Speaker 1: May I have a question, a concern slash something to
Speaker 1: confront you with? You know, in your babble? I actually
Speaker 1: went and watched one in B do you watch that?
Speaker 1: I watch that. I got a news called B and
Speaker 1: Insta Babble is what I do when I babble on
Speaker 1: Insta OK, I accidentally played three times in a row.
Speaker 1: I watched that one. I went. Are people watching this shit?
Speaker 1: This is a kind of
Speaker 1: people want to watch and then you go sorry and
Speaker 1: then you sneezed again and I was like, and she,
Speaker 1: she looked at her engagement stats and saw the sneezing.
Speaker 1: All the comments were bless you, bless you. Good for engagement.
Speaker 1: But my concern is not only about your sneezing but
Speaker 1: you know, when you use a beauty blender, I've noticed
Speaker 1: this in meetings and I haven't said anything. I thought
Speaker 1: that the point of a beauty blender was that you,
Speaker 1: but when you do a beauty blender, you use it
Speaker 1: like you would use a brush and it bothers me
Speaker 1: because I think too much products getting on the blender,
Speaker 1: not enough on your face. I don't think it's efficient.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's my problem. I think that's the
Speaker 1: least of our problems. I know also, it's meant to
Speaker 1: be moist. It's meant to be moist and the people
Speaker 1: on Tiktok who show me how to do it, but
Speaker 1: I can never find water when I need to do it. It's,
Speaker 1: I'm in a rush, don't? It has been done. Look,
Speaker 1: we'll have to ask Lee Campbell or we'll have to
Speaker 1: ask the beauty. But I have a feeling it's a dab,
Speaker 1: not a life situation, but it's bothering me. I really
Speaker 1: love the way it feels on my face pounce. I
Speaker 1: think that's what the beauty people call it. The pounce.
Speaker 1: It's a cross between a press and a bounce.
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud. What women
Speaker 1: are actually talking about on Friday the 22nd of March
Speaker 1: with no added sneezing. I am Holly Wainwright. I'm Mia
Speaker 1: Friedman and I'm Jessie Stevens. And on the show today
Speaker 1: Australia is the babysitter dead. No, not like that.
Speaker 1: Also, Jessie and I finally watched some of the movies
Speaker 1: from the Oscars and we're gonna tell you what's worth
Speaker 1: your time and trying a new thing, a back disaster
Speaker 1: and the inevitable chat about color seasons. Yes, it's best
Speaker 1: and worst. Welcome to our Fun Friday show. But first Jessie,
Speaker 1: in case you missed it, I'm breaking the rules. I'm
Speaker 1: throwing in a Friday in case you missed it. There
Speaker 1: are four things you should know this weekend before putting
Speaker 1: on a load of laundry. If you're anything like me,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be doing a lot of laundry on the weekend.
Speaker 1: And I learnt rules. I like laundry. I think you
Speaker 1: might be good at it because Holly and I were
Speaker 1: just touching some of your clothes in the other room.
Speaker 1: And we were saying they're not destroyed like our clothes,
Speaker 1: we were choking them, sniffing them.
Speaker 1: We were saying they're just not destroyed.
Speaker 1: There's a woman named Laura de Barra and she's a
Speaker 1: laundry expert. She's written a book about it. I'll buy
Speaker 1: it for you for Christmas meal. It's about how to
Speaker 1: wash your clothes properly, which means that they'll last longer,
Speaker 1: color won't fade, they'll keep their shape and here are
Speaker 1: four tips. Genuinely did not know. The first is that
Speaker 1: when you put anything in your washing machine,
Speaker 1: you've got to do up the zipper. Did you know that?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that? Because if you don't do up
Speaker 1: your zipper, then it's open, the teeth are open and
Speaker 1: it's catching on your cottons and it's ruining your clothes.
Speaker 1: And it also probably changes the shape of it a
Speaker 1: little bit because it can get a little bit pulled
Speaker 1: out of shape. So part of that rule, the zipper
Speaker 1: is that all the buttons on any of your clothes
Speaker 1: need to be completely undone. Because
Speaker 1: otherwise, if they're done up then in the cycle they'll pull,
Speaker 1: you'll lose the shape from your shoulders and stuff. So
Speaker 1: buttons undone, but zip done up. What about if you've
Speaker 1: got metal buttons, like, on jeans? Oh, good point. Because
Speaker 1: I feel that that is somewhere in the middle of
Speaker 1: those two things. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. I doing them
Speaker 1: up now I think do them up. Ok.
Speaker 1: Cool. Wash as much as possible. A hot wash apparently
Speaker 1: fades the dye. I did know that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: That's one I knew. Number three fast wash. No, no. What?
Speaker 1: Horrific for clothes. It's horrific for the clothes because temperature
Speaker 1: is fast wash. The temperature is too hot. And apparently
Speaker 1: she talks about agitation on your fibers, right?
Speaker 1: And so when you put it in, it's like it's
Speaker 1: pulling all the fibers and when it's fast it's just pulling, pulling,
Speaker 1: pulling and like your clothes have just but sorry when
Speaker 1: you say fast, you don't mean quick in time. You
Speaker 1: mean fast spin I think? Is that what you mean?
Speaker 1: Because I've got like an express cycle. A very quick
Speaker 1: wash which is only 15 minutes and I don't see
Speaker 1: why that would make her sad. Does it go quicker
Speaker 1: than a normal cycle? Because it goes for 15 minutes?
Speaker 1: Not an hour. But is the actual cycling quicker? That's
Speaker 1: a different thing. That's like the speed of the spinning.
Speaker 1: Too many questions.
Speaker 1: Many questions just don't do it. I feel like the
Speaker 1: things you're telling me are raising more questions. OK. Well,
Speaker 1: number four is very clear. I have follow ups. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Go on. Are you two across where you're meant to
Speaker 1: put the laundry detergent and where you're meant to put
Speaker 1: the softener. Depends on your machine, doesn't it? According to Laura,
Speaker 1: I don't use softener. Oh, do you? No, I use,
Speaker 1: I use softener. Oh, I've got a friend who's obsessed with,
Speaker 1: don't know, deal that I don't use softer. So, what
Speaker 1: you have to do the detergent, some people are putting
Speaker 1: it on their far left hand side.
Speaker 1: Don't do that very bad. It's something prewashed something, something
Speaker 1: you're meant to put your detergent far right corner, that
Speaker 1: sort of last one and the mythical and then in
Speaker 1: the middle one and apparently that really matters because it's,
Speaker 1: when it's released into the wash, I have those holes.
Speaker 1: You definitely have those. We all have the same holes, holes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How come your clothes aren't shit? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: I think you separate things. I buy the new ones.
Speaker 1: Is the babysitter dead. I don't mean in a horror
Speaker 1: movie kind of a way, although more on that in
Speaker 1: a minute, I mean, teenagers making a bit of extra
Speaker 1: money around the neighborhood looking after the little kids if
Speaker 1: you think about it, certainly in American culture, but therefore
Speaker 1: has seeped into all our culture. The teenage babysitter is
Speaker 1: an icon used to be an icon, right?
Speaker 1: She's either tempting the dads who are looking at her
Speaker 1: in an inappropriate way in like schlocky daytime movies or
Speaker 1: she's being terrorized by a serial killer in horror movies
Speaker 1: like in Halloween or she's off solving mysteries in the
Speaker 1: babysitters club.
Speaker 1: But apparently they are disappearing. And an essay in the
Speaker 1: Atlantic called Don't Tell America. The babysitters dead by Faith
Speaker 1: Hill explored why. Actually the neighborhood babysitter is a thing
Speaker 1: of the past and here are a couple of theories
Speaker 1: why that's true.
Speaker 1: One of them is that we no longer think teenagers
Speaker 1: are responsible enough to be able to look after Children
Speaker 1: and where we may once have thought that a 12
Speaker 1: year old could probably look after a younger child. Now,
Speaker 1: people generally think a 12 year old needs a babysitter.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. There used to be a kind of
Speaker 1: specific sort of age bracket that we gave to babysitters.
Speaker 1: And it's in this article,
Speaker 1: li um historian of Childhood explains it by saying that
Speaker 1: around 12 or 13, often if you were having a
Speaker 1: babysitter come, you'd probably put the kids to bed or
Speaker 1: very close to and maybe even stock the fridge with
Speaker 1: a few snacks for the babysitter. And she says they
Speaker 1: recognized that she was grown up enough to be an
Speaker 1: extra eye in the home,
Speaker 1: but childlike enough to go looking for snacks. And it's true, right?
Speaker 1: That kind of particular era. Another theory is that our
Speaker 1: communities have changed. So if your babysitter was, as she
Speaker 1: very often was, and I certainly was when I was
Speaker 1: babysitting your friend's daughter. So a kid you've been watching
Speaker 1: grow up over years, maybe the world's not like that now.
Speaker 1: And you don't have those kind of close relationships with
Speaker 1: your friend's kids because you're more likely to socialize with
Speaker 1: them separately.
Speaker 1: Another thing is we're more anxious about all the things
Speaker 1: that might go wrong. So I asked in the out
Speaker 1: loud as Facebook group about whether or not the babysitter
Speaker 1: was dead here. One person wrote, yes, I won't have
Speaker 1: someone babysit unless they can do CPR and are an adult.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want the trauma on a child if something happened.
Speaker 1: And another person said I would, if I had teens,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let them sit for other people's Children because
Speaker 1: if anything went wrong, there would be no end to
Speaker 1: the fallout. So we're all helicoptering. The babysitters being the
Speaker 1: teens as well as helicoptering the Children being babysat. Exactly.
Speaker 1: And then another theory is that parents just go out less,
Speaker 1: which is partly money, of course, but this is a
Speaker 1: bigger picture than recent cozy living pressures.
Speaker 1: Parents have more fun things to do at home. We're
Speaker 1: cocooning with our technology and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So the sort of stereotype that we've seen in lots
Speaker 1: of movies, which is at least once a week. Mom
Speaker 1: and dad might go out. And when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: my parents went out every Friday night, they went to
Speaker 1: the pub with their friends, every Friday night and we
Speaker 1: had babysitters and my parents were teachers. So they had
Speaker 1: like a never ending because my mom taught like sixth
Speaker 1: form kids. So like 16 to 18,
Speaker 1: we had a never ending stream of 16 to 18
Speaker 1: year olds who would look after us on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: And they're saying that these days parents are less likely
Speaker 1: to have that kind of regular schedule.
Speaker 1: What do we think? I have a few theories about
Speaker 1: what's happened. The first was actually brought up in that
Speaker 1: Jonathan height article we talked about recently, which was about
Speaker 1: globalization and the effect of a 24 hour news cycle
Speaker 1: and getting every story delivered to us all the time.
Speaker 1: And apparently this started changing in say the 19 eighties
Speaker 1: where every time something horrible happened
Speaker 1: to a kid, we heard about it. And so the
Speaker 1: sense of danger is a lot more imminent and even
Speaker 1: the CPR thing, right? It's great to have someone looking
Speaker 1: after your kid who, who can do CPR. But our
Speaker 1: sense that that would need to happen is statistically disproportionate
Speaker 1: because we've all heard that horror story or we've all
Speaker 1: heard the horror story about the teen babysitter that does
Speaker 1: something wrong. The other thing that people
Speaker 1: are really, really conscious about is any sort of sexual abuse.
Speaker 1: Like I haven't heard a horror story about a teenage
Speaker 1: babysitter that's just something going like, and I know that
Speaker 1: fear especially, you know, with little little kids is high
Speaker 1: but the fear that your baby or that your child
Speaker 1: will choke or knock their head or have some like
Speaker 1: health catastrophe.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was as present a generation or
Speaker 1: two ago because we weren't being bombarded with parental anxiety
Speaker 1: was not as high as it is now, not as widespread.
Speaker 1: The other thing I think is happening is that it's
Speaker 1: a result of this sense that you can't look
Speaker 1: after kids unless you have a qualification. So because of
Speaker 1: the professionalization of the child educator industry, there's a sense
Speaker 1: now that you do need to have done the courses
Speaker 1: and you do need to have all the training in
Speaker 1: order to look after kids. And that wasn't necessarily the
Speaker 1: case all those years ago.
Speaker 1: And the other is that the working mums, I know
Speaker 1: we know that if you are living in a city,
Speaker 1: then most of the time you need both parents working
Speaker 1: when working moms aren't at work, they feel like they
Speaker 1: have to be at home. So even I'm finding the
Speaker 1: time that I get with Luna feels so and you know, again,
Speaker 1: that's little kids, but it feels like I almost can't
Speaker 1: go out on a Friday or a Saturday night because
Speaker 1: that's the not the only time, but that's the time
Speaker 1: that I get with her. Same with single parents because
Speaker 1: you're a single parent and you're sharing custody,
Speaker 1: you don't want to get a babysitter on the night
Speaker 1: you've got your kids or your partner might give you
Speaker 1: a hard time or you're trying to save money or
Speaker 1: you'll just go out on the nights that you don't
Speaker 1: have your kids. So, it's interesting because in the out
Speaker 1: loudest Facebook group, lots of people said that they did
Speaker 1: still use teenage babysitters in specific situations, right? So people
Speaker 1: say that if you think about this idyllic, you know,
Speaker 1: the American movie stereotype of the idyllic suburban neighborhood,
Speaker 1: then it works really well because they're usually your neighbors,
Speaker 1: they live nearby. So like one out louder writes teenage
Speaker 1: neighbors are the best babysitters. They're keen, they're affordable and
Speaker 1: you can walk them safely back home across the street
Speaker 1: or next door. If you've had a few drinks and
Speaker 1: crucially their own parents are usually home. So there's
Speaker 1: this added safety net. So it can be if something
Speaker 1: did go wrong, they could call and mom could be
Speaker 1: there in a minute. But I have another theory which
Speaker 1: is also, it's about if we think that they're very
Speaker 1: often female teenage babysitters, it's about the idea of possibly
Speaker 1: exposing them to adults that you don't know, like fear
Speaker 1: of that because some people said I'd let my 14
Speaker 1: year old daughter babysit for people. I know, but I'd
Speaker 1: never let her babysit for strangers. And again, to that
Speaker 1: thing of us all being very panicky about stuff.
Speaker 1: Again, from those movies, the dad drives the teenage girl
Speaker 1: home after the shift is finished or whatever. Now we
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, what if that something happens? Da, da,
Speaker 1: da da. And which obviously has happened in history. But
Speaker 1: should we all be afraid of that all the time?
Speaker 1: I wonder what's lost because I
Speaker 1: used to babysit all the time when I was a
Speaker 1: teenager and sometimes I did stupid things. Like I let
Speaker 1: kids stay up too late. I'd let them watch a
Speaker 1: horror movie. I would, you know, do all kinds of
Speaker 1: things you weren't supposed to do but, you know, no harm,
Speaker 1: no foul. I don't think anything really bad happened. I'd
Speaker 1: sneak my boyfriend in, you know, I'd raid their cupboards.
Speaker 1: But again, like, this is all just silly teenage stuff
Speaker 1: that
Speaker 1: I don't know if we just lost the tolerance for imperfection,
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah. I only babysat a couple of times
Speaker 1: when I was little because I just found it boring.
Speaker 1: I did it mostly for the snacks because my parents
Speaker 1: never had good snacks. So I'd go and I'd just
Speaker 1: look for snacks, but I wasn't that interested and it
Speaker 1: didn't serve me well when I had Children because I
Speaker 1: had no experience. I hadn't babysat. I had never looked
Speaker 1: after I'd never changed a nappy. I'd never looked after
Speaker 1: anyone's child. It also depends how old your kid is. Right.
Speaker 1: Because if your kid's a certain age
Speaker 1: they can tell you. I hated having babysitters. We never
Speaker 1: had young babysitters. I would have liked that. We always
Speaker 1: had older babysitters. They were old and like, mother and
Speaker 1: grandmother types. They were not fun. Yeah, that's the other thing. Right,
Speaker 1: is that because of
Speaker 1: university, if you had the choice about getting a 13
Speaker 1: year old babysitter or a 23 year old babysitter who's
Speaker 1: finishing a university degree and also needs some casual work.
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna choose a 23 year old. So this
Speaker 1: delayed adulthood where people are doing more casual work for
Speaker 1: longer also means that
Speaker 1: there are more people that are potentially able to do it.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there going, I grew up on the
Speaker 1: babysitters club, read it all the time. They were 13,
Speaker 1: there was one of them that was 1111, lots of
Speaker 1: people said in the out loudest group, they said that they,
Speaker 1: when they were young and I certainly did this, they
Speaker 1: looked after little babies and now they've got b
Speaker 1: yeah, like I couldn't imagine letting a 14 year old
Speaker 1: look after them. But again, this is just all this
Speaker 1: fear and panic because personally I'm a big believer that
Speaker 1: parents should go out. Like, I think parents have to
Speaker 1: have lives outside of their kids. It was modeled to me,
Speaker 1: I guess. So. I, with my parents and their Friday
Speaker 1: night and the takeaway and they'd go out and they'd
Speaker 1: be a bit. But like, I think it's important you
Speaker 1: gotta have a life. You can't sacrifice everything for your kids. Right.
Speaker 1: And it's really expensive to go out. And so hiring
Speaker 1: a 23 year old, she's going to get paid a
Speaker 1: lot more money than a 14 year old. A 14
Speaker 1: year old will do it for a little bit of
Speaker 1: pocket money to put on the data on her phone
Speaker 1: or to buy, well, actually, probably a really expensive serum
Speaker 1: at Mecca.
Speaker 1: But, you know, a proper professional is going to put
Speaker 1: 100 100 and $50 on your going out bill and
Speaker 1: you are not going to go out. We're losing a
Speaker 1: lot of things by being. So
Speaker 1: if it's true that we are being much more afraid
Speaker 1: of that, obviously, with the parameters of safety, it's funny
Speaker 1: now that we think 14 year olds couldn't possibly look
Speaker 1: after a four year old is in the same way
Speaker 1: that we look at 20 year olds and go, they're
Speaker 1: not adults, but they are, you know, but the people
Speaker 1: who are qualified childcare professionals, the people who've done their
Speaker 1: baby first aid courses and have those kinds of qualifications
Speaker 1: and have a lot of experience looking after Children.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be casual babysitters. They are in
Speaker 1: demand for full time work. They might work in daycare
Speaker 1: centers and childcare centers. And so you kind of got
Speaker 1: to take what you can get has been my experience
Speaker 1: when I was looking for babysitters.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if people live close, the advantage is
Speaker 1: that you don't have to drive them home because that
Speaker 1: is really difficult. The point of going out is you
Speaker 1: might have had a couple of drinks and the worst
Speaker 1: is when you get home and then you've got to
Speaker 1: go all the way back out again and drive someone home.
Speaker 1: But also every parent tries to have a little roster
Speaker 1: of people. The good thing about young teenagers is that
Speaker 1: they can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: So it's not like they've got a social life so
Speaker 1: they're more likely to be free. Whereas, yeah, you sort
Speaker 1: of gotta not take what you can get. But there's
Speaker 1: a reason why I agree with you. Holly, that if
Speaker 1: we disqualify all middle aged teenagers from babysitting the slim pickens,
Speaker 1: we're all stuck at home.
Speaker 1: Hello, babysitters Club, Saturday afternoon. We'll get right back to you.
Speaker 1: The weekend is almost upon us. So we are setting
Speaker 1: you up with a list of recommendations for you. Enjoy.
Speaker 1: We are gonna start Holly and I are basic bitches
Speaker 1: and we decided this week that we would watch our
Speaker 1: Oscars movies. We share them out and then tell each
Speaker 1: other whether they should say it. Mia You can't sit
Speaker 1: through a movie. We can't. Um, I saw Anatomy of
Speaker 1: a fall. I need you to be priest. Tell me everything.
Speaker 2: Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I think you fell off
Speaker 1: the third floor. The windows opened,
Speaker 1: the autopsy report is inconclusive.
Speaker 1: An accidental fault is gonna be hard for us to defend.
Speaker 1: That's why there's an investigation for a more suspicious death
Speaker 1: because you were the only person there
Speaker 1: and of course you're his wife.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 1: I did not kill him.
Speaker 1: That's not the point. It won the Academy Award for
Speaker 1: that one with the dog original screenplay. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: the dog that was clapping through the award. Why can't
Speaker 1: I stream it? I saw it at the movies but
Speaker 1: it is currently on prime video. I think you've got
Speaker 1: to pay to watch it. Oh, my goodness. It is so,
Speaker 1: so good. It is a French legal
Speaker 1: drama. So it takes place in a French courtroom which
Speaker 1: was very interesting because it's completely different to a British
Speaker 1: or American. The whole system is different the way they
Speaker 1: cross examine people, everything. But this is a premise. So
Speaker 1: main character is Sandra. This is confusing because her real
Speaker 1: name is also Sandra, but she's a novelist. It begins
Speaker 1: with this bizarre opening scene where she is being interviewed
Speaker 1: by a journalist, but the journalist can't hear her. She's
Speaker 1: in her home because her husband is playing music really
Speaker 1: loudly upstairs as though he kind of doesn't want the
Speaker 1: interview to happen.
Speaker 1: And then her son who is partially blind, he's about 12,
Speaker 1: goes for a walk around the block. The journalist has
Speaker 1: left and by the time he gets back to the home,
Speaker 1: his father has seemingly fallen from the third story of
Speaker 1: the house. And is laying dead out the front.
Speaker 1: And so you wonder if the mother had anything to
Speaker 1: do with it, how he ended up like that. And
Speaker 1: then audio is released of a fight that had the
Speaker 1: day before. So a lot of it, no, it's actually
Speaker 1: in English, a lot of it is in English, they
Speaker 1: speak English to each other at home. But parts are
Speaker 1: in French and subtitle. But the best scene which Holly
Speaker 1: you will love is this scene of the fight that
Speaker 1: they kind of replay, which is about marriage, mental load,
Speaker 1: parenting and time.
Speaker 1: And it's about whether when you wanna do something, you're
Speaker 1: stealing time from the other person. And it's this inversion
Speaker 1: of gender roles because she's wanting to write and he
Speaker 1: wants to write and every time she's writing, apparently he's
Speaker 1: stealing time from her.
Speaker 1: It was one of the most perfect scenes in a
Speaker 1: film I have ever seen. But do you mean if
Speaker 1: she wants to write? She's stealing time from him because
Speaker 1: he has to look after the child? Yes. Right. Can
Speaker 1: you blame your partner for all the things you never did?
Speaker 1: Because they didn't, what present you with the time? So
Speaker 1: just the idea was of time was amazing. And is
Speaker 1: it set in like modern day, like in France? And
Speaker 1: it's happened in this sort of chalet?
Speaker 1: So Sandra Hula who is in anatomy, a fall is
Speaker 1: also in zone of interest. So she's been nominated for
Speaker 1: best actress in two films this year. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: that yet. That's this weekend, that's, this weekend we'll watch
Speaker 1: zone of interest. So, oh, my goodness. You must watch it.
Speaker 1: It is brilliant. You would love it. You love it.
Speaker 1: So then does it follow the court case? It follows
Speaker 1: the court case and it's all about guilt and innocence
Speaker 1: and it all ends up 12 year old boy. What
Speaker 1: did he see? What didn't he see? Moral dilemma?
Speaker 1: Oh, nice. Love it. All right. So I watched American
Speaker 1: fiction which won the best Oscar for best adapted screenplay,
Speaker 1: Monk. Your books are good but they're not popular
Speaker 1: editors. They want a black book. They have a black book.
Speaker 1: I'm black and it's my book. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Look at what they publish, look at what they expect
Speaker 1: us to write.
Speaker 1: I just want to rub their noses in it.
Speaker 1: I'd be standing outside in the night. Dead beat dads,
Speaker 1: rappers crack. You said you wanted black stuff? That's black, right?
Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. It's so good. It's about
Speaker 1: a writer. I wonder why so many movies about writers?
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it because writers write them and etcetera. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the guy who won the Oscar, he wrote it, he
Speaker 1: directed it. He was one of the producers, he's called
Speaker 1: C Jefferson, right? And it's based on a book. But
Speaker 1: the premise of it is there is a writer. He
Speaker 1: is played by Jeffrey wright. You've seen him in lots
Speaker 1: of things. When you see him, you'll be like that guy.
Speaker 1: He is a writer and an academic, a black writer
Speaker 1: and academic. Right?
Speaker 1: And his books are kind of well respected but not
Speaker 1: very successful. And his agent keeps giving him the feedback.
Speaker 1: They want a black book and he's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: black and it's my book. So it is a black
Speaker 1: book and they're like, no, they want a black book
Speaker 1: and what he means is and what the main character
Speaker 1: who's called Monk. His nickname is Monk
Speaker 1: discovers. And what frustrates him enormously about culture is that
Speaker 1: everybody's saying they want a black book, but they want
Speaker 1: a very specific kind of black book. They want a
Speaker 1: black book about the ghetto and about, you know, drug
Speaker 1: dealers and moms and somebody gets shot and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: that's what they want. And he is tormented by this
Speaker 1: woman who's played by Sa ra who um is at
Speaker 1: the top of the charts at the minute because she's
Speaker 1: written that kind of a book and
Speaker 1: comedy and he's an academic and he comes from a
Speaker 1: middle class family and the subplot is all about his
Speaker 1: family and it's really, really interesting in itself. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so in a fit of rage one day, he writes
Speaker 1: the stereotypical parody book and he sends it to his
Speaker 1: agent and he's like, see if those fuckers will publish this.
Speaker 1: And he's kind of joking
Speaker 1: but of course, I love it. He gets like a
Speaker 1: $4 million movie deal and all this and he hates
Speaker 1: it and he's so tormented and he tries to get
Speaker 1: them to unpublished it by. He poses that he's like,
Speaker 1: not really a middle class black academic, but he's a guy,
Speaker 1: a fugitive on the run and all this stuff and
Speaker 1: he's talking to the publishers and he's, he's saying,
Speaker 1: you know what? I want to change the title. I
Speaker 1: just want to call it fuck. And he's like, that'll
Speaker 1: stop him. And then they're like, that's great. It's just
Speaker 1: so funny. It's so clever. It's so great. It says
Speaker 1: a lot. But without it being like a film, there's
Speaker 1: such a good bit in it where he ends up
Speaker 1: on a panel of literary awards and he, and this
Speaker 1: array are the only two black writer on it.
Speaker 1: And this fake book that he's written is, is nominated
Speaker 1: and all the white people on the panel want to
Speaker 1: vote for it. And both him and Issa's character are like,
Speaker 1: but it's shit and they just keep saying, but it's
Speaker 1: so important. We listen to African American voices and the
Speaker 1: two African American people on the panel are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. It's so clever. It's short, it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's called American Fiction and it's real, real. Where can
Speaker 1: I watch that? That's on Amazon Prime video. It's really good.
Speaker 1: The Family subplot is also great.
Speaker 1: That's that for me, got something to read in between
Speaker 1: watching your movies, maybe an interval. It is a story
Speaker 1: that went viral a couple of weeks ago from New
Speaker 1: York magazine and it's called How I got scammed out
Speaker 1: of $50,000. Now, I would normally not read this story
Speaker 1: but quite a few people that I follow recommended it.
Speaker 1: It's subtitled the day I put $50,000 in a shoe
Speaker 1: box and handed it to a stranger. I never thought
Speaker 1: I was the kind of person to fall for a scam.
Speaker 1: It's written by a woman called Charlotte Cows and she
Speaker 1: is actually a financial journalist. She starts this piece about
Speaker 1: how she fell victim to this scam by writing when
Speaker 1: I've told people this story, most of them say the
Speaker 1: same thing. You don't seem like the type of person
Speaker 1: this would happen to
Speaker 1: what they mean is I'm not senile or hysterical or
Speaker 1: a rube. But these stereotypes are actually false. Younger adults.
Speaker 1: Gen Z millennials and Gen X are 34% more likely
Speaker 1: to report losing money to fraud compared with those over 60.
Speaker 1: According to a recent report from the Federal Trade Commission
Speaker 1: in the US. Another study found that well educated people
Speaker 1: or those with good jobs were just as vulnerable to
Speaker 1: scams as everyone else. What's amazing about this story is
Speaker 1: that it's this woman. She lives in an apartment in
Speaker 1: New York. She's a freelance writer. She's got a number
Speaker 1: of good jobs. She's actually a finance writer for New
Speaker 1: York magazine and she's got a young son and a
Speaker 1: husband and
Speaker 1: her day starts with a phone call and it's basically
Speaker 1: someone who claims to be from some official government agency
Speaker 1: saying that her bank details have been compromised.
Speaker 1: She actually starts the piece by saying after she said
Speaker 1: the stuff about, she doesn't seem like the person who
Speaker 1: would be sucked in by a scam. She says I'm
Speaker 1: standing outside my house with $50,000 of my savings in cash,
Speaker 1: which I have withdrawn from the bank and they're in
Speaker 1: the shoe box. A car drives down the street, the
Speaker 1: window winds down. I can't really see who's in the
Speaker 1: back seat. I thrust it at the person and say,
Speaker 1: please don't let them hurt my
Speaker 1: family and the car drives off and of course, she
Speaker 1: never sees the money again and none of this is
Speaker 1: a spoiler because she says this at the beginning. But
Speaker 1: she got that first phone call like in the morning
Speaker 1: and that was late in the afternoon and you go
Speaker 1: the screenplay waiting to happen. Well, it would be pretty
Speaker 1: boring because she's mostly just on the phone but
Speaker 1: on a computer. But you say how on earth could
Speaker 1: that happen? You must be such an idiot. And then
Speaker 1: she talks about what happens through the day and how
Speaker 1: this scam works. You know, some of the things that
Speaker 1: they use are really well proven techniques about brainwashing and,
Speaker 1: you know, like keeping someone on the phone, confusing them.
Speaker 1: Um By the end of the article, were you like,
Speaker 1: I would have done the same. Well, yes, I could see.
Speaker 1: And then there are points where her husband's like, hey,
Speaker 1: are you? Ok. And she's like, I'm fine
Speaker 1: and then she talks about the shame of the fact
Speaker 1: that she did that and, and how she didn't even
Speaker 1: want to write this piece because who will ever employ
Speaker 1: her again? Because it makes her seem like such an idiot.
Speaker 1: It was completely fascinating because you start by going never.
Speaker 1: And at the end you're like there. But for the
Speaker 1: grace of God go, I, these people are so, so
Speaker 1: so clever. We will put a link to all of
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Speaker 1: It's time for our best and worst moments where we reflect. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just burped back on the week. That was my worst.
Speaker 1: I've started back on no filter. I took a season off,
Speaker 1: Kate Langbroek was hosting the summer season. Loved that, loved
Speaker 1: having a break from the show. I'm back. I'm reinvigorated.
Speaker 1: My first episode drops on Monday.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to, I have to do two or
Speaker 1: three interviews in a week. I did two interviews actually
Speaker 1: in one day because when you're interviewing people, you have
Speaker 1: to just take when they're available. And also I do
Speaker 1: a lot of remote interviews, which is great because it
Speaker 1: means that I can interview people from all over the world.
Speaker 1: So I did two remote interviews in the same day.
Speaker 1: The first I had to interrupt the interview after about
Speaker 1: five or 10 minutes because the woman was wearing dangly earrings.
Speaker 1: It was this noise and I couldn't work out what
Speaker 1: it was. And I'm like, are you wearing bracelets? And
Speaker 1: she said no.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, it's your earrings and
Speaker 1: they were like banging and then she was doing something
Speaker 1: with a pencil case. Anyway, the second interview that I
Speaker 1: did a woman had just got home. It was in
Speaker 1: the US. She just got home from work and picked
Speaker 1: up her dog from doggy daycare and
Speaker 1: the dog, it was this big golden retriever and it
Speaker 1: just kept interrupting the interview. First, it was whining. Then
Speaker 1: she gave it a bone, then it was chewing the
Speaker 1: bone really noisily. Then she's like, I'm so sorry, I'll
Speaker 1: put it in the crate. Then she put it in
Speaker 1: the crate. Didn't like being in the crate my dog
Speaker 1: has been, that took it out of the crate, then
Speaker 1: it got a ball and it kept bouncing the
Speaker 1: all on the floor. Then she put it back in
Speaker 1: the crate. I reckon we had to start and stop
Speaker 1: the interview maybe six or seven times. Remember when home
Speaker 1: life did not interfere with work life back in the
Speaker 1: day these days. So I'm so out of practice. I'm
Speaker 1: so not much fit for doing this. But now we've,
Speaker 1: I've reminded my producer and I have started this list.
Speaker 1: So we're like, if you've got a pet, it needs
Speaker 1: to be put away, preferably medicated. If you are wearing jewelry,
Speaker 1: please take it off. If you have anything in the
Speaker 1: desk in front of you, please remove it
Speaker 1: anyway. So that was my worst. My best is that
Speaker 1: I got to sing. I got to sing and I
Speaker 1: got a dress fitting this week. Tickets go on sale
Speaker 1: today for Mamma Mia Out Loud Live presented by Nivea Cellular.
Speaker 1: This week we've had dress fittings, which has been my dream.
Speaker 1: It's been so fun and also recording for a special
Speaker 1: little treat that we've got. People have never seen Mia
Speaker 1: in what she is gonna be. I can't get over
Speaker 1: one of your costumes. It's so ridiculous. You've never looked
Speaker 1: so happy. I went running around the office. I was
Speaker 1: so thrilled and then we got to actually record like
Speaker 1: in a proper way in a proper studio. Like standing
Speaker 1: up like it was great. It was great. It was
Speaker 1: my best. I was like Taylor a lot. Like Taylor.
Speaker 1: My worst is that I, I've been having this awful
Speaker 1: back pain which anyone with a little, like a crawling
Speaker 1: baby will know that this is not a good time
Speaker 1: to be a person at the back. But I've always
Speaker 1: had this issue like this left disc, you know, y
Speaker 1: you slip a disk or whatever and I did it
Speaker 1: years and years ago and it's, I got to the
Speaker 1: point the other week where I was like, it's gonna
Speaker 1: go and I'm gonna be one of those people that
Speaker 1: can't move for two weeks. I better go get this
Speaker 1: checked out. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I ended up having to get a whole X ray
Speaker 1: and everything and they do this thing where they can
Speaker 1: draw a line up your body where your spine should
Speaker 1: be right? But they draw it up and by the
Speaker 1: time it gets to my head, it's my ear. Like
Speaker 1: that's how out of alignment I am. And it was
Speaker 1: so interesting. I saw this Cairo who said he was like,
Speaker 1: look at your T shirt and he showed me the
Speaker 1: way that my T shirt was sitting. And he said,
Speaker 1: if you look at all your photos, your T shirt
Speaker 1: will be sitting funny because one shoulder is so much
Speaker 1: higher than the other shoulder. And he said, even the
Speaker 1: waistband on what I was wearing will always be down
Speaker 1: at the front because I've got this pelvic tilt. Is
Speaker 1: this got anything to do with breaking your leg? It's
Speaker 1: got something to do with breaking my leg plus a pregnancy.
Speaker 1: But plus your pelvic, your pelvis. So he got me
Speaker 1: to stand on this scale where they work out how
Speaker 1: much weight's coming from each leg.
Speaker 1: And my left is taking like 4 kg more because
Speaker 1: I've learned to walk in a way that my right
Speaker 1: leg doesn't hurt and it's pushed my whole back out
Speaker 1: and it's just I am in so much discomfort. And
Speaker 1: I said to you and you can't get away from
Speaker 1: it when it's your back. You're never sitting right. And um,
Speaker 1: since I've had a baby, I've not been able to
Speaker 1: one night sleep on my side, I've got to sleep
Speaker 1: on my back because my hips are sore.
Speaker 1: Anyway. I feel relieved that when they fix it. That's
Speaker 1: my question. I think so. He thinks so. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that he sent me for this X ray because something
Speaker 1: I've just been a bit worried about. So he's going
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of, you know, crazy. Did he
Speaker 1: say your disc could fall out? He gave me some
Speaker 1: tips to make sure it won't. But what's hard is that,
Speaker 1: what would help is if I wasn't picking up 8
Speaker 1: kg 300 times a day, but that's not really working
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 1: My best. Look, you heard us a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: talk about color seasons. I got madly obsessed.
Speaker 1: You won't believe it. But I was wrong. I diagnosed
Speaker 1: some of us wrongly and this incredible, what's the color season?
Speaker 1: Not everybody is as deep down this role as a
Speaker 1: color season is basically everyone fits into one of the
Speaker 1: seasons and it's about your skin, hair and eye color
Speaker 1: and what colors suit you best. You should wear them.
Speaker 1: And it includes jewelry and makeup and all the things.
Speaker 1: Firm rules. It gives you rules and I love rules.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with rules. So we had Kim Crowley come in.
Speaker 1: She is an expert and she schooled us a
Speaker 1: three. We got so, so deep and she told us
Speaker 1: what made us look awful. I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: She told us what makes us look beautiful and Mia
Speaker 1: loved when she told us what made us look awful
Speaker 1: because Mia kept saying you do look disgusting. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1: I thought you're horrible in that color. We've got her
Speaker 1: coming up in an upcoming episode if you want to
Speaker 1: learn everything about it. I just, oh, it's so fun.
Speaker 1: I went shopping. Life changing. Holly. What you two are
Speaker 1: so invigorated by their colors. Ok. My worst is that
Speaker 1: in a bid to remember things because my memory is
Speaker 1: full of holes. I think it's menopause. I think it's life.
Speaker 1: I think it's whatever. I'm always taking notes on my phone. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I do that either in my notes app
Speaker 1: or in my Slack. That's what I do. We use
Speaker 1: this internal messaging system called Slack and you can send
Speaker 1: yourself messages all the time. And because I'm on there
Speaker 1: a lot for work, it's a good place to put
Speaker 1: my notes. Because if I put them in my notes app,
Speaker 1: I often don't remember to look in my notes app
Speaker 1: or I don't remember what I should be searching for
Speaker 1: my notes app of writing it on your hand.
Speaker 1: The problem is because my memory's so rubbish that then
Speaker 1: I scroll through my slack and there are just all
Speaker 1: these random words.
Speaker 1: I was looking today and it just said girls on
Speaker 1: the bus in capitals, all caps girls on the bus.
Speaker 1: I was like, what girls on what bus I'm like,
Speaker 1: is that something to do with some girls being mean
Speaker 1: to Matilda on the bus or that? And then it's
Speaker 1: a TV show that I'm meant to be watching. And
Speaker 1: then I'd written Lorn Dike in.
Speaker 1: I was like, is that somebody's name? But actually I've
Speaker 1: gone down like a native lawn rabbit hole and it's
Speaker 1: about a seed called Di Chondra. Like I just, and
Speaker 1: then I 75 H in big letters. I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: 75 H and I was like, what I'm meant to
Speaker 1: be sitting on at a concert.
Speaker 1: I still don't know what that was about. Holly. I
Speaker 1: think it's a Sagittarius thing. Because I was saying that
Speaker 1: I was going through mine and mindset in capital letters 27th.
Speaker 1: And it was clear that something is happening on the 27th.
Speaker 1: That's important to me. And then, and then what you
Speaker 1: do is you check your, all your messages. I was
Speaker 1: searching my phone couldn't find it anywhere. But clearly I
Speaker 1: was like, you need to put this in a diary somewhere.
Speaker 1: But what diary and where am I going? It's a mess.
Speaker 1: This is my worst. My life is a mess. My
Speaker 1: best related to what we were talking about on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I spent the morning in a dance rehearsal. Oh my God.
Speaker 1: Our lives have become so weird for this period, like
Speaker 1: in a proper studio with like mirrors and, and a
Speaker 1: proper choreographer. Not just me telling you
Speaker 1: I just stepped up at home. Of course, I didn't
Speaker 1: all about it. I couldn't find when I got there
Speaker 1: and she had you watched the video. I was like
Speaker 1: searching my notes that 75 8 probably had something to
Speaker 1: do with it. Anybody knows
Speaker 1: the thing is though is it wasn't like whether it
Speaker 1: was good or not, but dancing around for an hour
Speaker 1: made me so happy. I came into the office afterwards
Speaker 1: and I was like high on this happy vibe and
Speaker 1: I just thought,
Speaker 1: well, obviously there's the exercise endorphin thing and there's the music,
Speaker 1: but it's like doing something different that you don't normally
Speaker 1: do it was just so fun and it made me think.
Speaker 1: I haven't done any of those dance workouts that are
Speaker 1: in the move up. They're my favorite ones to do.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I should do them because I
Speaker 1: used to do that MK Fit dance workout and I
Speaker 1: used to love it. But I've kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: when you just forget about something and then I was
Speaker 1: dancing around the studio.
Speaker 1: A right idiot. It's gonna be very amusing. Do you
Speaker 1: know funny story? You were the inspiration for those dance
Speaker 1: workouts on move because do you remember when you went
Speaker 1: through that phase? I don't know if it was during
Speaker 1: COVID but you were doing dance workouts on youtube in
Speaker 1: the Yeah. So we've got actually the choreographer who we're
Speaker 1: using does the dance workouts on move. And that was
Speaker 1: because of what you were doing, which is I that
Speaker 1: I've forgotten all about them.
Speaker 1: I should have written it in the back of your hand.
Speaker 1: I should, I have a friend who's very much wants
Speaker 1: to be head of the culture and she says that
Speaker 1: everyone's going to be doing dance classes in five minutes.
Speaker 1: She thinks it's the next frontier of exercise. There's all
Speaker 1: this research that has come out about fun. It's fun.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel good, mental health, body cardio, all
Speaker 1: of that. But it has the thing for it to
Speaker 1: be fun. And this is why I used to love
Speaker 1: those ones I did in the garage
Speaker 1: is it shouldn't matter whether you're good or not because
Speaker 1: obviously some people are better dancers than others and some can,
Speaker 1: are more flexible and some can point their toes and
Speaker 1: some can kick their legs high. Like if you take
Speaker 1: all that out of it, it's just the moving and
Speaker 1: the music and the fun. Like nothing makes you feel
Speaker 1: better out loud as we are so excited to see
Speaker 1: you at our live show, Mum Mia Out loud live
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Speaker 1: This is open to. Absolutely. Everyone are on sale right
Speaker 1: now. Head to the link in the show notes to
Speaker 1: grab them before they sell out before we go. Have
Speaker 1: you thought about your bucket list? A lot of people
Speaker 1: have a bucket list but do you have an anti
Speaker 1: bucket list yesterday? On our subscriber episode, we discussed the
Speaker 1: things we've tried, which we vow never ever to do again.
Speaker 1: Here's a taste
Speaker 1: skiing. I was gonna say skiing don't need to do it. No,
Speaker 1: I hate snow, snow's cold, it's wet, it makes you
Speaker 1: cold and wet that people don't talk about that enough.
Speaker 1: Not everybody looks like Victoria Beckham in her Chanel ski suit,
Speaker 1: hike a mountain. When I last hiked a mountain. I
Speaker 1: broke my leg and I got stuck at the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain. I would say getting rid of all
Speaker 1: my pubes. Same. Don't do that again. Did that one
Speaker 1: time with waxing many years ago, didn't like it.
Speaker 1: The funniest part is that at the top of all
Speaker 1: our list was the same thing and there was some
Speaker 1: concern that we could not broadcast that thing, but we are,
Speaker 1: we have to have a warning at the beginning. There
Speaker 1: is a link to that episode in the show notes.
Speaker 1: That is so funny. It's true. We all just looked
Speaker 1: at each other and went. Oh, you too.
Speaker 1: Oh dear. Ok. That is all we've got time for
Speaker 1: today and this week on Mamma Mia out loud. Thank
Speaker 1: you for being with us. Hopefully right now you are
Speaker 1: holding well, not your tickets. Cos that would be weird.
Speaker 1: The thing that says that you're coming to see us
Speaker 1: on our first shows. Let's hope that's the case. Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening to Australia's number one news and pop
Speaker 1: culture show. The episode was produced by Emmeline Gilles. The
Speaker 1: assistant producer is Charlie Blackmon with audio production by Leah Pies.
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