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Speaker 1: You're listening to a'mom the Mere podcast.

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Speaker 2: I can follow You, I Could Dog to the End

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Speaker 2: of the World. Emerald Fanelle's Wuthering Heights pulled in buzzing

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Speaker 2: crowds across the country at the weekend following the Australian premiere,

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Speaker 2: where stars Margo Robbie and Jacob Alordi graced us Mere

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Speaker 2: Mortals with their presence. The reviews are now in and

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Speaker 2: well they're split. So has Vanell pulled off the impossible

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Speaker 2: turning a nineteenth century Gothic bronte novel into a twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six cinema event, or has she just poked the

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Speaker 2: literary girlies Bee's nest for nothing. It's the Quickie for

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Speaker 2: Monday for every sixteen. I'm Taylor Strano and here's Claire

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Speaker 2: Murphy with your news headlines.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The Milano Courtina Games and now Australia's most

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Speaker 1: successful Winter Olympics, with the Ossies adding two gold, a

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Speaker 1: silver and a bronze to the tally over the weekend

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Speaker 1: the Stralia. His first gold was won by Cooper Woods

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Speaker 1: and the individual moguls. The second gold went to Josie

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Speaker 1: baff in the snowboard cross, with the third going to

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Speaker 1: Jakara Anthony, who missed out on backing up her Olympic

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Speaker 1: title in the single moguls, taking gold in the duel event.

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Speaker 1: Scottie James scored as a silver and the snowboard halfpipe,

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Speaker 1: while Matt Graham scored a bronze in the men's dual moguls.

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Speaker 1: We narrowly missed out on a medal in the mixed

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Speaker 1: snowboard cross, with Josie baff and Adam Lambert coming fourth,

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Speaker 1: and in her first Olympics, sixteen year old Ali Hickman

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Speaker 1: has made it through to the snowboard slop style final,

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Speaker 1: finishing qualifying in sixth. Opposition leader Angus Taylor will unveil

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Speaker 1: his overhauled front bench this week as he signals a

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Speaker 1: shift to the right with a focus on issues such

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Speaker 1: as immigration. The newly elected Liberal leader spent his first

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Speaker 1: few days in the role outlining key priorities after ousting

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Speaker 1: the party's first female leader, Susan Lee on Friday following

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Speaker 1: weeks of infighting. The new policy announcements are expected to

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Speaker 1: be accompanied by a refreshed front bench with exiled Conservatives

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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty and just Into Namp and Jim for Us

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Speaker 1: poised to return, with both previously having been removed from

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Speaker 1: the front bench due to anti immigration comments. Mister Taylor

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Speaker 1: promised to pursue a stricter immigration policy, repeatedly flagging plans

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Speaker 1: to reduce the nation's Mirgrant intake and Titans screening, saying

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Speaker 1: the numbers under Labour have been just extraordinary, way beyond

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Speaker 1: what this country can absorb. He went on to say

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Speaker 1: standards have been too low, numbers have been too high,

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Speaker 1: and we haven't explicitly shut the door on people who

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Speaker 1: reject our way of life. Mister Taylor has insisted the

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Speaker 1: coalition is not trying to become One Nation Light as

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Speaker 1: it leads vote support to the anti immigration party. The

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Speaker 1: first pole since mister Taylor became Liberal leader was published

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Speaker 1: by nine newspapers today. It shows Labour with thirty two

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Speaker 1: percent of the primary vote and one Nation and the

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Speaker 1: Coalition tied on twenty three percent. Endometriosis Australia has released

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Speaker 1: a statement after it was reported that a Melbourne's surgeon

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Speaker 1: The ABC's Four Corners Investment litigation names gynecologist Simon Gordon,

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Speaker 1: alleging he performed operations on his patient, Courtney Patten, who

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Speaker 1: later found out that the pathology of her results showed

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Speaker 1: no signs of endometriosis. This is despite doctor Gordon consistently

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Speaker 1: billing Medicare for her procedures, citing that it was due

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Speaker 1: to severe endometriosis she had both her ovaries removed. The

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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old is now medically infertile. Endometriosis Australia

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Speaker 1: said in their statement that the recent media coverage has

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Speaker 1: raised concerns that some people with ENDO may have undergone

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Speaker 1: surgery that was either not necessary or appropriate, saying this

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Speaker 1: might be unsettling news, especially for those who've undergone one

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Speaker 1: or multiple procedures. The organization explained that ENDO sufferers were

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Speaker 1: not alone in feeling confused and distressed, and that it

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Speaker 1: that ENDO is a complex, chronic inflammatory condition that doesn't

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Speaker 1: look the same in every person. They ended the statement

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Speaker 1: reminding people that your pain is real, your experience matters,

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Speaker 1: and you deserve care that is thoughtful, evidence based, and

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Speaker 1: centered around you, calling for anyone feeling concerned to reach

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Speaker 1: out to a support network. The youngest of the Beckham

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Speaker 1: crewe has celebrated Valentine's Day with a shout out to

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Speaker 1: all her big brothers. Fourteen year old Harper Beckham, the

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Speaker 1: youngest of David and Victoria's children, posted a black and

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Speaker 1: In the caption, she wrote, I love you all so much,

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Speaker 1: continues to tackle a falling out with eldest son Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: a now twenty six year old only speaking to his

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Speaker 1: famous parents through lawyers. An employee if the British Government,

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Speaker 1: with some of the best approval ratings in history, is

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Speaker 1: celebrated a milestone, officially holding the title of Rodent Catcher

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Speaker 1: and unofficial first fee line for fifteen years. Yes, Larry

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Speaker 1: the Cat is celebrating today as the mauser for ten

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister David Cameron, Larry entered Downing Street on February fifteen,

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Speaker 1: his duties include greeting guests to the house, inspecting security

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Speaker 1: defenses and testing antique furniture for napping quality. Larry romes

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Speaker 1: at ten Downing Streets famous black door, known for his

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Speaker 1: He took a liking to form a US President Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama and drew a smile from President Vladimir Zelenski during

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Speaker 1: one of the Ukrainian leader's visits to London. When US

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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump visited in twenty nineteen, Larry crashed the

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Speaker 1: official doorstep photo and then took a nap under the Beast,

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Speaker 1: the President's armored car. While the now eighteen or nineteen

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Speaker 1: year old has been snapped catching the occasional mouse and

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Speaker 1: one pigeon. He's most known for lounging and for his

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Speaker 1: Foreign Office, the pair Court finding several times before Palmerston,

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Speaker 2: Clan next it may not be your mother's Wathering Heights?

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Speaker 2: So what is this next recreation? Our very own Mumma Miasta.

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Speaker 2: Holly wain Wright weighs in. After months of speculation, pre screening,

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Speaker 2: criticism and fan theories are plenty, Emerald Fanelle's Wothering Heights

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Speaker 2: is here, So what's the verdict? As a reminder, Emily

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Speaker 2: Bronte published Wathering Heights back in eighteen forty seven, So

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Speaker 2: we're talking about a novel that's been haunting English classes

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Speaker 2: for almost one hundred and eighty years. It's set on

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Speaker 2: the Yorkshire Moors and follows the violent, obsessive, generation spanning

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Speaker 2: relationship between Catherine Earnshaw and Heathcliffe, the foundling boy her

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Speaker 2: father brings home, who grows up poor, furious, and completely

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Speaker 2: fixated on her. Look. It's not a sweet love story.

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Speaker 2: It's jealousy, class revenge and ghosts, told through multiple narrator

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Speaker 2: and flashbacks. It feels strange and modern and a bit feral,

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Speaker 2: which is why adapting it for the screen is so hard.

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Speaker 2: You have to decide which parts of the book to keep,

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Speaker 2: which parts of the chaos to cut out, and what

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Speaker 2: creative liberties you can take. Just ask the more than

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Speaker 2: sixty adaptations of the novel already out there in the world.

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Speaker 2: Emerald Fanel aka, the writer behind Promising Young Woman and Saltburn,

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Speaker 2: announced that she was taking on Wuthering Heights with our

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Speaker 2: Beloved Queensland as Margot, Robbie as Kathy and Jacob Alaudia's Heathcliff,

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Speaker 2: which set expectations sky high and kicked off the first

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Speaker 2: round of debate even before the film's premiere. There was

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Speaker 2: plenty of speculation and criticism. Some fans were excited by

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Speaker 2: the idea of Fanell leading into the book satomtochistic Gothic vibes.

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Speaker 2: Others worried her post Saltburn obsession with rich, beautiful people

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Speaker 2: costume drama that misses the texts weirder, darker edges online.

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Speaker 2: A big flashpoint was the casting of a Lordie as Heathcliff,

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Speaker 2: a character many readers have long read as racially ambiguous

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Speaker 2: or non white, and what it means to make him

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Speaker 2: a very conventionally tall, white, hot leading man. Y'all know

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Speaker 2: that Emerald Fannel is in sane for casting Jacob A.

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Speaker 1: Bardi as our dark skinned Romani Lascar, South Asian Heathcliff,

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Speaker 1: but have you guys seen who she has cast as

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Speaker 1: at gar Linton.

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Speaker 2: Now that the film is out, early reviews and fan

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Speaker 2: reactions are split. Some are praising Robbie and a Lordie's chemistry,

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Speaker 2: the way the film lets Kathy be selfish and cruel,

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Speaker 2: and the visceral almost horror ish more sequences. Others say

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Speaker 2: it flattens the novel into something more straightforwardly sexy and romantic.

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Speaker 2: I put it to Mamma Mere out loud host Holly Wainwright,

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Speaker 2: asking her whether it's worth spending a night on the

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Speaker 2: moors with these two deeply toxic characters. Holly, Before we

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Speaker 2: dive into all the ins and outs, I first want

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Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on the movie Wathering Heights.

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Speaker 3: So I saw it last night. I'm fresh from it.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely loved it. Could not move from my seat.

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Speaker 4: If I had one criticism, it's too long. But every

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Speaker 4: single movie made these days, Taylor is too long.

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Speaker 2: I know we actually don't have time to go into

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Speaker 2: the bring back the ninety minute movie campaign today.

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Speaker 4: But we would all sign up for it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: absolutely loved it. I thought it was outrageous. And provocative

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Speaker 4: and silly and dark and sexy, all the things that

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Speaker 4: I kind of want if I'm paying money to go

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Speaker 4: and see a movie.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of speculation about this film when

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Speaker 2: that emerged, and there was a lot of questions about

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Speaker 2: if it will remain pure to the classic, to Wuthering

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Speaker 2: Heights the book. As someone who has read Wathering Heights

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Speaker 4: No, not at all. It doesn't remain even a little

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Speaker 4: bit true to the book. And personally, I'm not bothered

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Speaker 4: by that at all, not at all.

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Speaker 3: So I'd not only read Weathering Heights.

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Speaker 4: I read Weathering Heights when I was a teenager and

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Speaker 4: I became obsessed with it, like Emerald Fanell.

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Speaker 3: Right, So it is a really dark and difficult book.

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Speaker 4: And that's one thing that everyone has to understand is

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Speaker 4: the way this movie has been marketed. Like all movies,

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Speaker 4: you've got to simplify things. It's a love story, the

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Speaker 4: greatest love story. That is not what the book is

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Speaker 4: even a little bit. And the thing is is I

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Speaker 4: read it when I was a teenager.

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Speaker 3: I was obsessed with it.

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Speaker 4: And when I saw that who was cast and everything

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Speaker 4: for this film, I was one of the people who

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Speaker 4: were saying, well, that's ridiculous. You know, Kathy dies when

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Speaker 4: she's about nineteen. She's a teenager through most of the movie.

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Speaker 4: How can Margot Robbie play Kathy? But then a I

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Speaker 4: got over myself and thought, somebody is making their version

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Speaker 4: of this movie. And then also I heard Emerald Fanell,

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Speaker 4: who I believe is a brilliant filmmaker, talking about how

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Speaker 4: she's making and imagining of Wathering Heights. She's not making

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Speaker 4: the book, you know, it's not like the Harry Potter books,

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Speaker 4: which you know, although obviously they had to leave a

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Speaker 4: few things out for conciseness, it's not meant to be

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Speaker 4: a faithful following of the book.

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Speaker 3: It is a book inspired by it.

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Speaker 4: And she said that she wanted to make a movie

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Speaker 4: that felt like the way she remembers the book. And

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Speaker 4: I think that speaks to a lot of people, because

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Speaker 4: the way I felt about that book when I read

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Speaker 4: it as a teenager, when I reread it recently, you're like, WHOA,

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Speaker 4: that is not what I remember.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's fine.

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Speaker 4: I think it's fine to take artistic license with one

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty year old text, like one hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty year old text.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I think I think that's fine.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think as well, Holy there's been a

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Speaker 2: those people who are naysayers and detractors because it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: have you seen other Emerald Fanel works? I mean, this

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Speaker 3: What did you think she was going to do with it?

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Speaker 4: And she absolutely has turned all that sort of outrageous

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Speaker 4: overstatement of Saltburn up to eleven in this movie. You know,

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Speaker 4: no doubt, And I think it is a very particular

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Speaker 4: we have all forgotten what that text was, which we

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Speaker 4: talked about this on Mama Mer Outloud last week. When

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Speaker 4: that book came out, it scandalized the world. It came

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Speaker 4: out under a man's name, because in those days women

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Speaker 4: was in her twenties. As far as anyone knows, she's

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Speaker 4: a virgin who'd never had a relationship, right, she's imagined

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Speaker 4: the time said, how a human being could have attempted

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Speaker 4: of vulgar depravity and unnatural horrors.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what that book is.

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Speaker 4: It is full of abuse, It is full of misery

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Speaker 4: and alcoholism and poverty and deprivation. Like it is not

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Speaker 4: a safe love story. So she hasn't made a safe movie.

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Speaker 4: But we're all forgetting that the text in the first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, And I think a lot of that

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Speaker 2: criticism came very early on in the piece. When the

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Speaker 2: to be playing Heathcliff, a character that historically was described

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Speaker 2: do you think that's still a fair assessment or given

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Speaker 2: that this is the brave new world of Wuthering Heights,

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Speaker 2: it's not.

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Speaker 4: I think, of course it's a valid criticism that they

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Speaker 3: To be honest, Jacob Alrdie was a revelation to me

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Speaker 3: in this muggo. Robie's great. Of course, I think she's amazing.

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Speaker 4: I knew jacober Lordie was very handsome, I didn't actually

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Speaker 3: He was the standout in it for me.

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Speaker 4: Is it disappointing that they didn't cast a mixed straight actor.

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Speaker 4: Certainly some people feel that way, and that's a very

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Speaker 4: of see why maybe they made the decisions.

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Speaker 3: That they made.

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Speaker 2: So holly it's okay for book adaptations to go off

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Speaker 4: Then personally, I think it absolutely is. And you know what,

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Speaker 4: I think the thing about these.

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Speaker 3: Beloved books, you know, people feel the same way about

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Speaker 4: Everybody's setting their hair on fire about Dolly Alderton doing that.

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Speaker 3: These books are old.

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Speaker 4: They were written women at a time when women weren't

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Speaker 4: widely telling stories. The fact that one of the leading

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Speaker 4: female filmmakers of our time has adapted this revolutionary female

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Speaker 4: written book makes me very happy and I'm glad.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Emily Bronte would be bothered.

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Speaker 4: She wrote a scandalous, shocking book, a book that many

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Speaker 4: people thought couldn't have been written by a woman, and

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Speaker 4: now it's been turned into this sort of heaving female

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Speaker 3: You know, I kind of think she'd love it.

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Speaker 2: So when Emerald Fanelle calls you up and says I

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Speaker 2: want to take he would never make that into a

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Speaker 2: big film, You're going run at it.

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Speaker 3: Of course I am.

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Speaker 4: I'm not holding my breath, so Taylor, I'm not holding

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