1 00:00:05,606 --> 00:00:10,645 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ammamir podcast. 2 00:00:11,046 --> 00:00:14,646 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Claire Stephens and this is a very special episode. 3 00:00:15,126 --> 00:00:19,206 Speaker 2: You might be aware that Jesse Stephens, who is a 4 00:00:19,286 --> 00:00:21,645 Speaker 2: host on Amya out Loud, has been a host of 5 00:00:21,726 --> 00:00:24,406 Speaker 2: many many podcasts. She went on maternity leave on a 6 00:00:24,446 --> 00:00:27,846 Speaker 2: Friday and on Saturday morning her waters broke and then 7 00:00:27,886 --> 00:00:30,646 Speaker 2: she gave birth to her twins just a couple of 8 00:00:30,686 --> 00:00:34,686 Speaker 2: days later. She is sharing her birth story. If you've 9 00:00:34,726 --> 00:00:37,925 Speaker 2: ever had a baby in Nicu or known anybody with 10 00:00:37,925 --> 00:00:41,205 Speaker 2: a baby in Nico I think it'll be a really 11 00:00:41,965 --> 00:00:45,726 Speaker 2: interesting listen. Her little twins, Harry and Margo, were born 12 00:00:45,845 --> 00:00:52,165 Speaker 2: at thirty three weeks and she's shared absolutely everything with myself, 13 00:00:52,285 --> 00:01:00,406 Speaker 2: Holly Wainwright and m Vernon. So have a listen and enjoy. 14 00:01:01,086 --> 00:01:05,286 Speaker 1: Hello, out louders, It's myself and Claire Stephens, Hello and 15 00:01:05,726 --> 00:01:10,566 Speaker 1: Emily Vernon and we are getting our Jesse Stevens on 16 00:01:10,606 --> 00:01:11,086 Speaker 1: the phone. 17 00:01:11,166 --> 00:01:12,406 Speaker 3: It's an emergency meeting. 18 00:01:12,446 --> 00:01:15,126 Speaker 2: We said, yeah, okay, so you got some other things 19 00:01:15,246 --> 00:01:19,606 Speaker 2: that you're doing. But most importantly the out louders have questions. 20 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:21,246 Speaker 1: They do and to be clear, out loud is Jesse 21 00:01:21,766 --> 00:01:24,965 Speaker 1: very much wants to tell you can this story. Yeah, 22 00:01:25,046 --> 00:01:27,046 Speaker 1: you know you have to push her away from this stuff, don't. 23 00:01:27,086 --> 00:01:29,086 Speaker 1: We're like, maybe you need a few more days. She's 24 00:01:29,126 --> 00:01:33,126 Speaker 1: like Wednesday, Wednesday, or will do it. So you're going 25 00:01:33,206 --> 00:01:37,366 Speaker 1: to hear a very raw, very tired, very honest description 26 00:01:37,526 --> 00:01:40,326 Speaker 1: of what Jesse's been through in the past week and 27 00:01:40,406 --> 00:01:43,846 Speaker 1: obviously her family. You are going to get your normal 28 00:01:43,966 --> 00:01:47,446 Speaker 1: Friday episode this afternoon. It will be dropping in your feed. 29 00:01:48,246 --> 00:01:50,966 Speaker 1: But for every outluder who's been wondering where Jesse is 30 00:01:51,006 --> 00:01:53,166 Speaker 1: and sending her love and wondering how the twins are doing, 31 00:01:53,286 --> 00:01:59,366 Speaker 1: you're about to hear everything. Jesse Stevens, thank you so 32 00:01:59,486 --> 00:02:01,926 Speaker 1: much for joining us. Can I ask you, first of all, 33 00:02:01,966 --> 00:02:02,766 Speaker 1: how the hell are you? 34 00:02:03,406 --> 00:02:05,206 Speaker 3: I don't know how to answer that. 35 00:02:05,646 --> 00:02:06,486 Speaker 1: It changes. 36 00:02:06,606 --> 00:02:10,326 Speaker 2: It's like in the mornings, I'm really good. I'm not 37 00:02:10,365 --> 00:02:12,646 Speaker 2: good in the afternoons. And that's why I was like, 38 00:02:12,805 --> 00:02:15,126 Speaker 2: I want to record this in the afternoon because I 39 00:02:15,166 --> 00:02:18,085 Speaker 2: need the distraction. I go and see the babies during 40 00:02:18,085 --> 00:02:22,245 Speaker 2: the day and then bedtime with Luna is really special. 41 00:02:22,846 --> 00:02:28,525 Speaker 2: But there is something about the looming nights without your 42 00:02:28,726 --> 00:02:34,606 Speaker 2: newborns with you that just is a pain that I 43 00:02:34,645 --> 00:02:35,726 Speaker 2: cannot articulate. 44 00:02:36,046 --> 00:02:38,685 Speaker 1: Take us back to the beginning, take us back to 45 00:02:38,726 --> 00:02:39,486 Speaker 1: what happened. 46 00:02:40,006 --> 00:02:42,406 Speaker 2: It was funny in the days afterwards. I was like, 47 00:02:42,446 --> 00:02:44,725 Speaker 2: I want to I want to tell everyone my birth story. 48 00:02:45,085 --> 00:02:50,085 Speaker 2: And then I was like, wait, what happened. I was like, 49 00:02:50,286 --> 00:02:53,245 Speaker 2: I'll have to speak to my obstetrician and ask him 50 00:02:53,245 --> 00:02:56,645 Speaker 2: a few questions because he was much more. 51 00:02:56,446 --> 00:02:57,365 Speaker 3: Present than I was. 52 00:02:57,525 --> 00:03:00,365 Speaker 2: Friday was your last out loud day? Yes, Friday was 53 00:03:00,405 --> 00:03:03,566 Speaker 2: the last out loud day. And on Friday afternoon Miya 54 00:03:03,726 --> 00:03:05,925 Speaker 2: was over putting some rugs down and helping out with 55 00:03:05,965 --> 00:03:10,565 Speaker 2: a few things, and Luna was so cuddly. Mea took 56 00:03:10,566 --> 00:03:13,886 Speaker 2: a photo of Luna just like attached to me. And 57 00:03:13,925 --> 00:03:16,406 Speaker 2: that night Luna just wouldn't go to bed, and she 58 00:03:16,486 --> 00:03:18,526 Speaker 2: wasn't sad, she just would not let go of me, 59 00:03:18,606 --> 00:03:21,726 Speaker 2: and I reckon. She could just smell that something was 60 00:03:21,766 --> 00:03:22,326 Speaker 2: going to happen. 61 00:03:22,566 --> 00:03:26,766 Speaker 3: Oh, so so weird, I know, isn't it weird? 62 00:03:26,766 --> 00:03:31,046 Speaker 2: At four forty five, I woke up weird feeling. 63 00:03:31,486 --> 00:03:34,646 Speaker 3: Oh, water's broke just all over the bed. 64 00:03:35,166 --> 00:03:38,646 Speaker 2: I stood up and I went, oh, I just really 65 00:03:38,646 --> 00:03:42,366 Speaker 2: hope that isn't blood. I hope that's water, and looked 66 00:03:42,406 --> 00:03:46,446 Speaker 2: down and just a gush because I remember last time 67 00:03:46,446 --> 00:03:47,445 Speaker 2: I thought my water's breaking. 68 00:03:47,486 --> 00:03:49,366 Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, there is no thinking your 69 00:03:49,366 --> 00:03:52,005 Speaker 3: water's breaked. So that was a mess. 70 00:03:52,726 --> 00:03:55,926 Speaker 2: And i'd been experiencing for the two days before, very 71 00:03:55,966 --> 00:03:59,166 Speaker 2: intense braxton Hicks. But thirty three weeks pregnant, be twins, 72 00:03:59,246 --> 00:04:02,686 Speaker 2: very normal to just have a lot of muscular almost 73 00:04:02,686 --> 00:04:05,926 Speaker 2: period pain for weeks because your body's just freaking. 74 00:04:06,126 --> 00:04:08,326 Speaker 1: It must be so scary, though, because you don't know 75 00:04:08,646 --> 00:04:09,966 Speaker 1: whether it is or whether it is in. 76 00:04:10,086 --> 00:04:12,926 Speaker 3: Or yeah, I was convinced. I just kept saying. I 77 00:04:12,966 --> 00:04:14,806 Speaker 3: was on the couch going no, no, this isn't this 78 00:04:14,926 --> 00:04:15,886 Speaker 3: is Brasenicks. 79 00:04:16,326 --> 00:04:18,286 Speaker 2: I probably wasn't. Now that I know my water's break, 80 00:04:18,366 --> 00:04:20,766 Speaker 2: it probably was early labor. But so the water's broke, 81 00:04:20,846 --> 00:04:25,766 Speaker 2: and I went, fuck, I don't have a bag. I 82 00:04:25,806 --> 00:04:30,206 Speaker 2: don't have car seats, I don't have fascinets. What I 83 00:04:30,206 --> 00:04:32,965 Speaker 2: know about waters is that when I go to hospital 84 00:04:33,046 --> 00:04:35,126 Speaker 2: like I'm not coming home. 85 00:04:35,646 --> 00:04:40,126 Speaker 3: The things I put in that bag like that. I 86 00:04:40,206 --> 00:04:43,086 Speaker 3: then got there and was like, why would I think. 87 00:04:42,806 --> 00:04:45,206 Speaker 2: You told me you brought skin, because then I had 88 00:04:45,246 --> 00:04:48,366 Speaker 2: to pack your bag that day and come in your 89 00:04:48,406 --> 00:04:52,445 Speaker 2: bag and you were like, I brought skincare. I brought this, 90 00:04:52,486 --> 00:04:53,806 Speaker 2: I brought that, but then I got there and out 91 00:04:53,846 --> 00:04:55,846 Speaker 2: and brought any of both things, and you were like. 92 00:04:55,806 --> 00:05:02,446 Speaker 3: Mad at me. You're really annoying. And I was going, 93 00:05:02,486 --> 00:05:03,486 Speaker 3: do I have contractions? 94 00:05:03,486 --> 00:05:05,206 Speaker 2: Because some people say that once your water's break with 95 00:05:05,246 --> 00:05:07,366 Speaker 2: twe things can go very very quickly. I knew that 96 00:05:07,406 --> 00:05:09,366 Speaker 2: we had a head down, at least one head down, 97 00:05:09,406 --> 00:05:11,926 Speaker 2: and you know what was going to happen. So we 98 00:05:12,005 --> 00:05:14,366 Speaker 2: go on, wake lunar up, who found the whole thing 99 00:05:14,966 --> 00:05:16,725 Speaker 2: a giant novelty. 100 00:05:17,005 --> 00:05:19,326 Speaker 3: Throw her in the car. Luca drives me to hospital, 101 00:05:19,406 --> 00:05:22,406 Speaker 3: drops me at hospital, takes Luna to MEA's house who 102 00:05:22,565 --> 00:05:24,806 Speaker 3: just shows up at a doorstep at six am being like, 103 00:05:25,726 --> 00:05:27,126 Speaker 3: someone give me some wehet pizza. 104 00:05:27,286 --> 00:05:31,325 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then Luca came back and met me at 105 00:05:31,406 --> 00:05:36,445 Speaker 2: hospital and they had by that point, they give you steroids, 106 00:05:36,846 --> 00:05:37,926 Speaker 2: which kills. 107 00:05:38,005 --> 00:05:40,086 Speaker 1: What's the steroids for Jesse? 108 00:05:40,846 --> 00:05:46,165 Speaker 2: So the steroids are to develop and strengthen the baby's lungs, 109 00:05:46,726 --> 00:05:48,726 Speaker 2: and so they give you steroids. They take twenty four 110 00:05:48,726 --> 00:05:50,565 Speaker 2: hours to kick in, and they love to give you 111 00:05:50,606 --> 00:05:54,126 Speaker 2: two doses if possible, so that the babies can breathe 112 00:05:54,166 --> 00:05:57,806 Speaker 2: when they're born. So they had checked to see if 113 00:05:58,005 --> 00:06:01,526 Speaker 2: I had started dilating, and I hadn't. That was one 114 00:06:01,526 --> 00:06:04,005 Speaker 2: of the most painful parts. I hate that speculum shit 115 00:06:04,246 --> 00:06:08,325 Speaker 2: really hurts. They did the steroids, they start on antibiotics, 116 00:06:08,726 --> 00:06:12,005 Speaker 2: and then they give me something to stop labor, essentially 117 00:06:12,166 --> 00:06:14,686 Speaker 2: to go how can we slow this down? So they 118 00:06:14,726 --> 00:06:18,445 Speaker 2: gave me some drugs for that, and that morning, as 119 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:20,126 Speaker 2: I was laying there, one of the doctors came in 120 00:06:20,166 --> 00:06:23,366 Speaker 2: and said, you could be here till thirty seven weeks. 121 00:06:23,646 --> 00:06:27,486 Speaker 2: I was thirty three weeks and two days, and she said, 122 00:06:27,686 --> 00:06:30,486 Speaker 2: if we can stop this and keep them in, we will. 123 00:06:30,406 --> 00:06:32,646 Speaker 1: Because the theory is they're better to be in there. 124 00:06:33,726 --> 00:06:35,686 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're better to be in there. We don't want 125 00:06:35,726 --> 00:06:36,366 Speaker 3: them out yet. 126 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:41,086 Speaker 2: And I was going, oh my god, like because once 127 00:06:41,126 --> 00:06:43,326 Speaker 2: your waters are broken, you're on bed rest, like you 128 00:06:43,406 --> 00:06:47,005 Speaker 2: can't really go for a walk. I messaged a few 129 00:06:47,005 --> 00:06:50,966 Speaker 2: friends about it, and one friend was like, you're allowed 130 00:06:51,005 --> 00:06:54,806 Speaker 2: to secretly want them out, Like, don't feel guilty for thinking. 131 00:06:55,646 --> 00:06:58,486 Speaker 2: I don't think I can lay here in discomfort and 132 00:06:58,526 --> 00:07:02,166 Speaker 2: pain with a toddler at home for three and a 133 00:07:02,246 --> 00:07:06,606 Speaker 2: half four weeks waiting for these babies to grow and grow. 134 00:07:06,686 --> 00:07:09,166 Speaker 2: I mean, it was irrelevant what I wanted because my 135 00:07:09,166 --> 00:07:10,606 Speaker 2: body was going to do what it was going to do. 136 00:07:10,846 --> 00:07:14,286 Speaker 2: And my obstetric was like, you know, we keep in 137 00:07:14,326 --> 00:07:18,566 Speaker 2: as long as we can, regardless of how everyone feels. 138 00:07:18,286 --> 00:07:21,286 Speaker 1: About They're not giving you a choice about that. It's 139 00:07:21,366 --> 00:07:23,766 Speaker 1: just that that, Yeah, you're going through that in your head, 140 00:07:24,086 --> 00:07:27,166 Speaker 1: so they can't stop it forever. It's like holding back 141 00:07:27,206 --> 00:07:27,846 Speaker 1: a tide. 142 00:07:28,046 --> 00:07:28,606 Speaker 3: Exactly. 143 00:07:28,686 --> 00:07:32,006 Speaker 2: If your body wants to deliver these babies, they will deliver, 144 00:07:32,126 --> 00:07:34,966 Speaker 2: but they can they can try and slow it, and 145 00:07:35,006 --> 00:07:37,646 Speaker 2: that's what they were trying to do. The thing about 146 00:07:37,646 --> 00:07:42,326 Speaker 2: the steroids is that if you have gestational diabetes, it 147 00:07:43,126 --> 00:07:46,806 Speaker 2: surges your blood sugar. So all of a sudden, I'm 148 00:07:46,846 --> 00:07:52,646 Speaker 2: fingerpricking every hour. I am being filled with bags of insulin, 149 00:07:52,766 --> 00:07:54,686 Speaker 2: which I hadn't had to take up until that point. 150 00:07:55,246 --> 00:07:58,646 Speaker 2: The eating was a nightmare. The hospital doesn't have a 151 00:07:58,686 --> 00:08:02,845 Speaker 2: gestational diabetes meals that are appropriate, so everything I ate 152 00:08:02,886 --> 00:08:06,486 Speaker 2: had to be brought in and and I could eat 153 00:08:06,526 --> 00:08:09,326 Speaker 2: a salad and my blood sugar was just the worst 154 00:08:09,366 --> 00:08:12,046 Speaker 2: it it ever been. So that was horrible. 155 00:08:13,006 --> 00:08:15,446 Speaker 3: And again I'm going this could be weeks a. 156 00:08:16,886 --> 00:08:19,726 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then twenty four hours later, They're like, great, 157 00:08:19,726 --> 00:08:23,246 Speaker 2: you're still pregnant. We're gonna give you more steroids, and 158 00:08:23,286 --> 00:08:25,246 Speaker 2: we'd love this to have twenty. 159 00:08:25,006 --> 00:08:25,806 Speaker 3: Four hours to work. 160 00:08:27,046 --> 00:08:30,246 Speaker 2: And my obstetrition came in and yeah, I just cried 161 00:08:30,286 --> 00:08:33,766 Speaker 2: and was like, oh, come on, this is really am 162 00:08:33,766 --> 00:08:36,566 Speaker 2: I going to sit here? And he said to me, 163 00:08:37,406 --> 00:08:39,686 Speaker 2: the chances of you still being pregnant at the end 164 00:08:39,726 --> 00:08:43,406 Speaker 2: of this week are so minimal, like every day you 165 00:08:43,566 --> 00:08:46,926 Speaker 2: have a fifty percent chance of just going into labor. 166 00:08:47,246 --> 00:08:47,726 Speaker 3: Wow. 167 00:08:47,766 --> 00:08:51,126 Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, all right, I'll wait. And 168 00:08:51,165 --> 00:08:53,926 Speaker 2: then that night it was Sunday night, Claid, you'd been there. 169 00:08:53,966 --> 00:08:57,366 Speaker 2: We'd watched Maths, haven't we. Yeah, so our tradition has 170 00:08:57,726 --> 00:09:02,285 Speaker 2: become yeah, going to the hospital, I bring dinner and 171 00:09:02,326 --> 00:09:03,845 Speaker 2: we watched Note of Perfide. 172 00:09:04,006 --> 00:09:07,326 Speaker 1: Thank God for that bringing everyone together. 173 00:09:07,486 --> 00:09:08,966 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really even the nurses. 174 00:09:09,606 --> 00:09:11,526 Speaker 2: The nurses would do their obs and you could tell 175 00:09:11,566 --> 00:09:13,285 Speaker 2: that they were like, I don't go about you blood, prossure, 176 00:09:13,326 --> 00:09:17,726 Speaker 2: what ties. It was always and I'd like try and 177 00:09:17,806 --> 00:09:21,165 Speaker 2: silence it to pretend like we weren't just watching that. 178 00:09:21,566 --> 00:09:25,565 Speaker 2: I am quite emotionally vulnerable, but I also you've interrupted, 179 00:09:27,686 --> 00:09:31,046 Speaker 2: and so we just kept watching. Right at first, sight 180 00:09:31,766 --> 00:09:34,846 Speaker 2: clare maybe help me have a shower or something. 181 00:09:34,886 --> 00:09:37,166 Speaker 3: Anyway, but I left very late on the Sunday. 182 00:09:37,566 --> 00:09:40,086 Speaker 2: You left late, and after you left, I was laying 183 00:09:40,126 --> 00:09:42,726 Speaker 2: there going I hadn't slept in a few nights because 184 00:09:42,726 --> 00:09:45,646 Speaker 2: of all the obs and the blood sugar and. 185 00:09:45,126 --> 00:09:47,646 Speaker 1: Lots of drugs going through this point. 186 00:09:47,486 --> 00:09:49,206 Speaker 3: So many, so many drugs. 187 00:09:49,206 --> 00:09:50,926 Speaker 2: And I was laying there and I felt my heart 188 00:09:51,006 --> 00:09:53,406 Speaker 2: rate get high and I felt really hot, and I 189 00:09:53,486 --> 00:09:57,606 Speaker 2: just thought, I feel weird, like I feel, I feel different. 190 00:10:05,646 --> 00:10:08,886 Speaker 2: Then the Braxton Hicks sensation started again, but then it 191 00:10:08,926 --> 00:10:12,606 Speaker 2: got very concentrated into like my uterus, like I could 192 00:10:12,646 --> 00:10:15,366 Speaker 2: feel contractions in the way that I had felt them 193 00:10:15,806 --> 00:10:18,246 Speaker 2: with lunar, where they were more rhythmic, more. 194 00:10:18,086 --> 00:10:21,805 Speaker 3: Intense, then a gap and then kind of coming back. 195 00:10:22,526 --> 00:10:24,006 Speaker 3: But I had. 196 00:10:23,806 --> 00:10:26,686 Speaker 2: Flagged with a nurse earlier, like a few days before 197 00:10:26,686 --> 00:10:29,405 Speaker 2: that I thought I was having contractions, and she had said, 198 00:10:29,926 --> 00:10:31,846 Speaker 2: I think they're all in your head. So I. 199 00:10:34,126 --> 00:10:36,006 Speaker 3: Thought I won't say anything. 200 00:10:37,086 --> 00:10:40,166 Speaker 2: So I lay there for three or four hours, and 201 00:10:40,206 --> 00:10:43,206 Speaker 2: then I went still, Now I can't. I could feel 202 00:10:43,206 --> 00:10:45,366 Speaker 2: myself like pulling muscles in my neck, and I was like, no, 203 00:10:45,486 --> 00:10:47,206 Speaker 2: I think this is bad. So I pressed the button 204 00:10:47,206 --> 00:10:50,246 Speaker 2: and I said, I'm pretty sure I'm having contractions. And 205 00:10:50,326 --> 00:10:52,486 Speaker 2: every time I have a contraction, more water. Because that's 206 00:10:52,526 --> 00:10:52,766 Speaker 2: the thing. 207 00:10:52,806 --> 00:10:57,206 Speaker 3: My waters were breaking the whole time. I didn't know this. 208 00:10:58,045 --> 00:11:00,766 Speaker 3: Your waters just refill, you know, they don't. 209 00:11:01,405 --> 00:11:03,966 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense, yeah, because from it isn't where 210 00:11:04,566 --> 00:11:05,326 Speaker 2: croke where? 211 00:11:05,686 --> 00:11:06,405 Speaker 3: That's my question. 212 00:11:06,646 --> 00:11:08,566 Speaker 1: But that's so I didn't know that either. When you 213 00:11:08,646 --> 00:11:11,046 Speaker 1: told me about the water's breaking, I thought, well, that's that. 214 00:11:11,566 --> 00:11:14,406 Speaker 2: But that's yeah, And that's why I thought they had 215 00:11:14,446 --> 00:11:16,646 Speaker 2: to give you antibiotics because I'm imagining that I'm just 216 00:11:16,766 --> 00:11:22,325 Speaker 2: flapping open, Yeah, just flapping open with the pooh wee 217 00:11:22,366 --> 00:11:26,405 Speaker 2: baby substance. Who knows someone going to do a pooh 218 00:11:26,486 --> 00:11:30,405 Speaker 2: and then it's gonna But they did a scan on 219 00:11:30,446 --> 00:11:32,606 Speaker 2: the Sunday and they're like, oh yeah, they're both floating 220 00:11:32,606 --> 00:11:34,966 Speaker 2: and amniotic fluid. And I was like, but the anoniotic 221 00:11:35,045 --> 00:11:36,926 Speaker 2: fluid is in my socks. 222 00:11:36,686 --> 00:11:41,206 Speaker 3: And I can say it. I don't understand. It's like, 223 00:11:41,326 --> 00:11:43,886 Speaker 3: where does not come from? It's the same question. 224 00:11:44,285 --> 00:11:46,086 Speaker 1: Women are incredible being. 225 00:11:46,726 --> 00:11:49,606 Speaker 2: It just keeps feeling. And it was it was twin A. 226 00:11:49,726 --> 00:11:52,046 Speaker 2: It was boy who had broken e sack. I have 227 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:56,006 Speaker 2: a theory Margo did it. But yeah, and so I 228 00:11:56,045 --> 00:11:58,846 Speaker 2: can feel these contractions and I call the nurse in 229 00:11:58,886 --> 00:12:03,206 Speaker 2: and then they do the monitoring. Monitoring two heartbeats is hilarious. 230 00:12:03,326 --> 00:12:04,486 Speaker 2: It's not very easy. 231 00:12:05,165 --> 00:12:06,566 Speaker 3: So they start monitoring. 232 00:12:06,686 --> 00:12:09,606 Speaker 2: They can see the contractions happening, and a doctor came 233 00:12:09,646 --> 00:12:13,006 Speaker 2: in and said, look, this can happen at night. This 234 00:12:13,086 --> 00:12:14,286 Speaker 2: might happen every night. 235 00:12:14,606 --> 00:12:15,286 Speaker 3: For four weeks. 236 00:12:15,926 --> 00:12:20,086 Speaker 2: No Ah, lovely, where you just you start to labor, 237 00:12:20,326 --> 00:12:23,726 Speaker 2: sun comes up stops, which actually did happen for a 238 00:12:23,766 --> 00:12:27,726 Speaker 2: few days with Luna as well. But they watched and 239 00:12:27,766 --> 00:12:30,686 Speaker 2: it was about three thirty. I first alerted her. Two 240 00:12:30,686 --> 00:12:32,565 Speaker 2: hours later she came back in and she said, I've 241 00:12:32,606 --> 00:12:35,206 Speaker 2: just got off the phone to Dr Morris and you'll 242 00:12:35,206 --> 00:12:36,726 Speaker 2: be meeting these twins in one hour. 243 00:12:36,926 --> 00:12:37,685 Speaker 3: Oh whoa. 244 00:12:38,726 --> 00:12:43,166 Speaker 2: And I was like in total shock, not only from 245 00:12:43,285 --> 00:12:46,085 Speaker 2: like why have my waters broken? I'm still getting my 246 00:12:46,126 --> 00:12:49,006 Speaker 2: head around that, but I have one hour and Luca 247 00:12:49,165 --> 00:12:51,126 Speaker 2: was sleeping at home, so I had to call him 248 00:12:51,165 --> 00:12:52,686 Speaker 2: and go, you need to get here right now. 249 00:12:52,686 --> 00:12:53,646 Speaker 3: We're about to meet them. 250 00:12:53,726 --> 00:12:55,926 Speaker 2: And you tried to call me because I'm usually up 251 00:12:55,926 --> 00:12:58,606 Speaker 2: at the crack of dawn with Matilda, and that is. 252 00:12:58,566 --> 00:13:02,566 Speaker 3: The one morning she slept me. I'm so mad I 253 00:13:02,606 --> 00:13:03,606 Speaker 3: wanted to do there. 254 00:13:03,686 --> 00:13:06,046 Speaker 1: Were you scared, Jesse through all this time? Are you 255 00:13:06,165 --> 00:13:06,886 Speaker 1: like scared? 256 00:13:07,405 --> 00:13:09,006 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I was. 257 00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:12,126 Speaker 2: I was really scared because I was also trying to 258 00:13:12,206 --> 00:13:15,686 Speaker 2: decide up until that moment, like I could have gone, 259 00:13:16,606 --> 00:13:19,405 Speaker 2: let's get him out vaginally. That was also an option, 260 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:24,326 Speaker 2: but I was getting advice from very clever, very considerate, 261 00:13:24,526 --> 00:13:25,606 Speaker 2: very sensitive doctors. 262 00:13:26,206 --> 00:13:29,566 Speaker 3: We do not know what Twin B is going to do. 263 00:13:30,206 --> 00:13:31,606 Speaker 3: Twin A we reckon. 264 00:13:31,646 --> 00:13:34,566 Speaker 2: He'll come out in a second because he's head down. 265 00:13:35,045 --> 00:13:39,166 Speaker 2: Twin B might spin, she might crawl her way back 266 00:13:39,285 --> 00:13:43,166 Speaker 2: up to your like yep. And what we know about 267 00:13:43,165 --> 00:13:46,566 Speaker 2: Twin B is that she's the smaller one. She's not 268 00:13:47,045 --> 00:13:50,486 Speaker 2: very robust because they're early, and once a baby has 269 00:13:50,486 --> 00:13:52,446 Speaker 2: descended into the birth canal, it is coming out the 270 00:13:52,446 --> 00:13:54,685 Speaker 2: birth canal, no matter what instruments. 271 00:13:54,165 --> 00:13:54,846 Speaker 3: We have to use. 272 00:13:55,246 --> 00:13:59,405 Speaker 2: So if you want and if she hasn't descended through 273 00:13:59,446 --> 00:14:01,286 Speaker 2: the birth canal, then we do a C section and 274 00:14:01,326 --> 00:14:03,886 Speaker 2: you end up recovering from two births. And that is 275 00:14:04,446 --> 00:14:06,366 Speaker 2: I was given about a one in five chants of 276 00:14:06,405 --> 00:14:10,326 Speaker 2: that happening. So I went, all right, what do you. 277 00:14:10,326 --> 00:14:12,006 Speaker 3: Guys think I should do. When they said see section, 278 00:14:12,086 --> 00:14:13,126 Speaker 3: I went great. 279 00:14:13,486 --> 00:14:17,526 Speaker 2: So they take all your jewelry off and put a 280 00:14:17,566 --> 00:14:21,326 Speaker 2: handnet on and take your underpants off, like just all 281 00:14:21,366 --> 00:14:24,166 Speaker 2: this stuff that you're like. It just it went from 282 00:14:24,246 --> 00:14:29,126 Speaker 2: so slow to so fast. And then they put me 283 00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:34,126 Speaker 2: on a stretch of bed and take me into surgery 284 00:14:34,166 --> 00:14:38,446 Speaker 2: where there are maybe a dozen people really bright do 285 00:14:38,606 --> 00:14:44,246 Speaker 2: the spinal thing, which I think hurt more than an epidural, 286 00:14:44,606 --> 00:14:49,006 Speaker 2: Like they put that the local killed spinal block, and 287 00:14:49,086 --> 00:14:52,566 Speaker 2: then they kind of shuffled me. 288 00:14:53,326 --> 00:14:56,446 Speaker 3: Actually this is quite a funny detail. 289 00:14:56,526 --> 00:15:01,526 Speaker 2: But so I hadn't seen my bikini line for six months, right, 290 00:15:02,046 --> 00:15:04,846 Speaker 2: I still don't think i've seen it. And they lay 291 00:15:04,966 --> 00:15:09,046 Speaker 2: me down and I've had a big forty eight hours 292 00:15:09,886 --> 00:15:12,086 Speaker 2: and I just hear the obstration go we're gonna need 293 00:15:12,126 --> 00:15:13,446 Speaker 2: a razor, and I was. 294 00:15:13,406 --> 00:15:17,406 Speaker 3: Like, how did you say? 295 00:15:17,526 --> 00:15:23,326 Speaker 2: In front of my husband, in front of everyone. And 296 00:15:23,406 --> 00:15:25,566 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you get the with a snipper out 297 00:15:26,286 --> 00:15:28,286 Speaker 2: because they do it so much lower than you think 298 00:15:28,326 --> 00:15:30,726 Speaker 2: they will. 299 00:15:30,606 --> 00:15:32,366 Speaker 1: Well, I've taken initiative and do it yourself. 300 00:15:32,646 --> 00:15:37,486 Speaker 3: Do it. I've had a fucking spinal tap. 301 00:15:37,646 --> 00:15:42,126 Speaker 2: Give me a brasilient just keep it quiet, so it 302 00:15:42,166 --> 00:15:43,766 Speaker 2: announces it to the whole room. 303 00:15:43,966 --> 00:15:47,366 Speaker 3: I'm sure there was a sister in there. I don't know. 304 00:15:47,486 --> 00:15:49,406 Speaker 3: I don't know if I was imagining. 305 00:15:49,766 --> 00:15:51,286 Speaker 1: The nun was one with the razor. 306 00:15:53,086 --> 00:15:56,566 Speaker 2: Let me and none gave me a basilion, and so 307 00:15:57,366 --> 00:16:00,006 Speaker 2: she did that. And then Luca comes in with his 308 00:16:00,526 --> 00:16:04,126 Speaker 2: silly little surgical hat on and sits with me and 309 00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:06,046 Speaker 2: the aneath. The test is just explained how it all goes. 310 00:16:06,086 --> 00:16:09,166 Speaker 2: I quite liked the tingliness in my legs. They do 311 00:16:09,206 --> 00:16:11,086 Speaker 2: the ice cube thing. They're like, you're gonna feel it, 312 00:16:11,126 --> 00:16:13,886 Speaker 2: but it's not gonna hurt. Then I'm laying there with 313 00:16:13,966 --> 00:16:17,166 Speaker 2: Luca and a friend said to me, try and maintain 314 00:16:17,526 --> 00:16:21,286 Speaker 2: a completely normal conversation with your partner so you don't freak, 315 00:16:21,486 --> 00:16:24,406 Speaker 2: because if you think about it too much and you think. 316 00:16:24,286 --> 00:16:26,566 Speaker 3: About your legs not moving, it can just talk about 317 00:16:26,566 --> 00:16:29,486 Speaker 3: what they're doing. You don't want to question think about. 318 00:16:35,566 --> 00:16:39,246 Speaker 2: Actually, don't let me forget. I have Orlando Norris. He's 319 00:16:39,286 --> 00:16:40,406 Speaker 2: been a shining light. 320 00:16:41,926 --> 00:16:42,646 Speaker 1: I'm so happy. 321 00:16:42,846 --> 00:16:44,086 Speaker 3: Luca's holding my hand. 322 00:16:43,966 --> 00:16:48,406 Speaker 2: And then they I hear a cry and it's Harry 323 00:16:49,286 --> 00:16:53,806 Speaker 2: and they pick him up, and I couldn't believe he 324 00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:55,006 Speaker 2: cried because I was told they. 325 00:16:54,926 --> 00:16:57,366 Speaker 3: Might not yea, they might have issues. 326 00:16:57,646 --> 00:17:02,966 Speaker 2: Noise, and they lower the curtain and lift Harry up, 327 00:17:03,086 --> 00:17:04,646 Speaker 2: and I like, go to try and touch him, but 328 00:17:04,686 --> 00:17:07,006 Speaker 2: that's a sterile surgical place that I'm not allowed, and 329 00:17:07,006 --> 00:17:11,366 Speaker 2: they were like, oh no, they rush Harry over to 330 00:17:12,046 --> 00:17:15,846 Speaker 2: deuce oxygen. And then a minute later Margo comes and 331 00:17:15,926 --> 00:17:21,526 Speaker 2: she cries too, and I at that point. 332 00:17:22,366 --> 00:17:24,886 Speaker 3: Weirdly, at like twenty weeks. 333 00:17:24,686 --> 00:17:25,966 Speaker 2: Pregnant, I was going to bed one night and I 334 00:17:25,966 --> 00:17:28,686 Speaker 2: said to Luca, Hey, if anything weird happens during birth, 335 00:17:28,926 --> 00:17:31,886 Speaker 2: go with the twins. Like I had read something that 336 00:17:32,006 --> 00:17:36,286 Speaker 2: just said have that conversation because your husband know whether 337 00:17:36,326 --> 00:17:38,686 Speaker 2: to go with the twins or stay with you. And 338 00:17:38,726 --> 00:17:42,246 Speaker 2: I was like, just go to them, check that they're okay. 339 00:17:43,046 --> 00:17:48,526 Speaker 2: And I was laying there and started feeling really bad, 340 00:17:48,886 --> 00:17:54,686 Speaker 2: like lightheaded, nauseous, out of it. There's no way I 341 00:17:54,766 --> 00:17:58,406 Speaker 2: knew I'd just had two babies. And then the anethethist. 342 00:17:58,486 --> 00:18:01,646 Speaker 2: I could hear the obstrition saying, whenever you're giving her, 343 00:18:01,686 --> 00:18:06,646 Speaker 2: you need to give her more because the placenta wouldn't soften. 344 00:18:06,686 --> 00:18:07,926 Speaker 3: There was an issue with the placenta. 345 00:18:08,526 --> 00:18:10,766 Speaker 2: I heard them say that I'd lost a fair bit 346 00:18:10,766 --> 00:18:13,806 Speaker 2: of blood, and the uneath test then said to me, 347 00:18:14,366 --> 00:18:16,166 Speaker 2: I hate having to do this, but I'm about to 348 00:18:16,206 --> 00:18:17,886 Speaker 2: give you some drugs that are going to make you 349 00:18:17,926 --> 00:18:21,366 Speaker 2: feel really bad. Like they're going to make you feel 350 00:18:21,406 --> 00:18:24,246 Speaker 2: really sick. And basically when you have twins, like the 351 00:18:24,246 --> 00:18:27,366 Speaker 2: two placentas, I think were like hardening, like they weren't 352 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:30,166 Speaker 2: soft enough to get them out so I could feel them. 353 00:18:30,446 --> 00:18:32,606 Speaker 3: And then I turned to the uneath. 354 00:18:32,446 --> 00:18:33,646 Speaker 2: Test and I was like, I feel really sick, and 355 00:18:33,646 --> 00:18:37,006 Speaker 2: he said it's a mixture of the drugs and the rummaging. 356 00:18:37,606 --> 00:18:40,966 Speaker 2: Oh you can't feel that rummage. Yeah. 357 00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:45,446 Speaker 3: And actually when Margot came so they got Harry and 358 00:18:45,486 --> 00:18:47,926 Speaker 3: then it felt like the obstetrician. 359 00:18:48,206 --> 00:18:52,406 Speaker 2: Was sitting on my ribs the strength he had to 360 00:18:52,526 --> 00:18:53,606 Speaker 2: use to get her out. 361 00:18:53,646 --> 00:18:55,246 Speaker 3: And he later told me that it was like they 362 00:18:55,246 --> 00:18:57,566 Speaker 3: were like they were a little fish that were like 363 00:18:57,846 --> 00:19:02,406 Speaker 3: swimming in circles and he was trying to catch She's like, 364 00:19:02,446 --> 00:19:03,886 Speaker 3: don't get me, don't get me, don't get me. And 365 00:19:03,886 --> 00:19:05,886 Speaker 3: it's like don't get me, don't get me, don't get me, which. 366 00:19:05,766 --> 00:19:08,806 Speaker 2: I was like, I am very glad you came out 367 00:19:08,806 --> 00:19:12,606 Speaker 2: the sunway I was to play Chasing no In. 368 00:19:12,646 --> 00:19:13,606 Speaker 3: The birth came out. 369 00:19:13,726 --> 00:19:15,766 Speaker 1: And as Luke had gone with the twins. 370 00:19:15,566 --> 00:19:18,726 Speaker 3: He's gone with the twins. He cut their cords. And 371 00:19:19,126 --> 00:19:21,406 Speaker 3: then Margo came over and. 372 00:19:21,446 --> 00:19:27,366 Speaker 2: Was put on my chest and I couldn't see her, 373 00:19:27,686 --> 00:19:30,126 Speaker 2: like I couldn't my eyes weren't working. 374 00:19:30,486 --> 00:19:35,246 Speaker 3: I felt so sick, I said, declare later. 375 00:19:35,326 --> 00:19:38,206 Speaker 2: It's like, imagine the worst food poisoning you've ever had, 376 00:19:38,206 --> 00:19:41,006 Speaker 2: and someone hands you your newborn baby and you're going. 377 00:19:41,446 --> 00:19:42,286 Speaker 3: This is great. 378 00:19:43,126 --> 00:19:46,246 Speaker 2: But I just feel so so and I kept turning 379 00:19:46,246 --> 00:19:49,206 Speaker 2: around kind of going, guys, I don't feel right. I 380 00:19:49,206 --> 00:20:00,326 Speaker 2: don't feel right. And so then they took Margo. I 381 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:02,366 Speaker 2: didn't get to see I didn't get to hold Harry 382 00:20:02,446 --> 00:20:07,126 Speaker 2: for hours and hours. But they took them off to Niko, 383 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:10,046 Speaker 2: and I went to recovery, and I look back now 384 00:20:10,046 --> 00:20:11,766 Speaker 2: and I'm like, where. 385 00:20:11,526 --> 00:20:16,206 Speaker 3: Did I think they were? I hardly asked a question 386 00:20:16,566 --> 00:20:19,966 Speaker 3: because I was just so so unwell. So I went 387 00:20:20,326 --> 00:20:25,006 Speaker 3: to recovery and I just said like, I'm so thirsty. 388 00:20:25,046 --> 00:20:27,926 Speaker 3: I'm so thirsty. And I had like four apple juices, 389 00:20:28,006 --> 00:20:29,246 Speaker 3: which all of a sudden I could drink. 390 00:20:29,846 --> 00:20:32,126 Speaker 2: Kept saying to Luca, like, get me a smoothie, get 391 00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:36,206 Speaker 2: me a juice, which apparently is like that's a symptom 392 00:20:36,286 --> 00:20:38,926 Speaker 2: of heavy blood loss, like when you've had a lot 393 00:20:38,966 --> 00:20:42,326 Speaker 2: of blood loss, you get really really thirsty. My obstration 394 00:20:42,486 --> 00:20:46,726 Speaker 2: told me what had happened that I was like, couldn't 395 00:20:46,726 --> 00:20:49,206 Speaker 2: hear it. And then they ended up wheeling me back 396 00:20:49,286 --> 00:20:51,766 Speaker 2: to my room, and I was like trying to read 397 00:20:51,886 --> 00:20:53,846 Speaker 2: something on the wall and like trying to look at something, 398 00:20:54,566 --> 00:20:59,406 Speaker 2: and I kept thinking, don't panic, but like it feels 399 00:20:59,646 --> 00:21:02,966 Speaker 2: like you are so intoxicated that you can't keep your 400 00:21:03,046 --> 00:21:06,126 Speaker 2: eyes open, and I just wanted my brain back, Like 401 00:21:06,206 --> 00:21:06,766 Speaker 2: I kept. 402 00:21:06,606 --> 00:21:08,965 Speaker 3: Thinking, I don't care about pain. I don't care. 403 00:21:09,046 --> 00:21:12,886 Speaker 2: I just I'm not here, like I can't touch any 404 00:21:12,966 --> 00:21:14,806 Speaker 2: of it. And then in the next few days, through 405 00:21:15,246 --> 00:21:17,566 Speaker 2: blood tests and stuff, they were like, ah, you have 406 00:21:18,326 --> 00:21:18,886 Speaker 2: no blood. 407 00:21:19,046 --> 00:21:21,566 Speaker 3: So I had two blood transfusions, Oh my god, which 408 00:21:21,846 --> 00:21:28,766 Speaker 3: she certainly helped. But I had this like whushing. It 409 00:21:28,846 --> 00:21:30,406 Speaker 3: was like I was on the loudest aeroplane. 410 00:21:31,006 --> 00:21:34,486 Speaker 2: My ears were like screen like this really weird whushing 411 00:21:34,566 --> 00:21:37,326 Speaker 2: and this headache. And so I'd had them at six 412 00:21:37,526 --> 00:21:41,366 Speaker 2: forty eight and six forty nine. I'm then like barely 413 00:21:41,486 --> 00:21:48,046 Speaker 2: conscious for hours and then I was like, get me 414 00:21:48,086 --> 00:21:49,766 Speaker 2: to my babies. I need to go see my babies. 415 00:21:50,606 --> 00:21:52,846 Speaker 2: I said, well, can I Can I stand up now? 416 00:21:53,206 --> 00:21:55,406 Speaker 2: Like I can move my legs, can I stand up? 417 00:21:55,926 --> 00:21:58,166 Speaker 2: And she said, oh, usually we don't get you moving 418 00:21:58,246 --> 00:21:59,966 Speaker 2: until tomorrow, but if you want. I was like, yeah, 419 00:21:59,966 --> 00:22:01,566 Speaker 2: I would like a shower, and then I would like 420 00:22:01,606 --> 00:22:04,806 Speaker 2: to see the babies. Got up, went in a wheelchair 421 00:22:04,966 --> 00:22:07,726 Speaker 2: down there, and then that was the first time I 422 00:22:08,606 --> 00:22:12,366 Speaker 2: held Harry. And I walked into Niku and it was 423 00:22:12,526 --> 00:22:16,686 Speaker 2: like I'd never been there before, but I walked straight 424 00:22:16,766 --> 00:22:20,926 Speaker 2: to Harry like there were you know, twelve babies in there, 425 00:22:22,006 --> 00:22:25,846 Speaker 2: and I just knew that that was Harry and that 426 00:22:26,006 --> 00:22:31,646 Speaker 2: was Margo. And the sound, like I keep hearing myself, 427 00:22:32,206 --> 00:22:35,446 Speaker 2: the sound I made when I saw Harry for the 428 00:22:35,526 --> 00:22:40,326 Speaker 2: first time was just like unlike any sound I've ever made, 429 00:22:40,886 --> 00:22:44,526 Speaker 2: like glee or like was it happiness or just broken, 430 00:22:44,886 --> 00:22:48,726 Speaker 2: Like it was like my voice broke, like someone had 431 00:22:48,806 --> 00:22:53,406 Speaker 2: removed my leg and I'd finally found it. 432 00:22:54,366 --> 00:22:58,046 Speaker 3: And so sat with him and gave him a cuddle. 433 00:22:58,366 --> 00:23:03,486 Speaker 2: And it's all pretty confronting because he had a mask 434 00:23:03,606 --> 00:23:05,726 Speaker 2: on and this like kind of hel Maty on. 435 00:23:05,886 --> 00:23:07,965 Speaker 3: He's got this big snor call to help him breathe. 436 00:23:08,646 --> 00:23:13,966 Speaker 2: He's got needles and cables and heart monitors, and he 437 00:23:14,886 --> 00:23:17,366 Speaker 2: is so small, like he was one point eight and 438 00:23:17,486 --> 00:23:23,286 Speaker 2: Margo was one point seven kilos. They're just tiny and 439 00:23:23,406 --> 00:23:26,046 Speaker 2: even now like it's a week on, yeah, a week 440 00:23:26,086 --> 00:23:27,726 Speaker 2: and a bit on, and Margo still has like a 441 00:23:27,846 --> 00:23:31,686 Speaker 2: canula in her hand, like those babies have had more 442 00:23:31,766 --> 00:23:32,846 Speaker 2: needles in a week. 443 00:23:32,766 --> 00:23:34,126 Speaker 3: Than Lunar has had in her whole life. 444 00:23:34,446 --> 00:23:37,886 Speaker 1: Babe, does anyone tell you what to expect? I mean, 445 00:23:37,926 --> 00:23:40,286 Speaker 1: obviously you knew that Nicki was a possibility, but as 446 00:23:40,326 --> 00:23:42,566 Speaker 1: you just when you're just describing how confronting it was 447 00:23:42,686 --> 00:23:44,326 Speaker 1: to see them the first time, does anyone say, so, 448 00:23:44,486 --> 00:23:46,046 Speaker 1: this is what's they're going to look like, this is 449 00:23:46,086 --> 00:23:46,726 Speaker 1: how it's going to be. 450 00:23:47,206 --> 00:23:49,486 Speaker 2: So I had a few friends that I reached out 451 00:23:49,566 --> 00:23:54,006 Speaker 2: to when I landed in hospital who said, google what 452 00:23:54,046 --> 00:23:56,446 Speaker 2: a thirty four week looks like. Although you've been told 453 00:23:56,526 --> 00:23:59,846 Speaker 2: since the twins about a week earlier, like they look 454 00:23:59,886 --> 00:24:02,966 Speaker 2: about a week earlier. So a thirty four week singleton 455 00:24:03,206 --> 00:24:08,286 Speaker 2: is probably bigger than the twins, But google that. And 456 00:24:08,326 --> 00:24:12,126 Speaker 2: then they'd also had someone from the NIKU come in 457 00:24:12,566 --> 00:24:15,406 Speaker 2: and talk to me about what it would look like 458 00:24:15,526 --> 00:24:18,286 Speaker 2: if they were born tomorrow, how long the stay might be, 459 00:24:18,926 --> 00:24:21,646 Speaker 2: how they then go to special care. There was talk 460 00:24:21,726 --> 00:24:23,966 Speaker 2: of me doing a bit of a tour and looking 461 00:24:24,006 --> 00:24:26,006 Speaker 2: at it before I had them, but we didn't get 462 00:24:26,006 --> 00:24:26,406 Speaker 2: a chance. 463 00:24:27,206 --> 00:24:29,206 Speaker 3: It is almost a spiritual place. 464 00:24:29,606 --> 00:24:32,006 Speaker 2: There's lots of beeping and lights and whatever, but there 465 00:24:32,126 --> 00:24:36,766 Speaker 2: is this energy in Niku that is just so honored 466 00:24:36,886 --> 00:24:38,926 Speaker 2: by everyone who goes in there. It's like this place, 467 00:24:39,126 --> 00:24:43,926 Speaker 2: this like liminal, limbo place where none of these babies, 468 00:24:44,006 --> 00:24:47,286 Speaker 2: well most of these babies shouldn't be here yet. Yeah, 469 00:24:47,406 --> 00:24:51,486 Speaker 2: they're in these like cots that are temperature controlled and 470 00:24:52,566 --> 00:24:56,206 Speaker 2: their job is to is to grow. Lots of beeping 471 00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:59,246 Speaker 2: and stuff. But the nurses, and this is what everyone says, 472 00:24:59,286 --> 00:25:02,126 Speaker 2: it's not just the nurses, it's the doctors, it's everyone 473 00:25:02,206 --> 00:25:07,366 Speaker 2: there are just not like any other profession. They just 474 00:25:07,606 --> 00:25:11,446 Speaker 2: must that they must know that this is one of 475 00:25:11,566 --> 00:25:15,166 Speaker 2: the most difficult times a parent can go through. And 476 00:25:15,286 --> 00:25:18,766 Speaker 2: you walk in and you can go anytime morning, night, 477 00:25:19,206 --> 00:25:22,406 Speaker 2: pick up your baby. That's their number one priority. It 478 00:25:22,446 --> 00:25:24,126 Speaker 2: doesn't matter how many tubes are, and you pick up 479 00:25:24,166 --> 00:25:26,766 Speaker 2: that baby and you do skin to skin and they 480 00:25:27,646 --> 00:25:30,926 Speaker 2: you know, sort you out with a pump and visitors 481 00:25:31,006 --> 00:25:36,206 Speaker 2: and like they're just so so caring and so good 482 00:25:36,246 --> 00:25:36,766 Speaker 2: to your babies. 483 00:25:36,806 --> 00:25:39,326 Speaker 3: And there's a there's a live stream, so. 484 00:25:41,486 --> 00:25:43,965 Speaker 1: Check in on them a week on and a lot 485 00:25:44,006 --> 00:25:46,766 Speaker 1: has happened in that time. But what kind of obviously 486 00:25:46,846 --> 00:25:50,966 Speaker 1: the babies are still there and you went home when, 487 00:25:51,206 --> 00:25:54,126 Speaker 1: and what's the rhythm of this new normal of yours? 488 00:25:54,366 --> 00:25:57,406 Speaker 2: Like? So I had them on Monday and I went 489 00:25:57,526 --> 00:26:00,846 Speaker 2: home on Thursday. I was very keen to get home 490 00:26:01,206 --> 00:26:06,326 Speaker 2: for lunar like that's been torturous because she doesn't two 491 00:26:06,326 --> 00:26:07,126 Speaker 2: and a half year old. 492 00:26:06,966 --> 00:26:08,486 Speaker 3: Wants to come to hospital and sit on a bed 493 00:26:08,526 --> 00:26:11,886 Speaker 3: with mum, Like that's just a terrible experience. So I 494 00:26:12,006 --> 00:26:17,046 Speaker 3: came home and now I go in the morning. 495 00:26:17,046 --> 00:26:19,166 Speaker 2: Try and spend as much of the day there as possible, 496 00:26:19,326 --> 00:26:22,166 Speaker 2: come back in the afternoon, hang out with Luna. I 497 00:26:22,246 --> 00:26:25,366 Speaker 2: really like to do bedtime with her. And I'm trying 498 00:26:25,606 --> 00:26:29,206 Speaker 2: to get back there at night because of I'm just 499 00:26:29,286 --> 00:26:33,766 Speaker 2: finding that incredibly difficult. But to be a weak post 500 00:26:33,806 --> 00:26:36,886 Speaker 2: c section and have to do a really decent walk 501 00:26:37,406 --> 00:26:41,206 Speaker 2: in order to get to the hospital, and every time 502 00:26:41,926 --> 00:26:45,086 Speaker 2: we're in the car, it's like I just keep looking 503 00:26:45,126 --> 00:26:49,246 Speaker 2: at Luca and going there shouldn't be traffic, Like there 504 00:26:49,286 --> 00:26:50,806 Speaker 2: shouldn't be traffic. 505 00:26:51,126 --> 00:26:53,166 Speaker 3: Between me and my newborn babies. 506 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:57,166 Speaker 2: Like the anger of just like how can there be 507 00:26:57,206 --> 00:27:00,326 Speaker 2: another red light? I just needed to see them hours ago? 508 00:27:00,366 --> 00:27:01,886 Speaker 2: And then you get to the hospital and you feel 509 00:27:01,926 --> 00:27:06,086 Speaker 2: your speed like you just want to but then you 510 00:27:06,126 --> 00:27:07,766 Speaker 2: can feel that you have surgery a week ago. 511 00:27:07,966 --> 00:27:10,966 Speaker 1: You must be exhausted as well, right like you lost 512 00:27:11,046 --> 00:27:13,286 Speaker 1: all that blood. You've been through so much in the 513 00:27:13,366 --> 00:27:15,406 Speaker 1: past week, and all you want to do is be 514 00:27:15,486 --> 00:27:18,406 Speaker 1: with them, But you must also be exhausted, babe. 515 00:27:18,886 --> 00:27:21,766 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's to feed them, and with the like 516 00:27:21,926 --> 00:27:24,766 Speaker 2: I whether people choose to breastfeed or not, absolutely I 517 00:27:24,846 --> 00:27:28,526 Speaker 2: have zero judgment. But with premis, with all the advice 518 00:27:28,526 --> 00:27:31,205 Speaker 2: I've been given, it'd be really great to feed them 519 00:27:31,206 --> 00:27:34,006 Speaker 2: at least for a bit. So I'm on my pumping 520 00:27:34,646 --> 00:27:38,406 Speaker 2: schedule every three hours, trying to bring in milk for twins. 521 00:27:38,486 --> 00:27:42,206 Speaker 2: I'm now on like a medication which increases supply, but 522 00:27:43,086 --> 00:27:46,206 Speaker 2: we've had some issues with Margo. So I think it 523 00:27:46,326 --> 00:27:49,766 Speaker 2: was like day three, my milk was just coming in. 524 00:27:49,846 --> 00:27:51,766 Speaker 2: I'd had this night of just like you know, the 525 00:27:51,846 --> 00:27:55,446 Speaker 2: fevery shaky, hot cold thing. And then I woke up 526 00:27:55,446 --> 00:27:57,006 Speaker 2: and the pediatrician was on the end of my bed 527 00:27:57,046 --> 00:28:00,526 Speaker 2: and she was like, we've had to take Margo. We 528 00:28:00,686 --> 00:28:02,766 Speaker 2: have to take her this morning to a different hospital 529 00:28:02,846 --> 00:28:07,286 Speaker 2: to do a scan on her stomach because there could 530 00:28:07,326 --> 00:28:08,646 Speaker 2: be a blockage because of all. 531 00:28:08,566 --> 00:28:11,126 Speaker 3: These symptoms that she's exhibiting. So she had to go. 532 00:28:11,646 --> 00:28:16,246 Speaker 3: That was a terrifying, terrifying day. And she's now been moved. 533 00:28:16,486 --> 00:28:18,486 Speaker 2: She wasn't Special Care and now she's been moved back 534 00:28:18,526 --> 00:28:20,966 Speaker 2: to Nico because of a bunch of vomiting issues and 535 00:28:21,046 --> 00:28:26,446 Speaker 2: it looks like it's cow's milk prote analogy, which Luna had, 536 00:28:26,806 --> 00:28:29,766 Speaker 2: so we're kind of problem solving there. But she's now 537 00:28:29,846 --> 00:28:32,086 Speaker 2: been moved back there. So even when we like I 538 00:28:32,126 --> 00:28:35,206 Speaker 2: went yesterday and I was going between the NIKU where 539 00:28:35,246 --> 00:28:39,246 Speaker 2: Margo is and Special Care where Harry is, Like the 540 00:28:39,326 --> 00:28:43,846 Speaker 2: fact they're not together fills sickening. We're going to try 541 00:28:43,886 --> 00:28:46,446 Speaker 2: and transfer them to a hospital that's a bit closer 542 00:28:46,486 --> 00:28:48,926 Speaker 2: to home so we can duck there and back a 543 00:28:48,966 --> 00:28:49,926 Speaker 2: little bit more easily. 544 00:28:50,246 --> 00:28:52,086 Speaker 1: And now they're telling you how long they think they're 545 00:28:52,126 --> 00:28:52,846 Speaker 1: going to be in there for. 546 00:28:53,486 --> 00:28:57,246 Speaker 2: It could be another five weeks, so we are settling 547 00:28:57,326 --> 00:29:02,606 Speaker 2: in for the long haul, trying to do feeds with Harry. 548 00:29:02,686 --> 00:29:05,126 Speaker 2: He's had a few breastfeeds, which is great. The fact 549 00:29:05,126 --> 00:29:09,206 Speaker 2: that he and because they suck swallow, reflex doesn't come 550 00:29:09,606 --> 00:29:11,926 Speaker 2: till maybe like thirty four. 551 00:29:12,006 --> 00:29:13,726 Speaker 3: Thirty four, thirty five weeks, so it was going to 552 00:29:13,766 --> 00:29:14,486 Speaker 3: take a little while. 553 00:29:14,566 --> 00:29:17,686 Speaker 2: They're both on tubes, so the food goes directly into 554 00:29:17,726 --> 00:29:20,006 Speaker 2: their tummy, so we've kind of got to wait for 555 00:29:20,086 --> 00:29:22,566 Speaker 2: them to do that. They both put on a bit 556 00:29:22,606 --> 00:29:26,206 Speaker 2: of weight, which is what we want to see to 557 00:29:26,366 --> 00:29:29,286 Speaker 2: be discharged from special care. It's not about weight, it's 558 00:29:29,326 --> 00:29:31,566 Speaker 2: not like they've got to hit something. It's if they 559 00:29:31,686 --> 00:29:35,526 Speaker 2: can suck and swallow all of their feeds like on 560 00:29:35,606 --> 00:29:37,086 Speaker 2: their own, you could take them home and they could 561 00:29:37,286 --> 00:29:40,406 Speaker 2: whether it's breast or bottle formula, milk, whatever. 562 00:29:41,126 --> 00:29:42,126 Speaker 3: That's the threshold. 563 00:29:42,526 --> 00:29:45,166 Speaker 2: So we're waiting to see if we can get them 564 00:29:45,646 --> 00:29:47,566 Speaker 2: when we can get them there, and it could be 565 00:29:47,726 --> 00:29:49,366 Speaker 2: that one's a little bit quicker. 566 00:29:49,166 --> 00:29:49,526 Speaker 3: Than the other. 567 00:29:49,606 --> 00:29:53,286 Speaker 2: Maybe Harry, you know, he's a bit less vomity than Margo's, 568 00:29:53,366 --> 00:29:55,046 Speaker 2: so maybe he'll come home a little earlier. 569 00:29:55,686 --> 00:29:57,846 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not going to be for a little while, 570 00:29:57,926 --> 00:29:58,486 Speaker 3: that's for sure. 571 00:29:58,886 --> 00:30:04,486 Speaker 2: I've been so impressed by the way the nicky nurses 572 00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:08,766 Speaker 2: communicate and like their manner, the emotional intelligence it takes 573 00:30:08,846 --> 00:30:11,246 Speaker 2: to meet somebody where they are when you're at your 574 00:30:11,326 --> 00:30:15,206 Speaker 2: absolute most vulnerable, and the way they get to know 575 00:30:15,366 --> 00:30:18,766 Speaker 2: the baby so well, and like they're now on board 576 00:30:18,806 --> 00:30:21,046 Speaker 2: that Margo is the drama, which we always said when 577 00:30:21,086 --> 00:30:23,086 Speaker 2: she was in your womb, she was always going to 578 00:30:23,126 --> 00:30:25,686 Speaker 2: be the drama, whereas Harry and that all she wanted, 579 00:30:25,806 --> 00:30:27,966 Speaker 2: like she wanted a trip to the East. Yeah, yeah, 580 00:30:28,326 --> 00:30:30,606 Speaker 2: get out of this hospital. I want to see some time. 581 00:30:30,926 --> 00:30:33,926 Speaker 2: Take me to the East. Give it a sigh bowl, 582 00:30:34,646 --> 00:30:38,166 Speaker 2: which guess what, Margo, your tummy could not see. Yeah, yeah, 583 00:30:38,566 --> 00:30:41,886 Speaker 2: but yeah, they definitely yeah yeah yeah. The emotional intelligence 584 00:30:41,926 --> 00:30:46,006 Speaker 2: of like the way the pediatrician talks to you, the 585 00:30:46,166 --> 00:30:49,766 Speaker 2: gentleness of it all, like is I don't know what 586 00:30:50,006 --> 00:30:52,446 Speaker 2: how they screen them if. 587 00:30:52,326 --> 00:30:57,646 Speaker 3: You're a bitch, you're not yetting in there. Yeah, they've 588 00:30:57,686 --> 00:30:59,606 Speaker 3: got a book that they are. 589 00:30:59,646 --> 00:31:02,486 Speaker 1: Not casting for maths from the nick squad. 590 00:31:02,606 --> 00:31:03,526 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 591 00:31:03,926 --> 00:31:05,726 Speaker 1: I know the outlouders will be worried about you as 592 00:31:05,766 --> 00:31:07,926 Speaker 1: well as the babies. How are you doing? I mean 593 00:31:07,966 --> 00:31:09,606 Speaker 1: I know you said, I can't tell you how I am, 594 00:31:09,686 --> 00:31:12,566 Speaker 1: but like what's helping? If anything, I have. 595 00:31:12,806 --> 00:31:15,486 Speaker 2: Never felt closer to you like I would not think 596 00:31:15,646 --> 00:31:19,486 Speaker 2: that in a period like this, when I've been through 597 00:31:19,526 --> 00:31:27,886 Speaker 2: a very specific physical psychological experience like the hormone drop 598 00:31:27,966 --> 00:31:33,726 Speaker 2: after twins was nothing like Luna, like the the emotional 599 00:31:34,766 --> 00:31:38,966 Speaker 2: whirlwind of it my brain, those poor nick who nurses, 600 00:31:39,686 --> 00:31:41,686 Speaker 2: I I just call them all grace. 601 00:31:41,886 --> 00:31:45,206 Speaker 3: There's never been a grace. There's never been one. I'm 602 00:31:45,286 --> 00:31:46,206 Speaker 3: calling them grace. 603 00:31:46,606 --> 00:31:47,726 Speaker 1: That's your word of the year. 604 00:31:47,846 --> 00:31:51,166 Speaker 2: Bad That's what it is. 605 00:31:51,566 --> 00:31:54,046 Speaker 3: You are all grace to me is your word of. 606 00:31:54,086 --> 00:31:57,446 Speaker 1: The year, and your grace and their grace grace. 607 00:31:58,726 --> 00:32:01,806 Speaker 2: Because like I've stopped correcting you when you call them grace, 608 00:32:01,926 --> 00:32:03,606 Speaker 2: I think they're all just going to answer to that now. 609 00:32:04,326 --> 00:32:08,006 Speaker 3: It is like my brain is just completely off its. 610 00:32:08,086 --> 00:32:12,046 Speaker 2: It's almost funny, but certainly that doing it with someone, 611 00:32:12,206 --> 00:32:14,166 Speaker 2: the fact that Luca and I go together and our 612 00:32:14,326 --> 00:32:17,006 Speaker 2: job is to cut all those babies for hours and 613 00:32:17,086 --> 00:32:19,566 Speaker 2: we just sit in those chairs with the babies on 614 00:32:19,646 --> 00:32:24,446 Speaker 2: our chest talking to them. And Luca said, at the 615 00:32:24,526 --> 00:32:26,686 Speaker 2: end of last week, that was the best week of 616 00:32:26,726 --> 00:32:29,606 Speaker 2: my life, which I just went wow, mate. 617 00:32:30,286 --> 00:32:30,846 Speaker 1: Really. 618 00:32:33,286 --> 00:32:34,366 Speaker 3: One of us was present. 619 00:32:35,886 --> 00:32:39,686 Speaker 1: That's beautiful because what you just said, like the simplicity 620 00:32:39,766 --> 00:32:41,726 Speaker 1: of we have a job and it is to cuddle 621 00:32:41,766 --> 00:32:45,446 Speaker 1: those babies. Yeah, I mean when life is brought to 622 00:32:45,566 --> 00:32:51,606 Speaker 1: that very very simple, very clear priority, there's grace there right. 623 00:32:52,086 --> 00:32:57,766 Speaker 2: The other thing has been the generosity of other women 624 00:32:57,846 --> 00:33:03,566 Speaker 2: who have been through this. And I reached out to 625 00:33:03,646 --> 00:33:06,086 Speaker 2: a few people that I kind of went, oh, didn't 626 00:33:06,126 --> 00:33:10,406 Speaker 2: she have a premi baby and messaged and of course 627 00:33:10,526 --> 00:33:14,526 Speaker 2: then you actually get the full story and like the 628 00:33:14,686 --> 00:33:19,646 Speaker 2: advice and the oh, I mean Amelia has her own story, 629 00:33:19,686 --> 00:33:22,046 Speaker 2: and other members of the Outloud team have their own 630 00:33:22,046 --> 00:33:24,606 Speaker 2: stories about what they've experienced. And I can't tell you 631 00:33:24,726 --> 00:33:26,446 Speaker 2: what it means. This is something that women do that 632 00:33:26,606 --> 00:33:31,726 Speaker 2: men don't do as well. But women just rally and 633 00:33:32,046 --> 00:33:35,526 Speaker 2: like are able to help articulate what you're experiencing and 634 00:33:35,606 --> 00:33:39,446 Speaker 2: tell you what helped them and go, this is going 635 00:33:39,526 --> 00:33:42,046 Speaker 2: to be shit, and this is going to be an 636 00:33:42,086 --> 00:33:43,246 Speaker 2: emotional rollercoaster. 637 00:33:43,646 --> 00:33:46,406 Speaker 3: And you know, I'll get I'll get an out Louder 638 00:33:46,446 --> 00:33:48,486 Speaker 3: message me and go if. 639 00:33:48,366 --> 00:33:51,566 Speaker 2: You can't go tonight because you're too tired, we all 640 00:33:51,646 --> 00:33:54,806 Speaker 2: did that or like and just tiny things like that 641 00:33:55,046 --> 00:33:58,366 Speaker 2: that you just go, oh, that's a release, darling. It's 642 00:33:58,446 --> 00:34:01,846 Speaker 2: a real gift that women do to each other where 643 00:34:01,926 --> 00:34:05,246 Speaker 2: we can anticipate or we feel like what our greatest 644 00:34:05,286 --> 00:34:09,686 Speaker 2: shait was in any moment. And your forthcoming about that. 645 00:34:10,406 --> 00:34:13,326 Speaker 2: And I remember feeling when I had Matilda, I had 646 00:34:13,526 --> 00:34:16,286 Speaker 2: that whole thing of like not feeling the connection immediately 647 00:34:16,406 --> 00:34:19,486 Speaker 2: because there was so much else going on. Then you 648 00:34:19,645 --> 00:34:22,886 Speaker 2: had that with Margot, and I feel like because everyone 649 00:34:23,046 --> 00:34:26,286 Speaker 2: we knew had talked about that so openly, you therefore 650 00:34:26,446 --> 00:34:29,486 Speaker 2: didn't beat yourself up about it because you're like, well, yeah, 651 00:34:29,526 --> 00:34:30,885 Speaker 2: if I feel like I'm in a vomit and I've 652 00:34:30,886 --> 00:34:34,446 Speaker 2: had this like semi traumatic experience, I'm not going to 653 00:34:34,486 --> 00:34:37,526 Speaker 2: put pressure on myself to feel that this is magic 654 00:34:37,926 --> 00:34:39,725 Speaker 2: because it's it's not right now. 655 00:34:40,006 --> 00:34:42,206 Speaker 3: And the same thing with Neniku. 656 00:34:42,406 --> 00:34:45,405 Speaker 2: The friend who just tells you that in passing years 657 00:34:45,446 --> 00:34:48,486 Speaker 2: ago doesn't realize what a gift she gave you to 658 00:34:48,605 --> 00:34:51,046 Speaker 2: say they put my baby on my chest and I 659 00:34:51,565 --> 00:34:53,565 Speaker 2: looked at him and went, I feel sick. 660 00:34:53,645 --> 00:34:56,446 Speaker 3: Can you move it? Like? I need to just go 661 00:34:56,806 --> 00:34:59,245 Speaker 3: with the patterns of the day and not get stuck on. 662 00:34:59,246 --> 00:35:03,006 Speaker 2: A thought where I go like, I keep thinking, this 663 00:35:03,246 --> 00:35:05,366 Speaker 2: is probably the last time you're going to have little babies, 664 00:35:05,605 --> 00:35:07,285 Speaker 2: and you are never going to have that first week 665 00:35:07,406 --> 00:35:08,365 Speaker 2: back with them. 666 00:35:08,565 --> 00:35:09,725 Speaker 3: This is the first week you get. 667 00:35:10,286 --> 00:35:14,205 Speaker 2: It is not the beautiful Luna walks in meets the 668 00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:17,406 Speaker 2: two babies where a family, we're under one roof you 669 00:35:17,526 --> 00:35:20,165 Speaker 2: stare at them. There's no world in which you get that. 670 00:35:21,085 --> 00:35:25,885 Speaker 2: You've got to just keep taking steps forward and don't 671 00:35:25,886 --> 00:35:30,446 Speaker 2: get stuck on long term health or like what the 672 00:35:30,526 --> 00:35:32,765 Speaker 2: future looks like for these babies. Like it's such a 673 00:35:32,886 --> 00:35:36,765 Speaker 2: mental game that way. But when I am with them 674 00:35:36,966 --> 00:35:39,326 Speaker 2: in the hospital and they are like on my chest, 675 00:35:40,046 --> 00:35:45,765 Speaker 2: it is just utter peace, like just perfection, and I 676 00:35:45,966 --> 00:35:49,926 Speaker 2: just I'm holding out to get them home, to be 677 00:35:50,085 --> 00:35:54,446 Speaker 2: sleep deprived, to be covered in poo, to like do 678 00:35:54,725 --> 00:35:58,846 Speaker 2: all of those things, because this emptiness of an afternoon 679 00:35:59,685 --> 00:36:01,406 Speaker 2: that should be filled with babies where you can look 680 00:36:01,406 --> 00:36:05,446 Speaker 2: at them whenever you want, just feels so desperately unnatural. 681 00:36:05,846 --> 00:36:08,205 Speaker 1: One thing I have, let's to ask you to your 682 00:36:08,286 --> 00:36:11,125 Speaker 1: mum has been through this, right, this is what I 683 00:36:11,246 --> 00:36:13,446 Speaker 1: was gonna So is she being helpful and full of 684 00:36:13,565 --> 00:36:15,125 Speaker 1: knowledge or is she like, well, my. 685 00:36:15,246 --> 00:36:18,806 Speaker 2: Day she can't remember anything for one which I relate 686 00:36:19,446 --> 00:36:20,765 Speaker 2: her brain is scared. 687 00:36:20,926 --> 00:36:25,406 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hard relate. But so I was the exact 688 00:36:25,486 --> 00:36:26,526 Speaker 3: weight that Margo was. 689 00:36:27,046 --> 00:36:29,365 Speaker 1: But were you two in Nikku but full term? 690 00:36:29,766 --> 00:36:32,486 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's so I was growth restricted. Jesse was 691 00:36:32,486 --> 00:36:33,085 Speaker 3: twice my weight. 692 00:36:34,685 --> 00:36:35,925 Speaker 1: Will that's the whole thing. 693 00:36:36,766 --> 00:36:39,445 Speaker 3: But so I was in Nico. I think Jesse was fine. 694 00:36:39,725 --> 00:36:42,486 Speaker 1: So I was separated as little babies too. Yeah, is 695 00:36:42,565 --> 00:36:44,205 Speaker 1: there you know what you were just talking about, the 696 00:36:44,246 --> 00:36:46,446 Speaker 1: comfort of hearing the stories of people who've been there before. 697 00:36:46,886 --> 00:36:49,685 Speaker 1: Is there a comfort in the twin bond that you 698 00:36:49,886 --> 00:36:52,365 Speaker 1: know your babies are going to have even though they're 699 00:36:52,406 --> 00:36:53,685 Speaker 1: beginning is a little. 700 00:36:53,846 --> 00:36:56,486 Speaker 3: Yes, you know. And that's what Luca and I keep saying. 701 00:36:56,886 --> 00:36:58,526 Speaker 3: Imagine when we can put them on the. 702 00:36:58,526 --> 00:37:01,805 Speaker 2: Floor together and watch them, it's really special when you're 703 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:05,285 Speaker 2: holding both of them, that they will reach for each 704 00:37:05,326 --> 00:37:08,326 Speaker 2: other his hands and they'll turn towards each other like 705 00:37:08,806 --> 00:37:12,605 Speaker 2: because it's like, yeah, they've they've only known life with 706 00:37:12,766 --> 00:37:16,246 Speaker 2: each other in the womb, and so they're probably missing 707 00:37:16,326 --> 00:37:20,565 Speaker 2: the kids sometimes, Yeah, they're probably like where's the other one. 708 00:37:20,645 --> 00:37:22,966 Speaker 2: And when Margot went for her journey to the East, 709 00:37:23,605 --> 00:37:27,726 Speaker 2: we thought that Harry was like where's Margie, Yeah, where's 710 00:37:27,766 --> 00:37:28,166 Speaker 2: my friend. 711 00:37:28,446 --> 00:37:30,446 Speaker 1: I just want this to be noted that the fact 712 00:37:30,486 --> 00:37:36,006 Speaker 1: these babies really doesn't mean an extended maternity. Let act ruth. 713 00:37:36,366 --> 00:37:39,725 Speaker 1: She's saying absolutely not. The clock starts and win. 714 00:37:40,645 --> 00:37:43,246 Speaker 3: In fact, you'll be back earlier. That's how it works. 715 00:37:45,725 --> 00:37:49,125 Speaker 3: Massage baby clothes bullshit. Didn't get a day of that. 716 00:37:49,326 --> 00:37:53,526 Speaker 2: No, I just I got straight into having them and 717 00:37:54,085 --> 00:37:57,686 Speaker 2: all very intense, so no, I'm being extra efficient. 718 00:37:58,645 --> 00:38:00,886 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. 719 00:38:01,085 --> 00:38:04,046 Speaker 1: Like with the out louders, we love you and we 720 00:38:04,205 --> 00:38:07,166 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear you know updates on the twins 721 00:38:07,246 --> 00:38:08,085 Speaker 1: and on all of you. 722 00:38:08,766 --> 00:38:09,205 Speaker 3: Thank you. 723 00:38:10,685 --> 00:38:11,006 Speaker 1: Bye. 724 00:38:15,725 --> 00:38:18,925 Speaker 2: Mumma acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which 725 00:38:18,966 --> 00:38:20,326 Speaker 2: we have recorded this podcast. 726 00:38:21,926 --> 00:38:25,165 Speaker 1: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we 727 00:38:25,326 --> 00:38:28,605 Speaker 1: have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigul people of the 728 00:38:28,725 --> 00:38:29,446 Speaker 1: Eora Nation. 729 00:38:30,246 --> 00:38:33,006 Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present, 730 00:38:33,446 --> 00:38:36,725 Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and torres Rate 731 00:38:36,766 --> 00:38:37,645 Speaker 2: Islander cultures.