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Speaker 1: this bill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney

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Speaker 1: and I'm m Burnham. Coming up on the show today,

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Speaker 1: we have an update to Australia's Biggest Influencer drama as

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Speaker 1: we labeled it last week. But I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: very true. There's been more allegations, more backlash. Well, if

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Speaker 1: you're not a cross, it will explain it to you.

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Speaker 1: Plus or we've had a few more episodes of Married

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Speaker 1: at First Sight and one big drama has come out

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Speaker 1: that we need to talk about because I think it's

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Speaker 1: affecting our real lives. So we're going to get into that.

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Speaker 1: But first, but.

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Speaker 2: First, late last night, I was scrolling on Instagram and

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Speaker 2: I saw I kind of did you? I saw a

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Speaker 2: cover story as I was posted.

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Speaker 1: You're on the cutting edge of entertainment journal.

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Speaker 2: I think you're hearing it first from me. You heard

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Speaker 2: it last night. But Cosmopolitan magazine did a cover story

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Speaker 2: with Gracie Abrams. It was an exclusive interview and the

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Speaker 2: cover was so beautiful. She was just like standing there

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Speaker 2: gonna sounding that very like plain girl aesthetic with I

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Speaker 2: think it's her vibe, right, And it just said Gracie

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Speaker 2: Abrams quote, there's nothing I won't tell you. I spoilers alert,

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Speaker 2: there are somethings she wouldn't tell us.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, don't throw that out there, lest

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Speaker 1: you're actually going to tell us what it's like to

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Speaker 1: have sex with poor Messages exactly. That didn't make it

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Speaker 2: It actually did. Oh what Yeah, immediately clicked because I

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Speaker 2: was like, I have to learn about our shared boyfriend,

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Speaker 2: Paul mescal and I was very happy to learn a

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Speaker 2: lot about him. The entire interview was about dating, relationships,

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Speaker 2: Valentine's Day issue, and she didn't name him, but she

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Speaker 2: used a lot of words. I was like, in my

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Speaker 2: So you can only assume that most of the quotes

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Speaker 2: have been public in their relationship. I'm going to read

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Speaker 2: out a few quotes. Okay, these are my favorites. What

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Speaker 2: I love about a healthy relationship is that your life

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Speaker 2: doesn't radically change. You just fit into each other in

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Speaker 2: a way that feels positively challenging and deeply supportive. It's

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Speaker 2: like a place to land. Oh, I'm glad because we

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Speaker 1: That is good to hear. Also because I feel like

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Speaker 1: the rumors recently that they had that big fight, remember

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Speaker 1: how those photos came out. They're at dinner and someone

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Speaker 1: maybe one of them just had a bad day. Maybe

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Speaker 1: pauledn't like his pastor and he was upset. We don't know.

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Speaker 1: But then they were pictured together recently, like hugging, kissing

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Speaker 2: There was also which I'm really happy that the interview

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Speaker 2: So you have like anxious avoidance, secure and secure, the

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Speaker 2: one we all want to be a lot of us

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Speaker 2: a relationship. And I thought this quote was so telling

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Speaker 2: And I feel like this quote in particular, was her

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Speaker 1: I think if Paul and Daisy were going to date,

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Speaker 2: It's just about him constantly bringing up Daisy Edgar Jones

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Speaker 2: There was this one interview in particular where I'm like,

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Speaker 2: And he was like, that's a very inappropriate question, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer that. And I'm like any

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Speaker 2: then all the comments are like, it's because it's Daisy

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Speaker 1: Well, alway, is it because he thought that people might

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he doesn't want to tell a kids kid

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Speaker 1: But they don't talk about each other, like they don't

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Speaker 2: also annoying how fans are speculating she talked about like

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Speaker 2: her ex and how Taylor Swift helped her get out

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Speaker 1: So we're in week two of Married at First Sight,

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Speaker 1: and as with past seasons, where there's some villains emerging,

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Speaker 1: TV does in a really interesting ways. It holds a

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Speaker 1: When people always say for merrit at First Sight or

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Speaker 1: Obviously that's drawing a different boat what's happening on marriat

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Speaker 2: They just don't like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that whole thing. That's a really big conversation

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Speaker 1: I've seen is that people pointing out that for a

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Speaker 1: respectful men, which is lovely, Like what a lovely place

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Speaker 1: I can't relate. It must be nice not to be nice.

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Speaker 1: But so many women or you know, people are just

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Speaker 2: And you even see it with men who've been in

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh god, your ex was an asshole?

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Speaker 1: Yeah to everyone, Yeah, exactly. And it's something you do

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Speaker 1: That is wildly problematic. Why wouldn't you be sorting that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, which is I mean, no one's ever asked

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Speaker 1: me that exactly.

429
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, if you look at people who are

430
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Speaker 2: white and I could ask them the same question the

431
00:19:18,064 --> 00:19:19,744
Speaker 2: same people who ask me, I'd be like, have you

432
00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:22,344
Speaker 2: ever dated anyone who's not white? And they're like no,

433
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Speaker 2: And then yeah, like why are you asking me? Is

434
00:19:26,064 --> 00:19:28,944
Speaker 2: it like different because I'm brown. It's just like one

435
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Speaker 2: of those situations where I feel like, because he said

436
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Speaker 2: it's so blase A. It would have gone over so

437
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Speaker 2: many people's head, going, yeah, that's just fine, he's just

438
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Speaker 2: attracted to white people. And I feel like there will

439
00:19:37,784 --> 00:19:39,904
Speaker 2: be so many people watching that who think it's fucked

440
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Speaker 2: up without considering their own dating history exactly.

441
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Speaker 1: And that's what's so interesting about a show like Married

442
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Speaker 1: at First Sight is I think that both men and

443
00:19:46,384 --> 00:19:49,584
Speaker 1: women are so ready to jump on everything because you're

444
00:19:49,584 --> 00:19:51,904
Speaker 1: going into this primed of like, some of these will

445
00:19:51,944 --> 00:19:54,824
Speaker 1: be terrible people. They're gonna say terrible things. There's people

446
00:19:54,864 --> 00:19:57,184
Speaker 1: that are set up for us to like dislike, to

447
00:19:57,264 --> 00:19:59,944
Speaker 1: cause engagement online, everyone's so ready, and so so many

448
00:19:59,944 --> 00:20:02,504
Speaker 1: people were calling out Jake and calling out tim of

449
00:20:02,584 --> 00:20:04,464
Speaker 1: like how dare you talk about a woman's body size?

450
00:20:04,504 --> 00:20:06,664
Speaker 1: How do you talk about her race? And I always

451
00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:09,064
Speaker 1: think that's so interesting when I see these big conversations

452
00:20:09,064 --> 00:20:11,824
Speaker 1: blow up like online or in friendship groups, the people

453
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Speaker 1: you work with, and then you're out somewhere at a

454
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Speaker 1: pub or a lunch or something, and people will say like,

455
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Speaker 1: not exactly like explicitly racistly stuff like that, but stuff

456
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Speaker 1: are the same vein and no one that's an eyelid

457
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Speaker 1: because you call it out on TV it's like safe

458
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Speaker 1: to call out a villain and everyone hates, but it

459
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel safe to call it out your own friendship group.

460
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Speaker 1: But if you're not calling out your own friendship group,

461
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Speaker 1: what's the point of having married at first sight? Like

462
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Speaker 1: that's the whole point.

463
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Speaker 2: It's literally the whole point.

464
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Speaker 1: Point for us is ratings for the point for us

465
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Speaker 1: the first.

466
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Speaker 2: Sides teaching me about like cultural norms.

467
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Speaker 1: Be afraid.

468
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Speaker 2: So LB when I was away on the podcast, you

469
00:20:49,464 --> 00:20:52,584
Speaker 2: had Cassenya come in and you guys talked about I

470
00:20:52,664 --> 00:20:54,744
Speaker 2: was so annoyed that I couldn't be on this episode.

471
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Speaker 1: You were being a dirty trader and going to another pod.

472
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Speaker 2: Don't stop listen to biz little side plug. You both

473
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Speaker 2: talked about the biggest influence a few that is happening

474
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Speaker 2: in Australia right now, that it's probably the biggest influencer

475
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Speaker 2: feud we've ever had in the history.

476
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Speaker 1: This is exciting for us, So like go Australia. We're

477
00:21:15,784 --> 00:21:18,984
Speaker 1: always it's like the British influencers or the American influencers,

478
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Speaker 1: and we're at Harry and the Cole and finally we're

479
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Speaker 1: having the drama.

480
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Speaker 2: Turn now tend to shine, So you both talked about

481
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Speaker 2: everything that was happening with Mikayla Tester and Anna Paul.

482
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Speaker 2: So Anna Paul, if you don't know, is a massive

483
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Speaker 2: Australian influencer. She's huge on TikTok, She's huge on Only Fans.

484
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Speaker 2: There was a point where she was the biggest Only

485
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Speaker 2: Fans creator in the country. I think she might still

486
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Speaker 2: be only the biggest creator in the country. And Mikayla

487
00:21:45,264 --> 00:21:47,824
Speaker 2: Tester is also a big influencer, and they were really

488
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Speaker 2: close friends. So they were really close friends from I

489
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Speaker 2: guess childhood and they grew up together. Mikhayla Tester dated

490
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Speaker 2: Anna Paul's brother Attis Paul for a really long time

491
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Speaker 2: and they broke up in twenty twenty one, and then

492
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Speaker 2: we didn't really hear much from her. It was mainly

493
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Speaker 2: just Anna Paul gaining this massive amount of fame. Her

494
00:22:04,944 --> 00:22:06,984
Speaker 2: brother Adis would be in like all her videos. They

495
00:22:07,024 --> 00:22:10,864
Speaker 2: have a very close sibling relationship. And then you guys

496
00:22:10,904 --> 00:22:16,024
Speaker 2: talked about something breaking. Mikayla Testa posted a video which

497
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Speaker 2: was basically a big tell all on Anna Paul and

498
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Speaker 2: her family. A lot of accusations were mentioned in that video.

499
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Speaker 2: It was fat shaming, there was like Anna Paul faking

500
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Speaker 2: being poor when she was growing up, illegal giveaways, and

501
00:22:30,304 --> 00:22:34,544
Speaker 2: then some really serious allegations against her brother Attis. So

502
00:22:34,784 --> 00:22:37,904
Speaker 2: since that that video went absolutely viral, so many people

503
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Speaker 2: on socials were kind of on Mikayla's side, saying that

504
00:22:41,184 --> 00:22:43,504
Speaker 2: they knew there was something off with Anna Paul. People

505
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Speaker 2: were coming out with their own videos, Fans have come

506
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Speaker 2: out like talking about their experiences with Anna Paul, and

507
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Speaker 2: and I didn't say anything for like a few days

508
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Speaker 2: until a few days ago she posted a TikTok that

509
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Speaker 2: now has millions of views talking about everything that Mikayla

510
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Speaker 2: Testa alleged towards.

511
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Speaker 4: If I made a video addressing every time anyone say

512
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Speaker 4: anything bad about me, I would be posting all day long,

513
00:23:08,664 --> 00:23:10,944
Speaker 4: every single day, as would every other content created. That's

514
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Speaker 4: what the whole full you page will be filled with.

515
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Speaker 4: But I think we can all agree that this has

516
00:23:14,824 --> 00:23:16,904
Speaker 4: gotten a little bit big and a little bit much.

517
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Speaker 4: So now here I am and I'm never doing this again.

518
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Speaker 4: I don't address.

519
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Speaker 2: Stuff like this, but have you watched it?

520
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Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, I watched as soon as it picked up,

521
00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:26,784
Speaker 1: as soon as was posted on TikTok. I've watched it

522
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Speaker 1: twice just to really like, get watch.

523
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Speaker 2: I watched. I watched the first twenty seconds and like

524
00:23:31,864 --> 00:23:35,104
Speaker 2: were bored and kept scrolling though and then I was like, oh,

525
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Speaker 2: I should go back. This is my job.

526
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Speaker 1: But also, she's the biggest influence in Australia addressing a

527
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Speaker 1: huge situation, and it didn't. She didn't address everything as

528
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Speaker 1: the last thing.

529
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Speaker 2: You know why because the first few seconds of her

530
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Speaker 2: video was like, I'm going to talk about this, like

531
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Speaker 2: I don't usually talk about this. If I had something

532
00:23:52,064 --> 00:23:53,704
Speaker 2: to talk about, I'll be making video. Like she talks

533
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Speaker 2: like that, like very fast and very like.

534
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I'm saying on that front,

535
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Speaker 1: I'm talking fast.

536
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Speaker 2: And then she panned the camera around to show that

537
00:24:01,144 --> 00:24:02,944
Speaker 2: she was alone in the room and she said there's

538
00:24:02,984 --> 00:24:04,544
Speaker 2: no PR team, It's just me and my friend. I

539
00:24:04,584 --> 00:24:05,984
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, I can't work.

540
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Speaker 1: That's also a very classic influencer thing, is too when

541
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Speaker 1: they do theseologies or addressing controversy. At least she didn't

542
00:24:12,944 --> 00:24:14,824
Speaker 1: go in front of a poor wall, so at least

543
00:24:14,824 --> 00:24:17,304
Speaker 1: she was still showing that she was in her fabulous home.

544
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Speaker 2: And yeah, she didn't do Amelia Kuna stash yeah.

545
00:24:19,664 --> 00:24:22,024
Speaker 1: Exactly, or Adrew Barrymoor, anyone else who gets a poor wall.

546
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Speaker 1: She was like, no, this is my living room. But

547
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Speaker 1: it's very kind of a classic thing for an influencer

548
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Speaker 1: to be sitting on the floor and just having the

549
00:24:28,424 --> 00:24:31,744
Speaker 1: camera themselves and talking, because it then makes them look

550
00:24:31,784 --> 00:24:34,624
Speaker 1: more relatable, more relaxed. There can be like a sense

551
00:24:34,624 --> 00:24:36,984
Speaker 1: of innocence too, if they're just wearing like really comfortable

552
00:24:36,984 --> 00:24:38,064
Speaker 1: looking clothes and white.

553
00:24:38,104 --> 00:24:39,184
Speaker 2: So there's a method behind.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot. If you look at a lot

555
00:24:40,784 --> 00:24:44,944
Speaker 1: of influencer videos or apologies or addressing controversies, it's so

556
00:24:45,104 --> 00:24:48,024
Speaker 1: often just like straight camera, they've got makeup on, but

557
00:24:48,144 --> 00:24:51,104
Speaker 1: like not heavy makeup, often sitting on the floor, wearing

558
00:24:51,144 --> 00:24:53,584
Speaker 1: a pale color or a neutral color. It's all to

559
00:24:53,624 --> 00:24:56,184
Speaker 1: make the aesthetic look very calming, so that you're more

560
00:24:56,224 --> 00:24:57,864
Speaker 1: on their side and like more willing to hear what

561
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Speaker 1: they're going to say.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense to me.

563
00:25:00,744 --> 00:25:02,904
Speaker 1: So you need to do an apology video going forward? Yeah,

564
00:25:02,904 --> 00:25:03,384
Speaker 1: that's what you do.

565
00:25:03,464 --> 00:25:05,464
Speaker 2: I've got it, I've got my floor, got it ready.

566
00:25:05,944 --> 00:25:08,144
Speaker 2: So she talked a lot about like some of the

567
00:25:08,184 --> 00:25:11,904
Speaker 2: allegations that not just Mikayla said, but also, like fans

568
00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:15,904
Speaker 2: in general, a lot of the like serious stuff, including

569
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Speaker 2: like the allegations against Attis, she didn't mention at all.

570
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Speaker 2: She talked about like a few, like I guess, quote

571
00:25:23,184 --> 00:25:26,584
Speaker 2: unquote lighter things. One of the things that she talked

572
00:25:26,624 --> 00:25:30,784
Speaker 2: about was when Michaelas said that Anna isn't actually poor.

573
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Speaker 2: Her father earns like a triple average the Australian income

574
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Speaker 2: and she didn't grow up poor. This is what Anna

575
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Speaker 2: Paul said.

576
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Speaker 4: The second one is that I lie about growing up broke. Now.

577
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Speaker 4: I do not like about the fact that I grew

578
00:25:43,904 --> 00:25:45,904
Speaker 4: up broke. I when I say I grew up broke,

579
00:25:45,944 --> 00:25:48,304
Speaker 4: that is my experience. That is how I felt. When

580
00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:50,384
Speaker 4: I can hear my parents talking in the kitchen that

581
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Speaker 4: the budget for the groceries that week is thirty dollars,

582
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Speaker 4: it makes me feel broke when we kin'dt affords greuniforms.

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Speaker 4: It makes me feel broke when I'm eleven. When I'm

584
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Speaker 4: ten and all my friends can afford something and my

585
00:26:00,544 --> 00:26:03,504
Speaker 4: parents can't, it makes me feel broke when they say, oh,

586
00:26:03,544 --> 00:26:05,184
Speaker 4: I don't know how we're gonna afford rent next week.

587
00:26:05,224 --> 00:26:08,064
Speaker 4: That makes me scared. It makes me feel broke. That

588
00:26:08,104 --> 00:26:10,344
Speaker 4: does not mean that I was the most broke person.

589
00:26:10,664 --> 00:26:14,224
Speaker 4: There are definitely people in way worse situations than me,

590
00:26:14,304 --> 00:26:16,264
Speaker 4: But that does not mean that I'm lying about the

591
00:26:16,264 --> 00:26:19,064
Speaker 4: fact that I felt broke during those times. And of course,

592
00:26:19,904 --> 00:26:22,824
Speaker 4: because the Internet has going crazy, they are pulling up

593
00:26:22,864 --> 00:26:26,264
Speaker 4: photos of this was Ana's childhood home, showing photos that

594
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Speaker 4: I grew up in when I was already an adult

595
00:26:27,944 --> 00:26:31,144
Speaker 4: that I couldn't even imagine even going into when I

596
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Speaker 4: was like seven years old.

597
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Speaker 2: It's quite sad, like sitting, it's quite sad. But this

598
00:26:35,584 --> 00:26:38,024
Speaker 2: audio has gone completely viral.

599
00:26:38,344 --> 00:26:41,024
Speaker 1: I've seen on TikTok.

600
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Speaker 2: And it's not just the audio, but it's the way

601
00:26:42,664 --> 00:26:44,944
Speaker 2: it's like, it's very poetic the way she says that

602
00:26:45,024 --> 00:26:48,664
Speaker 2: particular phrase, like it makes me feel broke and like

603
00:26:48,704 --> 00:26:51,344
Speaker 2: a whole head and shoulders were drinking yeah, and she's like,

604
00:26:51,584 --> 00:26:54,384
Speaker 2: when we couldn't pay rent, it made me feel broke,

605
00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:57,224
Speaker 2: and I just have it stuck in my head. It

606
00:26:57,264 --> 00:26:58,864
Speaker 2: stuck in my head for the past two days. And

607
00:26:58,904 --> 00:27:02,424
Speaker 2: now my TikTok feed is full of like videos of

608
00:27:02,424 --> 00:27:05,304
Speaker 2: people using that audio with like caption. So I saw

609
00:27:05,304 --> 00:27:07,504
Speaker 2: this one that said when I had to take money

610
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Speaker 2: out of my savings accounter by yo Chi.

611
00:27:10,944 --> 00:27:14,664
Speaker 1: That's like her going. It makes me feel like I

612
00:27:14,664 --> 00:27:16,024
Speaker 1: had to turn the light on my phone in a

613
00:27:16,104 --> 00:27:18,104
Speaker 1: club to transfer money to buy a drink. It makes

614
00:27:18,144 --> 00:27:18,824
Speaker 1: me feel broke.

615
00:27:19,944 --> 00:27:21,624
Speaker 2: Me when I was age, my mom said no to

616
00:27:21,664 --> 00:27:27,384
Speaker 2: McDonald's on the way home, feel broke. So I don't

617
00:27:27,424 --> 00:27:30,104
Speaker 2: think that was really conveyed the way she wanted it

618
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Speaker 2: to be in Fay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a sign of her audience in

620
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Speaker 1: the online time. So I thincause the thing is so

621
00:27:35,104 --> 00:27:36,864
Speaker 1: many people who are posting about her, and we said

622
00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:39,224
Speaker 1: this last week when the allegations are coming out. Some

623
00:27:39,264 --> 00:27:42,504
Speaker 1: people have real concerns, but most people just want their

624
00:27:42,544 --> 00:27:44,584
Speaker 1: videos to show up in the algorithm, and so they

625
00:27:44,624 --> 00:27:46,224
Speaker 1: know this is a hot topic and if they just

626
00:27:46,264 --> 00:27:48,864
Speaker 1: say terrible things are Anna Paul or parody her, then

627
00:27:48,904 --> 00:27:51,104
Speaker 1: their videos will get more views. And like this one

628
00:27:51,144 --> 00:27:51,824
Speaker 1: really took off.

629
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Speaker 2: It took off. The one other thing she did mention

630
00:27:55,184 --> 00:28:00,384
Speaker 2: that everyone's talking about was that in Mikayla Tester's original video,

631
00:28:00,544 --> 00:28:03,224
Speaker 2: she talked about one time a fan came up and

632
00:28:03,344 --> 00:28:06,984
Speaker 2: asked Anna to take a photo to talk and in

633
00:28:07,264 --> 00:28:09,944
Speaker 2: Mikayla's video. She said that she didn't want to hug

634
00:28:09,984 --> 00:28:12,744
Speaker 2: the fan because she was quote fat and sweaty. This

635
00:28:12,824 --> 00:28:14,864
Speaker 2: is what Anna had to say about this situation.

636
00:28:15,224 --> 00:28:16,824
Speaker 4: So the first thing I want to address is that

637
00:28:16,904 --> 00:28:19,864
Speaker 4: apparently in twenty twenty one, a fan came up to

638
00:28:19,904 --> 00:28:22,464
Speaker 4: me and we hugged, and after she's walked away, I said,

639
00:28:22,464 --> 00:28:24,704
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, she was so fat and sweaty. Now,

640
00:28:24,824 --> 00:28:27,064
Speaker 4: I do not call my fans fat. That is not

641
00:28:27,104 --> 00:28:28,584
Speaker 4: who I am. That's not what I'm stadfle That's not

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Speaker 4: what I've ever stood for. But you you guys know

643
00:28:30,784 --> 00:28:35,344
Speaker 4: be sure that's not what I stample sweaty. However, I

644
00:28:35,424 --> 00:28:38,784
Speaker 4: may have called her sweaty because when somebody is wet

645
00:28:38,824 --> 00:28:40,224
Speaker 4: and they touch you and then they leave, and when

646
00:28:40,224 --> 00:28:41,824
Speaker 4: you're with your best friend and you are now wet

647
00:28:41,904 --> 00:28:43,304
Speaker 4: because of them, you may say.

648
00:28:43,184 --> 00:28:43,984
Speaker 1: I am now wet.

649
00:28:45,384 --> 00:28:52,424
Speaker 2: The whole video just feels very rushed, it feels very unorganized.

650
00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:54,384
Speaker 1: But I think that's I mean, this woman knows what

651
00:28:54,464 --> 00:28:57,504
Speaker 1: she's doing, like she's built up a whole online empire.

652
00:28:57,664 --> 00:28:59,544
Speaker 1: She's been in the game for a while now. I

653
00:28:59,544 --> 00:29:02,264
Speaker 1: don't think anything she would do would be just like

654
00:29:02,304 --> 00:29:04,064
Speaker 1: I think she wants it to look like I just

655
00:29:04,464 --> 00:29:06,504
Speaker 1: grabbed my phone and just quickly set a whole bunch

656
00:29:06,504 --> 00:29:07,864
Speaker 1: of stuff to set the record straight, and then I

657
00:29:07,904 --> 00:29:10,904
Speaker 1: took it. I don't think it was as rush and

658
00:29:11,224 --> 00:29:13,504
Speaker 1: like spur of the moment as it comes across. I

659
00:29:13,504 --> 00:29:16,224
Speaker 1: think there was like a lot of planning. Yeah, is

660
00:29:16,264 --> 00:29:18,664
Speaker 1: it so bad? But also that's her brand, That's how

661
00:29:18,664 --> 00:29:21,304
Speaker 1: she's always spoken, That's how she's always addressed her fans,

662
00:29:21,344 --> 00:29:23,104
Speaker 1: like that's the cadence of her voice.

663
00:29:23,184 --> 00:29:26,904
Speaker 2: But when about something serious, you should have more serious term.

664
00:29:27,024 --> 00:29:29,144
Speaker 1: But you still need to come across as the person

665
00:29:29,224 --> 00:29:31,904
Speaker 1: and the brand that your followers have fallen in love with,

666
00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:34,504
Speaker 1: and that's why she has millions of fans from that persona.

667
00:29:34,664 --> 00:29:35,744
Speaker 2: But it didn't work right.

668
00:29:35,744 --> 00:29:37,944
Speaker 1: And if she come across a completely different person that

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00:29:37,944 --> 00:29:40,104
Speaker 1: would have been jarring because then people would have said

670
00:29:40,264 --> 00:29:42,224
Speaker 1: she's been faking this online character.

671
00:29:42,584 --> 00:29:44,104
Speaker 2: So do you think there's no way she could have

672
00:29:44,144 --> 00:29:44,904
Speaker 2: done it correctly?

673
00:29:45,504 --> 00:29:45,664
Speaker 4: Oh?

674
00:29:45,744 --> 00:29:47,464
Speaker 1: No, I think there's definitely way she could have done

675
00:29:47,504 --> 00:29:48,944
Speaker 1: it a lot better than that. But I just think

676
00:29:49,064 --> 00:29:51,624
Speaker 1: that was a calculated movie just wasn't quite the right move.

677
00:29:51,784 --> 00:29:54,504
Speaker 1: But I also think the biggest thing that people have

678
00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:57,384
Speaker 1: jumped on her from is like obviously, like the people

679
00:29:57,504 --> 00:29:59,344
Speaker 1: just using the sound as a funny TikTok of like

680
00:29:59,384 --> 00:30:01,704
Speaker 1: I felt poor could have just been like a funny

681
00:30:01,744 --> 00:30:04,224
Speaker 1: little internet thing that burned hot and faster for a

682
00:30:04,224 --> 00:30:06,424
Speaker 1: few days and then went away. The reason why her

683
00:30:06,424 --> 00:30:08,664
Speaker 1: followers are still dropping and people are still upset is that,

684
00:30:08,704 --> 00:30:11,944
Speaker 1: as you said before, she didn't address the really serious allegations.

685
00:30:11,984 --> 00:30:14,504
Speaker 1: So the allegations against Atas, which obviously could also be

686
00:30:14,504 --> 00:30:17,024
Speaker 1: like a big legal thing, like potentially there's some reason

687
00:30:17,024 --> 00:30:19,744
Speaker 1: there she couldn't get into that. But also there was

688
00:30:19,784 --> 00:30:21,984
Speaker 1: the questions about the age of her followers and her

689
00:30:22,024 --> 00:30:25,584
Speaker 1: pushing them to OnlyFans, questions about running illegal lotteries. She

690
00:30:25,584 --> 00:30:27,624
Speaker 1: didn't address it in the video, but there's a comment

691
00:30:27,704 --> 00:30:29,984
Speaker 1: where someone was talking on her video about the age

692
00:30:29,984 --> 00:30:33,384
Speaker 1: of her followers and she's written, for anyone wondering, over,

693
00:30:33,504 --> 00:30:36,104
Speaker 1: ninety three point eight percent of my IG audience is

694
00:30:36,184 --> 00:30:38,384
Speaker 1: eighteen plus. So she's trying to say, like it's okay

695
00:30:38,384 --> 00:30:40,064
Speaker 1: to push them to only fans because there are adults

696
00:30:40,064 --> 00:30:42,984
Speaker 1: and that's adult content. But she didn't weigh in on

697
00:30:43,104 --> 00:30:46,024
Speaker 1: the illegal lottery accusations at all.

698
00:30:46,464 --> 00:30:48,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe exactly what he said, like there are legal

699
00:30:48,824 --> 00:30:52,064
Speaker 2: aalities behind it, but also with the attis thing, Like

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00:30:52,824 --> 00:30:55,424
Speaker 2: I'm surprised she didn't say anything on that because he

701
00:30:55,664 --> 00:30:58,024
Speaker 2: is like constantly in her video.

702
00:30:57,904 --> 00:31:00,184
Speaker 1: But like a joint brand, there are a joint brand.

703
00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:03,464
Speaker 2: And I think that is like wouldn't like from her perspective,

704
00:31:03,504 --> 00:31:05,624
Speaker 2: I would think that would be super damaging to just

705
00:31:05,664 --> 00:31:07,784
Speaker 2: have him. So maybe I don't know where where is

706
00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:09,784
Speaker 2: he also like I want to hear his video.

707
00:31:10,104 --> 00:31:12,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's probably a lot of stuff happening

708
00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:15,464
Speaker 1: behind the scenes because Mikayla Testa then posted a response

709
00:31:16,024 --> 00:31:18,664
Speaker 1: and she has said, Anna, please do not try and

710
00:31:18,664 --> 00:31:20,824
Speaker 1: paint me as a liar. She's like a written post

711
00:31:20,864 --> 00:31:23,264
Speaker 1: on her social media feeds. And then she said I

712
00:31:23,264 --> 00:31:25,304
Speaker 1: will come with receipts. Do not make me come on

713
00:31:25,344 --> 00:31:27,864
Speaker 1: here with it all. You said what you said in entirety,

714
00:31:28,184 --> 00:31:29,464
Speaker 1: And then she wanted to say, I thought we were

715
00:31:29,504 --> 00:31:31,704
Speaker 1: friends too, until your friends have come to me with

716
00:31:31,824 --> 00:31:34,584
Speaker 1: everything you've been saying about me the entire time. I've

717
00:31:34,624 --> 00:31:36,704
Speaker 1: reached out because I thought we were friends and we weren't.

718
00:31:37,064 --> 00:31:38,944
Speaker 1: You are fake and this doesn't cut it. I care

719
00:31:38,984 --> 00:31:42,064
Speaker 1: about children and you're extorting them, and she's deleted this.

720
00:31:42,144 --> 00:31:44,384
Speaker 1: I believe now she's saying she was going to post

721
00:31:44,424 --> 00:31:46,464
Speaker 1: all online, but then she said, I've now realized this

722
00:31:46,504 --> 00:31:48,464
Speaker 1: is a serious legal matter and so I need to

723
00:31:48,464 --> 00:31:51,024
Speaker 1: take things to the authorities before I post online. So

724
00:31:51,144 --> 00:31:53,104
Speaker 1: potentially there's more going on behind the scene.

725
00:31:53,184 --> 00:31:55,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also if you remember that they are quite young,

726
00:31:55,704 --> 00:31:58,464
Speaker 2: like they're both adults, but they're all quite young, and

727
00:31:58,584 --> 00:32:01,624
Speaker 2: it just feels like a very messy situation, which I'm

728
00:32:01,664 --> 00:32:03,424
Speaker 2: sure like all influencer feuds.

729
00:32:03,624 --> 00:32:05,344
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing too. There's they've obviously had a

730
00:32:05,344 --> 00:32:07,104
Speaker 1: long history together, and when you have a long history

731
00:32:07,144 --> 00:32:09,664
Speaker 1: with someone, there's a lot of back and forth and

732
00:32:09,744 --> 00:32:11,464
Speaker 1: like a lot of you know, a lot of baggage

733
00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:15,224
Speaker 1: that comes with that that shouldn't necessarily affect their audience,

734
00:32:15,264 --> 00:32:17,184
Speaker 1: but it's happening behind the scenes. At the same time,

735
00:32:17,184 --> 00:32:19,864
Speaker 1: they are really young, but they also have huge audiences,

736
00:32:20,224 --> 00:32:22,464
Speaker 1: They have huge amounts of money around them, they have

737
00:32:22,504 --> 00:32:23,864
Speaker 1: like the ability, you know what I mean, Like the

738
00:32:23,904 --> 00:32:26,824
Speaker 1: stakes are very high. So a lot of this feels

739
00:32:26,864 --> 00:32:29,424
Speaker 1: like a messy argument that two young women could have

740
00:32:29,504 --> 00:32:32,224
Speaker 1: as best friends and like formal like sisters in law,

741
00:32:32,264 --> 00:32:35,024
Speaker 1: almost except that's a million dollars, except millions of dollars

742
00:32:35,024 --> 00:32:39,224
Speaker 1: involved audiences, people's livelihoods, and like a global audience all

743
00:32:39,304 --> 00:32:41,744
Speaker 1: kind of watching an unfold to the stakes are a

744
00:32:41,744 --> 00:32:44,624
Speaker 1: lot higher than a usual Instagram squabble could be. But

745
00:32:44,664 --> 00:32:47,304
Speaker 1: then also this could really blow up into a big

746
00:32:47,384 --> 00:32:51,904
Speaker 1: legal issue if there's the accusations against ATAS are taken further,

747
00:32:51,984 --> 00:32:56,184
Speaker 1: all the accusations against a misconduct with data and lotteries

748
00:32:56,224 --> 00:32:57,984
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, Like it could like

749
00:32:58,024 --> 00:33:00,784
Speaker 1: it's all just allegation for the stage, but there could

750
00:33:00,784 --> 00:33:01,584
Speaker 1: be a lot more happening.

751
00:33:01,664 --> 00:33:03,864
Speaker 2: It definitely feels like a situation that isn't going to

752
00:33:03,944 --> 00:33:06,624
Speaker 2: just blow over. Yeah, so I feel like we're going

753
00:33:06,704 --> 00:33:09,944
Speaker 2: to have many updates to talk about. Thank you so

754
00:33:10,024 --> 00:33:12,224
Speaker 2: much for listening to The Spill today. The Spill is

755
00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:15,024
Speaker 2: produced by Kimblely Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik.

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Speaker 2: And we'll be back in your feed at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Bye bye, Hello, We see you lurking here right at

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Speaker 5: the end of our episode.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for staying right till the end.

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Speaker 2: So you know what, just for you, We've got a

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Speaker 2: little extra thing for you.

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Speaker 1: This week.

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Speaker 2: We had a big discussion about the Grammys, the biggest moments,

764
00:33:42,024 --> 00:33:44,624
Speaker 2: the moments that you might have missed, and our favorite

765
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Speaker 2: moments as well. It was such a fun episode to record,

766
00:33:48,184 --> 00:33:51,224
Speaker 2: so if you miss that, it's called Beyonce, Taylor, Swift

767
00:33:51,304 --> 00:33:54,104
Speaker 2: and all the Drama from the Grammys, please go back

768
00:33:54,184 --> 00:33:56,464
Speaker 2: and listen. We will also link that in our show notes.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye,