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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mir's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. In a surprise diplomatic move that's

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Speaker 2: raised eyebrows across the political spectrum, Donald Trump hosted Ukrainian

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Speaker 2: President Vladimir Zelenski at the White House this weekend. The

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Speaker 2: meeting comes at a critical time for Ukraine's future and

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Speaker 2: assent shockwaves through Washington. Today, we'll unpack what this means

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Speaker 2: for the ongoing conflict. Plus, Hollywood's biggest night has come

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Speaker 2: and gone. The twenty twenty five Oscars delivered plenty of surprises, snubs,

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Speaker 2: and standout moments. Also in this episode, your Oscars analysis

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Speaker 2: is inbound. But first, here's Claire Murphy with the latest

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Speaker 2: from The Quickie newsroom for Tuesday March.

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Speaker 1: For Thanks Taylor, data uncovered by the There's No Place

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Speaker 1: Like Home After She Leaves podcast has found ex partners

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Speaker 1: are the biggest risk to domestic violence victim survivors. In

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Speaker 1: the twelve months to October twenty twenty four, more than

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Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand domestic and family violence incidents were reported

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Speaker 1: to Victorian police involving a current partner. That's compared to

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Speaker 1: over thirty four thousand which involved former partners. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the number of domestic and family violence incidents across Victoria

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Speaker 1: four years, with many victim survivors saying that the abuse

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Speaker 1: doesn't end at separation, it just changes because you're no

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Speaker 1: longer physically in their presence. Assistant Commissioner Lauren Callaway, who

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Speaker 1: that there's an ability for people once the relationship is

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Speaker 1: President Jade Vans has been forced to move his family

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Speaker 2: Unpacking Trump's meeting with Zelenski. Last week, US President Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump welcomed Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski to the White House.

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Speaker 2: The high stakes meeting marks a significant moment in the

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Speaker 2: Trump has repeatedly claimed he could negotiate a peace deal

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Speaker 3: Did you're gambling with?

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Speaker 2: To help us understand the diplomatic shouting match that took

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Speaker 5: After sort of a bit of a slightly tense but

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Speaker 5: From what we can tell, there is some discussion going

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Speaker 5: It appears that Starma and Macron will be able to

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Speaker 2: Something that came from the meeting between Starma and Trump

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Speaker 2: was the concern over Trump's understanding of Orcus. Should we

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Speaker 2: be alarmed that he asked what ORCUS is? And that's

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Speaker 2: the Australian, UK and US defense Alliance.

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Speaker 5: So this was of course a question put by one

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Speaker 5: discussing the Orcus deal? The orcust alliance, which is the

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Speaker 2: And continue to watch, we shall Meanwhile, the ninety seventh

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Speaker 2: the beginning. What were your red carpet highlights? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Look, it was a very safe red carpet this year.

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Speaker 2: Something else that happens on the carpet is a good reunion.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this was over twenty two years to be exact

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Speaker 2: Conan O'Brien hosted. He did a nice job. There were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't see that coming. I mean, some of

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Speaker 2: And what about Kieran Colkin. He took home Best Supporting

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Speaker 3: of want to see.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about Demi more being snubbed. What are the

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Speaker 3: No, only because Wicked it's part one. We've got a

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Speaker 3: whole other year of Wicked Part two, some of the

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Speaker 3: win for Best Costume Design, which was very well deserved.

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Speaker 3: It's like when you get to like the last Lord

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Speaker 3: of the Rings film, like that win's Best Picture. When

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Speaker 3: Oscar voters know that there's a second part coming, they

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Speaker 3: always wait till the movie is done to give out

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Speaker 3: all the accolades. So Wicked's gonna have its turn in

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Speaker 3: the Sun next year.

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