Speaker 1: This episode of CZA is brought to you by Matrix.
Speaker 1: These are the yays of our lives. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,
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Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 1: entrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found
Speaker 1: matcha Maiden and matcha Milkbar. CZA is a series of
Speaker 1: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the
Speaker 1: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't truly be yays of our lives if I didn't
Speaker 1: get our little ya maker and to jump on for
Speaker 1: an episode. I've been getting so many lovely messages about
Speaker 1: how these tangential Badter sessions have been helping you guys
Speaker 1: keep smiling during tough times. But honestly, it's more therapy
Speaker 1: for me that I just happen to have recorded, so
Speaker 1: the fact that anyone listens in and that you're enjoying
Speaker 1: it too is an absolute bonus. You may remember an
Speaker 1: from the very first ever episode of Cca, where she
Speaker 1: interviews me to kick off the show her own interview
Speaker 1: in episode thirty three, or all over my socials. I've
Speaker 1: had three messages just this week asking how my sister is,
Speaker 1: which she is not, but which you'd absolutely be forgiven for,
Speaker 1: assuming she's my mini me best friend and has squeezed
Speaker 1: more into life at twenty four than many do in
Speaker 1: a lifetime, having ridden eight hundred kilometers from Adelaide to
Speaker 1: Melbourne for charity for her twenty first birthday, started boxing
Speaker 1: for fun, only to win her first proper fight by
Speaker 1: TKO played in the vfl W for North Melbourne, started
Speaker 1: her own creative agency, founded and sold her very own
Speaker 1: food truck business, and now just happens casually to be
Speaker 1: a full time physio at Royal Melbourne Hospital. We swing
Speaker 1: from hysterically brain list to deeply philosophical in our chats,
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite things about our friendship
Speaker 1: and which definitely comes out in this episode Today apologies
Speaker 1: in advance for the part that simply don't make sense
Speaker 1: to anyone else but that we clearly find hilarious. Again,
Speaker 1: for this line, I had no notes at all, which
Speaker 1: I'm really loving so much. Between our regular schedule of
Speaker 1: interviews and hope you enjoy following our crazy brains all
Speaker 1: over the place. We had just found out Lockdown was
Speaker 1: extended in Victoria, so we're probably even more random than usual.
Speaker 1: But this was an amazing circuit breaker for my energy,
Speaker 1: and I hope it is for some of you too,
Speaker 1: and is such a ball of energy and always lifts
Speaker 1: my spirits, particularly at times like this when we need
Speaker 1: it most. So I hope you guys enjoy and sending
Speaker 1: everyone lots of love. Bin Blina, Welcome to Yay's of
Speaker 1: our lives. I usually use people's first names, but I
Speaker 1: can't call you, and it's so weird when whenever I
Speaker 1: say ange like introducing you to someone else, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no.
Speaker 2: It's very formal. I thought about the same thing. I
Speaker 2: was like, what do I call her on the podcast?
Speaker 2: Because I obviously bim, but Sarah sounds really formal, like
Speaker 2: I don't actually know you if I got you, Sarah
Speaker 2: sounds like acquaintances.
Speaker 1: And bim sounds like I'm saying bimp or something sounds
Speaker 1: like it has to be bim Berlina, AND's term of
Speaker 1: affection in varying degrees of If you've listened to her episode,
Speaker 1: you already know this, but in varying degrees of affection
Speaker 1: goes from Bimbo to Bimbi. No, Bimbo to bimb to
Speaker 1: Bimbi to Bimberlina. Yeah, and I think it's to Bimbi
Speaker 1: la la. That's a recent one.
Speaker 2: And it's really because obviously Bimbo has like negative connotations
Speaker 2: just generally, but I use it as a too endearment
Speaker 2: for all my friends and I have like a really
Speaker 2: really long time, and it's really hard with new friends
Speaker 2: because it's so part of my lexicon that I'm like
Speaker 2: Bimbo and like, new friends are this year been like sorry,
Speaker 2: oh no, and it's a good thing. And I'm like
Speaker 2: they're like, we really don't know how this could be
Speaker 2: a good thing. So it's a lot of explaining and
Speaker 2: a lot of like this is the hierarchy and its
Speaker 2: just like saying it back sounds so stupid, but yes,
Speaker 2: it is true. Given and I called many of my friends.
Speaker 1: I love it. How it's like when you get to
Speaker 1: Bimbalina h you get to Bimbi Lala, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've made it to the next level. Wow, it's like
Speaker 1: a real achievement. Yeah. And speaking of since your episode,
Speaker 1: which was not even last year, I think it was
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen. I don't even know time.
Speaker 2: At the moment, I was twelve, so and now thirteen.
Speaker 1: Now thirteen and a half and a half, don't forget
Speaker 1: how and was also on the very first ever episode
Speaker 1: of CZA and hosted my interview, which was just so
Speaker 1: special that you've been here since the very beginning when
Speaker 1: I was like, Bam, bim I've got this idea, and
Speaker 1: then you did your episode I think a year later,
Speaker 1: and now a year and a half later we're back.
Speaker 1: So before we get into the episode, give us a
Speaker 1: quick rundown. You mentioned that introducing yourself was Bimbo at
Speaker 1: the hospital. She doesn't just hang around hospitals just for funsies.
Speaker 1: Give us a quick update on your life since last
Speaker 1: time we checked in, which was just after Goodwill Hunting.
Speaker 2: I think now it was a while after that. I
Speaker 2: think it was probably I was still at UNI completing
Speaker 2: my surface of placement playing VFL at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what it was, So I just played VFL. I'd
Speaker 2: like to preface for the fact that I probably didn't
Speaker 2: play VFL. I just was roaming around the field and
Speaker 2: I think you could count my career as playing.
Speaker 1: That's such a lie. You were also an AFL diversity ambassador.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was last year. That was That was
Speaker 2: actually really exciting, But obviously it was pause because COVID,
Speaker 2: which was a shame because they just bought it back
Speaker 2: after a long hiatus. But yeah, in that time, I've
Speaker 2: now graduated from physio, joined to the world. Parents didn't
Speaker 2: think I'd make it here. I am today. I graduated last.
Speaker 1: Started from the bottom un here.
Speaker 2: Like in my Asian parents not proud. I graduated in
Speaker 2: December of last year and got a job in January
Speaker 2: of this year, and still pinching myself that I was
Speaker 2: able to insuch a type environment and it quite a
Speaker 2: cutthroat process, particularly in major hospitals and being in new
Speaker 2: grad physio, and obviously I had COVID on top of that,
Speaker 2: where there's not much movement and not much space for
Speaker 2: new staff. It's not in January at Royal Melbourne, which
Speaker 2: again I pinched myself because it is I think the
Speaker 2: best hospital there is and I have loved every second
Speaker 2: of it so far. Still doing all of the creative
Speaker 2: stuff very much as an agency now, so kind of
Speaker 2: hired my first like three people at the end of
Speaker 2: last year. That very business y and yeah, still doing
Speaker 2: a lot of that, Yeah, I think, I guess that's
Speaker 2: the main things, with a lot of epiphanies along the
Speaker 2: way of things that, Yeah, a lot of just cognitive
Speaker 2: disonance and what do I want to do and where
Speaker 2: I want to go about them? And I'm really happy
Speaker 2: with that where I am. So they're like the main
Speaker 2: main things. Not paying for anymore just because.
Speaker 1: I'm just just one e piphany or many.
Speaker 3: Pies, oh god.
Speaker 1: Also just a gentle reminder to everyone. And she is
Speaker 1: only twenty four years old and this is like her
Speaker 1: seventh career so far. So last time you will have
Speaker 1: heard that she had completed in that year an eight
Speaker 1: hundred kilometer ride for charity from Adelaide to Melbourne with
Speaker 1: Nick and I, which was just the most fun ever.
Speaker 1: Had obviously played in the VFL W had just become
Speaker 1: a champion boxer in the process, has a creative agency
Speaker 1: now but had just begun that and just is now
Speaker 1: a full time physio working in a hospital. It's absolutely
Speaker 1: extraordinary and you're on the twenty four. I don't even
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: I did forget sel Academy. I do have to plug
Speaker 2: Soel Academy because I think so Academy is awesome. So
Speaker 2: Academy is not. I wouldn't say part of the agency
Speaker 2: side of the social marketing the sell Academy. I work
Speaker 2: much more on the almost like product and growth side.
Speaker 2: And that's an eight tech company over the US that
Speaker 2: I love dearly, and I love bo who's creating it.
Speaker 2: So I'm very much doing a small part. But it's
Speaker 2: really exciting to be in an early stage startup over
Speaker 2: there as well. So I guess that's the other things also.
Speaker 1: And talking about the whole jigsaw puzzle of your path yay,
Speaker 1: and has one million, thousand, jillion pieces of the puzzle
Speaker 1: at any one time, So a really good example of
Speaker 1: the fact that you can find your passion in lots
Speaker 1: of different things. And we have epiphanies every single week
Speaker 1: about what we want to do and what missing pieces
Speaker 1: in our puzzle and how to get new stuff, and
Speaker 1: she's just the person in my life that really represents
Speaker 1: give things a red hot crack. You know, what does
Speaker 1: it matter if you don't do it for a career
Speaker 1: or you're not good at it. Just try everything and
Speaker 1: explore all side your personality because you never know what's
Speaker 1: going to stick. So it's been hard not to be
Speaker 1: able to do that together because we've had so much
Speaker 1: fun doing gymnastics and ceramics and what else have we
Speaker 1: done so much random stuff?
Speaker 2: We've done so many random things just yeah, we just
Speaker 2: sign up for it, like crazy trouble with things like
Speaker 2: let's just go to Tazzy or let's just do a
Speaker 2: half marathon, or let's just yeah, go do the writing gymnastics. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just random stuff.
Speaker 1: So the cutest thing happened the other day. I'm totally
Speaker 1: dropping Pip in the shit from the house of Well Now.
Speaker 1: She's my Channel seven producer. We were shooting the other
Speaker 1: day and she was like, I was telling her, you
Speaker 1: know where we've been, and we have the great privilege
Speaker 1: of being able to continue to film during lockdown because
Speaker 1: it's it's broadcasting and obviously with the skeleton crew, and
Speaker 1: with all safety procedures in place, but you're talking about
Speaker 1: not being able to travel, and that the how difficult
Speaker 1: restriction of movement is for people who really consolidate their
Speaker 1: thoughts and who they are by getting physically out of
Speaker 1: their environment. And we're talking about five acres Billa bilin
Speaker 1: which you guys will have seen. We've fallen in love
Speaker 1: with a new family who's become our extended family. Down there,
Speaker 1: Kadian rom Lamorrow and she was like, oh, yes, I
Speaker 1: saw that place. That's amazing. You and your sister were
Speaker 1: down there. I was like, yep, yeah, yeah, and foot
Speaker 1: the foot my sister, sure, my child, my sister, my mom,
Speaker 1: like all the different relationships.
Speaker 2: Every time someone said that would be like three dollars.
Speaker 1: Rich, we'd have like a full piggybang by now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should into it from the start and seeing
Speaker 2: how long we could hold that.
Speaker 1: Well, we haven't even been playing into it and we're
Speaker 1: still holding it. It's like years later and it still
Speaker 1: happens all the time. Okay, So to the actual point
Speaker 1: nine minutes later, what is your quote of the for this.
Speaker 2: I said, this year, I've put in a kind of
Speaker 2: emotional state at the minute I'm quite philosophical and quite
Speaker 2: pensive and a little bit like mercury retrograde solar eclipse
Speaker 2: some coming together.
Speaker 1: So the film, okay, quickly for context, everybody and and
Speaker 1: I are both quite similar in that where hysterically bimbos
Speaker 1: all the time, but then we go into really hectic, intellectual,
Speaker 1: serious philosophical conversations about the English language and like the
Speaker 1: etymology of different things. But then we're also not super
Speaker 1: woo woo. But when we go woo woo, it's really hardcore.
Speaker 1: So the other day she's like, hey, bim bem, You've
Speaker 1: got to download this astrology app. So she couldn't match
Speaker 1: our compatibility. You've been so philosophical lately, I.
Speaker 2: Have because I don't know. I think Lockdown five really
Speaker 2: hit me and probably a lot of people harder than
Speaker 2: the others. I really don't know why. I think it's
Speaker 2: perhaps that we were had a sense of freedom, I guess,
Speaker 2: and a long stint of it. It felt like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're just taking off masks in the office, and I
Speaker 2: thought that was a really big deal because obviously working
Speaker 2: in the hospital, we working a lot in a multi
Speaker 2: distant routeteae and it's really hard sometimes to not be
Speaker 2: able to see the people that you work with, as
Speaker 2: in see what they look like and their smiles and
Speaker 2: things like that. And I think Lockdown five definitely got
Speaker 2: to me in terms of becoming not like overly down,
Speaker 2: but just really reflective of where we are at the minute.
Speaker 2: And then it became obviously very just emotional and philosophical.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so there's two can I do too? Is
Speaker 2: that allowed?
Speaker 1: Absolutely the more the merrier. And I also love how
Speaker 1: one is like a beautiful quote we need the Pooh,
Speaker 1: absolutely love. The other is like an essay. I am
Speaker 1: I going to fit that into the title of the episode.
Speaker 2: The first one is don't be afraid of death, Winnie,
Speaker 2: be afraid of the unlived life. And I'm assuming that's it.
Speaker 2: We need a food quote. But I this weird non
Speaker 2: fear of death, and it's not in a morbid way,
Speaker 2: but it's more so that I think it's inevitable that
Speaker 2: obviously time is limited for all of us. But the
Speaker 2: fear or sadness is when you don't live the life
Speaker 2: to the fullest, Like the things that you can control
Speaker 2: are e your life, and then that's the things you
Speaker 2: can't conjoy. I e one day it's not going to
Speaker 2: be a present anymore. To not live the fullest, I guess,
Speaker 2: scares me, Like I just want to be able to
Speaker 2: make the most sad of life and the people around
Speaker 2: me and moments and laughter and joy and sadness even
Speaker 2: and anger and all of the feelings that you could
Speaker 2: possibly feel, because that is living. Yet it makes me
Speaker 2: really sad to think that some people aren't living their
Speaker 2: life to the fullest because one day we probably we're
Speaker 2: not going to have it anymore. So yeah, so don't
Speaker 2: be afraid of death, whinny, be afraid of the unlived life.
Speaker 1: I think that's such a beautiful one. It's very seasy,
Speaker 1: a the idea of don't just beyond that autopilot mode
Speaker 1: with that momentum and relentless forward motion. You can end
Speaker 1: up like decades and decades down a path that you
Speaker 1: didn't really ever choose, not having ever really experienced what
Speaker 1: else is out there for you. So I love that one,
Speaker 1: and I think it's true, Like it's a fine line
Speaker 1: on a show that's about joy where the role of
Speaker 1: things like mortality and sadness and challenge and trauma fit.
Speaker 1: But I think any theory of joy and happiness has
Speaker 1: to acknowledge them somehow and find a way to use
Speaker 1: those concepts to remind you even more so of the
Speaker 1: importance of the role of joy and that you know.
Speaker 1: That's why I think your philosophy of red hot crack
Speaker 1: is so important, because it's like, what's the quot I
Speaker 1: think it's Einstein, Maybe it was Einstein You only live once,
Speaker 1: but if you live well, once is enough. I think
Speaker 1: that's really lovely.
Speaker 2: You know me well enough to know that I always
Speaker 2: have always by that mote. And the thing they always
Speaker 2: say is if you died tomorrow, would you be content
Speaker 2: with a life you live today? And that's pretty much
Speaker 2: I live mine, and that that whole like no regrets
Speaker 2: kind of living and seizing any opportunity that you want
Speaker 2: and you feel like in erge to do to just
Speaker 2: do it because there's no harm ever in trying. It
Speaker 2: just makes you more of a fulfilled person when you
Speaker 2: get to it. I think something that we learned in
Speaker 2: year twelve in like this is eight just go in
Speaker 2: health and human development. I think I remember it and
Speaker 2: it stuck with me for a really long time, is
Speaker 2: that when older people get old, they become just depressed
Speaker 2: by the situation that they're in because their partners die
Speaker 2: and there's that sense of loneliness that reflect on their life,
Speaker 2: and the reflection is off how content and fulfilled they
Speaker 2: feel their lives were and are. And if you're not
Speaker 2: really fulfilled, then it's really hard to change that. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, I wish I went for
Speaker 2: that job when I was twenty five. You can't really
Speaker 2: do that when you're eighty five. So to be able
Speaker 2: to do it while you've been in there and kind
Speaker 2: of pre in the future of being reflective, then hopefully
Speaker 2: by that point you are really content with your life
Speaker 2: and you're really happy with the decisions that you made,
Speaker 2: and you live this like no regrets kind of life,
Speaker 2: even though not everything has to go to plan, Like
Speaker 2: sometimes you fail at things, but that doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: at all. It's about you me to crack and then
Speaker 2: that is still fulfillment. Even if it's not a success,
Speaker 2: it's still fulfilling. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I think you've probably heard me talk about
Speaker 1: how my decision making has changed from like, obviously, making
Speaker 1: decisions in the now and being really spontaneous is really important.
Speaker 1: But I also why I agonize so much at the
Speaker 1: point of making decisions about things is because I'm doing
Speaker 1: future regret management. I'm always thinking what will future me
Speaker 1: regret and what can I do to avoid that feeling.
Speaker 1: So you're right, like, even if it doesn't turn out well,
Speaker 1: I always look back and think, but I still wouldn't
Speaker 1: have made a different decision. Therefore, I'm okay with the
Speaker 1: fact that it didn't go well because I don't regret
Speaker 1: that I didn't try. And you know that other it's corny,
Speaker 1: but that other quote of like I'd rather a life
Speaker 1: in oh wells rather than what ifs, It's so true.
Speaker 1: At least oh well is oh well, it didn't work,
Speaker 1: But I never die wondering. It's that wondering of like
Speaker 1: what could have been that I think people end up
Speaker 1: so disappointed in. Yeah, just don't let yourself feel that
Speaker 1: by just trying.
Speaker 2: And I guess it's it's somewhat privileged thing to say
Speaker 2: right now in this environment where people are quite restricted
Speaker 2: and you can't really go and chase your dreams. But
Speaker 2: it just even day to day decisions that you make,
Speaker 2: you know, do I go hang out with my friends
Speaker 2: or do I not? All those things can still bring
Speaker 2: fulfillment in smaller ways. It doesn't have to be a
Speaker 2: really grand goal or anything like that. So I know,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a big live your life to the fullest,
Speaker 2: half half cut, half full kind of person.
Speaker 1: Cut liquid stuff in their thing person. Plus plus, we
Speaker 1: have like our own little language that is not very
Speaker 1: discernible from the outside. It's like, how are we going
Speaker 1: to people today? But do you think that because of this?
Speaker 1: I personally think that even though I'm already I have
Speaker 1: quite an appetite for trying new things, this restriction of
Speaker 1: movement has meant that the periods in between, I'm even
Speaker 1: more like I have to use these moments because you
Speaker 1: never know when you won't have them again. I've become
Speaker 1: almost reckless in my desire to just make the most
Speaker 1: of everything. Like I've just found it really invigorating, even
Speaker 1: though you wouldn't wish it, You wouldn't wish the realization
Speaker 1: to have to happen that way. But sometimes you realize
Speaker 1: how much you did take your freedom before for granted
Speaker 1: and just expected you'd always be able to do things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Luce Sarah. You reckless?
Speaker 1: You what's your second quote? Bimb you had another really
Speaker 1: long yeah.
Speaker 2: My second quote is a longer one, but it's more
Speaker 2: about the idea of it and the concept behind it.
Speaker 2: And as I think I articulated, it is a really
Speaker 2: nice story culling Way. I saw it on Instagram today,
Speaker 2: so it's I mean numbers to this day is my
Speaker 2: second grade best friend's birthday. There are people that don't
Speaker 2: talk to anymore, whose families are still in my prayers.
Speaker 2: There are shirts that wear to bed from ex's of
Speaker 2: eight years ago who are married now with kids. And
Speaker 2: I haven't found a macaroni recipe better than my college
Speaker 2: boyfriend's mums. Our lives are made up of so many people,
Speaker 2: and when people become part of our lives, some parts
Speaker 2: remain long after they leave. And in the same exact way,
Speaker 2: it's company to know that there are so many lives
Speaker 2: who still a part of that you have no idea about.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's such a beautiful Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love this one a lot. And when I say
Speaker 2: at the start, I've become a bit more emotional, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's so much emotional, but it's reflective and
Speaker 2: immensely grateful in this time and particularly around my people.
Speaker 2: I am a big believer that everyone that comes into
Speaker 2: your life shapes you to who you are. I just
Speaker 2: wonder how long they are there for. We will talking
Speaker 2: about this in phirth Violand and I was quite profound
Speaker 2: about it only because I was really grateful that there's
Speaker 2: people that you meet and it could be when you
Speaker 2: were two to yesterday and they I have just been
Speaker 2: a fleeting person in your life that kind of just
Speaker 2: walks past, but they leave a big enough impact to
Speaker 2: help you make decisions in future as show you who
Speaker 2: you are. And I don't think people have to be
Speaker 2: in your life forever to being your story forever. So
Speaker 2: that one I really loved and so yeah, I think
Speaker 2: this last period, in this last few weeks, I've been
Speaker 2: even more grateful for the people around me and the
Speaker 2: people that I have met previously will and I have
Speaker 2: this burning urge to have to let them know as well.
Speaker 2: So I think it's I've just in the last few weeks,
Speaker 2: I've just been very forward and out with all my
Speaker 2: friends and the people that I love and making sure
Speaker 2: then that they're appreciated or loved. Yeah, and really.
Speaker 1: Profoundly, yes, I love that, Bim. I think it's so
Speaker 1: interesting how the way that conversations have unraveled on this podcast,
Speaker 1: certain themes seem to come up at the time that
Speaker 1: everyone needs to hear them or needs to be reminded
Speaker 1: of them. And this week's episode, literally that came out
Speaker 1: two days ago, and that was recorded like three days
Speaker 1: ago with Sophie Kaisha. She said exactly the same thing.
Speaker 1: Was literally talking about the exact concept of people being
Speaker 1: part of your story, but they don't have to stay
Speaker 1: in your life to always be part of your story.
Speaker 1: And she was talking in the context of relationships, how
Speaker 1: she's just released her first book and so much of
Speaker 1: it is about the people that were only there for
Speaker 1: a chapter, but that have stayed with her forever. And
Speaker 1: it's so weird that like two days later we're talking
Speaker 1: about the exact same thing. That's crazy, Like.
Speaker 2: When I feel things seply, I feel things pretty deeply,
Speaker 2: and I think this is something that I've just overwhelmingly
Speaker 2: felt just every day. It's kind of like I think,
Speaker 2: you know, people say, create a gratitude journal and write
Speaker 2: five things and grateful for I genuinely can't do that
Speaker 2: because I can't just write a sentence of like it'd
Speaker 2: be the same thing every day it'd be like yow
Speaker 2: Stanley food water job, whereas being.
Speaker 1: Greatful morning pood.
Speaker 2: Three of them actually be more specific.
Speaker 1: We've made it a really long way in without you
Speaker 1: mentioning Pooh once. I'm so proud, you know.
Speaker 2: I was holding were dongue a lot for you. I
Speaker 2: was like, I'll be a professional.
Speaker 1: She's grown up, because she's grown up in last episode.
Speaker 2: But no, I think gratitude for me has gotten me
Speaker 2: through the lockdown blues and a Really it sounds really
Speaker 2: cliche because everyone's like, oh, be grateful for the things
Speaker 2: that you have, and I think Lockdown five, I was like,
Speaker 2: I I'm kind of sick of them be grateful for
Speaker 2: everything that you have now, because I've tried to do
Speaker 2: that for the last four lockdowns and it kind of
Speaker 2: just becomes really dry, and you're like, Okay, then I'm
Speaker 2: already grateful, and then I have to be proactively grateful
Speaker 2: because that's how you get through these things and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But this one, being grateful for people is
Speaker 2: really different because it's be grateful for people in different ways,
Speaker 2: and therefore the gratitude is felt and expressed differently, and
Speaker 2: so it just feels novel and different. Rather than just
Speaker 2: being grateful for your job, of your house, your water,
Speaker 2: you know, mum, dad and things like that. It's like,
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for Sarah because she has been a mentor
Speaker 2: for me and assisted to me and protective figure and
Speaker 2: I'm supportive one for all these years. So I'm grateful
Speaker 2: for Meck because he's shown me how to give generously
Speaker 2: and genuinely without anything. You Woulturn, And I'm grateful for
Speaker 2: you know, the patient that I had yesterday who showed
Speaker 2: me what it's like to be resilient in a really
Speaker 2: tough time in their life. So you get to kind
Speaker 2: of be grateful, but it feels refreshed, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: In this lockdown, I think that's such a good point too.
Speaker 1: You really represent to me what I think so many
Speaker 1: people have gone through that we are all being a
Speaker 1: little bit more pensive and reflective and analyzing and cleaning
Speaker 1: the slate in our life, which is amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful that that's an exercise people are allowing
Speaker 1: themselves to do for the first time in so long
Speaker 1: but five and now six plus plus extended lockdowns in
Speaker 1: You're right, the messages that you've been saying for five
Speaker 1: six times now, if I'm grateful every day, you can't
Speaker 1: feel grateful every day. It's kind of shit, Like there
Speaker 1: are days where it becomes dry, yeah, where that feels
Speaker 1: artificial to say even of course you're grateful, but like
Speaker 1: you can't feel that every day in a way that
Speaker 1: removes the disappointment or the loss of hope or expectation
Speaker 1: or joy or whatever it is. But I think finding
Speaker 1: new ways to express it is so clever. And you've
Speaker 1: been doing a beautiful little project that I love. If
Speaker 1: maybe you want to share it, you don't have to,
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, people are probably looking for ideas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So I've always been a people person, and
Speaker 2: I've always been as someone that struggles to show gratitude,
Speaker 2: not because I can't shop, because I just don't know
Speaker 2: how to show enough, particular to people when they have
Speaker 2: made an impact in my life. I want to show
Speaker 2: how much they have, and so I try to be grateful.
Speaker 2: And I'm a serialf givar and I'm serial like acts
Speaker 2: of service and words of affirmations kind of person, and
Speaker 2: I never ever feel like it's ever enough. So I
Speaker 2: started this book a Dari and I've been drenaling a lot.
Speaker 2: That's been something that's helped in lockdown a lot of
Speaker 2: journally And this one is very thimed, and it's about
Speaker 2: the people that have shaped me to who I am today.
Speaker 2: I'm just reading to here. I'm just going to read about.
Speaker 2: This is the this is the title. This is this
Speaker 2: book is dedicated to the people I've met, the people
Speaker 2: I love, and the people who have shaped me to
Speaker 2: who I am and will become. And it's essentially just
Speaker 2: on the day, whoever I feel grateful for whoever I've
Speaker 2: met that's made it left an impact that, like I
Speaker 2: genuinely feel has I just write about and I write
Speaker 2: quite truthfully and raw, in a raw way and in
Speaker 2: a way that I would want them to hear this also,
Speaker 2: and I would happily share this with them when the
Speaker 2: day comes or when I feel like they need a
Speaker 2: little bit of love or whatever it is. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to read the first page. I think that
Speaker 2: is probably the best way to express what it's about. Also,
Speaker 2: I just want to just put a disclaimer. I had
Speaker 2: a procedure this morning. I had to be sedated.
Speaker 1: High.
Speaker 2: So if I'm really philosophical, I feel like this is
Speaker 2: what it would be if I were ever on drugs.
Speaker 1: So this is why we recorded now because we have
Speaker 1: just heard literally half an hour ago that our lockdown
Speaker 1: is being extended and is high. This is a great
Speaker 1: time to create some joy for everyone for next Monday.
Speaker 2: If I have is this is if every Okay, this
Speaker 2: is what I wrote. This is my first entry. I
Speaker 2: appreciate that I'm twenty four and a half almost to
Speaker 2: worry back to my half birthday and not like anyone's
Speaker 2: scouting exclamation mark. And I've met hundreds of people that
Speaker 2: have had a lasting impact on me and who have
Speaker 2: become I don't believe that the people that help shape
Speaker 2: you necessarily have to be in your life for a
Speaker 2: lack of time, but I do believe they're remaining a
Speaker 2: story forever. They may have had an impact at the time,
Speaker 2: and you may have changed as a person since, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't discount their part in your never ending and
Speaker 2: continually evolving story. I've been incredibly luking to have met
Speaker 2: some of the most amazing humans in my life who
Speaker 2: have also taught me significant lessons by just being them,
Speaker 2: who have changed my outlook in life and betted me
Speaker 2: without realizing naked. This is to be a tribute to
Speaker 2: all the people that I've met and continue to meet.
Speaker 2: There's no order other than the order of when I'm
Speaker 2: feeling grateful for them. They will be double ups, but
Speaker 2: that will be determined on who on that day I
Speaker 2: feel most grateful for. So here's the people I love
Speaker 2: and will be forever.
Speaker 1: You can get it to But it's so beautiful. But
Speaker 1: also it is in a particular order because I'm first first,
Speaker 1: and just like yeah, but I also wrote it's in
Speaker 1: no particular order, and like, well obviously just saying but yes,
Speaker 1: but you know, like, something I really believe is that
Speaker 1: the quickest way to make your own day if you're
Speaker 1: having a shit day is try really really hard to
Speaker 1: make someone else's. And like the response you get from
Speaker 1: just giving someone a compliment or writing a little love
Speaker 1: letter to the people who you appreciate, but it's unsolicited.
Speaker 1: It's not because it's their birthday, or it's not because
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's no reason that makes you feel
Speaker 1: better as much as it makes them feel better. So
Speaker 1: it's the easiest thing you can do when you're sitting
Speaker 1: in your room in lockdown with nothing else to do, right, loveless.
Speaker 2: Yes, it genuinely is like a big serotonin.
Speaker 1: That's the joke, right, I don't know you're the expert.
Speaker 2: Big mushroom dumbe.
Speaker 1: I just know in a mushroom inside a big fluffy mushroom.
Speaker 2: No, I think it genuinely does it? You know, like
Speaker 2: running gives you en dolphins and all those like things
Speaker 2: that just automatically happen. It just brings you actually a
Speaker 2: really good, feel good moment when you're able to express
Speaker 2: your gratitude to someone else. And I think we should
Speaker 2: probably start to remove the stigma or the weirdness around
Speaker 2: telling your friends they love you and like just genuinely
Speaker 2: being like how are you and wanting an elaborate response
Speaker 2: rather just are good, how are you? Kind of thing?
Speaker 2: You know, I've sent you these long ass love letters
Speaker 2: best friend and please me my best friend forever, my
Speaker 2: breast friend forever.
Speaker 1: We're breast friends forever. Where breast friends forever come from?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Lack of.
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Speaker 1: notes you are welcome. And I think the other thing.
Speaker 1: I think we're both really lighthearted and positivity panda. We
Speaker 1: get really heavy and deep philosophical. Sometimes we just look
Speaker 1: at the stars for hours and hours and talk about
Speaker 1: the meaning of life. But we also get triggered by
Speaker 1: really emotional things like so triggered by beautiful stories and
Speaker 1: feel good moments. And the other thing you can do
Speaker 1: as a recommendation is to go and find beautiful stories
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, which is obviously why Yighborhood Watches something
Speaker 1: that I committed to to share good stories with you guys,
Speaker 1: to compete with such negative news that's out there, but
Speaker 1: also because it makes my day to go and find
Speaker 1: beautiful things that are happening, even on a really really
Speaker 1: small scale, and just make them well known. So, is
Speaker 1: there anything you've seen over the past couple of weeks
Speaker 1: that's really made you smile or like ant calls at
Speaker 1: heart poke, which is so now. I don't know that
Speaker 1: there's another I can't think of any other words that
Speaker 1: describe it. But when something just pokes your heart because
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful heart.
Speaker 2: I live with my two grandmas, well Benoy and her sister,
Speaker 2: like Judy's been stuck you for a while. So they
Speaker 2: just provide immense amounts of joy because they're just so
Speaker 2: funny and random. But there's definitely a patient that I
Speaker 2: had earlier this year that I always reflect on because
Speaker 2: they were just honestly, you would froth them. They were
Speaker 2: the best patient ever. They were like ninety two or
Speaker 2: something and they just come on and I was doing
Speaker 2: home visits. But this patient had skydived at eighty five,
Speaker 2: their grandson, and they were like, I just I just
Speaker 2: want to live to one hundred. And they did this
Speaker 2: thing with their hands that was so like old personally
Speaker 2: and be like, you know, can you just show me
Speaker 2: how you get out of bed? And they'd stand up
Speaker 2: and they'd go, I was like, I just got do
Speaker 2: just you know. Their goal was to live to one hundred,
Speaker 2: and they were just that was their go I just
Speaker 2: want to live for a hundred. And I wook every
Speaker 2: day and I over this ramp, you know, I skyped
Speaker 2: over when I was eighty five, and I walked the
Speaker 2: kakoda and I ran a marathon and oh my, it
Speaker 2: was just this person just full of life and just
Speaker 2: so happy and yeah, it was just such a go getter.
Speaker 2: And to be at that age, I was like, I
Speaker 2: want to be you at that age. You know. Imagine
Speaker 2: an eighty five year jumping out of an aeroplane with
Speaker 2: his grandsons, just like just really full of life and
Speaker 2: this bubbly guy, and yeah, it's going to be you. Often.
Speaker 1: You're going to bet at like a ninety nine year
Speaker 1: old who's like at a freaking no light snow like
Speaker 1: or a disco party in a morph suit.
Speaker 2: Lot.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: One thing I love about you, though, and that's been
Speaker 1: since we met, is that you are so indiscriminate about age,
Speaker 1: which is not common. There is a lot of subtle agism,
Speaker 1: even in the fact that the beauty industry and the
Speaker 1: cosmetic beauty industry, and like even health and wellness is
Speaker 1: subtlely based on avoiding aging. I feel like there's such
Speaker 1: a negative connotation in where society at least about age.
Speaker 1: And I know that you love Diana's episode because she,
Speaker 1: for me was the turning point moment of not worrying
Speaker 1: about age. Like age is relative. You can see a
Speaker 1: sixty year old and another sixty year old who look
Speaker 1: like they're three decades apart, because their mindset is one
Speaker 1: is age is negative, and one is just embracing it
Speaker 1: as experience. And she swam from Cuba to Florida at
Speaker 1: the age of sixty five and just continues. She's seventy
Speaker 1: two now and still is one of the youngest minded
Speaker 1: people that I know. And it's so interesting. It's such
Speaker 1: a good example to hear from people who don't treat
Speaker 1: age as a negative thing because it makes you excited
Speaker 1: about getting older and getting more experienced. Idea about I
Speaker 1: think it's such a mindset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's almost like a social construct, to
Speaker 2: be honest. I think it sad. This to someone the
Speaker 2: other day who was a bit like, oh, you don't
Speaker 2: count birthdays after your third And I was like, why no,
Speaker 2: it's awesome, Like I think there's a quote on your books.
Speaker 1: It's because I have no memory, That's why you know
Speaker 1: what old I am. I didn't google it, remember it?
Speaker 1: Feel about that. I was like, Genet, how one, two, three?
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. It's not because I'm negative. I
Speaker 1: think age is negative because I'm just silly, just like.
Speaker 2: It genuinely does not bother me. I don't think it
Speaker 2: defines anyone at all. I think it's I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: you how old any of my friends were, or it's
Speaker 2: just pure connection. And I feel like if you're restrict
Speaker 2: to you connect to and who you want to be
Speaker 2: friends with, it's just because of an age, or it's
Speaker 2: quite a judgmental thing. It's a bit like racing things.
Speaker 2: But people don't obviously think about it. I would absolutely
Speaker 2: if I had a best friend who was sixty five
Speaker 2: like yourself, I wouldn't care a lot of friends who
Speaker 2: are a lot older. But I genuinely don't think about
Speaker 2: that ever in my life until it's put down as
Speaker 2: a number. But even then it doesn't change any anything
Speaker 2: for me. I just feel like if you just connect
Speaker 2: with someone, you connect with someone regardless, it doesn't really matter. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also, people in different stages of the life can
Speaker 2: teach you so many things. I feel that's what makes
Speaker 2: me much more open minded is that I can have
Speaker 2: friends that are older and then my age, and then
Speaker 2: we have cousins who are younger and see the Huld
Speaker 2: spectrum and how life genes and enrolls and looks different
Speaker 2: in each time. And obviously being on the board, I'm
Speaker 2: doing a lot with a lot of GEM patients at
Speaker 2: the minute who are six or five and above, like
Speaker 2: ninety to ninety nine, one hundred, and you just see
Speaker 2: them and you're like, you're amazing.
Speaker 1: You're here and you're pushing through and it's amazing. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Vim.
Speaker 1: I found a couple of things that so we are
Speaker 1: also hectically into the Olympics. Like we've all just had
Speaker 1: this group message threat about the most beautiful things that
Speaker 1: have come out of the Olympics, and I think, not
Speaker 1: only is it because you were Necker obsessed with sport
Speaker 1: and I get triggered by humanity. I think it's mainly
Speaker 1: because of the human stories that come out of it
Speaker 1: more than anything. And there's been so many beautiful things
Speaker 1: that came out of the Olympics. Even if it wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily the Olympics everyone had hoped for, I still think
Speaker 1: it brought so much joy. And I've shared a couple
Speaker 1: from the last Years of Our Lives episode, but another
Speaker 1: one that came out since then was the decathlon where
Speaker 1: two If you guys haven't heard of it, it's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful story. So Cedric Doubler was running alongside another Australian,
Speaker 1: Ash Maloney, and Ash was running a lot further ahead.
Speaker 1: He had a better chance at meddling in the race,
Speaker 1: and Cedric sacrificed his race to help Maloney, who was
Speaker 1: starting to flag, get across and win a bronze. And
Speaker 1: it is just like, go and read the article's watch
Speaker 1: the videos. It's just one of the most beautiful. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I always say that quote about success doesn't
Speaker 1: have when you share it at doubles, and like, competition
Speaker 1: is important. Obviously in the Olympics, you'll literally it's the
Speaker 1: definition of a competition. But to see someone who's spent
Speaker 1: his whole life trying to get there and acknowledge that
Speaker 1: his race was maybe over, but his teammate could get
Speaker 1: there with a little bit of support, like Ash kept
Speaker 1: saying that Cedric would come over and all he could
Speaker 1: hear was him screaming in his face, I can't going
Speaker 1: And I was like, what are you doing here? Man, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's me. It was just such a beautiful story. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a really nice one.
Speaker 2: No, I loved that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also found a random see this is what makes
Speaker 1: me happy about this section. It makes me go and
Speaker 1: look for nice stories. There's a removalist company in Melbourne
Speaker 1: that's helping LGBTQIA plus Melbournians move house safely without any
Speaker 1: discrimination and like in a really safe environment, called Queer Move.
Speaker 1: I think that is so lovely. I hadn't heard of it,
Speaker 1: but I can imagine that there would be instances where
Speaker 1: couples feel really persecuted or uncomfortable to let people into
Speaker 1: their house, and moving house is such an intimate thing
Speaker 1: to do, and there is I mean, as much as
Speaker 1: society is evolving a lot, there are pockets of society
Speaker 1: where there is still so much discrimination because of gender,
Speaker 1: everything really race, as you mentioned before, gender, sexual preference,
Speaker 1: all kinds of identifications. So I thought this was really
Speaker 1: beautiful that queer Move was a service that's come to
Speaker 1: life because of con That's so cool.
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm so such a like equity advocate.
Speaker 2: I love that a lot.
Speaker 1: You know those things that you're just saying, I love
Speaker 1: that someone did that. It's because people were having bad experiences.
Speaker 1: So someone just was like, enough of this, We're going
Speaker 1: to make queer move and we're going to move people. Okay,
Speaker 1: give you a hand up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hand up?
Speaker 1: Do you legitimately have your hand up right now? I
Speaker 1: love how I talk so much you have to put
Speaker 1: your hand.
Speaker 2: Interrupt But I thought of a really good one, but
Speaker 2: all go. Yeah. So my friend messaged me this article
Speaker 2: the other day in the Guardian for this invention that
Speaker 2: Japanese people have made.
Speaker 1: No, but I love Japanese inventions for things that we
Speaker 1: all want. We all love that, but we all want them.
Speaker 2: This is amazing. You're so for people that I am
Speaker 2: giving birth and want their friends to meet their baby.
Speaker 2: Obviously kind of lock down. This company have set up
Speaker 2: a give business where you you send them a sack
Speaker 2: of rice in the weight that the baby is, with
Speaker 2: a picture of it.
Speaker 1: I love Japan so much. There's an amazing, amazing BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: article of all the inventions that have come out of
Speaker 1: Japan that we all think are hysterically silly, but then
Speaker 1: all want them because they're amazing.
Speaker 2: Like the one with the toilet paper on your head,
Speaker 2: that's my favorite one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or the noodle splash to like the face mask
Speaker 1: thing that protects your hair from noodle splash. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: stop is that a bow? For a girl. One, it's
Speaker 1: a girl bag of rice.
Speaker 2: That's what's a girl. But they put the baby's face
Speaker 2: on it and it's the same weight. That's what the
Speaker 2: baby is.
Speaker 1: It's so clever, hilarious as.
Speaker 2: The cutest thing ever. I can imagine. It's any around
Speaker 2: bags of rice when you just give.
Speaker 1: And then they can eat the rice after. That's so,
Speaker 1: why is it?
Speaker 2: I was like, exactly, I would love that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, I think I would.
Speaker 2: I probably liked to meet the child, but also free
Speaker 2: bag of rice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd prefer I'd prefer the child, but then you
Speaker 1: also can eat the rice, so that's great.
Speaker 2: Quickly though, what's your quote?
Speaker 1: Oh no, you choose the quote, but what is your
Speaker 1: I don't pick a quote. Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 2: You don't get to pick a quote, but you don't
Speaker 2: like it's it's nice for people to also know where
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think probably every day may not be good,
Speaker 1: but there's something good in every day. I think we've
Speaker 1: been in a eighteen to twenty four month period now
Speaker 1: where big chunks of it have not really been how
Speaker 1: he had hoped and are full of disappointment and loss
Speaker 1: of expectation and from big things like weddings and funerals,
Speaker 1: to smaller things like birthdays or just milestones. And having
Speaker 1: just spent most of my last five years really drilling
Speaker 1: the importance of celebrating things and smelling the roses, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I just got to making time for
Speaker 1: that in my life, and then suddenly the ability to
Speaker 1: do it was suddenly gone, unexpectedly. It's been really hard
Speaker 1: to cultivate alternatives to that, ways to celebrate, or to
Speaker 1: celebrate in a way that keeps you motivated to keep
Speaker 1: doing what you do. It's Nick's birthday on Friday, and
Speaker 1: we'd had a really cute weekend planned, and it's really
Speaker 1: hard to sort of figure out how to acknowledge things
Speaker 1: like that and create little moments of joy, particularly when
Speaker 1: you work together and live together. But I think that
Speaker 1: quote helps me be okay that, even as a positivity panda,
Speaker 1: not every day feels good. In fact, a lot of
Speaker 1: days have felt really hard, anxieties at an all time high,
Speaker 1: but also fatigue, Like I'm genuinely sometimes not sure if
Speaker 1: I'm tired because I'm anxious, if I'm tired because I've
Speaker 1: overdone it, if I'm tired because I've had chronic fatigue
Speaker 1: in the past, and it's just a relapse, or if
Speaker 1: it's just because there's so much going on in the
Speaker 1: brain all the time. Yeah, But I think if you
Speaker 1: commit to at least finding one good thing and every day,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you have to feel grateful for everything,
Speaker 1: like roof over my head, you know, moving limbs, like
Speaker 1: that's really important. Of course I'm grateful for those things,
Speaker 1: but to consciously find a new thing that is good
Speaker 1: about that day, even like this conversation or a joke
Speaker 1: that makes you laugh, you know, those small things. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how I could explain that to people
Speaker 1: in a way that they'd understand. I'm sorry like that, Okay.
Speaker 1: So we both study Japanese at school, and I know
Speaker 1: I'm even looking at the title of what I made,
Speaker 1: what I named it Austin.
Speaker 2: We just love the Japanese language and we love katakana
Speaker 2: and turn these like Western words into Japanese with the
Speaker 2: cut kind of is like ice cream.
Speaker 1: Is I sukurim rou and Australia is also, And we
Speaker 1: got into this weird fit of adding fudu to everything
Speaker 1: because it's.
Speaker 2: A kind of funny like sound of it. So Anyway,
Speaker 2: we digress, but I did want to say that your
Speaker 2: whole thing of finding something that you great for and
Speaker 2: celebrating things, even small things, I think you're one of
Speaker 2: the best people that I know or have taught me.
Speaker 2: This is how you celebrate other people. And somehow, as
Speaker 2: tired as you ever can be or ever are, you
Speaker 2: have always been able to celebrate me or your friends
Speaker 2: or nick really wholeheartedly and really genuinely. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's because you just thrive off the energy
Speaker 2: and get that endorphin or serotonin hint from celebrating other people,
Speaker 2: but somehow you still seem to do it so well,
Speaker 2: So I know, I think people can try practicing that
Speaker 2: as well, celebrating other people and other people's wings. Like
Speaker 2: just before this call, I had a call from a
Speaker 2: friend who had got her dream job, and I was like,
Speaker 2: like to the point where I was like, is this
Speaker 2: the sedatives or is this what it actually feels like?
Speaker 1: So that was just Yeah, that whole Dak kills.
Speaker 2: More James and fay ever will come into play. It's
Speaker 2: just that there's a lot of quotes floating around at
Speaker 2: the minute.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but they all mean something. I think and
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that the podcast for me twice
Speaker 1: a week, like most of the time there's two guests,
Speaker 1: sometimes there's only one, but at least once a week,
Speaker 1: maybe twice, to get to celebrate someone else's story and
Speaker 1: what they're doing, particularly if there's someone I've followed since
Speaker 1: they hadn't hit the dreams that they maybe have since then.
Speaker 1: Like all those things, I almost get more excited. Like
Speaker 1: when Sophi announced her book, she was posting the post,
Speaker 1: the announcement post while we were recording, and my face
Speaker 1: is more squish than her face, Like I was so excited.
Speaker 1: We're not even really close friends. Like I just get
Speaker 1: so excited for other people, And I think we all do, really,
Speaker 1: we all love to celebrate the people we love doing
Speaker 1: really well. But focusing on that and like spending a
Speaker 1: little moment to get lost in that it makes your
Speaker 1: day better, but also allowing myself to be like the
Speaker 1: day overall might not have been a good day, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be. Even as a positive person, Like
Speaker 1: my identity is really tied up in being positive and
Speaker 1: seeing the silver linings and lifting up others and finding
Speaker 1: the yay. But if I only find five minutes of yeah,
Speaker 1: in one day that doesn't matter. The rest of the
Speaker 1: day is allowed to feel luck. And that's been something
Speaker 1: I've had to allow myself to do as well, because
Speaker 1: otherwise you're masking and then that's why you're tired, because
Speaker 1: you're putting on joy because you feel like you should
Speaker 1: and like it's this vicious cycle. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: that's why I keep saying in all my posts as well,
Speaker 1: like be gentle on yourself if you feel weird and
Speaker 1: you're having a weird reaction and you're tired, or you're
Speaker 1: run down or your whatever, and you don't know why,
Speaker 1: and you're like, nothing big has really happened. Two years
Speaker 1: of big has happened. So if you feel weird on
Speaker 1: a particular day, that's probably why. Don't overthink it, but
Speaker 1: also don't try and push it away. You'll find one
Speaker 1: moment of joy that day and that's enough. If that's
Speaker 1: all you did, that's totally fine.
Speaker 2: But even if you don't feel driven that day, that's
Speaker 2: okay too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I think this is like the prime time of the whole.
Speaker 2: It's okay to be emotional or have feelings or feel
Speaker 2: a lot or feel too much I don't think this
Speaker 2: is such a thing of feeling too much. But I
Speaker 2: think if you, you know, if you I send your
Speaker 2: whole textans you're just saying all the reasons why I
Speaker 2: love you, I'd hope that ten minutes after, I didn't
Speaker 2: regret that because I felt I was like me or
Speaker 2: too attached or whatever that is. You think it's age,
Speaker 2: which I'm actually not ashamed of being. If that's what like,
Speaker 2: it genuinely doesn't bother me. If it means that if
Speaker 2: I died tomorrow and they know that they were truly
Speaker 2: loved by me and all the feelings that I had
Speaker 2: towards them, and how much how grateful that I am,
Speaker 2: I couldn't care that's what people thought of me, or
Speaker 2: the perception that people had of me. If it meant
Speaker 2: that I genuinely they felt love, They felt like they
Speaker 2: were they belonged in somewhere, and they felt, you know,
Speaker 2: they were seen, and that's all that matters really at
Speaker 2: the end of the day. So I don't gratitude totally
Speaker 2: get that, Yeah, that was all.
Speaker 1: Sorry for That's just spend forty minutes. Forty minutes I
Speaker 1: was on the floor, on the floor, you just kept
Speaker 1: saying words back and forth to each other, are dead sober,
Speaker 1: and just could not contain myself. It was just so funny.
Speaker 1: I was so that was a moment at the end
Speaker 1: of the day in my gratitude journal, I was like
Speaker 1: that moment, it was just so funny. I kud It
Speaker 1: made me laugh for like eight hours. We were just like,
Speaker 1: it was like delirious.
Speaker 2: You and your best mates just get into it, delirium ents.
Speaker 2: You're just in historics for absolutely seriously no reason. Like
Speaker 2: in hindsight, I reckock when we listen to this back
Speaker 2: and listen to the explanation of why we think it's
Speaker 2: so funny, but you at all, that's not even funny
Speaker 2: one little bit. But somehow, like Sarah's named this link.
Speaker 2: She sent me this link for this thing, and it says,
Speaker 2: you know, sports slash, poor slash. That's what we said.
Speaker 1: Even when I listened to you explaining it this time,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, it's really not that funny. That's
Speaker 1: so funny anyway, bim your recommendation for this week, book, movie, show, YouTube, clip,
Speaker 1: TikTok real, anything that made you smile other than having
Speaker 1: a colonoscopy this morning.
Speaker 2: We always say the whole thing without actually saying what
Speaker 2: the procedure was? You conservative? I was.
Speaker 1: I was like, I had to proceedure this morning. She
Speaker 1: had a nose, she had a boob job. That's why
Speaker 1: we called breakference forever.
Speaker 2: I actually blogged my column must be prepped because it
Speaker 2: was just shut mental.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: I was a little twenty times in the kidding.
Speaker 1: It's really, how many vlogs have you done that you've
Speaker 1: never released to the universe. You vlog everything, and they
Speaker 1: just don't edit them so much.
Speaker 2: If I could, I said to you, if I could
Speaker 2: quit and just do one thing like my job and
Speaker 2: do one thing forever, I would just want to story
Speaker 2: tell and create videos to storyteller for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life. I just love it so much. But yeah, sorry, books,
Speaker 2: I've already just started reading again, And I say again,
Speaker 2: but I just started reading ever so ready educated at
Speaker 2: the moment, I'm about seventeen pages in, so one page
Speaker 2: more than I was for.
Speaker 1: It's so good. I was going to say, you won't
Speaker 1: be able to put it down. You put it down
Speaker 1: like more times than you picked it up. But that's fine.
Speaker 1: It's a brilliant, brilliant book.
Speaker 2: A friend has got me into the office.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a bit like, oh my god, she's
Speaker 1: finally there. So funny, Yeah, so funny the office.
Speaker 2: And I've reinvigorated my love for friends.
Speaker 1: Yes, me too, went back to the start. So good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really love And there's this comedian who's
Speaker 2: on like, I just find her hilarious. She just pops
Speaker 2: up to my feet sometimes and everything that comes at
Speaker 2: her mouth is just so good. Melanie, and I fear
Speaker 2: her last name. But she's from New Zealand and she's
Speaker 2: on what's that Teva show on Monday nights. That's really
Speaker 2: funny that Sampang's in it. How then you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, ed can watch away? You
Speaker 1: know this? How we'll google it and put in the
Speaker 1: show notes.
Speaker 2: Anyway, she's got a new show also, Cheap Seats, and
Speaker 2: that just comes up on my feed sometimes that her
Speaker 2: name is Melanie something. I'm really not plugging this very
Speaker 2: well impersonation. She's hilarious, Like, you gotta follow her. She
Speaker 2: does it really really well. And then the last one
Speaker 2: is great and Mama, you have to follow Grandma. It's
Speaker 2: this little Vietnamese boy like Toddler the US. I just
Speaker 2: love him. He makes me very very happy. Grand Mama
Speaker 2: on Instagram follow him. He's got these chubby cheeks and
Speaker 2: bowld haircut and bull hair. Loves food to the moon
Speaker 2: and back. And he has these videos where he's always
Speaker 2: says thank He's a really really poor is it really
Speaker 2: amazing matters and always says to thank you Mama when
Speaker 2: she gives him food. She does this compilation of like
Speaker 2: fifty times he goes and cleets his food and it
Speaker 2: be goes tak your mama, tak your mama. Think and
Speaker 2: it's these big chicks and it's like a waffles or
Speaker 2: pancakes or grape or I can say, take your mama.
Speaker 2: It's just honestly you. I love it. It makes it's
Speaker 2: a hard poke page. So that's my recommendations.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so cute. I love them. I
Speaker 1: only have one to add to that, which is similar.
Speaker 1: It's like a TikTok account that's also on Instagram that
Speaker 1: just makes me so hat like. It's just cute and happy.
Speaker 1: There's a guy called is it Kby or Carby? Oh
Speaker 1: is yeah. So he's a twenty one year old from
Speaker 1: Senegal who lives in Italy and he's just basically started
Speaker 1: this random account I think when he was when he
Speaker 1: lost his job last year, and he does these like
Speaker 1: short skits where he just sarcastically points out to people
Speaker 1: doing really simple tasks, like, for example, how America like
Speaker 1: two billion dollars making a pen that would write in space,
Speaker 1: and the Russians were just like, just use a pencil
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing where people do really simple
Speaker 1: task but make them really complicated. And then he doesn't
Speaker 1: even speak in the videos. He just does this like
Speaker 1: cute little face about it, and it's Scott like, like,
Speaker 1: he's worth nearly two million dollars now and he's the
Speaker 1: second most followed TikTok accounts in the world. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: He lost job and now he's like a millionaire.
Speaker 2: I rate him.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, yeah, he's great, he's great.
Speaker 2: I remember the name. I looked it up, Melanie Bracewell.
Speaker 1: Amazing and the show is that she is sometimes have
Speaker 1: been Pott. I said the attention one, the attention one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that what usually you would know, you know,
Speaker 1: Sarah speak Sarah Nese.
Speaker 2: No, we but remember I'm hard.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. This is basically guys, basically anyway, BIM,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining. This was an absolute
Speaker 1: yay of my life.
Speaker 2: We always we did.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, BIAM. Hopefully see you soon.
Speaker 2: No thanks for having me, monsieur