1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:13,334 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,094 --> 00:00:17,214 Speaker 2: Mamma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,254 --> 00:00:19,134 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:22,854 --> 00:00:23,054 Speaker 3: Hi. 5 00:00:23,174 --> 00:00:26,494 Speaker 2: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily news podcast, 6 00:00:26,494 --> 00:00:30,614 Speaker 2: The Quickie. Brace Yourselves. Another election is coming and this 7 00:00:30,774 --> 00:00:33,094 Speaker 2: time you'll have to get yourself to the ballot box. 8 00:00:33,254 --> 00:00:35,574 Speaker 2: With Australians heading to the polls sometime in the next 9 00:00:35,614 --> 00:00:38,814 Speaker 2: six months. But the question has been just how much 10 00:00:38,814 --> 00:00:42,694 Speaker 2: with the US election influenced the Australian election. There are 11 00:00:42,734 --> 00:00:45,854 Speaker 2: already reports that Liberals are reaching out to Republicans and 12 00:00:45,934 --> 00:00:49,294 Speaker 2: Opposition leader Peter Dutton is already using some very familiar 13 00:00:49,374 --> 00:00:53,134 Speaker 2: trumpy terminology. Next, we'll catch up with our US correspondent 14 00:00:53,174 --> 00:00:56,414 Speaker 2: Amelia Lester and our Australian political expert Mark Kenny to 15 00:00:56,494 --> 00:00:59,734 Speaker 2: gauge just how trumpy the Australian federal election could get. 16 00:01:00,174 --> 00:01:03,214 Speaker 2: But first his the latest news headlines for Tuesday, December three. 17 00:01:03,494 --> 00:01:06,294 Speaker 2: Neighbour zicon Ian Smith, who we've known and loved as 18 00:01:06,334 --> 00:01:09,374 Speaker 2: Harold Bishop for decades, has revealed the reason he stepped 19 00:01:09,374 --> 00:01:12,174 Speaker 2: away away from the show is because he has terminal cancer. 20 00:01:12,574 --> 00:01:14,854 Speaker 2: The eighty five year old who's done several stints on 21 00:01:14,934 --> 00:01:17,494 Speaker 2: Ramsey Street, says he found out a few months ago 22 00:01:17,574 --> 00:01:20,054 Speaker 2: that he has a non fixable lung cancer, but that 23 00:01:20,134 --> 00:01:22,014 Speaker 2: he's putting his hand up to be a guinea pig 24 00:01:22,174 --> 00:01:26,414 Speaker 2: and is now undergoing immunotherapy. Smith, who's previously overcome prostate 25 00:01:26,454 --> 00:01:29,214 Speaker 2: cancer and a stroke, says he doesn't want to die, 26 00:01:29,334 --> 00:01:31,494 Speaker 2: but wakes up every morning with the fear that today 27 00:01:31,494 --> 00:01:34,094 Speaker 2: will be the day the pain starts. After watching his 28 00:01:34,174 --> 00:01:37,534 Speaker 2: wife Gail pass away, also from cancer, back in twenty nineteen, 29 00:01:37,934 --> 00:01:39,934 Speaker 2: he says he wants to go the nice way, not 30 00:01:40,014 --> 00:01:43,254 Speaker 2: the painful way. Harold's last appearance on Neighbors will air 31 00:01:43,374 --> 00:01:46,974 Speaker 2: in April twenty twenty five. A government crackdown on spam 32 00:01:47,014 --> 00:01:49,494 Speaker 2: text messages could see them become a thing of the past. 33 00:01:49,814 --> 00:01:52,974 Speaker 2: A mandatory SMS sender ID register will be set up, 34 00:01:53,214 --> 00:01:56,494 Speaker 2: requiring telcos to check whether messages sent under a brand 35 00:01:56,534 --> 00:01:59,974 Speaker 2: name correspond with that legitimate brand. If it doesn't match, 36 00:02:00,054 --> 00:02:02,614 Speaker 2: then the SMS will be blocked or include a warning 37 00:02:02,654 --> 00:02:05,214 Speaker 2: to the sender that it could be fraudulent. With tech 38 00:02:05,294 --> 00:02:08,574 Speaker 2: scams the most commonly reported. The government's hoping to decrease 39 00:02:08,614 --> 00:02:12,254 Speaker 2: this form of fraud, with scammers often trying to impersonate banks, 40 00:02:12,294 --> 00:02:15,334 Speaker 2: the ATO and other government organizations, and at this time 41 00:02:15,374 --> 00:02:19,454 Speaker 2: of year, especially parcel delivery services as people await packages 42 00:02:19,494 --> 00:02:22,534 Speaker 2: for Christmas. Woole shoppers are being told there may be 43 00:02:22,534 --> 00:02:25,534 Speaker 2: beare shelves in some stores as a pay dispute continues 44 00:02:25,574 --> 00:02:29,134 Speaker 2: at a distribution center in Melbourne, United Workers Union members 45 00:02:29,174 --> 00:02:32,374 Speaker 2: of blocking all the entrances to the warehouse after Woolworts 46 00:02:32,414 --> 00:02:36,094 Speaker 2: announced plans to reopen it, Picketers turning away logistics trucks 47 00:02:36,134 --> 00:02:39,574 Speaker 2: trying to enter. The industrial action has seen Victorian Woolworth's 48 00:02:39,614 --> 00:02:42,814 Speaker 2: shelves stripped like they were back in the pandemic. Woolworths 49 00:02:42,854 --> 00:02:46,054 Speaker 2: and the union are still negotiating, the union saying unrealistic 50 00:02:46,094 --> 00:02:50,094 Speaker 2: performance expectations are putting workers safety at risk, demanding better 51 00:02:50,134 --> 00:02:53,014 Speaker 2: wages and an agreement that all staff at all Woolworths 52 00:02:53,014 --> 00:02:56,814 Speaker 2: distribution locations get paid the same. Elton John has told 53 00:02:56,854 --> 00:02:59,254 Speaker 2: the crowd in London who are watching the opening performance 54 00:02:59,254 --> 00:03:01,334 Speaker 2: of The Devil Wears Prata in the West End that 55 00:03:01,374 --> 00:03:03,814 Speaker 2: he loved hearing it, but he couldn't watch it now 56 00:03:03,854 --> 00:03:07,254 Speaker 2: having lost eyesight completely. John, who wrote the score for 57 00:03:07,294 --> 00:03:09,854 Speaker 2: the show, told the audience he's had some issues. The 58 00:03:09,894 --> 00:03:13,054 Speaker 2: singer struggling to recover from an eye infection earlier this year, 59 00:03:13,254 --> 00:03:16,134 Speaker 2: which is now impacted site in both eyes. He thanked 60 00:03:16,134 --> 00:03:18,894 Speaker 2: his husband for being his rock. The seventy seven year 61 00:03:18,894 --> 00:03:20,854 Speaker 2: old was in the middle of working on a new album, 62 00:03:21,094 --> 00:03:23,694 Speaker 2: but says this health issue has kept him from the studio, 63 00:03:24,014 --> 00:03:27,134 Speaker 2: saying back in August that he now feels stuck. That's 64 00:03:27,174 --> 00:03:28,934 Speaker 2: what's going on in the world today. Next good, the 65 00:03:28,974 --> 00:03:32,214 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five Australian federal election. Repeat what just happened 66 00:03:32,214 --> 00:03:34,574 Speaker 2: in the US, we find out whether we're also heading 67 00:03:34,614 --> 00:03:45,894 Speaker 2: down a Trumpian light. You might have heard that right 68 00:03:45,894 --> 00:03:48,254 Speaker 2: before Parliament broke up for the year last week. The 69 00:03:48,294 --> 00:03:52,014 Speaker 2: government managed to squeeze thirty one pieces of legislation through, 70 00:03:52,734 --> 00:03:56,054 Speaker 2: from housing initiatives to the under sixteen social media band 71 00:03:56,334 --> 00:03:59,054 Speaker 2: bills were being crammed through the system left and right. 72 00:03:59,534 --> 00:04:02,734 Speaker 2: So why the mad rush? Well, sometime between now in 73 00:04:02,774 --> 00:04:05,854 Speaker 2: May seventeen, twenty twenty five, there will be a federal 74 00:04:05,894 --> 00:04:08,414 Speaker 2: election and both parties are gearing up for the fight. 75 00:04:09,294 --> 00:04:11,854 Speaker 2: This This next Australian election comes on the heels of 76 00:04:11,934 --> 00:04:14,494 Speaker 2: a US election which has returned Donald Trump to the 77 00:04:14,494 --> 00:04:17,734 Speaker 2: White House, and according to reports, the Liberals are hoping 78 00:04:17,774 --> 00:04:22,134 Speaker 2: to replicate that return to conservatism here too. Mark Kenny 79 00:04:22,214 --> 00:04:24,774 Speaker 2: is a professor of Australian Studies at the Australian National 80 00:04:24,854 --> 00:04:28,134 Speaker 2: University's College of Arts and Social Sciences. He's also the 81 00:04:28,134 --> 00:04:31,214 Speaker 2: host of the weekly politics and public affairs podcast Democracy 82 00:04:31,294 --> 00:04:34,734 Speaker 2: Sausage with Mark Kenny. Mark, do you think it's true 83 00:04:34,734 --> 00:04:36,854 Speaker 2: that the Liberal Party has been reaching out to Republican 84 00:04:36,974 --> 00:04:39,974 Speaker 2: strategists for guidance on how to win this upcoming election. 85 00:04:40,374 --> 00:04:40,574 Speaker 3: Yeah. 86 00:04:40,574 --> 00:04:44,334 Speaker 4: Look, I think it's certainly true that conservatives in democracies 87 00:04:44,374 --> 00:04:46,294 Speaker 4: do tend to talk to each other, and it's also 88 00:04:46,334 --> 00:04:48,694 Speaker 4: the case for the progressive side of politics, you know, 89 00:04:48,774 --> 00:04:52,174 Speaker 4: the British Labor Party and the Democrats and the Australian. 90 00:04:51,774 --> 00:04:55,254 Speaker 3: Labor Party and probably the Canadians. They tend to swap 91 00:04:55,534 --> 00:04:58,494 Speaker 3: learnings and get some sort of read on what's happening 92 00:04:58,494 --> 00:05:00,934 Speaker 3: in the electorate and how to measure what's happening in 93 00:05:00,934 --> 00:05:03,534 Speaker 3: the electorate, which is really important. And I think there's 94 00:05:03,534 --> 00:05:06,934 Speaker 3: no doubt that what we've seen in the US is 95 00:05:06,974 --> 00:05:10,814 Speaker 3: the very effective political capitalation, if I can put it 96 00:05:10,854 --> 00:05:14,694 Speaker 3: like that, on a public sentiment of complaint, of disaffection, 97 00:05:14,934 --> 00:05:19,334 Speaker 3: of di engagement, of being left behind, an anti establishment 98 00:05:19,414 --> 00:05:23,054 Speaker 3: sort of sentiment that is now very very important within 99 00:05:23,374 --> 00:05:28,414 Speaker 3: democratic politics. So I'm not surprised that the Conservatives in 100 00:05:28,454 --> 00:05:31,654 Speaker 3: Australia would take great heart from what happened in the 101 00:05:31,774 --> 00:05:34,494 Speaker 3: US because the polls, of course showed that it was 102 00:05:34,614 --> 00:05:38,134 Speaker 3: very very close. There was a real expectation once the 103 00:05:38,174 --> 00:05:41,334 Speaker 3: Democrats dropped Biden and went to Kamala Harris. You know, 104 00:05:41,414 --> 00:05:44,894 Speaker 3: there was huge early enthusiasm for that, but obviously there 105 00:05:44,974 --> 00:05:48,094 Speaker 3: was something happening in the electorate that that enthusiasm didn't 106 00:05:48,134 --> 00:05:53,014 Speaker 3: pick up and people are prepared to ditch governments. I've 107 00:05:53,054 --> 00:05:55,494 Speaker 3: called it the era of pick and flick, or pick 108 00:05:55,534 --> 00:05:58,054 Speaker 3: and kick rather than pick and stick, which is what's 109 00:05:58,094 --> 00:06:00,934 Speaker 3: been the trend in Australia over coming on close to 110 00:06:00,974 --> 00:06:03,494 Speaker 3: a century of electoral history where we don't have a 111 00:06:03,534 --> 00:06:07,134 Speaker 3: single term federal governments nowadays. Who knows, it could well 112 00:06:07,134 --> 00:06:10,134 Speaker 3: be that the alban Easy government is the first one 113 00:06:10,294 --> 00:06:12,614 Speaker 3: term government since nineteen thirty two. 114 00:06:13,174 --> 00:06:15,734 Speaker 2: What is happening in the Australian electorate do you think, Mark, 115 00:06:15,774 --> 00:06:19,774 Speaker 2: are we looking disenfranchised like our US friends are? I 116 00:06:19,774 --> 00:06:22,334 Speaker 2: mean a cost of living. Crisis will do that to you. 117 00:06:22,934 --> 00:06:27,454 Speaker 2: Are we feeling like maybe Australians are preparing for a switch? 118 00:06:27,734 --> 00:06:30,654 Speaker 3: Well, that does seem to be the zeitgeist really, that 119 00:06:30,654 --> 00:06:34,894 Speaker 3: there's this sense of people being left behind of the 120 00:06:35,014 --> 00:06:40,614 Speaker 3: market essentially not working for everyone, of policy being determined 121 00:06:40,654 --> 00:06:45,454 Speaker 3: by elites, as they're often described, which includes the media 122 00:06:45,654 --> 00:06:50,734 Speaker 3: and government and public servants and universities and essentially all 123 00:06:50,774 --> 00:06:55,414 Speaker 3: the kind of heavy weights of policy determination in Australia 124 00:06:55,694 --> 00:06:58,974 Speaker 3: for a long time, there's a sense that isn't working 125 00:06:59,014 --> 00:07:01,094 Speaker 3: for as many people. Now in Australia, I think it's 126 00:07:01,334 --> 00:07:04,654 Speaker 3: a milder form than we see in the US. That's 127 00:07:04,694 --> 00:07:07,134 Speaker 3: because we have a much better social safety net. We 128 00:07:07,254 --> 00:07:10,374 Speaker 3: have of course universal health and insurance in the form 129 00:07:10,374 --> 00:07:15,494 Speaker 3: of Medicare, and we have a calmer kind of and 130 00:07:15,614 --> 00:07:20,254 Speaker 3: more moderate kind of political debate because we have compulsory 131 00:07:20,294 --> 00:07:24,134 Speaker 3: preferential voting in this country and an unimpeachable national electoral 132 00:07:24,294 --> 00:07:28,854 Speaker 3: system that is the Australian Electoral Commission, highly respected, in fact, 133 00:07:28,854 --> 00:07:32,934 Speaker 3: by some surveys, the most respected institution in the country. 134 00:07:32,934 --> 00:07:34,654 Speaker 3: And all of these things I think add up to 135 00:07:35,214 --> 00:07:38,294 Speaker 3: a less febrile situation than we see in the US, 136 00:07:38,334 --> 00:07:41,734 Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean that there isn't a degree of disaffection. 137 00:07:41,854 --> 00:07:45,054 Speaker 3: We know, for example, that younger people are more and 138 00:07:45,134 --> 00:07:48,854 Speaker 3: more disengaged because I think they're disillusioned over things like 139 00:07:48,894 --> 00:07:53,174 Speaker 3: climate change. But they're particularly disengaged because they feel like 140 00:07:53,214 --> 00:07:56,294 Speaker 3: the system is no longer delivering for them. Their parents 141 00:07:56,334 --> 00:07:59,654 Speaker 3: were able to get houses and to accumulate wealth through 142 00:07:59,694 --> 00:08:02,974 Speaker 3: property ownership effectively, but they are not able to break 143 00:08:03,014 --> 00:08:05,414 Speaker 3: into the home ownership and so there's a sort of 144 00:08:05,534 --> 00:08:10,214 Speaker 3: an outsider resentment I think brewing in younger voter particularly 145 00:08:10,214 --> 00:08:13,494 Speaker 3: among younger men. You put all these things together, I 146 00:08:13,534 --> 00:08:16,774 Speaker 3: think there is still some sort of fertile ground for 147 00:08:16,894 --> 00:08:19,894 Speaker 3: Peter Dutton and the Conservatives to till What was. 148 00:08:19,894 --> 00:08:23,134 Speaker 2: The purpose of Labor pushing so much legislation through at 149 00:08:23,134 --> 00:08:26,134 Speaker 2: the end of the sitting period last week? Does that 150 00:08:26,214 --> 00:08:29,534 Speaker 2: set Labor up in good stead to go into an election? 151 00:08:29,654 --> 00:08:31,854 Speaker 3: Yet? I think one of the reasons that they wanted 152 00:08:31,854 --> 00:08:34,334 Speaker 3: to do that is because they need to show that 153 00:08:34,374 --> 00:08:36,854 Speaker 3: the government is active. You know, it's interesting to think 154 00:08:36,894 --> 00:08:40,494 Speaker 3: about the resentment that was directed towards Scott Morrison. He 155 00:08:40,574 --> 00:08:42,774 Speaker 3: was an unpopular Prime minister by the end, and there 156 00:08:42,814 --> 00:08:45,454 Speaker 3: was a very strong kind of get rid of Morrison's 157 00:08:45,454 --> 00:08:49,094 Speaker 3: sentiment at the twenty twenty two election, which you know 158 00:08:49,254 --> 00:08:53,494 Speaker 3: benefited Labor eventually. But Labour's primary vote even in that 159 00:08:53,694 --> 00:08:56,934 Speaker 3: environment was a record low thirty two point six percent 160 00:08:56,974 --> 00:09:02,014 Speaker 3: across the nation. So the situation there was quite hostile 161 00:09:02,494 --> 00:09:05,494 Speaker 3: for the Conservatives but didn't really show up in support 162 00:09:05,494 --> 00:09:09,374 Speaker 3: for Labor except really through the preference system. So initially 163 00:09:09,654 --> 00:09:12,654 Speaker 3: there was this relief that the new Labor government was 164 00:09:12,694 --> 00:09:15,214 Speaker 3: an orderly government. You know that it didn't have the 165 00:09:15,214 --> 00:09:18,054 Speaker 3: Prime minister sworn into five ministries, and it didn't have 166 00:09:18,134 --> 00:09:20,814 Speaker 3: all the kinds of scandals and lack of process that 167 00:09:20,934 --> 00:09:23,654 Speaker 3: was associated with the Morrison period. But I think what 168 00:09:23,694 --> 00:09:27,094 Speaker 3: we've seen since, with high inflation, high interest rates, the 169 00:09:27,134 --> 00:09:30,054 Speaker 3: cost of living crisis as it is so often described, 170 00:09:30,334 --> 00:09:33,174 Speaker 3: I think there's a level of dissatisfaction with the government 171 00:09:33,734 --> 00:09:35,974 Speaker 3: and the government needs to show that it's out there 172 00:09:36,014 --> 00:09:39,134 Speaker 3: doing things. And it certainly finished with a flourish in 173 00:09:39,254 --> 00:09:41,294 Speaker 3: terms of getting a number of bills tough, and that 174 00:09:41,334 --> 00:09:44,014 Speaker 3: does give it a story to tell going into the 175 00:09:44,054 --> 00:09:47,774 Speaker 3: next election, and particularly because some of those things actually 176 00:09:48,374 --> 00:09:52,934 Speaker 3: go to making life easier for people, there's tax cuts, 177 00:09:52,974 --> 00:09:55,814 Speaker 3: and there's some more money for childcare, and more money 178 00:09:55,214 --> 00:09:58,854 Speaker 3: for relieved text debts and all kinds of things like this. 179 00:09:59,014 --> 00:10:01,894 Speaker 3: So that gives the government a story to tell. Whether 180 00:10:01,934 --> 00:10:04,734 Speaker 3: it's enough that remains to be seen. But the government 181 00:10:04,774 --> 00:10:07,894 Speaker 3: goes in neck and neck in the polls, perhaps fractionally 182 00:10:07,934 --> 00:10:12,374 Speaker 3: behind the Conservatives with a significant seat buffer, and I 183 00:10:12,414 --> 00:10:16,814 Speaker 3: think probably remains narrow favorite to hold onto government. 184 00:10:18,694 --> 00:10:21,014 Speaker 2: So how are things going over in the US right now? 185 00:10:21,374 --> 00:10:23,974 Speaker 2: There are tons of posts on social media platforms of 186 00:10:24,014 --> 00:10:27,454 Speaker 2: Americans realizing exactly what some of the things Trump promised 187 00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:28,334 Speaker 2: actually mean. 188 00:10:28,934 --> 00:10:32,614 Speaker 5: I just watched a easily seventy five year old man 189 00:10:33,254 --> 00:10:35,974 Speaker 5: learn what a tariff was in real time because he 190 00:10:36,014 --> 00:10:39,094 Speaker 5: stood in line of the health bood store. The manager 191 00:10:39,134 --> 00:10:41,894 Speaker 5: of the store, who apparently as his friend, said, oh god, 192 00:10:41,934 --> 00:10:42,614 Speaker 5: and I'm just dried. 193 00:10:42,654 --> 00:10:43,134 Speaker 6: In January. 194 00:10:43,534 --> 00:10:45,374 Speaker 5: All of our produces got to go at twenty five percent, 195 00:10:45,374 --> 00:10:47,414 Speaker 5: well a majority of it, And he goes, The old 196 00:10:47,454 --> 00:10:49,534 Speaker 5: man goes, what are you talking about? He goes, he's 197 00:10:49,574 --> 00:10:51,894 Speaker 5: putting it in terriffs on the first day for Mexico. 198 00:10:51,974 --> 00:10:53,694 Speaker 5: And you know, all of our tomatoes and avocados and 199 00:10:53,734 --> 00:10:56,014 Speaker 5: everything from Mexico. So most of my products is going 200 00:10:56,054 --> 00:10:57,934 Speaker 5: to go up twenty five percent. He goes, no, no, no, 201 00:10:57,974 --> 00:10:59,894 Speaker 5: He's going to put a tariff on that. And the 202 00:10:59,974 --> 00:11:02,494 Speaker 5: manager looked at him and said, yeah, and I had 203 00:11:02,494 --> 00:11:05,334 Speaker 5: to pay that tariff, So then what do you think 204 00:11:05,374 --> 00:11:08,734 Speaker 5: I'm going to do? And the old man stepped back 205 00:11:08,734 --> 00:11:11,214 Speaker 5: and looked at him, you're going to pass it on 206 00:11:11,294 --> 00:11:14,374 Speaker 5: to us. Yeah. 207 00:11:14,854 --> 00:11:17,334 Speaker 2: Some have even said their lives have changed forever by 208 00:11:17,374 --> 00:11:19,014 Speaker 2: their choice to vote for Donald Trump. 209 00:11:19,694 --> 00:11:23,974 Speaker 7: So with official my wife is divorcing me, She says, 210 00:11:23,974 --> 00:11:26,694 Speaker 7: she couldn't be with the Trump supporter Tony. I have 211 00:11:26,734 --> 00:11:28,774 Speaker 7: it till the end of the day to get my 212 00:11:28,814 --> 00:11:32,494 Speaker 7: shit out of the house, get all my things that's 213 00:11:32,614 --> 00:11:34,014 Speaker 7: changing lives she has in my bag. 214 00:11:34,334 --> 00:11:36,614 Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, and the choices for 215 00:11:36,614 --> 00:11:40,614 Speaker 2: the Trump cabinet keep raising eyebrows. Amelia Lester is a 216 00:11:40,614 --> 00:11:43,934 Speaker 2: deputy editor of Foreign Policy Magazine and Momma MEAs US 217 00:11:43,974 --> 00:11:47,494 Speaker 2: correspondent Amelia. The last time we spoke, Matt Gates had 218 00:11:47,494 --> 00:11:49,774 Speaker 2: been tapped for Attorney General, but he's now dropped out 219 00:11:49,814 --> 00:11:52,374 Speaker 2: of the running, saying his issues would be too distracting 220 00:11:52,374 --> 00:11:54,774 Speaker 2: for the new president. But what happens to him now 221 00:11:54,774 --> 00:11:56,174 Speaker 2: didn't he resign from Congress. 222 00:11:56,734 --> 00:11:59,294 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he's fine with not being in 223 00:11:59,334 --> 00:12:03,414 Speaker 1: Congress anymore, because he's resurfaced on Cameo, which is the 224 00:12:03,694 --> 00:12:07,774 Speaker 1: website where you can hire celebrities and quasi celebrities to 225 00:12:08,174 --> 00:12:11,934 Speaker 1: send birthday messages to friends, and he is now on 226 00:12:12,014 --> 00:12:14,814 Speaker 1: Cameo attracting upwards of four hundred and. 227 00:12:14,814 --> 00:12:18,054 Speaker 6: Fifty dollars US and appearance. I believe, so. I think 228 00:12:18,094 --> 00:12:19,534 Speaker 6: he's going to be just fine, and. 229 00:12:19,454 --> 00:12:23,334 Speaker 1: He'll probably, like a lot of these Trump orbit personalities, 230 00:12:23,654 --> 00:12:26,094 Speaker 1: end up with some kind of anchor spot on Fox 231 00:12:26,134 --> 00:12:26,734 Speaker 1: News as well. 232 00:12:27,534 --> 00:12:30,294 Speaker 2: Any other interesting additions to the cabinet since we last 233 00:12:30,294 --> 00:12:31,694 Speaker 2: caught up depends. 234 00:12:31,614 --> 00:12:34,494 Speaker 1: How you define interesting. I did want to highlight that 235 00:12:34,814 --> 00:12:39,214 Speaker 1: over the weekend, this completely astonishing letter has been circulating 236 00:12:39,614 --> 00:12:43,854 Speaker 1: from Pete heg Seth's mother. Now, we talked about Pete Hegseth, 237 00:12:44,014 --> 00:12:47,134 Speaker 1: I believe on the show before he is Trump's nominee 238 00:12:47,134 --> 00:12:50,174 Speaker 1: for the Department of Defense. He's a veteran and perhaps 239 00:12:50,174 --> 00:12:52,774 Speaker 1: more to the point, for Trump, a former Fox News host. 240 00:12:53,494 --> 00:12:54,694 Speaker 6: An email leaked. 241 00:12:54,894 --> 00:12:56,974 Speaker 1: I don't know who leaked it, but an email that 242 00:12:57,054 --> 00:13:02,334 Speaker 1: his mother sent him regarding allegations of abuse towards heg 243 00:13:02,374 --> 00:13:06,014 Speaker 1: Seth's former wife, and his mother basically said, well, she 244 00:13:06,054 --> 00:13:07,974 Speaker 1: did say you are an abuser of women. 245 00:13:08,054 --> 00:13:09,174 Speaker 6: That's an exact quote. 246 00:13:09,574 --> 00:13:12,734 Speaker 1: And she went on to denounce his character, and she 247 00:13:12,814 --> 00:13:15,694 Speaker 1: said how disappointed she was in him. It'll be interesting 248 00:13:15,734 --> 00:13:19,414 Speaker 1: to see whether the testimony of someone's literal mother moves 249 00:13:19,414 --> 00:13:22,134 Speaker 1: the needle at all, But so far, I don't think 250 00:13:22,174 --> 00:13:25,854 Speaker 1: I've seen any persuasive evidence that he'll be stepping aside. 251 00:13:26,054 --> 00:13:30,414 Speaker 1: A couple of other interesting developments. Trump's appointment for the 252 00:13:30,454 --> 00:13:34,454 Speaker 1: Department of Labor is Laurie Chaves de Rima. Now, she 253 00:13:34,854 --> 00:13:39,094 Speaker 1: is a former Republican politician who lost her latest Congress 254 00:13:39,134 --> 00:13:42,094 Speaker 1: run to a Democrat. But what's interesting about her is 255 00:13:42,134 --> 00:13:45,014 Speaker 1: that she is an advocate for union rights and for 256 00:13:45,094 --> 00:13:48,214 Speaker 1: labor rights. She is supported by the Teamsters, which is 257 00:13:48,294 --> 00:13:51,654 Speaker 1: the biggest labor union in the United States, and she 258 00:13:51,894 --> 00:13:54,014 Speaker 1: was one of the few Republicans to vote for the 259 00:13:54,054 --> 00:13:57,534 Speaker 1: expansion of labor rights through legislation pushed by Democrats in 260 00:13:57,534 --> 00:14:01,494 Speaker 1: the last Congress. I highlight her because I think one 261 00:14:01,654 --> 00:14:05,094 Speaker 1: interesting thing that's emerging beyond Trump loyalists in this cabinet 262 00:14:05,174 --> 00:14:08,214 Speaker 1: is that there are people who have very different perspectives. 263 00:14:08,334 --> 00:14:10,174 Speaker 1: I think it would be a mistake to think that 264 00:14:10,734 --> 00:14:14,214 Speaker 1: MAGA means just one thing or one perspective. As shown 265 00:14:14,294 --> 00:14:19,054 Speaker 1: by her inclusion, it can mean some surprising populist pull 266 00:14:19,134 --> 00:14:22,054 Speaker 1: in from different parts of the political spectrum. The other 267 00:14:22,134 --> 00:14:25,054 Speaker 1: thing that I just wanted to highlight is that he 268 00:14:25,294 --> 00:14:28,774 Speaker 1: is continuing a trend of appointing people who don't believe 269 00:14:28,814 --> 00:14:31,774 Speaker 1: in vaccines and who certainly don't believe in vaccine mandates. 270 00:14:32,014 --> 00:14:32,974 Speaker 6: On top of Robert F. 271 00:14:33,054 --> 00:14:35,454 Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, who we've talked about before, who has pushed 272 00:14:35,454 --> 00:14:38,894 Speaker 1: that vaccines cause autism, he is also put in charge 273 00:14:39,014 --> 00:14:41,574 Speaker 1: to the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, that's the 274 00:14:41,654 --> 00:14:47,454 Speaker 1: agency that approves all new medications. He's appointed Martin macquerie, 275 00:14:47,734 --> 00:14:51,214 Speaker 1: who is a very vocal critic of the medical establishment 276 00:14:51,254 --> 00:14:54,414 Speaker 1: and a vaccine mandates during COVID and at the CDC 277 00:14:54,614 --> 00:14:57,494 Speaker 1: the Centers for Disease Control, which as the name suggests, 278 00:14:57,534 --> 00:15:00,334 Speaker 1: are in charge of pandemic response if another one comes. 279 00:15:00,654 --> 00:15:04,534 Speaker 1: He has named Dave Worldon, who is another very vocal 280 00:15:04,734 --> 00:15:07,814 Speaker 1: critic of vaccines who has also pushed to that vaccines 281 00:15:07,894 --> 00:15:12,094 Speaker 1: cause autism. Merging trend is this pushed back against vaccines, 282 00:15:12,134 --> 00:15:15,534 Speaker 1: particularly among his appointments to scientific and medical posts. 283 00:15:16,334 --> 00:15:19,454 Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting to know to what is 284 00:15:19,574 --> 00:15:22,454 Speaker 2: Joe Biden doing at this point because all the focus 285 00:15:22,534 --> 00:15:24,494 Speaker 2: is on Donald Trump and his transition back to the 286 00:15:24,494 --> 00:15:27,334 Speaker 2: White House. But is Joe Biden doing anything? Because remember 287 00:15:27,374 --> 00:15:30,134 Speaker 2: when Trump went out, we're all terrified of some of 288 00:15:30,134 --> 00:15:32,214 Speaker 2: the things that he was doing that could potentially have 289 00:15:32,294 --> 00:15:35,454 Speaker 2: long term impacts, like judges on the Supreme Court, which 290 00:15:35,454 --> 00:15:38,014 Speaker 2: has essentially led to the overturning of Roe v. Wade. 291 00:15:38,014 --> 00:15:39,174 Speaker 2: What's Joe Biden doing? 292 00:15:39,654 --> 00:15:42,934 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually a great question. He's doing a couple 293 00:15:42,934 --> 00:15:45,654 Speaker 1: of things. The first is that he is on a 294 00:15:45,734 --> 00:15:48,534 Speaker 1: trip to Africa right now. It began on the weekend. 295 00:15:48,854 --> 00:15:51,254 Speaker 1: It's the first trip to Africa by an American president 296 00:15:51,294 --> 00:15:54,254 Speaker 1: since Barack Obama traveled to the continent in twenty fifteen. 297 00:15:54,734 --> 00:15:56,294 Speaker 1: This was a trip he was meant to make in 298 00:15:56,294 --> 00:15:59,134 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, but which he pushed back because. 299 00:15:58,854 --> 00:16:00,014 Speaker 6: Of the war in the Middle East. 300 00:16:00,254 --> 00:16:03,734 Speaker 1: The reason why this is significant is because Africa is 301 00:16:03,894 --> 00:16:07,414 Speaker 1: very much the place where the great power competition between 302 00:16:07,494 --> 00:16:09,494 Speaker 1: China and the United States has been playing out. 303 00:16:09,654 --> 00:16:10,734 Speaker 6: Now, the United States has. 304 00:16:10,654 --> 00:16:13,574 Speaker 1: Been pretty distracted the last few years and hasn't really 305 00:16:13,614 --> 00:16:16,494 Speaker 1: been able to compete with China in Africa. I guess 306 00:16:16,494 --> 00:16:19,294 Speaker 1: this is kind of a last ditch attempt by Biden 307 00:16:19,454 --> 00:16:22,014 Speaker 1: to nod to that great power competition and to say 308 00:16:22,014 --> 00:16:23,974 Speaker 1: that the United States is still in the game in 309 00:16:24,014 --> 00:16:27,254 Speaker 1: Africa when it comes to foreign investment and the competition 310 00:16:27,374 --> 00:16:29,494 Speaker 1: with China. But it does seem a bit like clustered 311 00:16:29,574 --> 00:16:32,014 Speaker 1: to be doing it in the dying days of his administration. 312 00:16:32,414 --> 00:16:35,294 Speaker 1: Another thing that he's doing internally, that he's being pushed 313 00:16:35,294 --> 00:16:38,294 Speaker 1: to do by Democrats is to appoint as many judges 314 00:16:38,374 --> 00:16:42,294 Speaker 1: as possible in these remaining days in office. In total, 315 00:16:42,294 --> 00:16:45,134 Speaker 1: he's appointed two hundred and twenty one federal judges during 316 00:16:45,174 --> 00:16:48,374 Speaker 1: his tenure, and in these last few days he's going 317 00:16:48,454 --> 00:16:51,694 Speaker 1: to be trying to confirm up to fourteen federal judges, 318 00:16:52,214 --> 00:16:54,494 Speaker 1: and he's hoping that that is going to act as 319 00:16:54,494 --> 00:16:57,734 Speaker 1: a bulwark against some of Trump's more extreme positions in 320 00:16:57,774 --> 00:17:01,854 Speaker 1: the coming administration. Generally, he does have quite a few 321 00:17:02,334 --> 00:17:05,374 Speaker 1: possible avenues to explore in these last few months to 322 00:17:05,454 --> 00:17:07,134 Speaker 1: attempt to shore up his legacy. 323 00:17:07,374 --> 00:17:08,534 Speaker 6: I think people are. 324 00:17:08,414 --> 00:17:12,494 Speaker 1: Now feeling like like Biden's legacy has been really tarnished 325 00:17:12,814 --> 00:17:16,454 Speaker 1: by being sandwiched between these two Trump administrations. There's a 326 00:17:16,494 --> 00:17:19,014 Speaker 1: growing frustration in the Democratic Party that he should have 327 00:17:19,014 --> 00:17:21,614 Speaker 1: stood aside earlier, and that he should have done that 328 00:17:21,694 --> 00:17:24,334 Speaker 1: as early as the twenty twenty two midterms or thereafter. 329 00:17:25,014 --> 00:17:27,574 Speaker 2: Can I ask you what impact tariffs will have here 330 00:17:27,574 --> 00:17:30,814 Speaker 2: on Australia because Donald Trump's campaign to become president, he 331 00:17:30,814 --> 00:17:32,614 Speaker 2: talked a lot about tariffs. As it turns out, a 332 00:17:32,654 --> 00:17:35,094 Speaker 2: lot of Americans didn't quite understand how that works and 333 00:17:35,134 --> 00:17:38,334 Speaker 2: how that is going to essentially increase some prices of 334 00:17:38,414 --> 00:17:41,094 Speaker 2: goods and services or they come into the US. And 335 00:17:41,134 --> 00:17:43,974 Speaker 2: we know that there are countries who are desperately scrambling 336 00:17:43,974 --> 00:17:46,534 Speaker 2: to try and ensure this doesn't happen. Justin Trudeau, the 337 00:17:46,614 --> 00:17:49,294 Speaker 2: Canadian Prime Minister's flown to the US to have discussions 338 00:17:49,334 --> 00:17:51,614 Speaker 2: about this. Will it impact Australia at all? 339 00:17:51,934 --> 00:17:54,974 Speaker 1: So this is kind of the million or billion dollar 340 00:17:55,094 --> 00:17:59,894 Speaker 1: question that everyone's been asking whether Trump is just using 341 00:17:59,934 --> 00:18:03,334 Speaker 1: these threats of tariff's as leverage to get more favorable 342 00:18:03,374 --> 00:18:04,734 Speaker 1: trade deals out of. 343 00:18:04,814 --> 00:18:06,454 Speaker 6: Mexico and Canada and China. 344 00:18:06,494 --> 00:18:08,974 Speaker 1: These are the countries that he's singled out as wanting 345 00:18:09,014 --> 00:18:12,174 Speaker 1: to put the tin onerous tariffs on But the short 346 00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:14,694 Speaker 1: story is if he does follow through on them, it 347 00:18:14,854 --> 00:18:18,134 Speaker 1: is going to hurt Australia. Economists say that it could 348 00:18:18,174 --> 00:18:20,614 Speaker 1: even lead to some kind of global financial crisis. 349 00:18:20,614 --> 00:18:21,414 Speaker 6: And here's why. 350 00:18:22,014 --> 00:18:25,294 Speaker 1: Even if he doesn't put direct tariffs on Australian goods 351 00:18:25,294 --> 00:18:27,534 Speaker 1: coming into the US, there's going to be all these 352 00:18:27,614 --> 00:18:29,814 Speaker 1: knock on effects from the tariffs that he puts in 353 00:18:29,814 --> 00:18:33,214 Speaker 1: other countries. For example, China is Australia's biggest market for 354 00:18:33,334 --> 00:18:36,574 Speaker 1: energy and resources. If China sells fewer goods to the US, 355 00:18:36,614 --> 00:18:39,294 Speaker 1: and it will with tariffs because it will make the 356 00:18:39,334 --> 00:18:42,454 Speaker 1: goods coming in from China more expensive, that means that 357 00:18:42,574 --> 00:18:46,014 Speaker 1: China's demand for Australian energy and resources is going to fall. 358 00:18:46,694 --> 00:18:49,214 Speaker 1: Another knock on effect from the tariffs. We've already seen 359 00:18:49,254 --> 00:18:51,974 Speaker 1: that the US dollar has strengthen compared with the Australian 360 00:18:52,014 --> 00:18:55,574 Speaker 1: dollar in recent days. That's because people are anticipating that 361 00:18:55,654 --> 00:18:58,214 Speaker 1: with the tariffs, the tax cuts, and the deportation of 362 00:18:58,254 --> 00:19:01,574 Speaker 1: millions of undocumented workers, basically the US is going to 363 00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:03,894 Speaker 1: have to take on trillions of dollars of more debt. 364 00:19:04,174 --> 00:19:06,214 Speaker 1: That's going to mean that interest rates are going to rise. 365 00:19:06,294 --> 00:19:08,094 Speaker 1: And that's likely going to be a trend that will 366 00:19:08,134 --> 00:19:11,854 Speaker 1: see worldwide, and the Reserve Bank has been predicted that 367 00:19:11,974 --> 00:19:14,294 Speaker 1: it may raise interest rates by as much as a 368 00:19:14,334 --> 00:19:15,134 Speaker 1: point pretty soon. 369 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:18,814 Speaker 2: We have talked previously about just how much what happens 370 00:19:18,814 --> 00:19:21,574 Speaker 2: in the US influences us here in Australia, and I 371 00:19:21,614 --> 00:19:25,814 Speaker 2: think the question is whether the sentiment around this current 372 00:19:25,934 --> 00:19:29,054 Speaker 2: US election might follow us into the twenty twenty five 373 00:19:29,094 --> 00:19:32,854 Speaker 2: Australian federal election. And we have seen some movements from 374 00:19:32,974 --> 00:19:35,814 Speaker 2: the Liberal Party to reach out to Republican strategists and 375 00:19:36,054 --> 00:19:39,614 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's uses of words like you know, if you 376 00:19:39,814 --> 00:19:42,014 Speaker 2: feel like you're better off than you were four years ago, 377 00:19:42,054 --> 00:19:44,494 Speaker 2: which is something that Trump had said quite consistently through 378 00:19:44,494 --> 00:19:48,014 Speaker 2: his campaign. Why are we so influenced by what the 379 00:19:48,214 --> 00:19:49,854 Speaker 2: US does here in Australia. 380 00:19:50,334 --> 00:19:54,054 Speaker 1: I think it's because we're pretty similar countries. For a start, 381 00:19:54,254 --> 00:19:59,014 Speaker 1: we share migration and trade, and there's a constant flow 382 00:19:59,054 --> 00:20:02,054 Speaker 1: of people and goods between the two countries, where both 383 00:20:02,294 --> 00:20:07,934 Speaker 1: relatively young democracies who belong to the same organizations like 384 00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:12,694 Speaker 1: the OECD. And then I think that culturally we consume 385 00:20:12,734 --> 00:20:16,054 Speaker 1: a lot of American contents, so we're sort of bound 386 00:20:16,134 --> 00:20:18,894 Speaker 1: to go in the same direction as America, and a 387 00:20:18,894 --> 00:20:22,374 Speaker 1: whole lot of things. Generally, I think that Peter Dutton 388 00:20:22,374 --> 00:20:25,454 Speaker 1: would be crazy not to look at this election and 389 00:20:25,574 --> 00:20:29,974 Speaker 1: draw some lessons on how he can successfully fight Anthony 390 00:20:30,014 --> 00:20:33,534 Speaker 1: Albanesi in the next election. There are clearly these global headwinds, 391 00:20:33,574 --> 00:20:36,374 Speaker 1: not just in the US but globally. People are feeling 392 00:20:36,454 --> 00:20:39,654 Speaker 1: angry with the pandemic and with the post pandemic response 393 00:20:39,734 --> 00:20:43,054 Speaker 1: by their governments, with the fact that governments spent all 394 00:20:43,094 --> 00:20:45,814 Speaker 1: this money on trying to prop up economies during COVID, 395 00:20:45,934 --> 00:20:48,934 Speaker 1: and now people are facing the consequences of that out 396 00:20:48,974 --> 00:20:52,494 Speaker 1: of control government spending, and clearly Trump has found a 397 00:20:52,494 --> 00:20:55,294 Speaker 1: way to tap into that sense of anger and frustration. 398 00:20:55,894 --> 00:20:59,374 Speaker 1: I think it would only be natural or sensible to 399 00:20:59,494 --> 00:21:02,254 Speaker 1: look to the US for campaign strategies. 400 00:21:03,654 --> 00:21:05,814 Speaker 2: So, with all of us gearing up for another rosy election, 401 00:21:06,254 --> 00:21:09,734 Speaker 2: just how trumpy do our experts feel this upcoming Australian election. 402 00:21:09,774 --> 00:21:13,454 Speaker 3: Will be a lot happens in election campaigns now that 403 00:21:13,534 --> 00:21:17,134 Speaker 3: you don't sort of see the macro level. It's targeted 404 00:21:17,174 --> 00:21:21,854 Speaker 3: messaging online, through social media and through social media groups 405 00:21:21,894 --> 00:21:25,334 Speaker 3: and so forth to particular demographics and even right down 406 00:21:25,374 --> 00:21:29,494 Speaker 3: to particular voters. So I think we'll see a fair 407 00:21:29,574 --> 00:21:36,574 Speaker 3: bit of exaggeration, misrepresentation, hyperbole, sort of resentment harvesting as 408 00:21:36,614 --> 00:21:40,014 Speaker 3: a result of cost of living and other grievances that 409 00:21:40,054 --> 00:21:43,054 Speaker 3: people have. I don't think we can ignore that, but 410 00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:45,934 Speaker 3: it's going to be quite hard to see all of that, 411 00:21:46,174 --> 00:21:49,414 Speaker 3: and probably it won't all come just from Peter Dutton. 412 00:21:51,814 --> 00:21:55,534 Speaker 1: I don't see how Australia avoids these so called global 413 00:21:55,654 --> 00:21:59,694 Speaker 1: headwinds that have thrown governments out everywhere in the wake 414 00:21:59,774 --> 00:22:02,454 Speaker 1: of the pandemic and the spending that accompanied it. I 415 00:22:02,494 --> 00:22:05,214 Speaker 1: do think that the Liberal party here is going to 416 00:22:05,214 --> 00:22:08,014 Speaker 1: be looking closely at how Trump managed to assemble a 417 00:22:08,174 --> 00:22:12,814 Speaker 1: very diverse and very broad coalition, winning support from young 418 00:22:12,894 --> 00:22:15,254 Speaker 1: people in a way that we might not have expected. 419 00:22:15,254 --> 00:22:16,774 Speaker 6: Weeks that have had this idea. 420 00:22:16,494 --> 00:22:19,654 Speaker 1: For a long time that young people were naturally more progressive, 421 00:22:19,814 --> 00:22:23,774 Speaker 1: and trump selection has definitely put the lie to that idea. 422 00:22:24,014 --> 00:22:25,094 Speaker 6: So I would. 423 00:22:24,974 --> 00:22:28,494 Speaker 1: Imagine that the Liberals are looking for ways to bring 424 00:22:28,534 --> 00:22:31,454 Speaker 1: together people who maybe haven't even voted liberal before, who 425 00:22:31,454 --> 00:22:34,014 Speaker 1: don't think of themselves as liberal in the same way 426 00:22:34,054 --> 00:22:37,894 Speaker 1: that Trump has by appealing to this idea of you're angry, 427 00:22:37,974 --> 00:22:40,054 Speaker 1: You're frustrated, You're done with the mainstream. 428 00:22:40,094 --> 00:22:42,174 Speaker 6: You want to burn it all down. You're sick of 429 00:22:42,214 --> 00:22:43,574 Speaker 6: this system. 430 00:22:43,374 --> 00:22:47,054 Speaker 1: This neoliberal system that hasn't worked for you, and I 431 00:22:47,094 --> 00:22:49,614 Speaker 1: think that a populos turn is all but inevitable in 432 00:22:49,654 --> 00:22:50,574 Speaker 1: that kind of climate. 433 00:22:52,494 --> 00:22:54,174 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with 434 00:22:54,254 --> 00:22:57,054 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy 435 00:22:57,054 --> 00:23:00,174 Speaker 2: and our executive producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by 436 00:23:00,214 --> 00:23:01,014 Speaker 2: Tig and Sadler.