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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma mea podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 1: This is MMA MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 2: What motivates you?

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Speaker 1: Money, fame, power, revenge, happiness, What about death? Motivation looks

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Speaker 1: a lot different in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Before we get there.

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Speaker 1: Here's Clare Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom

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Speaker 1: for Monday, November seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor, Liberal leader Susan Lee and National's counterpart David

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Speaker 3: Little Proud outline the coalition's new energy policy yesterday, focusing

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Speaker 3: on affordability rather than emission's reductions. Shifting away from renewable

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Speaker 3: energy by keeping coal plants open and underwriting energy investments

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Speaker 3: including coal and gas with taxpayer funds are key planks

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Speaker 3: of the coalition's policy after dumping a net zero missions target.

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Speaker 3: The energy policy shift comes as new opinion polling shows

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Speaker 3: coalition supporters jumping ship to Nation and labor, and Miss

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Speaker 3: Lee's popularity plummeting to a record low. The Coalition still

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Speaker 3: sought to reduce carbon emissions, but not at the expense

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Speaker 3: of family or business budgets. According to the US House

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Speaker 3: of Representative Speaker Mike Johnson, the approaching vote on releasing

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Speaker 3: files related to Jeffrey Epstein should help put to rest

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Speaker 3: allegations that President Donald Trump had any connection to the

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Speaker 3: late sex offenders abuse and trafficking of underage girls. Johnson

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Speaker 3: told Fox News that the Democrats are doing this to

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Speaker 3: go after President Trump on the theory that he has

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Speaker 3: something to do with it.

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Speaker 2: He does not.

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Speaker 3: He says, Epstein is their entire game plan. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to take that weapon out of their hands, saying,

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Speaker 3: let's just get this done and move it on. There's

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Speaker 3: nothing to hide. Though Trump and Epstein were photographed together

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Speaker 3: decades ago, the president has said the two men fell

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Speaker 3: out prior to Epstein's convictions. Emails released late last week

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Speaker 3: by a House committee showed Epstein believe Trump knew about

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Speaker 3: the girls, though it was not clear what that phrase meant.

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Speaker 3: Trump has since instructed the Department of Justice to investigate

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Speaker 3: prominent Democrat ties to Epstein. The battle over disclosure of

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Speaker 3: more Epstein related documents, a subject Trump himself campaigned on,

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Speaker 3: has opened a rift with some of his allies in Congress.

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Speaker 3: The president late on Friday withdrew his support for US

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Speaker 3: Representative Marjorie Taylor Green of Georgia, long one of his

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Speaker 3: staunchest supporters in Congress, following her criticism of Republicans on

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Speaker 3: certain issues, including the handling of the Epstein files Paris.

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Speaker 3: Hilton has told The Times newspaper in an interview that

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Speaker 3: she is self made and that no one has ever

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Speaker 3: given her anything in her entire life. Hilton, whose parents

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Speaker 3: have a combined net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars,

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Speaker 3: says she's proud of what she's achieved with her company,

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Speaker 3: which employs twenty five people and is said to be

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Speaker 3: worth US one billion dollars, telling The Times, I'm self made,

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Speaker 3: like I've done this all on my own. Hilton also

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Speaker 3: told the paper she's now obsessed with longevity and is

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Speaker 3: planning a wellness and longevity center in her home that

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Speaker 3: will be like no spy you've ever seen in the world,

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Speaker 3: saying the whole room's going to be pink with crystals,

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Speaker 3: and it's just going to look like you're walking into

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Speaker 3: another like a different planet almost where it's just like

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Speaker 3: this fantastical, high tech, futuristic place. She says she's heard

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Speaker 3: her friend's say it's possible to now live to one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty or one hundred and sixty years old.

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift is flying to London to shoot her next

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Speaker 3: music video. The thirty five year old US singer will

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Speaker 3: reportedly be in the UK next week to work on

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Speaker 3: a promo for her The Life of a Showgirl track

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Speaker 3: late actress by honoring her early life in the city.

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Speaker 3: Dame Elizabeth, who died in twenty eleven age seventy nine,

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Speaker 3: was born in Hampstead, North London. Her childhood home has

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Speaker 3: before her family moved to la when she was seven.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Clan.

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Speaker 1: Next, what actually motivates people and how does death, yes,

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Speaker 1: death into the picture.

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Speaker 2: It's that time of year.

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Speaker 1: We're all exhausted, dreaming of end of year breaks and

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Speaker 1: maybe needing a mental reset to keep going until summer.

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Speaker 1: But if hacking your morning routine or bucket loose aren't

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Speaker 1: cutting it. Welcome to the latest pop psychology trend. Being

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Speaker 1: motivated by the fact that life, well, it ends. It

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Speaker 1: sounds on, but motivation gurus, psychologists, and even comedians say

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Speaker 1: thinking about death can clarify what matters most. It can

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Speaker 4: Death is a constant reminder that actually we do have

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Speaker 4: an end to this chapter on earth as we know it,

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Speaker 4: and with humans, you know, our brains work in really

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Speaker 4: amazing ways. We know that death occurs, We know that

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Speaker 4: death touches people. We know that fundamentally humans all day,

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Speaker 4: motivator because it gains when we understand our time is

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Speaker 4: can be utterly paralyzing because big existential questions come. You

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Speaker 2: That's psychologist Carli Dover.

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Speaker 1: She says, when it comes to motivation, it's really dealer's choice.

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Speaker 4: Motivations are used because our brains really like ticking off

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Speaker 4: people can harness that, you know, that's really really good.

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Speaker 4: For others though, who might be neurodivergent or might have

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Speaker 1: Clinical psychologist Urban Yellam argue that confronting our mortality can

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Speaker 1: lead to more authentic living, aligning our goals with values,

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Speaker 1: and skipping the trivia. Mamma Mere Associate editor m Vernham

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Speaker 1: has been looking into motivation herself after reading through others

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Speaker 1: tools of motivation. There's one that stuck with her death

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Speaker 1: coil is in fact limited is intense motivation For others, well,

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Speaker 1: it's a full blown panic attack now, whether you choose

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Speaker 2: Your head in the sand about it or are so well.

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Speaker 1: Prepared, it had put even the most organized of us

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Speaker 2: M Vernum is with us now.

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Speaker 1: And this whole spiral started with an exploration into motivational advice.

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Speaker 1: There was one particular piece of advice though, that's really

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me about it?

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Speaker 5: It's actually so ironic because I had to actually get

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Speaker 5: and a lot of it was quite good, but there

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Speaker 5: said the only two things that motivate me is death

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Speaker 5: oh my god, surely this is a meme, like, surely

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Speaker 5: it to my co hosts for the Mummy out Loud

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Speaker 5: the ultimate motivator. And it made us all realize that

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Speaker 5: those of us like myself, who avoid thinking about death

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Speaker 1: Why do you think death motivates people?

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Speaker 5: I think I mean, my co host Holly says that

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Speaker 5: But it's just something that just makes like does I

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Speaker 1: You actually went really deep on this one, so I

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Speaker 1: know that you want to bury your head in the

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Speaker 1: me about the charts that you've uncovered.

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Speaker 5: So there's these things called four K charts, and they're

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Speaker 5: beautifully graphically designed charts, but basically it gives you your

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Speaker 5: timeline of how many weeks approximately an average person will

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Speaker 5: have in their life, and each week is shown by

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Speaker 5: depending on what your age is, they color in every

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Speaker 5: And a lot of people buy these charts and they

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Speaker 5: put it up in their bedroom or their bathroom or

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Speaker 5: I think that is meant to be a motivator, of

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Speaker 5: an indicator of what you've realized you've done the previous week,

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Speaker 5: and while you're coloring it in, it's meant to motivate

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Speaker 5: like actually show like your whole life is just in

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Speaker 5: this little box for the week. I didn't even get

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Speaker 5: and that was just too much for me to handle.

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Speaker 1: So you didn't purchase one of these charts.

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Speaker 5: Then, absolutely not. I don't even know what my chart

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Speaker 5: I have one thy five hundred weeks and I have

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Speaker 2: So then, m if not death, what does motivate you?

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Speaker 1: For the record, I don't think death motivates me, but

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Speaker 1: as the kids would say, absolute nightmare. Fuel for this

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Speaker 1: news junkie. So I guess that's my motivator. Tell us

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Speaker 2: The Quiki is.

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Speaker 1: Produced by me Taylor Estrano, Laria Brophy, and Clare Murphy,

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Speaker 1: with audio production by lou Hill.

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Speaker 3: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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