1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,664 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,704 --> 00:00:29,504 Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,584 --> 00:00:32,264 Speaker 1: Brodney and I'm because you Luki and coming up on 7 00:00:32,264 --> 00:00:35,024 Speaker 1: the show today, Katie Holmes has been in the news. 8 00:00:35,064 --> 00:00:37,504 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen it with a rogue Instagram post. 9 00:00:37,544 --> 00:00:40,264 Speaker 1: There is so much this story. We've fact checked it, 10 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:43,104 Speaker 1: and there's also a much darker story happening behind the 11 00:00:43,104 --> 00:00:45,664 Speaker 1: scenes that we're going to get into. Plus, one of 12 00:00:45,664 --> 00:00:47,984 Speaker 1: our very favorite TV shows, or at least my current 13 00:00:48,024 --> 00:00:52,264 Speaker 1: favorite TV show is in the headlines for a huge plothole. 14 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:53,264 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that. 15 00:00:53,944 --> 00:00:58,904 Speaker 3: But first, Laura, there has been a very very exciting 16 00:00:59,424 --> 00:01:02,544 Speaker 3: pop up in New York City of one of the 17 00:01:02,584 --> 00:01:04,304 Speaker 3: world's biggest bands. 18 00:01:05,264 --> 00:01:06,424 Speaker 2: Can you guess what it is? 19 00:01:06,544 --> 00:01:08,424 Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm not gonna love the answer 20 00:01:08,464 --> 00:01:08,744 Speaker 1: to this. 21 00:01:08,784 --> 00:01:09,824 Speaker 2: It's a wiggle. 22 00:01:11,264 --> 00:01:13,464 Speaker 1: Can I just say I'm not trying to shade you 23 00:01:13,584 --> 00:01:15,584 Speaker 1: or for grown ups adults who were there, but if 24 00:01:15,624 --> 00:01:17,424 Speaker 1: I was in New York for a pop up show, 25 00:01:17,504 --> 00:01:20,384 Speaker 1: that would not be my first choice of where I 26 00:01:20,384 --> 00:01:21,784 Speaker 1: would take myself for the night. 27 00:01:21,984 --> 00:01:26,264 Speaker 3: Honestly, it went off. So the Wiggles are on a 28 00:01:26,344 --> 00:01:29,304 Speaker 3: tour at the moment. They're in the US, and this 29 00:01:29,424 --> 00:01:32,464 Speaker 3: week they were in New York and they stopped at 30 00:01:32,544 --> 00:01:35,584 Speaker 3: Old Mates Pub, which is the Hamish andy pub that 31 00:01:35,624 --> 00:01:40,744 Speaker 3: they've just set up, and they basically did an impromptu 32 00:01:41,264 --> 00:01:45,544 Speaker 3: show at Old Mates and it was so funny. I've 33 00:01:45,584 --> 00:01:47,104 Speaker 3: been like deep diving into. 34 00:01:46,904 --> 00:01:49,264 Speaker 2: All of these clips because fully. 35 00:01:48,984 --> 00:01:53,424 Speaker 3: Grown adults are going mental, Like people are singing along 36 00:01:53,464 --> 00:02:04,664 Speaker 3: to fruit salad, yummy, yummy. 37 00:02:10,584 --> 00:02:13,304 Speaker 1: I think the Wiggles are so wildly successful that, like, 38 00:02:13,384 --> 00:02:15,944 Speaker 1: even though I'm not a huge Wiggles fan, I was 39 00:02:15,944 --> 00:02:18,584 Speaker 1: a bit too old for when they first came out, 40 00:02:18,624 --> 00:02:20,264 Speaker 1: And I also don't have kids, and none of my 41 00:02:20,344 --> 00:02:23,504 Speaker 1: nieces and nephews like super super into them. But there's 42 00:02:23,544 --> 00:02:25,824 Speaker 1: so many songs of theirs that a like permeated culture, 43 00:02:25,864 --> 00:02:27,424 Speaker 1: I guess. Also, the thing is like a lot of 44 00:02:27,464 --> 00:02:29,864 Speaker 1: those adults who are obsessed with the Wiggles and dance 45 00:02:29,944 --> 00:02:32,944 Speaker 1: to us, which like their original tunes, their old school stuff, 46 00:02:33,304 --> 00:02:35,464 Speaker 1: they're adults now, right, Like how long have they been around? 47 00:02:35,624 --> 00:02:39,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, They've been around since the probably early nineties. The 48 00:02:39,504 --> 00:02:42,184 Speaker 3: latest thing is it's kind of become a little bit 49 00:02:42,304 --> 00:02:45,584 Speaker 3: of this first Traps for adults because there's been all 50 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:48,224 Speaker 3: these new Wiggles that have come in. The biggest thirst 51 00:02:48,264 --> 00:02:49,664 Speaker 3: trap is the new Purple Wiggles. 52 00:02:49,744 --> 00:02:51,984 Speaker 2: John Pierce, who was in Justice Crew. 53 00:02:52,344 --> 00:02:54,024 Speaker 1: I have not seen this man? Is he hot? 54 00:02:54,104 --> 00:02:55,024 Speaker 2: He's gorgeous? 55 00:02:55,064 --> 00:02:58,024 Speaker 3: Is this so John Pierce has become kind of this 56 00:02:58,904 --> 00:03:00,104 Speaker 3: millennial first trap. 57 00:03:00,344 --> 00:03:03,024 Speaker 1: Yes, on TikTok, I can see he's an objectively hot man. 58 00:03:03,144 --> 00:03:05,864 Speaker 1: He's a very hot man who can dance extra hot. 59 00:03:05,944 --> 00:03:10,304 Speaker 3: And then there's also the latest sort of viral out 60 00:03:10,504 --> 00:03:13,424 Speaker 3: break star from the Wiggles is the Tree of Wisdom. 61 00:03:13,864 --> 00:03:14,944 Speaker 2: Have you seen these clips? 62 00:03:14,984 --> 00:03:15,104 Speaker 1: No? 63 00:03:15,584 --> 00:03:16,864 Speaker 2: Okay? So there is. 64 00:03:18,544 --> 00:03:20,504 Speaker 3: Funnily enough, it's like, if you want to talk about 65 00:03:20,584 --> 00:03:22,944 Speaker 3: nepo babies, the Wiggles is the biggest nepo. 66 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:24,264 Speaker 2: Baby really in the world. 67 00:03:24,864 --> 00:03:28,104 Speaker 3: So Dominic Field, who is the Tree of Wisdom, is 68 00:03:28,144 --> 00:03:31,144 Speaker 3: actually Anthony Field, who's the original Blue Wiggle. 69 00:03:31,304 --> 00:03:32,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his nephew. 70 00:03:33,424 --> 00:03:36,504 Speaker 3: So he plays the Tree of Wisdom and he just 71 00:03:36,544 --> 00:03:39,704 Speaker 3: basically goes absolutely ballistic doing this dance. 72 00:03:40,424 --> 00:03:42,384 Speaker 1: Is the Tree of Wisdom. I'm sure this is what 73 00:03:42,504 --> 00:03:43,904 Speaker 1: was gonna signed up for is the tree of was 74 00:03:44,064 --> 00:03:45,224 Speaker 1: like part of the Wiggles Shower is. 75 00:03:45,264 --> 00:03:47,104 Speaker 2: Like a okay, so it's like one of the songs. 76 00:03:47,184 --> 00:03:48,824 Speaker 2: Oh but the murder. 77 00:03:50,344 --> 00:03:52,864 Speaker 1: Or play the cl No, don't play the clip keep 78 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:55,064 Speaker 1: because a version in okay. 79 00:03:54,744 --> 00:03:56,944 Speaker 3: Okay, But anyway, I just wanted to bring it up 80 00:03:56,984 --> 00:04:00,024 Speaker 3: because it brought up so much nostalgia for me, and 81 00:04:00,384 --> 00:04:05,944 Speaker 3: the whole pub is going ballistic, fully grown adults singing 82 00:04:06,664 --> 00:04:09,304 Speaker 3: the Wiggles, and I feel like I would definitely if 83 00:04:09,344 --> 00:04:11,944 Speaker 3: I was in New York, would one hundred percent go 84 00:04:11,984 --> 00:04:14,544 Speaker 3: to a Wiggles adults only Wiggles concert. 85 00:04:14,704 --> 00:04:17,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, adults only is so important that is becoming a thing. 86 00:04:17,704 --> 00:04:20,584 Speaker 1: Like there are so many now like pubs and clubs 87 00:04:20,584 --> 00:04:23,744 Speaker 1: that do Disney sing along nights for adults who grew 88 00:04:23,784 --> 00:04:26,224 Speaker 1: up with Disney songs and that's their childhood, the same 89 00:04:26,224 --> 00:04:28,624 Speaker 1: way I'm sure the Wiggles songs are these Hipple's childhood, 90 00:04:28,744 --> 00:04:30,224 Speaker 1: and so you want to get out there and like 91 00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:33,304 Speaker 1: just scream at the top of your lungs while getting plasted, 92 00:04:33,344 --> 00:04:35,824 Speaker 1: which you couldn't do as a child, hopefully. But there's 93 00:04:35,824 --> 00:04:37,824 Speaker 1: also like a lot of people from I guess like 94 00:04:37,904 --> 00:04:40,384 Speaker 1: my childhood of transitioned to that as well. Like, I 95 00:04:40,384 --> 00:04:41,824 Speaker 1: don't know if if this was a big thing for you, 96 00:04:41,904 --> 00:04:44,704 Speaker 1: But Peter Kuhm was an Australian musician who was really 97 00:04:44,784 --> 00:04:46,384 Speaker 1: huge when I was a kid and kind of had 98 00:04:46,424 --> 00:04:48,864 Speaker 1: like a similar vibe to the Wiggles. Came way before 99 00:04:48,904 --> 00:04:51,264 Speaker 1: the Wiggles, and it was only a few years ago 100 00:04:51,304 --> 00:04:54,264 Speaker 1: that he started playing adults only shows and all the 101 00:04:54,344 --> 00:04:56,984 Speaker 1: kids who had grown up with him through the nineties 102 00:04:56,984 --> 00:04:59,104 Speaker 1: and like his songs were like the soundtrack to like 103 00:04:59,144 --> 00:05:02,424 Speaker 1: their preschool year one birthdays went and like all these 104 00:05:02,424 --> 00:05:05,464 Speaker 1: adults watched his shows. Well, I mean it's the same thing. 105 00:05:05,504 --> 00:05:05,784 Speaker 1: I think. 106 00:05:05,904 --> 00:05:08,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think nostalgia is such a huge thing for people. 107 00:05:08,464 --> 00:05:10,824 Speaker 3: But one of the things that I love about some. 108 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:11,664 Speaker 2: Of the Wiggles law. 109 00:05:11,744 --> 00:05:13,984 Speaker 3: So Anthony Field, who is like the creative of the Wiggles, 110 00:05:14,024 --> 00:05:16,384 Speaker 3: the original Blue Wiggle. Yeah, so the reason that they 111 00:05:16,464 --> 00:05:19,584 Speaker 3: wear skivvys is because Anthony Field has a ton of tattoos, 112 00:05:20,504 --> 00:05:23,064 Speaker 3: so they wear the skivvies to cover up all the tattoos. 113 00:05:23,104 --> 00:05:25,024 Speaker 3: So John Pierce, who is the new Purple Wiggle, He's 114 00:05:25,064 --> 00:05:27,224 Speaker 3: got a bunch of tattoos too, which is why people 115 00:05:27,264 --> 00:05:29,744 Speaker 3: thirst over it because the costumes are not sexy. No, 116 00:05:30,024 --> 00:05:32,344 Speaker 3: but when thank god, but when they see them like 117 00:05:32,504 --> 00:05:36,824 Speaker 3: him shirtless or dancing, it's like, oh my god. 118 00:05:36,824 --> 00:05:38,464 Speaker 1: I don't know if you see this when you go 119 00:05:38,544 --> 00:05:40,784 Speaker 1: to events, but like at all the big premieres and 120 00:05:40,824 --> 00:05:43,424 Speaker 1: events in Sydney, there's always a whole bunch of the 121 00:05:43,424 --> 00:05:46,064 Speaker 1: Wiggles there, like they are at everything. And sometimes they'll 122 00:05:46,104 --> 00:05:48,664 Speaker 1: do the red carpet in their like Wiggles outfits and 123 00:05:48,704 --> 00:05:51,144 Speaker 1: then they'll come back in like their you know, glam 124 00:05:51,264 --> 00:05:53,864 Speaker 1: attire and do like the red carpet again, or they 125 00:05:53,944 --> 00:05:55,784 Speaker 1: come into the party and stuff, and it's always so 126 00:05:55,904 --> 00:05:58,104 Speaker 1: weird looking across a room and seeing all these like 127 00:05:58,424 --> 00:06:02,144 Speaker 1: sexily dressed Wiggles people at an event, and I'm always 128 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:04,544 Speaker 1: weirdly seated next to them. And I'm just going to say, 129 00:06:04,584 --> 00:06:06,864 Speaker 1: there's one in particular who makes out with their partner 130 00:06:06,904 --> 00:06:09,144 Speaker 1: a lot right next to me, but they're very cute together. 131 00:06:09,264 --> 00:06:09,704 Speaker 2: Well that's it. 132 00:06:09,784 --> 00:06:10,824 Speaker 1: That's the night out. 133 00:06:10,864 --> 00:06:14,024 Speaker 3: The Wiggles is like a really it's weirdly incestuous, like 134 00:06:14,064 --> 00:06:17,984 Speaker 3: everyone's related to everyone, everyone's like married to someone in 135 00:06:18,024 --> 00:06:20,904 Speaker 3: the crew. Like it's a very seems like a very 136 00:06:21,104 --> 00:06:23,864 Speaker 3: like tight knit environment. Anyway, I wanted to bring it up. 137 00:06:23,944 --> 00:06:24,624 Speaker 1: No, I love that. 138 00:06:24,984 --> 00:06:28,384 Speaker 3: Go and have a look at the TikTok videos of 139 00:06:28,704 --> 00:06:29,944 Speaker 3: this in Sydney. 140 00:06:29,944 --> 00:06:32,424 Speaker 1: Would you go without your kids? Oh? My god, what's 141 00:06:32,424 --> 00:06:33,384 Speaker 1: your favorite Wiggles song? 142 00:06:33,664 --> 00:06:33,824 Speaker 3: Oh? 143 00:06:33,824 --> 00:06:35,824 Speaker 2: That's your I mean, Big Red Car is just a 144 00:06:35,864 --> 00:06:36,984 Speaker 2: class what a classic? 145 00:06:36,984 --> 00:06:37,184 Speaker 1: Bag? 146 00:06:37,384 --> 00:06:40,864 Speaker 2: Like classic, just a banger? Yeah, chugger, chugger. 147 00:06:41,264 --> 00:06:42,784 Speaker 1: I just imagine you're on the dance floor with a 148 00:06:42,824 --> 00:06:44,424 Speaker 1: drink in your hand, just being like Big. 149 00:06:44,184 --> 00:06:48,104 Speaker 3: Red Car, a big red girl, like you know, you 150 00:06:48,104 --> 00:06:51,384 Speaker 3: can't go past the classics like yeah, fruit salad, yummy, yummy, 151 00:06:52,024 --> 00:06:53,864 Speaker 3: Big Red Car just classic. 152 00:06:54,104 --> 00:06:55,664 Speaker 1: I love it. And again I think this is exactly 153 00:06:55,744 --> 00:07:00,104 Speaker 1: the content Auriston's tuned in for. Okay, and now we 154 00:07:00,184 --> 00:07:03,064 Speaker 1: must move on from sexy child entertainers to a very 155 00:07:03,064 --> 00:07:06,064 Speaker 1: important breaking news story that is dominating headlines across the 156 00:07:06,064 --> 00:07:08,704 Speaker 1: world as we speak. And that is a plot hole 157 00:07:08,824 --> 00:07:12,264 Speaker 1: that appeared in and just like that, so huge disclaimer 158 00:07:12,504 --> 00:07:13,464 Speaker 1: that I'm a big. 159 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:14,744 Speaker 2: And just like that fan as am. I. 160 00:07:15,104 --> 00:07:17,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand people who hate what Obviously, I 161 00:07:17,624 --> 00:07:19,664 Speaker 1: have critiques and I will bring them up when we 162 00:07:19,704 --> 00:07:23,544 Speaker 1: do a brilliant, honest review of this season, but overall, 163 00:07:23,664 --> 00:07:25,984 Speaker 1: I've watched every episode of each new season. I like 164 00:07:26,024 --> 00:07:28,424 Speaker 1: comfort watch throughout the week, so like a new episode 165 00:07:28,424 --> 00:07:31,064 Speaker 1: comes up, I watch it many times. So I do 166 00:07:31,144 --> 00:07:34,864 Speaker 1: want to say that I noticed this mistake immediately when 167 00:07:34,904 --> 00:07:39,184 Speaker 1: it aired recently, just because every plot of the New 168 00:07:39,264 --> 00:07:41,784 Speaker 1: Sex and the City spinoff series is burnt so deeply 169 00:07:41,824 --> 00:07:45,024 Speaker 1: into my brain. So season three of them, just like 170 00:07:45,064 --> 00:07:47,744 Speaker 1: that is airing right now. Episode six came out recently. 171 00:07:48,184 --> 00:07:51,984 Speaker 1: It was a very emotional episode because Lisa Todd Wexley, 172 00:07:52,064 --> 00:07:55,424 Speaker 1: played by the amazing Nicole Ari Parker, had a huge 173 00:07:55,424 --> 00:07:58,504 Speaker 1: storyline where her father, who she was very close to, 174 00:07:59,024 --> 00:08:01,664 Speaker 1: very sadly passed away. Her father had been in a 175 00:08:01,704 --> 00:08:04,664 Speaker 1: few episodes leading up to his death throughout season two, 176 00:08:05,144 --> 00:08:07,704 Speaker 1: and he was played by Billy D Williams, who is 177 00:08:07,744 --> 00:08:11,784 Speaker 1: a really iconic star, most notably known for star very sad, 178 00:08:11,984 --> 00:08:16,024 Speaker 1: very upsetting a beautiful storyline. However, if you're a fan 179 00:08:16,024 --> 00:08:18,224 Speaker 1: of a show, you would know that this is not 180 00:08:18,264 --> 00:08:22,104 Speaker 1: the first time that Lisa Todd Wesley's father has died, 181 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:25,904 Speaker 1: because in season one, while when she was consoling Charlotte 182 00:08:25,944 --> 00:08:28,864 Speaker 1: about Bigg's death, she said this, I'm just. 183 00:08:28,824 --> 00:08:31,024 Speaker 3: A mess I could barely keep it together in front 184 00:08:31,024 --> 00:08:31,504 Speaker 3: of the girls. 185 00:08:31,544 --> 00:08:31,904 Speaker 1: Just now. 186 00:08:32,024 --> 00:08:33,944 Speaker 2: I was the exact same way when I lost my 187 00:08:34,024 --> 00:08:34,824 Speaker 2: dad last year. 188 00:08:35,184 --> 00:08:37,544 Speaker 3: I could see my rings literally shaking on my hands 189 00:08:37,544 --> 00:08:39,864 Speaker 3: while I was trying to be so strong for them. 190 00:08:40,344 --> 00:08:45,744 Speaker 1: It's hard, oh dear, devastating. However, then they brought his 191 00:08:45,864 --> 00:08:48,704 Speaker 1: character back, which people picked up at the time when 192 00:08:48,904 --> 00:08:50,904 Speaker 1: her father was introduced in season two and he came 193 00:08:50,984 --> 00:08:53,544 Speaker 1: to the big anniversary party that she and her husband 194 00:08:53,544 --> 00:08:56,384 Speaker 1: Herbert through. But then it was even more highlighted in 195 00:08:56,424 --> 00:09:00,864 Speaker 1: season six recently aired because the whole episode was dedicated 196 00:09:00,904 --> 00:09:04,224 Speaker 1: to his funeral, and we had this moment where Lisa 197 00:09:04,304 --> 00:09:06,984 Speaker 1: finds out about her father's death. My father died. 198 00:09:07,664 --> 00:09:11,784 Speaker 3: Oh my god, when this afternoon. 199 00:09:13,024 --> 00:09:15,384 Speaker 2: He had a stroke A lawyer. 200 00:09:15,584 --> 00:09:17,784 Speaker 1: So they've essentially killed him twice. 201 00:09:18,544 --> 00:09:21,464 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I kind of I'm giving them the 202 00:09:21,504 --> 00:09:25,064 Speaker 3: benefit of doubt here because obviously season one they're kind 203 00:09:25,064 --> 00:09:26,904 Speaker 3: of finding their footing. 204 00:09:27,384 --> 00:09:28,384 Speaker 2: It's not great. 205 00:09:29,064 --> 00:09:32,664 Speaker 3: It's definitely a glaring plot hole, yes, and people were 206 00:09:32,704 --> 00:09:33,704 Speaker 3: not happy about it. 207 00:09:34,184 --> 00:09:37,064 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. It's just season one was not 208 00:09:37,104 --> 00:09:39,904 Speaker 1: that long ago. But also, this is your world, your characters, 209 00:09:39,984 --> 00:09:42,824 Speaker 1: like you should remember a plot point like that, and 210 00:09:42,864 --> 00:09:45,064 Speaker 1: not that it was a huge plot point for Lisa 211 00:09:45,104 --> 00:09:47,704 Speaker 1: Todd Wexley, and not that it was a huge storyline, 212 00:09:47,784 --> 00:09:50,344 Speaker 1: but it was a big part of the introduction of 213 00:09:50,384 --> 00:09:53,504 Speaker 1: her character because this revelation that her father had died 214 00:09:53,504 --> 00:09:55,744 Speaker 1: and she had to sort of comfort her kids was 215 00:09:55,864 --> 00:09:58,104 Speaker 1: one of the first introductions we had to her character 216 00:09:58,144 --> 00:10:00,424 Speaker 1: in the early seasons, when we're still getting to know her, 217 00:10:00,704 --> 00:10:03,464 Speaker 1: we're still like establishing like her backstory, so you're looking 218 00:10:03,504 --> 00:10:05,504 Speaker 1: for all these little bits of information. It's one of 219 00:10:05,544 --> 00:10:08,224 Speaker 1: the first times we see this emotion between her and Charlotte, 220 00:10:08,184 --> 00:10:11,064 Speaker 1: and their relationship has become so big. So it was 221 00:10:11,184 --> 00:10:13,864 Speaker 1: just such a glaring error to then not only bring 222 00:10:13,864 --> 00:10:15,944 Speaker 1: her father back from the dead and have him be 223 00:10:15,984 --> 00:10:17,624 Speaker 1: part of the story and have him be a character 224 00:10:17,664 --> 00:10:20,864 Speaker 1: on screen, but then also kill him again and just 225 00:10:20,944 --> 00:10:24,024 Speaker 1: remind people of what had happened. So this blew up. 226 00:10:24,264 --> 00:10:26,944 Speaker 1: Some of their responses were really funny. People were just like, 227 00:10:27,304 --> 00:10:29,144 Speaker 1: you know, death doesn't exist, and then just like that 228 00:10:29,264 --> 00:10:31,504 Speaker 1: universe people liked to hell with it, bring back big 229 00:10:31,584 --> 00:10:34,984 Speaker 1: nothing matters anymore. I liked the chat JPT yeah and 230 00:10:34,984 --> 00:10:38,064 Speaker 1: being like these episodes written by CHATDPD so that was 231 00:10:38,104 --> 00:10:41,264 Speaker 1: all happening. And then the writing team of and Just 232 00:10:41,384 --> 00:10:43,904 Speaker 1: Like That were asked to comment, and they released a 233 00:10:43,904 --> 00:10:46,744 Speaker 1: statement to a few different publications, including The Hollywood Reporter 234 00:10:46,784 --> 00:10:49,264 Speaker 1: where I got this information, and they said, and I 235 00:10:49,264 --> 00:10:51,344 Speaker 1: don't know if this is better or worse. I actually 236 00:10:51,344 --> 00:10:52,904 Speaker 1: think it might have just been better to own it. 237 00:10:53,024 --> 00:10:56,344 Speaker 1: But instead of owning it, they said, when Lisa Todd 238 00:10:56,384 --> 00:10:59,144 Speaker 1: Wexley said in that first season that her father had died, 239 00:10:59,464 --> 00:11:01,424 Speaker 1: she was referring to her stepfather. 240 00:11:01,584 --> 00:11:02,944 Speaker 2: Also, they doubled down. 241 00:11:03,224 --> 00:11:05,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like, no, no, no, we have not made 242 00:11:05,104 --> 00:11:07,944 Speaker 1: a mistake. She was talking about her stepfather that she 243 00:11:08,024 --> 00:11:09,904 Speaker 1: was very close with, and now she's talking about her 244 00:11:09,904 --> 00:11:12,624 Speaker 1: biology father and they had two different storylines. And to that, 245 00:11:12,704 --> 00:11:16,104 Speaker 1: I say, great, wonderful. But in the first season she 246 00:11:16,264 --> 00:11:20,344 Speaker 1: doesn't say my stepfather, and maybe she thought of him 247 00:11:20,384 --> 00:11:22,144 Speaker 1: as a father. But the thing is, we don't know 248 00:11:22,184 --> 00:11:25,184 Speaker 1: anything else about this woman's backstory. Yeah, I feel like 249 00:11:25,224 --> 00:11:26,104 Speaker 1: it hard to believe. 250 00:11:26,184 --> 00:11:28,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they should have just owned it. 251 00:11:28,344 --> 00:11:28,584 Speaker 1: Yeah. 252 00:11:28,664 --> 00:11:32,344 Speaker 3: I just been like, whoopsies, because this isn't the first 253 00:11:32,384 --> 00:11:35,744 Speaker 3: time that these sorts of mistakes have been made in 254 00:11:35,784 --> 00:11:36,664 Speaker 3: television and movies. 255 00:11:36,664 --> 00:11:37,384 Speaker 1: No, it happens. 256 00:11:37,504 --> 00:11:41,624 Speaker 3: I mean, there are whole articles dedicated to the gaffes 257 00:11:41,904 --> 00:11:45,664 Speaker 3: in TV and movies. So probably one of the most 258 00:11:45,704 --> 00:11:49,344 Speaker 3: famous recent ones is the Starbucks coffee cup in Game 259 00:11:49,384 --> 00:11:53,384 Speaker 3: of Thrones that like people were livid about this. It 260 00:11:53,464 --> 00:11:56,784 Speaker 3: became like this whole mean thing, Like people were all 261 00:11:56,784 --> 00:11:59,384 Speaker 3: over it, and it's so funny because you think about 262 00:11:59,504 --> 00:12:01,264 Speaker 3: how much money goes into these productions. 263 00:12:01,264 --> 00:12:03,144 Speaker 2: You're like, you're forgetting a coffee cup. 264 00:12:03,664 --> 00:12:05,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was wild, And also like there were so 265 00:12:05,664 --> 00:12:08,064 Speaker 1: many little side stories around that. One is that it 266 00:12:08,064 --> 00:12:12,384 Speaker 1: happened in the final episodes of the final season and 267 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:14,264 Speaker 1: that's when all eyes were on Game of Thrones, Like 268 00:12:14,304 --> 00:12:16,984 Speaker 1: it was a huge event television. Everyone was sitting down 269 00:12:17,064 --> 00:12:19,584 Speaker 1: the exact moment to watch every episode that it came out, 270 00:12:20,024 --> 00:12:23,184 Speaker 1: and so it just became this huge trending topic. It 271 00:12:23,224 --> 00:12:25,664 Speaker 1: was also a Starbucks coffee cup and very different to 272 00:12:25,784 --> 00:12:28,104 Speaker 1: the coffee cups they have on set, so someone in 273 00:12:28,144 --> 00:12:31,544 Speaker 1: particular like brought it in And it was so funny 274 00:12:31,544 --> 00:12:33,824 Speaker 1: because on the night it happened, all the casts were 275 00:12:33,864 --> 00:12:37,384 Speaker 1: doing press like in the days afterwards, and Sophie Turner said, 276 00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:40,304 Speaker 1: who plays Sansa, said that it was just like in 277 00:12:40,344 --> 00:12:43,224 Speaker 1: the group chat was going off, and Nikolai Costororan, who 278 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:47,424 Speaker 1: plays Jamie Lanister, when in the group, he's like, great episode, guys, wonderful. 279 00:12:47,464 --> 00:12:49,944 Speaker 1: Everyone was great. What was that coffee cup? So like 280 00:12:49,984 --> 00:12:51,624 Speaker 1: the car saw it straightaway. 281 00:12:51,824 --> 00:12:55,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because they did actually digitally remove it afterwards, 282 00:12:55,384 --> 00:12:57,544 Speaker 3: but it was too late. But it's too late, but 283 00:12:57,624 --> 00:13:00,264 Speaker 3: they kind of owned it. They thought it was funny. 284 00:13:00,264 --> 00:13:04,384 Speaker 3: Everyone was blaming whose coffee cup? It was another sort 285 00:13:04,424 --> 00:13:08,224 Speaker 3: of in similar vane in Downton Abbey in twenty fourteen, 286 00:13:08,264 --> 00:13:09,944 Speaker 3: there was a water bottle in the back of the 287 00:13:10,384 --> 00:13:15,984 Speaker 3: don't know this one, So so there's a water bottle 288 00:13:16,464 --> 00:13:18,704 Speaker 3: on the mantle in the back of the press shots. 289 00:13:19,104 --> 00:13:23,304 Speaker 3: Now everybody like was going off about it. This is 290 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:26,824 Speaker 3: the right way to respond. After this big thing and 291 00:13:26,864 --> 00:13:29,504 Speaker 3: everyone going off about it, the cast and crew came 292 00:13:29,584 --> 00:13:32,224 Speaker 3: up with the idea of turning the attention towards the 293 00:13:32,264 --> 00:13:37,224 Speaker 3: issue of around water. So they went ahead and started 294 00:13:37,224 --> 00:13:40,584 Speaker 3: to raise money and awareness for Water AID, which is 295 00:13:40,624 --> 00:13:43,384 Speaker 3: an international. 296 00:13:42,264 --> 00:13:44,184 Speaker 1: Nice I was just saying, there's a step too far, 297 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:45,144 Speaker 1: but it's actually really nice. 298 00:13:45,384 --> 00:13:49,224 Speaker 3: But like that's the way to like take make fun 299 00:13:49,224 --> 00:13:53,464 Speaker 3: of it, make some money for a charity. Another recent 300 00:13:53,504 --> 00:13:56,024 Speaker 3: one which isn't really a gaff, but it's something that 301 00:13:56,144 --> 00:13:59,504 Speaker 3: really bothered me Squid Game season three. 302 00:13:59,904 --> 00:14:01,504 Speaker 2: The baby, Oh what. 303 00:14:01,504 --> 00:14:02,184 Speaker 1: Happened to the baby? 304 00:14:02,344 --> 00:14:08,264 Speaker 3: The baby is like so cgi AI. It really irritated me. 305 00:14:09,064 --> 00:14:10,224 Speaker 3: It like really took me out. 306 00:14:10,624 --> 00:14:13,664 Speaker 1: That's a gaff though, that's just like bad tech. It's like, 307 00:14:13,824 --> 00:14:14,224 Speaker 1: it's like. 308 00:14:14,784 --> 00:14:16,624 Speaker 2: It looks like a really AI baby. 309 00:14:16,744 --> 00:14:18,704 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if that's the same thing as 310 00:14:18,744 --> 00:14:21,224 Speaker 1: a mistake, because like the baby's meant to be just 311 00:14:21,264 --> 00:14:22,024 Speaker 1: I know, it's not a. 312 00:14:22,064 --> 00:14:24,824 Speaker 3: Gaff really, but it took me out of the story 313 00:14:25,104 --> 00:14:28,184 Speaker 3: and I was like, this baby looks like an AI baby. 314 00:14:28,264 --> 00:14:31,344 Speaker 1: There is nothing more terrifying than an AI baby or 315 00:14:31,344 --> 00:14:33,504 Speaker 1: a fake baby in a TV or movie. It reminds 316 00:14:33,504 --> 00:14:36,624 Speaker 1: me of that horrific Riddeness May robot. Yeah they built 317 00:14:36,664 --> 00:14:39,144 Speaker 1: for the Twilight movies. Like that thing haunts my dreams. 318 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:40,584 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, don't look at it late 319 00:14:40,584 --> 00:14:44,704 Speaker 1: at night. But also that Bradley Cooper movie American Sniper. 320 00:14:44,784 --> 00:14:45,584 Speaker 2: That's what it reminds me. 321 00:14:45,784 --> 00:14:47,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, in that movie, even it wasn't seen it, it's 322 00:14:47,984 --> 00:14:51,784 Speaker 1: such a serious Oscar winning you know, movie that's meant 323 00:14:51,784 --> 00:14:54,184 Speaker 1: to be like critically acclaimed and they had a real 324 00:14:54,224 --> 00:14:56,144 Speaker 1: baby like that. Other thing is they always have twins 325 00:14:56,224 --> 00:14:58,704 Speaker 1: or triplets, so every baby you see on TV is 326 00:14:58,704 --> 00:15:01,424 Speaker 1: a twinter a triplet, so that they can easily swap 327 00:15:01,464 --> 00:15:03,664 Speaker 1: the babies in or out if they cry or get tied, 328 00:15:03,704 --> 00:15:06,184 Speaker 1: you've got to back up. But for American Sniper, for 329 00:15:06,224 --> 00:15:07,904 Speaker 1: some reason, I think they only had one baby, or 330 00:15:07,944 --> 00:15:09,584 Speaker 1: maybe the other baby was out for the day. Baby's 331 00:15:09,624 --> 00:15:11,984 Speaker 1: wearing a tantrum. Leave it's trailer. I don't know. And 332 00:15:12,064 --> 00:15:14,744 Speaker 1: so for this really pivotal scene with Bradley Cooper's character, 333 00:15:15,144 --> 00:15:17,744 Speaker 1: he's holding it's a doll and it looks like a doll. 334 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:19,384 Speaker 1: It's a little plastic arm is sticking out. 335 00:15:19,424 --> 00:15:20,664 Speaker 3: I could have at least got in one of those 336 00:15:20,744 --> 00:15:23,544 Speaker 3: reborn dolls. Yeah, those like fake babs. 337 00:15:23,384 --> 00:15:26,304 Speaker 1: Really lifelike or just had its face hid and just 338 00:15:26,304 --> 00:15:28,784 Speaker 1: like hold a bundle of blankets or something like that. 339 00:15:28,824 --> 00:15:29,744 Speaker 1: Man's got huge arms. 340 00:15:29,744 --> 00:15:32,224 Speaker 3: He could have it so obvious you can see the 341 00:15:32,304 --> 00:15:34,304 Speaker 3: steal from it, and it looks like a plastic back. 342 00:15:34,424 --> 00:15:36,704 Speaker 1: You would have a look you will scream laugh Anyway, 343 00:15:36,824 --> 00:15:38,904 Speaker 1: what a time, I must say, Like I know, I know, 344 00:15:38,944 --> 00:15:40,664 Speaker 1: I was going really hard and just like that then. 345 00:15:40,704 --> 00:15:42,784 Speaker 1: But I have to say I obviously still love the show. 346 00:15:43,104 --> 00:15:45,144 Speaker 1: I watch it multiple times a week. I'm very excited 347 00:15:45,144 --> 00:15:46,984 Speaker 1: for the new episode. I save them if I can 348 00:15:47,064 --> 00:15:49,504 Speaker 1: for Saturday morning, and I watch it by myself with 349 00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:52,424 Speaker 1: my coffee, with my candles lit as like my reset 350 00:15:52,464 --> 00:15:52,944 Speaker 1: from the week. 351 00:15:53,064 --> 00:15:55,304 Speaker 3: It's okay, we're not judging you. We are allowed to 352 00:15:55,344 --> 00:15:57,344 Speaker 3: be critical of things, and still like, oh. 353 00:15:57,464 --> 00:15:59,944 Speaker 1: Exactly, I don't like literally my whole personality. 354 00:16:00,184 --> 00:16:03,224 Speaker 3: I adure friends. But you know, there's like a lot 355 00:16:03,224 --> 00:16:04,624 Speaker 3: of continuity. 356 00:16:04,104 --> 00:16:04,824 Speaker 2: Errors in that. 357 00:16:05,304 --> 00:16:08,944 Speaker 3: Like in the pilot, when Rachel comes in to meet everyone, 358 00:16:08,984 --> 00:16:12,504 Speaker 3: she introduces herself like she gets introduced to Chandler, but 359 00:16:12,544 --> 00:16:15,624 Speaker 3: then later the story is that they've made the've actually 360 00:16:15,624 --> 00:16:18,704 Speaker 3: met multiple times at Thanksgiving. So like there's a lot 361 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:22,704 Speaker 3: of glaring continuity errors in these things. But I think 362 00:16:22,704 --> 00:16:26,304 Speaker 3: we just have to be like suspend our disbelief for 363 00:16:26,544 --> 00:16:27,864 Speaker 3: just a second and ignore it. 364 00:16:27,944 --> 00:16:30,704 Speaker 2: And you know, maybe he'll die a third time. 365 00:16:30,864 --> 00:16:33,704 Speaker 1: I would actually love that if next season he dies again. 366 00:16:34,104 --> 00:16:36,064 Speaker 1: I know that I know Michael Patrick King won't do it, 367 00:16:36,104 --> 00:16:38,544 Speaker 1: but like, dude, lean into the humor, come on now. 368 00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:40,224 Speaker 2: Enjoy it. Just lean into it. 369 00:16:42,184 --> 00:16:44,064 Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the other thing that's got me 370 00:16:44,104 --> 00:16:46,144 Speaker 1: riled up this week. This podcast is just at the moment, 371 00:16:46,304 --> 00:16:50,224 Speaker 1: just like sexy men, children, entertainers you're obsessed with, and 372 00:16:50,424 --> 00:16:53,664 Speaker 1: people who I'm angry at, and specifically this week, I'm 373 00:16:53,744 --> 00:16:57,144 Speaker 1: very invested in this whole Katie Holmes Tom Cruise story 374 00:16:57,184 --> 00:16:58,104 Speaker 1: being resurfaced. 375 00:16:58,264 --> 00:17:03,144 Speaker 3: This story is the ultimate in holy shit, I've accidentally 376 00:17:03,224 --> 00:17:05,704 Speaker 3: liked my ex boyfriend's post from five years ago. 377 00:17:06,104 --> 00:17:08,704 Speaker 1: Yes, very much that energy. So you might have seen 378 00:17:08,744 --> 00:17:11,904 Speaker 1: all the headlines that Katie Homes Homes has endorsed Tom 379 00:17:11,904 --> 00:17:15,184 Speaker 1: Cruise's new love affairs. She's being supportive. That's not exactly 380 00:17:15,184 --> 00:17:18,704 Speaker 1: the case. So what has happened is that Katie Holmes, 381 00:17:19,024 --> 00:17:22,624 Speaker 1: who over twenty years ago now was married to Tom Cruise. 382 00:17:22,704 --> 00:17:25,664 Speaker 1: They had a very public love affair when they first 383 00:17:26,064 --> 00:17:30,264 Speaker 1: got together. Obviously, everyone remembers the infamous him like jumping 384 00:17:30,264 --> 00:17:33,184 Speaker 1: on Oprah's couch to declare his love to her. My 385 00:17:33,184 --> 00:17:34,704 Speaker 1: favorite part of that story that I know I've sien 386 00:17:34,744 --> 00:17:36,744 Speaker 1: on the pod before is that after that clip happened, 387 00:17:36,784 --> 00:17:38,744 Speaker 1: if you watch the behind the scenes package, he and 388 00:17:38,784 --> 00:17:42,664 Speaker 1: a camera crew chased Katie Holmes through the backstage area, Yeah, 389 00:17:42,744 --> 00:17:44,784 Speaker 1: trying to pull her on stage and she's going, no, no, 390 00:17:44,944 --> 00:17:46,784 Speaker 1: I don't want you, and she's running and then Tom 391 00:17:46,824 --> 00:17:49,184 Speaker 1: Cruise like pulls her in front of the audience and 392 00:17:49,224 --> 00:17:51,344 Speaker 1: like kisses her and she is kind of into it. 393 00:17:51,384 --> 00:17:54,024 Speaker 1: But I don't know. It's very telling knowing what happened afterwards. 394 00:17:54,104 --> 00:17:56,664 Speaker 1: So anyway, they walked around carpets together. It was really beautiful. 395 00:17:56,904 --> 00:18:00,264 Speaker 1: They welcome to daughter, Suri Cruz. They had this huge, big. 396 00:18:00,064 --> 00:18:01,384 Speaker 2: Fancy baby in the world. 397 00:18:01,504 --> 00:18:03,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I remember how there was that whole thing 398 00:18:04,024 --> 00:18:05,944 Speaker 1: that she didn't exist and she was a fake baby, 399 00:18:05,984 --> 00:18:06,944 Speaker 1: fake babies everywhere. 400 00:18:07,024 --> 00:18:08,784 Speaker 3: No, there was this whole thing between It was like 401 00:18:08,904 --> 00:18:12,384 Speaker 3: Suri and Shylah born around the same time. Yeah, and 402 00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:14,864 Speaker 3: there was this whole like cute baby off between the. 403 00:18:14,864 --> 00:18:17,384 Speaker 1: Two of your Yes, yes, look they're both very cute, 404 00:18:17,384 --> 00:18:20,144 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but yes, Tom and Caye didn't show sorry 405 00:18:20,144 --> 00:18:22,864 Speaker 1: for a while and everyone was like, she other doesn't exis, 406 00:18:22,904 --> 00:18:24,144 Speaker 1: so there's something wrong with her. And they did a 407 00:18:24,184 --> 00:18:26,624 Speaker 1: Vanity Fair cover. Then when her little face is poking 408 00:18:26,624 --> 00:18:29,224 Speaker 1: out of his jacket like, Suri, that's our girl. And 409 00:18:29,264 --> 00:18:31,584 Speaker 1: again weird when we get into conspiracy theories, about babies, 410 00:18:31,864 --> 00:18:34,944 Speaker 1: so that all happened. Their marriage ended after five years 411 00:18:34,984 --> 00:18:37,544 Speaker 1: of marriage, I believe, and that's when a lot of 412 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:39,984 Speaker 1: the stories about what had happened behind the scenes started 413 00:18:40,024 --> 00:18:43,064 Speaker 1: coming out, and those stories have continued for the last 414 00:18:43,104 --> 00:18:47,304 Speaker 1: two decades. So Katie Holmes has really not mentioned Tom 415 00:18:47,384 --> 00:18:50,744 Speaker 1: Cruise in any way. He never mentions her impress anything 416 00:18:50,824 --> 00:18:53,304 Speaker 1: like that. So this is the first time that we've 417 00:18:53,304 --> 00:18:56,184 Speaker 1: seen her kind of have any interaction with his publicity. 418 00:18:56,424 --> 00:18:59,224 Speaker 3: Also, there's been a lot of like Suri basically doesn't 419 00:18:59,264 --> 00:19:02,584 Speaker 3: see him anymore. Yes, like has been really estranged from 420 00:19:02,584 --> 00:19:05,944 Speaker 3: her father. We know the whole sort of law behind scientology. 421 00:19:05,984 --> 00:19:09,424 Speaker 3: It's been pretty like contentious between the two of them. 422 00:19:09,504 --> 00:19:11,744 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, to the point now where Suri Cruz, at 423 00:19:11,824 --> 00:19:13,864 Speaker 1: least as far as we know publicly. Again, she's at 424 00:19:13,864 --> 00:19:16,584 Speaker 1: college now, which is wild because I feel like she's 425 00:19:16,584 --> 00:19:19,344 Speaker 1: still a child. She's at college now and she was 426 00:19:19,464 --> 00:19:21,544 Speaker 1: involved in some college things, and I do feel bad 427 00:19:21,584 --> 00:19:23,584 Speaker 1: for her that she has no privacy because of who 428 00:19:23,624 --> 00:19:26,704 Speaker 1: her parents are. Some college papers I think, like a 429 00:19:26,784 --> 00:19:28,984 Speaker 1: program came out with her name in it, and also 430 00:19:29,024 --> 00:19:31,464 Speaker 1: from her high school that she now goes by Suri 431 00:19:31,544 --> 00:19:34,824 Speaker 1: Noel not Suri Cruz. Noel is Katie Holmes's middle name, 432 00:19:34,864 --> 00:19:37,664 Speaker 1: so it's kind of like completely erasing her father from 433 00:19:37,704 --> 00:19:40,544 Speaker 1: her life and just going by her mother's name. But 434 00:19:40,624 --> 00:19:43,864 Speaker 1: what's happened this week is that there are screenshots circulating. 435 00:19:44,304 --> 00:19:46,824 Speaker 1: It appears, from what I've seen from the screenshot and 436 00:19:46,904 --> 00:19:50,104 Speaker 1: People Magazine have gone and confirmed this that it is 437 00:19:50,304 --> 00:19:54,904 Speaker 1: Katie Holmes's official Instagram account that back in May liked. 438 00:19:55,024 --> 00:19:57,784 Speaker 1: That's the thing too, not recently. So this happened back 439 00:19:57,824 --> 00:20:01,184 Speaker 1: in May, allegedly from the reports and the investigation that 440 00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:04,624 Speaker 1: I've personally conducted that back in May, Katie Holmes liked 441 00:20:04,944 --> 00:20:08,544 Speaker 1: an Instagram post that the first slide of it is 442 00:20:08,664 --> 00:20:11,504 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise and Anadamas RelA relationship confirmed. 443 00:20:11,904 --> 00:20:14,464 Speaker 2: But when we go back to that post, it's not 444 00:20:14,544 --> 00:20:15,184 Speaker 2: there anymore. 445 00:20:15,304 --> 00:20:17,864 Speaker 1: No, no, no, she has taken off. It's unclear when 446 00:20:17,864 --> 00:20:21,064 Speaker 1: she liked it or unliked it, And obviously she has 447 00:20:21,104 --> 00:20:22,904 Speaker 1: not comment on this, and I'm pretty safe to say 448 00:20:22,904 --> 00:20:24,704 Speaker 1: she absolutely never will. So we don't know if it 449 00:20:24,744 --> 00:20:26,784 Speaker 1: was a mistake, but I'm pretty safe to say it's 450 00:20:26,784 --> 00:20:29,984 Speaker 1: a mistake. But what I'm assuming is happening is that 451 00:20:30,024 --> 00:20:33,264 Speaker 1: she was scrolling through her insta feed, as we all do. 452 00:20:33,664 --> 00:20:35,704 Speaker 1: Maybe it was late at night, I don't know, and 453 00:20:35,904 --> 00:20:39,744 Speaker 1: she saw the face of this man who allegedly traumatized 454 00:20:39,784 --> 00:20:42,344 Speaker 1: her for many years and still does in a confirmed 455 00:20:42,424 --> 00:20:44,624 Speaker 1: relationship with this new actress. And while she was looking 456 00:20:44,664 --> 00:20:46,384 Speaker 1: at it, she might have accidentally liked it. 457 00:20:46,584 --> 00:20:50,464 Speaker 3: But it also could have been like her publicist or assistant. 458 00:20:50,544 --> 00:20:52,984 Speaker 1: In her account. Yeah, maybe I'm Actually. 459 00:20:52,664 --> 00:20:54,784 Speaker 2: There's a lot of celebrities who don't run their own account. 460 00:20:54,824 --> 00:20:56,984 Speaker 1: Oh no, I think that's probably safe to say that 461 00:20:57,144 --> 00:20:59,304 Speaker 1: she has people posting to her account because she doesn't 462 00:20:59,304 --> 00:21:00,944 Speaker 1: post a lot of stuff. It's funny though, because she 463 00:21:01,024 --> 00:21:03,984 Speaker 1: posts very like in a non celebrity way, Like sometimes 464 00:21:04,224 --> 00:21:07,544 Speaker 1: these glossy like stills from her business we posted, and 465 00:21:07,624 --> 00:21:09,904 Speaker 1: sometimes it'll be like a blurry shot of something in 466 00:21:09,904 --> 00:21:12,624 Speaker 1: her kitchen, or it'll be like she's like being on 467 00:21:12,664 --> 00:21:15,144 Speaker 1: stage and Broadway, but she's also like a big theater goer, 468 00:21:15,224 --> 00:21:17,584 Speaker 1: so she'll post like a blurry shot of like a 469 00:21:17,624 --> 00:21:19,824 Speaker 1: playbill or something like that, and I'm like, that's Katie 470 00:21:19,864 --> 00:21:22,584 Speaker 1: Holmes posting, yeah, in those moments, Yeah. 471 00:21:22,424 --> 00:21:23,024 Speaker 2: But that is it. 472 00:21:23,184 --> 00:21:25,744 Speaker 3: Just it's such a funny thing because we're speculating that 473 00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:28,704 Speaker 3: she's basically been scrolling and accidentally liked it and then gone. 474 00:21:28,864 --> 00:21:31,704 Speaker 1: Yeah shit, or she could do that. Someone has got 475 00:21:31,704 --> 00:21:34,144 Speaker 1: a screenshot and even though the post is from May. 476 00:21:34,504 --> 00:21:36,064 Speaker 2: It's only now surfacing. 477 00:21:36,624 --> 00:21:38,824 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. It's unclear in the timeline of 478 00:21:38,864 --> 00:21:41,824 Speaker 1: whether the post is from May. But it's unclear whether 479 00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:43,904 Speaker 1: she liked it or someone from her team liked it 480 00:21:43,904 --> 00:21:46,384 Speaker 1: in May and the screenshot has come at now, or 481 00:21:46,584 --> 00:21:49,024 Speaker 1: it was an old post that somehow resurface in their 482 00:21:49,064 --> 00:21:51,984 Speaker 1: feet and the like is recent, it's gone now. No 483 00:21:52,024 --> 00:21:54,544 Speaker 1: one's commenting on it, but it has kind of brought 484 00:21:54,584 --> 00:21:58,024 Speaker 1: up this whole big story around Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, 485 00:21:58,064 --> 00:21:59,704 Speaker 1: and I just want to go into limon say, I 486 00:21:59,744 --> 00:22:03,624 Speaker 1: feel like she's absolutely not endorsing any new relationship unless 487 00:22:03,624 --> 00:22:05,904 Speaker 1: she's like, yes, to get that man away from me, 488 00:22:06,024 --> 00:22:08,504 Speaker 1: Like the more his attention is on someone else, the 489 00:22:08,504 --> 00:22:10,184 Speaker 1: more he'll kind of like leave me and my daughter. 490 00:22:10,744 --> 00:22:12,984 Speaker 3: I mean, it's very clear from all of his ex's 491 00:22:13,184 --> 00:22:17,784 Speaker 3: they will not speak out about their relationship because there's 492 00:22:17,784 --> 00:22:20,624 Speaker 3: been like NDA signed, but also they just want to 493 00:22:20,664 --> 00:22:22,904 Speaker 3: get out, Like you know, Nicole Kidman does not talk 494 00:22:22,904 --> 00:22:26,824 Speaker 3: about Tom Cruise. Yeah, Katie Holmes does not talk about him. 495 00:22:26,904 --> 00:22:31,224 Speaker 3: All we get is like people around them talking about it. 496 00:22:31,304 --> 00:22:33,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, except for Cher who dated him when he 497 00:22:33,864 --> 00:22:36,264 Speaker 1: was nearly famous and said he's great in bed and 498 00:22:36,304 --> 00:22:38,184 Speaker 1: I was like, that's great to know. But I feel 499 00:22:38,184 --> 00:22:40,784 Speaker 1: like she hasn't signed an NDA for that, so she's fine. 500 00:22:40,944 --> 00:22:43,144 Speaker 1: Also on the Tom Cruise and Anna Diamas saying obviously 501 00:22:43,184 --> 00:22:46,624 Speaker 1: that's been circulating since last year, neither of them have 502 00:22:46,744 --> 00:22:49,784 Speaker 1: confirmed any relationship when they've been asked about it. They've 503 00:22:49,824 --> 00:22:52,264 Speaker 1: both kind of really brushed over it and lasted off 504 00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:55,064 Speaker 1: and they're working on some projects together, is what Anna 505 00:22:55,144 --> 00:22:57,544 Speaker 1: Damas and her team say. Tom Cruise is like, she's 506 00:22:57,584 --> 00:23:00,144 Speaker 1: a great actress and the only time they're photographed is 507 00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:03,064 Speaker 1: constantly getting on and off private planes together. So make 508 00:23:03,104 --> 00:23:03,944 Speaker 1: of that what you will. 509 00:23:04,304 --> 00:23:06,144 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about that. It's so weird. We 510 00:23:06,144 --> 00:23:08,904 Speaker 3: don't see them like on the street. They're just getting 511 00:23:08,944 --> 00:23:09,464 Speaker 3: on planes. 512 00:23:09,624 --> 00:23:13,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which is I mean, look, I feel 513 00:23:13,704 --> 00:23:15,384 Speaker 1: like for Anadamas, I'm like, girl, get out of there. 514 00:23:15,424 --> 00:23:19,104 Speaker 3: But I just feel like, even though we've spoken about 515 00:23:19,104 --> 00:23:23,184 Speaker 3: Tom before, we both loved interviewing him. Knowing what we 516 00:23:23,344 --> 00:23:28,224 Speaker 3: know about that yeah, environment I think I'd be very 517 00:23:28,224 --> 00:23:29,544 Speaker 3: hesitant to be involved. 518 00:23:29,904 --> 00:23:32,744 Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. That's the thing about Tom Cruise 519 00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:34,344 Speaker 1: that I know we've bloys said before is like, yeah, 520 00:23:34,624 --> 00:23:38,264 Speaker 1: very charismatic, lovely to meet, an event, lovely to interview, 521 00:23:38,744 --> 00:23:42,624 Speaker 1: but his public persona is so switched on. It's almost 522 00:23:42,664 --> 00:23:45,424 Speaker 1: like if AI had to make like the perfect public 523 00:23:45,464 --> 00:23:49,104 Speaker 1: facing movie star, you would create Tom Cruise, someone who 524 00:23:49,144 --> 00:23:51,824 Speaker 1: just like gets down a red carpet, can really compel 525 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:53,784 Speaker 1: a room, who is so great in interviews, so good 526 00:23:53,824 --> 00:23:56,504 Speaker 1: on screen. It's just all the background stuff that gets 527 00:23:56,584 --> 00:23:59,344 Speaker 1: washed over a little bit because the whole backstory between 528 00:23:59,384 --> 00:24:02,224 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, I think is from what 529 00:24:02,304 --> 00:24:05,184 Speaker 1: we know, so much darker than has ever been led on. 530 00:24:05,744 --> 00:24:08,064 Speaker 1: And there were so many allegations at the time, and 531 00:24:08,104 --> 00:24:10,904 Speaker 1: again Katie Holmes has never really spoken about this. Everyone's 532 00:24:10,904 --> 00:24:13,344 Speaker 1: with the belief that she can't legally speak about it. 533 00:24:13,424 --> 00:24:15,704 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I would one hundred percent say that. 534 00:24:15,904 --> 00:24:19,224 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of allegations that Tom Cruise was 535 00:24:19,344 --> 00:24:23,424 Speaker 1: very controlling and very manipulative during their relationship, not just 536 00:24:23,464 --> 00:24:26,224 Speaker 1: because of the age gap between them or the fact 537 00:24:26,264 --> 00:24:28,464 Speaker 1: that he's such a bigger star than her, and has 538 00:24:28,464 --> 00:24:30,464 Speaker 1: been in the industry longer than her. But there's so 539 00:24:30,504 --> 00:24:36,984 Speaker 1: many allegations about his ties with the Church of Scientology, yes, exactly, 540 00:24:37,344 --> 00:24:40,184 Speaker 1: and the way that they operate. There are all these, 541 00:24:40,224 --> 00:24:44,464 Speaker 1: again allegations that part of the Church of Scientology, at 542 00:24:44,544 --> 00:24:46,824 Speaker 1: least the part that people allege that Tom Cruise in 543 00:24:46,864 --> 00:24:49,744 Speaker 1: the Hollywood set are involved in, that it's that auditing 544 00:24:49,824 --> 00:24:52,024 Speaker 1: thing where they get you to tell all your deepest, 545 00:24:52,064 --> 00:24:53,624 Speaker 1: darkest secrets again allegedly. 546 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:56,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you've seen the Lea Remedy documentary. 547 00:24:56,344 --> 00:24:56,864 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I have. 548 00:24:57,104 --> 00:25:00,904 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean, obviously Lea Remedy and Scientology not friends. 549 00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:04,024 Speaker 3: But yeah, I've watched a lot of these Scientology documentaries 550 00:25:04,064 --> 00:25:08,144 Speaker 3: going clear the Luis Tharroux one again allegedly. It's very 551 00:25:08,144 --> 00:25:11,904 Speaker 3: difficult to sort of skirt around all of the people 552 00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:15,184 Speaker 3: that have spoken out against the church. Yeah, but yeah, 553 00:25:15,224 --> 00:25:19,184 Speaker 3: I mean it is very complex. Yeah, and it's really 554 00:25:19,224 --> 00:25:21,424 Speaker 3: hard because when I met Tom Cruise, I had that 555 00:25:21,504 --> 00:25:24,144 Speaker 3: all in the back of my mind, but he was 556 00:25:24,304 --> 00:25:27,544 Speaker 3: so charismatic, he was so kind, he was one of 557 00:25:27,584 --> 00:25:30,624 Speaker 3: the nicest celebrities I've ever met. Yeah, so it's really 558 00:25:30,704 --> 00:25:33,104 Speaker 3: hard to distance those two things, and. 559 00:25:33,024 --> 00:25:34,584 Speaker 1: It's gotten hard. I mean, I don't know when you 560 00:25:34,664 --> 00:25:36,824 Speaker 1: last interviewed him. I mean again, I saw him, like, 561 00:25:37,024 --> 00:25:38,944 Speaker 1: I didn't interview him, but I was at an event 562 00:25:38,984 --> 00:25:41,304 Speaker 1: with him only last year or the year before or 563 00:25:41,344 --> 00:25:43,304 Speaker 1: I don't know what is time anyway, but it was 564 00:25:43,344 --> 00:25:45,064 Speaker 1: many years I got to that interviewed him. I don't 565 00:25:45,064 --> 00:25:46,784 Speaker 1: know how I'd feel about doing that now, just because 566 00:25:46,784 --> 00:25:48,944 Speaker 1: I feel like the more I've kind of delved into it, 567 00:25:48,944 --> 00:25:51,064 Speaker 1: it is yeah, kind of like not a great situation. 568 00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:53,904 Speaker 1: But the allegation was that Katie Holmes has kind of 569 00:25:53,944 --> 00:25:56,784 Speaker 1: been held in this relationship because of information they had 570 00:25:56,824 --> 00:26:00,304 Speaker 1: over her, the thought that they could allegedly again cut 571 00:26:00,344 --> 00:26:03,144 Speaker 1: off her contact with Surrey, and there's all these stories 572 00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:05,544 Speaker 1: that like her dad came in and helped her escape, 573 00:26:05,744 --> 00:26:07,264 Speaker 1: and that she had to sort of just like take 574 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:09,424 Speaker 1: her daughter and leave, and they had to have this 575 00:26:09,464 --> 00:26:12,544 Speaker 1: whole Eagles situation set up and she had to sign 576 00:26:12,544 --> 00:26:14,824 Speaker 1: all these documents she'd be able to be like free 577 00:26:14,904 --> 00:26:18,304 Speaker 1: of Tom Cruise. And one of the stipulations was that 578 00:26:18,344 --> 00:26:20,824 Speaker 1: she had to wait a certain number of years after 579 00:26:20,864 --> 00:26:24,624 Speaker 1: their divorce to ever been seen publicly with another partner, 580 00:26:24,704 --> 00:26:27,464 Speaker 1: which is why it took over ten years from her 581 00:26:27,464 --> 00:26:29,784 Speaker 1: divorce pretty much that she could be photographed with her 582 00:26:29,824 --> 00:26:32,104 Speaker 1: then partner Jamie Fox, even though they've been together for 583 00:26:32,144 --> 00:26:34,704 Speaker 1: such a long time, and there were photographed like to 584 00:26:34,944 --> 00:26:37,424 Speaker 1: the day, those photos of them walking along the beach 585 00:26:37,464 --> 00:26:41,184 Speaker 1: were like literally the day that it's been speculated that 586 00:26:41,184 --> 00:26:42,664 Speaker 1: that part of the contract lifted. 587 00:26:42,824 --> 00:26:44,744 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean it's pretty safe to say that 588 00:26:45,344 --> 00:26:47,744 Speaker 3: she did not endorse this relationship. 589 00:26:47,984 --> 00:26:49,944 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no. And I feel like, pretty much 590 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:52,784 Speaker 1: the worst thing that Tom Cruise has done to Katie Holmes, 591 00:26:52,984 --> 00:26:56,984 Speaker 1: aside from the fact of all the manipulation and the 592 00:26:56,984 --> 00:27:00,464 Speaker 1: potential psychological abuse and things that people say happen behind 593 00:27:00,504 --> 00:27:04,544 Speaker 1: the screens, is robbing her of her own public story, 594 00:27:04,744 --> 00:27:08,104 Speaker 1: robbing her of the ability to like be properly in 595 00:27:08,104 --> 00:27:11,384 Speaker 1: a relationship and all, so just robbing her of this 596 00:27:11,464 --> 00:27:15,024 Speaker 1: thing of having her daughter be like pulled into this 597 00:27:15,144 --> 00:27:17,464 Speaker 1: turmoil that all celebrity kids e in that but I 598 00:27:17,504 --> 00:27:19,984 Speaker 1: think that she's been pulled into it a lot more. 599 00:27:20,104 --> 00:27:21,704 Speaker 1: And what I also thought, kind of coming back to 600 00:27:21,744 --> 00:27:25,144 Speaker 1: Lea Remedie, who again is a really well known Hollywood 601 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:28,024 Speaker 1: actress mostly from a lot of TV work, was best 602 00:27:28,024 --> 00:27:30,624 Speaker 1: friends with Jennifer Lopez for a really long time. They 603 00:27:30,624 --> 00:27:33,504 Speaker 1: had a little breakup when she got together with Ben Athlete, 604 00:27:33,544 --> 00:27:34,984 Speaker 1: but they're back together now, which I love. As a 605 00:27:35,024 --> 00:27:37,744 Speaker 1: side note, but when it was in the news that 606 00:27:37,824 --> 00:27:41,224 Speaker 1: Leah Remedie was doing this big tell all, Katie Holmes, 607 00:27:41,344 --> 00:27:44,144 Speaker 1: who never comments on anything to do with Tom Cruise, 608 00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:47,264 Speaker 1: never comments on scientology, never comments on anything. She's so private, 609 00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:50,744 Speaker 1: put out a public statement that said, I apologize to 610 00:27:50,824 --> 00:27:52,864 Speaker 1: Lea Remedie for things that have happened in the past. 611 00:27:52,944 --> 00:27:56,144 Speaker 1: I am so sorry. And the reason she did that, 612 00:27:56,264 --> 00:27:58,384 Speaker 1: what people think and what I think is that she 613 00:27:58,944 --> 00:28:02,664 Speaker 1: was so aware that Leah Remedie knew so many things 614 00:28:02,704 --> 00:28:05,264 Speaker 1: that had happened when she was involved in the church 615 00:28:05,424 --> 00:28:08,304 Speaker 1: with Tom Cruise, everything that had happened, and she's escaped it, 616 00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:10,504 Speaker 1: but she just wanted to publicly say I know, Oh 617 00:28:10,624 --> 00:28:13,344 Speaker 1: that was bad, I'm so sorry. Yeah, And I just thought, wow, 618 00:28:13,424 --> 00:28:14,264 Speaker 1: that is so telling. 619 00:28:14,544 --> 00:28:17,624 Speaker 2: It's so telling. I mean, I get really obsessed with 620 00:28:17,824 --> 00:28:18,704 Speaker 2: those domos. 621 00:28:18,944 --> 00:28:20,784 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's very safe to say that 622 00:28:20,864 --> 00:28:22,744 Speaker 3: Katie did not like this post. 623 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:24,704 Speaker 2: It's now gone from the internet. 624 00:28:24,424 --> 00:28:27,904 Speaker 3: Yea, So we'll just have to wait to see if 625 00:28:28,184 --> 00:28:29,024 Speaker 3: she's not gonna. 626 00:28:28,784 --> 00:28:29,224 Speaker 2: Make a comment. 627 00:28:29,264 --> 00:28:30,544 Speaker 1: Oh so she's not gonna make a comment. And I 628 00:28:30,544 --> 00:28:32,224 Speaker 1: hate this for her that her name has been pulled 629 00:28:32,264 --> 00:28:35,304 Speaker 1: back into this whole situation when she's just like living 630 00:28:35,344 --> 00:28:38,624 Speaker 1: her life in New York, acting, doing amazing things, sus 631 00:28:38,624 --> 00:28:41,264 Speaker 1: at college. 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