1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on. 5 00:00:25,264 --> 00:00:28,344 Speaker 2: From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 6 00:00:28,384 --> 00:00:32,344 Speaker 2: culture X. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Bretney Haha. 7 00:00:33,264 --> 00:00:38,464 Speaker 2: On the show today, we have the much anticipated brutally 8 00:00:38,544 --> 00:00:43,784 Speaker 2: honest review of Wicked Part one. We also have Weekend 9 00:00:43,824 --> 00:00:46,824 Speaker 2: Watch at the end, but first we need to give 10 00:00:46,864 --> 00:00:49,624 Speaker 2: you a little bit of some background of I guess 11 00:00:49,664 --> 00:00:51,864 Speaker 2: what do we call it? Wicked law? Would you say? 12 00:00:52,304 --> 00:00:52,584 Speaker 3: Yes? 13 00:00:52,744 --> 00:00:56,744 Speaker 1: Wicked law, which spans many, many, many decades. So if 14 00:00:56,744 --> 00:00:58,464 Speaker 1: you're not across the background, which it is, come to 15 00:00:58,464 --> 00:01:00,544 Speaker 1: my attention that a lot of people aren't, which is 16 00:01:00,784 --> 00:01:03,464 Speaker 1: you know, totally fine, this is your Wicked. 17 00:01:03,224 --> 00:01:05,744 Speaker 2: To the open door environment. Welcome. 18 00:01:05,784 --> 00:01:08,704 Speaker 1: He yes. If Wicked has taught us anyone anything, it's 19 00:01:08,744 --> 00:01:12,624 Speaker 1: that everyone is welcome where there a cat or a dog, 20 00:01:14,224 --> 00:01:16,424 Speaker 1: unless you go against the wizard and then you're ostracized. 21 00:01:16,704 --> 00:01:19,344 Speaker 1: So Wicked came out in two thousand and three, so 22 00:01:19,464 --> 00:01:23,304 Speaker 1: over twenty years ago, as a Broadway show starring Idina 23 00:01:23,344 --> 00:01:26,064 Speaker 1: Menzel and Christian Shaoweth. But before then it was a 24 00:01:26,144 --> 00:01:29,144 Speaker 1: very popular book series which came out in nineteen ninety five. 25 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:31,624 Speaker 1: So you've got the Wicked series, actually four books in 26 00:01:31,664 --> 00:01:33,824 Speaker 1: the series, which I'm not sure if people realize we 27 00:01:34,304 --> 00:01:38,144 Speaker 1: hold that thought. Okay, So you've got Wicked, which is 28 00:01:38,184 --> 00:01:40,304 Speaker 1: the first book which came out in nineteen ninety five, 29 00:01:40,344 --> 00:01:43,184 Speaker 1: and the full title is Wicked the Life and Times 30 00:01:43,184 --> 00:01:46,424 Speaker 1: of the Wicked Witch of the West, written by Gregory Maguire. 31 00:01:46,824 --> 00:01:49,464 Speaker 1: And then you have Son of a Witch which was 32 00:01:49,464 --> 00:01:52,984 Speaker 1: published in Son of a Witch, That Leer, which was 33 00:01:53,024 --> 00:01:55,664 Speaker 1: published in two thousand and five, A Line among Men 34 00:01:55,704 --> 00:01:57,624 Speaker 1: which came out in two thousand and eight, and then 35 00:01:57,624 --> 00:01:59,944 Speaker 1: the final book in the series, Out of Oz, which 36 00:02:00,024 --> 00:02:03,424 Speaker 1: was published in twenty eleven. So these are separate to 37 00:02:03,744 --> 00:02:07,144 Speaker 1: the original Wizard of Oz books written by Frank Elbam. 38 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:10,224 Speaker 1: So did you hear what I said, they're Frank Elbam. 39 00:02:10,784 --> 00:02:11,024 Speaker 4: Yeah. 40 00:02:11,224 --> 00:02:15,944 Speaker 1: So the writer, Gregory Maguire, was always very enthralled by 41 00:02:16,024 --> 00:02:19,104 Speaker 1: the story of the Wizard of Oz, both the original 42 00:02:19,104 --> 00:02:22,424 Speaker 1: movie with Judy Garland, but also the books. And you know, 43 00:02:22,464 --> 00:02:24,344 Speaker 1: there's a whole world around the Wizard of Oz that 44 00:02:24,384 --> 00:02:26,424 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Dorothy in the original books. 45 00:02:26,424 --> 00:02:28,904 Speaker 1: In that world, and he was always very kind of 46 00:02:28,904 --> 00:02:30,744 Speaker 1: taken with this idea of the Wicked Witch and the 47 00:02:30,784 --> 00:02:32,744 Speaker 1: idea that she was just evil because she was evil 48 00:02:32,744 --> 00:02:35,424 Speaker 1: and there was no backstory, and so he wrote the 49 00:02:35,424 --> 00:02:38,464 Speaker 1: books to kind of reimagine where her story would go. 50 00:02:38,504 --> 00:02:41,264 Speaker 1: But he also wrote it as mostly like a political 51 00:02:41,304 --> 00:02:45,344 Speaker 1: commentary and a commentary on how society reacts to power 52 00:02:45,424 --> 00:02:47,504 Speaker 1: and corruption and treats people, which. 53 00:02:47,424 --> 00:02:49,984 Speaker 2: Is a big theme in the musical and movie as well. 54 00:02:50,104 --> 00:02:52,464 Speaker 1: Yes, it's definitely a big theme in both the movie 55 00:02:52,464 --> 00:02:55,944 Speaker 1: and the musical. But the musical, like the Broadway show, 56 00:02:56,224 --> 00:03:00,584 Speaker 1: is so wildly different to the books, and. 57 00:03:00,464 --> 00:03:03,104 Speaker 2: That is that the book. So is the show like 58 00:03:03,184 --> 00:03:05,704 Speaker 2: about just the first book or all the entire series. 59 00:03:05,864 --> 00:03:08,144 Speaker 1: Yes, so the Wicked stage show is based off the 60 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:10,784 Speaker 1: first Wicked book, but they're quite different in men anyways. 61 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:13,904 Speaker 1: So when Gregory maguire wrote the novel, he kind of 62 00:03:14,024 --> 00:03:16,784 Speaker 1: just envisioned it that it would start with Elpheber's birth, 63 00:03:16,824 --> 00:03:18,944 Speaker 1: which it does, and end with her death, which it does, 64 00:03:19,184 --> 00:03:21,864 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of changes made there. And it's interesting. 65 00:03:21,904 --> 00:03:24,864 Speaker 1: When the book was first published, Hollywood was very interested 66 00:03:24,904 --> 00:03:28,104 Speaker 1: in making it into a movie, and Gregory Maguire has 67 00:03:28,144 --> 00:03:30,384 Speaker 1: talked about the fact that when the book Wicked came out, 68 00:03:30,424 --> 00:03:33,384 Speaker 1: he started getting all of these calls. Woopy Goldberg was like, 69 00:03:33,424 --> 00:03:35,144 Speaker 1: put me in this movie. I want to make it. 70 00:03:35,344 --> 00:03:38,664 Speaker 1: Demi Moore wanted to be in it, but so many studios, 71 00:03:38,704 --> 00:03:41,384 Speaker 1: he said, were really hesitant to make it because his 72 00:03:41,584 --> 00:03:45,104 Speaker 1: reasoning was, it was before you had the adaptation of 73 00:03:45,104 --> 00:03:46,864 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, which was a huge success for 74 00:03:46,984 --> 00:03:50,424 Speaker 1: Harry Potter. So he said studios were very nervous about 75 00:03:50,624 --> 00:03:54,024 Speaker 1: making one hundred million dollar fantasy movies based on books. 76 00:03:54,024 --> 00:03:56,944 Speaker 1: And he said they were particularly hesitant, and history tells 77 00:03:56,824 --> 00:03:59,784 Speaker 1: it this is true. The studios were particularly hesitant about 78 00:03:59,824 --> 00:04:02,904 Speaker 1: making a fantasy movie franchise with no male like big 79 00:04:02,944 --> 00:04:06,544 Speaker 1: male leads, and so it kind of stalled for quite 80 00:04:06,544 --> 00:04:09,024 Speaker 1: a while there, and then he got a call from 81 00:04:09,144 --> 00:04:14,024 Speaker 1: composer and Lyriis's Stephen Schwartz, the amazing Stephen Schwartz, who said, 82 00:04:14,184 --> 00:04:16,664 Speaker 1: I think this is a Broadway show, not a movie, 83 00:04:16,704 --> 00:04:19,224 Speaker 1: and it was at the time especially so much cheaper 84 00:04:19,344 --> 00:04:21,944 Speaker 1: to get a Broadway show up. And then he wrote 85 00:04:21,944 --> 00:04:24,184 Speaker 1: No One Warns the Wicked as a kind of an 86 00:04:24,224 --> 00:04:26,464 Speaker 1: idea of what he could do. And when Gregory Maguire 87 00:04:26,504 --> 00:04:28,624 Speaker 1: heard that, he was like, yeah, I'm all in. But 88 00:04:28,664 --> 00:04:31,144 Speaker 1: then when Gregory Maguire like read the full script for 89 00:04:31,184 --> 00:04:33,464 Speaker 1: the Broadway show, he was quite upset about how it ends. 90 00:04:33,864 --> 00:04:35,584 Speaker 1: So I don't want to spoil Wicked Part two for 91 00:04:35,664 --> 00:04:37,224 Speaker 1: people who haven't seen the stage show. 92 00:04:37,304 --> 00:04:39,144 Speaker 2: But but we are spoiling Wiki part one. 93 00:04:39,744 --> 00:04:41,624 Speaker 1: Yes, that is the whole point of this podcast, but 94 00:04:41,704 --> 00:04:43,984 Speaker 1: there are some big changes there. In fact, the books 95 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:46,664 Speaker 1: are so much darker, Like this is why I'm quite 96 00:04:46,744 --> 00:04:49,784 Speaker 1: kind of concerned with the fact that they have reissued 97 00:04:49,824 --> 00:04:53,424 Speaker 1: the books with pictures of Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana Grande. 98 00:04:53,544 --> 00:04:55,584 Speaker 1: Have they actually Yeah, so they've come out with new 99 00:04:55,584 --> 00:04:59,104 Speaker 1: covers and has a photo of Ariana Grande who's playing 100 00:04:59,104 --> 00:05:02,984 Speaker 1: Glinda Upland, and Cynthia Evo who's playing Alphabethrop on the cover. 101 00:05:03,544 --> 00:05:06,104 Speaker 1: And the books are so different, particularly the first one, 102 00:05:06,144 --> 00:05:09,904 Speaker 1: because there's so much darker. There's so much more intense 103 00:05:09,944 --> 00:05:13,464 Speaker 1: things ben and there's not this huge friendship between Glinda 104 00:05:13,504 --> 00:05:15,904 Speaker 1: and Alphabet. That there is a friendship between them, but 105 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:18,744 Speaker 1: it fizzles away much faster, and it's not the main 106 00:05:18,824 --> 00:05:21,344 Speaker 1: part of the story, like that thread has been pulled 107 00:05:21,344 --> 00:05:24,184 Speaker 1: out for the musical, but it doesn't exist in the books. 108 00:05:24,544 --> 00:05:27,864 Speaker 1: And there's also not a romance between Fierro and Glinda 109 00:05:27,904 --> 00:05:30,104 Speaker 1: in the books, like he comes to school, he's kind 110 00:05:30,104 --> 00:05:32,984 Speaker 1: of in their circles. Some bad stuff happens, they still 111 00:05:33,024 --> 00:05:36,064 Speaker 1: go and meet the wizard. And then years later Alphaba 112 00:05:36,184 --> 00:05:38,824 Speaker 1: and Fiero re meet and he's married with a wife 113 00:05:38,824 --> 00:05:42,504 Speaker 1: and many kids, and then they start sleeping together, and 114 00:05:42,544 --> 00:05:45,184 Speaker 1: then later on she reappears, and then later on she 115 00:05:45,264 --> 00:05:49,064 Speaker 1: reappears with a child, Lie, who is the bastard son 116 00:05:49,224 --> 00:05:52,904 Speaker 1: of Alphaba and Fierro, and he moves her into the 117 00:05:52,904 --> 00:05:55,584 Speaker 1: castle with his family and friends and his children as 118 00:05:55,624 --> 00:05:58,424 Speaker 1: the mistress, and all this other stuff is happening in 119 00:05:58,464 --> 00:06:02,384 Speaker 1: Oz and then afterwards they're all brutally killed, Fiera, his wife, 120 00:06:02,584 --> 00:06:04,944 Speaker 1: or all the kids except for one one of the daughters. 121 00:06:05,464 --> 00:06:08,784 Speaker 1: And later on the books take an even darker turn. 122 00:06:09,184 --> 00:06:11,624 Speaker 1: Glinda's really not a figure in them, like she really 123 00:06:11,664 --> 00:06:15,464 Speaker 1: doesn't look after Alphabet's granddaughter. Later on, Alphabet's son and 124 00:06:15,504 --> 00:06:17,984 Speaker 1: Fieri's son is like raped by a woman named Candle 125 00:06:18,024 --> 00:06:19,784 Speaker 1: and left to raise their green skinned daughter. 126 00:06:19,864 --> 00:06:21,464 Speaker 3: It's a whole it's a whole situ. 127 00:06:21,304 --> 00:06:25,184 Speaker 2: Okay, So no spoilers, but that does not happen. That 128 00:06:25,304 --> 00:06:29,144 Speaker 2: is no, no, no, I'm assuming the second film. But what 129 00:06:29,304 --> 00:06:31,904 Speaker 2: I find, Yeah, I can't believe they would reimage because 130 00:06:31,944 --> 00:06:34,304 Speaker 2: I would think that's a direct correlation. So for me, 131 00:06:34,784 --> 00:06:37,544 Speaker 2: as someone who's not like fully into the Wicked law, 132 00:06:37,664 --> 00:06:40,104 Speaker 2: like I did watch the musical, I've talked about and 133 00:06:40,144 --> 00:06:43,024 Speaker 2: then watched the movie and now I'm obsessed. But it 134 00:06:43,064 --> 00:06:47,064 Speaker 2: feels like when they transition from going to books to musical, 135 00:06:47,544 --> 00:06:50,264 Speaker 2: it feels like the musical is more suited for I 136 00:06:50,264 --> 00:06:53,984 Speaker 2: guess the original Wizard of Oz audience, like that younger 137 00:06:54,064 --> 00:06:56,664 Speaker 2: audience that the movie wanted to pull in that they 138 00:06:56,664 --> 00:06:59,024 Speaker 2: could also watch something with their parents that feels like 139 00:06:59,064 --> 00:07:00,224 Speaker 2: what the musical actually is. 140 00:07:00,304 --> 00:07:02,864 Speaker 1: Yes, so Wicked the Stage show then came out twenty 141 00:07:02,864 --> 00:07:05,544 Speaker 1: one years ago. It was a huge smash hit. It's 142 00:07:05,584 --> 00:07:08,904 Speaker 1: been playing ever since in multiple different countries and has 143 00:07:08,944 --> 00:07:12,064 Speaker 1: become one of the most beloved Broadway shows of all time. 144 00:07:12,584 --> 00:07:16,184 Speaker 1: And it starred Idina Menzel as the original Alphaba and 145 00:07:16,304 --> 00:07:18,584 Speaker 1: Kristian Shanowe as the original Glinda. 146 00:07:18,984 --> 00:07:20,904 Speaker 3: Brilliant brilliant casting. 147 00:07:20,984 --> 00:07:23,064 Speaker 1: So this is why for many years a lot of 148 00:07:23,104 --> 00:07:26,584 Speaker 1: fans didn't want the movies to be made because when 149 00:07:26,584 --> 00:07:30,024 Speaker 1: the show came out, like those were Idna and Kristen's roles, 150 00:07:30,064 --> 00:07:33,144 Speaker 1: like they became so synonymous with those roles. It's funny 151 00:07:33,144 --> 00:07:35,984 Speaker 1: when you hear Idina Menzel's audition story. So they were 152 00:07:36,024 --> 00:07:38,744 Speaker 1: looking for this person who could hit these high notes 153 00:07:38,744 --> 00:07:41,104 Speaker 1: and embody this character and really bring it to life. 154 00:07:41,464 --> 00:07:44,904 Speaker 1: And she talks about going into that initial audition and 155 00:07:44,944 --> 00:07:46,824 Speaker 1: she's singing and she's hitting the notes and then she 156 00:07:46,864 --> 00:07:50,544 Speaker 1: goes to hit one particularly famous note and completely stuffs 157 00:07:50,544 --> 00:07:53,704 Speaker 1: it up and she completely breaks character and she goes, 158 00:07:53,744 --> 00:07:56,104 Speaker 1: oh fuck, and she said the whole room of all 159 00:07:56,144 --> 00:07:58,984 Speaker 1: the Wicked teams started laughing, and it kind of showed 160 00:07:59,024 --> 00:08:01,624 Speaker 1: her personality and showed that she could play Alphabet. It's 161 00:08:01,664 --> 00:08:03,864 Speaker 1: this very serious character, but she also played like the 162 00:08:03,864 --> 00:08:06,304 Speaker 1: comedy and the humor and that biting wit that Alphaba 163 00:08:06,304 --> 00:08:07,264 Speaker 1: has and that's how. 164 00:08:07,184 --> 00:08:07,784 Speaker 3: She got the role. 165 00:08:07,984 --> 00:08:09,904 Speaker 2: Oh and she was like made. 166 00:08:09,624 --> 00:08:12,224 Speaker 1: For that role one hundred percent. So after that became 167 00:08:12,264 --> 00:08:14,984 Speaker 1: such a smash hit. And they're obviously both Christian Shannow 168 00:08:15,024 --> 00:08:17,984 Speaker 1: with and Ideina Menzol are also actresses who have been 169 00:08:18,024 --> 00:08:20,544 Speaker 1: in lots of TV shows and movies and so a 170 00:08:20,584 --> 00:08:23,224 Speaker 1: lot of people thought that they should be the ones 171 00:08:23,304 --> 00:08:25,864 Speaker 1: to play these roles on the big screen. But it 172 00:08:25,984 --> 00:08:28,184 Speaker 1: just movies take so long to get made and there's 173 00:08:28,224 --> 00:08:30,264 Speaker 1: so many Like every time any kind of movie is 174 00:08:30,304 --> 00:08:32,264 Speaker 1: on screen, like you have to sort of appreciate the 175 00:08:32,264 --> 00:08:34,504 Speaker 1: fact that it's a miracle that it ever got made. 176 00:08:34,584 --> 00:08:37,104 Speaker 2: So do you think they were chosen originally and then 177 00:08:37,424 --> 00:08:38,944 Speaker 2: just aged out of that role? 178 00:08:39,064 --> 00:08:40,144 Speaker 3: They aged out of the characters. 179 00:08:40,184 --> 00:08:41,904 Speaker 1: I don't think there was ever a set thing of 180 00:08:41,944 --> 00:08:44,064 Speaker 1: like we're making this movie. It was more just thought 181 00:08:44,104 --> 00:08:47,024 Speaker 1: like these are their characters, either their roles, and people 182 00:08:47,064 --> 00:08:48,864 Speaker 1: wanted a movie, but I don't think that was ever 183 00:08:49,024 --> 00:08:51,704 Speaker 1: kind of went past that phase. But once they left 184 00:08:51,704 --> 00:08:53,824 Speaker 1: those roles and moved on to other things and they 185 00:08:53,864 --> 00:08:56,664 Speaker 1: aged out of playing it, a lot of fans, including me, 186 00:08:56,704 --> 00:08:58,704 Speaker 1: were like, well that's it. Don't make the movie, you know. 187 00:08:59,144 --> 00:09:02,144 Speaker 1: And then over the years, there were lots of adaptations 188 00:09:02,144 --> 00:09:03,624 Speaker 1: of Wicked that nearly made it to the screen, Like 189 00:09:03,704 --> 00:09:06,264 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga was attached to one for a while, which 190 00:09:06,304 --> 00:09:08,344 Speaker 1: I'm not as Alpha Bart, which I'm not. I think 191 00:09:08,384 --> 00:09:09,704 Speaker 1: she would have been actually quite good. 192 00:09:09,824 --> 00:09:12,064 Speaker 2: I also saw a man to say free. 193 00:09:11,864 --> 00:09:13,984 Speaker 1: Yes, So there were quite a few other celebrities who 194 00:09:14,024 --> 00:09:15,864 Speaker 1: desperately wanted to be in a movie. 195 00:09:15,904 --> 00:09:18,824 Speaker 2: If you like, look up the other celebrities who are attached, 196 00:09:18,824 --> 00:09:21,464 Speaker 2: They're literally everywhere and their audition tapes. I'm like, well 197 00:09:21,504 --> 00:09:23,184 Speaker 2: and truly could have been any one of them. 198 00:09:23,664 --> 00:09:25,984 Speaker 1: This is why I think the movie has worked so 199 00:09:26,064 --> 00:09:28,744 Speaker 1: well is that at first I thought when John and 200 00:09:28,864 --> 00:09:33,184 Speaker 1: Chwo was attached to direct, and it was also so brilliant, 201 00:09:33,224 --> 00:09:36,784 Speaker 1: oh brilliant, like what a filmmaker. When he was attached, 202 00:09:36,904 --> 00:09:38,904 Speaker 1: that kind of gave me a bit more that sound like, 203 00:09:38,944 --> 00:09:42,224 Speaker 1: I'm so like a little safety net, because I didn't 204 00:09:42,224 --> 00:09:43,824 Speaker 1: think that he was going to really lean into the 205 00:09:43,824 --> 00:09:45,944 Speaker 1: idea of just stunt casting or casting a big name 206 00:09:46,064 --> 00:09:48,344 Speaker 1: or anything like that, which he didn't. And so, Yes, 207 00:09:48,384 --> 00:09:50,984 Speaker 1: Amanda Seafree did audition, and she talked about the fact 208 00:09:50,984 --> 00:09:53,504 Speaker 1: that she was filming The Dropout, you know, her TV 209 00:09:53,544 --> 00:09:55,664 Speaker 1: show that she won awards for, around the same time 210 00:09:55,704 --> 00:09:57,304 Speaker 1: as they were doing the Wicked auditions. 211 00:09:57,584 --> 00:09:58,984 Speaker 3: Yes, and she said I. 212 00:09:58,944 --> 00:10:03,584 Speaker 1: Want to par She said that she wanted to play 213 00:10:03,664 --> 00:10:06,704 Speaker 1: Glinda so much that she said, I'll film the last 214 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:09,464 Speaker 1: episodes of my show. I'll fly anywhere, I'll do it 215 00:10:09,504 --> 00:10:11,904 Speaker 1: on a Sunday, I'll go give up everything for this role. 216 00:10:11,944 --> 00:10:14,304 Speaker 2: And she honestly like would have mailed that role like 217 00:10:14,384 --> 00:10:17,384 Speaker 2: she I think she looks exactly like how I would 218 00:10:17,384 --> 00:10:18,344 Speaker 2: have pictured Glyn. 219 00:10:18,544 --> 00:10:21,304 Speaker 1: At first, when I heard that they had chosen Ariana 220 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:23,904 Speaker 1: Grande over Amanda Seafried, I was a bit, sort of 221 00:10:24,224 --> 00:10:26,304 Speaker 1: a little bit nervy. Yeah, I was quite angry that 222 00:10:26,424 --> 00:10:29,184 Speaker 1: Amanda had a men cast. But now I don't know, Like, 223 00:10:29,264 --> 00:10:30,904 Speaker 1: she has got a good voice, and I know she's 224 00:10:30,944 --> 00:10:33,944 Speaker 1: at the moment working on adapting a musical that she's 225 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:36,904 Speaker 1: creating from scratch, so she's very musically minded, but I 226 00:10:36,904 --> 00:10:38,344 Speaker 1: don't know if she has the vocal range. 227 00:10:38,384 --> 00:10:40,504 Speaker 2: Sure, maybe even the chemistry. 228 00:10:40,304 --> 00:10:42,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, There's so many different parts there. And then 229 00:10:43,024 --> 00:10:45,544 Speaker 1: also Dove Cameron was the other person who was really 230 00:10:45,584 --> 00:10:47,544 Speaker 1: in the mix for the role. So she had played 231 00:10:47,824 --> 00:10:50,584 Speaker 1: Christian Shannwood's daughter in a production of Hair Spray, and 232 00:10:50,664 --> 00:10:52,984 Speaker 1: at first, when Kristin was being asked who should play 233 00:10:53,344 --> 00:10:56,104 Speaker 1: Glinda in the movie, she a lot of the time 234 00:10:56,184 --> 00:10:59,424 Speaker 1: did name Dove Cameron. Interestingly, she always named Ariana Grande 235 00:10:59,464 --> 00:11:01,344 Speaker 1: for Alphaba, and at the time I was like, absolutely 236 00:11:01,424 --> 00:11:01,944 Speaker 1: washing your mouth. 237 00:11:01,944 --> 00:11:02,944 Speaker 3: That was so proud, dare you? 238 00:11:02,984 --> 00:11:06,704 Speaker 2: Because Arina Grande originally wanted to play Elfie, Like she 239 00:11:06,824 --> 00:11:09,704 Speaker 2: said that that is my dream, yeah, to play Alphaba, 240 00:11:10,384 --> 00:11:11,104 Speaker 2: and she got close. 241 00:11:11,824 --> 00:11:13,864 Speaker 1: She did well, I think, and as time went on 242 00:11:13,904 --> 00:11:15,984 Speaker 1: she sort of saw she was more suited for Glinda. 243 00:11:16,344 --> 00:11:18,624 Speaker 1: And Dove Cameron auditioned and she said it was the 244 00:11:18,664 --> 00:11:21,664 Speaker 1: most intense audition process she's ever gone through and she 245 00:11:21,704 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 1: came very close to getting it. Also, Renee Rap auditioned 246 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:27,864 Speaker 1: to play Glinda and said that it was she went 247 00:11:27,904 --> 00:11:30,224 Speaker 1: through also many many rounds. This is the thing about 248 00:11:30,224 --> 00:11:32,624 Speaker 1: Ariana Grande where I came around to her playing the 249 00:11:32,704 --> 00:11:34,344 Speaker 1: role before I saw the movie and so that she 250 00:11:34,384 --> 00:11:36,824 Speaker 1: was quite great in it is that when she first 251 00:11:36,944 --> 00:11:39,824 Speaker 1: heard that there was a rumor that auditions were starting, 252 00:11:39,904 --> 00:11:41,624 Speaker 1: is when she was on her big sweeten A tour, 253 00:11:41,704 --> 00:11:44,304 Speaker 1: you know, that big worldwide tour, and she said, I 254 00:11:44,344 --> 00:11:48,064 Speaker 1: will absolutely cancel this entire tour, not cancel the tour 255 00:11:48,104 --> 00:11:50,664 Speaker 1: to go and audition, cancel the tour to start training 256 00:11:50,704 --> 00:11:54,264 Speaker 1: for her audition. Because she spent almost a year just 257 00:11:54,344 --> 00:11:57,184 Speaker 1: practicing for her audition in terms of working with a 258 00:11:57,224 --> 00:12:00,024 Speaker 1: movement and dance coach to get the righte movement working 259 00:12:00,024 --> 00:12:02,624 Speaker 1: with a vocal coach because it's a different range. She 260 00:12:02,704 --> 00:12:05,224 Speaker 1: was telling me in her interview, it's a completely different 261 00:12:05,304 --> 00:12:06,064 Speaker 1: range that she sings. 262 00:12:06,104 --> 00:12:08,824 Speaker 2: And we have talked about how if you do, if 263 00:12:08,824 --> 00:12:10,864 Speaker 2: you are a fan of Arina Grande know her music. 264 00:12:10,944 --> 00:12:12,984 Speaker 2: Everyone knows some music. Yeah, but if you do watch 265 00:12:13,064 --> 00:12:16,544 Speaker 2: Wicked and your eyes are closed, there's you wouldn't be 266 00:12:16,584 --> 00:12:19,304 Speaker 2: able to tell it her Like her Broadway register is 267 00:12:19,344 --> 00:12:22,384 Speaker 2: so different to what her normal singing voice is. 268 00:12:22,424 --> 00:12:25,704 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, absolutely, And so when she went into audition, 269 00:12:25,824 --> 00:12:28,944 Speaker 1: even John the director said initially he didn't want to. 270 00:12:29,224 --> 00:12:30,944 Speaker 1: He thought it was also going to be stunt casting 271 00:12:30,984 --> 00:12:33,304 Speaker 1: if he cast Ariana Grande, especially because of where you 272 00:12:33,344 --> 00:12:34,904 Speaker 1: think where she was at the time during a world 273 00:12:34,944 --> 00:12:37,504 Speaker 1: wide tour and all these number ones and everything. The 274 00:12:37,584 --> 00:12:40,824 Speaker 1: idea that her persona as a pop star would overshadow 275 00:12:40,864 --> 00:12:41,824 Speaker 1: the movie isn't there. 276 00:12:41,824 --> 00:12:44,304 Speaker 2: Wild It's like such a risk. And yet if you're 277 00:12:44,384 --> 00:12:46,544 Speaker 2: like starting off in movies, a low bunch of movies, 278 00:12:46,584 --> 00:12:48,704 Speaker 2: you obviously want a big star. Yeah, and then when 279 00:12:48,744 --> 00:12:50,944 Speaker 2: it's such a big movie in itself, it does the 280 00:12:50,944 --> 00:12:51,744 Speaker 2: opposite effect. 281 00:12:52,144 --> 00:12:54,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, like no, no, no, these stars too bad will 282 00:12:54,984 --> 00:12:56,584 Speaker 1: ruin my movie, and then she came in like no 283 00:12:56,744 --> 00:12:58,504 Speaker 1: makeup and just her. 284 00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:00,424 Speaker 2: Bleached brown yes, her blonde hair. 285 00:13:00,984 --> 00:13:04,504 Speaker 1: Looking exactly like almost like a shell of what could 286 00:13:04,504 --> 00:13:07,184 Speaker 1: be turned into Glinda. And a lot of people have said, 287 00:13:07,184 --> 00:13:09,904 Speaker 1: did they make her look very kind of almost uncanny, 288 00:13:09,904 --> 00:13:11,224 Speaker 1: almost the worldly, like. 289 00:13:11,224 --> 00:13:12,624 Speaker 3: A blank handy in the movie? 290 00:13:12,824 --> 00:13:14,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I almost think they do, Like in the 291 00:13:14,784 --> 00:13:17,744 Speaker 1: movie Glinda has she's a lot more preppy and classic 292 00:13:17,784 --> 00:13:20,424 Speaker 1: blonde bombshell a little bit in the stage productions, but 293 00:13:20,464 --> 00:13:23,224 Speaker 1: in the movie they've made her look a little bit 294 00:13:23,224 --> 00:13:24,464 Speaker 1: almost other world. 295 00:13:24,384 --> 00:13:25,344 Speaker 2: Like ethere A. 296 00:13:25,504 --> 00:13:25,624 Speaker 4: Right. 297 00:13:25,704 --> 00:13:28,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very It's weird when you first see her 298 00:13:28,904 --> 00:13:31,304 Speaker 2: because like she's the first person you see when the 299 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:34,824 Speaker 2: movie starts. Yeah, and if we didn't see all the 300 00:13:34,864 --> 00:13:37,104 Speaker 2: promo and stuff for it, I would have looked at 301 00:13:37,104 --> 00:13:40,464 Speaker 2: that and been like, wait, I'm confused, Like where's her 302 00:13:40,704 --> 00:13:44,704 Speaker 2: bright pink lipstick? Were's her deep eyeshadow and like sparkly 303 00:13:44,784 --> 00:13:48,344 Speaker 2: eyelid and glitter all over her? And they kept her 304 00:13:48,584 --> 00:13:52,424 Speaker 2: very simple and let like, I guess the personality of 305 00:13:52,464 --> 00:13:55,504 Speaker 2: the character be the character rather than like and the 306 00:13:55,544 --> 00:13:58,304 Speaker 2: outfit as well, rather than like making her up to 307 00:13:58,544 --> 00:13:59,424 Speaker 2: look princessly. 308 00:14:00,064 --> 00:14:00,304 Speaker 3: Yeah. 309 00:14:00,344 --> 00:14:02,224 Speaker 1: Absolutely they did make a lot of changes from the 310 00:14:02,224 --> 00:14:03,784 Speaker 1: stage show to the movie, and I think that's one 311 00:14:03,784 --> 00:14:06,104 Speaker 1: that works quite well. Yeah, and then everyone had to 312 00:14:06,144 --> 00:14:09,144 Speaker 1: audition multiple times, so Cynthia Arrivo did as well. But 313 00:14:09,224 --> 00:14:11,224 Speaker 1: I think people were well. The thing is, when she 314 00:14:11,264 --> 00:14:13,104 Speaker 1: got announced, a lot of people said who, and I 315 00:14:13,184 --> 00:14:14,464 Speaker 1: just thought, Oh, bite your tongue. 316 00:14:14,544 --> 00:14:16,704 Speaker 2: Oh I'm close to Egot win Who who do you think? 317 00:14:16,784 --> 00:14:20,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know, winner of Tony Award's Oscar nominee. 318 00:14:20,664 --> 00:14:22,264 Speaker 1: But I guess she had been on Broadway for like 319 00:14:22,304 --> 00:14:25,184 Speaker 1: The Color Purple and other productions for quite a long time, 320 00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:26,864 Speaker 1: so she was no one as an actress, but she 321 00:14:26,904 --> 00:14:28,344 Speaker 1: was better known as a Broadway I. 322 00:14:28,384 --> 00:14:31,544 Speaker 2: Think when she was announced as Alphaba, Cynthia Rivo as 323 00:14:31,544 --> 00:14:34,624 Speaker 2: someone who wasn't part of the huge Wicked fan base, 324 00:14:34,904 --> 00:14:38,224 Speaker 2: this is where I first saw the biggest difference between 325 00:14:38,464 --> 00:14:42,664 Speaker 2: fan of musicals versus fan of movies. Yeah, because we 326 00:14:42,744 --> 00:14:44,944 Speaker 2: had the fan of movie look so excited to see 327 00:14:45,024 --> 00:14:47,704 Speaker 2: Wicked as a movie. I would probably include myself into 328 00:14:47,784 --> 00:14:51,304 Speaker 2: that category. Had watched the musical, knows the story, couldn't 329 00:14:51,304 --> 00:14:55,024 Speaker 2: wait for the movie see Cynthia Rivo. I can say 330 00:14:55,024 --> 00:14:56,824 Speaker 2: that I actually knew who she was, but I understand 331 00:14:56,864 --> 00:14:59,384 Speaker 2: people who didn't, going who like I've never seen this 332 00:14:59,424 --> 00:15:02,304 Speaker 2: woman before, and then like the musical fans just going, 333 00:15:02,464 --> 00:15:07,344 Speaker 2: how fucking day, Yeah, like she is musical royalty. 334 00:15:07,944 --> 00:15:10,664 Speaker 1: It's funny too, because with the casting of Jonathan Bailey, Okay, 335 00:15:10,704 --> 00:15:14,224 Speaker 1: so so many men auditioned in Hollywood to be Fierro, 336 00:15:14,384 --> 00:15:18,744 Speaker 1: and of Seawan Mendez, I just don't think that would 337 00:15:18,744 --> 00:15:20,824 Speaker 1: have worked. I didn't see his audition, so I can't say, 338 00:15:20,864 --> 00:15:23,144 Speaker 1: like I said, I was wrong about Ariana Grandale, admit that, 339 00:15:23,504 --> 00:15:25,864 Speaker 1: but yeah, he got quite close and he apparently really 340 00:15:25,864 --> 00:15:28,944 Speaker 1: really wanted it. I say the look, yeah, yeah, I guess. 341 00:15:30,464 --> 00:15:32,344 Speaker 1: And obviously you can sing, but you know you need 342 00:15:32,384 --> 00:15:35,064 Speaker 1: more than sing. Fierro's got a particular kind of cruismer 343 00:15:35,184 --> 00:15:37,104 Speaker 1: that you have to that you have to bottle up 344 00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:39,864 Speaker 1: for this role. But also these poor sweet boys, I 345 00:15:39,904 --> 00:15:42,304 Speaker 1: don't want to laugh at them, but the Jonas brothers 346 00:15:42,424 --> 00:15:46,744 Speaker 1: on talking about thinking stunt casting, but all three both no, 347 00:15:46,784 --> 00:15:47,584 Speaker 1: not what's the old one? 348 00:15:47,704 --> 00:15:49,224 Speaker 3: Kevin? No, Kevin did you don't know. 349 00:15:49,224 --> 00:15:52,624 Speaker 2: Kevin from the hit reality TV Jonas. 350 00:15:52,424 --> 00:15:53,944 Speaker 1: He must have been busy doing that because he didn't 351 00:15:53,944 --> 00:15:56,264 Speaker 1: get the call up to audition, but both Nick and 352 00:15:56,344 --> 00:15:59,744 Speaker 1: Joe Jonas auditioned for Fierro. And it's interesting because the 353 00:15:59,744 --> 00:16:01,744 Speaker 1: way they talk, they're acting like they were battling it 354 00:16:01,784 --> 00:16:04,344 Speaker 1: out between the two of them, and I do believe 355 00:16:04,384 --> 00:16:06,464 Speaker 1: it was more of the open casting call at the 356 00:16:06,504 --> 00:16:07,864 Speaker 1: beginning that they auditioned for. 357 00:16:07,904 --> 00:16:09,824 Speaker 2: I mean, one was a great star in camp. 358 00:16:09,664 --> 00:16:13,344 Speaker 1: Rock and too, and again maybe I would have improven wrong. 359 00:16:13,384 --> 00:16:15,024 Speaker 1: We never know, but I feel pretty safe saying that 360 00:16:15,064 --> 00:16:16,904 Speaker 1: neither of them would have been great, and so they 361 00:16:17,064 --> 00:16:19,024 Speaker 1: all went to Jonathan Bailey, which I think is just 362 00:16:19,104 --> 00:16:21,824 Speaker 1: inspired casting. I didn't know he could sing, so he 363 00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:24,304 Speaker 1: has been a Broadway star since he didn't know that. 364 00:16:24,544 --> 00:16:27,184 Speaker 1: He has won a lot of big, very prestigious awards. 365 00:16:27,224 --> 00:16:29,744 Speaker 1: He's been Yeah, he's been performing on stage and professional 366 00:16:29,784 --> 00:16:31,784 Speaker 1: production since he was eight years old, so he is 367 00:16:32,104 --> 00:16:34,984 Speaker 1: that's the thing too. Like Ariana Grande also performed on 368 00:16:35,024 --> 00:16:37,664 Speaker 1: Broadway when she was a child. Cynthia Rivo is a 369 00:16:37,704 --> 00:16:40,704 Speaker 1: Broadway star Jonathan Bailey, like, these are all people that 370 00:16:40,744 --> 00:16:43,624 Speaker 1: have found success in Hollywood in different shows and movies, 371 00:16:43,704 --> 00:16:47,144 Speaker 1: all through pop music, so they're very palatable to a 372 00:16:47,144 --> 00:16:50,304 Speaker 1: mainstream audience. But I don't think you can cast people 373 00:16:50,344 --> 00:16:53,024 Speaker 1: without Broadway backgrounds in those roles. 374 00:16:53,384 --> 00:16:56,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think with people knowing that, Like 375 00:16:57,224 --> 00:17:00,104 Speaker 2: this is where I think the contrast between movie fans 376 00:17:00,104 --> 00:17:04,344 Speaker 2: and musical fans. People forget that musicals are actually massive. Yeah, 377 00:17:04,384 --> 00:17:07,424 Speaker 2: Like they're huge, huge, huge, They have massive fan bases. 378 00:17:07,464 --> 00:17:10,904 Speaker 2: They are like millions and millions of people who like 379 00:17:11,104 --> 00:17:14,424 Speaker 2: no musicals, who've studied musicals, who like watch every single 380 00:17:14,504 --> 00:17:18,784 Speaker 2: musical multiple times. And if they casted someone who had 381 00:17:18,824 --> 00:17:20,384 Speaker 2: nothing to do with musicals, I think that would have 382 00:17:20,384 --> 00:17:21,544 Speaker 2: gone down so badly. 383 00:17:21,704 --> 00:17:22,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 384 00:17:22,304 --> 00:17:24,584 Speaker 1: So the only person doesn't really have a musical background 385 00:17:24,624 --> 00:17:28,664 Speaker 1: is Michelle Yo who plays That's Horrible, Jeff Goldbloom and. 386 00:17:28,664 --> 00:17:30,064 Speaker 3: Jeff Goldblum that Man. 387 00:17:30,224 --> 00:17:32,344 Speaker 1: So they don't but I guess they don't really have 388 00:17:32,424 --> 00:17:33,544 Speaker 1: those big musical numbers. 389 00:17:33,544 --> 00:17:36,344 Speaker 2: It's so funny when Michelle have like those like musical 390 00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:37,744 Speaker 2: numbers where they talk scene. 391 00:17:37,824 --> 00:17:38,624 Speaker 3: Yeah. 392 00:17:38,664 --> 00:17:40,664 Speaker 1: So when Michelle Yo was, I think she was one 393 00:17:40,664 --> 00:17:42,184 Speaker 1: of the people who didn't have to go through as 394 00:17:42,264 --> 00:17:44,544 Speaker 1: much as of a rigorous audition process, Like I do 395 00:17:44,624 --> 00:17:47,184 Speaker 1: believe she's still auditioned. But she and John have like 396 00:17:47,224 --> 00:17:49,584 Speaker 1: you know, worked together before, and she said to him, 397 00:17:49,624 --> 00:17:50,544 Speaker 1: but John, I can't. 398 00:17:50,384 --> 00:17:52,104 Speaker 3: Sing, what do you want me to do? 399 00:17:52,344 --> 00:17:52,424 Speaker 2: Like? 400 00:17:52,664 --> 00:17:55,384 Speaker 1: And he was like, no, no, it's the character. And she's 401 00:17:55,384 --> 00:17:58,664 Speaker 1: obviously brilliant in that role. But Ethan Slater is a 402 00:17:58,704 --> 00:18:01,744 Speaker 1: Broadway star. Yes, he was in the SpongeBob square Pants. 403 00:18:01,944 --> 00:18:02,824 Speaker 2: Still Broadway star. 404 00:18:03,064 --> 00:18:04,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you still look. 405 00:18:04,464 --> 00:18:08,024 Speaker 2: I know SpongeBob makes it on Broadway to say I've 406 00:18:08,064 --> 00:18:09,944 Speaker 2: still got to be there every night performing a role, 407 00:18:09,984 --> 00:18:11,504 Speaker 2: and that is very successful musical. 408 00:18:11,544 --> 00:18:12,624 Speaker 1: And yes, I know I gave him a lot of 409 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:14,544 Speaker 1: shit when he started, but he was actually quite great. 410 00:18:15,024 --> 00:18:17,544 Speaker 1: And then the only person really who doesn't have that 411 00:18:17,584 --> 00:18:21,344 Speaker 1: big Broadway background is Marissa Bodi, who plays Nessa Rose, 412 00:18:21,864 --> 00:18:25,144 Speaker 1: and that is because she is the first performer who 413 00:18:25,224 --> 00:18:28,184 Speaker 1: is actually a wheelchair user to play the role of 414 00:18:28,224 --> 00:18:30,864 Speaker 1: Nessa Roseho's in a wheelchair in over twenty years, Isn't 415 00:18:30,864 --> 00:18:31,224 Speaker 1: that wild? 416 00:18:31,304 --> 00:18:34,944 Speaker 2: So every musical of Wicked didn't have a wheelchair performer. 417 00:18:35,024 --> 00:18:36,904 Speaker 1: You know, they have an able bodied person at least 418 00:18:36,904 --> 00:18:39,184 Speaker 1: all the main productions. Obviously we're not taking into account 419 00:18:39,264 --> 00:18:41,664 Speaker 1: like community productions and that sort of thing, but no 420 00:18:41,864 --> 00:18:45,184 Speaker 1: other person on Broadway who is a wheelchair user has 421 00:18:45,224 --> 00:18:46,224 Speaker 1: played that role before. 422 00:18:46,264 --> 00:18:49,344 Speaker 2: But she is brilliant. She's so good, but like the 423 00:18:49,424 --> 00:18:52,504 Speaker 2: actual role, the character itself not my favor character in 424 00:18:52,544 --> 00:18:55,824 Speaker 2: the musical, Like I think even like the watching the musical, 425 00:18:55,864 --> 00:18:57,944 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I hate this character, but 426 00:18:58,024 --> 00:18:59,064 Speaker 2: she is so good. 427 00:18:59,544 --> 00:19:01,224 Speaker 1: She gets more of a backstory in this which I 428 00:19:01,344 --> 00:19:02,784 Speaker 1: like a lot of people have said, like, how the 429 00:19:02,824 --> 00:19:05,744 Speaker 1: hell did they make the first part of the movie 430 00:19:05,744 --> 00:19:09,104 Speaker 1: so wicked? Part one almost longer than the entire stage show, 431 00:19:09,424 --> 00:19:11,824 Speaker 1: And it's because they've added in more backstories. So, like 432 00:19:11,904 --> 00:19:14,984 Speaker 1: Alphabet has more backstory when she arrives at She's university 433 00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:17,624 Speaker 1: in the musical, you don't see her as a child, 434 00:19:17,704 --> 00:19:20,184 Speaker 1: you don't see her use her powers and sort of 435 00:19:20,184 --> 00:19:22,424 Speaker 1: see her being bullied as a kid, and giving her 436 00:19:22,464 --> 00:19:24,224 Speaker 1: that extra backstory. 437 00:19:23,824 --> 00:19:27,784 Speaker 2: Oh kid version, Yeah, like broke I forgot about that, 438 00:19:27,824 --> 00:19:29,344 Speaker 2: completely broke my head. 439 00:19:29,184 --> 00:19:30,704 Speaker 1: Which I think is good because you're going in there 440 00:19:30,704 --> 00:19:32,864 Speaker 1: and you're giving two different one part of the movie. 441 00:19:32,904 --> 00:19:35,544 Speaker 1: I quite liked that nessa Rose and Alphabet both have 442 00:19:35,624 --> 00:19:38,584 Speaker 1: a bit more of a backstory, and I think it 443 00:19:38,624 --> 00:19:40,944 Speaker 1: really gives the die hard fans like me who have 444 00:19:40,984 --> 00:19:43,024 Speaker 1: seen the stage show eight times and read the books 445 00:19:43,464 --> 00:19:46,024 Speaker 1: a bit more context and giving you like a reason 446 00:19:46,024 --> 00:19:48,224 Speaker 1: to lean forward because's like, oh, there's new information here. 447 00:19:48,344 --> 00:19:51,664 Speaker 2: Also the anticipation of what happens next, right, Yeah, if 448 00:19:51,664 --> 00:19:53,944 Speaker 2: you watched the musical, you would know what happens to 449 00:19:54,024 --> 00:19:58,224 Speaker 2: these characters. And what made me nervous about Nessa Rose 450 00:19:58,384 --> 00:20:01,024 Speaker 2: is that we start knowing so much about her in 451 00:20:01,064 --> 00:20:04,064 Speaker 2: the first movie that I'm like, oh, this is gonna 452 00:20:04,184 --> 00:20:06,584 Speaker 2: hurt so badly in the second movie. 453 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:08,344 Speaker 1: And she was telling me when I interviewed her that 454 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:11,264 Speaker 1: she there's a lot more changes coming for her second movie. 455 00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:14,384 Speaker 1: It's so interesting because she auditioned and then heard nothing 456 00:20:14,424 --> 00:20:17,104 Speaker 1: for such a long time, and in that time, she 457 00:20:17,304 --> 00:20:20,064 Speaker 1: wasn't getting other roles, and she desperately wanted Wicked. So 458 00:20:20,064 --> 00:20:22,384 Speaker 1: she went away and made a short film and in 459 00:20:22,424 --> 00:20:24,624 Speaker 1: the short film there's a spell that she casts, and 460 00:20:24,664 --> 00:20:27,944 Speaker 1: she did that spell to get Wicked. And then she 461 00:20:28,064 --> 00:20:31,064 Speaker 1: released this short film and literally the next day John 462 00:20:31,184 --> 00:20:33,424 Speaker 1: m two called her and said and he had Ariana 463 00:20:33,464 --> 00:20:35,624 Speaker 1: and Cynthia like on the line too, so they could 464 00:20:35,624 --> 00:20:37,144 Speaker 1: be like, will you be Ournessa Rose? 465 00:20:37,144 --> 00:20:38,024 Speaker 3: So she got the role. 466 00:20:38,464 --> 00:20:40,864 Speaker 1: And then when I was talking to Ethan Slater, He's like, yeah, 467 00:20:40,904 --> 00:20:42,504 Speaker 1: I bumped into John in London. He's like, I think 468 00:20:42,544 --> 00:20:44,264 Speaker 1: we found our nessa rose and I think she's a witch. 469 00:20:44,264 --> 00:20:47,104 Speaker 2: But it's okay, Oh that makes me so happy she 470 00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:50,064 Speaker 2: got the role. Like it does like, broadly speaking, suck 471 00:20:50,184 --> 00:20:53,544 Speaker 2: that someone who just because they're not able bodied that 472 00:20:53,784 --> 00:20:56,824 Speaker 2: they have to do that extra step just to get 473 00:20:56,864 --> 00:20:58,984 Speaker 2: the work that they want to get. And I hope 474 00:20:58,984 --> 00:21:02,144 Speaker 2: that her getting this role kind of opens everyone else's 475 00:21:02,144 --> 00:21:05,344 Speaker 2: eyes into like, no, there are so many talented people 476 00:21:05,384 --> 00:21:07,224 Speaker 2: and we need to stop pulling from the same pool. 477 00:21:07,424 --> 00:21:08,264 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 478 00:21:08,584 --> 00:21:10,224 Speaker 1: And also a lot of time you have a role 479 00:21:10,424 --> 00:21:12,464 Speaker 1: this and like it's like, yes, you'll get cast in Wicked, 480 00:21:12,504 --> 00:21:14,184 Speaker 1: but then like no one else in Hollywood will give 481 00:21:14,184 --> 00:21:15,544 Speaker 1: her a role, So I think it'll be like the 482 00:21:15,584 --> 00:21:18,144 Speaker 1: real kind of touchstone of where that things are getting 483 00:21:18,184 --> 00:21:21,344 Speaker 1: better is if she gets cast in different projects following 484 00:21:21,344 --> 00:21:23,944 Speaker 1: the success of Wicked. But yeah, all the little details too, 485 00:21:24,064 --> 00:21:27,024 Speaker 1: Like when you first see her appear at Shoes University, 486 00:21:27,144 --> 00:21:30,184 Speaker 1: she's wearing like white and gray striped socks, which is 487 00:21:30,224 --> 00:21:32,304 Speaker 1: alluding to the colored socks that she'll wear when she 488 00:21:32,344 --> 00:21:34,304 Speaker 1: becomes a Wicked witch later on. 489 00:21:34,424 --> 00:21:35,784 Speaker 2: I didn't even say that. 490 00:21:35,864 --> 00:21:38,184 Speaker 1: Oh, there's so many hidden details like that's what I like, 491 00:21:38,384 --> 00:21:45,664 Speaker 1: I love about so much. Are people born wicked or 492 00:21:45,704 --> 00:21:48,544 Speaker 1: do they have wickedness thrust upon them? 493 00:21:49,464 --> 00:21:59,024 Speaker 4: You're agreed, Ye, welcome new students to She's University, Miss Alphama, 494 00:21:59,184 --> 00:22:03,384 Speaker 4: you can room with Miss Glinda. Ah. 495 00:22:03,464 --> 00:22:05,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a movie that I think you really 496 00:22:05,104 --> 00:22:08,144 Speaker 1: do need to watch multiple times because there's so many 497 00:22:08,224 --> 00:22:09,144 Speaker 1: hidden details. 498 00:22:09,424 --> 00:22:10,864 Speaker 3: Like even at the start. 499 00:22:10,504 --> 00:22:13,464 Speaker 1: Of the movie, when the universal logo comes up, it's 500 00:22:13,544 --> 00:22:16,224 Speaker 1: the black and white vintage version, which is identical to 501 00:22:16,264 --> 00:22:18,544 Speaker 1: the one that was used in nineteen thirty nine when 502 00:22:18,584 --> 00:22:21,024 Speaker 1: the original Wizard of Oz came out, and then it 503 00:22:21,144 --> 00:22:24,264 Speaker 1: switches from that to color, just like the most famous 504 00:22:24,264 --> 00:22:26,224 Speaker 1: scene from The Wizard of Oz where she opens the 505 00:22:26,264 --> 00:22:28,584 Speaker 1: door to mons Can Land and it's the color. 506 00:22:29,064 --> 00:22:31,424 Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many little things. 507 00:22:31,704 --> 00:22:32,264 Speaker 3: I love that. 508 00:22:32,304 --> 00:22:34,264 Speaker 2: And we got to watch it together and we were 509 00:22:34,264 --> 00:22:36,864 Speaker 2: in a room of just like wicked fans because like 510 00:22:37,344 --> 00:22:39,704 Speaker 2: we were allowed to do the whole like nudging, and 511 00:22:39,744 --> 00:22:41,824 Speaker 2: they're like look at that and like pointing, like we're 512 00:22:41,824 --> 00:22:44,024 Speaker 2: all looking at the same screen, but like me pointing. 513 00:22:44,944 --> 00:22:47,944 Speaker 2: It was just so much fun. But yeah, it's the 514 00:22:48,064 --> 00:22:50,704 Speaker 2: little easter eggs and I think that's the thing that 515 00:22:50,904 --> 00:22:54,144 Speaker 2: like works beyond their marketing plan. Like I feel like 516 00:22:54,184 --> 00:22:56,704 Speaker 2: they had such a brilliant marketing scheme with this, Like 517 00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,344 Speaker 2: the movie's been out now for a few weeks and 518 00:22:59,424 --> 00:23:02,544 Speaker 2: we're still seeing it all over our social media. It's 519 00:23:02,544 --> 00:23:05,624 Speaker 2: like it's always the first post. If I opened Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, 520 00:23:05,664 --> 00:23:08,104 Speaker 2: no matter what, it's always a Wicked post that's first up. 521 00:23:08,584 --> 00:23:11,304 Speaker 2: And it made me realize that this is probably the 522 00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:14,064 Speaker 2: first movie I've seen that has been able to branch 523 00:23:14,144 --> 00:23:19,544 Speaker 2: out cross generational even two people who hate musicals, people 524 00:23:19,584 --> 00:23:23,704 Speaker 2: who hate like whimsical films, who hates like non reality films, 525 00:23:23,704 --> 00:23:25,704 Speaker 2: And look, I'm being honest, I'm talking about my dad here. 526 00:23:26,464 --> 00:23:28,944 Speaker 2: Like my dad loves musicals. He loved Wicked, but he 527 00:23:29,024 --> 00:23:31,624 Speaker 2: hates like musicals in films. So he didn't like Kabba, 528 00:23:32,224 --> 00:23:35,144 Speaker 2: he didn't like Mama Mia. He doesn't like anything. Every 529 00:23:35,184 --> 00:23:37,344 Speaker 2: time someone starts sing a song, he's like, oh God, 530 00:23:38,024 --> 00:23:39,984 Speaker 2: was gonna be this. He also doesn't like things that 531 00:23:40,024 --> 00:23:42,744 Speaker 2: aren't reality, so w then he sees like a little 532 00:23:42,744 --> 00:23:44,904 Speaker 2: bit of magic. He's like, oh God, I thought this 533 00:23:45,064 --> 00:23:45,944 Speaker 2: was a real film. 534 00:23:46,024 --> 00:23:47,824 Speaker 3: Oh no, not the magic. Well, I would love your 535 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:48,424 Speaker 3: dad's review. 536 00:23:48,544 --> 00:23:51,264 Speaker 2: He is so excited to watch this film, and I 537 00:23:51,304 --> 00:23:54,664 Speaker 2: think it's because of all the connections it's making with 538 00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:57,264 Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz, which is like what their generation also 539 00:23:57,304 --> 00:24:00,464 Speaker 2: grew up with with, like the law of like singing. 540 00:24:00,504 --> 00:24:02,184 Speaker 2: I think also a big factor of it is how 541 00:24:02,184 --> 00:24:05,184 Speaker 2: they're actually singing in the actual movie. Yeah, Like that 542 00:24:05,344 --> 00:24:07,304 Speaker 2: is a huge pull for so many people. And I 543 00:24:07,344 --> 00:24:10,744 Speaker 2: think just because it's everywhere, Like it feels weird to 544 00:24:10,784 --> 00:24:13,104 Speaker 2: say I don't want to watch this movie because like 545 00:24:13,144 --> 00:24:16,544 Speaker 2: why wouldn't you, Yeah, Like why wouldn't you? It's everywhere. 546 00:24:16,744 --> 00:24:18,904 Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like a huge amount of you know, 547 00:24:19,024 --> 00:24:21,864 Speaker 1: money and time was spent on the costumes in the sets, 548 00:24:21,864 --> 00:24:24,184 Speaker 1: and it's so visual. But also that's been the one 549 00:24:24,184 --> 00:24:25,424 Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people have had a lot 550 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:26,864 Speaker 1: of backlash too. So I don't know if you remember 551 00:24:26,904 --> 00:24:29,304 Speaker 1: when the first images and the first teaser trailer for 552 00:24:29,424 --> 00:24:31,864 Speaker 1: Wicked came out, there was a lot of backlash, even 553 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:35,504 Speaker 1: from me to an extent, because they really put a 554 00:24:35,504 --> 00:24:36,904 Speaker 1: lot of stock in the fact that they were going 555 00:24:36,944 --> 00:24:38,824 Speaker 1: to do almost like what Barbie did in terms of 556 00:24:38,864 --> 00:24:41,944 Speaker 1: like being very light on CGI and really leaning into 557 00:24:41,984 --> 00:24:44,104 Speaker 1: practical effects, which is all I want to see in 558 00:24:44,144 --> 00:24:45,944 Speaker 1: movies at the moment, I want to see real sets, 559 00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:49,024 Speaker 1: real things built. So that train that takes them from 560 00:24:49,104 --> 00:24:51,824 Speaker 1: shiz yeah to ods a real train. It's a real 561 00:24:51,864 --> 00:24:54,184 Speaker 1: train set up that they built. They've filmed them jumping 562 00:24:54,184 --> 00:24:57,664 Speaker 1: on it's beautiful, yeah, exactly. And also the tulips, they 563 00:24:57,704 --> 00:25:01,704 Speaker 1: actually planted nine million multicolored tulips. Those are real tulips. 564 00:25:01,904 --> 00:25:04,024 Speaker 1: And they built the houses and they built the sets 565 00:25:04,064 --> 00:25:06,544 Speaker 1: like those houses in Munchkinlen You can open the door 566 00:25:06,544 --> 00:25:09,024 Speaker 1: and look inside, and they're real houses. And so when 567 00:25:09,024 --> 00:25:11,504 Speaker 1: people saw that, they were just like, how does it 568 00:25:11,544 --> 00:25:13,224 Speaker 1: look so? And I feel like they changed it for 569 00:25:13,264 --> 00:25:14,944 Speaker 1: the movie. A lot of people still think that the 570 00:25:14,984 --> 00:25:18,384 Speaker 1: movie looks a bit washed out and muted, and there's 571 00:25:18,424 --> 00:25:19,464 Speaker 1: so many different reasons for that. 572 00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:21,144 Speaker 2: Some of them I didn't think that well. 573 00:25:21,184 --> 00:25:22,304 Speaker 3: Some of it's a creative. 574 00:25:22,024 --> 00:25:23,904 Speaker 1: Choice, and some of it's because the way that movies 575 00:25:23,904 --> 00:25:25,864 Speaker 1: are shot now, you can't shoot them with the same 576 00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:28,064 Speaker 1: color and technology that you had back in the day. 577 00:25:28,064 --> 00:25:29,624 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different moving parts there. But I 578 00:25:29,624 --> 00:25:32,024 Speaker 1: do think it looked quite good when we actually saw 579 00:25:32,064 --> 00:25:35,264 Speaker 1: the finished product. If we're going to get into some criticisms, okay, 580 00:25:35,864 --> 00:25:40,024 Speaker 1: I do sometimes think they leant too much into the 581 00:25:40,064 --> 00:25:43,384 Speaker 1: production and were too kind of focused on like look 582 00:25:43,384 --> 00:25:45,224 Speaker 1: what we've got, look or we can do. And I 583 00:25:45,224 --> 00:25:49,184 Speaker 1: think that's sometimes where movie magic can be almost a 584 00:25:49,224 --> 00:25:50,984 Speaker 1: curse because in a stage what do you. 585 00:25:51,064 --> 00:25:53,024 Speaker 2: Mean by that, like lent into the production, like do 586 00:25:53,064 --> 00:25:53,824 Speaker 2: you have an example? 587 00:25:54,184 --> 00:25:55,544 Speaker 1: Yes, I do have an example. Thank you. 588 00:25:55,544 --> 00:25:56,464 Speaker 3: You're just like shore your work. 589 00:25:57,704 --> 00:26:00,584 Speaker 1: I think in some cases having the movie magic opened 590 00:26:00,664 --> 00:26:02,664 Speaker 1: up the storyline a bit more like when they're going 591 00:26:02,664 --> 00:26:04,704 Speaker 1: to the Osters Ballroom and they get in the boats 592 00:26:04,704 --> 00:26:07,224 Speaker 1: and they go in to the that's all added for 593 00:26:07,224 --> 00:26:09,664 Speaker 1: the movie. Obviously, nothing like that happens in the stage show. 594 00:26:09,664 --> 00:26:11,704 Speaker 1: They just walk into a room that's on the stage 595 00:26:11,824 --> 00:26:13,904 Speaker 1: and then you have animals playing music in the drinks 596 00:26:13,944 --> 00:26:15,624 Speaker 1: and all that, and that's I think a good example 597 00:26:15,664 --> 00:26:18,944 Speaker 1: where you can add extra layers and like do world 598 00:26:18,944 --> 00:26:21,984 Speaker 1: building because you have special effects. But then two songs 599 00:26:22,064 --> 00:26:25,384 Speaker 1: I think suffered a little bit were Popular and Dancing 600 00:26:25,424 --> 00:26:27,664 Speaker 1: through Life, which are two of the kind of big 601 00:26:28,224 --> 00:26:31,584 Speaker 1: musical numbers in the movie. So just think in Dancing 602 00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:34,984 Speaker 1: through Life, that's Jonathan Bailey's big moment, that's his song. Yeah, 603 00:26:35,024 --> 00:26:37,824 Speaker 1: there's so much exposition, but I think also so much 604 00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:40,304 Speaker 1: of it is just on his charisma, and they had 605 00:26:40,344 --> 00:26:43,344 Speaker 1: built these incredible sets, and I think sometimes they deferred 606 00:26:43,384 --> 00:26:45,544 Speaker 1: to wanting to show off these incredible sets they have 607 00:26:45,664 --> 00:26:49,504 Speaker 1: built instead of just focusing on his movement and his dancing. 608 00:26:49,584 --> 00:26:51,904 Speaker 1: So he does an amazing job. So you know, when 609 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:54,144 Speaker 1: he's standing up on the desk and he's stepping over 610 00:26:54,184 --> 00:26:55,864 Speaker 1: the books and he's kicking the books and all that 611 00:26:55,904 --> 00:26:57,904 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, that's all him dancing, and that's a 612 00:26:57,944 --> 00:26:59,784 Speaker 1: one shot. So he learned how to do that. He 613 00:26:59,824 --> 00:27:02,624 Speaker 1: actually practiced it in his trailer when he was filming Bridgeton. 614 00:27:04,024 --> 00:27:06,024 Speaker 1: He would be like filming Bridgeton then coming back to 615 00:27:06,064 --> 00:27:08,344 Speaker 1: his trailer and practicing all of the moves so that 616 00:27:08,424 --> 00:27:10,744 Speaker 1: he could do the book step and slide. And if 617 00:27:10,744 --> 00:27:13,344 Speaker 1: you look really closely at the books, the art department 618 00:27:13,504 --> 00:27:17,424 Speaker 1: from the movie has made shiz textbooks and oz history books, 619 00:27:17,464 --> 00:27:19,744 Speaker 1: so if you look at the pages, it's all written 620 00:27:19,784 --> 00:27:21,784 Speaker 1: out with like as if they're actual books, even though 621 00:27:21,784 --> 00:27:24,584 Speaker 1: you can barely see that. The details amazing. But then 622 00:27:24,624 --> 00:27:26,744 Speaker 1: I think also they built that library where like the 623 00:27:26,784 --> 00:27:28,584 Speaker 1: books are spinning and the students are spinning it, and 624 00:27:28,624 --> 00:27:30,984 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, and I think sometimes acrobats, yes, 625 00:27:31,104 --> 00:27:33,384 Speaker 1: you lose the magic of the song by zeroing in 626 00:27:33,504 --> 00:27:35,664 Speaker 1: too much on look at the look at the stage 627 00:27:35,704 --> 00:27:37,624 Speaker 1: production of this instead of look at the song. And 628 00:27:37,664 --> 00:27:40,704 Speaker 1: I think that happened a little bit in Popular to 629 00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:42,784 Speaker 1: an extent. It's interesting because when they went to film 630 00:27:42,824 --> 00:27:46,184 Speaker 1: the movie, they wanted to maybe change popular, like change 631 00:27:46,184 --> 00:27:48,664 Speaker 1: the arrangement a bit, which they did, but they wanted 632 00:27:48,664 --> 00:27:50,504 Speaker 1: to change it and make it even more poppy and 633 00:27:50,544 --> 00:27:52,584 Speaker 1: maybe even a bit hip hop. And it was actually 634 00:27:52,584 --> 00:27:54,504 Speaker 1: Ariana Grande who pushed back and was like, I'm not 635 00:27:54,584 --> 00:27:56,744 Speaker 1: try glad you did a hip hop version of this, 636 00:27:56,824 --> 00:27:57,424 Speaker 1: so it's. 637 00:27:57,304 --> 00:27:59,944 Speaker 2: Like one of the most popular songs in the entire 638 00:28:00,064 --> 00:28:02,544 Speaker 2: musical and they changed that too much or no. 639 00:28:02,904 --> 00:28:05,144 Speaker 1: And I think that was her really pushing against like 640 00:28:05,144 --> 00:28:06,664 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a pop star here, I 641 00:28:06,704 --> 00:28:08,744 Speaker 1: want to be a stage prose. Also, everyone would have 642 00:28:08,744 --> 00:28:11,864 Speaker 1: hated her that and she would have been blamed. But 643 00:28:11,904 --> 00:28:13,944 Speaker 1: I also think in that song, like again, that's such 644 00:28:13,944 --> 00:28:16,904 Speaker 1: an important moment because that's when you really obviously you 645 00:28:16,904 --> 00:28:19,904 Speaker 1: have that incredible scene in the Osdusk Ballroom where they 646 00:28:19,984 --> 00:28:23,944 Speaker 1: dance together Alphaba and Glinda, and it's what really solidifies 647 00:28:24,024 --> 00:28:26,584 Speaker 1: their friendship. And what I think is super interesting about 648 00:28:26,624 --> 00:28:28,784 Speaker 1: that is that arian and Grande went into that not 649 00:28:28,864 --> 00:28:31,904 Speaker 1: knowing all the choreography. They just said to her follow alphabet, 650 00:28:31,904 --> 00:28:34,824 Speaker 1: like follow Cynthia, And so that's why she's mirroring her 651 00:28:34,984 --> 00:28:37,704 Speaker 1: so perfectly, is that they're really like learning that movement 652 00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:38,904 Speaker 1: together for the first time. 653 00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:40,824 Speaker 2: Ah, that's beautiful. 654 00:28:41,064 --> 00:28:41,704 Speaker 3: So then in. 655 00:28:41,704 --> 00:28:46,024 Speaker 1: Popular, they put so much into just creating the set, 656 00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:49,024 Speaker 1: and so I think sometimes the camera pans away from 657 00:28:49,224 --> 00:28:52,704 Speaker 1: Ariana's performance and Cynthia's performance, and it pans too much 658 00:28:52,784 --> 00:28:54,744 Speaker 1: to showing look at her shoes, and look at how 659 00:28:54,744 --> 00:28:57,184 Speaker 1: the closet opens, and look how the makeup opens, and 660 00:28:57,224 --> 00:29:00,184 Speaker 1: look at all the different details that we've built into 661 00:29:00,224 --> 00:29:03,464 Speaker 1: this world instead of looking at how she's performing Popular 662 00:29:03,504 --> 00:29:04,224 Speaker 1: and what she's saying. 663 00:29:04,584 --> 00:29:07,824 Speaker 2: Okay, I understand where you're coming from. But I do 664 00:29:07,904 --> 00:29:11,464 Speaker 2: think that they had those and scenes with like the 665 00:29:11,624 --> 00:29:13,904 Speaker 2: oh look over here, I look over there for the 666 00:29:13,904 --> 00:29:17,704 Speaker 2: movie people, because I do think they needed this little 667 00:29:17,784 --> 00:29:21,344 Speaker 2: like glamour side of it to be like, Okay, we 668 00:29:21,384 --> 00:29:23,144 Speaker 2: know that not all of you have seen the musical. 669 00:29:23,424 --> 00:29:25,464 Speaker 2: We know that all of not all of you like musicals. 670 00:29:25,864 --> 00:29:28,904 Speaker 2: Come look at this, it's for everyone. You'll enjoy it 671 00:29:29,664 --> 00:29:33,184 Speaker 2: with also acknowledging and knowing that they might be kind 672 00:29:33,224 --> 00:29:35,824 Speaker 2: of annoying the fans of the actual musical. You know, 673 00:29:35,904 --> 00:29:37,664 Speaker 2: what kind of sets are I wanted to see? 674 00:29:37,824 --> 00:29:38,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted. 675 00:29:38,664 --> 00:29:42,064 Speaker 2: To see like odes to the original Wizard of Oz, 676 00:29:42,584 --> 00:29:45,584 Speaker 2: Like I wanted to see very low fi but like 677 00:29:46,384 --> 00:29:48,464 Speaker 2: sets that you know, have been put like so much 678 00:29:48,504 --> 00:29:51,624 Speaker 2: hard work into. I remember as a kid, I was 679 00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:54,944 Speaker 2: like absolutely terrified of Wicked Witch of the West. But 680 00:29:54,984 --> 00:29:57,744 Speaker 2: the thing that made me love it so much was 681 00:29:57,784 --> 00:30:00,664 Speaker 2: like in the end when she like jumps on her 682 00:30:00,744 --> 00:30:05,104 Speaker 2: broomstick to go chase after Dorothy, It's so clear that 683 00:30:05,184 --> 00:30:07,864 Speaker 2: she is going to jump into like a painting, Yeah, 684 00:30:07,904 --> 00:30:11,144 Speaker 2: and not like the actual like land of And then 685 00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:13,384 Speaker 2: you just see like a little figurine that's obviously like 686 00:30:13,424 --> 00:30:15,304 Speaker 2: a set that's made on a table of like this 687 00:30:15,584 --> 00:30:17,864 Speaker 2: like little Black Wizard whizzing around. 688 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:18,264 Speaker 3: Yeah. 689 00:30:18,304 --> 00:30:20,064 Speaker 2: I thought that, Like there was something in the back 690 00:30:20,064 --> 00:30:21,104 Speaker 2: of my head where I was like, I wonder if 691 00:30:21,104 --> 00:30:23,624 Speaker 2: they'll do anything like really low fi cool like that, 692 00:30:23,904 --> 00:30:26,264 Speaker 2: which I know would have pulled away from the actual 693 00:30:26,304 --> 00:30:30,144 Speaker 2: whole experience of it. But I also think that talking 694 00:30:30,144 --> 00:30:32,304 Speaker 2: about the sets in general. That's why I'm so excited 695 00:30:32,344 --> 00:30:34,784 Speaker 2: to find out that they made the train, because I 696 00:30:34,864 --> 00:30:37,264 Speaker 2: think that's such an ode to not just the musical, 697 00:30:37,384 --> 00:30:40,184 Speaker 2: but the original Wizard of Oz film, like and the 698 00:30:40,264 --> 00:30:43,544 Speaker 2: respect that all those teams had putting all the effort 699 00:30:43,744 --> 00:30:45,864 Speaker 2: into those set builds because that's all they had, Like 700 00:30:45,904 --> 00:30:48,104 Speaker 2: they had tiny bit of CGI, but not really like 701 00:30:48,104 --> 00:30:50,944 Speaker 2: they had. Everything had to be built and made, and 702 00:30:51,024 --> 00:30:54,784 Speaker 2: people died because of asbestos, people died because of lead painting, 703 00:30:54,864 --> 00:30:55,464 Speaker 2: and they like. 704 00:30:55,464 --> 00:30:57,624 Speaker 1: People got sick. They didn't die before we get before 705 00:30:57,624 --> 00:30:58,704 Speaker 1: we get sued. 706 00:30:58,784 --> 00:31:00,664 Speaker 2: And it was just like, like I would have been 707 00:31:00,704 --> 00:31:03,584 Speaker 2: really upset if they did all that CGI. But I 708 00:31:03,704 --> 00:31:07,144 Speaker 2: did really love those two songs because I think that's. 709 00:31:06,944 --> 00:31:08,824 Speaker 3: Just oh there was They were still great. 710 00:31:08,864 --> 00:31:10,584 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking those are the times it was like 711 00:31:10,624 --> 00:31:13,144 Speaker 1: a bit pulled out of the story by the spectacle 712 00:31:13,264 --> 00:31:14,904 Speaker 1: rather than the staging. But they did do something a 713 00:31:14,904 --> 00:31:16,904 Speaker 1: little bit low fi in the popular scene. So that 714 00:31:16,984 --> 00:31:19,504 Speaker 1: was a very tiny set they had built because they 715 00:31:19,504 --> 00:31:21,504 Speaker 1: were trying to make it room. Yeah, they were trying 716 00:31:21,544 --> 00:31:23,264 Speaker 1: to make it look like a dorm space. So it 717 00:31:23,304 --> 00:31:25,744 Speaker 1: was very small and very hard to film in, especially 718 00:31:25,784 --> 00:31:28,744 Speaker 1: for that musical number, and they were able to sometimes 719 00:31:28,824 --> 00:31:30,704 Speaker 1: take the roof off, but it was very hard to 720 00:31:30,784 --> 00:31:32,384 Speaker 1: kind of see what was going on in the room. 721 00:31:32,664 --> 00:31:35,984 Speaker 1: So when they're filming Popular John m two hid under 722 00:31:36,024 --> 00:31:38,064 Speaker 1: the bed because he's trying to get like a close 723 00:31:38,144 --> 00:31:40,784 Speaker 1: up of what they're doing, and he's under there, and 724 00:31:40,824 --> 00:31:43,424 Speaker 1: at one stage Ariana Grande was saying that they were 725 00:31:43,424 --> 00:31:45,384 Speaker 1: doing it and they had to stop the musical and 726 00:31:45,424 --> 00:31:47,304 Speaker 1: stop filming, and she said, John, we can see you. 727 00:31:47,304 --> 00:31:49,144 Speaker 1: You're sticking out from under the bed like you're ruining 728 00:31:49,144 --> 00:31:51,224 Speaker 1: and he started giggling, and that was a whole situation. 729 00:31:51,424 --> 00:31:52,384 Speaker 3: That's how they filmed it. 730 00:31:52,584 --> 00:31:54,624 Speaker 1: But there are lots of nods to the original Wizard 731 00:31:54,624 --> 00:31:57,024 Speaker 1: of Oz through the movie, so you can see Dorothy 732 00:31:57,064 --> 00:31:59,304 Speaker 1: and the Scarecrow and all that sort of stuff in 733 00:31:59,344 --> 00:32:02,864 Speaker 1: the open then bit. Yeah, and also later on with 734 00:32:02,904 --> 00:32:05,784 Speaker 1: the Wizard when he's showing them the kind of model 735 00:32:05,784 --> 00:32:08,264 Speaker 1: that he has of Oz, he picks up the house 736 00:32:08,304 --> 00:32:11,144 Speaker 1: and tosses it and it's meant to show like going 737 00:32:11,224 --> 00:32:14,024 Speaker 1: through the tornado and all those little bits. Is also 738 00:32:14,184 --> 00:32:15,944 Speaker 1: when they put the lion cub in the back of 739 00:32:15,984 --> 00:32:18,944 Speaker 1: the basket, which was also another scene added for the 740 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:23,144 Speaker 1: movie from the musical, it's alluding to the original movie 741 00:32:23,224 --> 00:32:25,824 Speaker 1: where she's on the bicycle and then it transitions to 742 00:32:25,864 --> 00:32:26,864 Speaker 1: her being the wicked Witch. 743 00:32:27,184 --> 00:32:30,024 Speaker 2: So many things, so many things. It's so so good. 744 00:32:30,144 --> 00:32:32,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were so many little extra bits added in there, 745 00:32:32,544 --> 00:32:34,544 Speaker 1: like how did the yellow brick rogu get its color? 746 00:32:34,824 --> 00:32:37,144 Speaker 1: A bit unnecessary plot point, but I you know, we 747 00:32:37,184 --> 00:32:40,864 Speaker 1: all knew whether it were like yeah, and I'm. 748 00:32:40,704 --> 00:32:42,424 Speaker 2: Like, you know what, the pink also looked quite good. 749 00:32:42,984 --> 00:32:45,544 Speaker 1: And also adding in things that were not in the 750 00:32:45,704 --> 00:32:48,344 Speaker 1: musical that I think really heightened the movie as well, 751 00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:51,384 Speaker 1: is that in the musical, Fierro's entry the first time 752 00:32:51,424 --> 00:32:54,104 Speaker 1: you see him is so infamous where he gets brought 753 00:32:54,144 --> 00:32:56,504 Speaker 1: in in the horse and carriage and he's passed out 754 00:32:56,504 --> 00:32:59,144 Speaker 1: in the back and you know this whole thing of 755 00:32:59,224 --> 00:33:02,184 Speaker 1: him like waking up drunk at school days later, And 756 00:33:02,344 --> 00:33:04,784 Speaker 1: in the movie they added that moment where he and 757 00:33:04,824 --> 00:33:07,584 Speaker 1: Alphabet meet for the first time alone in the woods 758 00:33:07,584 --> 00:33:10,664 Speaker 1: and away from and she jokes his face. I mean 759 00:33:10,664 --> 00:33:12,624 Speaker 1: that comes later after they save the cub together. So 760 00:33:12,704 --> 00:33:15,784 Speaker 1: when Alphabe's spell puts everyone else in the classroom, even Glinda, 761 00:33:15,824 --> 00:33:18,784 Speaker 1: to sleep, but not Fiero. It's alluding to that scene 762 00:33:19,024 --> 00:33:21,624 Speaker 1: in the Wizard of Oz where the other characters go 763 00:33:21,704 --> 00:33:24,224 Speaker 1: to sleep from the poppies, but not the Scarecrow. So 764 00:33:24,224 --> 00:33:27,104 Speaker 1: so many things alluding to what's going to come. Actually, 765 00:33:27,144 --> 00:33:28,984 Speaker 1: there's quite a few times that allude to him becoming 766 00:33:29,024 --> 00:33:31,424 Speaker 1: the Scarecrow. So in Dancing through Life, there he's dancing 767 00:33:31,504 --> 00:33:33,504 Speaker 1: like the scare He dances like the Scarecrow. When he 768 00:33:33,544 --> 00:33:35,584 Speaker 1: did that, I was like, oh, my heart can't take it. 769 00:33:35,664 --> 00:33:38,984 Speaker 1: And then also he dances past some images of corn fields, 770 00:33:38,984 --> 00:33:40,264 Speaker 1: and that's also alluding to him. 771 00:33:40,424 --> 00:33:42,984 Speaker 2: Even Slater dances like the tin Men. 772 00:33:43,344 --> 00:33:45,984 Speaker 1: Yes, And also at one stage, Glinda puts like a 773 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:48,744 Speaker 1: red handkerchief and Box up a pocket, which is to 774 00:33:48,824 --> 00:33:51,384 Speaker 1: show the tin Man later on getting his heart. And 775 00:33:51,424 --> 00:33:53,504 Speaker 1: then also Box says, yeah, I cry a lot, which 776 00:33:53,544 --> 00:33:56,144 Speaker 1: is something that the Tin Men obviously rusted himself by crying. 777 00:33:56,144 --> 00:33:58,664 Speaker 1: And I'm like, stop alluding to the terrible thing's gonna 778 00:33:58,664 --> 00:34:00,984 Speaker 1: happen to all of you. But very clever and a 779 00:34:01,024 --> 00:34:03,104 Speaker 1: really nice service for the fans who were just looking 780 00:34:03,104 --> 00:34:08,504 Speaker 1: for those moments. Please everyone take your seats. 781 00:34:08,744 --> 00:34:13,264 Speaker 2: In today's ours, real sorcerer who possesses true magic has 782 00:34:13,344 --> 00:34:20,704 Speaker 2: become all too rare muck. That was you who made 783 00:34:20,704 --> 00:34:23,344 Speaker 2: all that happen. How did you do it? 784 00:34:23,864 --> 00:34:25,264 Speaker 3: I don't know. I've never known. 785 00:34:27,224 --> 00:34:32,304 Speaker 2: You're the one the Wizard has been waiting for. Something 786 00:34:32,584 --> 00:34:34,584 Speaker 2: has changed with. 787 00:34:36,704 --> 00:34:39,904 Speaker 1: I mean, there were so many hugely emotional moments in 788 00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:43,104 Speaker 1: this movie, so many funny moments, so many wonderful moments. 789 00:34:43,104 --> 00:34:45,984 Speaker 1: And I think the moment in the Shit's Ballroom where 790 00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:48,464 Speaker 1: Glinda hold her hand against Elpheba's face, and I think 791 00:34:48,464 --> 00:34:51,264 Speaker 1: that's the real moment where and she says, you see that, Yeah, 792 00:34:51,344 --> 00:34:55,304 Speaker 1: you see their friendship. Their friendship really cement itself. But 793 00:34:55,384 --> 00:34:58,224 Speaker 1: even before that, in What Is This Feeling, which again 794 00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:00,904 Speaker 1: is such an iconic song where it's a scene that 795 00:35:00,944 --> 00:35:02,784 Speaker 1: was added for the movie, but you see them having 796 00:35:02,864 --> 00:35:05,944 Speaker 1: the sparring match in the song, and I just love 797 00:35:05,984 --> 00:35:08,184 Speaker 1: that because it's alluding to the throw down fight they're 798 00:35:08,184 --> 00:35:09,624 Speaker 1: going to have in the second movie, you know, on 799 00:35:09,664 --> 00:35:13,104 Speaker 1: the corn field where they can't wait, but we have 800 00:35:13,184 --> 00:35:15,744 Speaker 1: some bitch laps happening, which is lovely. But I think 801 00:35:15,824 --> 00:35:19,344 Speaker 1: the one moment that was really emotional for me was 802 00:35:19,824 --> 00:35:21,904 Speaker 1: One Short Day, which is when they're in the Emerald 803 00:35:21,904 --> 00:35:24,784 Speaker 1: City and they're seeing everything, and that's such an emotional 804 00:35:24,784 --> 00:35:27,144 Speaker 1: moment too, because that's when you have that line in 805 00:35:27,144 --> 00:35:29,584 Speaker 1: the song, which is we're two good friends and then 806 00:35:29,624 --> 00:35:32,904 Speaker 1: she has no two best friends. Yeah, but also that 807 00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:35,344 Speaker 1: is when and I'm so glad that I didn't know 808 00:35:35,384 --> 00:35:36,544 Speaker 1: this was going to happen, like. 809 00:35:36,584 --> 00:35:38,384 Speaker 2: We wait before you get okay, I just wanted to 810 00:35:38,384 --> 00:35:42,024 Speaker 2: say something my one tip. Okay, I wanted to see 811 00:35:42,064 --> 00:35:44,784 Speaker 2: more of the Emerald City right, like I didn't. I 812 00:35:44,824 --> 00:35:47,344 Speaker 2: think that part was really rushed, like them getting to 813 00:35:47,344 --> 00:35:50,064 Speaker 2: the Emerald City going wow wow, and then we get 814 00:35:50,104 --> 00:35:52,424 Speaker 2: like two big surprises. Yeah it's meant to be, which 815 00:35:52,464 --> 00:35:55,264 Speaker 2: is like, wanted that one hundred percent all there. Then 816 00:35:55,304 --> 00:35:57,744 Speaker 2: they rushed inside and I'm like, oh wait, I wanted 817 00:35:57,784 --> 00:35:59,624 Speaker 2: to see more of the Emerald City, like I know. 818 00:35:59,704 --> 00:36:01,184 Speaker 1: See, there's so many people out there who are like, 819 00:36:01,224 --> 00:36:03,224 Speaker 1: I can't believe this movie was two hours and forty minutes, 820 00:36:03,224 --> 00:36:04,864 Speaker 1: and you are people who like you and I, who 821 00:36:04,864 --> 00:36:05,224 Speaker 1: were like. 822 00:36:05,224 --> 00:36:06,824 Speaker 3: Make it four hours, you cows. 823 00:36:06,904 --> 00:36:08,824 Speaker 1: I would have watched four hours of this, I know 824 00:36:08,904 --> 00:36:11,784 Speaker 1: because we were seeing like just moments from OZ and 825 00:36:11,824 --> 00:36:13,184 Speaker 1: this is where they use a lot of the cameos. 826 00:36:13,184 --> 00:36:15,704 Speaker 1: I had people who originally had written Wicked in there. 827 00:36:15,984 --> 00:36:19,384 Speaker 1: Stephen Schwartz, the composer, is the soldier who lets them 828 00:36:19,384 --> 00:36:21,784 Speaker 1: into the castle. And then we have the biggest cameo 829 00:36:21,824 --> 00:36:23,944 Speaker 1: of the whole movie. And I don't know if you noticed. 830 00:36:23,944 --> 00:36:25,344 Speaker 1: I was really trying to hide it, but this is 831 00:36:25,344 --> 00:36:30,184 Speaker 1: when my body started like absolutely shaking, yelped, yelped, And 832 00:36:30,224 --> 00:36:32,104 Speaker 1: this is when like I like, I didn't think I 833 00:36:32,104 --> 00:36:33,744 Speaker 1: made a noise in this part because my boy I 834 00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:34,664 Speaker 1: was crying. 835 00:36:34,384 --> 00:36:36,464 Speaker 2: So hard, row was shaking. 836 00:36:36,584 --> 00:36:38,184 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I couldn't help it. I was trying to 837 00:36:38,224 --> 00:36:40,944 Speaker 1: keep it in, which is when I Dina Menzel and 838 00:36:41,064 --> 00:36:44,144 Speaker 1: Christian Channelwith appeared and I did obviously have an inkling 839 00:36:44,184 --> 00:36:45,464 Speaker 1: they were going to be in it, but I think 840 00:36:45,504 --> 00:36:48,744 Speaker 1: when they came out and they were striking a lot 841 00:36:48,744 --> 00:36:52,304 Speaker 1: of the original poses that they used in the original stage. 842 00:36:51,984 --> 00:36:54,104 Speaker 2: Show and with the same like dynamic as well. 843 00:36:54,184 --> 00:36:55,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were sort of playing into some in 844 00:36:55,904 --> 00:36:58,944 Speaker 1: jokes about how sometimes they would do pressed together they 845 00:36:59,024 --> 00:37:00,704 Speaker 1: were both seeing and then Christian would be like, no, no, 846 00:37:00,744 --> 00:37:02,144 Speaker 1: like stop its mind tone kind of thing, and they 847 00:37:02,184 --> 00:37:04,544 Speaker 1: started doing that, and I just thinking about the history 848 00:37:04,584 --> 00:37:07,104 Speaker 1: and what these women have created, and oh, I'm gonna 849 00:37:07,104 --> 00:37:07,384 Speaker 1: cry out. 850 00:37:07,384 --> 00:37:09,624 Speaker 3: We think about it just is the history what this show. 851 00:37:09,464 --> 00:37:11,464 Speaker 1: Is meant to people, and seeing it in that scene 852 00:37:11,944 --> 00:37:15,024 Speaker 1: was so freaking magical, and I just think, like I 853 00:37:15,024 --> 00:37:17,784 Speaker 1: don't always love when fan service is like pushed into 854 00:37:17,824 --> 00:37:19,864 Speaker 1: movies in that way. Sometimes it can ruin the story 855 00:37:19,824 --> 00:37:21,304 Speaker 1: a bit, but I think in this moment, it was 856 00:37:21,384 --> 00:37:22,864 Speaker 1: just the perfect fan service. 857 00:37:22,984 --> 00:37:25,304 Speaker 2: And even the interviews they've given for it, like you 858 00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:29,304 Speaker 2: can see they are so supportive of this film, like wholeheartedly, 859 00:37:29,424 --> 00:37:32,584 Speaker 2: Like the way Kristen talks about Ariana and like how 860 00:37:32,624 --> 00:37:35,584 Speaker 2: proud she is of her and how not only did 861 00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:38,984 Speaker 2: she like make Glinda like her own character, but she 862 00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:41,984 Speaker 2: did her complete justice. Like I think being Cynthia or 863 00:37:42,024 --> 00:37:44,184 Speaker 2: even and Arina, granted, that's all you would have wanted 864 00:37:44,184 --> 00:37:46,184 Speaker 2: in that role because it would have come with so 865 00:37:46,344 --> 00:37:47,784 Speaker 2: much pressure to live up to these. 866 00:37:47,664 --> 00:37:50,264 Speaker 1: Massive characters one hundred percent. And this is why I 867 00:37:50,304 --> 00:37:53,744 Speaker 1: feel very protective about Ariana and Cynthia on this press too, 868 00:37:53,824 --> 00:37:55,904 Speaker 1: and people being like, oh, they're so serious, Why are 869 00:37:55,904 --> 00:37:58,504 Speaker 1: they crying? Why are they acting so over the top, 870 00:37:58,504 --> 00:38:01,904 Speaker 1: And it's like they came into this so aware of 871 00:38:02,584 --> 00:38:05,144 Speaker 1: the emotion that other people were bringing to this, and 872 00:38:05,184 --> 00:38:08,224 Speaker 1: it's like they have to prove every second that they 873 00:38:08,384 --> 00:38:11,184 Speaker 1: understand the stakes are so high, they stand the characters, 874 00:38:11,184 --> 00:38:13,704 Speaker 1: and they understand what a huge moment this is for people, 875 00:38:13,744 --> 00:38:15,224 Speaker 1: Like they cannot be flipp into about it. 876 00:38:15,264 --> 00:38:18,224 Speaker 2: Every interview was starting the interview saying this movie means 877 00:38:18,224 --> 00:38:20,504 Speaker 2: so much to me, and then they're probably like, yes, 878 00:38:20,704 --> 00:38:21,184 Speaker 2: we know. 879 00:38:21,624 --> 00:38:21,904 Speaker 3: I know. 880 00:38:22,064 --> 00:38:23,904 Speaker 1: Literally I had like tears in my eyes at the 881 00:38:23,984 --> 00:38:25,624 Speaker 1: end of my interwers trying to hold it. In the end, 882 00:38:25,664 --> 00:38:27,944 Speaker 1: I was like, so thank you so much. It just 883 00:38:27,984 --> 00:38:29,384 Speaker 1: means so much to me, Like it's not just my 884 00:38:29,384 --> 00:38:31,504 Speaker 1: favorite musical, it's my everything in the world. And they're like, 885 00:38:31,864 --> 00:38:33,104 Speaker 1: and I was like, I gotta go, and I like 886 00:38:33,224 --> 00:38:35,224 Speaker 1: ran out of it. It was so much. So then 887 00:38:35,224 --> 00:38:37,424 Speaker 1: we're getting into yeah, as you're saying the big plot 888 00:38:37,424 --> 00:38:40,584 Speaker 1: twist of the movie, you have Madame Morrible who's arriving 889 00:38:40,624 --> 00:38:41,904 Speaker 1: Michelle Yoe's in her element. 890 00:38:42,504 --> 00:38:44,424 Speaker 2: Did you get here so fast? We literally just got 891 00:38:44,424 --> 00:38:44,904 Speaker 2: off the train. 892 00:38:45,744 --> 00:38:48,184 Speaker 1: She was on the other end of the train, so 893 00:38:48,344 --> 00:38:50,904 Speaker 1: and I love how like she's meant to be very regal, 894 00:38:50,984 --> 00:38:53,664 Speaker 1: but also there's all these hidden details in her costume 895 00:38:53,704 --> 00:38:56,224 Speaker 1: and her hair and makeup because her power is to 896 00:38:56,224 --> 00:38:59,344 Speaker 1: control the weather, her hair is it's very style, but 897 00:38:59,384 --> 00:39:01,544 Speaker 1: it's styled if you look closely into it's meant to 898 00:39:01,544 --> 00:39:03,344 Speaker 1: look like little tornadoes. 899 00:39:02,704 --> 00:39:03,424 Speaker 3: All through her hair. 900 00:39:03,864 --> 00:39:06,384 Speaker 1: Also alluding to the way that she murders people later 901 00:39:06,424 --> 00:39:06,904 Speaker 1: on fire. 902 00:39:08,664 --> 00:39:10,944 Speaker 2: I like it was one of those scenes she'd play 903 00:39:10,984 --> 00:39:13,504 Speaker 2: that character so so well that she was the only 904 00:39:13,624 --> 00:39:17,064 Speaker 2: character in this whole movie that I actually forgot her 905 00:39:17,384 --> 00:39:19,944 Speaker 2: hidden memo, Like I actually forgot what like. 906 00:39:20,184 --> 00:39:23,424 Speaker 1: She really was, Yeah, because she just did it so well. Yeah, 907 00:39:23,464 --> 00:39:26,144 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And then we come into finding out 908 00:39:26,304 --> 00:39:28,624 Speaker 1: the Wizard's secret, and I think this is where you 909 00:39:28,704 --> 00:39:33,104 Speaker 1: really see so much of Alphabet's character come to life 910 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:34,264 Speaker 1: and the importance of who she. 911 00:39:34,304 --> 00:39:37,624 Speaker 2: Is, and like, I think you see her finally understanding 912 00:39:37,704 --> 00:39:40,504 Speaker 2: her purpose and what she realizes that she needs to 913 00:39:40,544 --> 00:39:41,104 Speaker 2: do as well. 914 00:39:41,384 --> 00:39:44,104 Speaker 1: And it's such a brilliant performance by Cynthia, because I 915 00:39:44,104 --> 00:39:46,984 Speaker 1: think when people talk about Alphabet as a character or 916 00:39:46,984 --> 00:39:50,624 Speaker 1: they talk about Cynthia's performance, they really attached to those 917 00:39:50,704 --> 00:39:52,984 Speaker 1: kind of because she has so many big musical moments. 918 00:39:52,984 --> 00:39:55,264 Speaker 1: She has the Wizard and I and she has define 919 00:39:55,264 --> 00:39:58,624 Speaker 1: gravity and I'm not that girl is such an incredible song. 920 00:39:58,744 --> 00:40:01,264 Speaker 1: But I also think the power of Cynthia's performance. And 921 00:40:01,664 --> 00:40:04,024 Speaker 1: this is why it's so important to cast an actress 922 00:40:04,024 --> 00:40:06,624 Speaker 1: who is both a film actress and a stage actress, 923 00:40:06,984 --> 00:40:10,344 Speaker 1: is that she can do those big moments, those big 924 00:40:10,384 --> 00:40:13,544 Speaker 1: Broadway belts in a way that not to single someone out, 925 00:40:13,584 --> 00:40:15,624 Speaker 1: but in a way like someone like an Emma Watson, 926 00:40:16,024 --> 00:40:18,384 Speaker 1: who was in Biddy and the Beast and is a 927 00:40:18,384 --> 00:40:20,344 Speaker 1: fairly good film actress in terms of that she can 928 00:40:20,384 --> 00:40:22,504 Speaker 1: control her face in front of the camera, but she 929 00:40:22,664 --> 00:40:25,024 Speaker 1: even with the amount of auto tune, she cannot and 930 00:40:25,064 --> 00:40:28,424 Speaker 1: just her movements, she can't register that level of emotion 931 00:40:28,584 --> 00:40:29,384 Speaker 1: through song on. 932 00:40:29,384 --> 00:40:33,624 Speaker 2: Screen effortlessly as well, because they are live singing, so 933 00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:37,064 Speaker 2: they also have to work on that transition between acting 934 00:40:37,144 --> 00:40:39,504 Speaker 2: and singing and then straightaway back to acting and also 935 00:40:39,624 --> 00:40:41,304 Speaker 2: having to do their own stunts and being in the 936 00:40:41,344 --> 00:40:44,144 Speaker 2: air and then going back to acting while being in 937 00:40:44,144 --> 00:40:44,464 Speaker 2: the air. 938 00:40:44,664 --> 00:40:46,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so many moving parts. So just in these 939 00:40:46,784 --> 00:40:49,184 Speaker 1: there's moments where the camera is just sitting so close 940 00:40:49,224 --> 00:40:52,304 Speaker 1: on Cynthia's face and through the green makeup. By the way, 941 00:40:52,304 --> 00:40:54,544 Speaker 1: apparently they had to have like thirty different tries of 942 00:40:54,584 --> 00:40:56,864 Speaker 1: different green to find the right green and also one 943 00:40:56,904 --> 00:40:57,664 Speaker 1: that wouldn't. 944 00:40:57,304 --> 00:41:00,224 Speaker 2: Reflect the same paint as the original. 945 00:40:59,984 --> 00:41:02,824 Speaker 1: No rop Cynthoryo that would have been. And they've even 946 00:41:02,904 --> 00:41:04,984 Speaker 1: just got she's got prosthetic ears on all these things 947 00:41:05,024 --> 00:41:07,144 Speaker 1: to give her this very uncanny look, because as we 948 00:41:07,184 --> 00:41:09,264 Speaker 1: find out later on, she's a child of two worlds, 949 00:41:09,304 --> 00:41:11,144 Speaker 1: unlike everyone else in the Moon, which is why she 950 00:41:11,224 --> 00:41:13,384 Speaker 1: has this not just the green elixir, but why she 951 00:41:13,464 --> 00:41:16,384 Speaker 1: has all these different appearances and powers. And I think 952 00:41:16,464 --> 00:41:18,784 Speaker 1: there's so many times where Cynthia is just acting with 953 00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:20,904 Speaker 1: her eyes when you see the emotion passed through and 954 00:41:20,944 --> 00:41:23,864 Speaker 1: you see the realization, and then you see her throw 955 00:41:23,944 --> 00:41:27,744 Speaker 1: away the one thing she wanted, which was acceptance in order. 956 00:41:27,624 --> 00:41:29,944 Speaker 3: To go and fight for the animals. 957 00:41:29,984 --> 00:41:33,624 Speaker 1: And haven't even talked about Peter Dinklage is what a 958 00:41:33,664 --> 00:41:39,264 Speaker 1: voice performance so good? And also the fact that in 959 00:41:39,384 --> 00:41:41,864 Speaker 1: the stage show you don't see other animals, like doctor 960 00:41:41,904 --> 00:41:44,744 Speaker 1: Diloman makes a joke about being the token goat, and 961 00:41:44,784 --> 00:41:46,744 Speaker 1: I thought that was a nice change to how they 962 00:41:46,904 --> 00:41:48,704 Speaker 1: brought the other animals in and everything. 963 00:41:48,944 --> 00:41:51,504 Speaker 2: But another thing that will make the second part way 964 00:41:51,544 --> 00:41:52,384 Speaker 2: more heart wrenching. 965 00:41:52,584 --> 00:41:54,424 Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, I can't watch. I've seen I'm 966 00:41:54,464 --> 00:41:57,544 Speaker 1: walking out. I know exactly what you're talking about. And 967 00:41:57,584 --> 00:42:00,304 Speaker 1: what I think also is so wonderful about not just 968 00:42:00,344 --> 00:42:03,024 Speaker 1: Cynthia Rivo's performance, but Alphabet in general, is that she 969 00:42:03,184 --> 00:42:06,704 Speaker 1: goes through this big transformation, and normally and pop culture, 970 00:42:06,704 --> 00:42:08,904 Speaker 1: a transformation like that would be physical, like it would 971 00:42:08,944 --> 00:42:12,824 Speaker 1: be a makeover. She would have acceptance via looking more beautiful, 972 00:42:12,824 --> 00:42:15,584 Speaker 1: looking a certain way, and the fact that she in 973 00:42:15,624 --> 00:42:17,664 Speaker 1: a way, she doesn't have a make over in any 974 00:42:17,704 --> 00:42:20,104 Speaker 1: way she has a make under because Glinda is the 975 00:42:20,104 --> 00:42:22,184 Speaker 1: one at the end who I mean. She also gives 976 00:42:22,224 --> 00:42:24,624 Speaker 1: her the black hat that she becomes known for. Halfway 977 00:42:24,624 --> 00:42:27,464 Speaker 1: through the movie, but towards the end that really pivotal 978 00:42:27,464 --> 00:42:30,024 Speaker 1: scene where she goes and gets the cloak and wraps 979 00:42:30,024 --> 00:42:31,904 Speaker 1: it around her and says, elfa, you're shivering, and it's 980 00:42:32,304 --> 00:42:36,784 Speaker 1: it's such an interesting example of how something like a 981 00:42:36,824 --> 00:42:39,624 Speaker 1: beautiful moment if you know the story behind it, it's 982 00:42:39,624 --> 00:42:42,064 Speaker 1: so beautiful, like that's a friend keeping another friend warm 983 00:42:42,064 --> 00:42:44,704 Speaker 1: in a moment of trauma. And then, as you know, 984 00:42:44,784 --> 00:42:46,584 Speaker 1: if you watch the later part of the movie but 985 00:42:46,624 --> 00:42:50,064 Speaker 1: also the original Wizard of Oz movie, that Kate becomes synonymous. Yeah, 986 00:42:50,064 --> 00:42:52,464 Speaker 1: it's a simple terror and fear and seeing it fly 987 00:42:52,624 --> 00:42:56,224 Speaker 1: behind her through the air and then it just yeah, 988 00:42:56,264 --> 00:42:57,904 Speaker 1: it just goes to show how things can be corrupted 989 00:42:57,904 --> 00:42:59,064 Speaker 1: if you don't know the backstory. 990 00:42:59,744 --> 00:43:01,344 Speaker 2: Okay, you need to write essay. 991 00:43:01,624 --> 00:43:03,064 Speaker 3: I've written my whole life is running. 992 00:43:04,104 --> 00:43:06,024 Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about poor Chesstree and the 993 00:43:06,024 --> 00:43:09,744 Speaker 1: monkey's turning? Ah, I've got to say, that wasn't it. 994 00:43:09,784 --> 00:43:12,344 Speaker 1: I actually find that, in a weird sense, much more 995 00:43:12,424 --> 00:43:14,144 Speaker 1: terrifying to watch in the stage. 996 00:43:13,864 --> 00:43:16,104 Speaker 3: Show Let's get the Shit out of Me in the movie, 997 00:43:16,224 --> 00:43:16,824 Speaker 3: yeah did it? 998 00:43:16,824 --> 00:43:17,824 Speaker 1: Also it's too busy crying. 999 00:43:17,824 --> 00:43:19,024 Speaker 3: I wasn't wantying attention to you. 1000 00:43:19,104 --> 00:43:21,824 Speaker 2: God, I was like terrified. I was like horror, horror 1001 00:43:21,824 --> 00:43:22,424 Speaker 2: in front. 1002 00:43:22,184 --> 00:43:24,744 Speaker 1: Of me body, horror come to life on stage because 1003 00:43:24,784 --> 00:43:26,864 Speaker 1: in the stage show, like in the movie, you're only 1004 00:43:27,024 --> 00:43:29,144 Speaker 1: used to think that she's doing it to one monkey. 1005 00:43:29,624 --> 00:43:31,904 Speaker 1: And then in the stage show, the curtains fly up 1006 00:43:31,904 --> 00:43:33,864 Speaker 1: at the back and the music plays and the lights 1007 00:43:33,904 --> 00:43:36,224 Speaker 1: are red, and you just see all of these flying 1008 00:43:36,264 --> 00:43:39,424 Speaker 1: monkeys and their actors writing in pain and writing on 1009 00:43:39,464 --> 00:43:41,864 Speaker 1: the floor, and it's very visceral in the stage show. 1010 00:43:42,264 --> 00:43:44,264 Speaker 1: And I think it worked okay in the movie, but 1011 00:43:44,304 --> 00:43:46,024 Speaker 1: I think maybe this is one case where it was 1012 00:43:46,064 --> 00:43:47,984 Speaker 1: a bit too CGI for my liking. 1013 00:43:47,984 --> 00:43:50,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they really focused in on like the actual 1014 00:43:50,984 --> 00:43:53,904 Speaker 2: I guess the wings coming out, yeah, the monkey, like 1015 00:43:53,944 --> 00:43:57,824 Speaker 2: the actual like procedure of it, rather than like the 1016 00:43:57,864 --> 00:44:01,144 Speaker 2: overall emotion of it. And but what I really liked 1017 00:44:01,144 --> 00:44:04,184 Speaker 2: about that like going back to to the arrivo and 1018 00:44:04,224 --> 00:44:06,704 Speaker 2: like acting with her eyes, like when the camera just 1019 00:44:06,704 --> 00:44:09,904 Speaker 2: focuses on her and she sees what she realizes she 1020 00:44:09,904 --> 00:44:12,144 Speaker 2: has done. But not only that, but then she realizes 1021 00:44:12,224 --> 00:44:14,904 Speaker 2: exactly how much power she does yea, at the same 1022 00:44:14,944 --> 00:44:17,304 Speaker 2: time learning that she's the only person in the whole 1023 00:44:17,384 --> 00:44:20,064 Speaker 2: of Oz to have that much power. You just see 1024 00:44:20,144 --> 00:44:23,704 Speaker 2: like she has the most perfect like brow furrow. Yeah, 1025 00:44:23,824 --> 00:44:25,784 Speaker 2: where you're just like, oh my god, you're seeing her 1026 00:44:25,864 --> 00:44:28,784 Speaker 2: learning all of these things while we're also learning all 1027 00:44:28,824 --> 00:44:31,344 Speaker 2: of these things unless you watch the musical obviously at 1028 00:44:31,344 --> 00:44:35,624 Speaker 2: the same time, and that split decision to realize what 1029 00:44:35,664 --> 00:44:38,304 Speaker 2: she's done run away, and then but also at the 1030 00:44:38,344 --> 00:44:41,264 Speaker 2: same time fight for exactly what she did and try 1031 00:44:41,304 --> 00:44:44,144 Speaker 2: to undo all of that pain that she suddenly caused. 1032 00:44:44,784 --> 00:44:48,704 Speaker 2: It's just like done so quickly but so well. And 1033 00:44:48,744 --> 00:44:51,824 Speaker 2: then that last scene where they're like together in the 1034 00:44:51,904 --> 00:44:54,744 Speaker 2: attic by themselves and they getting the hot air balloon. 1035 00:44:54,784 --> 00:44:55,504 Speaker 2: It doesn't work. 1036 00:44:55,384 --> 00:44:57,504 Speaker 1: Out, yeah, the Hot air but I loved all the 1037 00:44:57,504 --> 00:44:59,944 Speaker 1: hot air balloon messaging throughout the movie. There's a few 1038 00:44:59,984 --> 00:45:02,424 Speaker 1: times that happened because you know, that's such a big 1039 00:45:02,464 --> 00:45:05,144 Speaker 1: part of the original film. However Wizard gets there, but 1040 00:45:05,184 --> 00:45:07,784 Speaker 1: also how you know Dorothy is supposed to go home 1041 00:45:07,824 --> 00:45:10,304 Speaker 1: and then does it, and coming into the last scene 1042 00:45:10,344 --> 00:45:12,664 Speaker 1: and so obviously so much the movie is building two 1043 00:45:12,744 --> 00:45:16,064 Speaker 1: Defying Gravity, which is where part one ends, and that's 1044 00:45:16,104 --> 00:45:20,864 Speaker 1: where the intermission of the Broadway Show happens. A lot 1045 00:45:20,864 --> 00:45:23,184 Speaker 1: of anger from people from putting it into two movies, 1046 00:45:23,224 --> 00:45:25,464 Speaker 1: which I had also when I first heard it was 1047 00:45:25,464 --> 00:45:27,144 Speaker 1: going to be two movies, I felt like it was 1048 00:45:27,184 --> 00:45:29,104 Speaker 1: a cash grab, and I think it's fair to say 1049 00:45:29,104 --> 00:45:31,264 Speaker 1: it definitely is a cash grab. But also I just 1050 00:45:31,304 --> 00:45:32,904 Speaker 1: think there's so much story in there. 1051 00:45:33,144 --> 00:45:35,464 Speaker 2: But I would have said there for six hours, honestly. 1052 00:45:35,584 --> 00:45:38,104 Speaker 1: No, I was. You saw me afterwards, I was could not. 1053 00:45:38,304 --> 00:45:41,064 Speaker 1: I was blubbering mess and crying on the street afterwards. 1054 00:45:41,104 --> 00:45:44,264 Speaker 1: So no, couldn't have done that defining gravity. They changed 1055 00:45:44,304 --> 00:45:46,384 Speaker 1: a little bit, but I think that's not really changing 1056 00:45:46,384 --> 00:45:47,264 Speaker 1: the lyrics and just. 1057 00:45:47,264 --> 00:45:49,784 Speaker 2: Changed the change It I got confused about that. 1058 00:45:49,984 --> 00:45:52,064 Speaker 1: It's just more so that there's just a few more 1059 00:45:52,104 --> 00:45:54,504 Speaker 1: different notes and the way it's sung and performed, it's 1060 00:45:54,504 --> 00:45:55,384 Speaker 1: a different arrangement. 1061 00:45:55,464 --> 00:45:57,904 Speaker 2: And there's like a little bit more talking. Yeah, and 1062 00:45:57,944 --> 00:46:00,224 Speaker 2: there's visual stuff like they hold a lot of gaps 1063 00:46:00,264 --> 00:46:02,624 Speaker 2: for to visually see her flying around. 1064 00:46:02,944 --> 00:46:03,144 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1065 00:46:03,184 --> 00:46:05,184 Speaker 1: And that's the thing about seeing the different stage shows 1066 00:46:05,184 --> 00:46:08,424 Speaker 1: of Wicked is that every production and every performer puts 1067 00:46:08,464 --> 00:46:10,864 Speaker 1: their own spin on alfhe Bro and Englen. So every 1068 00:46:10,864 --> 00:46:13,984 Speaker 1: time you see these iconic songs perform, they're a bit different. 1069 00:46:13,984 --> 00:46:15,984 Speaker 1: So I was expecting them to be different in the movie. 1070 00:46:16,184 --> 00:46:19,064 Speaker 1: So with defining Gravity, yeah, they had longer breaks to 1071 00:46:19,104 --> 00:46:21,984 Speaker 1: show action, so to show her flying through and that 1072 00:46:22,064 --> 00:46:24,544 Speaker 1: idea of her seeing her younger self and how it 1073 00:46:24,584 --> 00:46:27,224 Speaker 1: transforms into the broom was added for the movie. 1074 00:46:27,784 --> 00:46:28,664 Speaker 2: Ah. 1075 00:46:28,944 --> 00:46:31,224 Speaker 1: I loved the symbolism of it. I like it now 1076 00:46:31,344 --> 00:46:33,024 Speaker 1: more that I thought about it. But in the moment, 1077 00:46:33,344 --> 00:46:34,824 Speaker 1: I just want to hear the song of the lyrics, 1078 00:46:34,864 --> 00:46:35,944 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to Yeah. 1079 00:46:35,824 --> 00:46:37,784 Speaker 2: I was saying I didn't like it because I was 1080 00:46:37,864 --> 00:46:40,784 Speaker 2: singing along. Yeah that kind of throw me off. 1081 00:46:41,064 --> 00:46:43,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, this isn't the first I know I 1082 00:46:43,064 --> 00:46:45,784 Speaker 1: think maybe for me, now that I look at it 1083 00:46:45,824 --> 00:46:47,584 Speaker 1: as the ending of a movie, not the ending of 1084 00:46:47,584 --> 00:46:49,424 Speaker 1: a musical, I can see how well it works in 1085 00:46:49,504 --> 00:46:52,464 Speaker 1: terms of setting up the story and the character and 1086 00:46:52,544 --> 00:46:55,624 Speaker 1: having this moment where you have this Catharsis from this 1087 00:46:55,744 --> 00:46:59,664 Speaker 1: bullied little girl to finding out who she really isn't 1088 00:46:59,864 --> 00:47:03,224 Speaker 1: and throwing away everything she ever wanted and reconciling with 1089 00:47:03,264 --> 00:47:05,784 Speaker 1: her younger self like I'm sorry, I threw away what 1090 00:47:05,784 --> 00:47:07,304 Speaker 1: we wanted, but this next thing is going to be 1091 00:47:07,384 --> 00:47:09,144 Speaker 1: more important. It's going to be better. And you see 1092 00:47:09,184 --> 00:47:11,584 Speaker 1: her sort of have that moment, and when you're watching 1093 00:47:11,624 --> 00:47:14,224 Speaker 1: it as a musical theater fan, you just want the 1094 00:47:14,344 --> 00:47:16,824 Speaker 1: song to continue and you don't want to have all 1095 00:47:16,824 --> 00:47:20,784 Speaker 1: those pausing moments for exposition. But as a storytelling element, 1096 00:47:21,384 --> 00:47:23,864 Speaker 1: I feel that it worked really well. And obviously, when 1097 00:47:23,864 --> 00:47:26,264 Speaker 1: Cynthia hits that high note, like all bets. 1098 00:47:25,984 --> 00:47:35,264 Speaker 3: Are off, she's actually in the room, And I think. 1099 00:47:35,144 --> 00:47:37,544 Speaker 1: So much is really put on Alphabet's character in that moment. 1100 00:47:37,584 --> 00:47:39,984 Speaker 1: But I think the other more interesting thing and what 1101 00:47:40,064 --> 00:47:41,864 Speaker 1: makes her such an interesting character, and I hate wh 1102 00:47:41,864 --> 00:47:44,464 Speaker 1: people write her off as a bimbo is like Glinda, 1103 00:47:44,544 --> 00:47:46,824 Speaker 1: what she does in that moment of choosing to stay 1104 00:47:46,824 --> 00:47:49,744 Speaker 1: behind and choosing power and popularity at the end of 1105 00:47:49,784 --> 00:47:53,664 Speaker 1: the day over friendship is such a big character moment 1106 00:47:53,664 --> 00:47:55,864 Speaker 1: for her, and I loved how they show that the movie, 1107 00:47:56,144 --> 00:47:59,224 Speaker 1: when Madame Morrible, who hates Glinda but all of a 1108 00:47:59,264 --> 00:48:02,144 Speaker 1: sudden realizes like she's so clever, she's doing damage control 1109 00:48:02,184 --> 00:48:03,744 Speaker 1: straight away. She's like, I've got to get this woman 1110 00:48:03,784 --> 00:48:07,144 Speaker 1: on my side. When you see Madame Morrible hug Glinda 1111 00:48:07,184 --> 00:48:10,744 Speaker 1: and then the camera closes in on Glinda's hand and 1112 00:48:10,784 --> 00:48:13,264 Speaker 1: she's got hands around matter Morrible, but she's almost still 1113 00:48:13,264 --> 00:48:16,224 Speaker 1: deciding what to do, and when she leans and hugs 1114 00:48:16,264 --> 00:48:19,264 Speaker 1: her tightly, like you see Glinda's hand tighten, it's seeing 1115 00:48:19,304 --> 00:48:22,344 Speaker 1: the decision of her throwing away her friendship and choosing 1116 00:48:22,384 --> 00:48:25,984 Speaker 1: power and privilege overdoing what's right, and kind of cementing 1117 00:48:26,024 --> 00:48:27,144 Speaker 1: where her story is going to go. 1118 00:48:27,464 --> 00:48:29,264 Speaker 2: Oh, so many things. 1119 00:48:29,704 --> 00:48:31,584 Speaker 1: I'm just not ready for part two, which is coming 1120 00:48:31,584 --> 00:48:32,824 Speaker 1: out next year, and it's like. 1121 00:48:32,904 --> 00:48:36,144 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll be ready then, but now, oh, it's a. 1122 00:48:36,184 --> 00:48:37,144 Speaker 3: Year long intermission. 1123 00:48:37,144 --> 00:48:39,704 Speaker 1: But that's fine, But you know, overall, you had any of. 1124 00:48:39,664 --> 00:48:43,904 Speaker 2: Us Brutally honest reviewal Part two, twenty twenty five it's coming. 1125 00:48:43,944 --> 00:48:46,864 Speaker 1: But Yeah, overall, I think it's an incredible adaptation of 1126 00:48:47,384 --> 00:48:49,864 Speaker 1: an incredible show, and I think the more people I know, 1127 00:48:49,904 --> 00:48:51,864 Speaker 1: like musical theater fans, are really protective of it. But 1128 00:48:51,904 --> 00:48:54,064 Speaker 1: I just think the more people that have access to 1129 00:48:54,104 --> 00:48:56,064 Speaker 1: this story and these songs, the better, Like, you know, 1130 00:48:56,144 --> 00:48:57,344 Speaker 1: more wicked in the world. 1131 00:49:02,104 --> 00:49:05,344 Speaker 3: A weekend watch it is. 1132 00:49:05,344 --> 00:49:08,064 Speaker 2: A weekend watch time where we give you TV and 1133 00:49:08,144 --> 00:49:10,904 Speaker 2: movie recommendations that have been out this week that you 1134 00:49:10,944 --> 00:49:13,264 Speaker 2: can watch over the weekend and then tell us how 1135 00:49:13,344 --> 00:49:17,624 Speaker 2: good they were. I'm gonna go first because I saw 1136 00:49:17,704 --> 00:49:20,544 Speaker 2: a little on Netflix film. I'm keeping in the theme 1137 00:49:20,784 --> 00:49:25,784 Speaker 2: of me just constantly recommending Christmas movies because our friend 1138 00:49:25,904 --> 00:49:28,904 Speaker 2: Lindsay Lohan, friend of the podcast, Are you happy interviewed 1139 00:49:28,904 --> 00:49:29,664 Speaker 2: her yet? No? 1140 00:49:29,384 --> 00:49:31,784 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I haven't interviewed her. I've only we 1141 00:49:31,824 --> 00:49:34,264 Speaker 1: did interview her for the side I outsourced that one. 1142 00:49:34,504 --> 00:49:36,184 Speaker 1: I've only ever met her and Bean Starstock. 1143 00:49:36,384 --> 00:49:39,784 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, she's in a brand new film on Netflix. 1144 00:49:39,904 --> 00:49:42,944 Speaker 2: It's kind of a holiday romantic comedy that stars her 1145 00:49:43,264 --> 00:49:46,264 Speaker 2: who plays this woman named Avery, and Ian Harding, who 1146 00:49:46,304 --> 00:49:48,344 Speaker 2: you would know from Pritticlar Life. He has a bit 1147 00:49:48,384 --> 00:49:51,464 Speaker 2: of a problematic character. Yes, he was a great character 1148 00:49:51,464 --> 00:49:53,344 Speaker 2: when I was younger, but as an adult watching back 1149 00:49:53,384 --> 00:49:54,864 Speaker 2: and really lies, I'm like, that's a bit weird, like 1150 00:49:55,784 --> 00:49:58,224 Speaker 2: a cep, a bit of a creep. He plays logan 1151 00:49:58,504 --> 00:50:02,104 Speaker 2: And it kind of revolves around them having a really 1152 00:50:02,304 --> 00:50:09,584 Speaker 2: awkward Christmas reunion. Why because they were ex lovers to 1153 00:50:09,624 --> 00:50:13,104 Speaker 2: the point where they nearly got engaged, and now they 1154 00:50:13,224 --> 00:50:17,784 Speaker 2: realized that the partners that they're dating are siblings and 1155 00:50:17,984 --> 00:50:20,704 Speaker 2: they have to spend Christmas together and they're trying to 1156 00:50:20,744 --> 00:50:25,544 Speaker 2: keep this huge secret from everyone, including the matriarch of 1157 00:50:25,584 --> 00:50:30,104 Speaker 2: the household, who is played by Kristin Chenowith from Wicked 1158 00:50:30,664 --> 00:50:33,064 Speaker 2: as the Mum, who tries to kind of like unravel. 1159 00:50:33,184 --> 00:50:35,584 Speaker 2: All mums know something is up. She knows something is up, 1160 00:50:35,864 --> 00:50:38,344 Speaker 2: and it all goes to pretty much shit. But it 1161 00:50:38,424 --> 00:50:40,544 Speaker 2: is so so funny, it's so good. It's one of 1162 00:50:40,584 --> 00:50:43,224 Speaker 2: those kind of holiday movies that you just put on. 1163 00:50:43,544 --> 00:50:46,264 Speaker 2: You have a glass of wine, mulled wine, maybe you 1164 00:50:46,344 --> 00:50:48,304 Speaker 2: eat like a little pie and you just have the 1165 00:50:48,304 --> 00:50:51,184 Speaker 2: best time of your life. This is called Our Little 1166 00:50:51,224 --> 00:50:53,144 Speaker 2: Secret out on Netflix right now. 1167 00:50:53,544 --> 00:50:54,064 Speaker 3: Imagine this. 1168 00:50:54,424 --> 00:50:56,744 Speaker 2: I'm spending the holidays with my boyfriend's family, for the 1169 00:50:56,784 --> 00:51:01,824 Speaker 2: first time. This is for you. Look, it's a screw 1170 00:51:01,904 --> 00:51:03,744 Speaker 2: talk that's from Easy. 1171 00:51:05,144 --> 00:51:07,784 Speaker 3: Here we go. He has a lot of family members, 1172 00:51:07,984 --> 00:51:11,024 Speaker 3: too many to remember, and his sister is also bringing someone. 1173 00:51:11,024 --> 00:51:16,224 Speaker 2: I want you to meet Logan, my ex will you No, Logan, 1174 00:51:16,704 --> 00:51:17,544 Speaker 2: I will not marry you. 1175 00:51:19,064 --> 00:51:20,304 Speaker 3: It's so great to meet you. 1176 00:51:20,584 --> 00:51:25,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, you cannot tell anyone about us, and this is funny. 1177 00:51:25,304 --> 00:51:27,304 Speaker 2: The last thing I need is to get out woman ammunition. 1178 00:51:27,624 --> 00:51:28,664 Speaker 2: Do we have an understanding? 1179 00:51:28,784 --> 00:51:29,984 Speaker 4: You are a nightmare? 1180 00:51:31,464 --> 00:51:31,904 Speaker 3: I love that. 1181 00:51:31,904 --> 00:51:32,064 Speaker 4: Well. 1182 00:51:32,064 --> 00:51:34,544 Speaker 1: I'm also recommending a movie and it has a bit 1183 00:51:34,544 --> 00:51:35,824 Speaker 1: of also a Christmas tinge to it. 1184 00:51:35,824 --> 00:51:37,464 Speaker 3: I guess we're getting into that type of thanks that 1185 00:51:37,624 --> 00:51:38,304 Speaker 3: time here. 1186 00:51:38,504 --> 00:51:39,504 Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate that. 1187 00:51:39,904 --> 00:51:43,464 Speaker 1: So this is a new original Australian movie that's premiering 1188 00:51:43,464 --> 00:51:46,104 Speaker 1: this week on Sunday, put in your calendar, called How 1189 00:51:46,144 --> 00:51:48,944 Speaker 1: to Make Gravy And Yes, it is based on the 1190 00:51:49,064 --> 00:51:51,584 Speaker 1: lyrics of the iconic Paul Kelly's song. 1191 00:51:51,744 --> 00:51:53,424 Speaker 2: Who's going to make the Gravy? 1192 00:51:56,744 --> 00:52:01,224 Speaker 1: I've been a Wrong Place the same, which has become 1193 00:52:01,384 --> 00:52:03,864 Speaker 1: a real Aussie classic over the years, to the point 1194 00:52:03,904 --> 00:52:07,024 Speaker 1: where Gravy Days being now named as December twenty one 1195 00:52:07,064 --> 00:52:08,704 Speaker 1: and people celebrate the song worldwide. 1196 00:52:08,704 --> 00:52:09,824 Speaker 3: It's a whole situation that. 1197 00:52:09,824 --> 00:52:11,904 Speaker 2: Is also my parents wedding anniversary. 1198 00:52:11,904 --> 00:52:13,584 Speaker 3: No do they know they got married on Gravy Day. 1199 00:52:13,584 --> 00:52:14,624 Speaker 2: I don't think same for them. 1200 00:52:15,264 --> 00:52:18,424 Speaker 1: So the song has been adapted into a movie by 1201 00:52:18,584 --> 00:52:22,064 Speaker 1: Nick Waterman and it also has original music by Aria 1202 00:52:22,104 --> 00:52:25,864 Speaker 1: Award winning musician Meghan Washington. Fun fact, Nick and Meaghan 1203 00:52:25,944 --> 00:52:28,024 Speaker 1: are married and they are like a creative Yet you 1204 00:52:28,064 --> 00:52:30,664 Speaker 1: hate people who are both like happily married and in 1205 00:52:30,664 --> 00:52:33,264 Speaker 1: love and they're also both creative genuses and they work 1206 00:52:33,344 --> 00:52:35,184 Speaker 1: together to create things. 1207 00:52:35,264 --> 00:52:35,624 Speaker 3: Hate that. 1208 00:52:36,064 --> 00:52:37,144 Speaker 2: So is it a musical. 1209 00:52:37,384 --> 00:52:38,664 Speaker 1: It's got music woven into it. 1210 00:52:39,144 --> 00:52:40,824 Speaker 3: It's not like it's not like a Wicked level. 1211 00:52:40,584 --> 00:52:43,664 Speaker 1: Production or anything like that. So it tells the story 1212 00:52:43,704 --> 00:52:45,864 Speaker 1: of a prisoner named Joe who writes letter to his 1213 00:52:45,904 --> 00:52:48,544 Speaker 1: brother Dan, longing to be with family at Christmas. It's 1214 00:52:48,544 --> 00:52:52,584 Speaker 1: got a really incredible cast. So Joe is played by 1215 00:52:52,744 --> 00:52:55,504 Speaker 1: Daniel Henschel, who people would know from Snowtown and Mystery 1216 00:52:55,544 --> 00:52:58,624 Speaker 1: Road origin. A little No One actor called Hugo Weaving 1217 00:52:58,664 --> 00:53:01,024 Speaker 1: from a Little Knowen franchise Lord of the Rings but 1218 00:53:01,144 --> 00:53:03,144 Speaker 1: also Love Me on Bind which is a great show, 1219 00:53:03,384 --> 00:53:05,584 Speaker 1: plays Noel who throws a lifeline to Joe in prison, 1220 00:53:05,944 --> 00:53:09,904 Speaker 1: a really incredible austrayed cast, including Kate mulvaney, who is 1221 00:53:09,904 --> 00:53:12,984 Speaker 1: one of my favorite stage actresses and also in this movie. 1222 00:53:13,064 --> 00:53:16,664 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just a really incredibly made you feel good. Yeah, 1223 00:53:16,664 --> 00:53:18,544 Speaker 1: there's a lot of elements of that, and also just 1224 00:53:18,544 --> 00:53:20,744 Speaker 1: a really incredibly made a strain production. 1225 00:53:21,024 --> 00:53:24,304 Speaker 3: He's telling everyone you'll be home for his birthday, will you? 1226 00:53:24,824 --> 00:53:27,304 Speaker 2: I'll be out of you by July with good behavior. 1227 00:53:31,344 --> 00:53:39,944 Speaker 2: Sunta real sin, do you think it's easy to get 1228 00:53:39,944 --> 00:53:40,664 Speaker 2: sucked into a lot? 1229 00:53:40,784 --> 00:53:44,344 Speaker 1: The history shit in here and at some point I 1230 00:53:44,464 --> 00:53:48,344 Speaker 1: realize and they have alive? So how to make gravy? 1231 00:53:48,344 --> 00:53:50,904 Speaker 1: It's out on Binge this weekend. Make sure you watch 1232 00:53:50,904 --> 00:53:51,984 Speaker 1: it and suport this movie. 1233 00:53:52,264 --> 00:53:54,584 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 1234 00:53:54,984 --> 00:53:57,304 Speaker 2: We know you love our Broodley honest reviews and guess what, 1235 00:53:57,424 --> 00:53:59,984 Speaker 2: we love doing them. We've done a bunch of them 1236 00:54:00,024 --> 00:54:02,504 Speaker 2: this year. We will put a few links to them 1237 00:54:02,544 --> 00:54:05,584 Speaker 2: in our show notes, including our latest one before Wicked, 1238 00:54:05,744 --> 00:54:09,144 Speaker 2: Gladiator two, which still holds up as my favorite one 1239 00:54:09,144 --> 00:54:12,624 Speaker 2: we've done so far. The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish, 1240 00:54:12,624 --> 00:54:15,264 Speaker 2: with audio production by Scott Stronik. We will be back 1241 00:54:15,264 --> 00:54:17,504 Speaker 2: in your podcast feed at three pm on Monday. 1242 00:54:17,864 --> 00:54:23,144 Speaker 3: Bye bye,