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Speaker 1: this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck

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Speaker 1: and I am Tina Burke is pop culture and social editor.

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Speaker 2: You really got home there in the last line, because

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Speaker 2: at first you were saying it like your name was

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Speaker 2: a question. It's very I am Ron Burgundy film and command,

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Speaker 2: so true.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel every time I'm like, who am I?

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Speaker 1: What am I? And what do I believe in? I

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Speaker 2: And would you believe? That's not what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the show today, but we can talk about it afterwards.

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Speaker 2: As we move forward towards the release of Wicked for Good,

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Speaker 2: which is the second half of the Wicked movie, which

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Speaker 2: is coming out in just a few weeks, one big

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Speaker 2: question is swirling, and that is around the relationship status

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Speaker 2: of Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater. We're going to get

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Speaker 2: into that because there's a report so a breakup, there's

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Speaker 2: reports of an engagement. It's going all these different ways.

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Speaker 2: Plus the front runners from the Oscar Race have emerged,

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Speaker 2: and this year it's shaping up to be a story

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Speaker 2: of underdogs, people who haven't been giving a chance. But

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Speaker 2: the biggest nominees are also the most famous and.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful women in the world. So we're getting get into

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Speaker 1: that because it's underdogs of a beautiful nature. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: The Oscar Race this year is shaping up to be

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Speaker 2: absolutely crazy. But first, there is something I'm quite excited about.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what so in unexpected turn of events,

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Speaker 1: something I never thought I'd say. I think next year

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Speaker 1: that my favorite creator of TV will be Kim Kardashian

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Speaker 2: Yes, not my favorite person on TV creator of TV. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people think, with like

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of way she's going. Yeah she is.

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Speaker 2: And also, look, you know, she's a business savvy woman,

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Speaker 2: this particular segment is all looked on an upcoming TV

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Speaker 2: show called Calabasas. That's the same so Kim Kardashian to

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, that's the good.

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Speaker 2: So they came together to make this TV series, and

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Speaker 2: First of all, Kim Kardashian, one of the most famous, polarizing,

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Speaker 2: But you know what all those teen TV shows had

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Speaker 1: Hook it to my mood. I want to watch its true.

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Speaker 1: And Kim Kardashian is playing the sixteen year old Vietna.

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Speaker 1: This is, I think the thing that sells me, because

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Speaker 1: But season one and two of Bridgeton were just like

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Speaker 1: And she's really leveraged those like celebrity friendships and connections,

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Speaker 1: say all's fair. Yeah great, I was gonna say it's

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Speaker 2: So now we move on to one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we always talk about how like for women

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Speaker 1: And the same with Jamie Lee Curtis. Love Jamie Lee

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Speaker 1: argue that was not done the right way.

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Speaker 2: And apparently that's why she's putting herself into also the

425
00:19:47,504 --> 00:19:51,464
Speaker 2: musical comedy sections. Yeah, so that can springboard her in

426
00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:54,744
Speaker 2: the same way Amelia Perez did into those nominations, which

427
00:19:54,784 --> 00:19:56,984
Speaker 2: brings us to the next actress, who is also being

428
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Speaker 2: positioned as an underdog, who is also putting herself into

429
00:20:00,464 --> 00:20:04,584
Speaker 2: all the musical comedy categories even though this movie apparently

430
00:20:04,624 --> 00:20:07,384
Speaker 2: is not a comedy, but she's hoping that will springboard

431
00:20:07,424 --> 00:20:10,024
Speaker 2: her to the Oscars. And this is someone who is

432
00:20:10,064 --> 00:20:14,464
Speaker 2: being also positioned as someone in desperate need of a

433
00:20:14,544 --> 00:20:17,904
Speaker 2: career comeback. And this underdog is called Kate Hudson.

434
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Speaker 1: Academy of Kami won, Golden Girl, Box Office superstar Kate Hudson.

435
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Speaker 1: Will someone give the kid a break? Oh? Will someone

436
00:20:29,384 --> 00:20:31,824
Speaker 1: give her a chance? Please? She's only starring on a

437
00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:34,584
Speaker 1: Netflix show that it's been renewed for. That is what

438
00:20:34,624 --> 00:20:36,344
Speaker 1: people are saying, that she's had a career.

439
00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:40,344
Speaker 2: When I started hearing people talking about Kate Hudson as

440
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Speaker 2: an underdog in need of a career comeback, I was like,

441
00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:44,984
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, have I like, do I have a head injury?

442
00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:47,864
Speaker 2: What is happening here that I am I'm misreading the room.

443
00:20:48,264 --> 00:20:51,464
Speaker 2: But then variety posts of this article why Kate Hudson

444
00:20:51,464 --> 00:20:54,104
Speaker 2: could be the Oscar comeback story of the year, and

445
00:20:54,104 --> 00:20:57,264
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm not imagining this. I like

446
00:20:57,344 --> 00:20:59,184
Speaker 2: to have a giggle and I look at them in

447
00:20:59,224 --> 00:21:01,224
Speaker 2: a way, yes, and we can get to it. Kate

448
00:21:01,304 --> 00:21:03,704
Speaker 2: and j Loo of like underdogs in a sense in Hollywood,

449
00:21:03,704 --> 00:21:05,544
Speaker 2: in how they're viewed. But I don't like this thing

450
00:21:05,584 --> 00:21:07,504
Speaker 2: where we're just like acting as though women of a

451
00:21:07,504 --> 00:21:10,344
Speaker 2: certain age in Hollywood are underdogs in need of a comeback,

452
00:21:10,424 --> 00:21:13,904
Speaker 2: purely because like they're not the young hot thing anymore.

453
00:21:13,944 --> 00:21:17,664
Speaker 2: Kate has been a leading projects pretty steadily. If you

454
00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:19,944
Speaker 2: kind of thread between the lines, I understand what they're saying,

455
00:21:20,024 --> 00:21:23,584
Speaker 2: because it has been twenty five years since her first

456
00:21:23,624 --> 00:21:27,584
Speaker 2: and only Oscar nomination for Penny Lane and Almost Famous. Yeah,

457
00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:30,384
Speaker 2: and that was also her first big breakout role. So

458
00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:34,104
Speaker 2: it's like the daughter of this like famous Hollywood superstar

459
00:21:34,184 --> 00:21:36,784
Speaker 2: all of a sudden breaks onto the scene. Everyone's obsessed

460
00:21:36,824 --> 00:21:39,184
Speaker 2: with her. She stars in one of the most iconic

461
00:21:39,264 --> 00:21:41,904
Speaker 2: movies of all time, and she is the breakout star

462
00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:43,664
Speaker 2: of that, Like she is the best part of that

463
00:21:43,744 --> 00:21:44,464
Speaker 2: movie by far.

464
00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:45,864
Speaker 1: Everyone's obsessed with her.

465
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Speaker 2: She gets an Oscar nomination, she doesn't win, but that's

466
00:21:48,584 --> 00:21:50,584
Speaker 2: very par for the course for women sort of coming

467
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Speaker 2: up through the ranks. That's why Mikey Madison was a

468
00:21:52,824 --> 00:21:54,824
Speaker 2: surprise this year, because normally they'd make her wait another

469
00:21:54,864 --> 00:21:57,864
Speaker 2: fifteen years and then everyone's like, Kate Hudson is going

470
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Speaker 2: to be a multi Oscar winner. She's going to be

471
00:22:01,024 --> 00:22:03,584
Speaker 2: the star of all these incredible indie movies and all

472
00:22:03,624 --> 00:22:05,264
Speaker 2: the they thought she was going to be like, yeah,

473
00:22:05,264 --> 00:22:06,464
Speaker 2: she was going to go that way and be like

474
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Speaker 2: a serious in history actress.

475
00:22:08,624 --> 00:22:10,184
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then she went the other way.

476
00:22:10,024 --> 00:22:14,584
Speaker 2: And she became this rom com comedy, box office magnet

477
00:22:14,704 --> 00:22:15,384
Speaker 2: leading lady.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I understand that because, like, I get it,

479
00:22:18,944 --> 00:22:20,744
Speaker 1: she's not the actress. The people thought that she would

480
00:22:20,784 --> 00:22:23,904
Speaker 1: be same as Jlo, right, Like Selena was like, this

481
00:22:23,944 --> 00:22:26,104
Speaker 1: is a star, yeah, and then she says they meeting

482
00:22:26,224 --> 00:22:28,504
Speaker 1: men have the actress yeah, and they're like, that's not

483
00:22:28,584 --> 00:22:30,464
Speaker 1: what a real actress would do. And I get it

484
00:22:30,504 --> 00:22:33,624
Speaker 1: because it's true. Yes, like they've diverged from that sort

485
00:22:33,664 --> 00:22:37,024
Speaker 1: of prestigious realm. But I still am just like they're

486
00:22:37,024 --> 00:22:39,304
Speaker 1: a star to me, So I like it. But I

487
00:22:39,304 --> 00:22:42,144
Speaker 1: do understand that in an Oscar sense, Yeah, this is

488
00:22:42,184 --> 00:22:44,904
Speaker 1: they're an underdog. It's weird and it's a common actresses

489
00:22:44,944 --> 00:22:47,704
Speaker 1: get to do both. But I almost think like, is

490
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Speaker 1: it better in a way to go and be the

491
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Speaker 1: Hollywood leading lady? Yes, there are so many Yeah, I

492
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Speaker 1: actually think I think a few years ago I would

493
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Speaker 1: have said no, I'd want to be the Oscar winning actress.

494
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Speaker 1: I want to be the one whose name is on

495
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Speaker 1: like the iconic lists, and I want the industry to

496
00:23:02,624 --> 00:23:04,824
Speaker 1: think I was great. But now I think, would I

497
00:23:04,944 --> 00:23:07,984
Speaker 1: rather be the star of everyone's favorite movies? Like you

498
00:23:08,024 --> 00:23:10,304
Speaker 1: see Kate Hudson and you're just like, love that girl.

499
00:23:10,784 --> 00:23:13,184
Speaker 1: You have been part of the best moments of my life.

500
00:23:14,424 --> 00:23:17,584
Speaker 1: And I started the movies so many times and being

501
00:23:17,624 --> 00:23:20,064
Speaker 1: like I love you and yeah, And it's so funny

502
00:23:20,064 --> 00:23:22,864
Speaker 1: because like it's almost like Emma Stone, as an example,

503
00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:23,584
Speaker 1: went the other way.

504
00:23:23,584 --> 00:23:26,224
Speaker 2: Because when Emma Stone came onto the scene, it felt

505
00:23:26,264 --> 00:23:29,064
Speaker 2: like she was going to be gearing up for Yeah.

506
00:23:29,104 --> 00:23:31,064
Speaker 2: It was like easy A and all those kind of

507
00:23:31,224 --> 00:23:33,224
Speaker 2: and you know, all those kind of comedies. It felt

508
00:23:33,224 --> 00:23:36,464
Speaker 2: like she was going to be the big screen box

509
00:23:36,544 --> 00:23:40,864
Speaker 2: office hit comedy queen. And then she completely veered the

510
00:23:40,864 --> 00:23:43,904
Speaker 2: other way and has now gone into doing only these

511
00:23:43,984 --> 00:23:48,504
Speaker 2: kind of very small, low budget dramatic roles. And she

512
00:23:48,584 --> 00:23:50,944
Speaker 2: makes movies to be fair that like we see them, yeah,

513
00:23:50,944 --> 00:23:52,584
Speaker 2: but I don't think most people see a lot of

514
00:23:52,584 --> 00:23:54,784
Speaker 2: these movies she's been in lately. But she's won two

515
00:23:54,864 --> 00:23:56,904
Speaker 2: Oscars exactly.

516
00:23:56,464 --> 00:23:59,144
Speaker 1: And it's the same as jylaw Right, like Jennifer Lawrence

517
00:23:59,144 --> 00:24:01,384
Speaker 1: and Everstone, two besties who did the same sort of thing,

518
00:24:01,424 --> 00:24:03,744
Speaker 1: came up in these really like high profile roles, like

519
00:24:03,784 --> 00:24:07,024
Speaker 1: blockbuster situations. Obviously with jaylaw there was Winter's Bone and

520
00:24:07,024 --> 00:24:10,104
Speaker 1: that was more Indian Oscar worthy, but then they very

521
00:24:10,184 --> 00:24:13,144
Speaker 1: quick We're like, no, no where, serious actors. And obviously that

522
00:24:13,184 --> 00:24:15,544
Speaker 1: has worked really well for them. Everyone still loves them,

523
00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:18,304
Speaker 1: like every red carpet they do or interview, their charm

524
00:24:18,304 --> 00:24:21,304
Speaker 1: and their personality comes through. But people are crying out

525
00:24:21,304 --> 00:24:24,744
Speaker 1: for those women to be in a blockbuster. I knowone

526
00:24:24,864 --> 00:24:27,504
Speaker 1: wants so bad, but we're like, we respect you anyway.

527
00:24:27,544 --> 00:24:29,504
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah exactly.

528
00:24:29,544 --> 00:24:31,464
Speaker 2: It's like once you do your franchise and like they

529
00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:33,064
Speaker 2: tick that off the list and they now can just

530
00:24:33,144 --> 00:24:35,704
Speaker 2: make their indie movies. So this movie that Kate Hudson

531
00:24:35,864 --> 00:24:38,744
Speaker 2: is apparently only nominated for for an Oscar is called

532
00:24:39,224 --> 00:24:42,584
Speaker 2: Song Sung Blue, and it's with Hugh Jackman, and so

533
00:24:42,624 --> 00:24:44,424
Speaker 2: you know, it's got the whole trail a little.

534
00:24:44,904 --> 00:24:48,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, the trailer looks I'd love it, but yeah, I

535
00:24:48,224 --> 00:24:51,064
Speaker 1: know the comments were me no, but the report again,

536
00:24:51,104 --> 00:24:53,904
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. The reports, the reviews of her.

537
00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,984
Speaker 2: Performance like this is one of the greatest things we've

538
00:24:55,984 --> 00:24:59,464
Speaker 2: ever seen. It transcends movie making, it transcends storytelling.

539
00:24:59,464 --> 00:25:01,704
Speaker 1: I'm not even paraphra. That is no, literally, that is

540
00:25:01,704 --> 00:25:02,304
Speaker 1: what they're saying.

541
00:25:02,344 --> 00:25:06,344
Speaker 2: It's so crazy, apparently, and she is positioning herself again

542
00:25:06,344 --> 00:25:08,824
Speaker 2: a little bit like Jennifer Lopez is in the initial

543
00:25:09,264 --> 00:25:10,984
Speaker 2: for like golden globes and things, which can be a

544
00:25:10,984 --> 00:25:15,104
Speaker 2: springboard to oscars in the comedy musical section, which apparently

545
00:25:15,224 --> 00:25:17,744
Speaker 2: is going to create a hugely tight race between her

546
00:25:17,824 --> 00:25:20,784
Speaker 2: and Cynthia a revocals. She'll probably go out for best

547
00:25:20,104 --> 00:25:23,424
Speaker 2: and chase Infinity for one battle after another, so it's

548
00:25:23,464 --> 00:25:25,624
Speaker 2: going to be between the three of them. And then

549
00:25:25,744 --> 00:25:27,904
Speaker 2: just to finish up, the other little underdog name that's

550
00:25:27,904 --> 00:25:30,784
Speaker 2: been thrown into the mix and is under the banner

551
00:25:30,784 --> 00:25:32,664
Speaker 2: of won't someone give this girl a chance?

552
00:25:32,944 --> 00:25:35,544
Speaker 1: Is a little actress by the name of Julia Roberts.

553
00:25:35,584 --> 00:25:38,224
Speaker 1: Please when someone think of Julia, Well.

554
00:25:38,184 --> 00:25:39,984
Speaker 2: It's been more than twenty isn't She won her Oscar

555
00:25:40,024 --> 00:25:43,024
Speaker 2: for Erin Barrokovich and everyone is calling her performance and

556
00:25:43,064 --> 00:25:46,464
Speaker 2: after the hunt her best performance since Erin Barrokovitch, which

557
00:25:46,504 --> 00:25:48,184
Speaker 2: is a long time between drinks when you're one of

558
00:25:48,264 --> 00:25:50,304
Speaker 2: the most celebrated actresses in Hollywood.

559
00:25:50,504 --> 00:25:53,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I haven't gotten to see After the Hunt yet.

560
00:25:53,904 --> 00:25:55,584
Speaker 1: I'm really desperate to see it. I was away when

561
00:25:55,584 --> 00:25:58,984
Speaker 1: they were screenings, but she looks like just scary and

562
00:25:59,064 --> 00:26:02,024
Speaker 1: terrifying and amazing in the trailer alone. So I'm believing

563
00:26:02,064 --> 00:26:03,784
Speaker 1: all the hype. I'm believing all the abuse that this

564
00:26:03,824 --> 00:26:06,064
Speaker 1: is a stand up perform to her. Well, apparently it's

565
00:26:06,104 --> 00:26:08,624
Speaker 1: going to come down to her and Jennifer Lopez. That's

566
00:26:08,624 --> 00:26:10,264
Speaker 1: a crazy duo. I love that.

567
00:26:10,504 --> 00:26:13,224
Speaker 2: And even though obviously Julia Roberts has already won an Oscar,

568
00:26:13,264 --> 00:26:16,144
Speaker 2: so she doesn't have that complete underdog story that Jennifer.

569
00:26:16,144 --> 00:26:17,904
Speaker 2: The fact that we're using these words right avs it

570
00:26:17,944 --> 00:26:20,344
Speaker 2: was crazy. But this is how crazy the oscars are,

571
00:26:20,424 --> 00:26:25,704
Speaker 2: Like they make successful, famous people look like the kind

572
00:26:25,704 --> 00:26:27,064
Speaker 2: of most struggling people.

573
00:26:27,064 --> 00:26:29,544
Speaker 1: And Demi Moore last year, right like that was the

574
00:26:29,584 --> 00:26:31,624
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's a comeback for Demi Moore, and she

575
00:26:31,744 --> 00:26:34,264
Speaker 1: positioned it that way. It was all throughout the substance

576
00:26:34,304 --> 00:26:36,944
Speaker 1: press run. But like, no, she's just a really successful

577
00:26:36,984 --> 00:26:40,024
Speaker 1: person still being successful. But I get where it comes from.

578
00:26:40,024 --> 00:26:42,344
Speaker 1: I understand was the story she was telling me that

579
00:26:42,384 --> 00:26:43,984
Speaker 1: whenever she won, she got up on stage and be

580
00:26:43,984 --> 00:26:46,104
Speaker 1: like everyone overlooked me, no one believed me. I've never

581
00:26:46,144 --> 00:26:47,664
Speaker 1: been given a chance. I was told it was a

582
00:26:47,664 --> 00:26:50,264
Speaker 1: popcorn actress, and now I'm a real actress. And I

583
00:26:50,384 --> 00:26:52,544
Speaker 1: feel like that carried her all the way through to

584
00:26:52,624 --> 00:26:55,224
Speaker 1: nearly winning the Oscar, of having that story. And so

585
00:26:55,264 --> 00:26:57,824
Speaker 1: now Julia Roberts's story with After the Hunt is that

586
00:26:58,144 --> 00:26:59,984
Speaker 1: after she won that Oscar, she was sort of meant

587
00:27:00,024 --> 00:27:02,384
Speaker 1: to go from being a comedic leading lady to a

588
00:27:02,464 --> 00:27:04,784
Speaker 1: dramatic leading lady, and people thought she would have won

589
00:27:04,824 --> 00:27:07,064
Speaker 1: another Oscar by now, and so this is kind of

590
00:27:07,064 --> 00:27:09,424
Speaker 1: seen as her career comeback, yea, even though I'm sure

591
00:27:09,464 --> 00:27:12,224
Speaker 1: she wouldn't see it that way. Yeah, it's so interesting

592
00:27:12,304 --> 00:27:15,224
Speaker 1: because that popcorn actress thing really sold me on. Like

593
00:27:15,464 --> 00:27:17,304
Speaker 1: it's obvious all the time, but the double standard for

594
00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:20,064
Speaker 1: women in Hollywood, because you've got Matthew McConaughey starring in

595
00:27:20,064 --> 00:27:23,064
Speaker 1: Bloody Fool's Gold and then winning Oscars and then going

596
00:27:23,104 --> 00:27:25,344
Speaker 1: back to silly movies and then doing great things again,

597
00:27:25,464 --> 00:27:28,304
Speaker 1: like men are allowed to have these varied careers of

598
00:27:28,344 --> 00:27:30,584
Speaker 1: like the highbrow and the lowbrow, but when the women

599
00:27:30,904 --> 00:27:33,144
Speaker 1: do it all like, because Julia Roberts has done many

600
00:27:33,224 --> 00:27:35,784
Speaker 1: highbrow things in this time period that maybe she wasn't

601
00:27:35,824 --> 00:27:40,184
Speaker 1: nominated for, but they were very like artiste, artistic things

602
00:27:40,664 --> 00:27:43,264
Speaker 1: like it still is seen as a comeback story because

603
00:27:43,304 --> 00:27:45,664
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you didn't win, so therefore, like it

604
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,904
Speaker 1: wasn't a success, but the men are allowed to kind

605
00:27:47,944 --> 00:27:50,584
Speaker 1: of bounce around the genres of It's fine exactly, So

606
00:27:50,704 --> 00:27:54,584
Speaker 1: I support all of these comeback stories, these underdog women

607
00:27:54,624 --> 00:27:56,744
Speaker 1: who you know, the poor gals. Won't someone think of

608
00:27:56,784 --> 00:28:01,024
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts as you said, Well, speaking of movies, it'll

609
00:28:01,024 --> 00:28:04,144
Speaker 1: be dominating the Oscars this year. Wicked for Good is

610
00:28:04,304 --> 00:28:06,784
Speaker 1: going to be in our screens very very soon. And

611
00:28:07,144 --> 00:28:10,064
Speaker 1: even though it was nominated last year because the original

612
00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:13,664
Speaker 1: Broadway production was split into two movies, which I, as

613
00:28:13,664 --> 00:28:16,024
Speaker 1: the world's biggest Wicked fan, was personally against when I

614
00:28:16,064 --> 00:28:18,384
Speaker 1: heard it. But when I sat through the two and

615
00:28:18,384 --> 00:28:21,384
Speaker 1: a half hours of that first movie sobbing uncontrollably, I

616
00:28:21,464 --> 00:28:23,504
Speaker 1: was like, this was the right call. It was, And

617
00:28:23,584 --> 00:28:25,704
Speaker 1: also like, this year's gone so fast anyway, I couldn't

618
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,944
Speaker 1: tell you a single thing that happened so like Wicked

619
00:28:28,144 --> 00:28:31,184
Speaker 1: Part two, here we are. I'm fine, Like I didn't

620
00:28:31,184 --> 00:28:32,784
Speaker 1: feel it, you know, that was the big worry, Like

621
00:28:32,864 --> 00:28:35,544
Speaker 1: what if you get bored between the two films? Like

622
00:28:35,584 --> 00:28:37,864
Speaker 1: now I'm good, Well, I'm excited. We did not. So

623
00:28:38,064 --> 00:28:38,984
Speaker 1: as we're sort.

624
00:28:38,784 --> 00:28:41,064
Speaker 2: Of moving into like the launch period and where like

625
00:28:41,064 --> 00:28:42,784
Speaker 2: the cast is about to start doing you know, all

626
00:28:42,784 --> 00:28:45,384
Speaker 2: the big premieres and start doing press again, They've all

627
00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:48,184
Speaker 2: started posting different things to their social accounts for the

628
00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:48,624
Speaker 2: build up.

629
00:28:49,024 --> 00:28:51,064
Speaker 1: One question has risen up.

630
00:28:51,144 --> 00:28:53,824
Speaker 2: And I know that I'm absolute trash for talking about this,

631
00:28:54,144 --> 00:28:56,784
Speaker 2: but you know, light and shade on this podcast. The

632
00:28:56,864 --> 00:29:03,744
Speaker 2: question is, is the very infamous and polarizing love story

633
00:29:03,784 --> 00:29:07,504
Speaker 2: that came from filming of Wicked is that relationship over?

634
00:29:07,584 --> 00:29:10,984
Speaker 2: And that is of course between Ariana Grande who played

635
00:29:11,024 --> 00:29:13,904
Speaker 2: Glinda and Ethan Slater who played Bok.

636
00:29:15,704 --> 00:29:18,344
Speaker 1: Super forwarding question, do you want to tell the listeners

637
00:29:18,384 --> 00:29:20,144
Speaker 1: what you felt in your heart of hearts when you

638
00:29:20,144 --> 00:29:22,824
Speaker 1: saw the two of them at the premiere in Sydney. No,

639
00:29:22,864 --> 00:29:24,104
Speaker 1: it wasn't the premiere.

640
00:29:25,144 --> 00:29:29,944
Speaker 2: This is amazing, so when this story came out that

641
00:29:30,584 --> 00:29:33,144
Speaker 2: let me just explain what led to this because it's

642
00:29:33,144 --> 00:29:35,824
Speaker 2: not great. So they both cast the movie That's all

643
00:29:35,864 --> 00:29:38,944
Speaker 2: fun and good and a fun time. Ariana Grande at

644
00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:42,264
Speaker 2: the time is married to Normy Dalton Gomez. Yes, and

645
00:29:42,424 --> 00:29:46,104
Speaker 2: they had that very very chic wedding, remember that very chic.

646
00:29:46,224 --> 00:29:48,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're unexpected too, because they had started dating in

647
00:29:48,824 --> 00:29:51,424
Speaker 1: COVID So that was like, here's our wedding chic. Yeah,

648
00:29:51,424 --> 00:29:53,224
Speaker 1: because I've been together for a few years but out

649
00:29:53,224 --> 00:29:54,384
Speaker 1: of the public eye.

650
00:29:54,424 --> 00:29:55,984
Speaker 2: So people were like, oh my god. And they had

651
00:29:56,104 --> 00:29:57,744
Speaker 2: just had it at their home and she had the

652
00:29:57,784 --> 00:30:01,064
Speaker 2: beautiful little like shoulder length poofy veil and it was

653
00:30:01,144 --> 00:30:03,104
Speaker 2: and just the flowers hanging from the roof.

654
00:30:03,184 --> 00:30:05,784
Speaker 1: It was chic. And she was the biggest platform here

655
00:30:05,864 --> 00:30:07,864
Speaker 1: and she was still shorter than him. That's a dream. Yeah,

656
00:30:07,984 --> 00:30:10,264
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'd love to be that tiny. Just

657
00:30:10,624 --> 00:30:12,544
Speaker 1: who wish it was this fun. Well, that's the.

658
00:30:12,544 --> 00:30:15,024
Speaker 2: Takeaway from this second, that is. And then also cast

659
00:30:15,064 --> 00:30:17,664
Speaker 2: in the movie was Broadway star Ethan.

660
00:30:17,464 --> 00:30:18,984
Speaker 1: Slater, also known as SpongeBob.

661
00:30:19,224 --> 00:30:22,584
Speaker 2: Yes, because he played SpongeBob in the Broadway production of

662
00:30:22,744 --> 00:30:25,384
Speaker 2: SpongeBob SquarePants exactly, which I'm sad that I missed, but

663
00:30:25,384 --> 00:30:27,144
Speaker 2: I've heard his great in it, heard good things, but

664
00:30:27,184 --> 00:30:29,064
Speaker 2: people really loved him because they're like, you know, it's

665
00:30:29,104 --> 00:30:31,504
Speaker 2: great to have a proper Broadway start in the movie.

666
00:30:31,544 --> 00:30:33,544
Speaker 2: He had gotten a lot of rave reviews for his

667
00:30:33,584 --> 00:30:36,664
Speaker 2: performances prior, and people also thought it was really sweet

668
00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:39,384
Speaker 2: that he was married to his high school sweetheart, Lily J.

669
00:30:39,664 --> 00:30:41,224
Speaker 2: They had just welcomed to baby, who I think was

670
00:30:41,224 --> 00:30:43,384
Speaker 2: a toddler at the time. They were going to film.

671
00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:45,024
Speaker 2: There was heaps of photos of the cast going out

672
00:30:45,024 --> 00:30:47,424
Speaker 2: to dinner. It was very lovely, and until it came

673
00:30:47,464 --> 00:30:51,664
Speaker 2: out that Ariana Grande and Dalton Gomez were divorcing, and

674
00:30:51,704 --> 00:30:55,144
Speaker 2: Ethan Slater and Lily J were also divorcing, and there

675
00:30:55,144 --> 00:30:58,424
Speaker 2: were all those rumors around they were together, but at

676
00:30:58,424 --> 00:30:59,784
Speaker 2: first one really believed it.

677
00:30:59,784 --> 00:31:02,704
Speaker 1: It seems like too crazy. Yeah, it was crazy because

678
00:31:02,704 --> 00:31:06,184
Speaker 1: I remember vividly because arion Ja went to Wimbledon with

679
00:31:06,304 --> 00:31:09,904
Speaker 1: Jonathan Bailey and she wasn't wearing her ring and everyone went,

680
00:31:09,944 --> 00:31:13,024
Speaker 1: wait what, and people started reporting that she was dating Jonathan.

681
00:31:13,664 --> 00:31:15,784
Speaker 1: It was like, guys, I don't think I don't think

682
00:31:15,824 --> 00:31:17,424
Speaker 1: that's happened. I'm sure she'd be in love with him.

683
00:31:17,424 --> 00:31:19,264
Speaker 1: I don't think he's in love with that. We'd all

684
00:31:19,264 --> 00:31:21,424
Speaker 1: love to dream, we'd all love to dream dating that

685
00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:24,544
Speaker 1: we could be with Jonathan, but it was like, I

686
00:31:24,584 --> 00:31:27,064
Speaker 1: think they're broken up, and then very shortly after it

687
00:31:27,144 --> 00:31:29,464
Speaker 1: was I think she's dating that redhead guy from Wicked

688
00:31:29,464 --> 00:31:30,904
Speaker 1: who just divorced his wife.

689
00:31:30,624 --> 00:31:32,624
Speaker 2: Too, And then it came out that she was indeed

690
00:31:32,704 --> 00:31:36,624
Speaker 2: dating SpongeBob Bock, And there was a lot of anger

691
00:31:36,744 --> 00:31:39,624
Speaker 2: around that from people, which I understand. Yeah, but you know,

692
00:31:39,664 --> 00:31:42,104
Speaker 2: there was a lot of questions around timelines of like

693
00:31:42,304 --> 00:31:44,904
Speaker 2: had they gotten together while filming was happening. They both

694
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,704
Speaker 2: said they're both had relationships were over long before it happened,

695
00:31:48,104 --> 00:31:50,104
Speaker 2: but there was a lot of questions around that. Arianna,

696
00:31:50,144 --> 00:31:52,864
Speaker 2: of course, being the woman, got very unfairly like the

697
00:31:52,904 --> 00:31:54,704
Speaker 2: brunt of the public outcry.

698
00:31:54,744 --> 00:31:57,384
Speaker 1: And I think because of some things that happened in

699
00:31:57,384 --> 00:32:00,384
Speaker 1: her relationships when she was younger, particularly with like Big Sean,

700
00:32:00,544 --> 00:32:02,904
Speaker 1: which is written about by Nira Vara in her book, Like,

701
00:32:03,224 --> 00:32:06,504
Speaker 1: she had previously had situations where she had ended up

702
00:32:06,504 --> 00:32:08,904
Speaker 1: with someone who was already in a relationship with someone else.

703
00:32:08,944 --> 00:32:11,304
Speaker 1: She had some timelines that people were conflicting when she

704
00:32:11,384 --> 00:32:13,864
Speaker 1: was younger, and so she was painted with this brush

705
00:32:13,904 --> 00:32:16,184
Speaker 1: as like a home wrecker. Yeah, and then that was

706
00:32:16,384 --> 00:32:19,624
Speaker 1: very very intensely applied here exactly. And it didn't help

707
00:32:19,664 --> 00:32:23,944
Speaker 1: when Lily ethan Slater's ex wife, started also sharing her

708
00:32:24,024 --> 00:32:25,784
Speaker 1: side of the story to some extent. So she did

709
00:32:25,824 --> 00:32:28,064
Speaker 1: an interview with Page six where she said that Ariana

710
00:32:28,064 --> 00:32:31,104
Speaker 1: Grande was not a girl's girl and said that her

711
00:32:31,144 --> 00:32:35,544
Speaker 1: family had been collateral damage by her. I was nuts,

712
00:32:35,584 --> 00:32:38,184
Speaker 1: also very fair. If I'm Lily Jay in this situation,

713
00:32:38,264 --> 00:32:41,224
Speaker 1: I'm probably feeling the exact same way. I did. Think

714
00:32:41,264 --> 00:32:43,424
Speaker 1: it was wild to put the onus on her and

715
00:32:43,504 --> 00:32:45,464
Speaker 1: not her own husband in that quote. But I get

716
00:32:45,544 --> 00:32:47,424
Speaker 1: she was mad and that's her personal life. But to

717
00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:49,264
Speaker 1: be like, Ari's not a girl's girl and my family's

718
00:32:49,304 --> 00:32:51,984
Speaker 1: collateral damage. I think your husband did that.

719
00:32:52,584 --> 00:32:54,464
Speaker 2: I know, but I though I agree, I would be

720
00:32:54,544 --> 00:32:56,424
Speaker 2: about it. I'd be like, yeah, she's not a girl's girl,

721
00:32:56,424 --> 00:32:58,104
Speaker 2: which is the worst, and I felt say about.

722
00:32:57,864 --> 00:33:00,184
Speaker 1: Something awful for her. My god, because then it all

723
00:33:00,184 --> 00:33:01,944
Speaker 1: played out on a really public stage, oh exactly.

724
00:33:01,984 --> 00:33:03,824
Speaker 2: And that's something she remember how she released that personal

725
00:33:03,904 --> 00:33:07,464
Speaker 2: essay because she's a clinical psychologist in mental health and

726
00:33:07,544 --> 00:33:10,744
Speaker 2: child development, and she wrote this huge essay reflect on

727
00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:14,504
Speaker 2: how her divorce from Ethan Slater had impacted her both

728
00:33:14,544 --> 00:33:17,224
Speaker 2: personally and professionally, and it was meant to be more

729
00:33:17,224 --> 00:33:19,464
Speaker 2: of like a mental health essay, but obviously because it

730
00:33:19,504 --> 00:33:21,824
Speaker 2: was written about famous people who she didn't go into

731
00:33:21,824 --> 00:33:24,424
Speaker 2: details about them, but she did say that it was

732
00:33:24,504 --> 00:33:27,384
Speaker 2: really difficult to see the end of her marriage play

733
00:33:27,384 --> 00:33:29,824
Speaker 2: out as part of the Wicked press tour. Yeah, and

734
00:33:30,064 --> 00:33:32,064
Speaker 2: in the essay she said, no one gets married thinking

735
00:33:32,104 --> 00:33:33,944
Speaker 2: they'll get divorced in the same way we don't bought

736
00:33:33,944 --> 00:33:36,224
Speaker 2: a plane expecting a crash. But I never thought I

737
00:33:36,224 --> 00:33:38,264
Speaker 2: would get divorced, And then she went on to say

738
00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:42,224
Speaker 2: that especially not just after giving birth to my first child,

739
00:33:42,304 --> 00:33:44,744
Speaker 2: and especially not in the shadow of my husband's new

740
00:33:44,784 --> 00:33:48,944
Speaker 2: relationship with a celebrity. And Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater

741
00:33:49,024 --> 00:33:51,104
Speaker 2: have never gone into detail on that, but an interview

742
00:33:51,144 --> 00:33:54,664
Speaker 2: with Fatity Fair, Arianna did say that some of the

743
00:33:54,784 --> 00:33:58,144
Speaker 2: negativity around her was being spread by tabloids, so she

744
00:33:58,144 --> 00:34:00,664
Speaker 2: said it's not true and she's like, the most disappointing

745
00:34:00,704 --> 00:34:02,944
Speaker 2: part of having her new relationship be part of this

746
00:34:03,064 --> 00:34:06,224
Speaker 2: movie was to see so many people believe the worst

747
00:34:06,304 --> 00:34:08,944
Speaker 2: version of it. It was definitely a tough ride for her,

748
00:34:09,064 --> 00:34:11,224
Speaker 2: and she also really came out singing in defense of

749
00:34:11,304 --> 00:34:13,224
Speaker 2: Ethan in this profile, and so there couldn't be a

750
00:34:13,304 --> 00:34:16,064
Speaker 2: less accurate depiction of a human being and the one

751
00:34:16,104 --> 00:34:18,864
Speaker 2: the tabloids have spread about him saying that she won't

752
00:34:18,904 --> 00:34:21,944
Speaker 2: go into certain detail about what has happened, but saying

753
00:34:22,024 --> 00:34:23,504
Speaker 2: that everything we've been told is a lie.

754
00:34:23,544 --> 00:34:27,064
Speaker 1: Basically, she's so interesting because she also released her album

755
00:34:27,104 --> 00:34:29,504
Speaker 1: Eternal Sunshine in twenty twenty four and then the deluxe

756
00:34:29,584 --> 00:34:32,224
Speaker 1: version this year, which obviously has so many lyrics about

757
00:34:32,264 --> 00:34:35,344
Speaker 1: Dalton and then so many lyrics about Ethan, and one

758
00:34:35,384 --> 00:34:37,424
Speaker 1: of the lines in the song Hampstead, which is pretty

759
00:34:37,464 --> 00:34:39,224
Speaker 1: much about like the breakdown of her marriage in the

760
00:34:39,264 --> 00:34:41,904
Speaker 1: public eye. She was living in Hampstead when they filmed Wicked.

761
00:34:42,224 --> 00:34:44,064
Speaker 1: She has this line that's like I threw away my

762
00:34:44,144 --> 00:34:46,824
Speaker 1: reputation but saved us more heartache. I know it seems

763
00:34:46,824 --> 00:34:49,624
Speaker 1: fucked up, and you're right, but frankly, you're still wrong

764
00:34:49,624 --> 00:34:52,104
Speaker 1: about everything. And people think that's sort of a song

765
00:34:52,184 --> 00:34:54,344
Speaker 1: dedicated in a way to the fans to be like,

766
00:34:54,704 --> 00:34:56,864
Speaker 1: you are wrong and you're telling me who I am

767
00:34:56,864 --> 00:34:58,944
Speaker 1: as a person, But I know when I was there yeah,

768
00:34:59,024 --> 00:35:01,144
Speaker 1: and throughout the lyrics of all the songs, it kind

769
00:35:01,144 --> 00:35:04,864
Speaker 1: of pieces together that she either left the relationship or

770
00:35:04,904 --> 00:35:07,584
Speaker 1: he left her, but that their relationship was breaking down

771
00:35:07,624 --> 00:35:10,104
Speaker 1: for some time, and that it was not there was

772
00:35:10,184 --> 00:35:13,384
Speaker 1: no cheating or affair according to her version. Yeah, it's

773
00:35:13,424 --> 00:35:15,584
Speaker 1: so interesting to the timing all that, because I feel

774
00:35:15,624 --> 00:35:18,944
Speaker 1: like she would have been seen unfairly as a homewrecker

775
00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:20,824
Speaker 1: and he would have been seen as this dirtbag who

776
00:35:20,904 --> 00:35:23,584
Speaker 1: left his wife if it wasn't for the Wicked press tour,

777
00:35:23,664 --> 00:35:25,304
Speaker 1: because that could have gone very badly for them. But

778
00:35:25,304 --> 00:35:28,944
Speaker 1: it actually made people forget about all this sort of

779
00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:31,784
Speaker 1: drama that had happened to an extent and just start

780
00:35:31,864 --> 00:35:33,504
Speaker 1: fangirling over them as a couple.

781
00:35:33,744 --> 00:35:35,864
Speaker 2: Because even, like Ovi said, we had the first Wicked

782
00:35:35,904 --> 00:35:39,544
Speaker 2: premiere here in Sydney and they didn't walk through a

783
00:35:39,624 --> 00:35:42,144
Speaker 2: carpet together and they weren't speaking about each other, but

784
00:35:42,264 --> 00:35:45,504
Speaker 2: they did as they left the stage, they ran off

785
00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:47,864
Speaker 2: together and they held hands and I was like, oh,

786
00:35:47,904 --> 00:35:50,424
Speaker 2: it's so cute, two tiny little people running off stage.

787
00:35:50,624 --> 00:35:53,144
Speaker 2: But also everyone was like, how could she leave her

788
00:35:53,184 --> 00:35:53,904
Speaker 2: husband for him?

789
00:35:54,024 --> 00:35:58,064
Speaker 1: He's ugly? So it's so many Actually, there's so much

790
00:35:58,104 --> 00:36:00,744
Speaker 1: wrong with this. I was just like, yeah, yeah, everyone's

791
00:36:00,784 --> 00:36:02,344
Speaker 1: like it's really hard because at the center of it

792
00:36:02,384 --> 00:36:04,104
Speaker 1: there is a woman who had a baby who's been

793
00:36:04,184 --> 00:36:06,224
Speaker 1: left by her husband, and we feel for that woman,

794
00:36:06,344 --> 00:36:09,024
Speaker 1: but it's layered, it's layin. At the same time, we're

795
00:36:09,064 --> 00:36:10,944
Speaker 1: just like, who would date that ugly? And I was like,

796
00:36:10,984 --> 00:36:13,704
Speaker 1: everything about this conversation is the worst at Anyway, I

797
00:36:13,944 --> 00:36:16,704
Speaker 1: went to interview him the next day and I sat

798
00:36:16,704 --> 00:36:18,184
Speaker 1: in a room across from that man. Yeah, you have

799
00:36:18,304 --> 00:36:22,064
Speaker 1: to say, charming as hell, interesting, you gotta get it.

800
00:36:22,144 --> 00:36:23,624
Speaker 1: I was like, I came back to the office and

801
00:36:23,624 --> 00:36:26,864
Speaker 1: I was like, what was ethan slaterer like to interview?

802
00:36:26,904 --> 00:36:28,944
Speaker 1: And I was like, I get why you leave your

803
00:36:28,984 --> 00:36:31,984
Speaker 1: husband for him? He can sing, he's charismatic, he was

804
00:36:32,064 --> 00:36:34,224
Speaker 1: lovely and pleasant. He was self deprecating, but not in

805
00:36:34,264 --> 00:36:36,384
Speaker 1: a weird way. And that's only after like a ten

806
00:36:36,424 --> 00:36:39,744
Speaker 1: minute interaction. Yeah, you have to think they've been on set,

807
00:36:39,744 --> 00:36:43,944
Speaker 1: they're filming becoming friends. Is it bad and inappropriate that

808
00:36:44,224 --> 00:36:47,344
Speaker 1: they probably developed some feelings while still in relationships. Yeah,

809
00:36:47,384 --> 00:36:51,784
Speaker 1: that sucks for the other people. It happens, unfortunately, And

810
00:36:52,904 --> 00:36:55,344
Speaker 1: I don't know thing that's kind of got people talking now,

811
00:36:55,464 --> 00:37:00,024
Speaker 1: So their whole meeting and getting together actually happened many

812
00:37:00,104 --> 00:37:03,504
Speaker 1: years ago. Yes, because yeah, because they filmed Wicked a

813
00:37:03,544 --> 00:37:05,424
Speaker 1: few years ago, and also then they had to sort

814
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:06,584
Speaker 1: of slice the movie in half.

815
00:37:06,664 --> 00:37:09,584
Speaker 2: So if that's to be told, they've been together for

816
00:37:09,624 --> 00:37:12,104
Speaker 2: like well over three years now. And there's a few

817
00:37:12,144 --> 00:37:14,544
Speaker 2: different rumors that are popping up now as the next

818
00:37:14,584 --> 00:37:16,864
Speaker 2: Wicked movie is about to come out. The first one

819
00:37:16,944 --> 00:37:19,264
Speaker 2: is that they had a showmance on set and that

820
00:37:19,384 --> 00:37:22,424
Speaker 2: the story around them was so intense and it would

821
00:37:22,424 --> 00:37:24,544
Speaker 2: be more focused on their breakup if people knew they

822
00:37:24,544 --> 00:37:27,104
Speaker 2: were broken up, so they pretended to stay together for

823
00:37:27,144 --> 00:37:30,184
Speaker 2: the first press tour. Interesting, that's the first rumor the

824
00:37:30,224 --> 00:37:31,944
Speaker 2: second room that's come out, and a lot of this

825
00:37:31,984 --> 00:37:34,864
Speaker 2: has come from the MTV VMA's you Know how Ariana

826
00:37:34,944 --> 00:37:37,824
Speaker 2: one Video of the Year and all the family and friends.

827
00:37:37,824 --> 00:37:41,864
Speaker 1: There was no Ethans later. Yeah, I think that if

828
00:37:41,864 --> 00:37:43,944
Speaker 1: they're still together, I just don't think they'd be doing

829
00:37:43,984 --> 00:37:46,904
Speaker 1: that stuff anyway. I think given the scrutiny and the

830
00:37:46,904 --> 00:37:48,664
Speaker 1: fact they have a whole other film coming out. I

831
00:37:48,744 --> 00:37:51,784
Speaker 1: know that throughout part one it increasingly became like their'd

832
00:37:51,784 --> 00:37:53,944
Speaker 1: hold hands or she'd make sure that you know she

833
00:37:53,984 --> 00:37:55,944
Speaker 1: included him in a picture or like whatever it may be.

834
00:37:55,984 --> 00:37:58,784
Speaker 1: There were slight things that showed the relationship that they

835
00:37:58,784 --> 00:38:01,904
Speaker 1: weren't hiding it. But I also think if they're all together,

836
00:38:01,944 --> 00:38:04,024
Speaker 1: they would still feel like it's too soon publicly to

837
00:38:04,104 --> 00:38:07,104
Speaker 1: have a big moment at an awards show. Yeah, but

838
00:38:07,184 --> 00:38:09,264
Speaker 1: also like I do I get it right, it's weird

839
00:38:09,304 --> 00:38:11,184
Speaker 1: that he's not there in the behind the scenes pictures.

840
00:38:11,224 --> 00:38:13,304
Speaker 1: It's weird that he's not a dafter party, like it's like,

841
00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:15,144
Speaker 1: where's he? Then, well, that's a thing.

842
00:38:15,184 --> 00:38:16,864
Speaker 2: So people thought when he didn't go to that event

843
00:38:16,904 --> 00:38:19,104
Speaker 2: and celebrate her, that was a sign they've broken up.

844
00:38:19,144 --> 00:38:21,104
Speaker 2: They've always been careful not to really be out and

845
00:38:21,144 --> 00:38:23,104
Speaker 2: about and not get papped, just because of the scrutiny

846
00:38:23,104 --> 00:38:25,904
Speaker 2: around their relationship. But there's been a lot of instances

847
00:38:25,904 --> 00:38:28,584
Speaker 2: where they've been pictured solo now for like very long

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Speaker 2: periods of time which people think they have broken up.

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Speaker 2: They always share work things about each other on socials,

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Speaker 2: but that's also kind of bed to a cover. So

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00:38:36,224 --> 00:38:38,784
Speaker 2: now the two stories that are coming out are there's

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Speaker 2: one camp of people that's getting much louder that think

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Speaker 2: they have broken up. But they're keeping it under wraps

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Speaker 2: until this movie is out so that that breakup doesn't

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00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:49,624
Speaker 2: overshadow the press tour and also the Oscar campaign that's

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Speaker 2: around the movie.

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Speaker 1: All.

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Speaker 2: The other school of thought, which is wildly in the

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Speaker 2: different direction, is that they've actually been very much together

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Speaker 2: for nearly four years now and they are going to

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Speaker 2: get married two wildly different ways, two very different things.

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Speaker 2: I think the telling thing, maybe for me, is like

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Speaker 2: she's wiped her socials of.

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Speaker 1: Some of his presence. Interesting, there's been some posts that

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Speaker 1: have been removed featuring him, and like, I guess I

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Speaker 1: would see that as a sign that you've split.

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Speaker 2: That is usually what a busy celebs do. They wipe

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Speaker 2: their profiles once they spat with someone.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess if they're engaged. Oh God,

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Speaker 1: I sound really flippant and I'm aware about it. I'm

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00:39:28,664 --> 00:39:31,184
Speaker 1: no real information about this, and I think that's why

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00:39:31,184 --> 00:39:34,024
Speaker 1: people are digging so much at the moment. They're digging

873
00:39:34,064 --> 00:39:36,544
Speaker 1: to see. Like the other day, people were timing how

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Speaker 1: long it took Ariana Grande to like something that Ethan

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Speaker 1: had posted, and she liked it within the first twenty minutes,

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Speaker 1: and they were like Oh, that means they're together, and

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Speaker 1: someone else is like no, no, no, it means that she's like,

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00:39:47,424 --> 00:39:49,984
Speaker 1: was watching his Instagram and she's liking it to three people.

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Speaker 1: So that's how intense the fans are getting, which I

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00:39:52,384 --> 00:39:55,304
Speaker 1: think is making them eat more. They're being careful, you think.

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00:39:55,384 --> 00:39:57,424
Speaker 1: And yeah, and like like I said, I know I

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00:39:57,424 --> 00:39:59,704
Speaker 1: sound a bit flippant, but like, if they're happy and

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00:39:59,864 --> 00:40:02,424
Speaker 1: whatever and in love, I know that lots of horrible

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00:40:02,424 --> 00:40:03,984
Speaker 1: things had to happen for them to get there. But

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Speaker 1: like I guess, like, good for you guys, get engaged.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think. I mean, I'll

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Speaker 1: be interested to know either way, Like I think it's

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Speaker 1: normal human curiosity just to know. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But also, at the end of the day, I'm just

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Speaker 2: so excited for Wicked for good and I'm sure they'll

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Speaker 2: just make it through the press rounds and then I think,

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Speaker 2: I think we won't have an answer, and after the

893
00:40:21,624 --> 00:40:25,184
Speaker 2: dust settles with the Academy Award nominations, and after that

894
00:40:25,224 --> 00:40:29,144
Speaker 2: there's stakes in Wicked and that whole franchise will be done,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's when we'll see either way. Won't

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Speaker 2: get an answer till there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I do think we'll be able to dissect

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Speaker 1: enough from the press tour, right, because so many of

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00:40:37,664 --> 00:40:40,184
Speaker 1: those moments were just in things that fans caught yeah

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Speaker 1: last time, rather than like intentionally being in each other's

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00:40:44,384 --> 00:40:47,504
Speaker 1: like spaces. So if you know that, if there's no

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Speaker 1: pictures coming out of them secretly holding hands, there's no

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Speaker 1: pictures of them like sneaking away from a party together,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty telling. But either you're right, we won't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a bit of detective work is in store.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, well, thank you so much to everyone for

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Speaker 2: listening to this Spilltay, and thank you as always to

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Speaker 2: Tina for joining us and sharing your wisdom. Here feels

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