00:13:41,745 --> 00:13:42,385 Speaker 3: go somewhere. 328 00:13:42,705 --> 00:13:45,465 Speaker 4: Yeah, I watched an episode of the resident while I 329 00:13:45,505 --> 00:13:47,545 Speaker 4: did my makeup and hair and skin care this morning? 330 00:13:48,225 --> 00:13:50,065 Speaker 3: You watch something while you did your makeup? 331 00:13:50,225 --> 00:13:53,425 Speaker 2: Yes, because I don't like to just sit there, but 332 00:13:53,505 --> 00:13:54,385 Speaker 2: I watch then, so. 333 00:13:54,505 --> 00:13:56,145 Speaker 3: Don't you have to get things ready? 334 00:13:56,585 --> 00:13:56,785 Speaker 2: No? 335 00:13:57,225 --> 00:13:58,025 Speaker 3: Okay, very good. 336 00:13:58,225 --> 00:14:00,065 Speaker 2: So that's what I did this morning, and then obviously 337 00:14:00,145 --> 00:14:02,065 Speaker 2: make up on top. And because i'd washed my hair 338 00:14:02,105 --> 00:14:04,025 Speaker 2: the night before, I noted that this isn't hair related, 339 00:14:04,065 --> 00:14:06,265 Speaker 2: but I beco love the details though. Oh well, I 340 00:14:06,345 --> 00:14:09,025 Speaker 2: sleep with it now. If i've I've kind of rough 341 00:14:09,105 --> 00:14:10,625 Speaker 2: dried it. But I I had a better bit wet 342 00:14:10,985 --> 00:14:14,545 Speaker 2: in center part and then pigtails, but at the back 343 00:14:14,585 --> 00:14:16,745 Speaker 2: so I can still go either side so that I 344 00:14:16,785 --> 00:14:19,585 Speaker 2: don't wake up, because otherwise it would be chicken crazy head. 345 00:14:19,905 --> 00:14:21,745 Speaker 2: I just sleep with two little pigtails, and I take 346 00:14:21,745 --> 00:14:24,105 Speaker 2: it out because I'm normally a centerpart, and then I 347 00:14:24,105 --> 00:14:26,745 Speaker 2: can starle it. But now it's back. But it looked 348 00:14:26,785 --> 00:14:29,145 Speaker 2: good this morning and tonight. What are you going to 349 00:14:29,185 --> 00:14:30,145 Speaker 2: do for your skincare? 350 00:14:31,105 --> 00:14:32,385 Speaker 1: You have a bath every night. 351 00:14:32,545 --> 00:14:35,905 Speaker 2: I have a bath every single night because it signifies 352 00:14:36,145 --> 00:14:38,865 Speaker 2: washing the day of. And then kind of because I 353 00:14:39,065 --> 00:14:41,185 Speaker 2: don't like to also stay in my clothes, I put 354 00:14:41,225 --> 00:14:43,265 Speaker 2: on what I calls my after school clothes. 355 00:14:43,145 --> 00:14:46,825 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. People that are like wear their dresses 356 00:14:46,905 --> 00:14:47,905 Speaker 1: or jeans at home. 357 00:14:47,785 --> 00:14:54,745 Speaker 2: Jeans weird and weird normally cleans before I get in 358 00:14:54,785 --> 00:14:57,425 Speaker 2: the bath, So I will do a double cleanse at 359 00:14:57,425 --> 00:15:01,545 Speaker 2: the moment. I'm using the Nuturium balm cleanser first because 360 00:15:01,585 --> 00:15:04,985 Speaker 2: I've run out of the Benefit Professional oil, which I love. 361 00:15:05,745 --> 00:15:10,425 Speaker 2: My second cleanses that I'm using is the BioMA. Is 362 00:15:10,465 --> 00:15:12,345 Speaker 2: that Oh yes, the one in the yellow Tubby told 363 00:15:12,385 --> 00:15:14,025 Speaker 2: me about it. Yeah, it's a yellow tube and it's 364 00:15:14,105 --> 00:15:15,145 Speaker 2: kind of like a milk or whatever. 365 00:15:15,185 --> 00:15:17,305 Speaker 3: That's so beautiful. So I'll do a double cleanse. 366 00:15:17,825 --> 00:15:20,065 Speaker 2: People say how do you have time to do your skincare, 367 00:15:20,465 --> 00:15:23,265 Speaker 2: or that they'll do it, then they're too tired to 368 00:15:23,265 --> 00:15:24,025 Speaker 2: do it or whatnot. 369 00:15:24,185 --> 00:15:26,025 Speaker 1: I do all my sons in the bar. Yeah, me 370 00:15:26,145 --> 00:15:27,385 Speaker 1: to talk to him. Yeah. 371 00:15:27,505 --> 00:15:28,865 Speaker 3: Or I'll just do a step and come back an 372 00:15:28,865 --> 00:15:29,625 Speaker 3: hour later and do another. 373 00:15:29,665 --> 00:15:30,265 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. 374 00:15:30,425 --> 00:15:32,745 Speaker 2: If I do have time for a mask, I love 375 00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:36,225 Speaker 2: both Aspect probiotic mask or the Aspect HRD rating mask. 376 00:15:36,305 --> 00:15:38,305 Speaker 2: They look exactly the same. I don't have my glasses on. 377 00:15:38,345 --> 00:15:39,945 Speaker 2: Sometimes I could have the wrong one. I don't do 378 00:15:39,985 --> 00:15:42,065 Speaker 2: this every night, but I do it when I can. 379 00:15:42,225 --> 00:15:43,985 Speaker 2: If I'm home early enough and I don't want to 380 00:15:44,025 --> 00:15:47,545 Speaker 2: do like my retinol, then I would do probably depending 381 00:15:47,585 --> 00:15:47,905 Speaker 2: on the night. 382 00:15:47,945 --> 00:15:48,745 Speaker 3: A retinal step. 383 00:15:49,385 --> 00:15:52,345 Speaker 2: My favorite one at the moment is skin Better Science, 384 00:15:52,465 --> 00:15:54,985 Speaker 2: but it's impossible to get because they're. 385 00:15:54,785 --> 00:15:56,425 Speaker 1: Having even heard of it. 386 00:15:56,425 --> 00:15:59,705 Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's quite a small known brand Cosmeceutical. I 387 00:15:59,705 --> 00:16:01,905 Speaker 2: think it's out of New Zealand, but I think because 388 00:16:01,945 --> 00:16:05,345 Speaker 2: Australia is bringing in new laws through TGA for retinol products, 389 00:16:05,385 --> 00:16:09,425 Speaker 2: everyone's reformulating to meet their thing, so it's so hard 390 00:16:09,425 --> 00:16:11,705 Speaker 2: to get. So I really ration and what I've got there. 391 00:16:11,865 --> 00:16:13,345 Speaker 2: My other ones that I really love are the Olah 392 00:16:13,345 --> 00:16:17,185 Speaker 2: Hendrickson one. I really like the go To. I think 393 00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,345 Speaker 2: that's really good. The go To retinal is. 394 00:16:19,265 --> 00:16:20,465 Speaker 1: My great's obsessed with it. 395 00:16:20,505 --> 00:16:21,665 Speaker 3: Well because it's orange. 396 00:16:21,665 --> 00:16:23,825 Speaker 2: It's almost like a guide if you're too orange, you've 397 00:16:23,865 --> 00:16:26,505 Speaker 2: put too much on. The I cream's great too. So 398 00:16:26,745 --> 00:16:27,865 Speaker 2: let's say it's retinal night. 399 00:16:27,905 --> 00:16:28,505 Speaker 3: I'll do that. 400 00:16:28,745 --> 00:16:32,545 Speaker 2: They're I'll try and leave it if I can for 401 00:16:32,585 --> 00:16:34,865 Speaker 2: at least five minutes, but oftentimes I'm distracted and I've 402 00:16:34,905 --> 00:16:36,465 Speaker 2: gone and done something else that's been there for an hour. 403 00:16:36,865 --> 00:16:39,905 Speaker 2: Then I'll pop on a serum and then probably a 404 00:16:39,945 --> 00:16:40,865 Speaker 2: sandwich like it. 405 00:16:40,905 --> 00:16:42,545 Speaker 3: I'll do heaps of stuff. 406 00:16:42,545 --> 00:16:45,265 Speaker 2: The serum at the moment I'm liking at night is 407 00:16:45,425 --> 00:16:50,225 Speaker 2: the Laroche Fise Sickerplass Balm five serum, not the cream. 408 00:16:50,305 --> 00:16:53,145 Speaker 3: There's a serum that sounds very juicy. Oh, it's so good. 409 00:16:53,185 --> 00:16:56,825 Speaker 2: There's even the spray now, Oh, I know, the spray's phenomenal. 410 00:16:57,105 --> 00:17:01,025 Speaker 2: It's really good for pumping out chests bits and then 411 00:17:01,465 --> 00:17:03,985 Speaker 2: it's probably spread out while I'm telling my sons, but 412 00:17:03,985 --> 00:17:04,825 Speaker 2: it's still five minutes. 413 00:17:05,185 --> 00:17:05,785 Speaker 3: Yeah total. 414 00:17:05,905 --> 00:17:09,385 Speaker 2: Yeah, So after that serum, I would either do just 415 00:17:09,505 --> 00:17:11,625 Speaker 2: enough cream and are an oil. 416 00:17:12,345 --> 00:17:15,505 Speaker 3: I love. There's a vitamin E Planer's Chips. 417 00:17:15,505 --> 00:17:16,585 Speaker 2: I don't know the name. We'll have to put in 418 00:17:16,625 --> 00:17:19,665 Speaker 2: the show notes. Big tub of vitamin E cream from 419 00:17:19,745 --> 00:17:20,145 Speaker 2: I Hearb. 420 00:17:20,225 --> 00:17:20,625 Speaker 3: I love that. 421 00:17:20,705 --> 00:17:22,545 Speaker 1: I know exactly the one that you're talking about. 422 00:17:22,945 --> 00:17:23,265 Speaker 3: Love that. 423 00:17:23,545 --> 00:17:26,825 Speaker 2: I love all the Jelique face oils or I've been 424 00:17:26,905 --> 00:17:29,705 Speaker 2: using a lot of I mean Vaness Egan lately. It 425 00:17:30,105 --> 00:17:32,745 Speaker 2: just come over and see what happens. That sounds like 426 00:17:32,785 --> 00:17:33,825 Speaker 2: a lot, but it's very quick. 427 00:17:34,105 --> 00:17:36,025 Speaker 4: No, yeah, I don't think it's not like a twenty 428 00:17:36,065 --> 00:17:39,865 Speaker 4: one step skincare routine. You've mentioned that uneven skin tone 429 00:17:39,985 --> 00:17:42,345 Speaker 4: on MID is more aging than wrinkles. 430 00:17:42,665 --> 00:17:45,265 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I did an episode of Mid, Holly, wayneh 431 00:17:45,345 --> 00:17:45,945 Speaker 2: It's fantastic. 432 00:17:45,945 --> 00:17:47,985 Speaker 1: We can also link that in the Yeah, that was. 433 00:17:47,985 --> 00:17:51,105 Speaker 2: Great, not just I'm not saying I was great, It 434 00:17:51,145 --> 00:17:53,225 Speaker 2: was a good episode. Holy ask some great questions. So 435 00:17:53,345 --> 00:17:55,465 Speaker 2: there's a belief out there or some studies out there 436 00:17:55,465 --> 00:17:59,545 Speaker 2: that show that the visual appearance of uneven skin tone 437 00:17:59,585 --> 00:18:03,985 Speaker 2: and hyperpigmentation makes someone appear older than wrinkles. And I 438 00:18:04,025 --> 00:18:06,985 Speaker 2: explained on there the difference between intrinsic aging and the 439 00:18:07,065 --> 00:18:09,225 Speaker 2: fact that wrinkles are gonna happen to you no matter what. 440 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:11,425 Speaker 2: Even if I explained on the episode you're a vampire 441 00:18:11,425 --> 00:18:13,945 Speaker 2: in a dark room, wrinkles just happened thanks to gravity, 442 00:18:14,265 --> 00:18:17,865 Speaker 2: whereas most of hyperpigmentation and pigmentation are lifestyle related. So 443 00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:21,945 Speaker 2: it also depends the demographic that you've studied, because it's 444 00:18:22,065 --> 00:18:25,305 Speaker 2: particularly more prevalent in lighter skins, not so much in 445 00:18:25,385 --> 00:18:27,465 Speaker 2: darker skins. That's not to say that's not you know, 446 00:18:27,545 --> 00:18:31,385 Speaker 2: the case, but yes, for the group's surveyed, people were 447 00:18:31,425 --> 00:18:34,105 Speaker 2: perceived to be older than they were if they had 448 00:18:34,145 --> 00:18:37,025 Speaker 2: more uneven tone as opposed to people that had even 449 00:18:37,065 --> 00:18:40,145 Speaker 2: tone but more wrinkles. That makes so much sense because 450 00:18:40,945 --> 00:18:45,185 Speaker 2: someone that has darker skin generally they age, and I 451 00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:49,465 Speaker 2: say age better, like obviously that is Yeah, it's a 452 00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:51,105 Speaker 2: hard way to do. I mean animal say that's what 453 00:18:51,225 --> 00:18:53,185 Speaker 2: aging doesn't matter where Well, of course it's a good 454 00:18:53,185 --> 00:18:56,145 Speaker 2: thing to age. But my dad's examples never used a 455 00:18:56,145 --> 00:18:58,545 Speaker 2: skin care product in his life. But I'd say he 456 00:18:58,585 --> 00:19:02,425 Speaker 2: looks younger than he's sixty two years because he's got 457 00:19:02,425 --> 00:19:05,505 Speaker 2: that darker skin tone. Yes, so doesn't get yeah the 458 00:19:05,585 --> 00:19:08,625 Speaker 2: malasma and yeah, apipitation And obviously this is the study 459 00:19:08,665 --> 00:19:13,745 Speaker 2: is done as base around people's perception of someone's exactly. 460 00:19:13,945 --> 00:19:15,905 Speaker 1: Yes, so she's also subjective. 461 00:19:16,065 --> 00:19:19,865 Speaker 4: Yes, if someone could only buy one serum, what type 462 00:19:19,865 --> 00:19:22,065 Speaker 4: should it be? So you don't have to say, like 463 00:19:22,105 --> 00:19:24,985 Speaker 4: a specific brand, but what ingredient or function? 464 00:19:25,465 --> 00:19:26,625 Speaker 3: For me, it would be vitamin C. 465 00:19:27,345 --> 00:19:29,825 Speaker 1: But I love that you didn't say retinal. Everyone says 466 00:19:29,945 --> 00:19:30,705 Speaker 1: a bit different. 467 00:19:30,785 --> 00:19:33,185 Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, if you know, for general, 468 00:19:33,225 --> 00:19:35,945 Speaker 2: it would be a vitamin A product only because vitamin 469 00:19:35,985 --> 00:19:39,865 Speaker 2: A is the single most studied ingredient in skincare, so 470 00:19:39,905 --> 00:19:41,985 Speaker 2: we know the most about it and it's a great 471 00:19:41,985 --> 00:19:47,065 Speaker 2: all round of for fading, acne, aging, pigmentation, everything, But 472 00:19:47,345 --> 00:19:50,345 Speaker 2: for me, I would choose a vitamin C in the morning. 473 00:19:50,385 --> 00:19:54,345 Speaker 4: Love that you've been very honest about treatments over the years. 474 00:19:54,345 --> 00:19:56,065 Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like you and I couldn't be 475 00:19:56,225 --> 00:19:57,545 Speaker 4: not honest because. 476 00:19:57,265 --> 00:19:59,585 Speaker 2: People see our faces all the time, so to be like, 477 00:19:59,625 --> 00:20:03,545 Speaker 2: why do you suddenly look so much gloryer regular facials 478 00:20:03,545 --> 00:20:06,585 Speaker 2: to laser ipl what treatments have you tried that you 479 00:20:06,585 --> 00:20:10,545 Speaker 2: would do again? And what is your standar on professional 480 00:20:10,585 --> 00:20:12,305 Speaker 2: treatments versus at home skincare. 481 00:20:12,985 --> 00:20:16,505 Speaker 3: Look, I rarely get you don't have time anymore. 482 00:20:16,585 --> 00:20:19,625 Speaker 2: So back when I was at Cosmo in print magazine, 483 00:20:19,625 --> 00:20:21,185 Speaker 2: you know, print media, I thought it was really busy. 484 00:20:21,745 --> 00:20:23,225 Speaker 2: You know, we're very lucky in this job. We get 485 00:20:23,225 --> 00:20:26,385 Speaker 2: offered facials and treatments all the time. Having the time 486 00:20:26,425 --> 00:20:28,585 Speaker 2: to actually go do it though, Yeah, So what is 487 00:20:28,585 --> 00:20:29,425 Speaker 2: it July now? 488 00:20:29,745 --> 00:20:30,185 Speaker 1: Yeah? 489 00:20:30,305 --> 00:20:32,105 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're more than midway through the year and I've 490 00:20:32,145 --> 00:20:35,585 Speaker 2: had two facials this year because I don't have the time, 491 00:20:36,065 --> 00:20:38,465 Speaker 2: and oh I do. Look, of course I have the time, 492 00:20:38,465 --> 00:20:40,065 Speaker 2: but I've got to make up that time elsewhere? 493 00:20:40,385 --> 00:20:41,625 Speaker 3: What would I have done again? 494 00:20:41,905 --> 00:20:44,745 Speaker 2: Well, you recently had a facial that you said was 495 00:20:44,745 --> 00:20:47,065 Speaker 2: one of Yeah, it was a Vanessa Megan facial that 496 00:20:47,145 --> 00:20:50,905 Speaker 2: was phenomenal because it was results even I felt really glowy. 497 00:20:51,505 --> 00:20:53,345 Speaker 3: But also it was deep massage. 498 00:20:53,385 --> 00:20:55,985 Speaker 2: And like oftentimes when you get to a certain age, 499 00:20:56,025 --> 00:20:57,945 Speaker 2: you feel like you have to choose between auchi not 500 00:20:58,065 --> 00:21:01,825 Speaker 2: enjoyable results or massage bit fluffy, not really doing much. 501 00:21:01,825 --> 00:21:03,185 Speaker 2: This was a bit of both, and it was an hour. 502 00:21:03,305 --> 00:21:04,465 Speaker 2: Do not give me an hour and a half, Do 503 00:21:04,545 --> 00:21:07,025 Speaker 2: not give me two hours, don't have time. Oh something 504 00:21:07,025 --> 00:21:09,065 Speaker 2: I did do once this year that I definitely want 505 00:21:09,105 --> 00:21:09,665 Speaker 2: to book in again. 506 00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:10,665 Speaker 1: In Sydney. 507 00:21:10,705 --> 00:21:13,585 Speaker 2: There's a wonderful woman her businesses. She's so well and 508 00:21:13,665 --> 00:21:17,545 Speaker 2: I did some lymphatic drainage. It was ninety minutes. That's 509 00:21:17,585 --> 00:21:19,225 Speaker 2: what made me think of it, because she did body 510 00:21:19,265 --> 00:21:22,945 Speaker 2: and face. I'm a very puffy person, as we've discussed. 511 00:21:22,585 --> 00:21:23,945 Speaker 1: And neither of us have ankles. 512 00:21:24,025 --> 00:21:26,745 Speaker 2: I don't have ankles. My face is puffy, just everything. 513 00:21:27,345 --> 00:21:30,185 Speaker 2: And there's two types of lymphatic massage. One is like 514 00:21:30,225 --> 00:21:33,145 Speaker 2: a very softest yeah, ell no, she it was so 515 00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:35,705 Speaker 2: firm and so like it hurt me in a good 516 00:21:35,745 --> 00:21:37,905 Speaker 2: way and so enjoyable. And she did all my body 517 00:21:37,945 --> 00:21:40,505 Speaker 2: and then she did my face and I did it 518 00:21:40,545 --> 00:21:42,905 Speaker 2: on a Friday afternoon, and the way I felt afterwards, 519 00:21:42,905 --> 00:21:45,905 Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed that ninety minutes, Whereas normally, as 520 00:21:45,905 --> 00:21:49,345 Speaker 2: someone who can't sit still, I get really edgy in 521 00:21:49,465 --> 00:21:52,345 Speaker 2: long treat It takes me almost like if I go 522 00:21:52,385 --> 00:21:54,585 Speaker 2: for an hour massage, I probably only relax the last 523 00:21:54,625 --> 00:21:55,105 Speaker 2: ten minutes. 524 00:21:55,185 --> 00:21:58,145 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can need to ask how long? 525 00:21:58,585 --> 00:22:00,385 Speaker 2: Like that's why I don't get my nails done when 526 00:22:00,425 --> 00:22:03,345 Speaker 2: I go once again watch TV. Well, even when I 527 00:22:03,385 --> 00:22:05,785 Speaker 2: get my hair done, my hair dress and nose, he goes, okay, ife, 528 00:22:05,785 --> 00:22:07,545 Speaker 2: you go and I walk around them all with all 529 00:22:07,585 --> 00:22:09,145 Speaker 2: the things in and my roll bond because I can't 530 00:22:09,185 --> 00:22:12,425 Speaker 2: sit still. So anyway, Yeah, that lymphatic drainage massage was 531 00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:14,945 Speaker 2: phenomenal and I will book in again, and obviously I 532 00:22:14,945 --> 00:22:17,745 Speaker 2: paid for that myself. But you know, you can't replace 533 00:22:18,185 --> 00:22:23,025 Speaker 2: diligent at home routine. Having said that, you don't have 534 00:22:23,065 --> 00:22:24,825 Speaker 2: to be so diligent and do every step all the time. 535 00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:26,585 Speaker 2: I often fall asleep with my makeup on, or just 536 00:22:26,665 --> 00:22:30,825 Speaker 2: use my cellar. But sometimes I cannot be bothered, agreed. 537 00:22:31,145 --> 00:22:33,305 Speaker 2: You know, like if I can't be bothered, if I 538 00:22:33,345 --> 00:22:35,065 Speaker 2: haven't already fallen asleep on the couch, I will do 539 00:22:35,105 --> 00:22:36,705 Speaker 2: my seller and a sleep mask because I'm like, oh, 540 00:22:36,825 --> 00:22:38,665 Speaker 2: sleep mask's one step and that's all I have the 541 00:22:38,745 --> 00:22:41,425 Speaker 2: energy for. But unless you're a trillionaire who can get 542 00:22:41,425 --> 00:22:44,225 Speaker 2: a facial, you know, every few weeks, focus on here 543 00:22:44,265 --> 00:22:47,945 Speaker 2: at home care. Honestly, sometimes people will ask me about 544 00:22:47,985 --> 00:22:50,545 Speaker 2: that sort of question, and I'm like, if you've got 545 00:22:50,545 --> 00:22:53,425 Speaker 2: three hundred dollars a year or every six months to 546 00:22:53,425 --> 00:22:55,425 Speaker 2: spend on your skin care, I wouldn't spend it on 547 00:22:55,425 --> 00:22:55,825 Speaker 2: a treatment. 548 00:22:55,825 --> 00:22:57,065 Speaker 1: I'd spend it on a really good serum. 549 00:22:57,145 --> 00:22:59,185 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because it's like, you know, going to the 550 00:22:59,225 --> 00:23:01,065 Speaker 2: gym once every six month. Yeah, it's like having one 551 00:23:01,105 --> 00:23:03,825 Speaker 2: session with a personal trainer, or you know, downloading an app 552 00:23:03,745 --> 00:23:05,505 Speaker 2: where you can do it at home or every. 553 00:23:05,425 --> 00:23:08,905 Speaker 1: Day or you know whatever way more efficient and effective. Yeap. 554 00:23:13,825 --> 00:23:16,865 Speaker 4: What do you think is the biggest beauty mistake people 555 00:23:16,945 --> 00:23:19,905 Speaker 4: make as they get older? And mistake is like, there 556 00:23:19,945 --> 00:23:22,225 Speaker 4: is no mistakes in beauty. It's not saving lives. But 557 00:23:22,305 --> 00:23:24,745 Speaker 4: what do you see people doing a lot of that? 558 00:23:24,785 --> 00:23:28,185 Speaker 2: You think oh, as get older in general. Yeah, okay, well, 559 00:23:28,225 --> 00:23:30,625 Speaker 2: I think maybe applying blue eye shadow like they did 560 00:23:30,665 --> 00:23:31,705 Speaker 2: when they were twenty five years. 561 00:23:31,545 --> 00:23:34,025 Speaker 3: Oh, I love that look. Look. I think we all 562 00:23:34,065 --> 00:23:35,025 Speaker 3: wish we had a time machine. 563 00:23:35,065 --> 00:23:37,265 Speaker 2: Anyone my age to go back and wear sunscreen sooner 564 00:23:37,345 --> 00:23:41,065 Speaker 2: it's but it's never too late. Diligent sunscreen goes without saying. 565 00:23:41,345 --> 00:23:44,305 Speaker 2: I think just maybe getting losing confidence and then getting 566 00:23:44,305 --> 00:23:46,305 Speaker 2: stuck in a rut like I feel like even I 567 00:23:46,385 --> 00:23:47,745 Speaker 2: do that because I'm like, I know, am I look 568 00:23:47,785 --> 00:23:49,545 Speaker 2: and I'll do that and I won't experiment. But I 569 00:23:49,585 --> 00:23:53,745 Speaker 2: think that there's been so many amazing if we're talking makeup, 570 00:23:54,065 --> 00:23:57,625 Speaker 2: so many amazing advances in formulas. You know, almost all 571 00:23:57,625 --> 00:23:59,265 Speaker 2: foundations now have skincare in them. 572 00:23:59,625 --> 00:24:00,745 Speaker 1: You're now a blush girl. 573 00:24:00,825 --> 00:24:03,465 Speaker 2: I wear blush now because my face started to disappear, 574 00:24:03,625 --> 00:24:05,745 Speaker 2: like the color in my face. I got my lips 575 00:24:05,745 --> 00:24:07,825 Speaker 2: tattooed on quite a few years ago. My lips ticket 576 00:24:07,825 --> 00:24:09,585 Speaker 2: it's pretty much gone now. But I would say, you know, 577 00:24:10,625 --> 00:24:13,425 Speaker 2: don't withdraw. I feel like you go, okay, well, you 578 00:24:13,465 --> 00:24:15,065 Speaker 2: know I'm too old to have fun with beauty or 579 00:24:15,105 --> 00:24:19,185 Speaker 2: you know, it's for the young kids. But oftentimes trying 580 00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:23,305 Speaker 2: newer formulas and more fluttering, you know, thinner textures, more glowy, 581 00:24:23,905 --> 00:24:26,065 Speaker 2: mix up your makeup and your brow like I think, 582 00:24:26,225 --> 00:24:29,025 Speaker 2: just don't feel like you've had your chance and now 583 00:24:29,025 --> 00:24:33,265 Speaker 2: you're setting new ways. We test products for a living 584 00:24:33,505 --> 00:24:34,825 Speaker 2: well as part of our job. 585 00:24:35,305 --> 00:24:36,025 Speaker 3: What's living? 586 00:24:36,185 --> 00:24:38,465 Speaker 4: We would die, We would absolutely die and not be 587 00:24:38,465 --> 00:24:41,025 Speaker 4: able to pay a mortgage or send our children to 588 00:24:41,065 --> 00:24:44,105 Speaker 4: school if we didn't test beauty products. What is the 589 00:24:44,105 --> 00:24:46,625 Speaker 4: most overhyped thing in beauty right now that people are 590 00:24:46,665 --> 00:24:49,425 Speaker 4: wasting money on? And what do you think is a 591 00:24:49,465 --> 00:24:50,505 Speaker 4: recent game changer? 592 00:24:50,865 --> 00:24:52,065 Speaker 3: Recent game changer? 593 00:24:53,065 --> 00:24:54,825 Speaker 2: I mean for me, it was when my cellar water, 594 00:24:54,945 --> 00:24:56,585 Speaker 2: Like when I got onto biodome and my cellar water 595 00:24:56,665 --> 00:24:58,665 Speaker 2: just because I can't, like I literally cannot live without it. 596 00:24:58,825 --> 00:25:00,705 Speaker 2: That wasn't recent. Though you've been a fandful I know, 597 00:25:01,345 --> 00:25:04,105 Speaker 2: do you love that product? But I just remember, like 598 00:25:04,305 --> 00:25:06,505 Speaker 2: this is how old I am. I remember when face 599 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:08,825 Speaker 2: wipes came into the industry and we're all doing face 600 00:25:08,865 --> 00:25:10,825 Speaker 2: wipes and then buy and my cellar water came and 601 00:25:10,825 --> 00:25:12,545 Speaker 2: I was like, but where's the wipe and they're like, 602 00:25:12,585 --> 00:25:14,825 Speaker 2: no you and I was like, oh my god. And 603 00:25:14,905 --> 00:25:17,865 Speaker 2: my skin loved it so much more than face wipes. 604 00:25:18,025 --> 00:25:20,265 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of something more recent that's a 605 00:25:20,305 --> 00:25:23,785 Speaker 2: game changer. The new rek So owner all over deodorant 606 00:25:23,905 --> 00:25:26,025 Speaker 2: that you can use in other places. I think it's 607 00:25:26,065 --> 00:25:28,505 Speaker 2: really clever because it's not glamorous, but it's solving a 608 00:25:28,545 --> 00:25:30,785 Speaker 2: problem that a lot of people have. You know, the 609 00:25:30,785 --> 00:25:33,585 Speaker 2: world's getting hotter. Our summers are so hot. I'm peary 610 00:25:33,985 --> 00:25:36,145 Speaker 2: and I sweat, and it's not all from under my arm. 611 00:25:36,185 --> 00:25:39,945 Speaker 2: So I just think answering a problem and being ashamed 612 00:25:39,945 --> 00:25:42,025 Speaker 2: about it, just saying deodorant for everywhere, I just thought 613 00:25:42,025 --> 00:25:42,905 Speaker 2: that was so clever. 614 00:25:43,145 --> 00:25:43,945 Speaker 1: I cannot wait. 615 00:25:44,025 --> 00:25:46,225 Speaker 2: I mean I absolutely can, but for a really hot 616 00:25:46,305 --> 00:25:49,305 Speaker 2: day to tends to under my titty, Yes I do too. 617 00:25:49,505 --> 00:25:53,465 Speaker 1: I get yours, like both of us. They shouldn't sit 618 00:25:53,625 --> 00:25:54,265 Speaker 1: that far down. 619 00:25:54,265 --> 00:25:56,465 Speaker 2: But no matter what, you get that shirt so much 620 00:25:56,505 --> 00:25:58,625 Speaker 2: realistic to put on that thing and like put it 621 00:25:58,705 --> 00:26:01,665 Speaker 2: under there. So I just think I think any innovation 622 00:26:01,785 --> 00:26:04,865 Speaker 2: that's like who cares if it's gross, let's talk about it, 623 00:26:04,945 --> 00:26:08,345 Speaker 2: let's deal with it. I think that's where brands is succeeding, 624 00:26:08,385 --> 00:26:10,225 Speaker 2: as opposed to Hear's another extent, I think you don't 625 00:26:10,265 --> 00:26:13,625 Speaker 2: really need. Yeah, you know, I like saturated you know, 626 00:26:13,705 --> 00:26:16,785 Speaker 2: chafing farms, like just all that stuff. It's like, great, 627 00:26:16,985 --> 00:26:18,505 Speaker 2: I wanted that. I didn't know who to go to. 628 00:26:18,625 --> 00:26:19,985 Speaker 2: Now you've invented it. 629 00:26:20,025 --> 00:26:22,385 Speaker 4: Is there something that you haven't ever said, like a 630 00:26:22,425 --> 00:26:24,505 Speaker 4: weird beauty tip that you swear by that you. 631 00:26:24,425 --> 00:26:26,625 Speaker 3: Think that I'd be, Like what I told you to 632 00:26:26,705 --> 00:26:28,545 Speaker 3: use lube in your hair? Well, I told the Ubis 633 00:26:28,585 --> 00:26:30,345 Speaker 3: to loose. You did use lube in their hair? 634 00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:30,825 Speaker 1: You did. 635 00:26:31,025 --> 00:26:34,785 Speaker 2: I think I've pretty much over shared everything. I've told 636 00:26:34,785 --> 00:26:36,945 Speaker 2: everyone to cleanse their ears, but that's a really important one. 637 00:26:36,945 --> 00:26:39,105 Speaker 2: When you were cleansing in the shower, cleanse inside your 638 00:26:39,145 --> 00:26:41,385 Speaker 2: ears and outside your ears. It's filthy, especially if you 639 00:26:41,465 --> 00:26:44,305 Speaker 2: use dry shampoo. And oh my god, is it revaulting? 640 00:26:44,505 --> 00:26:47,185 Speaker 2: Like cleanse your ears. That's one of my favorites. And 641 00:26:47,305 --> 00:26:51,025 Speaker 2: always like take your skin care up there too, Oh yeah, 642 00:26:51,065 --> 00:26:55,985 Speaker 2: absolutely saggy. Yeah, and like I get quite dry behind there, 643 00:26:55,985 --> 00:26:59,145 Speaker 2: so I'll do a sticker plaster or like a Biodermo's 644 00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:02,705 Speaker 2: got one too, sincibio, really nice. I've told you to 645 00:27:02,825 --> 00:27:05,425 Speaker 2: give your eyebrows a good exfoliant, like because I get 646 00:27:05,465 --> 00:27:08,265 Speaker 2: zericis in my eyebrows, so I sometimes give them a 647 00:27:08,305 --> 00:27:09,545 Speaker 2: big like spoolly scrub. 648 00:27:09,705 --> 00:27:11,905 Speaker 3: I've told you all the weird things I like that. 649 00:27:11,945 --> 00:27:16,585 Speaker 4: You don't gate keep anything stick on toynails. Oh question, 650 00:27:16,705 --> 00:27:20,425 Speaker 4: wasn't it. There's no gatekeeping. What do you think that 651 00:27:20,585 --> 00:27:22,985 Speaker 4: everyone should be doing in their beauty routine that they 652 00:27:23,105 --> 00:27:26,025 Speaker 4: might not be This is controversial and it's expensive. 653 00:27:26,065 --> 00:27:27,065 Speaker 3: So I apologize. 654 00:27:27,105 --> 00:27:29,545 Speaker 2: But the only reason I say it is because when 655 00:27:29,585 --> 00:27:32,665 Speaker 2: I stopped, I noticed a big difference ingestible collagen. 656 00:27:33,505 --> 00:27:34,305 Speaker 3: I was on it. 657 00:27:34,625 --> 00:27:35,585 Speaker 5: You've been on it. 658 00:27:35,505 --> 00:27:38,625 Speaker 1: For some never You've commitced me so many times. I've 659 00:27:38,625 --> 00:27:39,585 Speaker 1: still haven't done it. 660 00:27:39,585 --> 00:27:41,625 Speaker 2: It's fine, Look, I it depends on the brand, and 661 00:27:41,665 --> 00:27:44,305 Speaker 2: it also depends on the studies. So years ago I 662 00:27:44,385 --> 00:27:46,385 Speaker 2: was on it and then I just run out and forgot, 663 00:27:46,785 --> 00:27:49,105 Speaker 2: and everyone said it doesn't do anything, blah blah blah. 664 00:27:49,145 --> 00:27:51,185 Speaker 2: And now studies are coming out to say that it 665 00:27:51,265 --> 00:27:54,945 Speaker 2: really is great for also your internal health, so joints, 666 00:27:55,425 --> 00:27:58,425 Speaker 2: but also hair, skin and nails. And so I literally 667 00:27:58,425 --> 00:28:00,145 Speaker 2: have a sashet. Like when I wake up in the morning, 668 00:28:00,185 --> 00:28:01,585 Speaker 2: I go down, I put on my kettle for my 669 00:28:01,625 --> 00:28:03,905 Speaker 2: instant coffee, I have my medication, and then I get 670 00:28:03,905 --> 00:28:05,265 Speaker 2: my sashet and put it in my water bottle. I 671 00:28:05,265 --> 00:28:06,745 Speaker 2: felt my water bottle for the day, and off I go. 672 00:28:07,225 --> 00:28:07,945 Speaker 3: So it's like just. 673 00:28:07,945 --> 00:28:11,225 Speaker 2: Part of my routine. And I noticed a big difference. 674 00:28:11,265 --> 00:28:13,305 Speaker 2: I mostly notice when I run out. But that is 675 00:28:13,345 --> 00:28:16,305 Speaker 2: also why at forty three, my hair grows so fast. 676 00:28:16,345 --> 00:28:18,545 Speaker 3: I need to color my roots so much. 677 00:28:18,945 --> 00:28:21,185 Speaker 4: So you're like, I wish, you wish that they would 678 00:28:21,225 --> 00:28:23,585 Speaker 4: come up with one that didn't make your hair grow 679 00:28:23,665 --> 00:28:24,785 Speaker 4: but did everything correct. 680 00:28:24,865 --> 00:28:25,305 Speaker 3: And my nails. 681 00:28:25,345 --> 00:28:26,625 Speaker 2: I don't want my nails to go either, because I 682 00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:28,745 Speaker 2: don't actually, yeah, that's I just want glowy skin. And 683 00:28:28,785 --> 00:28:31,025 Speaker 2: also like the joint stuff, health stuff. I mean that's 684 00:28:31,025 --> 00:28:35,145 Speaker 2: an expensive one. I mean I just wish everyone I've 685 00:28:35,185 --> 00:28:37,305 Speaker 2: got another one. I wish that the police could find 686 00:28:37,345 --> 00:28:41,665 Speaker 2: people not wearing sunscreen, like I think sunscreen should be 687 00:28:41,745 --> 00:28:45,945 Speaker 2: the law. That sounds a bit like dictatory, But you know, 688 00:28:46,105 --> 00:28:48,025 Speaker 2: my father died of melanomo, so I'm allowed to feel 689 00:28:48,025 --> 00:28:50,225 Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, and it's the number one best skin 690 00:28:50,265 --> 00:28:53,625 Speaker 2: care product ever. You can buy La Parie lamire, you 691 00:28:53,625 --> 00:28:55,265 Speaker 2: can get needling, you can do everything you want. If 692 00:28:55,305 --> 00:28:57,825 Speaker 2: you're not wearing sunscreen, you have just thrown all that 693 00:28:57,905 --> 00:28:58,585 Speaker 2: money in. 694 00:28:58,825 --> 00:29:01,025 Speaker 4: And it's so funny. How many people not funny? But 695 00:29:01,065 --> 00:29:03,985 Speaker 4: it's wild how many people still don't like. 696 00:29:03,945 --> 00:29:05,705 Speaker 2: I think I was a late coming and I was 697 00:29:05,705 --> 00:29:07,385 Speaker 2: in the industry because I was like, oh, I just 698 00:29:07,665 --> 00:29:09,425 Speaker 2: like my glow and it makes me feel greasy, and 699 00:29:10,025 --> 00:29:10,505 Speaker 2: I broke out. 700 00:29:10,905 --> 00:29:12,545 Speaker 3: They've come a long way, Suns. 701 00:29:12,745 --> 00:29:15,545 Speaker 1: There will be one that you like, all right. 702 00:29:15,745 --> 00:29:18,745 Speaker 2: One last question, because you didn't really give me much 703 00:29:18,785 --> 00:29:22,145 Speaker 2: at the start, can you give us a little hint 704 00:29:22,705 --> 00:29:24,665 Speaker 2: of what's coming at Brillow? 705 00:29:26,425 --> 00:29:27,465 Speaker 1: I tried something? 706 00:29:27,585 --> 00:29:28,945 Speaker 3: Can I ring Teagan. 707 00:29:28,945 --> 00:29:30,025 Speaker 1: Over a year ago? 708 00:29:31,065 --> 00:29:33,505 Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, that's coming good? 709 00:29:33,945 --> 00:29:35,225 Speaker 1: Excellent? Because I really liked that. 710 00:29:35,425 --> 00:29:36,225 Speaker 3: I can't tell you. 711 00:29:36,465 --> 00:29:40,865 Speaker 2: Okay, So there's three new products coming. One is explicitly 712 00:29:40,865 --> 00:29:44,385 Speaker 2: for the area we've already been exploring, the body, oh, 713 00:29:44,425 --> 00:29:47,985 Speaker 2: the and the like the bush, and the other two 714 00:29:48,185 --> 00:29:53,105 Speaker 2: are for technically different categories. Ooh, I'm getting in so 715 00:29:53,185 --> 00:29:53,705 Speaker 2: much trouble. 716 00:29:53,745 --> 00:29:54,585 Speaker 3: Don't tell my boss. 717 00:29:54,785 --> 00:29:57,505 Speaker 2: No, No, you haven't given away too much, and so 718 00:29:57,625 --> 00:30:01,665 Speaker 2: when can we expect Okay, not the right question, anyone listening. 719 00:30:01,705 --> 00:30:04,665 Speaker 2: Do not start a small business. It's the most rewarding 720 00:30:05,265 --> 00:30:08,545 Speaker 2: and time consuming and terrifying and exciting thing to do. 721 00:30:09,385 --> 00:30:12,265 Speaker 2: But just change a middle name for delay and expensive. 722 00:30:12,505 --> 00:30:13,825 Speaker 1: I have too. 723 00:30:13,705 --> 00:30:16,825 Speaker 2: Many friends that own bridsinesses to ever consider starting line. 724 00:30:16,825 --> 00:30:18,305 Speaker 3: Why do you think I need the led in them? 725 00:30:18,825 --> 00:30:19,785 Speaker 3: I'm worrying all night. 726 00:30:20,265 --> 00:30:24,305 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, love Lily. It has been a delight as always. 727 00:30:24,465 --> 00:30:26,025 Speaker 2: Thanks for putting me on the spot. I feel like 728 00:30:26,025 --> 00:30:27,385 Speaker 2: I meant to come back to a few but I 729 00:30:27,385 --> 00:30:29,385 Speaker 2: think I got out of it. Oh I think, yeah, 730 00:30:29,225 --> 00:30:31,665 Speaker 2: we definitely did. We changed the subject a few times. 731 00:30:31,785 --> 00:30:33,185 Speaker 2: It has been a delight to church to yours always. 732 00:30:33,185 --> 00:30:35,825 Speaker 2: It's so fun to actually just get to ask you questions. 733 00:30:36,425 --> 00:30:37,185 Speaker 5: You should do this? 734 00:30:37,825 --> 00:30:38,945 Speaker 1: No, no, I'm behind the. 735 00:30:38,905 --> 00:30:41,825 Speaker 3: Mic in sure you know what I mean. 736 00:30:42,345 --> 00:30:46,065 Speaker 4: Anyway, Thank you so much for listening, watching however you've 737 00:30:46,625 --> 00:30:49,065 Speaker 4: consumed today's episode. 738 00:30:49,505 --> 00:30:51,265 Speaker 3: Thanks for making me come in extra day. 739 00:30:51,425 --> 00:30:52,305 Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. 740 00:30:53,145 --> 00:31:04,945 Speaker 5: Bye. 741 00:30:53,825 --> 00:30:53,945 Speaker 2: By