1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:09,135 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,695 --> 00:00:17,735 Speaker 2: Good morning from gadagal Land. I'm Taylor Strano. In a 3 00:00:17,775 --> 00:00:20,655 Speaker 2: space of forty eight hours, we've seen four shark attacks 4 00:00:20,655 --> 00:00:25,255 Speaker 2: at four separate beaches across New South Wales. It's unprecedented 5 00:00:25,535 --> 00:00:27,935 Speaker 2: and it's left people with a lot of questions like 6 00:00:28,135 --> 00:00:30,655 Speaker 2: why so many attacks and when can I actually go 7 00:00:30,735 --> 00:00:34,254 Speaker 2: back in the water. Plus, Brooklyn Beckham has addressed the 8 00:00:34,375 --> 00:00:38,254 Speaker 2: long standing rumors surrounding a heated family feud in a 9 00:00:38,415 --> 00:00:42,254 Speaker 2: multi slide Instagram confessional. We've got all the details for 10 00:00:42,335 --> 00:00:44,694 Speaker 2: you on that, but before we get there, Clare Murpho's 11 00:00:44,695 --> 00:00:47,894 Speaker 2: got your news headlines for Wednesday, January twenty one. 12 00:00:48,135 --> 00:00:48,815 Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. 13 00:00:48,934 --> 00:00:52,055 Speaker 1: New hate speech laws are already facing a possible legal 14 00:00:52,135 --> 00:00:55,815 Speaker 1: challenge from a prominent neo Nazi after finally passing Parliament. 15 00:00:56,255 --> 00:00:59,415 Speaker 1: The legislation, which passed late last night, aims to restrict 16 00:00:59,415 --> 00:01:02,855 Speaker 1: the ability of hardline radical groups to incite violence against 17 00:01:02,895 --> 00:01:06,375 Speaker 1: people based on their faith, while also making it easier 18 00:01:06,415 --> 00:01:09,735 Speaker 1: to deport extremists and deny the entry to Australia. It 19 00:01:09,815 --> 00:01:12,815 Speaker 1: was drawn up after the December fourteenth anti Semitic terror 20 00:01:12,895 --> 00:01:16,455 Speaker 1: attack at Bondai beach, which left fifteen people dead. The 21 00:01:16,495 --> 00:01:19,175 Speaker 1: government's bill went through with the support of most Liberals 22 00:01:19,255 --> 00:01:22,255 Speaker 1: during a late night Senate sitting, but the Nationals voted 23 00:01:22,255 --> 00:01:25,455 Speaker 1: against it after raising concerns about its potential impacts on 24 00:01:25,535 --> 00:01:29,335 Speaker 1: freedom of speech. Liberal Senator Alexantik also crossed the floor 25 00:01:29,375 --> 00:01:32,935 Speaker 1: to oppose the bill, while NT Senator just Into nampajimp 26 00:01:32,935 --> 00:01:35,655 Speaker 1: for Price, who sits in the Liberal party room abstained. 27 00:01:36,015 --> 00:01:38,495 Speaker 1: Thomas Sull, formerly head of the neo Nazi group the 28 00:01:38,575 --> 00:01:42,255 Speaker 1: National Socialist Network, is raising money to challenge the laws. 29 00:01:42,535 --> 00:01:45,255 Speaker 1: As of Tuesday evening, he'd raised almost one hundred and 30 00:01:45,335 --> 00:01:50,055 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars. Controversial protest restrictions in New South Wales 31 00:01:50,095 --> 00:01:52,815 Speaker 1: have been extended for another fortnight, with an exemption created 32 00:01:52,855 --> 00:01:56,055 Speaker 1: to allow invasion day rallies to proceed. New South Wales 33 00:01:56,095 --> 00:01:59,615 Speaker 1: Police Commissioner mal Lanion announced the decision on Tuesday, less 34 00:01:59,615 --> 00:02:02,775 Speaker 1: than six weeks after the Bondai terror attack prompted fears 35 00:02:02,815 --> 00:02:05,935 Speaker 1: about public cohesion and safety, saying this this is about 36 00:02:06,015 --> 00:02:09,455 Speaker 1: making sure we enable people to protest, enable free speech, 37 00:02:09,695 --> 00:02:12,935 Speaker 1: but make sure the community remains safe. The affected area 38 00:02:12,975 --> 00:02:16,135 Speaker 1: has been pared back from most of Sydney's metropolitan Area 39 00:02:16,175 --> 00:02:20,335 Speaker 1: to encompass Darling Harbour, the Northern city center excluding Hyde Park, 40 00:02:20,615 --> 00:02:24,055 Speaker 1: and the eastern suburbs. The amended declaration means the city's 41 00:02:24,095 --> 00:02:27,415 Speaker 1: annual Invasion Day rallies can proceed as planned on January 42 00:02:27,415 --> 00:02:30,895 Speaker 1: twenty six, and Anti Immigration March for Australia has also 43 00:02:30,935 --> 00:02:34,975 Speaker 1: been authorized to proceed on January twenty six. Prince Harry 44 00:02:35,055 --> 00:02:37,575 Speaker 1: is due to start giving evidence in a UK court today. 45 00:02:37,695 --> 00:02:40,975 Speaker 1: Is He and several other high profile claimants banned together 46 00:02:41,095 --> 00:02:43,734 Speaker 1: in an attempt to prove The Daily Mail used concerning 47 00:02:43,815 --> 00:02:47,375 Speaker 1: tactics to infiltrate their private lives for stories. The Duke 48 00:02:47,415 --> 00:02:50,615 Speaker 1: of Sussex and six other claimants, including singer Elton John, 49 00:02:50,815 --> 00:02:54,615 Speaker 1: assuing The Mail's publisher Associated Newspapers at the High Court 50 00:02:54,935 --> 00:02:57,815 Speaker 1: for violations of their privacy over more than two decades 51 00:02:57,815 --> 00:03:01,895 Speaker 1: from the early nineteen nineties. The claims include hacking voicemail messages, 52 00:03:01,935 --> 00:03:06,175 Speaker 1: bugging landlines and blagging, which is obtaining private information by deception. 53 00:03:06,695 --> 00:03:10,415 Speaker 1: Associated says the stories about Harry originated from contacts, press 54 00:03:10,455 --> 00:03:14,255 Speaker 1: officers or other legitimate sources. Harry became the first royal 55 00:03:14,295 --> 00:03:16,575 Speaker 1: in a UK witness box in one hundred and thirty 56 00:03:16,655 --> 00:03:20,695 Speaker 1: years during his twenty twenty three lawsuit against another tabloid group. 57 00:03:21,495 --> 00:03:24,695 Speaker 1: Midnight Oil's founding member and drummer Rob Hurst has died 58 00:03:24,695 --> 00:03:27,055 Speaker 1: at the age of seventy after a nearly three year 59 00:03:27,095 --> 00:03:30,055 Speaker 1: battle with pancreatic cancer. In a post on the band's 60 00:03:30,095 --> 00:03:33,255 Speaker 1: Facebook page, they wrote that Hurst had died peacefully surrounded 61 00:03:33,255 --> 00:03:37,095 Speaker 1: by loved ones, saying after fighting heroically for almost three years, 62 00:03:37,375 --> 00:03:39,935 Speaker 1: Rob is now free of pain. A glimmer of tiny 63 00:03:40,015 --> 00:03:43,255 Speaker 1: light in the wilderness. Iconic Ossie rocker Jimmy Barnes paid 64 00:03:43,295 --> 00:03:46,055 Speaker 1: tribute to Hurst in a social media post, saying he 65 00:03:46,095 --> 00:03:49,215 Speaker 1: had a massive impact on Australian culture, calling him the 66 00:03:49,255 --> 00:03:52,175 Speaker 1: engine driving one of the greatest live bands of all time. 67 00:03:52,575 --> 00:03:54,615 Speaker 1: Hurst played a role in writing some of the band's 68 00:03:54,655 --> 00:03:57,935 Speaker 1: most iconic songs, including Beds of Burning Blue, sky Mine 69 00:03:58,015 --> 00:04:00,935 Speaker 1: and Power and the Passion. He was diagnosed with cancer 70 00:04:01,055 --> 00:04:03,495 Speaker 1: just six months after the band played their final show 71 00:04:03,535 --> 00:04:06,615 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, told he'd have six months to 72 00:04:06,655 --> 00:04:09,895 Speaker 1: live if he was lucky, but he outlived the predictions. 73 00:04:10,135 --> 00:04:12,295 Speaker 1: In an interview back in November, he explained that he 74 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:14,535 Speaker 1: didn't have much breath left to play the big drum 75 00:04:14,615 --> 00:04:17,054 Speaker 1: kit anymore, but that he still strum the guitar and 76 00:04:17,094 --> 00:04:19,495 Speaker 1: wrote songs, saying he felt lucky to still be able 77 00:04:19,534 --> 00:04:22,895 Speaker 1: to do that. Queer Eye star Caramo Brown has pulled 78 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:25,375 Speaker 1: out of planned interviews with his TV show co stars 79 00:04:25,415 --> 00:04:28,054 Speaker 1: as they wrap up the show after ten years. Brown 80 00:04:28,295 --> 00:04:30,615 Speaker 1: was due to make appearances on several morning shows this 81 00:04:30,655 --> 00:04:33,214 Speaker 1: week in the US to promote the final season, but 82 00:04:33,335 --> 00:04:36,654 Speaker 1: didn't show, sending a video message to the NBC Morning 83 00:04:36,655 --> 00:04:40,335 Speaker 1: Show to explain that he's felt mentally and emotionally abused 84 00:04:40,375 --> 00:04:42,895 Speaker 1: for years and has been advised by his therapists to 85 00:04:42,935 --> 00:04:46,055 Speaker 1: protect himself and his piece by not attending. Brown did 86 00:04:46,135 --> 00:04:49,375 Speaker 1: not specify which of his Queer Eye coastars was responsible 87 00:04:49,415 --> 00:04:52,535 Speaker 1: for the alleged abuse. He still encouraged fans to watch 88 00:04:52,535 --> 00:04:54,855 Speaker 1: the final season, saying he loved every minute of it, 89 00:04:55,095 --> 00:04:57,974 Speaker 1: thanking everyone from the crew to the execs at Netflix, 90 00:04:58,015 --> 00:05:00,375 Speaker 1: but not any of his co stars. The rest of 91 00:05:00,375 --> 00:05:03,735 Speaker 1: the stars had to face interviews explaining Caroamo's absence. Anthony 92 00:05:03,775 --> 00:05:05,335 Speaker 1: is saying that they're a family who've been doing the 93 00:05:05,375 --> 00:05:08,335 Speaker 1: sh show for almost a decade and families are complicated. 94 00:05:08,815 --> 00:05:18,895 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, what's caused the spike in shark attacks. Claire, 95 00:05:19,175 --> 00:05:21,575 Speaker 2: it's really nice to have you with us for a 96 00:05:21,695 --> 00:05:24,935 Speaker 2: whole big conversation on the Quiki today. Two stories we're 97 00:05:24,935 --> 00:05:27,255 Speaker 2: going to cover will start with what you're bringing though, 98 00:05:27,375 --> 00:05:29,895 Speaker 2: which is quite alarming. I feel like we haven't seen 99 00:05:29,935 --> 00:05:33,135 Speaker 2: a headline like this in a while. At the time 100 00:05:33,135 --> 00:05:36,534 Speaker 2: of recording four shark attacks in the space of forty 101 00:05:36,615 --> 00:05:39,255 Speaker 2: eight hours, tell me you've been looking into it. 102 00:05:39,295 --> 00:05:41,575 Speaker 1: What's the go Over the years we have touched on 103 00:05:41,655 --> 00:05:44,695 Speaker 1: shark attacks on the Quiki because they seem to be 104 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:48,615 Speaker 1: coming and going in cycles. But this current spike, I 105 00:05:48,615 --> 00:05:50,815 Speaker 1: guess you would call it. You're right, there has been 106 00:05:51,055 --> 00:05:54,135 Speaker 1: as of recording four in a forty eight hour space. 107 00:05:54,615 --> 00:05:58,295 Speaker 1: So for us looking at these headlines, it looks like 108 00:05:58,335 --> 00:06:01,695 Speaker 1: there's been a really big spike in shark bites. And 109 00:06:02,775 --> 00:06:06,455 Speaker 1: yes and no so yes, having for within a very 110 00:06:06,455 --> 00:06:09,135 Speaker 1: short space of time is unusual. But that's not to 111 00:06:09,135 --> 00:06:11,455 Speaker 1: say we don't get a frequent amount of shark bites 112 00:06:11,495 --> 00:06:15,775 Speaker 1: every year. We luckily haven't had as many fatal shark 113 00:06:15,815 --> 00:06:18,935 Speaker 1: bites in this past year. There was a time in 114 00:06:18,975 --> 00:06:21,855 Speaker 1: twenty twenty where we had a run, really unfortunate run 115 00:06:21,895 --> 00:06:24,974 Speaker 1: of fatal shark attacks. But the reason for this little 116 00:06:24,975 --> 00:06:28,215 Speaker 1: spike and then being so close together is what experts 117 00:06:28,215 --> 00:06:30,135 Speaker 1: are telling us is due to the weather. So you 118 00:06:30,255 --> 00:06:32,414 Speaker 1: might know that very recently we had some very heavy 119 00:06:32,495 --> 00:06:35,855 Speaker 1: rains in Sydney and that creates what And you might 120 00:06:35,855 --> 00:06:38,414 Speaker 1: have heard this quite a bit in reporting brackish water. 121 00:06:38,655 --> 00:06:40,495 Speaker 2: Yeah, so can you explain to us when I hear 122 00:06:40,535 --> 00:06:42,775 Speaker 2: the words brackish water. I have an idea, but I 123 00:06:42,775 --> 00:06:44,135 Speaker 2: would love a concrete picture. 124 00:06:44,215 --> 00:06:47,135 Speaker 1: So brackish water is just when salt water and freshwater 125 00:06:47,175 --> 00:06:50,175 Speaker 1: come together. So there's been a lot of freshwater that 126 00:06:50,215 --> 00:06:53,215 Speaker 1: has been expelled from rivers out into the salt water, 127 00:06:53,575 --> 00:06:58,055 Speaker 1: and it does bring different sea life into different areas. 128 00:06:58,455 --> 00:07:01,495 Speaker 1: But also there are some other authorities have said that 129 00:07:01,535 --> 00:07:06,775 Speaker 1: Sydney's sewage system can't maintain that amount of downpour. The 130 00:07:06,815 --> 00:07:09,815 Speaker 1: sewage pipes, which are very very old in Sydney, they 131 00:07:10,015 --> 00:07:13,375 Speaker 1: overflow when you have just twenty millimeters of rain, and 132 00:07:13,655 --> 00:07:16,415 Speaker 1: there was one hundred and twenty seven millimeters in Sydney 133 00:07:16,535 --> 00:07:20,095 Speaker 1: that past weekend. So when those pipes overflow, there's obviously 134 00:07:20,135 --> 00:07:23,335 Speaker 1: more sewage that gets flushed out into the ocean that 135 00:07:23,415 --> 00:07:27,575 Speaker 1: brings bait fish in to feed off the sewerage, and 136 00:07:27,615 --> 00:07:31,815 Speaker 1: then that of course brings sharks in who feed on baitfish. 137 00:07:31,855 --> 00:07:34,855 Speaker 2: And then of course when you have wilder whether you 138 00:07:34,935 --> 00:07:37,695 Speaker 2: have rain, you have wind, that also stirs up serve conditions, 139 00:07:37,735 --> 00:07:39,615 Speaker 2: which then brings humans into. 140 00:07:39,455 --> 00:07:42,215 Speaker 1: The water exactly. And we've had this weird time where 141 00:07:42,215 --> 00:07:44,255 Speaker 1: it's been hot, then cold, than hot than cold. So 142 00:07:44,295 --> 00:07:46,535 Speaker 1: when the weather then warms up, all of a sudden, 143 00:07:46,615 --> 00:07:48,255 Speaker 1: everyone goes to the beach and gets in the water. 144 00:07:48,735 --> 00:07:52,295 Speaker 1: We spoke to Andreanna Fragola a little while ago. She's 145 00:07:52,335 --> 00:07:56,455 Speaker 1: a shark safety diver and marine biologist, and she spoke 146 00:07:56,495 --> 00:07:59,495 Speaker 1: to us about shark attacks and survival skills where it 147 00:07:59,535 --> 00:08:03,175 Speaker 1: comes to sharks, and she mentioned bull sharks and they 148 00:08:03,175 --> 00:08:05,295 Speaker 1: have been named as the potential species on most of 149 00:08:05,295 --> 00:08:07,895 Speaker 1: these recent attacks, and she says that's because they do 150 00:08:08,375 --> 00:08:11,455 Speaker 1: act differently than other types of sharks. Have a listen 151 00:08:11,535 --> 00:08:11,695 Speaker 1: to this. 152 00:08:12,095 --> 00:08:15,495 Speaker 4: Bull sharks get a really bad reputation because they do 153 00:08:15,575 --> 00:08:19,055 Speaker 4: have one of the highest bite records on humans. They 154 00:08:19,095 --> 00:08:24,535 Speaker 4: tend to live and populate areas that are murkier and 155 00:08:25,215 --> 00:08:28,095 Speaker 4: just more difficult for them to see. They are also 156 00:08:28,175 --> 00:08:30,255 Speaker 4: a shark that has a wider diet range so they 157 00:08:30,255 --> 00:08:32,775 Speaker 4: will kind of eat a wider variety of things, so 158 00:08:32,814 --> 00:08:35,775 Speaker 4: they're not specifically targeting one type of fish all the time, 159 00:08:36,255 --> 00:08:39,335 Speaker 4: so that could lead to more increased chances of a 160 00:08:39,375 --> 00:08:42,295 Speaker 4: confusion bite or a mistaken identity bite. 161 00:08:42,375 --> 00:08:44,735 Speaker 1: She also gave us some other advice as to what 162 00:08:44,815 --> 00:08:47,175 Speaker 1: to do in the water and what to do if 163 00:08:47,175 --> 00:08:50,135 Speaker 1: you're confronted by a shark. So, if you act more 164 00:08:50,255 --> 00:08:53,775 Speaker 1: like a predator than prey, sharks are more likely to 165 00:08:53,855 --> 00:08:56,935 Speaker 1: interpret you as a predator and may avoid you, so 166 00:08:56,975 --> 00:08:59,095 Speaker 1: she said this is probably more specific to people who 167 00:08:59,175 --> 00:09:02,335 Speaker 1: are swimming under the water, so snorkelers and divers. If 168 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:04,574 Speaker 1: you always look up and around you and make eye 169 00:09:04,655 --> 00:09:06,895 Speaker 1: contact with any thing that's in your vicinity, the chances 170 00:09:06,895 --> 00:09:09,135 Speaker 1: of a shark approaching you is less doesn't mean it's 171 00:09:09,175 --> 00:09:11,495 Speaker 1: one hundred percent not going to happen, but it's less 172 00:09:11,535 --> 00:09:13,775 Speaker 1: likely because they'll view more as a predator than prey. 173 00:09:14,095 --> 00:09:17,455 Speaker 1: She also said that you need to be really aware 174 00:09:17,895 --> 00:09:21,215 Speaker 1: that they are going to bite you as a last resort, 175 00:09:21,535 --> 00:09:24,175 Speaker 1: so they're more likely to have stalked you, maybe even 176 00:09:24,215 --> 00:09:26,295 Speaker 1: bumped into you as a bit of a test to 177 00:09:26,335 --> 00:09:28,495 Speaker 1: see what kind of prey you might be. First, So 178 00:09:28,535 --> 00:09:30,735 Speaker 1: if you do feel something touch you in the water, 179 00:09:30,895 --> 00:09:32,934 Speaker 1: probably a good idea to get out or make eye 180 00:09:32,975 --> 00:09:36,935 Speaker 1: contact if you possibly can. She also said that in 181 00:09:36,975 --> 00:09:38,735 Speaker 1: response to shark attacks, we're all told to punch it 182 00:09:38,735 --> 00:09:41,375 Speaker 1: in the nose. Right, that is not what we should 183 00:09:41,415 --> 00:09:44,775 Speaker 1: do because whilst you punch a shark, you might be underwater, 184 00:09:44,815 --> 00:09:46,455 Speaker 1: so the impact of it's probably not going to be 185 00:09:46,495 --> 00:09:49,935 Speaker 1: that much anyway. But also she said, the chances of 186 00:09:49,975 --> 00:09:53,334 Speaker 1: you actually pushing the shark's nose up and opening its 187 00:09:53,375 --> 00:09:56,255 Speaker 1: mouth wider is more and the chances are then your 188 00:09:56,335 --> 00:09:58,455 Speaker 1: hand will go into the shark's mouth and cause yourself 189 00:09:58,455 --> 00:10:00,814 Speaker 1: more injury. So don't do that. Two things you can 190 00:10:00,895 --> 00:10:05,454 Speaker 1: do that is gouget's eyes, because it would be protect 191 00:10:05,535 --> 00:10:07,415 Speaker 1: dive of its eye. As we mentioned, it's quite vulnerable 192 00:10:07,415 --> 00:10:11,574 Speaker 1: when it's biting you. The other thing, she said, may 193 00:10:11,655 --> 00:10:14,295 Speaker 1: feel like the exact opposite of what comes naturally to 194 00:10:14,415 --> 00:10:15,575 Speaker 1: us as humans, if. 195 00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:17,454 Speaker 4: You're able to kind of put pressure on them or 196 00:10:17,535 --> 00:10:21,135 Speaker 4: hug them. Sharks don't typically like being touched or feeling 197 00:10:21,215 --> 00:10:23,175 Speaker 4: that type of pressure because then they will feel vulnerable. 198 00:10:23,255 --> 00:10:24,615 Speaker 3: Right, they feel like they're being trapped. 199 00:10:24,815 --> 00:10:27,655 Speaker 2: Okay, that is exactly what I would not do in 200 00:10:27,735 --> 00:10:29,335 Speaker 2: a shark confrontation. 201 00:10:29,695 --> 00:10:33,015 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's all our natural instinct is to push 202 00:10:33,095 --> 00:10:35,535 Speaker 1: away or to get away. But if you pull yourself 203 00:10:35,535 --> 00:10:37,135 Speaker 1: out of a shark's mouth, you're going to do yourself 204 00:10:37,135 --> 00:10:40,615 Speaker 1: more damage then if you were to hug it, pull 205 00:10:40,615 --> 00:10:42,535 Speaker 1: it closer to you, the shark is more likely to 206 00:10:42,615 --> 00:10:43,575 Speaker 1: let go and swim away. 207 00:10:44,015 --> 00:10:46,575 Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, so I guess this leaves us then, Claire 208 00:10:46,735 --> 00:10:49,175 Speaker 2: in a spot where a lot of people are asking, well, 209 00:10:49,175 --> 00:10:51,055 Speaker 2: when is it safe to go back in the water? 210 00:10:51,175 --> 00:10:52,535 Speaker 2: Are the beaches closed? 211 00:10:52,895 --> 00:10:53,015 Speaker 5: Like? 212 00:10:53,175 --> 00:10:56,575 Speaker 2: Where to from here? Because as we've mentioned, for in 213 00:10:56,695 --> 00:11:01,295 Speaker 2: forty eight hours, unprecedented, a huge spike. When does the 214 00:11:01,295 --> 00:11:03,175 Speaker 2: water clear up and we get the go ahead? 215 00:11:03,455 --> 00:11:05,855 Speaker 1: A lot of beaches are currently closed, and that's something 216 00:11:05,895 --> 00:11:08,535 Speaker 1: you'll need to monitor in your local area. As far 217 00:11:08,575 --> 00:11:11,175 Speaker 1: as when the water will be clear, that's not an 218 00:11:11,215 --> 00:11:14,215 Speaker 1: exact science. We don't know. It could be seven days, 219 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:17,095 Speaker 1: it could be longer, but to stay away, especially from 220 00:11:17,135 --> 00:11:19,615 Speaker 1: those areas it does have increased shark activity that we 221 00:11:19,695 --> 00:11:22,415 Speaker 1: know of at this point. There's also extra patrols going up. 222 00:11:22,455 --> 00:11:25,135 Speaker 1: The Westpac helicopter is going up and doing patrols. There 223 00:11:25,135 --> 00:11:27,655 Speaker 1: are jet ski patrols out. There are drones out, so 224 00:11:27,695 --> 00:11:29,295 Speaker 1: there is more of that happening. But due to the 225 00:11:29,335 --> 00:11:32,295 Speaker 1: murkiness of the water, it is harder to spot sharks 226 00:11:33,054 --> 00:11:35,015 Speaker 1: from the air, so it's not going to be as 227 00:11:35,054 --> 00:11:36,815 Speaker 1: easy for them to alert us if there are sharks 228 00:11:36,815 --> 00:11:38,735 Speaker 1: in the vicinity. So stay out of the water for 229 00:11:38,775 --> 00:11:41,135 Speaker 1: the next couple of days, but remember to this is 230 00:11:41,135 --> 00:11:43,934 Speaker 1: probably going to start happening more often. We did catch 231 00:11:43,975 --> 00:11:46,935 Speaker 1: up with doctor Blake Chapman. She's a marine biologist and 232 00:11:46,975 --> 00:11:50,775 Speaker 1: shark advocate based in Queensland, and she said, look, sharks 233 00:11:50,775 --> 00:11:53,015 Speaker 1: are coming closer and there's probably very good reason for that. 234 00:11:53,054 --> 00:11:55,975 Speaker 3: Have listen, we are starting to overlap more in sharks 235 00:11:56,054 --> 00:11:59,295 Speaker 3: fitting areas. And I say this because there's been a 236 00:11:59,295 --> 00:12:01,775 Speaker 3: lot of recent research and studies that have come out 237 00:12:02,054 --> 00:12:05,855 Speaker 3: suggesting that our currents are moving water temperature chain and 238 00:12:05,895 --> 00:12:08,695 Speaker 3: this is from things like climate change, but also more 239 00:12:08,935 --> 00:12:12,095 Speaker 3: acute weather patterns like the El Nina and La Nina cycles. 240 00:12:12,535 --> 00:12:15,815 Speaker 3: So if our currents shift closer to shore and the 241 00:12:15,855 --> 00:12:18,615 Speaker 3: water temperature changes, then this is going to be moving 242 00:12:18,895 --> 00:12:22,335 Speaker 3: prey populations. When we talk about white sharks, we're often 243 00:12:22,375 --> 00:12:26,495 Speaker 3: talking about Australian salmon and sometimes whale movements. So if 244 00:12:26,575 --> 00:12:29,535 Speaker 3: those animals are coming closer to the shore, then we 245 00:12:29,735 --> 00:12:32,334 Speaker 3: have to expect that the sharks are going to follow 246 00:12:32,375 --> 00:12:34,935 Speaker 3: suit and they will also be coming closer to shore 247 00:12:35,375 --> 00:12:37,855 Speaker 3: in a predatory mode. 248 00:12:38,975 --> 00:12:42,415 Speaker 2: Okay, So moving on to the other piece of news 249 00:12:42,455 --> 00:12:47,295 Speaker 2: that we must discuss, and that is, of course, Brooklyn Beckham. Yes, 250 00:12:47,495 --> 00:12:50,775 Speaker 2: so our friends over at the Spill Podcast have gone deep. 251 00:12:50,935 --> 00:12:53,375 Speaker 2: But to get you up to speed, there's been this 252 00:12:53,495 --> 00:12:56,855 Speaker 2: long standing rumor about a feud between David and Victoria 253 00:12:56,895 --> 00:13:01,375 Speaker 2: Beckham and their oldest son Brooklyn and his wife Nikola. 254 00:13:01,615 --> 00:13:05,855 Speaker 2: It'll kicked off around the time of Brooklyn and Nikola's wedding. 255 00:13:05,975 --> 00:13:10,095 Speaker 2: There were allegations of bad behavior not just ahead of 256 00:13:10,135 --> 00:13:14,334 Speaker 2: the event, but also during their nuptials, if you will. 257 00:13:14,775 --> 00:13:18,574 Speaker 2: And then what's followed on is years of people playing 258 00:13:19,015 --> 00:13:22,695 Speaker 2: detective seeing who is and who isn't, following each other 259 00:13:22,815 --> 00:13:27,175 Speaker 2: on Instagram, if Nicola and Brooklyn show up at these 260 00:13:27,215 --> 00:13:31,495 Speaker 2: big family events like David's fiftieth and when he was knighted, 261 00:13:31,615 --> 00:13:35,055 Speaker 2: and at one point early on in twenty twenty five, 262 00:13:35,215 --> 00:13:39,615 Speaker 2: Brooklyn sent his parents a desist letter saying he only 263 00:13:39,615 --> 00:13:43,335 Speaker 2: wanted to speak to them via the lawyers, essentially, which 264 00:13:43,455 --> 00:13:48,015 Speaker 2: leads us to now. Yesterday we awoke to Brooklyn posting 265 00:13:48,054 --> 00:13:53,615 Speaker 2: this six slide Instagram story statement about his parents and 266 00:13:53,655 --> 00:13:56,215 Speaker 2: his family. He said things along the lines that he 267 00:13:56,255 --> 00:13:59,735 Speaker 2: could no longer be controlled, that they were only concerned 268 00:13:59,735 --> 00:14:04,815 Speaker 2: about brand Beckham, and essentially like confirming these rumors of 269 00:14:04,855 --> 00:14:09,295 Speaker 2: a strain and relationships. I couldn't quite figure out the 270 00:14:09,335 --> 00:14:13,415 Speaker 2: timing of why now, so I reached out to former 271 00:14:13,535 --> 00:14:17,574 Speaker 2: Muma Meer editor and host of the Pylon podcast Claire 272 00:14:17,655 --> 00:14:20,015 Speaker 2: Stevens to get her insights. 273 00:14:20,495 --> 00:14:22,855 Speaker 5: I have so many thoughts and so many questions. There 274 00:14:22,895 --> 00:14:27,415 Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be anything super recent that's triggered this, 275 00:14:27,695 --> 00:14:32,135 Speaker 5: unless he has a new PR team, or perhaps he's 276 00:14:32,135 --> 00:14:35,335 Speaker 5: working on a new project. He just wants to forge ahead. 277 00:14:35,415 --> 00:14:37,295 Speaker 5: Like a lot of this stuff, it's been bubbling away 278 00:14:37,335 --> 00:14:40,415 Speaker 5: for years. I also believe that we need the footage 279 00:14:40,455 --> 00:14:44,095 Speaker 5: of that dance at the wedding immediately, where Victoria was 280 00:14:44,255 --> 00:14:49,895 Speaker 5: allegedly inappropriate a wedding. Everybody's recording the dancers. Somebody has 281 00:14:49,975 --> 00:14:50,895 Speaker 5: that footage. 282 00:14:51,135 --> 00:14:53,215 Speaker 1: The timing of this is really interesting because she's right, 283 00:14:53,255 --> 00:14:55,415 Speaker 1: there hasn't been anything that's hit the headlines that makes 284 00:14:55,455 --> 00:14:58,015 Speaker 1: you think like, oh, that's a response to that. But 285 00:14:58,135 --> 00:15:02,135 Speaker 1: also within the text of all of those insta slides, 286 00:15:02,215 --> 00:15:04,815 Speaker 1: it feels like he's accusing them of being the ones 287 00:15:04,855 --> 00:15:07,735 Speaker 1: to constantly tell the media about what's going on with 288 00:15:07,815 --> 00:15:11,415 Speaker 1: this feud. Yet, if I was Victoria Beckham, I don't 289 00:15:11,455 --> 00:15:13,735 Speaker 1: think I would have leaked to the media that I 290 00:15:14,055 --> 00:15:18,615 Speaker 1: overtook his bride and groom dance for myself. No, Like, 291 00:15:18,695 --> 00:15:20,415 Speaker 1: that doesn't feel like a thing that I would have 292 00:15:20,415 --> 00:15:22,615 Speaker 1: told the media about. And there's other things that have 293 00:15:22,655 --> 00:15:27,535 Speaker 1: happened that like, maybe the camp that he's representing is 294 00:15:27,895 --> 00:15:31,615 Speaker 1: completely free and clear of leaking some of this information too. 295 00:15:31,935 --> 00:15:33,895 Speaker 2: I think you're right there, Claire, and I was wondering 296 00:15:34,055 --> 00:15:36,895 Speaker 2: what was the Internet reaction to this, and, as per usual, 297 00:15:37,015 --> 00:15:40,735 Speaker 2: the reaction and response to this is split. Some people 298 00:15:40,815 --> 00:15:43,495 Speaker 2: have been very supportive. They've likened it actually to the 299 00:15:43,575 --> 00:15:47,175 Speaker 2: Prince Harry situation, where Harry was always portrayed as being 300 00:15:47,255 --> 00:15:50,055 Speaker 2: quite hard done by by the royal family and his 301 00:15:50,215 --> 00:15:54,855 Speaker 2: controlling family narrative. The other half, though, have also likened 302 00:15:54,855 --> 00:15:57,695 Speaker 2: it to Prince Harry in the sense that they've tapped 303 00:15:57,695 --> 00:16:01,975 Speaker 2: into that controlling wife trope that Meghan or Nikola in 304 00:16:02,015 --> 00:16:05,375 Speaker 2: this case have been very controlling of Harry or brook 305 00:16:05,815 --> 00:16:07,975 Speaker 2: in this case, which you know that in itself is 306 00:16:08,015 --> 00:16:10,535 Speaker 2: a pretty gross trope to go down, and you don't 307 00:16:10,575 --> 00:16:13,815 Speaker 2: really know what happens behind closed doors, only what people 308 00:16:13,815 --> 00:16:16,375 Speaker 2: put out on Instagram. But I also ask Claire her 309 00:16:16,415 --> 00:16:18,935 Speaker 2: response to this, and she said something along similar lines. 310 00:16:19,455 --> 00:16:23,255 Speaker 5: I don't think material wealth protects you from emotional pain. 311 00:16:23,415 --> 00:16:27,095 Speaker 5: And I don't think it's normal for two people like 312 00:16:27,455 --> 00:16:31,535 Speaker 5: Victoria and David to have been famous from such a 313 00:16:31,535 --> 00:16:33,495 Speaker 5: young age, And I think it probably does make you 314 00:16:33,535 --> 00:16:36,455 Speaker 5: do some weird stuff with your family and try and 315 00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:41,815 Speaker 5: control media narratives and care a lot what absolute strangers 316 00:16:41,855 --> 00:16:46,775 Speaker 5: think of you at the expense of normal human relationships. 317 00:16:47,255 --> 00:16:50,655 Speaker 5: So I feel for Brooklyn, I really do. And I 318 00:16:50,655 --> 00:16:52,975 Speaker 5: think it's really sad that not only has he fallen 319 00:16:53,015 --> 00:16:56,135 Speaker 5: out with his parents but his siblings as well. But 320 00:16:56,175 --> 00:16:58,935 Speaker 5: I do think he is completely entitled to share what 321 00:16:58,975 --> 00:17:03,975 Speaker 5: it was like to grow up and feel scrutinized and 322 00:17:04,254 --> 00:17:08,135 Speaker 5: feel like your family was trying to build a narrative 323 00:17:09,014 --> 00:17:13,094 Speaker 5: and liaising with the press to build a story that 324 00:17:13,175 --> 00:17:18,695 Speaker 5: must be really bizarre. So I say all power to you, Brookie. 325 00:17:18,734 --> 00:17:21,734 Speaker 5: You tell your story. I'm sorry Brooklyn that we've been 326 00:17:21,734 --> 00:17:23,854 Speaker 5: making fun of you for a lot of years. It 327 00:17:23,935 --> 00:17:26,895 Speaker 5: must have been tough. With all of that said, there 328 00:17:27,014 --> 00:17:30,534 Speaker 5: is also a whole lot of evidence, literally caught documents 329 00:17:30,734 --> 00:17:36,975 Speaker 5: showing how the Peltz family behaved around the wedding and 330 00:17:37,094 --> 00:17:42,695 Speaker 5: how absurd that wedding became, with money and requests and 331 00:17:43,375 --> 00:17:46,534 Speaker 5: guest lists and everything. So maybe this is just a 332 00:17:46,534 --> 00:17:51,975 Speaker 5: culture clash British people versus American people too, families that 333 00:17:52,695 --> 00:17:55,975 Speaker 5: do not see eye to eye, and Brooklyn feels more 334 00:17:55,975 --> 00:17:57,734 Speaker 5: at home with his in laws. 335 00:17:58,655 --> 00:18:00,855 Speaker 1: Obviously, I can't ever understand what it's like to grow 336 00:18:00,895 --> 00:18:03,494 Speaker 1: up in the Beckham household, or to be David and Victoria, 337 00:18:03,534 --> 00:18:06,494 Speaker 1: who have spent the majority of their lives being scrutinized 338 00:18:06,534 --> 00:18:09,374 Speaker 1: by every single person that's in their vicinity. But to 339 00:18:09,415 --> 00:18:11,214 Speaker 1: be fair, my mum and dad have never told me 340 00:18:11,854 --> 00:18:14,855 Speaker 1: or tried to force me to copyright my name as 341 00:18:14,854 --> 00:18:18,335 Speaker 1: a brand, or like, have told me that any decision 342 00:18:18,375 --> 00:18:22,695 Speaker 1: I make is against you know, brand policy for my family. Yeah, 343 00:18:22,734 --> 00:18:26,094 Speaker 1: brand Beckham. So like I understand it from both perspectives, 344 00:18:26,094 --> 00:18:27,854 Speaker 1: and I'm presuming too this might be a little bit 345 00:18:27,854 --> 00:18:30,975 Speaker 1: triggering for people who live with family estrangement as well, 346 00:18:31,014 --> 00:18:33,894 Speaker 1: because it's not an easy thing to never speak to 347 00:18:33,975 --> 00:18:38,014 Speaker 1: your family member, especially a parent. Ever again, is a 348 00:18:38,014 --> 00:18:41,695 Speaker 1: really big decision to make, and it's not made lightly. 349 00:18:42,094 --> 00:18:44,574 Speaker 2: And then to have to live that out publicly, yes, 350 00:18:44,614 --> 00:18:47,655 Speaker 2: because you know, as Brooklyn has pointed out, he grew 351 00:18:47,734 --> 00:18:51,215 Speaker 2: up in this very public forward of facing family, and 352 00:18:51,254 --> 00:18:53,455 Speaker 2: then you have to kind of explain it, like why 353 00:18:53,494 --> 00:18:56,855 Speaker 2: you're no longer seen in David and Victoria's family photos 354 00:18:56,935 --> 00:19:01,575 Speaker 2: on Christmas or birthdays or nighting ceremonies. It'll be really 355 00:19:01,655 --> 00:19:05,974 Speaker 2: interesting to see if and how the Beckham's brand Beckham 356 00:19:06,175 --> 00:19:08,895 Speaker 2: responds to this, if they will adopt that very British 357 00:19:08,975 --> 00:19:12,655 Speaker 2: Royal family trope of never complain, never explain, or if 358 00:19:12,655 --> 00:19:15,254 Speaker 2: it will play out online or in the media. We 359 00:19:15,294 --> 00:19:16,054 Speaker 2: shall wait to see. 360 00:19:16,175 --> 00:19:18,734 Speaker 1: I can't wait for the next Netflix documentary. 361 00:19:18,734 --> 00:19:20,774 Speaker 2: If you want to dive even deeper on this. Of course, 362 00:19:20,774 --> 00:19:24,575 Speaker 2: our friends over at the Spill are completely across this one. 363 00:19:24,695 --> 00:19:26,455 Speaker 2: I'll make sure I link them in the show notes. 364 00:19:26,895 --> 00:19:29,295 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for taking some time to feed your 365 00:19:29,294 --> 00:19:32,014 Speaker 2: mind with us today. Hey, don't forget this afternoon, there's 366 00:19:32,054 --> 00:19:34,335 Speaker 2: more news coming your way. Make sure you're following us 367 00:19:34,334 --> 00:19:37,655 Speaker 2: in your favorite podcast app, so you don't miss that update. 368 00:19:38,014 --> 00:19:41,335 Speaker 1: The Quikie is produced by the wonderful Taylor Straanos Sung 369 00:19:41,375 --> 00:19:44,455 Speaker 1: Across from Me in the Studio Today, Alaria Brophy and 370 00:19:44,574 --> 00:19:51,375 Speaker 1: myself Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill. 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