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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and Maya

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to Cancel, the

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Speaker 1: podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes and as science,

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Speaker 1: charges and sentences so we can all get on with

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Speaker 1: our lives. I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens.

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Speaker 1: And Claire, do you have a lazy girl story for

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Speaker 1: us today? I do it as a bit of a

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Speaker 1: personal one. All right, Okay, it's not what happens when

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Speaker 1: you haven't been through the well exactly. So we were

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Speaker 1: on holidays recently, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we were traveling

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Speaker 1: with an icon mom. Yeah. And Mom just had a

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Speaker 1: line which I thought would resonate a lot with lazy

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Speaker 1: were in the south of France and she had a

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Speaker 1: book in front of her. Yeah, she said, I could read.

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Speaker 1: I want to read, Yeah, but I prefer to be

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Speaker 1: on TikTok. And I just thought, wow, that's it, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: That's it. It's it, and it's not just about reading,

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Speaker 1: I could be working, but I'd rather be on, But

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be on TikTok. And I thought, it's just

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Speaker 1: one of those moments where somebody says the unsaid lazy.

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Speaker 1: She's a lazy girl. There is something really liberating about

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Speaker 1: the other day. You know. I found myself with an

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Speaker 1: myself intentionally walking towards my bedroom, getting into my bed

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Speaker 1: and going, we're gonna have some TikTok uninterrupted TikTok time.

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Speaker 1: There was a meme going around that was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what's your bedtime routine? These are the nine evidence based

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Speaker 1: things that I've built into my routine. I followed the

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Speaker 1: perfect nighttime routine. Welcome to my night routine. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: ninety minutes of TikTok, That's what it is. Nineteen minutes

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Speaker 1: before I'm going to go to sleep. I get up

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Speaker 1: myself and any sense of time. It's funny because I

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Speaker 1: always say I'm not a routine person. I can't do routine. Well,

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Speaker 1: the one part of my routine that doesn't labor. It's

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Speaker 1: hours and I'm talking our hours. Yeah. Everyone says, oh,

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Speaker 1: you've got time to excite. No, I don'ry. I'm busy.

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Speaker 1: I don't have time. Well, because I got TikTok. Time

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Speaker 1: very important, always and sacred. You are about to enter

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Speaker 1: the canceled courtroom. The defendants are celebrities, the chargers are petty,

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Speaker 1: the rulings are final. Today we're talking about zach Efron.

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Speaker 1: This could be the start with something news. What a

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Speaker 1: weird right, Maybe the world could be so I just

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Speaker 1: woke up and fucking jailed. What a budget penises on

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Speaker 1: my forehead. Frost before hose right, yeah, man, junk before truck.

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Speaker 1: Zachary David Alexander E. Fro Such a hot night, sir,

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Speaker 1: I challenge you to have another. First name was born

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven in California. In high school, Efron

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Speaker 1: described himself as having been the class clown, I believe it,

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Speaker 1: and there he started singing lessons. He started acting in

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Speaker 1: the early two thousands, and one of his first roles

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Speaker 1: was in one of the greatest medical dramas of all time.

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Speaker 1: Er here are some irrelevant and blurry images. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You know he's on the table, and then the second

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Speaker 1: image is him with the doctor from me are Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they have recently reunited in the Iron Clare because she

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, because in Iron Claw I was like,

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Speaker 1: where do I know that woman? The turning point for

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Speaker 1: zac Efron came in two thousand and six with a

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Speaker 1: teen musical television film called High School Musical. This Something

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Speaker 1: get to. He then start in Hairspray before doing High

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Speaker 1: School Musical two, followed seen every Zach from movie No

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Speaker 1: prom is wherever you are. Some of his other movies

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Speaker 1: include Bad Neighbors. You've seen that, Bad Babies too. You've

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Speaker 1: most legendary rager of all time. I'm talking even bigger

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Speaker 1: than last year's White Trash Bash. Have you seen Baywatch? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I never watched it. Okay, The Greatest Showman. You've watched that?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to protect with God. Oh, try to protect

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Speaker 1: us with wrestling. And have you seen a family affair?

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Speaker 1: Is that brand new? Yeah, you haven't seen on my Netflix.

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Speaker 1: with zac Efron, but like you definitely haven't seen that

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Speaker 1: into it, Claire, I just wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 1: like say, having met zach Efron or anything of that.

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Speaker 1: I reckon. I've mentioned it on this podcast close through

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Speaker 1: He was doing greatest showman. I interviewed zach Efron and Zendia.

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Speaker 1: Zach Efron is one of the most beautiful people I've

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Speaker 1: ever sat opposite. Elaborate it's his eyes for me and

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Speaker 1: reachhare the video because speaking of lazy girl, one thing

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Speaker 1: It sucks because he would with and front And it's

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Speaker 1: the worst because that clip went viral because some fan

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Speaker 1: I've seen the video of the body slam, did you

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Speaker 1: guys any just really cringe worthy, embarrassing moment. That's one

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Speaker 1: of the things about being a part of the musical

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Speaker 1: You have to get rid of the fear of looking stupid. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: my questions. But I think I've said on this podcast before, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Where Zach? And you were like it even is? And

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Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoyed the greatest showman. I also think he's funny.

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Speaker 1: human My structure for today is as follows, High School

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Speaker 1: Musical and an Awkward Truth, A condom and a red carpet,

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Speaker 1: an altercation with a homeless man, the film New Year's Eve,

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Speaker 1: making the worst serial killer of all time, sexually arousing,

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Speaker 1: and finally face high School Musical and an Awkward Truth.

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Speaker 1: In January two thousand and six, High School Musical debuts

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Speaker 1: on the Disney Channel, and many say it's a modern

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Speaker 1: adaptation of Romeo and juliet Ah. The film became an

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Speaker 1: enormous success with these young people with their singing and

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Speaker 1: a high school musical and it's great. It was really great.

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Speaker 1: I've never watched it. It's the music for me. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not zac Efron's voy what that's Drew's voice, which

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Speaker 1: begs the question, who the fuck is Drew? Drew, Yes,

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Speaker 1: not Zach's voice. Drew Seeley is a lovely young man

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Speaker 1: who loves to sing. He has been in some musicals

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Speaker 1: and some television and movies. But Zach. Everyone can sing.

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Speaker 1: Zac Efron can sing, so why didn't they use his voice. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting okay. Sorry, I'm just okay, Efron said later

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Speaker 1: I'm very fortunate that Drew has gotten proper credit, and

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Speaker 1: also that I've gotten the opportunity to come back and

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Speaker 1: songs I've written for TENA, which is high. Yeah. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Drew tried out and he missed it. Yeah, Drew's pretty proud.

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Speaker 1: that when I went to Drew's Wikipedia, I'm not being mean,

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Speaker 1: I just don't feel like he's Dak Cavron. He did though,

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Speaker 1: and he'll have, you know, help with the lyrics for

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Speaker 1: very gets your head. It's get your head in the game.

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Speaker 1: Drew's like, well, I didn't see Efron a lot because

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Speaker 1: I was there when he wasn't there. Make that lip

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Speaker 1: be a dance break. It stole the film for him,

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00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:16,349
Speaker 1: so everyone leaves going terrible film. Great Dan, I really

415
00:24:16,469 --> 00:24:19,549
Speaker 1: liked that. Raise a glass. Yeah, that was fun. That

416
00:24:19,749 --> 00:24:21,389
Speaker 1: was fun at the end, and it goes through the

417
00:24:21,389 --> 00:24:24,429
Speaker 1: whole cast and it's like, and Michelle Phiffer is like,

418
00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:26,669
Speaker 1: you know, over the age of forty, so she's basically

419
00:24:26,669 --> 00:24:29,669
Speaker 1: got a walking stick. Then it's like, how lucky is

420
00:24:29,709 --> 00:24:31,949
Speaker 1: she that zac Efron is doing a jig in front

421
00:24:31,949 --> 00:24:35,029
Speaker 1: of her and so sexy. It was just a high

422
00:24:35,069 --> 00:24:36,789
Speaker 1: for him because he wasn't playing a four year old.

423
00:24:37,149 --> 00:24:41,189
Speaker 1: His voice isn't dubbed, he wasn't dropping a condoc making

424
00:24:41,229 --> 00:24:45,149
Speaker 1: the worst serial killer of all time arousing zac Efron

425
00:24:45,229 --> 00:24:49,069
Speaker 1: is hot, beautiful, sexy and as aforementioned arousing. Ted Bundy

426
00:24:49,109 --> 00:24:52,429
Speaker 1: was an American serial killer who kidnapped, raped, and murdered

427
00:24:52,429 --> 00:24:55,069
Speaker 1: dozens of young women and girls in the nineteen seventies.

428
00:24:55,309 --> 00:24:58,349
Speaker 1: He confessed to thirty murders, but the true number is

429
00:24:58,389 --> 00:25:02,669
Speaker 1: not known, and in twenty nineteen, director Joe Berlinger, who

430
00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:06,949
Speaker 1: is fascinated by Bundy, released a film called Extremely Wicked,

431
00:25:07,069 --> 00:25:10,709
Speaker 1: Shockingly Evil and Vile, starring Zac Efron as a sea killer.

432
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:12,589
Speaker 1: It took me over a decade to look at this

433
00:25:12,629 --> 00:25:20,349
Speaker 1: phoow what happened to her head? She was still positive,

434
00:25:20,429 --> 00:25:25,389
Speaker 1: in the words to animals, could have conceivably done something

435
00:25:25,469 --> 00:25:29,149
Speaker 1: like animals, don't do that. I'm not a bad guy.

436
00:25:29,589 --> 00:25:33,589
Speaker 1: Seen it, seen it. Efron was also a producer. Talk

437
00:25:33,629 --> 00:25:35,549
Speaker 1: to me about it because I haven't seen it. Actually,

438
00:25:35,589 --> 00:25:38,589
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it. No, you've actually seen it every

439
00:25:39,109 --> 00:25:43,749
Speaker 1: every day. No, it's good. Well, there was a lot

440
00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:46,749
Speaker 1: of criticism. Do you recall the criticism at the time. No,

441
00:25:46,989 --> 00:25:49,269
Speaker 1: that was everywhere. I remember everywhere. Wrote an opinion piece

442
00:25:49,349 --> 00:25:51,709
Speaker 1: and it was summed up by the Washington Post, who

443
00:25:51,789 --> 00:25:55,349
Speaker 1: said the film failed to distance itself from the glorification

444
00:25:55,429 --> 00:25:59,149
Speaker 1: of Bundy. The point was, according to critics, that Bundy

445
00:25:59,229 --> 00:26:01,589
Speaker 1: was hot, so no one could believe he would be

446
00:26:01,709 --> 00:26:05,389
Speaker 1: capable of such a barrn crime. But like, yes, and

447
00:26:05,429 --> 00:26:07,109
Speaker 1: that was the vibe of the film, But that was

448
00:26:07,149 --> 00:26:09,789
Speaker 1: also the vibe of Ted Bundy in real life. Yes,

449
00:26:09,829 --> 00:26:13,309
Speaker 1: But their point was that the film was therefore unable

450
00:26:13,429 --> 00:26:16,389
Speaker 1: to do justice to the sheer volume of horror, and

451
00:26:16,429 --> 00:26:18,269
Speaker 1: that the fact he was hot in ordinary and blah

452
00:26:18,269 --> 00:26:20,509
Speaker 1: blah blah. It was like the dominant narrative at the time.

453
00:26:20,989 --> 00:26:23,309
Speaker 1: It was like it was broadcast and all these women

454
00:26:23,309 --> 00:26:25,469
Speaker 1: were looking at it, going, look, he's gorgeous, blah blah blah.

455
00:26:25,509 --> 00:26:28,669
Speaker 1: It's like you're telling the same story we've already heard.

456
00:26:29,349 --> 00:26:33,429
Speaker 1: Rather than doing any justice to any of his victims,

457
00:26:33,589 --> 00:26:35,389
Speaker 1: I know what they mean, we moved past him. Yeah.

458
00:26:35,429 --> 00:26:38,669
Speaker 1: Efron's performance was criticized because he didn't possess the malice

459
00:26:38,749 --> 00:26:42,349
Speaker 1: required and it sort of just perpetuated the stereotypes that

460
00:26:42,349 --> 00:26:44,749
Speaker 1: the press did during Yeah, like he got the hot

461
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:49,029
Speaker 1: part right. Yeah. But actually, even when I think about it,

462
00:26:49,709 --> 00:26:52,749
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they showed the violence and

463
00:26:52,829 --> 00:26:54,789
Speaker 1: the horror. No, I don't think they did. No, it

464
00:26:54,829 --> 00:26:56,349
Speaker 1: was more like he's a normal guy who lives with

465
00:26:56,389 --> 00:26:59,309
Speaker 1: his wife. I think part Yeah, if you had a

466
00:26:59,349 --> 00:27:01,509
Speaker 1: relative that was killed by Ted Bundy, you'd be furious.

467
00:27:01,509 --> 00:27:03,909
Speaker 1: You'd be like, Yeah, it was very like he's a

468
00:27:03,949 --> 00:27:06,749
Speaker 1: new heart throat film. By the way, beat dubs it's

469
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:11,829
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy. Yeah, read this tweet. It's a picture of

470
00:27:12,029 --> 00:27:14,309
Speaker 1: Zac Efron. Look I actually didn't think he was at

471
00:27:14,309 --> 00:27:17,629
Speaker 1: his hottest in this he was playing Ted Bundy. No, no,

472
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:19,869
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't really his style. Like his hair

473
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:23,069
Speaker 1: was like curled and he had bow ties and stuff.

474
00:27:23,229 --> 00:27:25,269
Speaker 1: It's a tweet that says, Hi, I'm Ted Bundy and

475
00:27:25,309 --> 00:27:28,229
Speaker 1: you're watching disney Town. It's a confusing pivot. It's a

476
00:27:28,229 --> 00:27:32,589
Speaker 1: confusing pivot. This very much is what the vibe was.

477
00:27:32,709 --> 00:27:35,549
Speaker 1: Read that tweet, I feel so bad for the families

478
00:27:35,549 --> 00:27:37,269
Speaker 1: of the victims that have to sit there and see

479
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:41,229
Speaker 1: their terrors revived as a witty, romantic thriller. Yeah, and

480
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:44,469
Speaker 1: then read this tweet down the bottom Ted Bundy rapes

481
00:27:44,669 --> 00:27:48,069
Speaker 1: murders and estimated one hundred sex workers and child You're

482
00:27:48,349 --> 00:27:50,469
Speaker 1: but we need to see his charismatic side. Oh my god.

483
00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:53,549
Speaker 1: Plus he was so hot. Yeah, okay that And look

484
00:27:54,109 --> 00:27:57,429
Speaker 1: I looked at images of Zac Efron next to Ted Bundy,

485
00:27:58,149 --> 00:28:00,309
Speaker 1: and I know it isn't the point of the podcast.

486
00:28:00,589 --> 00:28:04,509
Speaker 1: It's just it's just Ted Bundy wasn't hot. Absolutely no resemblance.

487
00:28:05,109 --> 00:28:08,789
Speaker 1: I mean, but then again, that happens with like generations,

488
00:28:09,069 --> 00:28:11,149
Speaker 1: I know, But I just I think we've really over

489
00:28:11,189 --> 00:28:14,269
Speaker 1: egged how hot Ted Bundy was I've often thought that. Anyway,

490
00:28:14,349 --> 00:28:16,629
Speaker 1: I sort of agree with you that Twitter missed the

491
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:19,069
Speaker 1: point a little bit. Like the film was obviously meant

492
00:28:19,109 --> 00:28:21,909
Speaker 1: to contrast the charisma and the ordinariness with what the

493
00:28:21,989 --> 00:28:25,869
Speaker 1: guy did. And zac Efron was a producer, so he

494
00:28:25,949 --> 00:28:28,829
Speaker 1: knew what he was trying to do. And obviously it

495
00:28:28,949 --> 00:28:31,789
Speaker 1: was a career pivot he was stepping out of like

496
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:36,189
Speaker 1: you know, he'd done New Year's Eve, Yeah, and he

497
00:28:36,309 --> 00:28:38,589
Speaker 1: needed to go and he done Game. I'm going to

498
00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:42,909
Speaker 1: be a serious actor. Yeah, who should I play? Ted Bundy? Yeah,

499
00:28:42,949 --> 00:28:44,509
Speaker 1: I'm going to play ten and so but we've kind

500
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:47,829
Speaker 1: of the problem is that he was too sexy. Yeah,

501
00:28:47,869 --> 00:28:50,869
Speaker 1: which is that his fault? Maybe? Sorry, speaking of him

502
00:28:50,869 --> 00:28:53,989
Speaker 1: being a serious actor, the wrestling movie Dhan Clare, He's

503
00:28:53,989 --> 00:28:56,549
Speaker 1: gonna win award. Oh, he's so brilliant. He's just so excellent,

504
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:59,709
Speaker 1: a great actor. He'll be Eve and I go, you

505
00:28:59,709 --> 00:29:02,069
Speaker 1: were great then, Yeah, but mark my words, he'll be

506
00:29:02,109 --> 00:29:04,189
Speaker 1: winning an Academy Award in the next few years. Not

507
00:29:04,229 --> 00:29:16,429
Speaker 1: for A Family Affair. Finally, his face. There's a movie

508
00:29:16,429 --> 00:29:18,669
Speaker 1: out on Netflix called A Family Affair. Because I can't

509
00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:23,029
Speaker 1: play a blind alcoholic. It goes against my iconography. My

510
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:25,709
Speaker 1: eyes are too pretty to not be on camera. I

511
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:31,029
Speaker 1: told you we'd see your eyes starring Nicole Kidman, Joey King, Claire.

512
00:29:31,189 --> 00:29:33,469
Speaker 1: Can you please remind the Council courtroom who Joey King

513
00:29:33,549 --> 00:29:41,309
Speaker 1: is the ex girlfriend of JACOBALORDI, Oh, yes, you're gonna

514
00:29:41,309 --> 00:29:45,869
Speaker 1: say Gypsy Ros, Gypsy rows. Yeah, but from the kissing

515
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:48,389
Speaker 1: booth la la lah, they have history. We need to

516
00:29:48,429 --> 00:29:50,909
Speaker 1: do a big mind map of all the connections in

517
00:29:50,949 --> 00:29:55,789
Speaker 1: between them. And of course I watched five minutes and

518
00:29:55,869 --> 00:29:57,989
Speaker 1: Luca made us turn it off. But I have saved

519
00:29:58,029 --> 00:30:00,549
Speaker 1: my place and shall be returning in Brad. Okay. That

520
00:30:00,669 --> 00:30:03,029
Speaker 1: often happens with your partner, doesn't it. You go, yeah, yeah,

521
00:30:03,069 --> 00:30:05,069
Speaker 1: it's terrible. Yeah, we won't and then I'm like you

522
00:30:05,149 --> 00:30:07,349
Speaker 1: go on out. This week, I've got a movie to watch.

523
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:10,669
Speaker 1: The headline about this film which which has a thirty

524
00:30:10,709 --> 00:30:12,829
Speaker 1: nine percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which makes me want

525
00:30:12,829 --> 00:30:15,869
Speaker 1: to say more. Is zach Evron's face right, folks. Zach

526
00:30:15,989 --> 00:30:19,789
Speaker 1: Efron's jaw is making headlines again. It's different. People on

527
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:22,709
Speaker 1: the internet say his face shape has changed considerably. You

528
00:30:22,749 --> 00:30:24,869
Speaker 1: can see in The Iron Claw as well, his jaw

529
00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:27,549
Speaker 1: is more square and his lips appear fuller, and everyone's

530
00:30:27,629 --> 00:30:31,429
Speaker 1: yelling you messed up your face and sharing mean comparisons

531
00:30:31,989 --> 00:30:34,829
Speaker 1: and saying that they feel personally victimized. And it's like,

532
00:30:35,309 --> 00:30:38,869
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you need to go for a walk, okay,

533
00:30:39,149 --> 00:30:41,789
Speaker 1: Dutch some grass touch some is still hot though it's

534
00:30:41,829 --> 00:30:44,589
Speaker 1: still hot in iron Claw. I just think he's okay, yeah, yeah.

535
00:30:44,669 --> 00:30:49,349
Speaker 1: Efron has actually addressed his changing face. He says that

536
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:52,229
Speaker 1: back in twenty thirteen, he was running through his house

537
00:30:52,269 --> 00:30:55,509
Speaker 1: in socks and he tripped and fell on his fountain

538
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:58,069
Speaker 1: because there was a puddle of water. This is a

539
00:30:58,109 --> 00:31:00,949
Speaker 1: court room, so we need to properly prosecute this story.

540
00:31:02,229 --> 00:31:05,989
Speaker 1: I started by googling granite fountain, okay, because I needed

541
00:31:05,989 --> 00:31:08,349
Speaker 1: a visual. This is what came up on Google watches.

542
00:31:08,509 --> 00:31:10,989
Speaker 1: I mean, this is an outdoor fountain, but that's what

543
00:31:10,989 --> 00:31:13,109
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. Was was talking about an indoors

544
00:31:13,109 --> 00:31:15,629
Speaker 1: It's an indoor fountain, and it's indoors at his home. Yes,

545
00:31:15,709 --> 00:31:17,509
Speaker 1: why does he have an indoor found? He has addressed

546
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:18,709
Speaker 1: that and he said it's pretty cool I have an

547
00:31:18,749 --> 00:31:21,109
Speaker 1: indoor found. So he knows that's not the knot, but

548
00:31:21,189 --> 00:31:23,149
Speaker 1: he does have an indoor fountain. But then what I

549
00:31:23,189 --> 00:31:25,349
Speaker 1: did is I tried to find an image of the

550
00:31:25,349 --> 00:31:28,629
Speaker 1: granite fountain inside his house, and I could find his

551
00:31:28,709 --> 00:31:31,029
Speaker 1: house like as in the one that he'd bought or whatever.

552
00:31:31,069 --> 00:31:32,989
Speaker 1: But I think he might have installed the granite fountain

553
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:35,509
Speaker 1: after he purchased it because I couldn't see an image. Okay,

554
00:31:35,829 --> 00:31:40,589
Speaker 1: Now I've got some comments about the fall, specifically the

555
00:31:40,629 --> 00:31:44,389
Speaker 1: socks and the water. I have slipt in my house

556
00:31:44,909 --> 00:31:51,509
Speaker 1: wearing socks on floorboards, on tiles, lots of situations. You know,

557
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:54,629
Speaker 1: a bit of water when you get out of the shower, slip, slip,

558
00:31:55,149 --> 00:32:04,429
Speaker 1: But when you're wearing socks when you step in wet Okay, yes, yes, okay.

559
00:32:04,469 --> 00:32:09,909
Speaker 1: There are two different ways to slip. Yes, one is socks,

560
00:32:10,709 --> 00:32:16,429
Speaker 1: dry floor. The other is no socks, wet floor. That

561
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:19,629
Speaker 1: they are the two ways if it slip on a

562
00:32:19,629 --> 00:32:24,429
Speaker 1: granite fountain. Yeah. And what I'm confused about is if

563
00:32:24,509 --> 00:32:29,349
Speaker 1: you personally have ever slipped on water and socks. Okay,

564
00:32:29,429 --> 00:32:32,269
Speaker 1: what I will say, No, I haven't, but this is

565
00:32:32,309 --> 00:32:34,149
Speaker 1: what I will say. And we've talked about this before.

566
00:32:34,509 --> 00:32:37,469
Speaker 1: When you get an injury, you somehow I hit my

567
00:32:37,469 --> 00:32:40,149
Speaker 1: head the other day like a little while ago, full

568
00:32:40,429 --> 00:32:43,229
Speaker 1: banged my head, huge egg on my head, full bruise.

569
00:32:43,389 --> 00:32:46,549
Speaker 1: I had to call the paramedics whenever you have an

570
00:32:46,589 --> 00:32:49,109
Speaker 1: injury as an adult, and I have to explain how

571
00:32:49,189 --> 00:32:52,029
Speaker 1: it happened. It sounds weird, sounds like a lie. There's

572
00:32:52,069 --> 00:32:55,949
Speaker 1: never a time when what you were doing leading up

573
00:32:55,989 --> 00:32:59,069
Speaker 1: to that to make that makes sense. So me and

574
00:32:59,469 --> 00:33:03,469
Speaker 1: my partner were walking home from dinner. It was five pm. Yeah,

575
00:33:03,829 --> 00:33:06,629
Speaker 1: So the paramedics are like, sorry, you're walking at dinner

576
00:33:06,629 --> 00:33:09,869
Speaker 1: at five pm. Sounds like a lie. We have a baby, right,

577
00:33:09,949 --> 00:33:13,349
Speaker 1: so things are weird. So you had dinner a four yeah, yep.

578
00:33:13,389 --> 00:33:16,989
Speaker 1: And it's like, why were you walking down this street?

579
00:33:17,069 --> 00:33:18,829
Speaker 1: It's not a logical way to walk to our house.

580
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:21,309
Speaker 1: And then I think I had maybe liberty concussion. I

581
00:33:21,309 --> 00:33:23,869
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we were going to Messina all right

582
00:33:24,229 --> 00:33:27,309
Speaker 1: after our four thirty pm dinner, okay, And there's just

583
00:33:27,349 --> 00:33:30,189
Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts like, yeah, why were you

584
00:33:30,949 --> 00:33:33,029
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're covering. Yeah, it sounds like it

585
00:33:33,069 --> 00:33:37,709
Speaker 1: sounds like you've fallen to distract from a drug bust. Yes,

586
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:40,949
Speaker 1: And it's like were you drinking? And it's like it

587
00:33:40,949 --> 00:33:44,589
Speaker 1: does say I should have been drinking. Fair, fair, fair question,

588
00:33:45,109 --> 00:33:48,749
Speaker 1: and no, No, I am just very odd and every

589
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:50,549
Speaker 1: time I've injured myself I've thought that. So in zac

590
00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:53,789
Speaker 1: Efron's defense, the weirder the story, the more I actually

591
00:33:53,789 --> 00:33:56,349
Speaker 1: believe it. Yeah, but I feel like I'm with him

592
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:59,749
Speaker 1: on falling on the granite fountain. Yeah, I just wonder if,

593
00:33:59,829 --> 00:34:03,269
Speaker 1: in order to make it believable, he's gone slippery and

594
00:34:03,309 --> 00:34:05,909
Speaker 1: then he's gone. I'm gonna add some slippery details. But

595
00:34:05,949 --> 00:34:09,029
Speaker 1: the two slippery details, it's like two positives equal and negative.

596
00:34:09,229 --> 00:34:12,029
Speaker 1: I think maybe they're was water. Yeah, he doesn't realize

597
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:14,989
Speaker 1: that's not what he slipped on. What did he slip on?

598
00:34:15,309 --> 00:34:19,269
Speaker 1: Just the normal floor? Okay? Or he actually wasn't wearing socks. Yeah,

599
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:22,669
Speaker 1: he's just got confused. Yeah. Well, he was struck unconscious

600
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:24,789
Speaker 1: and when he woke up, his chin was hanging from

601
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:28,429
Speaker 1: his face, and I googled whether they hitting your chin

602
00:34:28,469 --> 00:34:30,869
Speaker 1: can make you unconscious because I also want more. Does

603
00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:35,109
Speaker 1: that check out? No, definitely it does. Skull bones going up. Yeah,

604
00:34:35,229 --> 00:34:37,629
Speaker 1: he had to have his mouth wide shut and he

605
00:34:37,709 --> 00:34:40,789
Speaker 1: needed lots of stitches as a result of breaking his jaw.

606
00:34:41,189 --> 00:34:45,229
Speaker 1: Zach said that his other facial muscles, namely the master tears,

607
00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:51,109
Speaker 1: which are used for chewing massad mass I'm sorry, what

608
00:34:51,189 --> 00:34:54,509
Speaker 1: was You know? Why? I know it because people talk

609
00:34:54,549 --> 00:34:58,389
Speaker 1: about getting massive botox. Ah, that's the only context is

610
00:34:58,389 --> 00:35:03,149
Speaker 1: that I've seen TikTok videos of people talking about massa grinding.

611
00:35:03,229 --> 00:35:05,189
Speaker 1: It's the muscles that are used for chewing. And the

612
00:35:05,229 --> 00:35:07,829
Speaker 1: reason that people want botox for their grinding is because

613
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:11,189
Speaker 1: it will make your jaw look bigger. So if you

614
00:35:11,229 --> 00:35:13,989
Speaker 1: grind or if you like overuse those muscles, it can

615
00:35:14,109 --> 00:35:18,949
Speaker 1: change the shape of your jaw. And basically what happened

616
00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:21,629
Speaker 1: was because it was wired shut and he was like

617
00:35:21,709 --> 00:35:24,869
Speaker 1: grinding like he had his teeth shut. The idea is

618
00:35:24,909 --> 00:35:28,069
Speaker 1: that it had kind of overcompensated and his massaters grew

619
00:35:28,109 --> 00:35:29,869
Speaker 1: to be really really big, and he was meant to

620
00:35:29,869 --> 00:35:31,709
Speaker 1: be doing physio, but then he had another project he

621
00:35:31,709 --> 00:35:33,309
Speaker 1: had to go and work on, and he didn't do

622
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:36,549
Speaker 1: the physioproperly, and apparently it grew and grew. I googled

623
00:35:36,549 --> 00:35:39,829
Speaker 1: it because I was like, well, can that happen? And yeah,

624
00:35:39,989 --> 00:35:42,869
Speaker 1: it can. So if this is a lie, like a

625
00:35:42,909 --> 00:35:47,589
Speaker 1: PR team has got a doctor involved and asked a

626
00:35:47,629 --> 00:35:49,709
Speaker 1: lot of questions, seems a bit funny to be defending him,

627
00:35:49,709 --> 00:35:53,789
Speaker 1: because women's appearance is always torn apart, and how often

628
00:35:53,789 --> 00:35:56,269
Speaker 1: do we talk about women ruining their faces with plastic

629
00:35:56,309 --> 00:35:59,269
Speaker 1: surgery or whatever. But I do think it is never

630
00:35:59,349 --> 00:36:01,309
Speaker 1: appropriate to say that, and it is sad because it

631
00:36:01,349 --> 00:36:05,429
Speaker 1: was an injury in a family affair. Zac Efron. Actually

632
00:36:05,709 --> 00:36:09,469
Speaker 1: he references his jaw, but I'll tell you there's another story.

633
00:36:10,189 --> 00:36:12,069
Speaker 1: He's saying he fell over on set. No mention of

634
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:19,629
Speaker 1: a granite film. I did, though, really, where that's right here?

635
00:36:20,429 --> 00:36:24,949
Speaker 1: I fell on set? Oh yeah, I see it. It's

636
00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:29,989
Speaker 1: a Brookings. Okay, that's because it's in the script. I

637
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:33,029
Speaker 1: just think that if we're gonna go with our sockshoe

638
00:36:33,069 --> 00:36:37,389
Speaker 1: wet story, provide more details through feeling exactly exactly if

639
00:36:37,389 --> 00:36:39,349
Speaker 1: we're going to provide a detail through film. It felt

640
00:36:39,389 --> 00:36:40,989
Speaker 1: like he had to acknowledge it because people are going

641
00:36:41,029 --> 00:36:42,989
Speaker 1: to talk about the face. And he was like, no,

642
00:36:43,069 --> 00:36:47,149
Speaker 1: I've had an accident. I lost my chin on No. No,

643
00:36:47,469 --> 00:36:49,789
Speaker 1: but he talks about a scar. Yeah, he says he

644
00:36:49,909 --> 00:36:52,229
Speaker 1: nearly died. It was very very serious. It's very traumatic

645
00:36:52,229 --> 00:36:55,269
Speaker 1: for him. We shouldn't be laughing. Stop, Claire. It is

646
00:36:55,309 --> 00:37:04,269
Speaker 1: time for charges and sentences on the socks. We need

647
00:37:04,309 --> 00:37:06,429
Speaker 1: to know how wet, because there's a point at which

648
00:37:06,469 --> 00:37:08,909
Speaker 1: obviously socks are made of fabric, and we know that

649
00:37:08,949 --> 00:37:13,349
Speaker 1: the fabric can cause resistance, which helps us to not

650
00:37:13,509 --> 00:37:18,669
Speaker 1: fall in wet. But were they so wet? Just become foot?

651
00:37:18,789 --> 00:37:22,189
Speaker 1: You've taken a few steps and your sock has soaked through,

652
00:37:22,229 --> 00:37:24,509
Speaker 1: so that your sock is no longer sock in terms

653
00:37:24,549 --> 00:37:28,349
Speaker 1: of purpose. Exactly, there's no friction left. We're just slipping around. Yeah,

654
00:37:28,389 --> 00:37:30,349
Speaker 1: which I can see how you would slip. I have

655
00:37:30,389 --> 00:37:33,269
Speaker 1: another question in regards to this, like we're in a

656
00:37:33,269 --> 00:37:36,669
Speaker 1: court room, you're zac Efron, and I'm just frusting questions.

657
00:37:36,709 --> 00:37:40,669
Speaker 1: It's just my job. Why the wet? Why the wet? Yes,

658
00:37:40,829 --> 00:37:43,069
Speaker 1: so you have a granite fountain. Love that fear it

659
00:37:43,149 --> 00:37:46,229
Speaker 1: was from the fountain? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's her fountain leaking.

660
00:37:46,989 --> 00:37:51,629
Speaker 1: Yeah it's leaking. No, it wasn't leaking. The problem with

661
00:37:51,709 --> 00:37:55,629
Speaker 1: having a fountain inside is that often water does splash

662
00:37:55,909 --> 00:37:58,709
Speaker 1: from the fountain into the outside. Zach Efron, do you

663
00:37:58,789 --> 00:38:01,629
Speaker 1: have a help? Yeah? They were sick that day. I

664
00:38:01,789 --> 00:38:04,309
Speaker 1: just feel as though if I'm zac Efron, I'm not

665
00:38:04,789 --> 00:38:07,349
Speaker 1: mupping up my own floor. I feel as though there's

666
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:09,269
Speaker 1: a guy. Well, I think the surprise you pay for

667
00:38:09,309 --> 00:38:12,429
Speaker 1: having a fountain in doors, it's why I've not done it,

668
00:38:14,029 --> 00:38:17,229
Speaker 1: because I don't want wet. Yeah, there is another feature

669
00:38:17,269 --> 00:38:21,309
Speaker 1: of a lie. Again, I'm just asking questions where we

670
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:24,509
Speaker 1: give a few too many details. Right, he didn't trip

671
00:38:24,509 --> 00:38:27,909
Speaker 1: over a fountain. He tripped over granite fountain. It wasn't

672
00:38:28,029 --> 00:38:32,389
Speaker 1: just any socks. It was wet. That's also those details,

673
00:38:32,629 --> 00:38:35,149
Speaker 1: the details that you think is that relevant, also a

674
00:38:35,149 --> 00:38:40,269
Speaker 1: feature of the truth. That's interesting, interesting, but a strange.

675
00:38:40,749 --> 00:38:43,829
Speaker 1: It's like when I'm lying about why I'm sick from whack,

676
00:38:45,029 --> 00:38:48,189
Speaker 1: I'm taking a photo of my vomit, right, Like, I'm

677
00:38:48,429 --> 00:38:52,189
Speaker 1: really over providing on evidence. And I just wonder if

678
00:38:52,229 --> 00:38:55,309
Speaker 1: he had truly fallen, would he say I sipped at

679
00:38:55,309 --> 00:38:58,069
Speaker 1: home it was an injury. I'd like a picture of

680
00:38:58,109 --> 00:38:59,909
Speaker 1: the granite fountain, okay, and I'd like to know where

681
00:38:59,909 --> 00:39:01,509
Speaker 1: it happened. I don't know. I feel like if you

682
00:39:01,509 --> 00:39:03,389
Speaker 1: were chatting to a friend about how you injured yourself,

683
00:39:03,429 --> 00:39:07,109
Speaker 1: sometimes you do provide just a few details. Yeah, okay,

684
00:39:07,269 --> 00:39:10,109
Speaker 1: so you believe me? Yeah, I think I believe him to.

685
00:39:10,229 --> 00:39:12,549
Speaker 1: And what's that saying truth is stranger than fiction. Oh

686
00:39:12,629 --> 00:39:16,509
Speaker 1: wow that in the Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, weird of

687
00:39:16,589 --> 00:39:19,549
Speaker 1: the story, the more true. I'm going to go first

688
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:21,389
Speaker 1: in the charge. I need to talk about New Year's Eve.

689
00:39:22,229 --> 00:39:25,429
Speaker 1: I saw that because he was in it, and that

690
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:29,029
Speaker 1: was one hour and fifty three minutes of my life

691
00:39:29,069 --> 00:39:32,349
Speaker 1: I'm not getting back. And storylines that don't involve him

692
00:39:32,549 --> 00:39:35,829
Speaker 1: so many Yes, it's like I'm just over here. What

693
00:39:35,909 --> 00:39:38,509
Speaker 1: was his watching Bloody Robert de Niro? If ione to

694
00:39:38,509 --> 00:39:44,309
Speaker 1: watching Robert de Niro film, I'd watch literally any other one. Yeah,

695
00:39:44,589 --> 00:39:46,429
Speaker 1: I need to watch him in New Year's Eve? What

696
00:39:46,989 --> 00:39:49,229
Speaker 1: is zac Efron's storyline in that? I think he's pursuing

697
00:39:49,229 --> 00:39:51,869
Speaker 1: Michelle Pfeiffer older woman, and she's like, I'm older than you.

698
00:39:52,549 --> 00:39:56,949
Speaker 1: That's kind of hot. It took too long to get

699
00:39:56,949 --> 00:40:00,109
Speaker 1: to the dancing scene as established, And there's actually another

700
00:40:00,629 --> 00:40:03,829
Speaker 1: crime which breaks the rules of court because you shouldn't

701
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:07,069
Speaker 1: bring up new evidence in the ruling. Or maybe that's debating,

702
00:40:07,909 --> 00:40:10,709
Speaker 1: can't be clear. Yeah, remember a few years ago he

703
00:40:10,749 --> 00:40:13,149
Speaker 1: came to Australia and he started dating a girl in

704
00:40:13,229 --> 00:40:16,389
Speaker 1: Byron Bay. Yeah, I could draw a photo of her

705
00:40:16,709 --> 00:40:21,749
Speaker 1: from memory. That pissed me off, okay, because it was like, well,

706
00:40:22,189 --> 00:40:27,029
Speaker 1: now maybe you are within reach, Like you're literally just

707
00:40:27,069 --> 00:40:30,069
Speaker 1: over the plane trip, cheeky ten hour drive from where

708
00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:33,109
Speaker 1: I'm sitting right now to zac Efron, and like I

709
00:40:33,149 --> 00:40:35,349
Speaker 1: know the cafe where she was working that she met him,

710
00:40:35,389 --> 00:40:36,909
Speaker 1: and it was like I could have been at that cafe.

711
00:40:37,229 --> 00:40:40,709
Speaker 1: I could have worked there. Yeah, so we're dating Australians now, Yeah,

712
00:40:40,909 --> 00:40:43,229
Speaker 1: could have let me know and then within ten years

713
00:40:43,229 --> 00:40:46,669
Speaker 1: of my age. And then I thought, so, if we

714
00:40:46,669 --> 00:40:50,429
Speaker 1: were open to dating everyday goals, yeah, how about when

715
00:40:50,469 --> 00:40:54,349
Speaker 1: I met you? Yeah? And why didn't we flag that

716
00:40:54,989 --> 00:40:57,149
Speaker 1: m so that a few of us could get a shot? Good?

717
00:40:57,309 --> 00:40:59,829
Speaker 1: Because it nearly ruined my relationship with my husband, the

718
00:40:59,829 --> 00:41:03,869
Speaker 1: father of my child. It did, Yeah, because I went,

719
00:41:04,229 --> 00:41:06,629
Speaker 1: all right, there's a chance that the man from high school,

720
00:41:06,709 --> 00:41:09,629
Speaker 1: musical man in bad neighbors, who I think is a

721
00:41:09,669 --> 00:41:12,229
Speaker 1: real laugh and does a sexy dance in Newar's Eve,

722
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:15,309
Speaker 1: he's just over there. It's just picking up girls, just

723
00:41:15,309 --> 00:41:17,709
Speaker 1: looking for love. He could dance just for me, and

724
00:41:17,749 --> 00:41:24,029
Speaker 1: he likes the Australian accent. Apparently that relationship did end.

725
00:41:23,709 --> 00:41:29,629
Speaker 1: It didn't end because she wasn't right, because you're right. Okay, yes,

726
00:41:29,709 --> 00:41:33,549
Speaker 1: but he was getting warmer. My sentence is I'll forgive

727
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:36,189
Speaker 1: any film if he dances at the end. And that's

728
00:41:36,189 --> 00:41:38,149
Speaker 1: what I learned from New Year's Eve, which brings me

729
00:41:38,229 --> 00:41:41,309
Speaker 1: to Ted Bundy. Oh he needed a little there was

730
00:41:41,309 --> 00:41:46,029
Speaker 1: a film missing a dance, or if a dance feels inappropriate,

731
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:51,269
Speaker 1: the film's not for you, Zach said, Well said, so

732
00:41:51,309 --> 00:41:54,429
Speaker 1: maybe that's a good test, litmus test. Ted Bundy isn't

733
00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:57,349
Speaker 1: playing to your strengths. Look, I don't condone anything Ted

734
00:41:57,349 --> 00:42:00,469
Speaker 1: Bundy did bad guy. I'm on the record of saying that.

735
00:42:00,549 --> 00:42:03,349
Speaker 1: But Zac Efron dancing, even as Ted Bundy ould have

736
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:05,349
Speaker 1: watched it, Okay, and I wouldn't mind. Just as the

737
00:42:05,389 --> 00:42:08,909
Speaker 1: credits roll. It made sense in the wrestling movie for

738
00:42:08,989 --> 00:42:10,829
Speaker 1: him to do a dance. It could make sense for

739
00:42:10,829 --> 00:42:13,909
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy to do a little hip hop. Okay, do

740
00:42:13,949 --> 00:42:17,789
Speaker 1: a breakdance. That's fine. Old Wait, Claire, what's your charge?

741
00:42:17,949 --> 00:42:22,749
Speaker 1: My charge is doing things that aren't playing to his

742
00:42:22,789 --> 00:42:26,429
Speaker 1: strengths slash talents. Okay, so when we take on a roll,

743
00:42:26,669 --> 00:42:31,189
Speaker 1: yeah that isn't you're a triple threat mate, singing, dancing, acting, yeah, yeah,

744
00:42:31,229 --> 00:42:34,429
Speaker 1: an your faith and your face for your quadruple threat. Yeah,

745
00:42:34,989 --> 00:42:39,669
Speaker 1: and so I want things that really play to that. So,

746
00:42:39,789 --> 00:42:42,669
Speaker 1: for example, wrestling movie, I exclusively refer to it as

747
00:42:42,709 --> 00:42:44,509
Speaker 1: wrestling movie. Yeah. I don't know the name. It's called

748
00:42:44,509 --> 00:42:47,269
Speaker 1: the Iron Claw. It was so good. Same of the

749
00:42:47,309 --> 00:42:49,109
Speaker 1: Greatest Showman. I think that that was some of zach

750
00:42:49,149 --> 00:42:54,309
Speaker 1: Efronidy's best because he could triple threat Yeah, singing, dancing, kissing, yeah, zendaat,

751
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:56,749
Speaker 1: et cetera. There wasn't enough singing dancing in ted Bundy.

752
00:42:57,309 --> 00:42:59,509
Speaker 1: And another way that he's not playing to his strengths.

753
00:42:59,549 --> 00:43:02,789
Speaker 1: It's when all these drugs and alcohol and homeless man

754
00:43:02,869 --> 00:43:07,029
Speaker 1: encounter boys stop that. No, that's not playing to your strengths. Well,

755
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:09,229
Speaker 1: he had a moment he said, I've learnt from it.

756
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:11,549
Speaker 1: Yeah that was ten years ago. Well, I'm glad he's

757
00:43:11,549 --> 00:43:13,709
Speaker 1: off the drugs now so we can focus more on

758
00:43:14,429 --> 00:43:18,909
Speaker 1: his skills. Yes, well, no sentence. Zach Efron needs a

759
00:43:18,949 --> 00:43:22,349
Speaker 1: TikTok where he dances. I don't understand why his people

760
00:43:22,389 --> 00:43:26,989
Speaker 1: haven't set that up. Yeah, genuinely quit everything else, mate

761
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:30,749
Speaker 1: and just dance on TikTok. Should he do like a

762
00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:35,149
Speaker 1: jojo si wakama? No, because I get the ick. That

763
00:43:35,189 --> 00:43:38,069
Speaker 1: would be ikey Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But just

764
00:43:38,789 --> 00:43:42,789
Speaker 1: I want more dance, access to more dancing. I think

765
00:43:42,789 --> 00:43:44,389
Speaker 1: he's trying to move away from that is a sense

766
00:43:44,389 --> 00:43:47,389
Speaker 1: I get from the Iron Clare. Oh yeah, it'd be

767
00:43:47,429 --> 00:43:50,349
Speaker 1: taken seriously. Yeah yeah yeah, him and Timothy Shall and

768
00:43:50,389 --> 00:43:53,589
Speaker 1: I could do a dance together. Oh anyway, So I

769
00:43:53,629 --> 00:43:56,349
Speaker 1: need more dancing, and TikTok is a lovely accessible way

770
00:43:56,389 --> 00:43:58,829
Speaker 1: for me to get it. I love that. Thank you

771
00:43:58,869 --> 00:44:01,549
Speaker 1: so much for joining us on this episode of Canceled.

772
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:05,549
Speaker 1: The executive producer of Canceled is Telisibezazz, with audio editing

773
00:44:05,949 --> 00:44:09,269
Speaker 1: by Tom Lyon. We are gonna post on the pictures

774
00:44:09,509 --> 00:44:11,429
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy. He looks like a picture of a granite

775
00:44:11,429 --> 00:44:14,069
Speaker 1: fountain that now exists in my phone and that video

776
00:44:14,389 --> 00:44:17,269
Speaker 1: of him duncing at the end of m Onto. The

777
00:44:17,309 --> 00:44:19,429
Speaker 1: Twins underscore thoughts on Instagram and if you have a

778
00:44:19,509 --> 00:44:22,869
Speaker 1: lazy girl story then please send it through to podcasts

779
00:44:22,869 --> 00:44:26,109
Speaker 1: at mommeya dot com dot au. We will be back

780
00:44:26,189 --> 00:44:33,189
Speaker 1: next week. Bye bye before we go. If you are

781
00:44:33,269 --> 00:44:35,709
Speaker 1: looking for something else to listen to, then I have

782
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:40,949
Speaker 1: fantastic news because someone I know, Claire Spoiler it's you

783
00:44:41,709 --> 00:44:46,109
Speaker 1: just did a whole season of a chart topping podcast

784
00:44:46,149 --> 00:44:48,949
Speaker 1: called but are You Happy? All the episodes are now

785
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:51,269
Speaker 1: available and you can go and listen to them. Claire,

786
00:44:51,269 --> 00:44:53,109
Speaker 1: what are some of the highlights from the season you've

787
00:44:53,149 --> 00:44:55,509
Speaker 1: just done. It's weird that you're not taking the piss

788
00:44:55,509 --> 00:44:57,589
Speaker 1: out of me, So it's just an awkward dynamic right now.

789
00:44:57,709 --> 00:45:00,549
Speaker 1: But some of the people I've interviewed for this season

790
00:45:00,789 --> 00:45:07,069
Speaker 1: are media personality Laura Burt, musical theater star Rob Mills,

791
00:45:07,869 --> 00:45:13,189
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalist around Tipness, comedian Josh Thomas. We've got

792
00:45:13,269 --> 00:45:16,469
Speaker 1: Brooke Blurton. We've got actress and Gowerie Rice, who was

793
00:45:16,509 --> 00:45:20,949
Speaker 1: in Mean Girls. And there are just so many fascinating

794
00:45:20,949 --> 00:45:25,589
Speaker 1: conversations on this season about what happens when you get

795
00:45:25,669 --> 00:45:30,069
Speaker 1: everything that you want and how it doesn't feel how

796
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:34,189
Speaker 1: you would think it feels. We talk about people who

797
00:45:34,229 --> 00:45:38,029
Speaker 1: would trade what they have in terms of success for

798
00:45:38,149 --> 00:45:40,629
Speaker 1: something else that they feel is missing in their lives.

799
00:45:40,669 --> 00:45:45,509
Speaker 1: We talk about jealousy, regret, me mental health, mental health,

800
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:48,469
Speaker 1: and it's a season that I think everyone will find

801
00:45:48,549 --> 00:45:52,429
Speaker 1: something that resonates with them. You haven't referenced the biggest

802
00:45:52,509 --> 00:45:54,509
Speaker 1: endorsement of this season, I said, chart topping. I think

803
00:45:54,509 --> 00:45:56,629
Speaker 1: Apple chose it as one of their best podcasts last year.

804
00:45:56,709 --> 00:45:59,909
Speaker 1: But that means nothing in comparison to the endorsement You've Got,

805
00:46:00,309 --> 00:46:03,149
Speaker 1: which was from one Ann Stevens, who did share the

806
00:46:03,189 --> 00:46:09,469
Speaker 1: Rob Mills episode, just with the two words he's gorgeous. Okay, okay,

807
00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:11,909
Speaker 1: she's got the huts for Rob Mills. Yeah she does,

808
00:46:11,949 --> 00:46:15,069
Speaker 1: which is like, I mean, I ambushed him and he

809
00:46:15,229 --> 00:46:18,109
Speaker 1: came in, and I think there was an ambush. Yes,

810
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:21,589
Speaker 1: not appropriate. I yelled, you're my husband, yeah, which isn't

811
00:46:21,629 --> 00:46:25,069
Speaker 1: he's engaged, you shouldn't. Yeah. The last season, your Bloody

812
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:27,509
Speaker 1: interviewed his fiance. So it's just all getting very awkward.

813
00:46:27,549 --> 00:46:30,189
Speaker 1: If you want to hear that awkwardness Claire blowing up

814
00:46:30,229 --> 00:46:33,229
Speaker 1: a future marriage, then listen to the later season of

815
00:46:33,269 --> 00:46:35,509
Speaker 1: But Are You Happy. There is a link in the show.

816
00:46:35,549 --> 00:46:35,789
Speaker 1: Note