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Speaker 4: On today's show, we are talking about a vow renewal

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Speaker 4: that has sparks some thoughts in my brain. And also

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Speaker 4: Harry Styles's brand new sex toy. Which is it a

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Speaker 4: good thing or a bad thing or We've got some thoughts.

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Speaker 3: We've got some thoughts.

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Speaker 1: But first I just want to give a quick shout

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Speaker 1: out to the bravest one in the world right now,

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Speaker 1: a woman called Denise Welch. Now if you don't know

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Speaker 1: that name, first of all, she's a famous woe in

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Speaker 1: her own right. She's an actress, she's a talk show host,

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Speaker 1: but I think she's more well known now as the

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Speaker 1: mother of Mattie Healy, the lead singer of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy five. So Denise does a lot of talk show

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Speaker 1: guesting and hosting, and recently she went on and watched

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Speaker 1: What Happens Live with Andy Cohen and she got asked

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Speaker 1: a question that I feel like anyone else would have

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Speaker 1: shied away from, but instead she kind of went all in.

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Speaker 2: Miss Swift wrote a whole album about their relationship, Tortured

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Speaker 2: Poets Department. What was your reaction to that album?

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Speaker 5: Obviously on Pain of Death can I talk about that episode?

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Speaker 5: But not being her mother in law is a role

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Speaker 5: that I I am glad that I lost, not that

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Speaker 5: I have anything against her at all. It was just,

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Speaker 5: you know, it was tricky, but she listen, you're not

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Speaker 5: allowed to say anything, and then she writes a whole

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Speaker 5: album you know about it. Mattie has taken it.

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Speaker 2: All in completely good grace.

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Speaker 5: He's very happy with him, his amazing fiance, Gabriella Gabriete,

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Speaker 5: who is gorgeous, and so we've moved on.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I completely understand where she's coming from, because there

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Speaker 4: are certain stars who have fan bases that are so

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Speaker 4: all hands in that you cannot say a single word negative,

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Speaker 4: like on Pain of Death, like you will be crucified.

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Speaker 4: So what understand where she's coming from there. Unfortunately, what's

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Speaker 4: she's so glad to not be Taylor Swift ye mother

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Speaker 4: baity articles about how it makes it sound so much

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Speaker 1: It would have been so much worse if she hadn't

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Speaker 1: think she also just wanted to get like a little

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Speaker 1: not a dig in, but a little just comment on

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Speaker 1: the unfairness of it, because I feel like when Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift and Manny Heal you were together and how much

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Speaker 1: there were those photos of them that came out like

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Speaker 1: paparazzi shots and then the idea they were like mouthing

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Speaker 2: Taylor is, I think one of those people that loves

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Speaker 2: hard and loves very fully any relationship that she's been in,

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Speaker 2: and she's had criticisms about this, which I think sometimes

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Speaker 4: Sometimes when people do talk about her, all they get

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Speaker 4: anything negative to say about Taylor. I think she's like,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be involved in the drama of that,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be her mother in law.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more that I think Denise does want

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Speaker 1: But here's again, Manny Healin said a few things like

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Speaker 1: thing that Taylor Swif has ever done, is that she

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Speaker 1: was in that relationship with Joe Alwen for like over

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Speaker 4: Think about like Pete Davidsonain when he did that whole

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Speaker 4: I can say whatever she wants about May and I

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Speaker 4: think it's a really challenging thing, particularly when you're both

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Speaker 4: But Matti Heally is a significantly smaller star than Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 4: I don't think she was out of line here. I

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Speaker 1: It was the bit where she said like that's a race,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm lost, or like she said that's kind

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Speaker 1: how much she loves Gabriette, which is Maddie Healy's new fiance,

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Speaker 1: which I would say I love Gabriette as well, Like

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Speaker 1: was actually Denise that Let's slip. Did you see this

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Speaker 1: one happened? Denise Let's slip that they are engaged. She

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Speaker 3: So she's just a Gabriette fangirl.

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Speaker 2: But this is also the thing. It's the mother in

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Speaker 4: I mean the amount of things that I've seen about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she really has.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of funny because people think that Donna Kelcey

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Speaker 3: To, because there was a while there.

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Speaker 1: Every time Donna Kelsey went on a talk show, which

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Speaker 3: I don't have any memory of it. It was fine.

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Speaker 1: Just to sum this up, I don't feel bad at

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Speaker 1: all for Mattie Healy that he feels he couldn't express

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Speaker 2: He's fine.

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Speaker 3: Also, as soon as this.

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Speaker 1: things like, you know, Maddie wishes Taylor all the best,

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Speaker 1: Denise feels that her son, if it was real, someone

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Speaker 1: I don't feel bad for Mattie Healy, but I kind

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Speaker 4: I just want to finish this by saying that I

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Speaker 1: Clip that put it out into the world so that

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Speaker 4: So this past weekend, one of my favorite couples, g

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, someone else in the world called Kroschelle. You

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Speaker 1: No, so it's her middle name, I think, But it's

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Speaker 1: because her mother went into labor behind a shell service station.

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Speaker 1: This is a true story. I mean, I wasn't there,

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Speaker 1: but this is what Michelle says. And the man with

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Speaker 2: It's like my friend that was born in May and

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Speaker 1: It's not even close to being the same unless she

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Speaker 1: was born behind a McDonald's and a Sarah delivered her

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Speaker 4: So j Flip and Rochelle renewed their vowels in this

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Speaker 4: very over the top medieval themed wedding. Now, the two

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Speaker 2: It looked like a really fun party.

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Speaker 4: But it got me thinking about the curse of the

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Speaker 4: vowel renewal. So g Flip says, I think it's really

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Speaker 4: They said, I think it makes you stronger, looking your

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Speaker 3: So they're going to do this every year? That did

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Speaker 2: So they've already had four different ceremonies.

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Speaker 3: I mean, were the first few around their first wedding. R.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they've been married two years, so it'd be

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Speaker 4: two vowl renewals and then two I think probably around

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Speaker 4: when they initially got married. I understand what they're saying,

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Speaker 4: I really do. I appreciate the desire to share your

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Speaker 2: I love a curse by it beware. I was doing

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Speaker 2: some research on this. There were divorce attorneys who were

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Speaker 2: His brand new business venture which is not new music.

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Speaker 1: to him. He's had this lifestyle brand called Pleasing for

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Speaker 1: imp of a man like I don't think he's real.

434
00:19:10,064 --> 00:19:12,984
Speaker 1: He's like Leprecorn who broke free and accidentally.

435
00:19:12,544 --> 00:19:15,944
Speaker 3: Became a musician. That's why I just find this really funny.

436
00:19:16,064 --> 00:19:18,864
Speaker 1: Can I say he hasn't made the vibrator alone, because

437
00:19:18,984 --> 00:19:21,544
Speaker 1: there's been some people saying that he's dipping into an

438
00:19:21,544 --> 00:19:23,664
Speaker 1: area he doesn't know about and he should have got

439
00:19:23,664 --> 00:19:24,824
Speaker 1: a professional in. But he did.

440
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Speaker 4: He did get a professional in, so sex educator and

441
00:19:27,624 --> 00:19:32,344
Speaker 4: founder of Sex Positive Spectrum boutique Zoey Ligon. Yeah, so

442
00:19:32,664 --> 00:19:35,984
Speaker 4: look he's done this in go hoes and the vibrator

443
00:19:36,104 --> 00:19:38,304
Speaker 4: also comes with some lubricant.

444
00:19:38,704 --> 00:19:41,544
Speaker 1: Yes, And we should say Zoe's professional nickname is the

445
00:19:41,624 --> 00:19:43,704
Speaker 1: Dildo Dutchess, So I feel like we can trust her

446
00:19:43,784 --> 00:19:46,184
Speaker 1: because I feel like she's earned that nickname. We have

447
00:19:46,304 --> 00:19:48,224
Speaker 1: a few details about the vibrator. It's going to be

448
00:19:48,304 --> 00:19:51,024
Speaker 1: a double sided vibrator and in the words of the

449
00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:55,744
Speaker 1: Pleasing company, it's designed with exploration in mind, which is nice.

450
00:19:55,864 --> 00:19:59,264
Speaker 1: It's double ended. It's to encourage users to use like

451
00:19:59,384 --> 00:20:02,584
Speaker 1: the insertible bribe beta part. And then it comes with lube,

452
00:20:02,904 --> 00:20:05,584
Speaker 1: which comes in a sleek burgundy bottle. I don't know

453
00:20:05,624 --> 00:20:08,064
Speaker 1: why that's important to point out. I guess burgundy was

454
00:20:08,144 --> 00:20:09,784
Speaker 1: like the last big color of the summer and they're

455
00:20:09,784 --> 00:20:10,864
Speaker 1: trying to show that irrelevant.

456
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Speaker 2: You are a big Burgundy fan too.

457
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Speaker 3: I love Burkeerdy, so maybe I'll be super interested.

458
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Speaker 2: You know what, Laura, this would go perfectly with your wardrobe,

459
00:20:18,224 --> 00:20:18,624
Speaker 2: really would.

460
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something so sad? Pleasing ships to Australia,

461
00:20:21,504 --> 00:20:24,544
Speaker 1: but this particular vibrator at the moment is not shipping

462
00:20:24,584 --> 00:20:25,024
Speaker 1: to Australia.

463
00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:27,504
Speaker 2: Okay, can I just tell you something as well? Because

464
00:20:27,544 --> 00:20:30,224
Speaker 2: of the voltage. There's a voltage.

465
00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:33,704
Speaker 3: The sounds so important for people to know there is.

466
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Speaker 2: A voltage issue.

467
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Speaker 4: So a lot of the times when you have like

468
00:20:38,024 --> 00:20:41,224
Speaker 4: electrical products in Australia, the voltage doesn't quite work in

469
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Speaker 4: the US.

470
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the exact details are. I'm sure

471
00:20:43,744 --> 00:20:46,544
Speaker 2: someone will tell me. Okay, I'm going to describe it.

472
00:20:46,584 --> 00:20:48,224
Speaker 1: I feel like, if there's anything you want, like a

473
00:20:48,304 --> 00:20:52,104
Speaker 1: safety restriction around, it's the voltage of a vibrator because

474
00:20:52,104 --> 00:20:52,944
Speaker 1: it's not like a lamp.

475
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Speaker 4: You don't want this to be some man, Sir Jones

476
00:20:56,024 --> 00:20:58,584
Speaker 4: would say that thing will burn your flit off.

477
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like, yeah, again, we don't want

478
00:21:01,944 --> 00:21:04,104
Speaker 3: this is a bit of a naughty but fine at

479
00:21:04,104 --> 00:21:04,704
Speaker 3: the end of the show.

480
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Speaker 2: So it kind of looks like your classic.

481
00:21:08,984 --> 00:21:10,224
Speaker 3: Yeah, please describe it. Paint.

482
00:21:10,744 --> 00:21:13,264
Speaker 1: Paint is a word picture. I feel, well, again, here's

483
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Speaker 1: the thing I want to know. I'm not asking because

484
00:21:14,504 --> 00:21:16,184
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, how vibrates are hilarious, because they're not.

485
00:21:16,504 --> 00:21:18,544
Speaker 1: I'm more thinking like there's so many on the market,

486
00:21:18,984 --> 00:21:21,624
Speaker 1: and there's so many like different ones out there, Like

487
00:21:21,744 --> 00:21:24,224
Speaker 1: what is this man doing to his vibrator besides whacking

488
00:21:24,304 --> 00:21:24,864
Speaker 1: his name on it?

489
00:21:25,104 --> 00:21:26,504
Speaker 3: So look, I said, I took a couple.

490
00:21:26,304 --> 00:21:30,704
Speaker 2: Of girls in the office and I did office hr before.

491
00:21:30,544 --> 00:21:32,024
Speaker 3: You went around and ask people about vibrators.

492
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Speaker 2: So this is Mom and Maya.

493
00:21:33,624 --> 00:21:35,184
Speaker 3: We're right to talk abounch vibrators.

494
00:21:35,704 --> 00:21:39,144
Speaker 2: And it doesn't look like anything too sort of out there.

495
00:21:39,264 --> 00:21:42,384
Speaker 4: If you think about like your classic Hitachi vibrator, which

496
00:21:42,464 --> 00:21:43,544
Speaker 4: kind of los a microphone.

497
00:21:43,624 --> 00:21:46,344
Speaker 2: I would say, like a classic microphone. It kind of

498
00:21:46,424 --> 00:21:50,304
Speaker 2: looks like that. It looks nice, it looks compact.

499
00:21:50,944 --> 00:21:56,744
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say there's anything particularly like revolutionary about it.

500
00:21:57,544 --> 00:22:00,624
Speaker 4: Zoe says, I love this one because it's rumbling motions

501
00:22:00,624 --> 00:22:03,424
Speaker 4: are powerful and deep, yet it's compact enough and use

502
00:22:03,504 --> 00:22:07,264
Speaker 4: easily with a partner or alongside other toys.

503
00:22:07,984 --> 00:22:10,304
Speaker 2: Plus it's just dang cute.

504
00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:12,344
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm getting really read and I'm not

505
00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:15,664
Speaker 4: like a very I'm not like a like a big prude,

506
00:22:15,744 --> 00:22:17,784
Speaker 4: but I think z is just like going everywhere.

507
00:22:17,824 --> 00:22:20,064
Speaker 1: I'm getting all right, And again we're charging eighteen ninety

508
00:22:20,064 --> 00:22:23,104
Speaker 1: five to listen to the rest of this episode Lustered.

509
00:22:24,064 --> 00:22:27,384
Speaker 2: But I think that this guy knows his audience.

510
00:22:27,064 --> 00:22:30,024
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, or someone on his team has thought about.

511
00:22:29,824 --> 00:22:32,304
Speaker 2: This, yeah, and like you don't think about Harry's styles.

512
00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:35,104
Speaker 4: And I really do love the way that he has

513
00:22:35,264 --> 00:22:39,664
Speaker 4: kind of taken masculinity and shifted it. And you know,

514
00:22:39,904 --> 00:22:43,384
Speaker 4: when he did the whole shoot with the dresses and

515
00:22:43,424 --> 00:22:45,664
Speaker 4: things and people like, that's not a real moan, it's

516
00:22:45,704 --> 00:22:49,504
Speaker 4: like hyper masculine men and he just doesn't care. But

517
00:22:49,624 --> 00:22:51,824
Speaker 4: I feel like he knows his audience, he knows his women,

518
00:22:51,904 --> 00:22:54,664
Speaker 4: and he's not afraid to I don't know many other

519
00:22:54,784 --> 00:22:56,944
Speaker 4: men that would be like, I'm going to launch a

520
00:22:57,064 --> 00:23:00,024
Speaker 4: vibrators specifically for women. I mean, he could have launched

521
00:23:00,104 --> 00:23:04,744
Speaker 4: something for men, but to put at the forefront female

522
00:23:04,824 --> 00:23:10,304
Speaker 4: pleasure and femininity in that sense, I think really works

523
00:23:10,464 --> 00:23:13,904
Speaker 4: within his brand, Like he's not afraid to express a

524
00:23:13,984 --> 00:23:15,664
Speaker 4: different way of masculinity.

525
00:23:15,784 --> 00:23:19,304
Speaker 2: It's not this hyper I'm a big dude, Like I

526
00:23:19,384 --> 00:23:21,024
Speaker 2: could do it myself. I don't need to go or

527
00:23:21,144 --> 00:23:22,224
Speaker 2: use a vibrator and all.

528
00:23:22,264 --> 00:23:24,864
Speaker 4: You know, it's none of that, which I think can

529
00:23:24,944 --> 00:23:28,864
Speaker 4: sometimes that really hypo machismo vibe can be really toxic.

530
00:23:29,384 --> 00:23:32,424
Speaker 2: But he has really leant into this is look at

531
00:23:32,464 --> 00:23:33,704
Speaker 2: me dissecting a vibrator.

532
00:23:33,744 --> 00:23:36,384
Speaker 4: Oh I'm literally but I do think that, And that's

533
00:23:36,464 --> 00:23:39,824
Speaker 4: kind of why this particular story spoke to me, because

534
00:23:40,384 --> 00:23:41,064
Speaker 4: twenty years.

535
00:23:40,944 --> 00:23:43,224
Speaker 2: Ago you never would have seen that. You know, we

536
00:23:43,304 --> 00:23:45,784
Speaker 2: say this is not what a real man is.

537
00:23:46,104 --> 00:23:48,304
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can tell you the women in.

538
00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:51,664
Speaker 2: The office were like, bravo, Harry Styles.

539
00:23:51,904 --> 00:23:53,384
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's a clever thing for him to

540
00:23:53,464 --> 00:23:54,984
Speaker 3: touch his name too. I also feel like he did

541
00:23:55,064 --> 00:23:55,624
Speaker 3: the legwork.

542
00:23:55,704 --> 00:23:58,424
Speaker 1: Like any other male celebrity just putting out a vibrator,

543
00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:00,184
Speaker 1: it would be kind of seen as maybe like a

544
00:24:00,264 --> 00:24:02,384
Speaker 1: bit cheesy, a bit of a money grab, But I

545
00:24:02,424 --> 00:24:04,584
Speaker 1: think Harry Styles has done the legwork with like even

546
00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:07,144
Speaker 1: like everything he's about, like watermelon sugar and like the

547
00:24:07,264 --> 00:24:09,304
Speaker 1: mere being behind that song and the importance to him.

548
00:24:09,304 --> 00:24:11,024
Speaker 3: But also it's part of his age persona.

549
00:24:11,144 --> 00:24:13,304
Speaker 1: Like out of all the musicians who have like toured

550
00:24:13,344 --> 00:24:16,224
Speaker 1: those big stadium shows recently, he's the one who does

551
00:24:16,264 --> 00:24:18,584
Speaker 1: the most crowd work, like it's built into his show,

552
00:24:18,904 --> 00:24:21,624
Speaker 1: and so much of that is him, like reading signs

553
00:24:21,664 --> 00:24:23,624
Speaker 1: and like doing a little eyebrow twitch or making like

554
00:24:23,704 --> 00:24:25,744
Speaker 1: little jokes and like kind of playing with all that

555
00:24:25,824 --> 00:24:28,344
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So a vibrator is like a little

556
00:24:28,584 --> 00:24:30,824
Speaker 1: non to his audience that go to see him just

557
00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:31,664
Speaker 1: for the crowd work.

558
00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:34,424
Speaker 2: I would much rather him do that than like a

559
00:24:34,784 --> 00:24:37,584
Speaker 2: cast of his anatomy and selling that.

560
00:24:38,024 --> 00:24:39,784
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't even think of that. I thought

561
00:24:39,824 --> 00:24:41,024
Speaker 3: that would have been a better seller.

562
00:24:41,184 --> 00:24:41,264
Speaker 5: Right.

563
00:24:41,984 --> 00:24:44,384
Speaker 3: Likely porn starles and stuff used to do that and

564
00:24:44,464 --> 00:24:44,744
Speaker 3: still do.

565
00:24:45,144 --> 00:24:46,504
Speaker 1: I'm not sure a lot what the market is like,

566
00:24:46,544 --> 00:24:47,544
Speaker 1: but I know that used to be a thing that

567
00:24:47,584 --> 00:24:50,104
Speaker 1: different vibrators would be from different people. This is the

568
00:24:50,104 --> 00:24:54,544
Speaker 1: first time I really thought about like sex toy, market chair, yeah,

569
00:24:54,664 --> 00:24:57,504
Speaker 1: and like overexposure in saturation. But I guess it's it's

570
00:24:57,504 --> 00:24:59,984
Speaker 1: an interesting topic. But that used to be big thing,

571
00:25:00,024 --> 00:25:01,464
Speaker 1: and I wonder if someone on his team was like,

572
00:25:01,584 --> 00:25:02,464
Speaker 1: let's just pull.

573
00:25:02,304 --> 00:25:03,464
Speaker 3: That back a little bit.

574
00:25:03,544 --> 00:25:04,744
Speaker 2: Lad he would do anything like that.

575
00:25:05,664 --> 00:25:07,264
Speaker 1: He loves to kind of play in that space, I

576
00:25:07,304 --> 00:25:09,344
Speaker 1: think releasing the sex toy. And also remember when he

577
00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:11,984
Speaker 1: was doing the sleep meta citations and Harry Styles could

578
00:25:11,984 --> 00:25:14,984
Speaker 1: talk you to sleep? That went gangbusters. And again, I

579
00:25:15,064 --> 00:25:16,504
Speaker 1: know a lot of people use sleep apps. What was

580
00:25:16,504 --> 00:25:18,224
Speaker 1: the idea that Harry Styles would talk.

581
00:25:18,104 --> 00:25:20,304
Speaker 3: You to sleep? I have friends who, like years on

582
00:25:20,464 --> 00:25:22,944
Speaker 3: now can only fall asleep to the sound of Harry Styles.

583
00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:26,184
Speaker 2: And now they can fall asleep to Harry Styles in.

584
00:25:26,264 --> 00:25:29,304
Speaker 1: A very different way, or wake up to Harry Styles,

585
00:25:29,384 --> 00:25:31,704
Speaker 1: or take a lunch break with Harry Styles. Just it

586
00:25:31,784 --> 00:25:34,304
Speaker 1: writes himself. I should say too, he's donating some of

587
00:25:34,344 --> 00:25:36,744
Speaker 1: the proceeds to I think it's planned parents.

588
00:25:36,904 --> 00:25:39,104
Speaker 2: Planned parenthood, and that is actually very so He's done

589
00:25:39,104 --> 00:25:39,704
Speaker 2: the work into this.

590
00:25:39,824 --> 00:25:42,384
Speaker 3: Now we feel about obviously, no It's not like he's.

591
00:25:42,384 --> 00:25:46,664
Speaker 2: Just whipped out something and gone chicks dig this will.

592
00:25:46,864 --> 00:25:50,744
Speaker 4: He's worked with a sex therapist, he's donating portions to

593
00:25:51,024 --> 00:25:52,624
Speaker 4: Planned Parenthood.

594
00:25:52,224 --> 00:25:54,544
Speaker 1: And apparently the next thing they're going to do is condoms,

595
00:25:54,544 --> 00:25:57,064
Speaker 1: which are going to have also a portion of the money.

596
00:25:57,584 --> 00:25:58,904
Speaker 1: It's what you're trying to be, like, real serious, to

597
00:25:58,984 --> 00:26:00,544
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's so nice the charity element. But

598
00:26:00,664 --> 00:26:03,104
Speaker 1: also now he's just gone the full sex toy realm.

599
00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:04,424
Speaker 3: But look, I love that for him.

600
00:26:04,784 --> 00:26:07,384
Speaker 2: I actually just think he's tapped into his brand, he's

601
00:26:07,424 --> 00:26:08,744
Speaker 2: tapped into his audience.

602
00:26:09,424 --> 00:26:13,064
Speaker 1: Bravos And again we can't get in Australia, so if

603
00:26:13,104 --> 00:26:16,184
Speaker 1: anywhere international listeners, you don't have to give us a

604
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Speaker 1: full detail.

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00:26:16,744 --> 00:26:18,224
Speaker 3: You can just give us a blurry water color. You

606
00:26:18,224 --> 00:26:19,344
Speaker 3: can just send us the thumbs up.

607
00:26:19,384 --> 00:26:22,504
Speaker 4: Chipping options planned in the near future. You just might

608
00:26:22,704 --> 00:26:24,664
Speaker 4: need a correct converter.

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00:26:25,504 --> 00:26:27,464
Speaker 1: Well yeah, again something to think about, but if anyone

610
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Speaker 1: tries it, let us know. Well, thank you so much

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